**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 02 02:59:57 2009
Aug 02 08:07:21 <DocScrutinizer> morning
Aug 02 08:10:04 <roh> ola doc
Aug 02 08:11:33 <DocScrutinizer> roh: noch wach? ;-)
Aug 02 08:16:46 <roh> jo
Aug 02 08:17:03 <roh> hab den morgen an https://m21.hyte.de/planet/ gehackt
Aug 02 08:17:27 <roh> irgendwann muss ich mal son web-erfinder mit den fuessen einbetonieren
Aug 02 08:25:14 <DocScrutinizer> roh: web-erfinder == html/ajax-"coder" ?
Aug 02 08:28:17 <roh> nah.. these are the harmless guys helping me out.. rather the people who ever allowed to mix code and design in all of that
Aug 02 08:28:48 <roh> i mean.. pure xml with css is comparedably 'easy' to all the 'html' madness
Aug 02 08:29:09 <DocScrutinizer> ack
Aug 02 08:29:32 <roh> and don't get me started on 'escaping' .. i mean.. is it too much to just use utf8-strings with a zero termination?
Aug 02 08:29:58 <roh> you know what punycode is? the stuff used for 'umlautdomains'
Aug 02 08:30:26 <DocScrutinizer> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
Aug 02 08:30:33 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, ping
Aug 02 08:30:37 <DocScrutinizer> yes, heard of punycode
Aug 02 08:30:42 <roh> *veg*
Aug 02 08:31:56 <roh> i've seen darkness... and only jonny cash as well as solid, dry minimal techno keeps me sane *wipp*
Aug 02 08:38:23 <DocScrutinizer> moin mrmoku :)
Aug 02 08:38:45 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, moin moin
Aug 02 08:41:25 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: how's state of build curse?
Aug 02 08:42:07 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: found some exorcist or a few powerful magic spells?
Aug 02 08:43:08 <schasch> :-)
Aug 02 08:44:54 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, I'm not sure one exorcist will be enough
Aug 02 08:45:02 <mrmoku> looking more for a whole tribe of them
Aug 02 08:45:05 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Aug 02 08:45:53 <DocScrutinizer> thermonuclear sterilization and restart from scratch?
Aug 02 08:46:03 <mrmoku> already did that
Aug 02 08:46:18 <DocScrutinizer> DUuhh
Aug 02 08:47:39 * mrmoku moves downstairs
Aug 02 08:49:47 <DocScrutinizer> alphaone: o/
Aug 02 08:50:02 <alphaone> DocScrutinizer: Hey
Aug 02 08:50:22 <mrmoku> alphaone, do you manage to build sane SHR images?
Aug 02 08:50:37 <alphaone> mrmoku: I used to
Aug 02 08:51:10 <alphaone> mrmoku: I'll start building images soon since I now got an HTC Dream to use FSO on
Aug 02 08:51:15 <mrmoku> alphaone, not sure when that started... but the last one or two weeks it does not include a bunch of important packages into the image
Aug 02 08:51:19 <DocScrutinizer> au secours, mayday, sos! alphaone to the rescue
Aug 02 08:51:28 <alphaone> ouch
Aug 02 08:51:30 <mrmoku> somehow related to RRECOMMENDS not being included
Aug 02 08:51:42 <alphaone> mrmoku: What does Ainulindale say?
Aug 02 08:51:45 <mrmoku> stuff like fsousaged is missing or the evas-engines
Aug 02 08:51:59 <mrmoku> alphaone, Ainulindale will hopefully be available again now
Aug 02 08:52:04 <alphaone> doesn't sound good..
Aug 02 08:52:09 <mrmoku> he finished his last job on friday
Aug 02 08:52:19 <mrmoku> guess he did some partying yesterday
Aug 02 08:52:30 <mrmoku> and should be without headache today :P
Aug 02 08:52:53 <mrmoku> alphaone, do you know if there were some changes involved in the bitbake switch from svn to git?
Aug 02 08:53:02 <alphaone> Hehe
Aug 02 08:53:02 <DocScrutinizer> I honestly doubt THAT part (headache free)
Aug 02 08:53:09 <alphaone> mrmoku: No, sorry
Aug 02 08:53:23 <alphaone> I'm somewhat disconnected at the moment
Aug 02 08:53:32 <mrmoku> unfortunately the svn tree is already gone and I converted all my buildtrees :(
Aug 02 08:53:59 <alphaone> I didn't even know that they finally switched..
Aug 02 08:54:06 <mrmoku> I'm close to just find out and add missing packages to task-shr-minimal...
Aug 02 08:54:07 <alphaone> Thanks :-)
Aug 02 08:54:10 <mrmoku> alphaone, hehe :)
Aug 02 08:54:50 <DocScrutinizer> roh: keep a copy of this, for evidence of purpose of a decent sysop/admin ;)
Aug 02 08:56:06 <DocScrutinizer> who at bearstech was so venturous to kill svn?
Aug 02 08:56:16 <mrmoku> bearstech?
Aug 02 08:56:33 <mrmoku> bitbake moved from berlios svn to oe git
Aug 02 08:56:42 <DocScrutinizer> oooh
Aug 02 08:58:06 <DocScrutinizer> nevermind, ignore me. Too early for my biorhythm
Aug 02 08:58:54 <alphaone> gtg, first aid course continues
Aug 02 08:59:47 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, what to say... looking forward to see you back here soon
Aug 02 09:02:38 <mrmoku> mickeyl, ping :)
Aug 02 09:02:58 <mrmoku> mickeyl, and bring your cluestick :P
Aug 02 09:10:00 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: did you achieve to compile ccrtp a few weeks ago when working twinkle?
Aug 02 09:12:30 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, don't remember... memory sucks :(
Aug 02 09:12:34 <mrmoku> guess not
Aug 02 09:12:44 <DocScrutinizer> np, just curious
Aug 02 09:20:43 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, still no letter of intent from Wolfgang wrt Doc's tasks for Qi-HW.com
Aug 02 09:21:01 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Aug 02 09:29:11 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: can you please trigger rebuild of kernel? I just pushed all the patches i did to make a dumb battery driver work.
Aug 02 09:29:34 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, for gta01?
Aug 02 09:29:38 <mrmoku> or both
Aug 02 09:29:40 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: both
Aug 02 09:38:57 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, I finally launched some question in #oe
Aug 02 09:39:05 * mrmoku does not feel comfy in that chan :(
Aug 02 09:39:06 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: :)
Aug 02 09:39:14 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: afraid of koen?
Aug 02 09:39:25 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, don't know if he is in there
Aug 02 09:39:30 <mrmoku> what is his nick?
Aug 02 09:39:39 <mrmoku> anyway... not because of koen :)
Aug 02 09:40:01 <mrmoku> just feeling like a stranger in there :P
Aug 02 09:40:38 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i think his nick is the same.
Aug 02 09:40:49 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, then he's not even there :)
Aug 02 09:41:40 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, do you happen to still have a bitbake svn tree around?
Aug 02 09:42:24 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: no, rmed it like your makefile suggested
Aug 02 09:42:37 <mrmoku> :)
Aug 02 09:43:06 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i don't think that's relevant, they seem to have imported all svn history in git anyway.
Aug 02 09:45:12 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, yeah, but I don't know what was added after the import
Aug 02 09:45:43 <mrmoku> but probably you're right and its not relevant...
Aug 02 09:46:05 * mrmoku desperate :(
Aug 02 09:46:29 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i've tried to read the sources... Too complicated structure to be easily understandable.
Aug 02 09:46:39 <mrmoku> yep
Aug 02 09:46:58 <mrmoku> I'm trying to build with bitbake from master branch now
Aug 02 09:48:26 <mrmoku> (which does not even build an image)
Aug 02 09:54:20 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: btw, it seems that on every bitbake invocation it first tries to check if there's a new version for AUTOREV'd packages.
Aug 02 09:54:29 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: can one disable it to make it faster?
Aug 02 09:54:59 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, not that I would know off
Aug 02 09:55:12 <mrmoku> if you want to build one package directly you can do that with -b
Aug 02 09:55:14 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i suspect that's the main reason why it's so slow.
Aug 02 09:55:18 <mrmoku> and it won't parse anything
Aug 02 09:55:24 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: ah, yse
Aug 02 09:56:04 <mrmoku> I don't know if there is some magic switch to tell it 'do not look for new revs'
Aug 02 09:56:15 <mrmoku> IIRC mwester said there is nothing like that
Aug 02 09:56:33 <mrmoku> you can set some BBMASK to exclude .bb's from the build process
Aug 02 09:56:39 <mrmoku> but that's something different
Aug 02 10:03:04 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, gta01 finished... building gta02 now
Aug 02 10:03:42 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: thanks a lot
Aug 02 10:05:09 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, hmm... one package not included in the image is ophonekitd
Aug 02 10:05:20 <mrmoku> and that one does not come in via RRECOMMEND but directly
Aug 02 10:05:23 <mrmoku> strange
Aug 02 10:05:55 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: we're definetely in need of someone who's involved in bitbake.
Aug 02 10:07:01 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, yeah, started to write a mail to oe list
Aug 02 10:07:12 <mrmoku> just don't want to make a fool of myself :P
Aug 02 10:07:22 <mrmoku> so I want to be sure what I'm writing is actually correct
Aug 02 10:08:50 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i'm sure there's plenty of real fools writing to the OE ML everyday so even if your mail doesn't make much sense, it won't look odd there ;)
Aug 02 10:09:11 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, but make me feel bad ;)
Aug 02 10:13:34 <DocScrutinizer> now it's time to take you from step 1 whis was a highscool diploma stuffed with a gym sock, to step 2 which is a collage degree stuffed with absolutely nothing at all... [FZ] ;-)
Aug 02 10:14:10 <DocScrutinizer> smoke THAT and you really get off!  -- But I still don't feel as good as I felt this morning
Aug 02 10:14:35 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, smoke my highscool diploma? :P
Aug 02 10:17:12 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/Roxy_&_Elsewhere
Aug 02 10:17:46 <DocScrutinizer> "" In fact, Jeff goes on to offer him a cut-up, white gym sock (previously owned by Frank’s younger brother Carl), suggesting that he smoke it and use a high-school diploma as the rolling paper.""
Aug 02 10:19:23 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, ahh FZ :)
Aug 02 10:19:31 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.lyricsfire.com/viewlyrics/frank-zappa/dummy-up-lyrics.htm
Aug 02 10:43:57 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: here 
Aug 02 10:47:03 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, heh, how are you?
Aug 02 10:47:12 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, having good news and VERY good news :)
Aug 02 10:47:23 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, good news is the kernels are in the feed
Aug 02 10:47:30 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: :D
Aug 02 10:47:33 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: fine thanks
Aug 02 10:47:45 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I'm currently in the north of france having two days off
Aug 02 10:47:58 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, very good news is that when building with 1.8-parser-rework branch image is good :)
Aug 02 10:48:01 <Ainulindale> mainly "working" though as we needed to rebuild a wall
Aug 02 10:48:09 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: hehe, really good indeed.
Aug 02 10:48:15 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, back home?
Aug 02 10:48:27 <Ainulindale> nah
Aug 02 10:48:29 <Ainulindale> I'm at a friend's
Aug 02 10:48:38 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, could you try to verify if it works for you too?
Aug 02 10:48:40 <Ainulindale> Main intentions was to buy cider & calva
Aug 02 10:48:46 <Ainulindale> -s
Aug 02 10:48:46 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: building?
Aug 02 10:48:57 <mrmoku> yep
Aug 02 10:48:58 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: i can try, yes
Aug 02 10:49:02 <mrmoku> thanks :)
Aug 02 10:49:14 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: parser rework?
Aug 02 10:49:16 <Ainulindale> What's that?
Aug 02 10:49:33 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, zeckes reworked bitbake I think
Aug 02 10:49:37 <Ainulindale> Oh
Aug 02 10:49:39 <Ainulindale> What did he do?
Aug 02 10:49:46 <mrmoku> rework the parser?
Aug 02 10:49:48 <mrmoku> ;)
Aug 02 10:49:55 <Ainulindale> Yeah what for
Aug 02 10:49:58 <Ainulindale> ?
Aug 02 10:50:46 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, no idea, but shr image did not build correctly with bitbake from git
Aug 02 10:50:56 <mrmoku> and with his branch it looks like it does
Aug 02 10:52:47 <Ainulindale> Ok so it WAS a bitbake problem
Aug 02 10:52:53 <Ainulindale> Mainly due to overrides if I'm not mistaken
Aug 02 10:53:13 <mrmoku> no idea.. sent a mail to oe-devel
Aug 02 10:53:24 <mrmoku> brb
Aug 02 10:59:17 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: heh, seems you found a real master of exorcism ;-P
Aug 02 11:01:03 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, zecke?
Aug 02 11:01:15 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Aug 02 11:04:52 <mrmoku> probably yeah :)
Aug 02 11:05:38 <morphis> heyho
Aug 02 11:06:02 <DocScrutinizer> boooooooooooh!
Aug 02 12:10:43 <usr> how can i create variablesin python using: "for i in x:"?
Aug 02 12:14:06 <usr>  how can i create variables in python using: "for i in x:"?
Aug 02 12:21:42 <F4t> usr, u mean lists?
Aug 02 12:22:31 <F4t> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_syntax_and_semantics#List_comprehensions
Aug 02 12:42:32 <BluesLee> opkg isnt fixed yet or?
Aug 02 12:42:52 <BluesLee> i get a lot of opkg fork failed messages
Aug 02 12:44:44 <dos1> BluesLee: did you do "opkg install opkg libopkg0"?
Aug 02 12:46:53 <DocScrutinizer> muhahahah
Aug 02 12:49:58 <BluesLee> dos1: no, i upgraded
Aug 02 12:50:26 <dos1> BluesLee: opkg is fixed, but you were using old version when upgrading
Aug 02 12:50:28 <dos1> ;P
Aug 02 12:50:30 <BluesLee> i should do that first i guess, i am restoring my nand backup
Aug 02 12:50:35 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: I hope new opkg has a way to start a script it downloaded at some defined URL, prior to any other activity
Aug 02 12:51:06 <BluesLee> dos1: i am on 21th of july, is it worth to upgrade?
Aug 02 12:52:21 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: so opkg could do any mandatory special action (like upgrading itself) prior to a standard upgrade run
Aug 02 12:55:58 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: did you tried to fix #1024?
Aug 02 12:56:17 <DocScrutinizer> BluesLee: huh?
Aug 02 12:56:36 <DocScrutinizer> BluesLee: please rephrase
Aug 02 12:56:57 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: i read on the ml there is a hw fix of that bug
Aug 02 12:57:11 <DocScrutinizer> yes. for some weeks now
Aug 02 12:57:39 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: and some applied it 
Aug 02 12:57:47 <DocScrutinizer> alphaone stated here yesterday he's using a hw-fixed device for daily use now
Aug 02 12:58:13 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: i wrote him an email for a status 
Aug 02 12:58:43 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: but the fix is much more complicated than the buzz fix
Aug 02 12:58:49 <DocScrutinizer> BluesLee: status is the hw-fix works
Aug 02 12:59:07 <DocScrutinizer> (complicated) yes, regrettably
Aug 02 12:59:58 <BluesLee> i also use my freerunner on a daily basis
Aug 02 13:00:20 <BluesLee> since fso-abyss has been introduced i have less problems with gsm
Aug 02 13:00:41 <BluesLee> the sound quality could be better if i am outside
Aug 02 13:00:59 <BluesLee> but the neo seems to be reliable with shr
Aug 02 13:01:05 <DocScrutinizer> anyway #1024 isn't considered a severe bug. You get decent operation with AT%sleep=2, with considerably reduced but still decent suspend-standbytime though
Aug 02 13:01:54 <BluesLee> qtopia used also a sleep variant and i missed some calls with it
Aug 02 13:02:16 <DocScrutinizer> sleep=4 causes missing calls
Aug 02 13:02:37 <DocScrutinizer> sleep=2 causes standby time cut by half
Aug 02 13:02:49 <BluesLee> where is the documentation of these options? 
Aug 02 13:02:56 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Aug 02 13:02:57 <BluesLee> i would try it for some days
Aug 02 13:03:17 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r9f74e735c2e9 10/ (opimd-contacts setup.py): Add opimd-contacts script with incremental search
Aug 02 13:03:18 <Q-Master> DocScrutinizer: with 1024 fix?
Aug 02 13:03:19 <BluesLee> its not an fso option or?
Aug 02 13:03:44 <DocScrutinizer> fso_sleep_mode=never | always
Aug 02 13:03:54 <dos1> can someone test opimd-contacts? :)
Aug 02 13:04:03 <Q-Master> dos1: how?
Aug 02 13:04:08 <dos1> Q-Master: download and run :P
Aug 02 13:04:19 <Q-Master> dos1: from repo?
Aug 02 13:04:20 <DocScrutinizer> lol, can someone create a working image? ;-P
Aug 02 13:04:23 <BluesLee> dos1: it sounds like pim, there is no pim in shr
Aug 02 13:04:29 <dos1> BluesLee: there is
Aug 02 13:04:37 <dos1> BluesLee: just unused
Aug 02 13:04:44 <BluesLee> dos1: a calendar and so on really?
Aug 02 13:04:48 <dos1> BluesLee: err, pyphonelog uses it
Aug 02 13:05:48 <DocScrutinizer> Q-Master: no, without hw-fix
Aug 02 13:05:55 <Heinervdm> dos1: what's with opimd_generic ?
Aug 02 13:06:05 <DocScrutinizer> Q-Master: for the missing-calls part
Aug 02 13:06:38 <Q-Master> DocScrutinizer: ah.. I've made a 1024 fix just right now.
Aug 02 13:06:42 <dos1> Heinervdm: i'm working on it ;) i have already half of Contacts domain based on GenericDomain
Aug 02 13:07:25 <Heinervdm> dos1: ok, ping me if all of Contacts is based on GernericDomain :)
Aug 02 13:08:01 <DocScrutinizer> Q-Master: if you hw-fix #1024, you may use sleep4 and won't miss calls
Aug 02 13:08:01 <BluesLee> Q-Master: you did the hw fix?
Aug 02 13:08:16 <Heinervdm> s/if/when
Aug 02 13:08:25 <Q-Master> BluesLee: yep. 20 mins ago
Aug 02 13:08:33 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: finally made the fix? Have you bought the same caps again? ;)
Aug 02 13:08:50 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: yep. 8)
Aug 02 13:09:10 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: I've got a ride to chipndip
Aug 02 13:09:35 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: so, how the result?
Aug 02 13:09:59 <BluesLee> Q-Master: how much do the additional hw parts cost and how long it took to do the fix?
Aug 02 13:10:05 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: dunno yet. I'm updating just now. So I can't restart framework
Aug 02 13:10:27 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: I hope it will be all right :D
Aug 02 13:10:41 <Q-Master> BluesLee: about 1 eur for a capacitor and 1 bottle of beer to my friend. 1 hour of lazy work
Aug 02 13:10:48 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: hope so.
Aug 02 13:10:56 <BluesLee> Q-Master: that sounds okay
Aug 02 13:11:05 <Q-Master> 8)
Aug 02 13:11:52 <DocScrutinizer> Q-Master: you got cheap friends ;-)
Aug 02 13:12:10 <Q-Master> BTW before this fix i've got about 4 hours of FBreader running ok.
Aug 02 13:12:22 <Q-Master> DocScrutinizer: just very good friends.
Aug 02 13:12:39 <BluesLee> didnt get the thing with fbreader
Aug 02 13:12:49 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: if the rework is done in a timely manner, it's <15 min including dissassembly, rework and assembly.
Aug 02 13:12:56 <Q-Master> BluesLee: I'm reading in a subway.
Aug 02 13:13:15 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: lol
Aug 02 13:13:37 <DocScrutinizer> you won't even open can in a sensible way in 15min
Aug 02 13:14:31 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: how would i activate this sleep=4 thing?
Aug 02 13:14:47 <DocScrutinizer> *especially* if you do it first time, and care about not destroying the expensive device
Aug 02 13:14:59 <DocScrutinizer> fso_sleep_mode=never | always
Aug 02 13:15:14 <BluesLee> okay,
Aug 02 13:15:24 <BluesLee> i dont care about the device anymore
Aug 02 13:15:29 <BluesLee> to be honest
Aug 02 13:16:07 <BluesLee> the neo is something in between hate and love
Aug 02 13:16:29 <DocScrutinizer> here OM EE nasty rogue docscrutinizer. I never cared ;-P
Aug 02 13:16:33 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i don't remember how long it took me to dismount the can. This can was the second i dismounted (first was the time i did bass fix). I did it using alphaone's knife and it felt fast, like 5 min.
Aug 02 13:17:27 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: I found cans to be rather different to open
Aug 02 13:17:46 <DocScrutinizer> for sure gsm-can is more nasty than main can
Aug 02 13:18:06 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: so i dismounted that gsm can the first time.
Aug 02 13:18:11 <DocScrutinizer> and even cans of same type differ widely
Aug 02 13:18:24 <BluesLee> PaulFertser: what is the problem with the bass?
Aug 02 13:18:38 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: there's no bass until you do rework
Aug 02 13:18:39 <DocScrutinizer> naaaaaaaaaaah
Aug 02 13:18:51 <DocScrutinizer> pleeeeeeeeeeease.....
Aug 02 13:18:56 <PaulFertser> :D
Aug 02 13:19:08 <BluesLee> hehe
Aug 02 13:20:09 <BluesLee> hey doc
Aug 02 13:21:04 <BluesLee> if i imagine that all that problems wouldnt be there
Aug 02 13:21:21 <BluesLee> glamo would be open and so on
Aug 02 13:21:34 <DocScrutinizer> the would be NOOOO glamo
Aug 02 13:21:36 <BluesLee> the freerunner would be a damn good device
Aug 02 13:21:37 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
Aug 02 13:22:00 <BluesLee> okay, because of the used port
Aug 02 13:23:03 <dos1> BluesLee: but then freerunner would be sooo boooriiing!
Aug 02 13:23:13 <DocScrutinizer> hehehehe
Aug 02 13:23:30 <dos1> BluesLee: like other boring (some people calls boring "mass-market") deviced
Aug 02 13:23:34 <dos1> ;)
Aug 02 13:23:51 <DocScrutinizer> you still can use your Dremel to cut a slot for stylus (I did last week ;)
Aug 02 13:24:14 <DocScrutinizer> cuuuuuuute ;-P
Aug 02 13:25:54 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, please up a pic!
Aug 02 13:26:02 <DocScrutinizer> eventually
Aug 02 13:26:10 <TAsn> NOW! :)
Aug 02 13:26:12 <TAsn> (please)
Aug 02 13:27:06 <DocScrutinizer> rrrrRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....mompl
Aug 02 13:27:14 <dos1> ;D
Aug 02 13:27:52 <BluesLee> PaulFertser: "This results in a very high cut-off frequency practically eliminating a possibility to use freerunner as a portable musical player"
Aug 02 13:27:55 <Q-Master> dos1: download from where?
Aug 02 13:28:01 <dos1> Q-Master: git.shr-project.org
Aug 02 13:28:11 <BluesLee> PaulFertser: i use it as a portable music player
Aug 02 13:28:28 <BluesLee> PaulFertser: hmm
Aug 02 13:29:30 <BluesLee> dos1: "opkg: fork failed"
Aug 02 13:29:32 <Q-Master> dos1: opimd-utils?
Aug 02 13:29:46 <dos1> Q-Master: isn't it obvious? ;x
Aug 02 13:29:50 <BluesLee> dos1: it didnt changed anything to upgrade the opkg stuff first
Aug 02 13:29:54 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: no idea, i did the rework before i could plug my headphones.
Aug 02 13:30:00 <Q-Master> dos1: nop 8)
Aug 02 13:30:18 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: i thought about desoldering caps specifically to feel the difference but so far was too lazy.
Aug 02 13:30:25 <dos1> BluesLee: fork failed with "opkg install opkg libopkg0"?
Aug 02 13:30:33 <BluesLee> dos1: yes
Aug 02 13:30:41 <dos1> BluesLee: try to free some ram
Aug 02 13:30:49 <dos1> BluesLee: or add swap
Aug 02 13:30:53 <TAsn> dos1, opkg is SOOO BAD! :)
Aug 02 13:30:58 <BluesLee> dos1: i should free ram?
Aug 02 13:31:08 <dos1> BluesLee: yep
Aug 02 13:31:14 <BluesLee> killing x?
Aug 02 13:31:28 <dos1> BluesLee: yep, and frameworkd
Aug 02 13:32:23 <BluesLee> opkg: error while loading shared libraries: libopkg.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Aug 02 13:33:26 <dos1> BluesLee: oh
Aug 02 13:33:32 <dos1> TAsn: opkg i SOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD :D
Aug 02 13:33:34 <dos1> s/i/is/
Aug 02 13:33:34 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: TAsn: opkg is SOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD :D
Aug 02 13:33:43 <TAsn> :)
Aug 02 13:33:45 <TAsn> aye.
Aug 02 13:33:47 <BluesLee> opkg doesnt work
Aug 02 13:34:06 <BluesLee> where is this lib normally located?
Aug 02 13:34:54 <dos1> i suppose /usr/lib/
Aug 02 13:35:05 <BluesLee> hmmm
Aug 02 13:35:26 <BluesLee> i will restore my device and do nothing
Aug 02 13:36:57 <F4t> btw , does remoko work now with latest shr?
Aug 02 13:37:20 <BluesLee> btw, does omview work with the latest shr?
Aug 02 13:39:38 <DocScrutinizer> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/stylus-deprecated/
Aug 02 13:39:50 <DocScrutinizer> sorry poooooor camera
Aug 02 13:40:08 <DocScrutinizer> you want it NOW you *get it* now
Aug 02 13:41:58 <BluesLee> cool
Aug 02 13:42:24 <BluesLee> i will do it after reflasing
Aug 02 13:43:20 <DocScrutinizer>  http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/stylus-DEPRECATED
Aug 02 13:43:25 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: how did you removed the plastic stuff?
Aug 02 13:43:41 <DocScrutinizer> dremel blade-saw
Aug 02 13:44:25 <BluesLee> ohhh
Aug 02 13:44:30 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, was a mishap. Wrong side (AUX and speaker in the way) Next one will be right side - better
Aug 02 13:44:53 <BluesLee> hehe
Aug 02 13:47:12 <DocScrutinizer> the "stylus" is a wooden BBQ-pin
Aug 02 13:49:10 <BluesLee> i may try a normal stylus
Aug 02 13:49:52 <DocScrutinizer> max diameter ~1.8mm
Aug 02 13:50:24 <DocScrutinizer> a ballben-refill (kugelschreibermine) might fit
Aug 02 13:50:39 <DocScrutinizer> ball pen
Aug 02 13:51:24 <BluesLee> hmm
Aug 02 13:52:36 <DocScrutinizer> but using right side is mandatory. Left side you spoil the audio
Aug 02 13:53:13 <dos1> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Aug 02 13:54:00 <BluesLee> dos1: is there an opimd calendar?
Aug 02 13:54:40 <dos1> BluesLee: not now, but Heinervdm is working on UI
Aug 02 13:56:19 <DocScrutinizer> btw... "Joerg's stylus (C)(R)" ;-D
Aug 02 13:56:44 <Heinervdm> BluesLee: when dos1 has finished GenericDomain i will add DatesDomain to opimd
Aug 02 13:57:12 <DocScrutinizer> add a FRONTEND eventually
Aug 02 13:58:38 <DocScrutinizer> pretty please with shugar on top
Aug 02 14:03:00 <DocScrutinizer> ( joerg's...) as I remember it seems not always clear what's the meaning of my words (see splashscreen drama):  I would consider it a nice gesture if you mention me when publishing work based on the stylus idea
Aug 02 14:04:12 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: sure ... up to date i never published anything in the web:-)
Aug 02 14:06:23 <pbaxter> how is SHR going?
Aug 02 14:06:50 <BluesLee> pbaxter: opkg seems to be broken
Aug 02 14:07:02 <BluesLee> pbaxter: no, opkg is broken;-)
Aug 02 14:07:05 <DocScrutinizer> pbaxter: seems it's recovering from severe illness just today ;)
Aug 02 14:07:20 <pbaxter> yes..but about new testing?
Aug 02 14:07:40 <pbaxter> i knew that it was to be done like two weeks ago
Aug 02 14:07:43 <DocScrutinizer> no, opkg is fixed, and needs special care on upgrade
Aug 02 14:07:58 <pbaxter> yes but new testing?
Aug 02 14:08:06 <pbaxter> last testing is of 2 May
Aug 02 14:08:26 <BluesLee> pbaxter: for me the version from the 21st is worth to be called testing
Aug 02 14:08:38 <BluesLee> pbaxter: but you are right
Aug 02 14:08:43 <PaulFertser> mrmoku|away: i switched bitbake branch, reverted my changes, cleaned e-wm; the resulting image is bad again.
Aug 02 14:08:55 <BluesLee> the shr team should kick out one testing image
Aug 02 14:09:00 <DocScrutinizer> no idea about testing. AIUI testing will see new version no sooner than unstable publishes a working image once again eventually
Aug 02 14:09:16 <pbaxter> yes BluesLee : i think we users need a new testing
Aug 02 14:10:02 <BluesLee> pbaxter: if you dont want to wait try out the one from 21st of july and dont upgrade or anything:-)
Aug 02 14:10:25 <pbaxter> BluesLee : i know, i used it for like 15 days
Aug 02 14:10:29 <DocScrutinizer> U20090703 here
Aug 02 14:10:31 <pbaxter> but i need some more thing
Aug 02 14:10:43 <BluesLee> pbaxter: that is?
Aug 02 14:11:04 <pbaxter> (also i'm not able to use neither navit neither tangogps neither omgps)
Aug 02 14:11:16 <pbaxter> BluesLee : i need messages are saved on another part and not on sim
Aug 02 14:11:28 <DocScrutinizer> tango flawless here
Aug 02 14:11:35 <pbaxter> then, sometimes it gives to me the number of the caller and not the name
Aug 02 14:11:40 <BluesLee> pbaxter: i have also issues with gps here
Aug 02 14:12:10 <BluesLee> i cant get a fix anymore
Aug 02 14:12:22 <BluesLee> dubious errors in dmesg
Aug 02 14:13:41 <BluesLee> "rxerr"
Aug 02 14:14:17 <DocScrutinizer> tty framing/parity error
Aug 02 14:15:26 <DocScrutinizer> seems there's something creeping in with clock dividers etc from cpufreq
Aug 02 14:16:32 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: is cpufreq foo enabled by default for current kernel?
Aug 02 14:18:34 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: no
Aug 02 14:20:02 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: root@om-gta02 ~ $ 
Aug 02 14:20:03 <DocScrutinizer> top
Aug 02 14:20:05 <DocScrutinizer> Unknown HZ value! (88) Assume 100.
Aug 02 14:20:06 <DocScrutinizer> top - 01:14:12 up 13 min,  1 user,  load average: 3.90, 3.95, 2.34
Aug 02 14:20:19 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: what's ""Unknown HZ value! (88) Assume 100.""
Aug 02 14:20:21 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Aug 02 14:20:26 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: no idea yet
Aug 02 14:20:28 <mwester> tickless kernel.
Aug 02 14:20:35 <mwester> the flaw is, apparently, in top.
Aug 02 14:20:40 <DocScrutinizer> FSCK
Aug 02 14:21:18 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: 
Aug 02 14:21:19 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-08-02 16:12:22] <BluesLee> dubious errors in dmesg
Aug 02 14:21:21 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-08-02 16:13:41] <BluesLee> "rxerr"
Aug 02 14:21:36 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i know. No idea what to do :(
Aug 02 14:21:44 <mwester> There are always rxerrs from the GPS whenever it powers up/down.
Aug 02 14:22:16 <mwester> I think there are even some when the GPS app starts, as the default port settings may not match the baud rate from the GPS.
Aug 02 14:22:17 <DocScrutinizer> bah, n powerup/down you see RXERR on every tty connection
Aug 02 14:22:30 <DocScrutinizer> ok
Aug 02 14:23:25 <DocScrutinizer> seems there's little to no effort done wrt setting up tty params in a sane way (on boot?)
Aug 02 14:23:45 <mwester> I was going to submit a kernel patch to set the port defaults for both GPS and GSM to match what the drivers for same would use, thus avoiding some extraneous errors -- but I never got to it, I'm afraid.
Aug 02 14:24:01 <mwester> It's very trivial.
Aug 02 14:24:15 <DocScrutinizer> mwester: add a stty cal in init.d instead?
Aug 02 14:24:29 <mwester> :( Won't work.
Aug 02 14:24:37 <DocScrutinizer> duh! why?
Aug 02 14:25:47 <DocScrutinizer> I guess the answer is: stty can't even access the IOCTL as long as driver for GPS/GSM whatever isn't loaded?
Aug 02 14:25:48 <mwester> The way the tty interface works is somewhat strange.  But basically, open()/close() will reset the port, thus rendering stty ineffective.  This is why one must (for example) run the stty in parallel with the minicom session if you are changing a param that minicom cannot.
Aug 02 14:26:09 <DocScrutinizer> HAH, I KNEW 
Aug 02 14:26:11 <DocScrutinizer> IT
Aug 02 14:26:51 <DocScrutinizer> exactly what I told here some days ago
Aug 02 14:27:01 <DocScrutinizer> :)
Aug 02 14:27:51 <PaulFertser> mwester: are you really sure it's open that changes the parameter? To me it seems that it's minicom itself that resets that parameters to default.
Aug 02 14:28:08 <mwester> Either open() or close() does it.
Aug 02 14:28:34 <mwester> The same thing applies if you use the "cat" command.
Aug 02 14:29:23 <DocScrutinizer> what I told. It's hard to issue a stty cmd *after* cat opened the tty
Aug 02 14:29:56 <DocScrutinizer> that's why it was such a pita to set up the gsm-flashing uSD script
Aug 02 14:30:23 <PaulFertser> mwester: http://pastebin.com/m7161e2b4
Aug 02 14:30:27 <DocScrutinizer> as all those generic methods to communicate to modem to query FW-version failed boldly, due to that
Aug 02 14:31:59 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, yeah, on the buildhost too
Aug 02 14:32:20 <mrmoku> one thing I did on my laptop is to try the master branch first
Aug 02 14:32:29 <mwester> PaulFertser,  yes - some of the settings survive open()/close() -- but not all.  Keep trying, you'll find some that work and some that don't.
Aug 02 14:32:31 <mrmoku> which built but finished with three errors in the end
Aug 02 14:32:52 <DocScrutinizer> ~log
Aug 02 14:32:52 <bzzbot> well, log is at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt
Aug 02 14:33:03 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, and zecke said in #oe that it should not make any difference
Aug 02 14:33:12 <mrmoku> should just speedup parsing
Aug 02 14:33:15 <PaulFertser> mwester: i'd better read the sources to know for sure. OTOH linux tty is really complicated.
Aug 02 14:33:27 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: what did he say about RRECOMMENDS in general?
Aug 02 14:33:45 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, nothing
Aug 02 14:34:08 <mwester> The sources are a real pain to sort out :(    IIRC, things related to line discipline (eg flow control was the one I tried to sort out) gets reset.
Aug 02 14:34:09 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: have you tried to ask him about how it is supposed to work in general?
Aug 02 14:35:03 <mrmoku> no, because it was right after the image built fine on my laptop :(
Aug 02 14:35:18 <mrmoku> but I sent a mail to oe-devel
Aug 02 14:35:36 <mrmoku> got no response (apart from some 'me too has problems with SHR') yest
Aug 02 14:35:37 <mrmoku> -x
Aug 02 14:35:40 <DocScrutinizer> mwester: and flowcontrol is the one that shots you in the foot here usually
Aug 02 14:35:41 <mrmoku> arg -s
Aug 02 14:35:59 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, maybe mwester can enlighten use :)
Aug 02 14:36:06 <DocScrutinizer> mwester: isn't that a clear bug in the driver?
Aug 02 14:36:17 <mrmoku> brb
Aug 02 14:36:25 <PaulFertser> mwester: here setting flowcontrol to crtscts and then issuing AT commands with "cat" worked. Didn't work without using stty first.
Aug 02 14:37:15 <DocScrutinizer> there's something fishy. Not very straight failure-mode anyway
Aug 02 14:38:44 <mwester> PaulFertser,  my first attempts to issue an AT@POFF in a /etc/init.d/  shutdown script failed without some complicated scripting to run most of the script redirected to /dev/ttySAC0, so as to avoid having echo and read repeatedly open/close the tty port (and I had to have the stty command in there too, because resetting the port before each read or echo didn't work either.)
Aug 02 14:39:32 <mwester> PaulFertser,  maybe there's something different about echo/read vs cat, or maybe it's a difference between the debian full version vs the busybox versions of those commands.
Aug 02 14:39:35 <mwester> Whatever...
Aug 02 14:39:56 <PaulFertser> mwester: hm, i think i used "echo", not "cat", sorry for misinformation.
Aug 02 14:40:11 <PaulFertser> mwester: and yes, i didn't check if close() resets some settings.
Aug 02 14:40:55 <mwester> DocScrutinizer I would say the entire tty mechanism is a bug.  But the maintainers for the tty mechanism do not feel there are any problems with it.   I was so annoyed by the entire mechanism that I proposed we create a simple, single-purpose UART driver for the gsm (/dev/gsm0 for example).
Aug 02 14:41:43 <PaulFertser> mwester: here's another log, this time with crtscts and both open and close: http://pastebin.com/m34fbaff2
Aug 02 14:44:11 <DocScrutinizer> mwester: absolutely parallel to my thoughts and findings (even for controlling a steppermotor over rs232 on desktop)
Aug 02 14:45:05 <DocScrutinizer> mwester: so full support from my side for your approach
Aug 02 14:45:46 <mwester> PaulFertser,  what is it that we are doing here?  Are we exploring the tty driver (because you don't need me to help with that!) or are we "arguing" about my earlier findings (because I'll happily state that those were on a very old kernel (2.6.21 or so), and very old distros, and may no longer be valid).  If you're trying to see if we can avoid a kernel patch, and set the tty at boot time with an /etc/init.d/ script, then let's write up s
Aug 02 14:45:47 <mwester> uch a script, and try it.
Aug 02 14:45:48 <DocScrutinizer> I tried to sort out tty driver issues myself, but got irrecoverbly lost in src-includes 
Aug 02 14:46:55 <PaulFertser> mwester: not arguing, just trying to reproduce.
Aug 02 14:47:51 <PaulFertser> mwester: and i'm not sure that tty settings is something that makes us troubles atm. Sudden GPS failures that dos1|away experienced look like something more fishy.
Aug 02 14:48:16 <DocScrutinizer> mwester: PaulFertser: first we need a clear precise story about what *is* and what *should be*. Then it's trivial to decide how to best tackle it
Aug 02 14:49:46 <DocScrutinizer> there IS (and always has been) strange issues with ttys. We should one and for all sort them out
Aug 02 14:50:31 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: requires a real hacker who can also reproduce it :(
Aug 02 14:50:53 <DocScrutinizer> hhhmh. true
Aug 02 14:50:56 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Aug 02 14:57:35 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r46139366f8ea 10/libfsobasics/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
Aug 02 14:57:35 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: libfsobasics: logger: new API Logger.createFromKeyFile( SmartKeyFile smk, string domain) to create a logger
Aug 02 14:57:35 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: from an entry in a configuration file
Aug 02 14:59:13 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: mwester: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Serial-HOWTO.html et al. Maybe we might learn? :-)
Aug 02 15:00:40 <DocScrutinizer> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Serial_Programming/Serial_Linux
Aug 02 15:04:11 <bumbl> mrmoku:  how does the build go?
Aug 02 15:08:32 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/battery_q_and_a.txt
Aug 02 15:09:08 <DocScrutinizer> k, but takes a few hours. me away for RL now
Aug 02 15:09:25 <mrmoku> bumbl, still bad
Aug 02 15:09:45 <mrmoku> bumbl, but still working on it
Aug 02 15:09:56 <PaulFertser> Others are free to take part in asking questions and giving answers too! :)
Aug 02 15:17:35 <bumbl> mrmoku: ;( 
Aug 02 15:18:27 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: (battery_q_and_a.txt) ACK. No flaws or errors found
Aug 02 15:19:03 <DocScrutinizer> shall I upload to ppl.om/joerg/paulF ?
Aug 02 15:19:23 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: josch says that his gta01 doesn't charge nokia batteries (not sure of this one) and that his nokia phones for sure don't charge gta01 battery.
Aug 02 15:19:26 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: not yet
Aug 02 15:19:33 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i think i'll wikify it once it's ready.
Aug 02 15:19:36 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: seems no recamping yet
Aug 02 15:19:44 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: yayaya
Aug 02 15:19:46 <PaulFertser> :D
Aug 02 15:20:12 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: Q-Master is using X5R that is supposedely bad in general but hopefully good enough for this particular purpose.
Aug 02 15:20:19 <DocScrutinizer> (no charge of 01-bat on nokia) think gta01-bat has a rather different thermistor-value than BL-5C
Aug 02 15:20:22 <Wonka> is it a good idea to just connect 5V to +/- of battery?
Aug 02 15:20:36 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: btw my googling skills failed to provide me with X5R or X7R specs.
Aug 02 15:20:53 <PaulFertser> Wonka: 5V is a bit on the upper limit.
Aug 02 15:21:06 <PaulFertser> Wonka: and GSM might not work since it needs really stable supply.
Aug 02 15:21:21 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i failed to found gta01 battery thermistor value too :(
Aug 02 15:21:22 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: GSM might break on 5V
Aug 02 15:21:33 <Wonka> I meant for charging bat out of device
Aug 02 15:21:34 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r02db0e7d61c4 10/libfsoframework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libfsoframework: catch up with libfsobasics API addition
Aug 02 15:21:51 <DocScrutinizer> (thermistor value) I'll provide that later on
Aug 02 15:21:57 <DocScrutinizer> ping me please
Aug 02 15:21:57 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks :)
Aug 02 15:22:56 <Wonka> also, I looked into http://www.instructables.com/id/MintyBoost!---Small-battery-powered-USB-charger/ - too bad there seems to be no stepup circuit doing 500mA@5V :/
Aug 02 15:23:17 <DocScrutinizer> (btw I noticed this when reding the text, but wasn't sure about it so didn't mention it. Anyway it was the only point where I thought "hmm, might this be fuzzy/unclear/unaproved?")
Aug 02 15:24:02 <DocScrutinizer> afaik GTA01-bat has 8K whereas BL5C has 60k
Aug 02 15:24:16 <DocScrutinizer> but, ping me later please
Aug 02 15:24:18 <DocScrutinizer> cya
Aug 02 15:26:02 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: why x5r is bad?
Aug 02 15:26:29 <DocScrutinizer> +20%/-80%
Aug 02 15:27:35 <DocScrutinizer> Q-Master: ^
Aug 02 15:28:30 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: i think you can download the datasheet for the cap you bought (it's murata after all, it has datasheet) and check yourself.
Aug 02 15:31:53 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: heh... your advise is like I'll advise you dloading some java docs to understand why something you're doing(by advise of other) is not so good.
Aug 02 15:32:19 <DocScrutinizer> Q-Master: +20%/-80%
Aug 02 15:32:35 <DocScrutinizer> MINUS EIGHTY
Aug 02 15:32:36 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: i can read java docs, no?
Aug 02 15:34:35 <Q-Master> DocScrutinizer: so? -80 percent what?
Aug 02 15:34:38 <DocScrutinizer> Q-Master: X5R isn't bad if you choose to use a 68uF when you're supposed to use a 10uF
Aug 02 15:35:06 <Q-Master> DocScrutinizer: ok.
Aug 02 15:37:02 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: the DS says its +-15% actually
Aug 02 15:37:13 <DocScrutinizer> Q-Master: FR uses X5R for this capacitor, which might be part of the problem
Aug 02 15:37:25 <PaulFertser> (In -55 -- 85 C range)
Aug 02 15:38:10 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, maybe my memory sucks. have to reread the correspondence
Aug 02 15:38:32 <DocScrutinizer> not even sure if it's been X5R
Aug 02 15:40:42 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/x5r.ps
Aug 02 15:42:12 <DocScrutinizer> Y5V -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIA_Class_2_dielectric
Aug 02 15:42:34 <DocScrutinizer> X5R is a "good" class
Aug 02 15:42:42 <PaulFertser> hehe
Aug 02 15:42:44 <DocScrutinizer> FR uses Y5V
Aug 02 15:43:00 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
Aug 02 15:43:33 <BluesLee> how do i boot from nand if i have 4 partitions on sd fat+1st ext+2nd ext+3rd ext and only 2nd ext is bootable?
Aug 02 15:43:45 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: the real capacitors dismounted from gta02 were ~7-8uF
Aug 02 15:43:48 <BluesLee> i tried to do some aux's but it didnt worked
Aug 02 15:44:09 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: too hard to actually do that with Qi i'm afraid.
Aug 02 15:44:12 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: yep, it's a range
Aug 02 15:44:25 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: that means even 8uF is not enough.
Aug 02 15:44:41 <PaulFertser> No matter what rating is, 10uF-rated cap is not enough there.
Aug 02 15:44:42 <BluesLee> PaulFertser: hmmm, what is the problem?
Aug 02 15:45:10 <DocScrutinizer> sure, we have spotted a layout bug which is the root cause
Aug 02 15:45:11 <BluesLee> PaulFertser: to much partitions? or sd/nand in parallel issues?
Aug 02 15:45:23 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: You need to press AUX at exactly the right time. Probably several times.
Aug 02 15:45:38 <DocScrutinizer> the higher capacitor is a bandaid
Aug 02 15:46:17 <BluesLee> PaulFertser: i could remove the last two partitions, so it would be easier
Aug 02 15:46:31 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: i'm not sure it matters,
Aug 02 15:46:51 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: i'd need to recheck to be more sure and to actually try myself to be 100% sure ;)
Aug 02 15:47:01 <BluesLee> okay
Aug 02 15:50:27 <DocScrutinizer> use uboot, sucker ;-P
Aug 02 15:59:16 <BluesLee> haha
Aug 02 15:59:25 <BluesLee> uboot drove me crazy
Aug 02 15:59:46 <BluesLee> i remember the weekend where i lost my uboot-env
Aug 02 16:00:40 <DocScrutinizer> the weekend wher I lost my mind... ;-D
Aug 02 16:01:33 <DocScrutinizer> well, at least uboot env is the way to cope with complex situations like the one you described
Aug 02 16:02:35 <DocScrutinizer> Qi is explicitly designed NOT to cope with things like this
Aug 02 16:04:53 <BluesLee> why qi was implemented instead of improving uboot?
Aug 02 16:05:25 <DocScrutinizer> to simplify things around bootloader
Aug 02 16:05:43 <DocScrutinizer> qi was planned for gta03
Aug 02 16:06:22 <dos1> BluesLee: that's why qi is SD oriented - in gta03 no NAND was planned
Aug 02 16:06:41 <DocScrutinizer> the idea ... was what dos1 said
Aug 02 16:06:50 <BluesLee> and as there is no gta03 ...
Aug 02 16:07:54 <dos1> Qi is still nice if you want Linux to do everything
Aug 02 16:08:09 <dos1> like nice GUI for selecting system from initrd
Aug 02 16:08:22 <DocScrutinizer> via kexec
Aug 02 16:08:30 <dos1> yep
Aug 02 16:11:09 <DocScrutinizer> the objections against uboot were it's a concurrent OS rather than a mere bootloader. We don't wan't to maintain two OS. So we invented Qi for a really basic BL which does nothing more than load a basic linux which is as fast and small and more versatile than this nasty uboot
Aug 02 16:12:49 <dos1> Qi is ok, i'm using it, but selecting partitions via AUX could be done better ;P
Aug 02 16:12:58 <DocScrutinizer> either you use this initial kernel to crank up the whole system based on it, or you do with this small linux exactly what you did with uboot before
Aug 02 16:14:10 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: ask andy about how to improve this ;-D Answer: discard the whole feature, doesn't meet the design guideline
Aug 02 16:15:59 <dos1> hehe ;)
Aug 02 16:17:09 <dos1> but what happened with initrd project?
Aug 02 16:17:28 <dos1> there was something like that on maillist some time ago
Aug 02 16:17:36 <dos1> but i didn't hear anything about it ;x
Aug 02 16:22:51 * PaulFertser didn't think that soldering only that big cap for the buzz fix can be that hard and dangerous :(
Aug 02 16:23:48 <dos1> PaulFertser: talking about touch screen breakage?
Aug 02 16:23:50 <PaulFertser> dos1: yes
Aug 02 16:24:15 <dos1> soldering can be hard and dangerous...
Aug 02 16:24:39 <dos1> for instance when i'm soldering it *have to* be hard and dangerous ;D
Aug 02 16:32:28 <bumbl> dos1: i never got aux to change from µsd partition to nand
Aug 02 16:32:46 <bumbl> (pressing the aux button the right moment is near to impossible)
Aug 02 16:39:55 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: i did
Aug 02 16:40:01 <PaulFertser> bumbl: i did.
Aug 02 16:40:18 <PaulFertser> bumbl: the time is exactly in the end of first led blink
Aug 02 16:40:20 <BluesLee> PaulFertser: you did what?
Aug 02 16:40:29 <BluesLee> ahh okay
Aug 02 16:40:34 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: sorry, i did skip my only uSD partition and booted from NAND.
Aug 02 16:40:44 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: i do it whenever i can't boot from uSD.
Aug 02 16:51:29 <Q-Master> dos1: opimd-contacts work, but doesn't show all my phonebook
Aug 02 16:52:03 <dos1> Q-Master: it shows 20 at first screen (i want to make pages) and 3 when searching
Aug 02 16:52:36 <dos1> Q-Master: searching works correctly?
Aug 02 16:52:42 <dos1> Q-Master: you can exit from search by enter
Aug 02 16:53:19 <Q-Master> dos1: let me test
Aug 02 16:55:26 <Q-Master> dos1: not working. errlog in priv msg
Aug 02 16:55:39 <dos1> Q-Master: it works, you just wanted to test with strange chars ;P
Aug 02 16:55:50 <dos1> i'll fix it
Aug 02 17:04:39 <bumbl_> PaulFertser: how long do you press teh aux button
Aug 02 17:06:49 <PaulFertser> bumbl_: short press
Aug 02 17:07:00 <PaulFertser> bumbl_: it doesn't matter how long to press, it matters when to do it.
Aug 02 17:09:23 <PaulFertser> Hm, does anyone have an idea of what's going on at the "support" ML? I've never read it.
Aug 02 17:09:46 <PaulFertser> I just posted the battery Q&A document to the community.
Aug 02 17:15:05 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: you could add a URL-pointer to bq27k-logger script at ppl.om/joerg ;-)
Aug 02 17:15:18 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: right, i should
Aug 02 17:17:06 <TAsn> WTF, dos1 who wrote litephone?
Aug 02 17:17:12 <TAsn> never heard of it till now.
Aug 02 17:17:25 <TAsn> and in what lang?
Aug 02 17:17:29 <TAsn> where can I find source at?
Aug 02 17:17:35 <dos1> TAsn: C++, Qt, and that's one guy from Poland
Aug 02 17:17:46 <dos1> and it's using opimd, but AFAIK wrongly ;D
Aug 02 17:17:50 <TAsn> :)
Aug 02 17:17:52 <TAsn> hehe.
Aug 02 17:18:02 <TAsn> too bad, thought it will make everything easier (porting to efl)
Aug 02 17:26:09 <GNUtoo> hi mickeyl 
Aug 02 17:27:00 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, I've noticied something about the sound....I've not used the G1 as a phone yet but it seems that the main cpu and the baseband one have spearate speakers
Aug 02 17:28:25 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
Aug 02 17:28:53 <GNUtoo> yes spying-wise it's not good
Aug 02 17:29:01 <GNUtoo> but porting would be easier
Aug 02 17:29:01 <GNUtoo> so it depend on the point of view
Aug 02 17:29:07 <GNUtoo> but openmoko has gps connected to baseband
Aug 02 17:29:12 <DocScrutinizer> GNUtoo: don't you confuse spk and earpiece?
Aug 02 17:29:12 <GNUtoo> so I wonder who's worse
Aug 02 17:29:20 <GNUtoo> no I mean speaker inside the phone
Aug 02 17:29:37 <alphaone> GNUtoo: GPS connected to baseband?
Aug 02 17:29:38 <alphaone> Huh?
Aug 02 17:29:45 <alphaone> Where'd you get that from?
Aug 02 17:30:00 <GNUtoo> maybe from an harald welte presentation
Aug 02 17:30:14 <GNUtoo> the one at CCC about smartphones hardware
Aug 02 17:30:21 <DocScrutinizer> errrr ???
Aug 02 17:30:34 <GNUtoo> I would be happy to be wrong
Aug 02 17:30:49 <GNUtoo> but I heard that it was connected to main CPU and baseband
Aug 02 17:31:07 <DocScrutinizer> don't worry, be happy then :D
Aug 02 17:31:15 <GNUtoo> ???
Aug 02 17:31:29 <alphaone> It's wrong
Aug 02 17:31:34 <GNUtoo> wow
Aug 02 17:31:40 <GNUtoo> so that's great
Aug 02 17:31:40 <alphaone> GPS ist connected to the main CPU via serial line
Aug 02 17:31:47 <GNUtoo> ah ok
Aug 02 17:31:55 <GNUtoo> I'll look at the schematics
Aug 02 17:32:00 <dos1> german... :P
Aug 02 17:32:08 <dos1> "GPS ist connected"
Aug 02 17:32:09 <dos1> ;)
Aug 02 17:32:10 <DocScrutinizer> baseband and GPS don't share a single component or trace
Aug 02 17:32:15 <alphaone> ah, damn
Aug 02 17:32:30 <alphaone> dos1: Yeah, the t sometimes slips in there...
Aug 02 17:32:45 <dos1> hehe ;)
Aug 02 17:33:07 <GNUtoo> wow
Aug 02 17:33:23 <dos1> GNUtoo: did you really mean GPS, not GSM? ;x
Aug 02 17:33:50 <GNUtoo> I meant gsm+main-cpu were connected to gps
Aug 02 17:33:55 <GNUtoo> but I was wrong
Aug 02 17:34:14 <DocScrutinizer> nah, some modems come with GPS builtin. E.G the one used at M800
Aug 02 17:34:14 <GNUtoo> http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/9/9a/SimpleComponentDiagram.jpg
Aug 02 17:34:17 <GNUtoo> is missleading?
Aug 02 17:34:37 <GNUtoo> calypso and gps share UART
Aug 02 17:34:52 <GNUtoo> s/calypso and gps share UART/
Aug 02 17:35:03 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Aug 02 17:35:06 <GNUtoo> ???
Aug 02 17:35:12 <DocScrutinizer> dedicated lines
Aug 02 17:35:16 <GNUtoo> ah ok
Aug 02 17:35:21 <DocScrutinizer> exclusive usage
Aug 02 17:35:23 <GNUtoo> wow
Aug 02 17:35:24 <GNUtoo> thanks a lot
Aug 02 17:35:32 <GNUtoo> it was a miss interpretation of the schematics then
Aug 02 17:36:37 <DocScrutinizer> GNUtoo: nevertheless you're right for M800 version of OM
Aug 02 17:36:48 <GNUtoo> ok
Aug 02 17:36:53 <GNUtoo> a friend has m810
Aug 02 17:37:13 <dos1> Q-Master: try now
Aug 02 17:37:14 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r2ab246862cb0 10/opimd-contacts: Fix GUI a little and make UTF-8 chars working with search
Aug 02 17:37:21 <DocScrutinizer> err, sorry, not sure about M800. Correct for OMNIA 900i
Aug 02 17:38:37 <DocScrutinizer> anyway quite a number of UMTs-modems come with GPS built-in. So maybe that's why you got it this way
Aug 02 17:44:15 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r74528d0cdab7 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/ (fsobasics-2.0.vapi logger.vala smartkeyfile.vala): libfsobasics: logger: add missing reprdelegate for syslog logger
Aug 02 17:44:53 <TAsn> Ainulindale, I hope you'll like my new mail in core team, as I know the topic is very close to your heart :)
Aug 02 17:46:52 <GNUtoo> Ainulindale, hi did you read my mail? the one you should publish(and modify if you want)
Aug 02 17:47:02 <dos1> Q-Master: is it working now?
Aug 02 17:47:10 <dos1> ...
Aug 02 17:50:47 <F4t> guys, whats "moko-stock" from "libmokoui"?
Aug 02 17:53:32 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r56106d5728ce 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): require libfsobasics and start converting all debug output to FSO logger
Aug 02 17:53:52 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rb5aa84e8fae5 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: cleanup, cosmetic changes for regexp in query
Aug 02 17:54:32 <dos1> F4t: i think libmokoui isn't maintained :x
Aug 02 17:54:47 <dos1> maybe stock icons?
Aug 02 17:55:00 <F4t> looks to me like a bunch of deines for no reason....
Aug 02 17:55:13 <F4t> http://docs.openmoko.org/references/libmokoui2_r3462/doc/reference/html/libmokoui2-moko-stock.html
Aug 02 17:55:19 <F4t> defines*
Aug 02 17:55:44 <mickeyl> stock icons, yes
Aug 02 17:56:03 <mickeyl> the idea was to extend the gtk-icon-set with a set of icons relevant for smartphone apps
Aug 02 17:56:08 <dos1>  Register the OpenMoko stock icons for use with stock icon functions.
Aug 02 17:56:14 <dos1> at the end of that html file
Aug 02 17:56:15 <dos1> ;)
Aug 02 17:56:30 <F4t> dos1, oh, didnt read till the end
Aug 02 18:12:54 <TAsn> F4t, lazy bum!
Aug 02 18:13:01 * TAsn also didn't read it till the end.
Aug 02 18:14:18 <TAsn> mrmoku, sup? (how's testing?) :)
Aug 02 18:14:33 <mrmoku> TAsn, go away :P
Aug 02 18:14:40 <mrmoku> TAsn, still no good builds :(
Aug 02 18:14:47 * TAsn feels bad that he singlehanded 
Aug 02 18:14:50 <TAsn> bah,
Aug 02 18:14:53 <TAsn> killed the testing
Aug 02 18:14:58 <TAsn> (with the opkg patch)
Aug 02 18:14:59 <TAsn> :)
Aug 02 18:15:11 <TAsn> testing image.
Aug 02 18:15:19 <TAsn> bah, I accidentally pressed "return" ;(
Aug 02 18:15:24 <mrmoku> TAsn, no, stranger problems
Aug 02 18:15:38 <TAsn> mrmoku, I know, but before those, you had the problems I caused...
Aug 02 18:15:40 <TAsn> mrmoku, what now?
Aug 02 18:16:04 * mrmoku checks if there's some new mail in oe-devel
Aug 02 18:16:19 * TAsn suggests there's new mail in shr-core :)
Aug 02 18:16:38 * mrmoku reads about phonegui future...
Aug 02 18:16:54 * TAsn is now happy.
Aug 02 18:16:54 <dos1> mrmoku: [19:53] <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: mickey libgsm0710mux * r56106d5728ce / (6 files in 2 dirs): require libfsobasics and start converting all debug output to FSO logger
Aug 02 18:20:17 <mrmoku> dos1, and?
Aug 02 18:20:43 <dos1> mrmoku: so shouldn't we add dependency into recipe?
Aug 02 18:20:50 <mrmoku> dos1, already did that
Aug 02 18:20:55 <dos1> ok :)
Aug 02 18:21:01 <mrmoku> :)
Aug 02 18:22:33 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw
Aug 02 18:22:42 <TAsn> this mail was just an attempt to start the discussions
Aug 02 18:22:57 <TAsn> as I think it should be our no.#1 deving priority
Aug 02 18:23:03 <TAsn> we should fucking support opimd already! :(
Aug 02 18:23:18 <mrmoku> yep, we're stuck for too long now
Aug 02 18:23:22 <TAsn> mrmoku, aye.
Aug 02 18:23:27 <TAsn> and it's easy as hell doing so.
Aug 02 18:23:39 <TAsn> or at least starting doing so.
Aug 02 18:23:56 <mrmoku> bbiab... got to bring some kid to bed ;)
Aug 02 18:23:58 <TAsn> anyhow, workout, ciao for the meanwhile.
Aug 02 18:24:01 <TAsn> mrmoku, enjoy ;)
Aug 02 18:27:22 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * re7e40f39ebf6 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: dispose unneeded queries
Aug 02 18:27:37 <dos1> TAsn: for me starting is always the hardest part of doing something
Aug 02 18:27:44 <dos1> TAsn: at second place is finishing ;)
Aug 02 18:28:10 <TAsn> dos1, ok, I have an idea
Aug 02 18:28:12 <TAsn> I'll start
Aug 02 18:28:15 <TAsn> you'll do the work
Aug 02 18:28:22 <TAsn> and I'll do the finishing touches :)
Aug 02 18:28:27 <TAsn> how does that sound like?
Aug 02 18:28:27 <dos1> ;D
Aug 02 18:28:55 <dos1> it depends what you mean by starting ;)
Aug 02 18:29:45 <dos1> i can work on new gui, as i'm practising now with opimd-utils
Aug 02 18:30:04 <dos1> opimd-notifier is so great, i don't believe that was me who wrote it :D
Aug 02 18:30:35 <dos1> opimd-messages is crap, cause i'm lazy (as always ;D), but i want to make some good ui in opimd-contacts
Aug 02 18:32:30 <dos1> which could be template for our new phonegui
Aug 02 18:38:36 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-08-02 15:56:44] <Heinervdm> BluesLee: when dos1 has finished GenericDomain i will add DatesDomain to opimd
Aug 02 18:38:37 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-08-02 15:57:12] <DocScrutinizer> add a FRONTEND eventually
Aug 02 18:39:28 <Heinervdm> DocScrutinizer: Frontend for dates?
Aug 02 18:39:39 <DocScrutinizer> frontend to opimd
Aug 02 18:40:07 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: there are few in opimd-utils and litephone
Aug 02 18:40:13 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-08-02 20:23:03] <TAsn> we should fucking support opimd already! :(
Aug 02 18:40:14 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-08-02 20:23:18] <mrmoku> yep, we're stuck for too long now
Aug 02 18:40:21 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: and now we're talking about having opimd frontend in SHR
Aug 02 18:40:54 <dos1> as when we'll rewrite phonegui, then we will use opimd from design
Aug 02 18:41:17 <dos1> as i don't think porting phonegui-efl to opimd is good approach :x
Aug 02 18:41:40 <TAsn> dos1, I'm not sure you are right.
Aug 02 18:41:51 <dos1> TAsn: where?
Aug 02 18:42:01 <TAsn> about rewriting phonegui
Aug 02 18:42:08 <TAsn> actually we should
Aug 02 18:42:12 <TAsn> nvm ;)
Aug 02 18:42:37 <TAsn> as it's poorly written ;)
Aug 02 18:42:43 <dos1> TAsn: by "rewrite phonegui" i mean "write our new API"
Aug 02 18:42:45 <TAsn> so nvm my last remark.
Aug 02 18:42:48 <dos1> s/wrtie/implement/
Aug 02 18:42:52 <TAsn> dos1, aye.
Aug 02 18:43:03 <dos1> s/wrtie/write/
Aug 02 18:43:04 <dos1> ;D
Aug 02 18:43:41 <TAsn> bah, workout again.
Aug 02 18:49:26 <Heinervdm> isn't opimd implemented in phonegui-efl2?
Aug 02 18:50:10 <dos1> Heinervdm: it is, but crappy :(
Aug 02 18:50:31 <dos1> it segfaults, only contacts are implemented and with only Name and Phone fields
Aug 02 18:50:53 <Heinervdm> ok
Aug 02 18:50:59 <dos1> mrmoku: btw, export ELM_THEME=sixteen :)
Aug 02 18:52:02 <mrmoku> yeah, saw that somewhere :)
Aug 02 18:52:33 <mrmoku> as soon as building works again we should vote for a switch ;)
Aug 02 19:00:35 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: so, no answer yet from OE folks?
Aug 02 19:02:33 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, no
Aug 02 19:03:13 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, I'm restudying log.do_rootfs now... carefully
Aug 02 19:07:39 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: oh, that OE thing always hurts...
Aug 02 19:48:35 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: what's up with your charger?
Aug 02 19:49:19 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rdf3b7cd937fa 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: escape regexps before quering and use pager in ui
Aug 02 19:49:26 <dos1> oh, i don't really know where it is ;x
Aug 02 19:49:53 <dos1> it had something with cable near usb connector
Aug 02 19:50:05 <dos1> sometimes it charged, but when i moved it, it stopped
Aug 02 19:50:27 <dos1> with time it was harder and harder to get it in correct possition
Aug 02 19:51:03 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I'd prefer to get the old one in turn for a spare to send to you
Aug 02 19:52:23 <DocScrutinizer> I also would prefer a sticker with your address to simply apply to the package you send and throw in the new charger and close, seal, postage and send the package
Aug 02 19:52:32 <Sharwin_F> is it safe to opkg upgrade unstable? as I've been reading that all new images are broken, it's better to ask :P
Aug 02 19:52:44 <DocScrutinizer> rather than find a box myself and write your address ;-)
Aug 02 19:59:53 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: !!!
Aug 02 20:00:08 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: do you have OABI enabled for gta01 finally?
Aug 02 20:02:58 <TAsn> Prayers for Bobby <-- nice movie.
Aug 02 20:04:55 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, I would certainly hope so...
Aug 02 20:05:47 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: Linux om-gta01 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jul 3 17:49:20 CEST 2009 armv4tl unknown
Aug 02 20:06:22 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: he says zcat /proc/config.gz | grep OABI gives # CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT is not set
Aug 02 20:06:32 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: is the image too old?
Aug 02 20:06:57 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: when was the change?
Aug 02 20:07:45 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, let me check my mailbox...
Aug 02 20:09:09 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, on 12.7. I sent the mail that its fixed
Aug 02 20:09:14 <mrmoku> so yes, kernel is too old
Aug 02 20:10:07 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: ok, thanks, sorry for disturbing :)
Aug 02 20:11:22 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, np :)
Aug 02 20:22:40 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: have you seen my battery Q&A mail?
Aug 02 20:22:42 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: or page?
Aug 02 20:23:08 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: probably it should be crossposted to some shr list to educate your users, or do most of them read community?
Aug 02 20:29:10 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: do you know if the concept of FSO "resources" is documented in an end-user readable way anywhere? I'm so tired of stupid questions that i'm ready to make a wikipage about resources and fsoraw right now...
Aug 02 20:33:04 * von_fritz haves a noname bat for nok 6600 1300mAh smaller then the original for GTA02 :) but doubts on the 1300mAh :)  
Aug 02 20:34:08 <PaulFertser> von_fritz: you read what i've written about noname bats, right? ;)
Aug 02 20:37:19 * von_fritz loves explosions in his pocket :D
Aug 02 20:38:46 <von_fritz> well i use it only for booting when the original bat is to empty for booting ;)
Aug 02 20:42:03 <dos1> PaulFertser: AFAIR it is in docs.freesmartphone.org
Aug 02 20:42:15 <dos1> PaulFertser: there is some kind of introduction to Usage interface
Aug 02 20:42:32 <PaulFertser> dos1: ok, i'll borrow from that, thanks
Aug 02 20:49:07 <mrmoku> PaulFertser, yeah, don't know anything else than docs.freesmartphone.org
Aug 02 20:49:27 <mrmoku> anyway... reading rootfs log is tiresome.... going to bed now :P
Aug 02 20:49:29 <mrmoku> night all
Aug 02 20:55:37 * Weiss just spent most of a weekend in pain writing some test programs... only to find that the thing he's testing works absolutely perfectly
Aug 02 20:58:46 <DocScrutinizer> I'd call it a perfect weekend then ;-P
Aug 02 21:27:09 <usr> i was curios about to create a dynamic-gui, where buttons and their events are created on runtime (python-elementary) 
Aug 02 21:29:19 <usr> i was not able to create the definitions for my button-clicked events
Aug 02 21:38:45 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r89f9dc9904e9 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: contact details, added some non-yet-functional gui elements
Aug 02 21:47:13 * Weiss makes his FR screen go an attractive shade of hot pink using said test program
Aug 02 21:55:33 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources
Aug 02 21:56:30 <usr> what about shr-settings? every time i restart my phone i have to set them again, my settings 
Aug 02 21:56:46 <PaulFertser> usr: which settings exactly are you talking about?
Aug 02 21:57:15 <usr> i talk about the suspend and brightness 
Aug 02 21:58:19 <usr> also auto-dimming it's annoying ^^
Aug 02 21:58:27 <PaulFertser> usr: well, it because shr settings does it the wrong way most probably. Why don't you modify your rules.yaml instead?
Aug 02 21:58:40 <PaulFertser> usr: you know the guy who wrote shr settings, right?
Aug 02 21:58:50 <usr> no?
Aug 02 21:59:34 <PaulFertser> usr: it's dos1, ask him about your issues when you see him next time. But i'd just edit rules.yaml or other config files to do what i want.
Aug 02 22:00:04 <usr> nice... where i find rules.yaml?
Aug 02 22:01:06 <PaulFertser> usr: /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml
Aug 02 22:05:37 <usr> yes ok
Aug 02 22:05:40 <usr> nice....
Aug 02 22:06:01 <usr> and that will be persisten?
Aug 02 22:06:51 <PaulFertser> usr: you edit the file by hand.
Aug 02 22:07:14 <PaulFertser> usr: i'd erase the application that modifies my config without asking immediately ;)
Aug 02 22:07:26 <usr> PaulFertser: ok...
Aug 02 22:08:48 <usr> PaulFertser: what have are your latest projects? 
Aug 02 22:09:14 <PaulFertser> usr: getting dumb battery driver to work on gta02 proved to be more difficult than i first thought but now it's ready.
Aug 02 22:09:36 <usr> so there is an update?
Aug 02 22:09:50 <PaulFertser> usr: yes, SHR has a freshly built kernel already
Aug 02 22:10:03 <lindi-> PaulFertser: btw, is andy's "FIQ's in C" stuff something that will someday go upstream or will FIQ handlers need to be rewritten in assembler?
Aug 02 22:10:29 <PaulFertser> lindi-: tbh i've no idea about kernel policy wrt this
Aug 02 22:10:56 <usr> i once installed shr-unstable one ore two weeks ago and i'd not upgrade, because it will break the whole system
Aug 02 22:11:06 <PaulFertser> usr: you can upgrade just the kernel
Aug 02 22:11:32 <usr> opkg -upgrade kernel modules?
Aug 02 22:11:36 <PaulFertser> usr: imho the ability to fully use dumb batteries (read cheap nokia bl-5/6C) is quite important especially for such a power-hungry device.
Aug 02 22:12:18 <PaulFertser> usr: hm, you need to upgrade both kernel and modules, i guess SHR does that for you somehow i just don't know how exactly.
Aug 02 22:14:10 <usr> i don't think so... i had to opkg upgrade kernel kernel-modules
Aug 02 22:14:51 <usr> but until the next reboot i wont be sure if that's enough ^^ 
Aug 02 22:15:12 <PaulFertser> usr: ok, just ensure you use today's (or yesterday's) kernel and modules, and don't forget to reboot ;)
Aug 02 22:15:23 <usr> Configuring kernel-module-gta01-battery
Aug 02 22:15:38 <usr> that's your work?
Aug 02 22:16:01 <usr> i have a gta02
Aug 02 22:16:01 <PaulFertser> usr: yes
Aug 02 22:16:20 <usr> i hope my phone is not broken
Aug 02 22:16:32 <PaulFertser> usr: probably we'll rename the module.
Aug 02 22:16:43 <usr> all the mess for an gta01 driver... ^^
Aug 02 22:17:03 <PaulFertser> usr: hehe, also i needed to fix quite some nasty bugs in gta02 drivers to make that work ;)
Aug 02 22:18:07 <usr> i don't know what you've done but my phone still works... and that's a great thing
Aug 02 22:18:27 <PaulFertser> usr: have you read the battery FAQ already?
Aug 02 22:18:43 <usr> there is one?
Aug 02 22:18:55 <PaulFertser> usr: don't you read the community ML? ;)
Aug 02 22:19:12 <PaulFertser> usr: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers
Aug 02 22:21:18 <usr> My battery charges to 100% but then charging stops and the battery keeps discharging, wtf? ^^
Aug 02 22:22:49 <usr> and now my phone is charging,... i had a full battery... shit
Aug 02 22:23:37 <usr> no it's full again
Aug 02 22:25:48 <usr> PaulFerster: there is one bug i remember when the battery was empty the phone appeared to be dead, even if plugged to a charger. is this bug solved?
Aug 02 22:26:48 <PaulFertser> usr: with wallcharger you're supposed to be able to boot even with at flat battery.
Aug 02 22:27:48 <PaulFertser> usr: with my PC i'm able to boot my A6 to NOR u-boot without any battery whatsover. It doesn't work with my laptop though.
Aug 02 22:28:40 <usr> ok... and will the phone indicate charging?
Aug 02 22:29:30 <usr> on an empty battery while it's plugged?
Aug 02 22:29:53 <usr> should be... got it on my samsung ^^
Aug 02 22:30:56 <PaulFertser> usr: if you manage to boot it ;)
Aug 02 22:31:05 <usr> that's it
Aug 02 22:31:22 <PaulFertser> usr: wiki already has plenty of tips for flat battery
Aug 02 22:31:37 <usr> sure,...
Aug 02 22:31:57 <usr> but there must be something else...
Aug 02 22:32:18 <usr> event-trigger  by qi for charging
Aug 02 22:32:24 <usr> right?
Aug 02 22:32:37 <PaulFertser> usr: Qi boots in 100mA, so the kernel can do that too. Something very small is missing to get that working.
Aug 02 22:33:11 <PaulFertser> usr: there're so many guys with debug board who have a FR, why don't they just do it?
Aug 02 22:34:05 <usr> hmm, you mean there is not enough energy to boot sth.?
Aug 02 22:34:11 <PaulFertser> Anyway, /me away. Good night everybody.
Aug 02 22:34:36 <usr> lol
Aug 02 22:34:38 <usr> cu
Aug 02 22:34:51 <PaulFertser> usr: i mean that if the boot in 100mA worked you'd not need any special tricks to boot at all and once booted the kernel will charge as expected.
Aug 02 22:34:57 <PaulFertser> Fuck
Aug 03 02:38:47 <budfive_> anybody here used gdb with the ...-dbg packages made by OE?
Aug 03 02:39:26 <budfive_> can I debug with the source? So far, I can look at the disassembly only
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