**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 31 02:59:57 2009 Jul 31 05:39:41 PaulFertser, ping Jul 31 05:42:00 mrmoku: pong Jul 31 05:42:11 PaulFertser, having a style question for you :) Jul 31 05:42:21 I fixed the Makefile as you pointed out Jul 31 05:42:28 moved the warning to setup Jul 31 05:42:39 now I want to give you credit while comitting Jul 31 05:42:45 what is the correct way? Jul 31 05:42:51 Signed-Of-By ? Jul 31 05:42:58 mrmoku: no Jul 31 05:43:30 mrmoku: SOB means that you know where the code comes from. Jul 31 05:43:40 yep Jul 31 05:43:48 mrmoku: for stuff like this it's usually Reported-By Jul 31 05:43:57 ahh, ok :) Jul 31 05:44:34 mrmoku: btw, i'm still unable to build. You know i'm stubborn enough to not find easy routes so i didn't delete tmp therefore i'm now having glibc build problems. Jul 31 05:44:39 :D Jul 31 05:44:55 Oh, glibc build but gcc-cross didn't Jul 31 05:45:04 SHR: 03mok 07shr-makefile * r7f98826f515c 10/Makefile: Makefile: fix warning about bitbake from SVN Jul 31 05:45:14 PaulFertser, hmmm Jul 31 05:45:25 mrmoku: ha, Jul 31 05:45:33 mrmoku: that's because i ran out if disk space again Jul 31 05:45:37 :) Jul 31 05:45:38 hehe Jul 31 05:45:58 OE build trees eat disk space, yeah Jul 31 05:46:04 mrmoku: but first my problems were clearly to the old files in tmp. I solved them by removing all gcc* and glibc* stamps. Jul 31 05:47:05 PaulFertser, http://pastebin.com/d6e9bb64d Jul 31 05:47:10 what do you think about that? Jul 31 05:47:31 ahh, well the other way round Jul 31 05:47:40 + is our gsmhandset.state Jul 31 05:47:44 - is the one from qtmoko Jul 31 05:50:03 mrmoku: according to Joerg Mic sidetone mux should be Mic 2. Jul 31 05:50:16 yep, thats what we have Jul 31 05:50:33 but some people report to have excellent sound quality with the qtmoko one Jul 31 05:50:50 guess it comes back to the two different cap versions Jul 31 05:51:24 PaulFertser, OE is a beast when it comes to caching stuff in some way Jul 31 05:51:36 anyway... have to run into the office now Jul 31 05:51:39 bbl Jul 31 05:52:12 mrmoku|away: "speaker playback volume" depends on device, should be tweaked individually. Jul 31 05:54:39 mrmoku|away: mono playback volume affects loudness of the signal that the modem gets from the microphone. There should be a specific individual reason to lower it. Jul 31 06:05:37 mrmoku|away: btw, i had a problem with shr branch too. Jul 31 06:06:46 mrmoku|away: as i did "make update" it tried to git checkout ${SHR_TESTING_BRANCH_OE} and obviously it wasn't available as i did "make setup" long time ago. Jul 31 06:23:00 morning Jul 31 06:26:26 PaulFertser: /usr/share/shr/scenarii/ ? so the ones in /usr/share/openmoko/ that pymixer.py tweaks aren't used in shr? Jul 31 06:28:30 blindcoder: right :) Jul 31 06:30:41 * blindcoder grumbles something about things being explained Jul 31 06:31:04 okay, then I'll go tweak stuff there now Jul 31 07:15:04 mrmoku|away: looks like buzzfixed FR overloads calypso sound input so yes, quite possibly lowering "Mono Playback Volume" worth doing. Jul 31 07:17:18 is the smartphone-list down or something.. tried sending an email.. Got an unroutable address..(Tried sending an email to the list with the error message.. :/) Jul 31 07:20:26 PaulFertser: would that also explain 'choppy' sound at the receiving end? Jul 31 07:23:42 blindcoder: sure, overloaded mic doesn't sound too good to anybody. Jul 31 07:23:57 blindcoder: if it was a guitar, it'd probably make sense. Jul 31 07:24:30 PaulFertser: I have now reduced Mono Playback Volume to 95, anything below that will get me no sound at the receiving end as well, but people still complain about choppiness Jul 31 07:24:47 s/as well/at all/ Jul 31 07:24:47 blindcoder meant: PaulFertser: I have now reduced Mono Playback Volume to 95, anything below that will get me no sound at the receiving end at all, but people still complain about choppiness Jul 31 07:25:39 blindcoder: check other controls in the mic path Jul 31 07:26:34 blindcoder: Mic2 capture volume, Mic sidetone mux, Mono Sidetone playback volume. Jul 31 07:28:39 PaulFertser: I'll try a bit with them Jul 31 07:29:00 blindcoder: here's the proper path: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA/doc/WM8753_control_diag_gsmhandset_mic_std.png Jul 31 07:29:56 PaulFertser: I'm not much of a hardware guy, so sadly I can't read that image :( Jul 31 07:30:06 blindcoder: no Jul 31 07:30:08 blindcoder: you can Jul 31 07:30:19 blindcoder: it's not about hardware or special abilities. Jul 31 07:30:45 blindcoder: you look at that image and at diagram with alsa control names printed over it from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem Jul 31 07:31:16 PaulFertser: ahh Jul 31 07:31:27 PaulFertser: guess I've missed that image last time I checked... Jul 31 07:31:28 blindcoder: triangle with an arrow means "amplifier" -- something you can tweak the gain of. Mux is kind of switch... Jul 31 07:31:58 PaulFertser: alright, I'll be back later :-) Jul 31 07:32:06 blindcoder: come with success report! Jul 31 07:32:09 I hope so :) Jul 31 07:38:13 morning Jul 31 07:41:44 hmm, interesting. I hear what I say on the FR, but not on the receiving phone Jul 31 07:42:49 but that might just be the microphone on the receiving phone Jul 31 07:53:56 hmm, it feels like the recording stops just a bit before I'm done speaking Jul 31 07:54:46 as if the signal is still traveling through the cuircuits but the microphone already signals 'stop' to the gsm Jul 31 07:55:06 blindcoder: :))) Jul 31 07:55:39 blindcoder: what do you mean by "recording"? Jul 31 07:56:04 PaulFertser: I'm currently testing by calling a landline (well, voip) phone sitting next to me Jul 31 07:56:31 PaulFertser: and what I'm saying into the FR is arriving at the voip phone, but a little bit of what I'm saying is missing at the end of my sentences. Jul 31 07:56:56 blindcoder: probably some automatic echo cancellation / noise gate kicks in. Jul 31 07:57:14 PaulFertser: and it feels like the microphone in the FR stops recording when I'm almost done speaking, the last syllable is missing. Jul 31 07:59:00 blindcoder: try to adjust mic volume... Jul 31 07:59:15 name 'Mic2 Capture Volume' Jul 31 07:59:16 ? Jul 31 08:00:03 blindcoder: well, this one too Jul 31 08:03:37 hmm, this seems to work out the best so far Jul 31 08:04:04 PaulFertser: http://pastebin.com/dcddec1d Jul 31 08:08:16 blindcoder: so? :) Jul 31 08:09:14 PaulFertser: so far, that's the best setting I found, lowering Mono Sidetone Playback Volume but rising Mono Playback Volume by 5 per 1 lowered gives quite good results here Jul 31 08:09:31 PaulFertser: at least I no longer sound like I'm calling from outer space ;) Jul 31 08:12:32 blindcoder: interesting info, please discuss that with DocScrutinizer too. Jul 31 08:12:43 PaulFertser: will do Jul 31 08:12:56 SOMEONE MENTIONED MY NAME???? Jul 31 08:12:59 WAAAH Jul 31 08:13:08 blindcoder: are you sure you have mic sidetone mux set to "Mic2" and not "PGA"? Jul 31 08:13:32 PaulFertser: yes Jul 31 08:13:37 value 'Mic 2' Jul 31 08:13:39 DocScrutinizer: morning :D Jul 31 08:14:16 morning Paul :-) Jul 31 08:16:09 blindcoder: that's noisegate of calypso - AT%Nxxxx Jul 31 08:17:35 DocScrutinizer: I did add 'devchannel.enqueue( "%N0187" )' to unsolicited.py Jul 31 08:17:37 the efect is it cuts out completely the low volume parts of audio (making silent parts even more silent). Is this what you observe? Jul 31 08:17:50 DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's exactly it Jul 31 08:18:11 blindcoder: bzzzz, dn't edit FSO-src!!! Jul 31 08:18:19 DocScrutinizer: interesting thing is that for him "lowering Mono Sidetone Playback Volume but rising Mono Playback Volume by 5 per 1 lowered gives quite good results" Jul 31 08:18:27 DocScrutinizer: but... but... the Tweaks said I should... *snif* Jul 31 08:18:42 blindcoder: it's already done for you by default since like january. Jul 31 08:18:49 PaulFertser: oh... Jul 31 08:18:56 * blindcoder goes undoing things Jul 31 08:19:01 blindcoder: kickass the "tweaks". Obviously they are hoax ;-) Jul 31 08:20:13 * DocScrutinizer summons his bat army (migrants from the much missed famous Dave) to bomb "tweaks" Jul 31 08:20:20 DocScrutinizer: okay, I removed those lines and restarted frameworkd Jul 31 08:20:56 blindcoder: you should at least powercycle GSM to truely reset modem's DSP Jul 31 08:21:13 DocScrutinizer: okay, I'll just do an init 6 then to be sure ;) Jul 31 08:21:28 should suffice Jul 31 08:21:58 blindcoder: edit this fsckng "tweaks" meanwhile please! Jul 31 08:23:11 blindcoder: "DEPRECATED, OBSOLETE! Greets from Doc" ;-) Jul 31 08:23:22 DocScrutinizer: will do once registration is through Jul 31 08:23:31 DocScrutinizer: anything else to remove? Jul 31 08:23:47 did you add other crap? ;-) Jul 31 08:24:01 DocScrutinizer: hey, I'm not even registered to trac yet :P Jul 31 08:24:30 aaah, from tweaks. No idea Jul 31 08:24:33 URL? Jul 31 08:24:37 http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks Jul 31 08:25:56 hmm, I'd say mark the whole page as adviced above ;-] Jul 31 08:26:06 hehe Jul 31 08:26:27 DocScrutinizer: actually, the speedup of suspend and wakeup (running klogd -c 1) worked nicely Jul 31 08:26:52 DocScrutinizer: ssh over wlan is something to debate, but should really only be done after setting a root password Jul 31 08:26:57 blindcoder: hm, interesting idea. What's the speed now then? Jul 31 08:27:08 Once I read this page, I found 50% incorrect from beginning, 50% obsolete on creation time, and 100% not verified Jul 31 08:27:43 PaulFertser: saves a second or two on incoming call Jul 31 08:28:05 lowering loglevel is an old story. Still the tip is ok and won't harm probably Jul 31 08:28:16 blindcoder: does it simply prevent logging kernel events to the filesystem? Jul 31 08:28:23 PaulFertser: to the console, actually Jul 31 08:28:27 nah... not the whole page please ;) Jul 31 08:28:31 blindcoder: why do you have anything on console? Jul 31 08:28:56 PaulFertser: err.. no idea? I can give you the bootcmd I'm using in a minute Jul 31 08:29:01 blindcoder: don't you use loglevel=4 (default in Qi) ? Jul 31 08:29:22 PaulFertser: I'm not using Qi but uBoot Jul 31 08:29:35 PaulFertser: usually average mortals tend to use uBoot still ;-) Jul 31 08:29:36 blindcoder: so just stuff loglevel=4 to the default command line then. Jul 31 08:29:41 didn't feel a need to change the bootloader Jul 31 08:29:59 blindcoder: depends Jul 31 08:30:04 blindcoder, I also didn't feel a need Jul 31 08:30:08 but after I changed Jul 31 08:30:10 .. :) Jul 31 08:30:18 bootcmd=setenv bootargs console=ttySAC2,115200 loglevel=1 quiet splash rootfstype=ext3 root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 rootdelay=5 ${mtdparts} rw; mmcinit; fatload mmc 1 0x32000000 uImage.fso.bin; bootm 0x32000000 Jul 31 08:30:20 I can't even consider going back. Jul 31 08:30:46 duh, loglevel=1 Jul 31 08:30:50 PaulFertser: I guess I added the klogd -c 1 before loglevel=1 quiet Jul 31 08:31:28 * blindcoder .oO( didn't quiet set the loglevel anyway? ) Jul 31 08:31:40 been a while since I actually fiddled with kernel parameters Jul 31 08:31:50 aaaah, it's been YOU to set loglevel=1 :-D Jul 31 08:32:11 DocScrutinizer: yeah Jul 31 08:32:14 .oO( in soviet russia, loglevel sets YOU!! ) Jul 31 08:32:20 blindcoder: you get an idea about quality of "tweaks" now? ;-) Jul 31 08:32:27 DocScrutinizer: just about, yeah.... Jul 31 08:33:07 each single hacklet needs check and edit Jul 31 08:33:10 DocScrutinizer: still, I guess i'll write a usable howto on installing stuff on the SD card and booting via uBoot Jul 31 08:33:25 so my recommendation to mark the whole page wasn't a joke Jul 31 08:33:29 DocScrutinizer: since most stuff i found out I got from two wikis, mailing list archives and IRC logs Jul 31 08:33:56 the rest from trying and failing ;) Jul 31 08:34:21 blindcoder: great. much appreciated Jul 31 08:35:04 DocScrutinizer: btw, two more questions (not related to tweaks) Jul 31 08:35:18 what is the recommended way of backing up an shr installation? Jul 31 08:35:28 so far I use a sd card reader on my pc and dd Jul 31 08:36:07 blindcoder: please just do me a favour and check carefully for each info you include whether it's official (then include a reference), or it's an assumption you found works *for you* but needs confirmation Jul 31 08:36:08 and second: how can I _save_ configuration in the settings dialogues? ie backlight intensity, caller id to manual-on and stuff like that Jul 31 08:36:24 DocScrutinizer: I'll mark them as such Jul 31 08:37:59 blindcoder: backup via dd seems rather complete and orthodox (aka OK ;). Saving settings is done automatically for few of the settings, no way to do it any simple way for the rest Jul 31 08:38:21 talk to dos1 and TAsn about saving settings Jul 31 08:38:25 DocScrutinizer: okay, thanks :-) Jul 31 08:39:23 TAsn: btw, there's a backup utility in recent settings, to copy all user config to some uSD-archive (and eventually restore) :) Jul 31 08:40:45 mrmoku: (nah... not the whole page please ;) ) then goddamn somebody should keep it up to date! Jul 31 08:41:43 mrmoku: deleting obsolete tweaks is more important that publishing new ones Jul 31 08:41:46 IMHO Jul 31 08:42:11 DocScrutinizer, I agree on that... but that is a big page with lots of tweaks Jul 31 08:42:17 and not all of that is obsolete Jul 31 08:42:32 that's the problem ;))) Jul 31 08:44:42 blindcoder: there's a setting for AT%Nxxxx somewhere in FSO's config files (don't ask me where pleeeaase) Jul 31 08:46:07 the afore mentioned tweak with enqueue(BLA) src-edit was for a time where FSO didn't care about AT%N at all Jul 31 08:47:11 or - IIRC - from a tme where FSO didn't care for each single call, as mickey_away wasn't convinced it's a non-sticky transient setting Jul 31 08:48:06 if you implement this "tweak" nowadays you for sure spill the meanwhile matured handling in FSO by that Jul 31 08:50:57 what's SHR-U mood and condition currently? Safe to upgrade/reflash without regressions from 090703??? Jul 31 08:51:44 mrmoku: ^ Jul 31 08:52:01 TAsn: ^ Jul 31 08:54:30 DocScrutinizer, not sure about that Jul 31 08:54:35 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119826+dcd90798cdab0ab1e7c1fb56af8841bb225b5fdc-r3.5-om-gta02.bin ? Jul 31 08:54:53 aaaww Jul 31 08:55:07 ? Jul 31 08:56:22 DocScrutinizer: I'm running 090721 just fine so far Jul 31 08:56:43 blindcoder: thanks for nfo :) Jul 31 08:57:31 mrmoku: there's uImage of 090728 but no rootfs for that? Or is it me and my coffee not kicking in? ;-) Jul 31 08:58:22 no, that's because I removed the bad image Jul 31 08:58:34 having build problems the last days Jul 31 08:59:17 mrmoku: :x Jul 31 09:01:27 k fellas, time to start my day Jul 31 09:01:29 cya Jul 31 09:14:47 last daaaaaaaaay \o/ Jul 31 09:39:37 Ainulindale: have fun :) Jul 31 09:41:37 Ainulindale, any news from bearstech regarding registration in our trac? Jul 31 09:42:04 (having a Logo Contest running and people cannot register is... suboptimal ;) Jul 31 09:44:55 Hmmm I thought this was fixed Jul 31 09:45:35 see ML Jul 31 09:45:39 I was just able to register Jul 31 09:45:43 And just did (TestAinu) Jul 31 09:45:51 strange Jul 31 09:46:36 might depend on the browser then maybe Jul 31 09:46:45 which thread should I look at? Jul 31 09:47:05 Can't login on trac Jul 31 09:47:12 last mail to shr-user Jul 31 09:47:16 login, not register :-) Jul 31 09:47:18 That's a known issue Jul 31 09:47:22 You have to delete the user Jul 31 09:47:28 And then he has to recreate himself Jul 31 09:47:37 well he just created himself Jul 31 09:47:47 Yeah I know Jul 31 09:47:49 That's a trac bug Jul 31 09:47:58 happens randomly? Jul 31 09:48:03 WEll apparently Jul 31 09:48:07 ~lart trac Jul 31 09:48:07 * bzzbot stabs trac Jul 31 09:48:14 It's probably due to the version we use Jul 31 09:48:18 bearstech is aware of that issue Jul 31 09:48:26 ok Jul 31 09:59:32 mrmoku: chances I get a full size working acount eventually? ;-> Jul 31 09:59:42 mrmoku: ...once again? Jul 31 10:00:36 mrmoku: with correct mail-address... Jul 31 10:29:13 ive just encountered the buzz... Jul 31 11:11:59 Weiss: hi, should X start yet with KMS? anyway, getting quite far with your latest work, great stuff :) http://pastebin.com/m7fc3fabe (Xorg log, running under Debian) Jul 31 11:13:28 compiled kms-enabled kernel under cross-compilation, and then libdrm + xf86-video-glamo natively. finally used your ready mesa binary from May since I didn't get it to compile right away and the branch hasn't been updated since. Jul 31 11:19:53 Has FSO finished PIM? And do SHR use pim in any way yet? Jul 31 11:25:00 polish telecom still blocks gimp.org... Jul 31 11:25:51 nice they didn't block freenode... ;/ Jul 31 11:28:12 dos1, why would they block gimp.org ? Jul 31 11:30:48 dcordes: blackholing Jul 31 11:31:47 big wall of poland ? Jul 31 11:32:50 dcordes: they say that's due to botnets... Jul 31 11:34:46 * dos1 fucks botnets, /me just want to have repo.or.cz and gimp.org available Jul 31 11:35:42 dos1: :( Jul 31 11:35:42 dos1: my isp sucks too Jul 31 11:35:53 PaulFertser: with repo.or.cz blocked i can't even build SHR Jul 31 11:36:09 dos1: but you have a workaround, right? Jul 31 11:36:27 dos1: btw, have you tried to actually write a paper complaint to your isp? Jul 31 11:36:34 PaulFertser: if building on shell is workaround, then yes :P Jul 31 11:37:06 dos1: with the latest SHR what is the time between you press Answer and can actually communicate? Jul 31 11:38:08 PaulFertser: for me it's about 3-4 seconds, but i don't have fresh install Jul 31 11:38:25 dos1: too much. I thought that latest frameworkd solved all that issues and now it's < 1 sec. Jul 31 11:38:44 PaulFertser: err, 2-3 seconds :P Jul 31 11:38:55 dos1: not quite enough Jul 31 11:39:12 Hi guys, just got this question. Does SHR use some sort of PIM now, or still just straight from the sim? Jul 31 11:39:13 but i don't have fresh image and i have quite modified rules.yaml Jul 31 11:39:35 lysgaard: i'm opimd developer. SHR doesn't use it ATM in libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Jul 31 11:40:04 my ISP does dns spoofing Jul 31 11:40:08 lysgaard: but writing new GUI should start soon, with pim intergration by design Jul 31 11:40:14 dos1: i can show you a very cool short soviet cartoon which i translated to english (no subtitles but should still be understandable enough, just a plain text file). Jul 31 11:40:23 dos1: Wow, you're _the_ guy making the framework? Jul 31 11:40:45 lysgaard: hmm... yes and no :D Jul 31 11:41:18 lysgaard: i'm not in FSO coreteam, but i'm developing opimd, after original author disappered Jul 31 11:41:38 dos1: Cool Jul 31 11:42:00 lysgaard: among the guys making the framework Jul 31 11:42:03 there is mickey_away Jul 31 11:42:08 (currently in the train from paris to frankfurt) Jul 31 11:42:09 lysgaard: i'm more SHR developer than FSO ;) Jul 31 11:42:15 alphaone who's a lazy ass Jul 31 11:42:22 ;) Jul 31 11:42:22 stefan_schmidt and shoragan Jul 31 11:42:35 and that four is exactly FSO coreteam Jul 31 11:42:51 That or the power rangers Jul 31 11:43:26 G.I. Joe Jul 31 11:54:44 Why this http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks#majorreallymajorspeedupofsuspendandwakeup isn't integrated in the image? Resume/suspend works stable, so nobody needs the output... Jul 31 11:55:21 the neverending story with my borked 16GB-uSD: As my computer store wasn't able to replace the broken Kingston uSD, I got me a Nokia one today. Let's see if it works better ;-) Jul 31 11:56:05 Heinervdm: it's because U are supposed to fix this via uBoot kernel cmdline parameter Jul 31 11:56:10 Heinervdm: it's basically a runtime equivalent of the kernel parameter loglevel=1 Jul 31 11:57:42 DocScrutinizer: blindcoder: Ok, is there somewhere written how to change the uboot kernel cmdline parameter? I've searched for it several times... Jul 31 11:57:54 Heinervdm: yes, gimme a second Jul 31 11:58:05 wiki Jul 31 11:58:14 Heinervdm: or just use rootfs on sd + qi Jul 31 11:58:25 Heinervdm: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Add_uboot_boot_entry Jul 31 11:58:38 blindcoder: thx Jul 31 11:58:56 dos1 meant: rootfs on sd + qi will inplicitly include a setting of loglevel=1 Jul 31 11:59:08 honestly, I dream of a freerunner equivalent of the solaris eeprom command... Jul 31 11:59:22 huh? Jul 31 11:59:37 manpage?? ;-P Jul 31 12:00:03 on solaris machines you can manipulate the ok-prompts environment using the userspace eeprom command Jul 31 12:00:12 @Doc Jul 31 12:00:29 wtf is ok-prompts environment? Jul 31 12:00:52 DocScrutinizer: basically the bootloader on SUN machines Jul 31 12:01:14 DocScrutinizer: when you power on a sun machine (or connect to its ALOM) you get a prompt like this: Jul 31 12:01:18 ok _ Jul 31 12:01:19 there's sth like "envedit" or the like to edit uBoot env from userspace Jul 31 12:01:32 that's why it's called the ok-prompt :) Jul 31 12:01:37 envedit... gimme a sec Jul 31 12:02:15 I asked for this very feature some weeks ago. Some nice fella here pointed me to that Jul 31 12:02:50 maybe was lindi- or someone Jul 31 12:03:02 PaulFertser might remember still Jul 31 12:03:14 DocScrutinizer: seems to be exactly what I mean Jul 31 12:03:32 of cooouuuurse man ;-) Jul 31 12:03:49 edit wiki! Jul 31 12:03:57 add a howto! Jul 31 12:03:57 Mirv: cool, thanks for testing :)... i think we're just one pagefault away from a working KMS DDX at the moment.. your log looks almost exactly like mine Jul 31 12:03:59 ;-) Jul 31 12:04:34 DocScrutinizer: i don't, would need to google again Jul 31 12:04:36 Mirv: you get a momentary screen of colourful noise before X goes down again? Jul 31 12:05:39 let's see if Wolfgang takes the opportunity I offered to get me into Qi-HW team :) Jul 31 12:07:01 DocScrutinizer: can I ask you something in a query? Jul 31 12:07:08 go ahead Jul 31 12:09:24 TAsn: ping Jul 31 12:09:25 DocScrutinizer, I just came, though I'm off going to watch the new harry potter (shame on me) Jul 31 12:09:31 lol. Jul 31 12:09:44 dos1, I really JUST came this sec Jul 31 12:09:49 DocScrutinizer, though I'll read what you wrote as soon as I get back. Jul 31 12:09:50 xD Jul 31 12:10:15 TAsn: nothing urgent IIRC Jul 31 12:10:41 TAsn: (H.P.) gonna do same tomorrow Jul 31 12:11:22 people says that new hp is quite good compared to previous Jul 31 12:13:02 dos1, make it quick please. Jul 31 12:13:02 dos1, please write what you have to say Jul 31 12:13:02 brb quick shower Jul 31 12:13:02 will read it when I come back. Jul 31 12:14:00 TAsn: well, i wanted to ask about how to implement one thing in opimd, but i think i know now :D Jul 31 12:14:15 TAsn: but when you'll be back say, how's your opims problem Jul 31 12:14:23 s/pims/pimd/ Jul 31 12:14:24 dos1 meant: TAsn: but when you'll be back say, how's your opimd problem Jul 31 12:17:15 Weiss: yes, indeed I do get color noise for a brief moment Jul 31 12:20:19 dos1, still not fixed Jul 31 12:20:32 though I haven't found the time to restart frameworkd with debug messages. Jul 31 12:20:32 ;\ Jul 31 12:20:36 TAsn: but i still don't know, what is it ;P Jul 31 12:20:36 TAsn: you going to watch what? Why? Jul 31 12:20:46 PaulFertser, harry potter Jul 31 12:20:50 why? no idea. Jul 31 12:20:55 I'm a "story addict" Jul 31 12:21:01 TAsn: really? Jul 31 12:21:04 so please provide logs ;) Jul 31 12:21:08 once I start a story I gotta finish it Jul 31 12:21:25 TAsn: i read the first HP book. Jul 31 12:21:42 and since I stopped reading them since the 5th (was too agonizing) I need to watch the movies. Jul 31 12:21:50 TAsn: it was enough for me to see that it's not true literature, more like a cheap fake. Jul 31 12:21:55 the 5th movie was way better than the book. Jul 31 12:22:05 PaulFertser, of course it's not true literature Jul 31 12:22:20 it's a children book written by an "uneducated" writer Jul 31 12:22:34 iirc. Jul 31 12:22:46 uneducated = lacks literature education. Jul 31 12:22:54 TAsn: i know plenty of children books that are literature. Jul 31 12:23:04 TAsn: i see exactly no reason to read something that is not. Jul 31 12:28:53 mrmoku: i've just built shr-lite-image for gta01 successfully. Jul 31 12:29:08 PaulFertser, that's why I stopped reading it Jul 31 12:29:14 and started watching the movies instead ;) Jul 31 12:30:09 TAsn: there're plenty of movies that are real art... And HP movie adaptations are pop hollywood usual commercial crap afaik... Jul 31 12:30:45 the movies ain't anywhere near the books, and that says a lot.. Jul 31 12:31:13 tordo: movies are inherently different. I don't think you can compare movies and books. Jul 31 12:31:45 PaulFertser, aye. Jul 31 12:31:53 PaulFertser, I also watch the "real art"movies Jul 31 12:32:03 take bruno for example... Jul 31 12:32:05 :) Jul 31 12:32:08 *"Bruno" Jul 31 12:32:52 PaulFertser: well, in the sense that the movies are worse compared to other movies than the books are compared to other books Jul 31 12:33:04 j/k, I'm really waiting for Tim Burton's Alice in wonderland Jul 31 12:35:07 tordo, lol, that's a weird comparison. Jul 31 12:35:39 well yeah, but what to do when i'm not allowed to compare books and movies? :( Jul 31 12:35:41 tordo, adaptations that really try to stick to the source (i.e harry potter movies) are generally not as good as the source. (I think) Jul 31 12:36:01 indeed Jul 31 12:36:19 since as PaulFertser said, books and movies are inherently different and trying to make them exactly the same is stupid/hard ;) Jul 31 12:36:26 anyhow, I'm off. Jul 31 12:36:26 ciao. Jul 31 12:36:27 indeed Jul 31 12:36:29 same Jul 31 12:36:30 ciao Jul 31 12:40:50 Mirv: yep, that's Xorg's framebuffer after submission to KMS, but before Xorg gets as far as blanking it out or drawing anything Jul 31 13:06:56 PaulFertser, good thing :) Jul 31 13:07:02 PaulFertser, how big is the jffs2? Jul 31 13:07:11 mrmoku: bad thing is that ./armv4t/morgue/evas-engine-buffer_0.9.9.050+svnr40567-r2.3_armv4t.ipk Jul 31 13:07:58 mrmoku: the image is 50M, ok Jul 31 13:08:05 good :D Jul 31 13:08:18 mrmoku: 50MiB i meant Jul 31 13:09:17 mrmoku: there's good evas engine buffer which is not in morgue but it's not included in the image. Jul 31 13:10:56 mrmoku: no evas engines at all included in fact Jul 31 13:11:21 hmm Jul 31 13:11:31 that is my problem on the buildhost too Jul 31 13:11:33 Weiss: I'm happy to test your work whenever I have happen to have extra time for it. And I can see if I can help about debian packaging to eg. experimental, thought it's quite many parts. Jul 31 13:12:10 Err. I did something stupid. I disabeled all the backends for PIM in SHR exept the sqlite one. Now none of the applications requireing PIM works, and the settings gui crashes when i try to set it back.. =/ Jul 31 13:12:15 Mirv: coolness. for now, i'm really glad it didn't fall to pieces when compiled outside my own setup (well, didn't fall to pieces in a different way to that expected) Jul 31 13:24:43 Weiss: yes, indeed I was also happy to build it succesfully under Debian as you used OE Jul 31 13:25:12 (oh well, I used OE for kernel but I believe it's not a problem) Jul 31 13:25:50 mrmoku:PaulFertser: thanks for your work on the evas-problem!!! Jul 31 13:26:44 schasc1: trying to investigate it atm. Jul 31 13:27:08 schasc1: isn't opkg install evas-engine-buffer and other evas-engine-* enough? Jul 31 13:27:45 PaulFertser:i should try it... Jul 31 13:38:49 mrmoku: are you available? Jul 31 13:39:05 yep Jul 31 13:39:40 mrmoku: shr-lite-image -> shr-image -> task-x11-illume -> e-wm -> edje Jul 31 13:40:26 mrmoku: s/edje/evas Jul 31 13:40:38 s/shr-image/task-shr-minimal Jul 31 13:40:49 mrmoku: yes, Jul 31 13:41:02 mrmoku: and evas.inc has engines we need in RRECOMMENDS Jul 31 13:41:16 hmm Jul 31 13:41:24 Not RDEPENDS Jul 31 13:41:47 PaulFertser, yep, those from RRECOMMENDS are missing Jul 31 13:41:54 Mirv: actually, i use OE for all the userspace bits and the toolchain for the kernel, so it's still a useful test :) Jul 31 13:41:55 mrmoku: its reasonable because evas can be used on other targets as well. Jul 31 13:42:09 mrmoku: so we actually need to specify that in task-x11-illume as RDEPENDS Jul 31 13:42:25 PaulFertser, don't think so... because Jul 31 13:42:27 mrmoku: it's the recipe where illume and x11 "meet". Jul 31 13:42:28 a) it works for gta02 Jul 31 13:42:38 b) it works for gta01 on my local buildhost Jul 31 13:42:45 and c) it always worked Jul 31 13:43:03 if the RRECOMMEND is available it should install it Jul 31 13:43:17