**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 04 02:59:57 2009
Aug 04 03:31:43 <tmzt> raster: well I found this, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libmatchbox2/matchbox/comp-mgr/mb-wm-comp-mgr-xrender.c
Aug 04 03:31:55 <tmzt> so maybe it's not only clutter
Aug 04 04:17:41 <Q-Master> morning!
Aug 04 04:19:37 <Undrwater> evening ;)
Aug 04 07:12:09 <DocScrutinizer> toooooo early :-(
Aug 04 08:54:26 <methril|work> good morning
Aug 04 09:08:40 <tmzt> Weiss: do you what shadowfb in X means?
Aug 04 09:58:42 <Weiss> tmzt: if i understand correctly, it means you have a copy of the framebuffer in system RAM (not VRAM), and only copy to VRAM at the last minute
Aug 04 09:58:55 <Weiss> but it's not something i've looked into properly..
Aug 04 10:00:51 <tmzt> oh, that probably won't help much
Aug 04 10:01:00 <tmzt> I need proper double buffering/backbuffer in X
Aug 04 10:01:26 <tmzt> looks like borrowing stuff from dri2 might work, even without dri/drm
Aug 04 10:27:56 <Weiss> tmzt: yeah, there's active work on pageflipping being done at the moment
Aug 04 10:30:39 <tmzt> Weiss: okay, any idea if it can work without dri?
Aug 04 10:33:55 <Weiss> maybe, if you don't have to synchronise with any other accelerated access
Aug 04 10:34:20 <Weiss> i haven't investigated it yet, but i think it's perfect for our case
Aug 04 11:12:20 <dos1> i saw that mickey|zzZZzz reverted this commit - http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?h=shr/import with reason "no more patches will be accepted until branch became stable" ;D
Aug 04 11:12:23 <dos1> err, http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?h=shr/import&id=1378a82a93d10d9e7865511b6acd6ea827824812
Aug 04 11:13:00 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * ra5bbf7f58fd1 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: don't display prefix in field selector
Aug 04 11:13:00 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r884b0eaf723b 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: fix bug with displaying multiple values of custom field
Aug 04 11:13:00 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r465bccb514ba 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: make displaying multiple values of custom field better
Aug 04 11:13:02 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r696896162adb 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: a little tweak-up of contact view
Aug 04 11:13:05 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r306686eee203 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: display_contact: if data = None, then download contact data from opimd
Aug 04 11:13:10 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r9543dbd7c274 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: add missing utf8_to_markup in few places
Aug 04 11:13:13 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rccc021009230 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: don't fail if contact doesn't have name
Aug 04 11:13:16 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * raae7804c7bea 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: don't assume field values are always strings
Aug 04 11:13:22 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r0376d68489fa 10/opimd-messages: opimd-messages: restore correct message order after recent opimd changes
Aug 04 11:13:34 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r03ecb69288e5 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: pass data as nawed argument in display_contact
Aug 04 11:13:34 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r4c5b352b5b73 10/opimd-cli: opimd-cli: fix possible problem when quering
Aug 04 11:13:34 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r6518bc09392e 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: add "Not implemented yet" to New and Edit buttons
Aug 04 11:24:40 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: you nasty checkin spammer ;-P
Aug 04 11:24:54 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: morning! :)
Aug 04 11:26:36 <DocScrutinizer> no more patches until branch stable - LOOL
Aug 04 11:27:01 <soltys> hm?
Aug 04 11:27:57 <DocScrutinizer> classic paradox
Aug 04 11:28:07 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: hah ;D
Aug 04 11:28:18 <dos1> soltys: he's talking about my today's dream ;)
Aug 04 11:28:55 <soltys> dos1: ?:P
Aug 04 11:29:54 <dos1> netsplits... ;p
Aug 04 11:30:02 <DocScrutinizer> all over
Aug 04 11:30:47 <DocScrutinizer> hello europe, warewell US ;-)
Aug 04 11:31:50 <soltys> ;)
Aug 04 11:34:26 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku|a`: how's life?
Aug 04 12:29:49 <Ainulindale> mickey|zzZZzz: I have the DVD with our presentations
Aug 04 13:07:34 <Ainulindale> Would anybody know if there's a SOP for #1024 ?
Aug 04 13:15:40 <DocScrutinizer2> not yet
Aug 04 13:15:46 <DocScrutinizer2> possibly never
Aug 04 13:16:35 <DocScrutinizer2> freaking netsplits :-//
Aug 04 13:17:42 <DocScrutinizer2> wolfe.freenode.net in Manchester, England, Uk is gone
Aug 04 13:23:09 <DocScrutinizer2> DocScrutinizer: hey!!! :-))
Aug 04 14:05:04 <mrmoku|a`> DocScrutinizer2, life is fine
Aug 04 14:05:21 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku|a`: hey!! :-D o/
Aug 04 14:05:25 <mrmoku|a`> dos1: (testing image) I know we need one... and you know we can't build one ;)
Aug 04 14:05:43 <dos1> ;)
Aug 04 14:05:52 <dos1> mrmoku: but i'm boooreeeed with unstable so stable :D
Aug 04 14:06:01 <Ainulindale> Ok guys I have all the videos from FSOSHRUDCON and will start to edit them tonight as ptitjes is on holidays
Aug 04 14:06:04 * DocScrutinizer wishes he could get a working unstable image
Aug 04 14:06:06 <mrmoku> dos1, we can't even build an unstable... so
Aug 04 14:06:28 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: What's the problem?
Aug 04 14:06:30 <Ainulindale> I have time now
Aug 04 14:06:43 <Ainulindale> (I'll try to make up with what I have to do later tonight so shoot)
Aug 04 14:06:45 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, good :)
Aug 04 14:07:02 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, problem is that freakin OE does not include all packages
Aug 04 14:07:06 <mrmoku> as it did and should
Aug 04 14:07:15 <dos1> mrmoku: well, but my unstable is working so good. i need something broken, like too new EFL_SRCREV :P
Aug 04 14:08:06 <soltys> dos1: so build that yourself ;)
Aug 04 14:08:12 <soltys> dos1: and test it!
Aug 04 14:08:14 <soltys> ;>
Aug 04 14:08:20 <dos1> soltys: i'm too lazy ;d
Aug 04 14:08:24 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Ok. Please point me to what fails on the buildhost :-)
Aug 04 14:08:30 <soltys> dos1: i see that ;>
Aug 04 14:08:45 * DocScrutinizer spanks dos1
Aug 04 14:08:54 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, check testlab for last unstable gta01 image
Aug 04 14:09:00 <mrmoku> lots of stuff is missing
Aug 04 14:09:04 <Ainulindale> Does it fail only with GTA01?
Aug 04 14:09:06 <mrmoku> for example ophonekitd
Aug 04 14:09:10 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, no, gta02 too
Aug 04 14:09:22 <Ainulindale> last image in the non synced part?
Aug 04 14:09:28 <mrmoku> yep
Aug 04 14:09:56 <Ainulindale> 0730?
Aug 04 14:10:04 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, ? no 0803
Aug 04 14:10:18 <TAsn> mrmoku, are you sure you installed the new-old opkg-native
Aug 04 14:10:23 <TAsn> and ran the sed script on build host?
Aug 04 14:10:29 <Ainulindale> Nothing as recent on the buildhost mrmoku 
Aug 04 14:10:46 <Ainulindale> According to what I just saw =)
Aug 04 14:11:13 <Ainulindale> Ah only in GTA01 then
Aug 04 14:11:28 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, well it fails the same way for gta02 too
Aug 04 14:11:35 <mrmoku> tried on my local buildhost
Aug 04 14:11:37 <TAsn> mrmoku, saw what I wrote?
Aug 04 14:11:50 <mrmoku> TAsn, no, just came back from a clients site...
Aug 04 14:11:55 * mrmoku fires kmail
Aug 04 14:11:58 <Ainulindale> ok -apps isn't installed
Aug 04 14:11:59 <TAsn> <TAsn> mrmoku, are you sure you installed the new-old opkg-native
Aug 04 14:11:59 <TAsn> <TAsn> and ran the sed script on build host?
Aug 04 14:12:04 <TAsn> mrmoku, wrote here...
Aug 04 14:12:22 <mrmoku> TAsn, yeah, did that
Aug 04 14:12:37 <Ainulindale> Let's have a look then
Aug 04 14:12:44 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: could you help me with that?
Aug 04 14:12:45 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, the funny thing is in log.do_rootfs you can see it installs shr-task-minimal-apps
Aug 04 14:12:55 <Ainulindale> While I check why apps isn't installed
Aug 04 14:13:02 <Ainulindale> Could you verify that it's only apps missing?
Aug 04 14:13:03 <mrmoku> but checking opkg/status afterwards tells me it is not installed
Aug 04 14:13:13 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, no, not so
Aug 04 14:13:20 <mrmoku> all evas-engine are missing too
Aug 04 14:13:50 <Ainulindale> Hmpf?
Aug 04 14:13:57 <Ainulindale> Pulled in by task-x11-illume right?
Aug 04 14:14:12 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, indirectly via e-wm / evas
Aug 04 14:14:17 <mrmoku> evas rrecommends them
Aug 04 14:14:22 <mrmoku> and e-wm depends on evas
Aug 04 14:14:40 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, the funny thing is... I played around with bitbake branches on my laptop
Aug 04 14:14:53 <mrmoku> and somehow I can't reproduce the problem on my laptop now
Aug 04 14:15:02 <Ainulindale> Hmmm.
Aug 04 14:15:06 <mrmoku> it's building good images
Aug 04 14:15:07 <Ainulindale> Funny indeed.
Aug 04 14:15:29 <Ainulindale> By the way SRCREV for libfsoglib is crappy
Aug 04 14:15:32 <Ainulindale> gitrxsomething
Aug 04 14:15:34 <Ainulindale> not gitrsomething
Aug 04 14:15:40 <mrmoku> but I did a rebuild from scratch on my laptop (before playing with bitbake branches in desperation) and it failed to include everything
Aug 04 14:15:42 <Ainulindale> I don't know if this is intended
Aug 04 14:15:48 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, yeah... I did that :P
Aug 04 14:15:54 <Ainulindale> Why?
Aug 04 14:16:02 <mrmoku> because otherwise it would not have updated :)
Aug 04 14:16:09 <Ainulindale> ?
Aug 04 14:16:09 <dos1> Ainulindale: to force upgrade
Aug 04 14:16:14 <Ainulindale> Bumping PR is enough to force upgrade
Aug 04 14:16:17 <Ainulindale> or PV
Aug 04 14:16:18 <mrmoku> nop
Aug 04 14:16:23 <Ainulindale> Why change gitrev?
Aug 04 14:16:26 <Ainulindale> Yes it is
Aug 04 14:16:40 <dos1> Ainulindale: it had only SRCREV, not SRCPV
Aug 04 14:16:56 <Ainulindale> So what?
Aug 04 14:16:58 <dos1> and for opkg package with SRCPV was older than one with SRCREV
Aug 04 14:17:11 <mrmoku> and the githash was higher than what SRCPV gives now
Aug 04 14:17:12 <Ainulindale> Well SRCPV was, IIRC, just a trick
Aug 04 14:17:25 <Ainulindale> And a proper gitrev was supposed to produce
Aug 04 14:17:29 <Ainulindale> girX-Y
Aug 04 14:17:33 <Ainulindale> with X number and Y hash
Aug 04 14:17:41 <Ainulindale> so always upgradeable
Aug 04 14:17:46 <dos1> Ainulindale: yes
Aug 04 14:17:54 <Ainulindale> So why wouldn't it upgrade?
Aug 04 14:17:56 <dos1> Ainulindale: but it was SRCREV only :P
Aug 04 14:18:11 <dos1> Ainulindale: it was only gitrHASH
Aug 04 14:18:21 <Ainulindale> Well why didn't you just change gitHASH in gitnumberHASH
Aug 04 14:18:28 <Ainulindale> Why this X!!! :-)
Aug 04 14:18:37 <Ainulindale> Looks as a typo - )
Aug 04 14:18:38 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, on the installed packages on all FRs around? :P
Aug 04 14:18:43 <dos1> Ainulindale: cause it wouldn't be upgraded :P
Aug 04 14:18:44 <Ainulindale> Well
Aug 04 14:18:53 <Ainulindale> I don't care about that
Aug 04 14:18:54 <Ainulindale> We're in unstable
Aug 04 14:18:57 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, I added a comment to the bb to remove that x on next PV bump
Aug 04 14:18:59 <Ainulindale> We would have posted an advisory
Aug 04 14:19:02 <Ainulindale> Sure it's boring and all
Aug 04 14:19:11 <Ainulindale> But on unstable I think we can do that
Aug 04 14:19:25 <Ainulindale> But I agree with you on the procedure for things in testing
Aug 04 14:19:32 <Ainulindale> Anyway, it doesn't matter I have my answer
Aug 04 14:19:38 <Ainulindale> You fixed the issue that's fine with me =)
Aug 04 14:19:40 <dos1> mrmoku: for me adding x is simplier than sending mail about reinstalling ;)
Aug 04 14:19:48 <dos1> s/mrmoku/Ainulindale/
Aug 04 14:19:49 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: Ainulindale: for me adding x is simplier than sending mail about reinstalling ;)
Aug 04 14:19:52 <Ainulindale> dos1: that's because you're lazy :-)
Aug 04 14:19:58 <dos1> :D
Aug 04 14:19:58 <mrmoku> plus the fact that unstable is still our testing ;)
Aug 04 14:20:07 <Ainulindale> Yeah kinda 
Aug 04 14:20:12 <Ainulindale> But let me be optimistic
Aug 04 14:20:44 <Ainulindale> by the way mrmoku for signals/libfso-glib
Aug 04 14:20:47 <Ainulindale> Did you look at ophonekitd-vala ?
Aug 04 14:20:48 * mrmoku lost the first half of his optimism while fighting OE the last days...
Aug 04 14:20:56 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: nah I'm here to help you granpa
Aug 04 14:20:57 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, yeah, and I talked to ptitjes 
Aug 04 14:21:00 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: so?
Aug 04 14:21:13 <Ainulindale> Did he try to convince you his solution was the best and cleanest and all? :-p
Aug 04 14:21:14 <mrmoku> the confusing thing is that the generated .c contain the server part too
Aug 04 14:21:20 <Ainulindale> Yeah I know that
Aug 04 14:21:26 <mrmoku> so that listening to all signals is for server only
Aug 04 14:21:39 <Ainulindale> So how to properly listen to one signal?
Aug 04 14:21:41 <mrmoku> what you have to do is to manually add and connect to the signals
Aug 04 14:21:47 <Ainulindale> Ok that was my guess
Aug 04 14:21:49 <Ainulindale> That's sad and ugly
Aug 04 14:22:05 <Ainulindale> Could you write a quick howto/sample on the wiki?
Aug 04 14:22:05 <Ainulindale> (in plain C)
Aug 04 14:22:53 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, I started to convert efl2
Aug 04 14:23:08 <mrmoku> (and will do some howto when I know enough :)
Aug 04 14:23:30 <Ainulindale> You're a good boy :-)
Aug 04 14:23:32 <Ainulindale> s/boy/old man/
Aug 04 14:23:32 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: You're a good old man :-)
Aug 04 14:23:55 <mrmoku> yep... old ;)
Aug 04 14:23:55 <Ainulindale> I did something ugly mrmoku 
Aug 04 14:24:04 <Ainulindale> full debug on this generation
Aug 04 14:24:11 <Ainulindale> we'll see what he tells us
Aug 04 14:24:15 <Ainulindale> s/he/it/
Aug 04 14:24:16 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: we'll see what it tells us
Aug 04 14:24:37 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, I hacked rootfs-ipk class to add -V 3 to opkg-cl calls ;)
Aug 04 14:25:12 <Ainulindale> Yeah that's uglier indeed
Aug 04 14:25:18 <Ainulindale> Good thing I didn't update OE
Aug 04 14:26:25 <mrmoku> TAsn, is there some string to grep in the opkg binary to see which version it is? yours or the good one? ;)
Aug 04 14:27:24 <dos1> mrmoku: if it fails, then it's TAsn's one ;)
Aug 04 14:27:26 <lindi-> --version?
Aug 04 14:28:16 <mrmoku> lindi-, yeah, but version does not change... and does not contain the git hash :(
Aug 04 14:28:41 <lindi-> mrmoku: bad upstream
Aug 04 14:29:09 <mrmoku> lindi-, yeah... we're talking about opkg... so bad everything :P
Aug 04 14:31:44 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: frohes schaffen! cheers
Aug 04 14:33:19 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, hehe, danke :)
Aug 04 14:33:33 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, ich lass jetzt mal Ainulindale schaffen ;)
Aug 04 14:34:14 <Ainulindale> What?
Aug 04 14:35:10 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, I said I let you fix it ;)
Aug 04 14:36:42 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, maybe we should add some helper func to phonegui for the signals...
Aug 04 14:39:02 <Ainulindale> I don't think it should go there
Aug 04 14:39:06 <Ainulindale> To me it should go in libfso-glib
Aug 04 14:39:21 <Ainulindale> It's just plain dumb and stupid to put it elsewhere and all of ptitjes' whining won't change that
Aug 04 14:39:41 <Ainulindale> (That's just my humble opinion though)
Aug 04 14:39:45 <Ainulindale> It was done that way with libframeworkd-glib 
Aug 04 14:39:54 <Ainulindale> I can't see why it shouldn't be done the same with libfso-glib
Aug 04 14:40:24 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, well, the way it was with lfg won't work out
Aug 04 14:40:33 <Ainulindale> That is?
Aug 04 14:40:34 <mrmoku> its way to many signals to stuff them in one struct
Aug 04 14:40:34 <Ainulindale> An handler?
Aug 04 14:40:51 <Ainulindale> Well I wasn't formerly wishing something as that
Aug 04 14:41:01 <Ainulindale> This handler struct was my work and I can proudly say it was ugly
Aug 04 14:41:15 <Ainulindale> We need something efficient and helpful, possibly based on GType
Aug 04 14:41:17 <mrmoku> some free_smartphone_set_signal_callback() or something like that...
Aug 04 14:41:20 <Ainulindale> Just one call in fact
Aug 04 14:41:22 <Ainulindale> yeah exactly
Aug 04 14:41:53 <mrmoku> ptitjes, ^^^ would something like that make sense to you?
Aug 04 14:41:56 <Ainulindale> Are the signal protos defined in the .h ?
Aug 04 14:41:59 <Ainulindale> (he's not here)
Aug 04 14:42:06 <mrmoku> no?
Aug 04 14:42:12 <Ainulindale> He's in holidays
Aug 04 14:42:17 <mrmoku> another phantom tab expansion...
Aug 04 14:42:26 <Ainulindale> that's because you love him so much :-)
Aug 04 14:42:35 <Ainulindale> do_rootfs started
Aug 04 14:42:40 <Ainulindale> image completed
Aug 04 14:43:24 <Ainulindale> Apps not there
Aug 04 14:44:47 <Ainulindale> Copying /home/shr/shr-unstable/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/all/task-shr-minimal-apps_2.0-r8_all.ipk to /tmp/opkg-N5EYjU/task-shr-mini
Aug 04 14:44:51 <Ainulindale> al-apps_2.0-r8_all.ipk...Done
Aug 04 14:44:53 <Ainulindale> opkg state set to None
Aug 04 14:45:03 <mrmoku> yeah, watching you :)
Aug 04 14:45:13 <Ainulindale> Should have been similar to opkg state set to Installing Package: task-shr-minimal-base;2.0;all;
Aug 04 14:46:04 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, what is sh-theme-simple in there?
Aug 04 14:46:26 <Ainulindale> I have no idea that's weird
Aug 04 14:46:58 <mrmoku> just missing shr-spla in the beginning
Aug 04 14:47:07 <Ainulindale> Looks as a buffer error in opkg
Aug 04 14:48:18 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, we should somehow verify the opkg-native version used is fine
Aug 04 14:48:53 <Ainulindale> Yeah we should. How? :-)
Aug 04 14:49:00 <mrmoku> good question ;)
Aug 04 14:49:16 <Ainulindale> opkg state set to Installing Package: task-shr-minimal-base;2.0;all;
Aug 04 14:49:18 <Ainulindale> grmbl
Aug 04 14:49:24 <Ainulindale> Collected errors:
Aug 04 14:49:24 <Ainulindale>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-shr-minimal-apps:
Aug 04 14:49:27 <Ainulindale>          *  libgsm0710mux0 (= 0.3.5+gitr27+b74d4615374abb856441e4a416726fb3e8d7835b-r0) *
Aug 04 14:50:22 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, it comes in via fso-compliance task
Aug 04 14:50:43 <Ainulindale> Yeah but meanwhile it won't install it
Aug 04 14:50:59 <mrmoku> no wait... that's the lib not the daemon
Aug 04 14:51:05 <\marco> hi to all
Aug 04 14:51:06 <mrmoku> (which is needed for fso-abyss)
Aug 04 14:51:36 <Ainulindale> Yeah.
Aug 04 14:52:49 <Ainulindale> (Pffft! :-) )
Aug 04 14:52:56 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: If I solve this issue
Aug 04 14:52:59 <Ainulindale> You'll owe me beers
Aug 04 14:53:00 <Ainulindale> Lots of thjem
Aug 04 14:53:04 <Ainulindale> s/thjem/them/
Aug 04 14:53:04 <bzzbot> Ainulindale meant: Lots of them
Aug 04 14:53:09 <\marco> I'm writing an app with elementary.. but I've a problem with genlist.. :/
Aug 04 14:54:27 <\marco> I'm using the same evas_object for two list of elements.. I mean.. I have the first list.. I click an element.. I free genlist and load the second list
Aug 04 14:54:30 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, depends on the reason... ;)
Aug 04 14:54:32 <\marco> it's a problem?
Aug 04 14:54:38 <mrmoku> maybe its TAsn owing us some beer :P
Aug 04 14:54:46 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: for opkg? :-)
Aug 04 14:54:50 <\marco> ( I'm OT? :/ )
Aug 04 14:54:57 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, but yes... if you solve it you will get your beer :)
Aug 04 14:54:57 <Ainulindale> No you're not \marco 
Aug 04 14:55:03 <\marco> Ainulindale: ok, thanks :)
Aug 04 14:55:09 <Ainulindale> As for myself I can't help you sorry :-)
Aug 04 14:55:14 <Ainulindale> I'm no elm expert
Aug 04 14:55:26 * mrmoku neither
Aug 04 14:55:32 <\marco> Ainulindale: eheh ok.. thanks anyway :)
Aug 04 14:55:45 <mrmoku> \marco, you might try your luck in #e
Aug 04 14:56:07 <\marco> mrmoku: oh.. right! :)
Aug 04 14:56:11 <\marco> thanks ;)
Aug 04 14:56:33 <mrmoku> np
Aug 04 14:56:52 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: If this works from scratch
Aug 04 14:56:59 <Ainulindale> Could you fix revisions in testing?
Aug 04 14:57:07 <Ainulindale> And rebuild it from scratch as a test,
Aug 04 14:57:08 <Ainulindale> ?
Aug 04 14:57:12 <mrmoku> sure
Aug 04 14:57:15 <Ainulindale> Good :-)
Aug 04 14:57:19 <Ainulindale> Thanks a lot
Aug 04 14:57:42 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, will it work? :P
Aug 04 14:58:22 <Ainulindale> Well
Aug 04 14:58:28 <Ainulindale> I'd rather ask myself "Will it blend?"
Aug 04 15:02:20 <dos1> hmm... how to simply upgrade just kernel and nothing more? ;x
Aug 04 15:03:10 <Ainulindale> download the ipk
Aug 04 15:03:15 <Ainulindale> or rather
Aug 04 15:03:18 <Ainulindale> download the ipks
Aug 04 15:03:31 <Ainulindale> Are you on µSD ?
Aug 04 15:03:33 <mrmoku> dos1, opkg install kernel?
Aug 04 15:03:38 <dos1> Ainulindale: yep
Aug 04 15:03:42 <Ainulindale> Then download uImage
Aug 04 15:03:45 <Ainulindale> put it on your boot partition
Aug 04 15:03:49 <Ainulindale> download the modules tarball
Aug 04 15:03:54 <Ainulindale> unpack it to your system partition
Aug 04 15:03:56 <Ainulindale> and you're done
Aug 04 15:04:07 * Ainulindale has a solution for everything
Aug 04 15:04:31 <Ainulindale> "W4nt m0re penis????"
Aug 04 15:07:19 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, task-shr-minimal finished :P
Aug 04 15:08:40 <Ainulindale> Thanks :-)
Aug 04 15:11:23 <Ainulindale> It's hanging someho
Aug 04 15:11:24 <Ainulindale> +w
Aug 04 15:12:59 <Ainulindale> Ah here it goes
Aug 04 15:19:03 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: looks good
Aug 04 15:19:32 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, and what did you change?
Aug 04 15:20:08 <mrmoku> or does one need french fingers to command the buildhost ? :P
Aug 04 15:20:36 <Ainulindale> I think it's the french thing
Aug 04 15:21:08 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: bitbake -c clean libgsm0710mux
Aug 04 15:21:14 <Ainulindale> cleaned the stamps, staging & packages
Aug 04 15:21:16 <Ainulindale> bitbaked it again
Aug 04 15:21:20 <Ainulindale> then cleaned apps
Aug 04 15:21:23 <Ainulindale> (minimal)
Aug 04 15:21:28 <Ainulindale> then bitbaked it again
Aug 04 15:21:30 <Ainulindale> then the image
Aug 04 15:21:37 <Ainulindale> When there's a problem
Aug 04 15:21:38 <Ainulindale> Ignore it
Aug 04 15:21:40 <Ainulindale> Clean everything
Aug 04 15:21:43 <Ainulindale> That's the way to go =)
Aug 04 15:21:45 <mrmoku> hmmm
Aug 04 15:21:58 <Ainulindale> Let us see if this worked
Aug 04 15:22:46 <Ainulindale> Still have to wait a bit
Aug 04 15:24:02 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, is a dbus proxy something temporary or something one should keep and reuse?
Aug 04 15:24:31 <Ainulindale> reuse
Aug 04 15:24:34 <Ainulindale> check lfg
Aug 04 15:24:38 <Ainulindale> proxies are static
Aug 04 15:24:42 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, I know lfg :P
Aug 04 15:24:50 <mrmoku> that's why I ask
Aug 04 15:24:53 <Ainulindale> Proxies are your local "replica" of the remote dbus object
Aug 04 15:24:57 <mrmoku> we need a place for the proxies then...
Aug 04 15:24:59 <Ainulindale> Recreating a proxy is overhead
Aug 04 15:25:09 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: well
Aug 04 15:25:41 <Ainulindale> git push git@git.shr-project.org:libconveniencefsoglib.git
Aug 04 15:25:54 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, or change lfg into that
Aug 04 15:26:01 <mrmoku> (that was what I'm thinking about)
Aug 04 15:26:20 <mrmoku> make lfg a convenience libfso-glib wrapper for c clients
Aug 04 15:27:39 <mrmoku> but probably it's cleaner to start something new...
Aug 04 15:27:42 <Ainulindale> well
Aug 04 15:27:47 <Ainulindale> I seriously think this is overkill :-)
Aug 04 15:27:58 <Ainulindale> We should hack into libfso-glib for that specific purpose :-)
Aug 04 15:28:09 <Ainulindale> by the way mrmoku 
Aug 04 15:28:17 <Ainulindale> Do you care at all about the .dot graphics?
Aug 04 15:28:29 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, why do you ask?
Aug 04 15:28:36 <Ainulindale> Because they are annoying
Aug 04 15:28:39 <Ainulindale> takes time to generate
Aug 04 15:28:45 <Ainulindale> I was wondering if we could remove them
Aug 04 15:28:58 <mrmoku> does it generate them automatically? don't think so...
Aug 04 15:29:03 <Ainulindale> yes it does
Aug 04 15:29:07 <Ainulindale> testlab does
Aug 04 15:29:10 <mrmoku> I create them from time to time with -g
Aug 04 15:29:18 <mrmoku> did not know it does that automatically
Aug 04 15:29:23 <Ainulindale> Sheesh -)
Aug 04 15:29:23 <Ainulindale> :-)
Aug 04 15:29:27 <Ainulindale> Don't you look at testlab? :-)
Aug 04 15:30:11 <larsc> does anybody know, when frameworkd does suspend the device?
Aug 04 15:30:14 <mrmoku> hehe, yeah. but I tabcomplete with ins<Tab> very fast :P
Aug 04 15:30:26 <mrmoku> to see the installed packages :)
Aug 04 15:30:30 <dos1> larsc: you mean autosuspend?
Aug 04 15:31:00 <dos1> larsc: if yes, then it suspends when idlenotifier goes into idle_suspend state
Aug 04 15:31:02 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, did not see those .dot files in there :)
Aug 04 15:31:08 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, I don't care about them
Aug 04 15:31:18 <mrmoku> if I want the .dot files I generate them manually
Aug 04 15:31:25 <larsc> dos1: actually, i'm wondering if it listens for events from the power button?
Aug 04 15:31:40 <dos1> larsc: what distro?
Aug 04 15:31:50 <TAsn> mrmoku, no idea ;)
Aug 04 15:31:51 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: ok then we'll remove them :-)
Aug 04 15:31:53 <larsc> dos1: none.
Aug 04 15:32:06 <dos1> larsc: it depends of config
Aug 04 15:32:17 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, regarding libfso-glib... who will hack that into there?
Aug 04 15:32:19 <dos1> larsc: in SHR it doesn't, in plain FSO it does via oeventsd
Aug 04 15:32:47 <larsc> hm ok
Aug 04 15:33:28 <larsc> cause i have seen strange things like suspend on headphone insertion, after i created a input devices which reports jack events.
Aug 04 15:33:58 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: well I'm no vala expert although I could try
Aug 04 15:34:20 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, I would really like to continue working on efl2 a bit
Aug 04 15:34:43 <dos1> larsc: it's possible, did you update input devices in frameworkd.conf?
Aug 04 15:34:49 <mrmoku> (and I'd rather abandon lfg and switch to libfso-glib)
Aug 04 15:34:54 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: apps are there
Aug 04 15:34:57 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I agree
Aug 04 15:35:14 <Ainulindale> engines are there as well
Aug 04 15:35:29 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, nice :)
Aug 04 15:35:50 <Ainulindale> So here's the result
Aug 04 15:35:57 <Ainulindale> Two weeks of mrmoku against two hours of Ainulindale 
Aug 04 15:35:59 <Ainulindale> Ainulindale wins!
Aug 04 15:35:59 <Ainulindale> :-p
Aug 04 15:36:05 <dos1> :DDD
Aug 04 15:36:15 <Ainulindale> I'm glad you're not paid :-p
Aug 04 15:36:32 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: we will settle this as gentlemen, over beers :-)
Aug 04 15:36:40 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, another annoying thing ;)
Aug 04 15:36:48 <Ainulindale> Yes?
Aug 04 15:36:50 <mrmoku> what do all the -dev package in the image?
Aug 04 15:37:18 <Ainulindale> That's indeed weird
Aug 04 15:37:23 <Ainulindale> Some package must be pushing them
Aug 04 15:38:23 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, check the .dot files ;)
Aug 04 15:38:29 <Ainulindale> No need to
Aug 04 15:39:10 <mrmoku> don't even have the -dev packages :(
Aug 04 15:39:12 <Ainulindale> I bet it's a missing PROVIDER
Aug 04 15:39:16 <Ainulindale> What?
Aug 04 15:39:17 <Ainulindale> Ah yes
Aug 04 15:39:20 <Ainulindale> Well anyway
Aug 04 15:39:25 <larsc> dos1: nope. whats does the last number in the reportx=... stand for?
Aug 04 15:39:34 <Ainulindale> Flashing then trying to remove it will tell you which package pushes it
Aug 04 15:39:46 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, you mean one of the bb's is missing a PROVIDES ?
Aug 04 15:40:14 <mrmoku> or we are missing one PREFERRED_PROVIDEr?
Aug 04 15:40:22 <dos1> larsc: if it should report duration of press IIRC
Aug 04 15:40:35 <dos1> larsc: so for headset you should set it to 0
Aug 04 15:40:35 <larsc> dos1: ok, thanks
Aug 04 15:41:45 <larsc> but that does not explain why it suspends when i insert headphones and why it does not when i press the power button
Aug 04 15:41:47 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, are you flashing?
Aug 04 15:41:51 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I'd say the former
Aug 04 15:41:53 <Ainulindale> err
Aug 04 15:41:54 <Ainulindale> latter
Aug 04 15:42:00 <Ainulindale> I think we're missing a PREFERRED_PROVIDER
Aug 04 15:42:00 * mrmoku has some difficulty to flash gta01 images :P
Aug 04 15:42:09 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: well build the GTA02 one and try
Aug 04 15:42:16 <Ainulindale> I'm looking at the logs right now
Aug 04 15:42:25 <mrmoku> ok
Aug 04 15:43:01 <Ainulindale> grmbl
Aug 04 15:44:41 <Ainulindale> misc-vapi-dev and only dev
Aug 04 15:45:05 <Ainulindale> as well as util-macros-dev
Aug 04 15:45:10 <Ainulindale> xcmiscproto
Aug 04 15:45:15 <Ainulindale> xextproto
Aug 04 15:45:23 <Ainulindale> xf86bigfontproto
Aug 04 15:45:27 <Ainulindale> xproto
Aug 04 15:45:34 <Ainulindale> and xtrans
Aug 04 15:46:05 <Ainulindale> This things are weird
Aug 04 15:46:42 <Ainulindale> Are you in another screen mrmoku ?
Aug 04 15:48:59 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, building on my laptop
Aug 04 15:49:27 <Ainulindale> Ok :-)
Aug 04 15:50:50 <Ainulindale> pkg_hash_fetch_best_installation_candidate: for apkg=virtual/shr-splash-theme, 9 matching pkgs
Aug 04 15:51:03 <Ainulindale>   no matching pkg out of matching_apkgs=9
Aug 04 15:51:54 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, that splash thingie was fishy from the beginning
Aug 04 15:53:56 <Ainulindale> hmmm
Aug 04 15:54:55 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, I often had no preferred provider for virtual/shr-splash-theme
Aug 04 15:55:06 <mrmoku> though it is specified and set to the simple one
Aug 04 15:55:09 <mrmoku> did ignore that
Aug 04 15:55:13 <Ainulindale> That's weird
Aug 04 15:55:19 <mrmoku> and selected the first one (handy) instaed
Aug 04 15:56:08 <Ainulindale> Here I think that shr-splash-theme-simple-dev gets pulled in
Aug 04 15:56:12 <Ainulindale> and pulls lots of shit
Aug 04 15:56:51 <mrmoku> another one we had was frameworkd-config-shr-dev
Aug 04 15:56:59 <mrmoku> (which created problems on upgrade)
Aug 04 15:57:03 <Ainulindale> DEBUG: sorted providers for virtual/shr-splash-theme are: ['/home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/shr/shr-splash-theme-handy_git.bb', '/home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/shr/shr-splash-theme-dontpanic_git.bb', '/home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/shr/shr-splash-theme-simple_git.bb']
Aug 04 15:57:08 <Ainulindale> NOTE: multiple providers are available for runtime virtual/shr-splash-theme (shr-splash-theme-handy, shr-splash-theme-dontpanic, shr-splash-theme-simple);
Aug 04 15:57:11 <Ainulindale> NOTE: consider defining a PREFERRED_PROVIDER entry to match runtime virtual/shr-splash-theme
Aug 04 15:57:39 <Ainulindale> Hmm
Aug 04 15:57:43 <Ainulindale> Could it be the /?
Aug 04 15:57:54 <Ainulindale> Nah
Aug 04 15:57:54 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, I grepped around in the OE tree
Aug 04 15:57:57 <mrmoku> and many do that
Aug 04 15:58:01 <Ainulindale> It's doing the same for openmoko-alsa-scenarios
Aug 04 16:00:36 <Ainulindale> Could you try with a PREFERRED_PROVIERS += ?
Aug 04 16:00:48 <Ainulindale> e.g. ../../conf/distro/wrt54oe.conf:PREFERRED_PROVIDERS += " virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc-initial:gcc-cross-initial"
Aug 04 16:01:10 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, hmmm
Aug 04 16:02:05 <mrmoku> on the other hand there is stuff like:
Aug 04 16:02:07 <mrmoku> conf/distro/chinook-compat.conf:PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libsdl       = "libsdl-directfb"
Aug 04 16:02:28 <Ainulindale> Yeah
Aug 04 16:02:44 <mrmoku> or more close to us:
Aug 04 16:02:45 <mrmoku> conf/distro/include/angstrom-2007-for-openmoko.inc:PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/xserver      ?= "xserver-kdrive"
Aug 04 16:03:34 <Ainulindale> yep yep
Aug 04 16:03:37 <Ainulindale> I was looking at that as well
Aug 04 16:04:02 <Ainulindale> logging the env right now
Aug 04 16:04:26 <Ainulindale> Maybe that's because RDEPENDS on virtual is bad? 
Aug 04 16:04:58 <Ainulindale> Hmm can't see why
Aug 04 16:05:08 <Ainulindale> There are other recipes using that
Aug 04 16:05:11 <mrmoku> hmm... that would make virtuals obsolete, no?
Aug 04 16:05:39 <Ainulindale> It could be because of a missing space though
Aug 04 16:06:12 <Ainulindale> With this +=
Aug 04 16:06:24 <dos1> Ainulindale: after mrmoku found what RRECOMMENDS really mean, i think shr-splash should recommend on virtual/shr-splash-theme, not depend
Aug 04 16:06:51 <Ainulindale> Well dos1 
Aug 04 16:06:57 <Ainulindale> shr-splash needs a theme anyway
Aug 04 16:07:07 <Ainulindale> So I'd say that RDEPENDS is not that bad
Aug 04 16:07:20 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, like evas... it needs an engine... but RRECOMMENDS them
Aug 04 16:07:39 <dos1> Ainulindale: but RDEPENDS makes difficult removing already installed theme
Aug 04 16:08:42 <Ainulindale> Hmmm yeah you're right
Aug 04 16:08:52 <Ainulindale> I didn't think about that
Aug 04 16:10:48 <doxy2> hi
Aug 04 16:12:09 <Ainulindale> ERROR: SRCREV was used yet no valid SCM was found in SRC_URI
Aug 04 16:12:10 <Ainulindale> NOTE: <class 'bb.fetch.ParameterError'>: while evaluating:
Aug 04 16:12:10 <Ainulindale> ${@bb.fetch.get_srcrev(d)}
Aug 04 16:12:10 <Ainulindale> NOTE: <class 'bb.fetch.ParameterError'>: while evaluating:
Aug 04 16:12:10 <Ainulindale> ${AUTOREV}
Aug 04 16:12:12 <Ainulindale> # expansion of SRCREV_pn-shr-splash-theme-dontpanic threw <class 'bb.fetch.ParameterError'>
Aug 04 16:12:48 <Ainulindale> same for shr-splash
Aug 04 16:13:16 <Ainulindale> frameworkd-config-shr as well
Aug 04 16:13:23 <Ainulindale> shr-launcher too, etc, etc.
Aug 04 16:13:28 <Ainulindale> vala...
Aug 04 16:13:35 <Ainulindale> connman & such
Aug 04 16:13:40 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: check env.log
Aug 04 16:13:54 <mrmoku> huh?
Aug 04 16:14:12 * DocScrutinizer spanks bb.fetch.get_srcrev
Aug 04 16:14:22 <soltys> DocScrutinizer: ;D
Aug 04 16:15:30 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, are you sure bitbake -e works correctly with SRCPV?
Aug 04 16:15:43 <Ainulindale> Why shouldn't it?
Aug 04 16:15:58 <mrmoku> no idea, but we have SRCREVs for all those packages..
Aug 04 16:16:00 <Ainulindale> But yeah looks as it doesn't
Aug 04 16:16:02 <Ainulindale> and by the way
Aug 04 16:16:06 <Ainulindale> in the env the preferred provider is right
Aug 04 16:16:13 <mrmoku> ahh, funny
Aug 04 16:18:41 <Ainulindale> not quite :-)
Aug 04 16:18:52 <Ainulindale> It may be that the packages aren't properly compiled
Aug 04 16:18:54 <Ainulindale> I'll recompile them
Aug 04 16:20:28 <TAsn> ok
Aug 04 16:20:32 <TAsn> I'm restarting my connection
Aug 04 16:20:35 <TAsn> everything will prolly die
Aug 04 16:20:38 <TAsn> let's hope it won't.
Aug 04 16:20:39 <TAsn> :)
Aug 04 16:20:41 <TAsn> ciao.
Aug 04 16:29:43 <doxy2> why do i get "unable use mmc 1:1 for fatload" "wrong image format for bootm command" when i try to update gsm fw using moko11 and dd method ?
Aug 04 16:29:51 <Ainulindale> Weird mrmoku 
Aug 04 16:30:00 <Ainulindale> it compiles -handy as a dependency
Aug 04 16:30:40 <lindi-> doxy2: maybe you have ext2 partition but told u-boot to use fat?
Aug 04 16:32:12 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, yeah, I frequently end with handy in my images :(
Aug 04 16:32:49 <doxy2> lindi- : but the wiki tells to boot through nor, and i can't change those uboot menu options without the debug borad
Aug 04 16:32:50 * mrmoku installs his local built image now
Aug 04 16:32:51 <doxy2> board
Aug 04 16:33:13 <doxy2> lindi-: so unless they're not right by default
Aug 04 16:33:24 <lindi-> doxy2: better think and not trust wiki :)
Aug 04 16:34:12 <doxy2> lindi-: i don't see any partitions on the device after dd'ing the image on it
Aug 04 16:35:04 <doxy2> only sd{c,b,whatever} so it's a bit weird
Aug 04 16:35:06 <Ainulindale> I know why mrmoku 
Aug 04 16:35:19 <Ainulindale> At least I think I do
Aug 04 16:36:03 * mrmoku curious?
Aug 04 16:36:21 <doxy2> lindi- : nevermind. stupid, STUPID mistake :D
Aug 04 16:36:32 <doxy2> better untar first :D :D
Aug 04 16:36:40 <doxy2> goddamn
Aug 04 16:36:59 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, hehe, my image has handy :P
Aug 04 16:38:28 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I'm checking if I was right
Aug 04 16:43:40 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, another funny thing is... there is no opkg nomore... just opkg-cl
Aug 04 16:43:51 <Ainulindale> Meh :-)
Aug 04 16:44:52 <Ainulindale> Ok tried a local modification for my stuff
Aug 04 16:44:55 <Ainulindale> It didn't work
Aug 04 16:45:43 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, ok... now to the real problems :P
Aug 04 16:45:52 <mrmoku> passwd is wrong
Aug 04 16:46:00 <Ainulindale> ?
Aug 04 16:46:13 <mrmoku> it did not run postinst for lots of packages resulting in missing users in passwd for example
Aug 04 16:46:31 <mrmoku> like messagebus user... which means dbus does not start
Aug 04 16:46:36 <Ainulindale> I smell something fishy
Aug 04 16:47:44 <Ainulindale> fishy with providers
Aug 04 16:48:34 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, yeah, same with the gta01 image on buildhost
Aug 04 16:51:06 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: see #oe
Aug 04 17:02:59 <bumbl> mrmoku: hmm seems like a real nice bug (that passwd thingie)
Aug 04 17:11:40 <doxy2> sigh...i patched my dbus and updated the gsm firmware but requesting GSM resource from frameworkd still fails...
Aug 04 17:12:44 <doxy2> ideas, anyone?
Aug 04 17:13:07 <bumbl> doxy2: requesting other resources works?
Aug 04 17:13:39 <doxy2> bumbl: yes
Aug 04 17:16:13 <Ainulindale> mrmoku ?
Aug 04 17:17:18 <ferluszt> hello, i have a problem with programming sqlite3 and elementary
Aug 04 17:17:54 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, family came back... was distracted :P
Aug 04 17:17:56 <mrmoku> back now
Aug 04 17:18:00 <ferluszt> want to make an hoversel and get the data from sql
Aug 04 17:18:36 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, strange thing those providers :P
Aug 04 17:19:08 <ferluszt> the callbackfunction is:  callback(void *NotUsed, int argc, char **argv, char **azColName){
Aug 04 17:19:14 <Ainulindale> yeah
Aug 04 17:19:40 <ferluszt> and to add an item to the hoversel: EAPI Elm_Hoversel_Item *elm_hoversel_item_add(Evas_Object *obj, const char *label, const char *icon_file, Elm_Icon_Type icon_type, void (*func) (void *data, Evas_Object *obj, void *event_info), const void *data);
Aug 04 17:22:43 <ferluszt> to the hoversel i also want an callback when its clicked, and when its clickt to show the given name from sql.   ho_item1 = elm_hoversel_item_add(hoversel, argv[i], NULL, ELM_ICON_NONE, hover_clicked, (void*)argv[i]);
Aug 04 17:24:58 <ferluszt> in the hover_clicked function i want to make elm_hoversel_label_set(hover,(const char*)data);  but it shows not the name
Aug 04 17:26:30 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, regarding missing postinst stuff... running opkg-cl configure and rebooting fixes it
Aug 04 17:27:15 <mrmoku> I remember some day there was an initscript for that...
Aug 04 17:27:40 <Ainulindale> hmmm
Aug 04 17:27:49 <Ainulindale> Well right now I won't be able to help you with that
Aug 04 17:28:16 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, can you commit the PREFERRED_PROVIDER fix for the splash-theme?
Aug 04 17:28:28 <mrmoku> will retry a build from scratch then
Aug 04 17:36:36 <dos1> mrmoku: what about having one initscript only for first boot?
Aug 04 17:37:29 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Done
Aug 04 17:37:39 <dos1> mrmoku: running opkg-cli configure at each boot is baaad, but it should probably be done on target device
Aug 04 17:38:57 <mrmoku> dos1, it was doing that just once
Aug 04 17:39:02 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, thanks
Aug 04 17:39:05 <dos1> hmm
Aug 04 17:39:10 <dos1> then why it isn't here?
Aug 04 17:39:27 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: You're welcome
Aug 04 17:39:43 <mrmoku> dos1, IIRC it was not necessary anymore... somehow that changed
Aug 04 17:43:12 <TAsn> ferluszt, elementary is dark magic, I don't think anyone talks about it in public chans.
Aug 04 18:33:03 <doxy2> agh, updating the gsm fw couldn't be the reason because gsm worked on prebuilt images
Aug 04 18:33:35 <doxy2> this is most infuriating
Aug 04 18:37:06 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r6ba9e380a770 10/ (opimd-contacts opimd-messages): opimd-messages, opimd-contacts: change window titles
Aug 04 19:04:47 <Weiss> Mirv: with the one-line patch i just committed to libdrm, X starts up... (but a little work on EXA is necessary)
Aug 04 19:05:30 <Weiss> as ever, there was no "highly complicated pagefault mapping issue", just a missing "thing=NULL"
Aug 04 19:18:50 <PaulFertser> Yay, Sameo is back, now i can do upstream work for pcf50633 :D
Aug 04 19:24:47 <Mirv> Weiss: great! I have to find some time to try it out, but it'd be indeed cool to see X starting up
Aug 04 19:25:58 <Weiss> well.. it's the same "dirty" framebuffer, but this time with an X cursor occasionally appearing :)
Aug 04 19:26:54 <Weiss> just a little bit more tweaking..
Aug 04 19:28:42 <BluesLee> i cant get usb networking to work anymore
Aug 04 19:29:02 <BluesLee> can someone assist?
Aug 04 19:29:14 <Weiss> BluesLee: muppet check, new version of Qi?
Aug 04 19:29:25 <BluesLee> what?
Aug 04 19:29:27 <BluesLee> :-)
Aug 04 19:30:01 <BluesLee> which version?
Aug 04 19:30:12 <BluesLee> yes, i flashed the new one some days ago
Aug 04 19:30:24 <PaulFertser> Weiss: isn't it just stupid how many time was spent on "can't get usb networking to work" problem when there was actually none except interface name change? :(
Aug 04 19:31:02 <Weiss> hehe
Aug 04 19:31:14 <BluesLee> PaulFertser: i restored a nand backup
Aug 04 19:31:27 <BluesLee> after that it didnt worked anymore
Aug 04 19:31:28 <Weiss> BluesLee: short story: usb0->ethX (X depends on how many other "eths" you have on your system)
Aug 04 19:31:39 <BluesLee> i know that
Aug 04 19:31:54 <BluesLee> and i changed my script from usb0 to eth2
Aug 04 19:32:03 <BluesLee> i can ssh to the neo
Aug 04 19:32:06 <BluesLee> no problem 
Aug 04 19:32:23 <BluesLee> but i cant ping a website
Aug 04 19:32:35 <Weiss> did you also fiddle with your iptables rules?
Aug 04 19:32:50 <BluesLee> no
Aug 04 19:33:11 <PaulFertser> Weiss: not funny :(
Aug 04 19:33:40 <Weiss> PaulFertser: :(
Aug 04 19:34:00 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: don't make us sad!
Aug 04 19:34:07 <BluesLee> why?
Aug 04 19:34:10 <PaulFertser> You're too blue.
Aug 04 19:34:17 <BluesLee> hehe
Aug 04 19:34:18 <PaulFertser> That makes us blue too.
Aug 04 19:34:26 <BluesLee> i am green paul
Aug 04 19:34:37 <BluesLee> you are more blue than me, hehe
Aug 04 19:34:51 <BluesLee> okay, that guy doesnt work
Aug 04 19:35:00 <BluesLee> what could it be?
Aug 04 19:35:20 <BluesLee> dmesg says
Aug 04 19:35:21 <PaulFertser> Yeah, "can't get no antidote for blues... oh yeah".
Aug 04 19:35:26 <BluesLee> eth1: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:03.1-1, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:07:78
Aug 04 19:35:26 <BluesLee> eth1 renamed to eth2
Aug 04 19:35:26 <BluesLee> udev: renamed network interface eth1 to eth2
Aug 04 19:36:03 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: check your iptables -L -v and iptables -t nat -L -v
Aug 04 19:36:07 <BluesLee> i configured the neo in yast network and added it to the internal zone of the firewall
Aug 04 19:37:07 <BluesLee> PaulFertser: i am too blue for that
Aug 04 19:37:17 <BluesLee> there are some "rejects" there
Aug 04 19:37:44 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: i've no idea of "firewall". Plain iptables is something i use.
Aug 04 19:38:24 <BluesLee> i turned off the firewall, no change
Aug 04 19:38:41 <BluesLee> i also use it within the script
Aug 04 19:38:51 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: i don't know nothing about "firewall"!
Aug 04 19:39:07 <F4t> hmmm opimd-contacts looks pretty nice
Aug 04 19:39:09 <BluesLee> i got it
Aug 04 19:39:27 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: to ping websites from your FR you need to have NAT activated (or other ways like bridging). NAT is done with iptables. Bridging is done with brctl.
Aug 04 19:39:43 <F4t> Bridging is evil
Aug 04 19:39:48 <PaulFertser> F4t: why?
Aug 04 19:39:49 <BluesLee> i mean, i got your "dont know much about firewall .."
Aug 04 19:40:00 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: no you didn't
Aug 04 19:40:07 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: there's no "firewall" in Linux
Aug 04 19:40:08 <dos1> F4t: do you want to test it? :D
Aug 04 19:40:17 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: there're iptables.
Aug 04 19:40:21 <F4t> dos1, if i used moko as phone i might :D
Aug 04 19:40:33 <F4t> dos1, i can test whatever doesnt involve habing a SIM in
Aug 04 19:40:37 <BluesLee> PaulFertser: okay, i didnt  changed anything, hmmm
Aug 04 19:41:06 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: if you cleaned all the rules from all the tables, there's no NAT so no wonder pinging external hosts from your FR doesn't work.
Aug 04 19:41:19 <dos1> F4t: well, it's opimd based, as name suggest :P
Aug 04 19:41:31 <dos1> F4t: so you don't even have to have ogsmd running
Aug 04 19:41:31 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: also ip_forward should be set to 1. (/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward)
Aug 04 19:42:07 <BluesLee> PaulFertser:  i use http://pastebin.ca/1518274
Aug 04 19:42:27 <F4t> dos1, well, i can test it... does the contacts come from the sim?
Aug 04 19:42:30 <F4t> saved in the sim?
Aug 04 19:42:51 <dos1> F4t: opimd-contacts fetches data from opimd
Aug 04 19:42:58 <dos1> F4t: opimd can fetch data from its backends
Aug 04 19:43:11 <dos1> F4t: there are 3 backends in Contacts domain: SIM, CSV and SQLite
Aug 04 19:43:21 <dos1> F4t: it's up to you which to use
Aug 04 19:43:22 <F4t> do i have opimd installed?
Aug 04 19:43:28 <F4t> (lit image)
Aug 04 19:43:29 <TAsn> F4t, yes you io
Aug 04 19:43:30 <dos1> F4t: if you have frameworkd, then yes :P
Aug 04 19:43:30 <TAsn> do
Aug 04 19:43:39 <F4t> ok cool so lets try ur contacts :D
Aug 04 19:43:49 <dos1> as it's part of fso
Aug 04 19:44:00 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: why do you add a route explicitly? Isn't ifconfig up enough?
Aug 04 19:44:20 <F4t> PaulFertser, its not his script, such questions won't yield much
Aug 04 19:44:24 <dos1> F4t: but if you don't  have SIM you'll have to add contacts with some other app
Aug 04 19:44:25 <BluesLee> PaulFertser: tried that also, didnt worked
Aug 04 19:44:37 <F4t> dos1, doesnt ur app support adding a new contact?
Aug 04 19:44:43 <dos1> as adding and editing isn't implemented yet in opimd-contacts
Aug 04 19:44:50 <dos1> (it's 2 days old :P)
Aug 04 19:44:54 <F4t> dos1, oh :D
Aug 04 19:45:05 <F4t> well lemme know when adding is implemented then i can test :P
Aug 04 19:45:06 <dos1> F4t: but you can do that with opimd-cli
Aug 04 19:45:13 <dos1> from command line ;)
Aug 04 19:45:33 <PaulFertser> F4t: ... i'm stupid, never know how to talk to people
Aug 04 19:45:53 <F4t> i dont plan to learn it, so gimme commandline to add contacts to it...
Aug 04 19:46:01 <BluesLee> the freerunner drives me crazy
Aug 04 19:46:58 <F4t> BluesLee, could you please pastebin the result of the following commands after the script is done running? "iptables -S" "iptables -t nat -S"
Aug 04 19:48:22 <BluesLee> F4t: i rebooted the device (for the 4th time) and now it works
Aug 04 19:48:28 <BluesLee> crazy stuff
Aug 04 19:48:33 <F4t> :-/
Aug 04 19:48:48 <F4t> crazy stuff indeed
Aug 04 19:49:18 <dos1> F4t: opimd-cli c add Field Value Field Value Field Value ...
Aug 04 19:49:33 <F4t> what fields can i add?
Aug 04 19:50:06 <F4t> dont have opimd-cli.... opkg install?
Aug 04 19:50:19 <TAsn> opimd-utils
Aug 04 19:50:20 <TAsn> iirc
Aug 04 19:50:45 <F4t> cool
Aug 04 19:50:56 <F4t> bah, new kernel is avalible form opkg...
Aug 04 19:51:19 <dos1> F4t: fields - whatever you like
Aug 04 19:51:25 <dos1> but you need Name
Aug 04 19:51:48 <F4t> k
Aug 04 19:51:55 <dos1> and after that Phone, "Work phone", "Whatever phone" (with value prefixed with tel:)
Aug 04 19:52:19 <dos1> "E-mail", "Work e-mail", "Whatever e-mail" with value prefixed with mail:
Aug 04 19:52:31 <dos1> and then whatever you like :P
Aug 04 19:53:44 <F4t> yay tons of dbus dprecation msgs
Aug 04 19:53:54 <F4t> but seems like i added a contact
Aug 04 19:54:02 <F4t> now how do i get ur app?
Aug 04 19:54:29 <TAsn> F4t, I think taht's in opimd-utils as well :)
Aug 04 19:55:06 <dos1> F4t: TAsn is right, but i don't know if package in feeds is already rebuilt
Aug 04 19:55:43 <F4t> dont have opimd-contacts
Aug 04 19:55:51 <F4t> have messages and other shit
Aug 04 19:58:41 <dos1> F4t: so you have old package :P
Aug 04 19:59:01 <dos1> mrmoku: ping :D
Aug 04 19:59:17 <dos1> mrmoku: is build of opimd-utils possible now? :x
Aug 04 19:59:27 <F4t> can i retire to upgrading my moko to bleeding edge? :D
Aug 04 20:00:12 <dos1> F4t: opkg install http://openmoko.opendevice.org/build/shr-unstable/feed/armv4t/opimd-utils_0.0.2+gitr30+0376d68489fa1b31e1849d7678718b61d65ed8bb-r0_armv4t.ipk
Aug 04 20:00:37 <dos1> do someone else want to test it too? :D
Aug 04 20:02:26 <BluesLee> dos1: no news concerning the rxerr issue with gps?
Aug 04 20:02:48 <BluesLee> dos1: i am unable to use gps 
Aug 04 20:02:49 <dos1> BluesLee: no, but thanks for reminding me
Aug 04 20:02:52 <dos1> i have to test something
Aug 04 20:03:26 <BluesLee>  the image from 21st gives me stable gsm but no gps
Aug 04 20:03:33 <dos1> it works now, but it didn't yesterday
Aug 04 20:03:37 <dos1> BluesLee: i don't think that's image issue
Aug 04 20:04:05 <BluesLee> i tried opkg upgrade yesterday
Aug 04 20:04:22 <BluesLee> and flashed back today as gsm wasnt stable anymore
Aug 04 20:04:37 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: no, it's not vibrator
Aug 04 20:04:49 <BluesLee> i have the "sleep 3" in opimd
Aug 04 20:05:00 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: now i have vibrator running and no rxerrs, and gps is working
Aug 04 20:05:12 <F4t> dos1, testing :D
Aug 04 20:05:24 <BluesLee> dos1: what did you changed?
Aug 04 20:05:32 <F4t> dos1, searching is slow, cant u cache it?
Aug 04 20:05:34 <dos1> BluesLee: the thing is - nothing :P
Aug 04 20:06:02 <BluesLee> dos1: yeah, like my networking problem some minutes ago
Aug 04 20:06:54 <F4t> dos1, how do i leave search mode?
Aug 04 20:06:55 <dos1> F4t: searching when typing?
Aug 04 20:06:56 <mrmoku> dos1, hmmm
Aug 04 20:06:58 <BluesLee> my wife is angry, i spent too much time for the neo, hehe
Aug 04 20:06:59 <dos1> F4t: enter
Aug 04 20:07:27 * mrmoku checks buildhost
Aug 04 20:07:32 <dos1> F4t: here speed is acceptable
Aug 04 20:07:48 <F4t> dos1, you should delete the search field, or drop its focus, when a contact is selected or enter is presses, that way the qwery keyboard will disappear by itself
Aug 04 20:08:05 <dos1> F4t: the thing is - it doesn't work
Aug 04 20:08:18 <F4t> crap
Aug 04 20:08:31 <dos1> F4t: i can popup keyboard by giving focus, but i wasn't able to popout it by giving focus to something else
Aug 04 20:08:59 <F4t> focusing on a button should do the trick
Aug 04 20:09:40 <F4t> anyway im done testing, looks nice so far, all i have to say is, its a bit slow for my taste, but then again the whole moko is....
Aug 04 20:09:57 <dos1> F4t: it isn't intended to be fast
Aug 04 20:10:03 <dos1> F4t: that's just python test script for opimd
Aug 04 20:10:16 <dos1> F4t: as when developing opimd i have to know, how it behavies in real life
Aug 04 20:10:25 <F4t> dos1, so you make a gui for it?!
Aug 04 20:10:26 <dos1> F4t: and there is no good app with opimd support yet
Aug 04 20:10:29 <F4t> whats wrong with cli?
Aug 04 20:10:51 <BluesLee> dos1: what do you mean with nothing? how it works?
Aug 04 20:11:08 <dos1> BluesLee: i did nothing. yesterday it didn't work, now it works
Aug 04 20:11:20 <BluesLee> ohh no
Aug 04 20:11:33 <dos1> F4t: well, opimd-cli is neigther messaging nor contacts app
Aug 04 20:11:55 <F4t> but it can do the things you wish to test, doesnt it?
Aug 04 20:12:05 <dos1> F4t: no
Aug 04 20:12:12 <F4t> what cant it do?
Aug 04 20:12:37 <dos1> F4t: listening to signals, sending smses, wathing changes
Aug 04 20:13:01 <dos1> F4t: well, i'm author of opimd-cli too ;)
Aug 04 20:13:40 <F4t> dos1, ow...
Aug 04 20:14:15 <F4t> so what you are telling me is there is no opimd app, and not even one in the making
Aug 04 20:14:17 <BluesLee> dos1: [ 1294.005000] rxerr: port=1 ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000c
Aug 04 20:14:39 <F4t> why does the moko kernel support UDF?
Aug 04 20:14:45 <BluesLee> dos1: no change here, so it depends not on the weekday:-)
Aug 04 20:14:55 <F4t> for usb cd-burners? :D
Aug 04 20:15:02 <dos1> BluesLee: i still have rxerrs when turning gps on and off
Aug 04 20:15:17 <BluesLee> dos1: but you get a fix?
Aug 04 20:15:34 <dos1> BluesLee: it sees 13 satelites
Aug 04 20:15:44 <dos1> BluesLee: from my experience it's enough to say "it's working" :P
Aug 04 20:15:56 <dos1> as then not getting fix is only signal issue
Aug 04 20:16:23 <BluesLee> dos1: with shr-settings you use manuell/on?
Aug 04 20:16:31 <dos1> BluesLee: yep
Aug 04 20:16:39 <BluesLee> hmm
Aug 04 20:17:23 <mrmoku> F4t, don't tell me you do not regulary backup your moko to an UDF disk? :P
Aug 04 20:18:57 <mrmoku> dos1, synced it to the feed... hopefully nothing broke :P
Aug 04 20:19:34 <BluesLee> dos1: i dont see anything there, will try my external gps antenna
Aug 04 20:25:04 <dos1> BluesLee: hmm... how warm your freerunner is?
Aug 04 20:25:11 <dos1> and what is temperature in room?
Aug 04 20:26:09 <BluesLee> dos1: ???
Aug 04 20:26:43 <dos1> BluesLee: it didn't worked to me when my FR was warm (i had backlight, vibrator and leds turned on for long time, to discharge my battery)
Aug 04 20:27:13 <BluesLee> dos1: no problem here, mine shouldnt be so warm
Aug 04 20:27:19 <dos1> BluesLee: that's just wild quess, but maybe it's something with temperature ;x
Aug 04 20:29:57 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: then try to cool it :)
Aug 04 20:30:22 <PaulFertser> BluesLee: tightly wrap in a package and put inside a fridge.
Aug 04 20:44:24 <BluesLee> dos1: i got a 3d fix with th eexternal antenna
Aug 04 20:44:58 <BluesLee> dos1: when i unplug the external one it looses all satellites
Aug 04 20:45:03 <BluesLee> dos1: hmmm
Aug 04 20:45:28 <dos1> bzzbot: looses satelites or looses fix from satelites?
Aug 04 20:45:39 <BluesLee> dos1: both
Aug 04 20:45:55 <BluesLee> 0/10 or whatever and "no fix"
Aug 04 20:48:17 <dos1> BluesLee: 0/10 isn't loosing all satelites
Aug 04 20:48:28 <dos1> BluesLee: so you have different issue than me ;P
Aug 04 20:48:31 <dos1> BluesLee: my issue is 0/0
Aug 04 20:51:38 <[Rui]> is the last known good shr image from 20090721 ?
Aug 04 20:52:09 <[Rui]> there's a newer uImae
Aug 04 21:03:34 <F4t> kernel still updating... :-/
Aug 04 21:06:44 <mrmoku> [Rui], no good image though
Aug 04 21:10:16 <[Rui]> mrmoku: oh well, saves me a download
Aug 04 21:11:30 <mrmoku> [Rui], no, just postpones it :P
Aug 04 21:11:59 <[Rui]> mrmoku: only if for a few minutes, because I need my daily phone working
Aug 04 21:12:03 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: any news from my fix?
Aug 04 21:12:06 <Ainulindale> Any other problem?
Aug 04 21:12:14 <Ainulindale> Apart from passwd?
Aug 04 21:12:25 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, still building
Aug 04 21:12:29 <Ainulindale> Ok
Aug 04 21:12:33 <Ainulindale> By the way
Aug 04 21:12:44 <Ainulindale> Did you check for other PREFERRED on virtual ?
Aug 04 21:12:50 <Ainulindale> or preferred on RDEPENDS ?
Aug 04 21:12:55 <Ainulindale> such as frameworkd-config-shr ?
Aug 04 21:12:58 <mrmoku> [Rui], i thought more of 'postpones it for a day or two' :)
Aug 04 21:13:09 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, no
Aug 04 21:13:32 <Ainulindale> No you didn't?
Aug 04 21:13:50 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, yeah, no I didn't :P
Aug 04 21:13:54 <Ainulindale> Ok :-)
Aug 04 21:14:36 <mrmoku> but probably that's why we get that frameworkd-config-shr-dev packages, right?
Aug 04 21:16:00 <Ainulindale> Well it may be that yes
Aug 04 21:17:18 <F4t> mrmoku, your actualyl using the moko as a phone?
Aug 04 21:17:20 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, btw. did you follow the discussions around the new OE branch?
Aug 04 21:17:28 <Ainulindale> the smartphones devel branch?
Aug 04 21:17:28 <mrmoku> F4t, yup
Aug 04 21:17:34 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, yup
Aug 04 21:17:41 <Ainulindale> I talked about that with mickey on tuesday and thursday
Aug 04 21:17:43 <Ainulindale> (IRL)
Aug 04 21:17:49 <F4t> mrmoku, scary
Aug 04 21:17:59 <Ainulindale> And anyway we agreed on the basics the last time in Essen
Aug 04 21:18:08 <Ainulindale> So I didn't follow the mails but I'm following the idea
Aug 04 21:18:09 <[Rui]> F4t: not scary, but a little bit daring, yeah...
Aug 04 21:18:13 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, yeah, but we have to do it now :)
Aug 04 21:18:19 <Ainulindale> Anything  special out of the ordinary I should know in your opinion?
Aug 04 21:18:20 <Ainulindale> Well mrmoku 
Aug 04 21:18:25 <Ainulindale> As it was intended in the first place
Aug 04 21:18:36 <Ainulindale> We should all commit into the same branch be it SHR or myass-branch
Aug 04 21:18:48 <Ainulindale> I don't care about logistic as long as everyone agrees
Aug 04 21:19:01 <Ainulindale> and as the common denominator is FSO I think it should refer to it
Aug 04 21:19:04 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, we're already one step ahead :P
Aug 04 21:19:12 <Ainulindale> That is?
Aug 04 21:19:26 <F4t> myass-branch sounds like a good choice
Aug 04 21:19:29 <mrmoku> thing is we have to bring all stuff acceptable in org.oedev into there
Aug 04 21:19:36 <Ainulindale> Well
Aug 04 21:19:44 <Ainulindale> IMHO
Aug 04 21:19:50 <Ainulindale> That's out of the question for the next few weeks
Aug 04 21:19:55 <Ainulindale> First because we don't even have a stable branch
Aug 04 21:20:04 <Ainulindale> Then because we need to build that branch and agree on the processes
Aug 04 21:20:20 <Ainulindale> And once we'll have that branch with a task force and shared work among FSO/SHR/whatnot
Aug 04 21:20:29 <Ainulindale> Once we'll have reproducible builds
Aug 04 21:20:30 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, you should comment then on ML...
Aug 04 21:20:35 <Ainulindale> Then I'll worry about OE.Dev
Aug 04 21:20:36 <Ainulindale> I will
Aug 04 21:20:47 <Ainulindale> It's nonsense to commit anything into OE dev if it doesn't build
Aug 04 21:20:59 <Ainulindale> We might as well work in it now if we did that
Aug 04 21:21:00 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, I agree on the 'after reproducable builds' though :)
Aug 04 21:21:13 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: You disagree on what then? :-)
Aug 04 21:21:24 <mrmoku> on the next few weeks ;)
Aug 04 21:21:32 <Ainulindale> Well
Aug 04 21:21:35 <mrmoku> uhh... thinking about that...
Aug 04 21:21:40 <mrmoku> I'm away from 19th
Aug 04 21:21:48 <mrmoku> for three weeks
Aug 04 21:21:50 <Ainulindale> Are you sure you'll manage to have a reproducible build in a month?
Aug 04 21:21:58 <Ainulindale> Or even in a week?
Aug 04 21:22:02 <Ainulindale> I'm not, I'm too outdated
Aug 04 21:22:07 <Ainulindale> So as I'm not sure
Aug 04 21:22:16 <Ainulindale> I can't really plan to have a working build
Aug 04 21:22:21 <Ainulindale> Hence no way to commit anything to OE dev
Aug 04 21:22:35 <Ainulindale> Plus committing to OE dev would mean to
Aug 04 21:22:37 <Ainulindale> First stabilize the build
Aug 04 21:22:44 <Ainulindale> Then pull up to date to OE dev
Aug 04 21:22:48 <Ainulindale> then recheck the build
Aug 04 21:22:51 <Ainulindale> Fix the issues
Aug 04 21:22:55 <Ainulindale> Then commit it back to dev
Aug 04 21:22:58 <Ainulindale> And that's no easy work
Aug 04 21:23:09 <mrmoku> the goal is not to build from OE dev
Aug 04 21:23:11 <Ainulindale> Especially if you're as alone as you've been the past few months
Aug 04 21:23:13 <mrmoku> but to get closer to it
Aug 04 21:23:15 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I know
Aug 04 21:23:38 <Ainulindale> Getting close to OE means pulling/merging from it
Aug 04 21:23:44 <Ainulindale> This means more issues
Aug 04 21:23:51 <Ainulindale> This means more testing, more people, more work :-)
Aug 04 21:24:00 <mrmoku> it also means pushing to it
Aug 04 21:24:03 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: did the OE folks explained the dependency issues? I see no reply on the ML.
Aug 04 21:24:12 <mrmoku> nop
Aug 04 21:24:16 <Ainulindale> Yeah but you can't push anything if you're not sure it's working before mrmoku :-)
Aug 04 21:24:19 <Ainulindale> Else it's foolish
Aug 04 21:24:21 <PaulFertser> fuck
Aug 04 21:25:05 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: I (but this is my personal opinion) think that if we want to push anything to OE dev
Aug 04 21:25:12 <Ainulindale> We need first to make sure that we're able to build an image against it
Aug 04 21:25:19 <Ainulindale> That means two steps, first merging OE dev into our branch
Aug 04 21:25:26 <Ainulindale> Then stabilize it
Aug 04 21:25:37 <Ainulindale> And again, I don't think this is easy
Aug 04 21:26:30 <Ainulindale> (Or rather I'd say straightforward and/or fast)
Aug 04 21:26:40 <Ainulindale> (quic rather than fast)
Aug 04 21:26:42 <Ainulindale> +k
Aug 04 21:26:55 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: are you going to Italy by the way? :-)
Aug 04 21:27:09 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, no, logging some cells in sweden :P
Aug 04 21:27:13 <Ainulindale> Peh
Aug 04 21:27:16 <Ainulindale> You won't beat me
Aug 04 21:27:18 <Ainulindale> :-p
Aug 04 21:27:38 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, lets see... will take two SIMs with me ;)
Aug 04 21:27:52 <Ainulindale> But anyway, good thing, this will give us a new fresh mrmoku in september
Aug 04 21:27:56 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: do you have two GTA02 ?
Aug 04 21:28:01 * mrmoku checks statistics
Aug 04 21:28:05 <Ainulindale> Because I have two SIMs now :-p
Aug 04 21:28:12 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, no, but 'andata e ritorno' :P
Aug 04 21:28:23 <Ainulindale> Thingy yourself!
Aug 04 21:28:30 <Ainulindale> (what's that italian thing?)
Aug 04 21:28:36 <Ainulindale> aller et retour ?
Aug 04 21:28:38 <Ainulindale> back & forth ?
Aug 04 21:28:45 <mrmoku> yeah... back & forth
Aug 04 21:28:53 <Ainulindale> Damn I'm good
Aug 04 21:28:54 * mrmoku was missing the english expression for that :P
Aug 04 21:28:58 <Ainulindale> Well
Aug 04 21:29:11 <Ainulindale> I'm now able to do that too with two phone (out of three) and two sims :-p
Aug 04 21:29:17 <Ainulindale> I'm up to the challenge
Aug 04 21:29:19 <Ainulindale> I'll kick your as
Aug 04 21:29:20 <Ainulindale> +s
Aug 04 21:29:32 * Weiss sees an Illume bar at the top of his screen...
Aug 04 21:29:47 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: anyway, what do you think about what I just said about the amount of work?
Aug 04 21:30:13 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, its just around 1500 cells you're ahead
Aug 04 21:30:26 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, probably you're right
Aug 04 21:30:35 <Ainulindale> I don't care about probability
Aug 04 21:30:38 <Ainulindale> Just your personal opinion
Aug 04 21:30:40 * mrmoku puts Ainulindale hat on
Aug 04 21:30:45 <mrmoku> but write it to ML !
Aug 04 21:30:48 * mrmoku takes hat off
Aug 04 21:30:50 <Ainulindale> Do you feel up to it in two-three weeks? :-)
Aug 04 21:30:53 <Ainulindale> (you're an ass :-p)
Aug 04 21:30:56 <mrmoku> :)
Aug 04 21:31:00 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: Don't worry I'll do that
Aug 04 21:31:33 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, well I don't know
Aug 04 21:31:36 <mrmoku> probably not
Aug 04 21:31:48 <Ainulindale> That's my problem with it
Aug 04 21:32:00 <Ainulindale> Because I'm not sure I can deliver any specific amount of work until the 17th
Aug 04 21:32:10 <Ainulindale> Date at which my girlfriend will leave for Russia for a month
Aug 04 21:32:26 <Ainulindale> (thus leaving me alone and lost and available for some coding)
Aug 04 21:33:03 <Ainulindale> for instance I'm not there this week-end and wasn't here the past week-end
Aug 04 21:33:04 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, to be honest I will take my notebook to sweden...
Aug 04 21:33:10 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: pfffff :-)
Aug 04 21:33:11 <mrmoku> go some RL work to do :P
Aug 04 21:33:19 <Ainulindale> Holidays...
Aug 04 21:33:24 <Ainulindale> Your wife must be thrilled
Aug 04 21:33:29 <mrmoku> made an arrangement with my wife
Aug 04 21:33:39 <mrmoku> we go for three weeks instead of two... but I can work a bit :)
Aug 04 21:33:46 <Ainulindale> Every hour on the computer will result in a gift? :-)
Aug 04 21:34:00 <Ainulindale> You're an utter geek :-)
Aug 04 21:34:18 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, gift is the german word for poison
Aug 04 21:34:23 <mrmoku> so... better no gift :)
Aug 04 21:34:24 <Ainulindale> haha :-)
Aug 04 21:34:29 <Ainulindale> then a present :-)
Aug 04 21:34:35 <mrmoku> sounds better :)
Aug 04 21:34:48 <Ainulindale> well anyway I hope I'll be able to work a bit on our issues tomorrow
Aug 04 21:34:53 <Ainulindale> I'll take my GTA01 with me
Aug 04 21:35:08 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, I think the image is to big for flash though
Aug 04 21:35:38 <mrmoku> I dropped fso-sounds... and then started the build problems
Aug 04 21:35:47 <mrmoku> still have to commit that
Aug 04 21:37:37 <Ainulindale> well
Aug 04 21:37:48 <Ainulindale> I really hope I'll be able to relieve you from a certain amount of work now
Aug 04 21:38:03 <Ainulindale> Although the entry barrier on the projects I have to work on now is a bit higher than I thought
Aug 04 21:38:10 <Ainulindale> I have about 300 pages of technical docs to read
Aug 04 21:38:16 <mrmoku> ouch :)
Aug 04 21:38:22 <Ainulindale> plus other stuff
Aug 04 21:38:24 <Ainulindale> such as meetings
Aug 04 21:38:30 <Ainulindale> (starting tomorrow)
Aug 04 21:39:26 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, ok, bedtime now
Aug 04 21:39:32 <mrmoku> remember... I'm old :P
Aug 04 21:39:50 <mrmoku> will be around tomorrow to tell you how the build did work out
Aug 04 21:40:01 <mrmoku> gnight all
Aug 04 21:41:23 <Ainulindale> mrmoku|away: good night ;-à
Aug 04 21:50:28 * Weiss sees an Illume bar at the top of his screen... KMS X.org on Openmoko is almost a reality :)
Aug 04 21:51:18 <F4t> how likely is it that the moko corrupted my sim, and now the n95 crashes every once in a while and sometimes fails to boot?
Aug 04 21:52:00 <[Rui]> F4t: never heard of that, maybe the n95 is jealous? :)
Aug 04 21:52:46 <F4t> Rui, could be, i cant seem to link the problem to anything else, or any hardware or software failure... it just occasionally dies... at end of a call, at some random transmission of data (i hear it with loud speakers)
Aug 04 21:53:30 <TAsn> F4t, that's easy to solve
Aug 04 21:53:34 <TAsn> clear sim
Aug 04 21:53:42 <TAsn> just remove sim messages and contacts
Aug 04 21:53:56 <TAsn> I don't think the moko is the cause
Aug 04 21:54:03 <TAsn> though clearing the sim will hopefully fix it.
Aug 04 21:54:33 <F4t> clearing != reformating
Aug 04 21:55:08 <TAsn> I know.
Aug 04 21:55:18 <TAsn> though you can hope it's just a matter of bad data in some field.
Aug 04 21:57:42 <F4t> ok cleared sim contacts, and messages, lets hope for the best
Aug 04 21:57:55 <TAsn> cool.
Aug 04 21:58:05 <TAsn> though since you said it fails after a call
Aug 04 21:58:19 <TAsn> it may be an issue with phonelog entries
Aug 04 21:58:26 <TAsn> and those I don't know how to clear.
Aug 04 21:58:27 <TAsn> ;\
Aug 04 21:58:59 <TAsn> btw I used to switch sims back and forth, saw nothing weird.
Aug 04 22:00:15 <F4t> could someone modify opkg to issue a warning when there are alot of packages? ("warning this will take forever, take a nap or something...")
Aug 04 22:00:52 <FiXion> what do I need to do nfs mounts on shr ?
Aug 04 22:01:08 <FiXion> dmesg complains: "RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server"
Aug 04 22:01:23 <FiXion> opkg list shows me no portmap package
Aug 04 22:01:43 <FiXion> search on rpc and nfs gave nothing either :(
Aug 04 22:02:00 <TAsn> F4t, I don't think mrmoku|away will accept any more opkg patches from me.
Aug 04 22:02:01 <TAsn> :)
Aug 04 22:02:11 <TAsn> as I killed opkg's memory even further
Aug 04 22:02:17 <F4t> lol
Aug 04 22:02:50 <TAsn> (I had no idea how bad it's situation is... it worked great here, tohugh it seems that crazy opkg can go crazy with a lot of packages)
Aug 04 22:03:10 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm starting to work on npkg soon (hopefully next saturday, not sure though)
Aug 04 22:03:21 <TAsn> I'll be more than glad to get help ;)
Aug 04 22:03:23 <FiXion> TAsn: why not ipkg ?
Aug 04 22:03:40 <TAsn> FiXion, depends on what you are asking.
Aug 04 22:03:56 <FiXion> TAsn: I don't know npkg - but 3 package managers?
Aug 04 22:03:59 <FiXion> ipkg, opkg, npkg
Aug 04 22:04:06 <TAsn> FiXion, first came ipkg
Aug 04 22:04:11 <TAsn> and it was bad.
Aug 04 22:04:16 <FiXion> opkg is a fork of ipkg afaik
Aug 04 22:04:21 <FiXion> and npkg as well I'm guessing
Aug 04 22:04:21 <TAsn> so opkg tried to fix some of ipkg's issues
Aug 04 22:04:29 <TAsn> FiXion, npkg doesn't exist yet
Aug 04 22:04:33 <TAsn> and it won't be a fork
Aug 04 22:04:37 <TAsn> but a whole rewrite
Aug 04 22:04:44 <FiXion> hehe
Aug 04 22:04:47 <TAsn> :)
Aug 04 22:04:48 <FiXion> what's so wrong with apt-get ?
Aug 04 22:04:56 <TAsn> FiXion, ppl claim it's slow.
Aug 04 22:05:05 <FiXion> try neovento on your box
Aug 04 22:05:10 <FiXion> it's just as fast as opkg
Aug 04 22:05:13 <FiXion> perhaps even faster
Aug 04 22:05:20 <TAsn> FiXion, I suggested apt-get a long time ago... 
Aug 04 22:05:26 <TAsn> FiXion, which is still rather slow...
Aug 04 22:05:41 <FiXion> on neovento it wasn't any slower than opkg
Aug 04 22:05:48 <FiXion> opkg is extremely slow
Aug 04 22:06:05 <TAsn> (not that I care that much, as package management isn't a real time need, but still...)
Aug 04 22:06:29 <FiXion> imho apt-get has the added advantage of being very well known and well used.
Aug 04 22:06:30 <[Rui]> well, flashed again with shr-20090721 and doing first boot
Aug 04 22:06:31 <TAsn> FiXion, a lot of projects can benefit from a light weight package manager
Aug 04 22:06:36 <[Rui]> this is so boring
Aug 04 22:06:41 <TAsn> FiXion, I know, I agree.
Aug 04 22:06:48 <Weiss> i think there's a strong argument for achieving something maintainable, as well
Aug 04 22:06:51 <FiXion> then why don't just improve apt-get ?
Aug 04 22:06:59 <TAsn> as I said I suggested the move to apt-get
Aug 04 22:07:01 <FiXion> apt-get seems to be absolutely maintanable
Aug 04 22:07:11 <FiXion> TAsn: then why are you working on npkg ?
Aug 04 22:07:42 <TAsn> FiXion, as people claimed it's too slow, and furthermore, more projects can benefit from a light weight packagemanager.
Aug 04 22:07:52 <FiXion> apt-get with perhaps a little "if memory < 200M - do this..."
Aug 04 22:07:55 <TAsn> FiXion, btw, I still haven't started working on that.
Aug 04 22:08:17 <FiXion> TAsn: I hope you'll test apt-get (done easily by installing neovento f.ex.)
Aug 04 22:08:21 <F4t> TAsn, how about making that ur project? or it has to be hebrew related?
Aug 04 22:08:26 <TAsn> FiXion, the fixes needed won't be accepted in apt-get and will only make a spagethi code
Aug 04 22:08:31 <FiXion> IMHO we don't need yet another *pkg
Aug 04 22:08:34 <TAsn> F4t, hebrew and internet.
Aug 04 22:08:36 <TAsn> :(
Aug 04 22:08:37 <FiXion> TAsn: you talked to the devs?
Aug 04 22:08:46 <TAsn> FiXion, apt-get? no, not yet.
Aug 04 22:08:52 <FiXion> then how do you know?
Aug 04 22:08:57 <FiXion> normally they'll listen to reason
Aug 04 22:09:03 <TAsn> FiXion, it's not reason
Aug 04 22:09:04 <FiXion> and def. apt-get should work in low mem areas
Aug 04 22:09:17 <TAsn> it's just that apt-get is designed to be feature rich
Aug 04 22:09:23 <TAsn> and therefore heavy weight
Aug 04 22:09:26 <FiXion> and seems to work better than opkg - in the few uses I've done
Aug 04 22:09:38 <FiXion> TAsn: that's not necessarily so
Aug 04 22:09:44 <TAsn> FiXion, as I said, in the meanwhile I think it's a better solution.
Aug 04 22:10:12 <TAsn> FiXion, I'm comparing apt-get to itself, more features = more data = more ram/hd space
Aug 04 22:10:16 <FiXion> I've finally gotten my sd card
Aug 04 22:10:17 <TAsn> that's a fact ;)
Aug 04 22:10:30 <TAsn> and when you process more data you also have more computations
Aug 04 22:10:31 <FiXion> so I'll install debian on it and have a look at it's memory usage and comparing it to opkg
Aug 04 22:10:47 <TAsn> FiXion, I'm 99% sure it's better than opkg ;)
Aug 04 22:10:50 <TAsn> no doubt about that.
Aug 04 22:11:07 <FiXion> but you (alone?) can do better?
Aug 04 22:11:09 <TAsn> (I know I kinda contradicted myself)
Aug 04 22:11:24 <TAsn> FiXion, first of all, I'm not planning on working alone.
Aug 04 22:11:30 <FiXion> I'm betting apt-get will be easier to "slim"
Aug 04 22:11:31 <TAsn> second of all, I wish.
Aug 04 22:11:44 <TAsn> FiXion, so you are suggestion an apt-get fork?
Aug 04 22:11:47 <FiXion> and if the slimming is designed well - perhaps like a "busybox apt-get version" or something.. (compile option)
Aug 04 22:12:04 <FiXion> could simply be part of apt-get.
Aug 04 22:12:16 <FiXion> ./configure --slim :)
Aug 04 22:12:29 <TAsn> FiXion, I really think making it a compile option will make the code spaghetti
Aug 04 22:12:39 <FiXion> but first you need to actually show what features are really heavier
Aug 04 22:12:51 <FiXion> I haven't looked at the apt-get code design - so I don't know
Aug 04 22:12:57 <TAsn> FiXion, as I said
Aug 04 22:13:03 <TAsn> I haven't started working
Aug 04 22:13:05 <FiXion> it doesn't have to be. if It's already modular 
Aug 04 22:13:10 <TAsn> I will of course review apt's design
Aug 04 22:13:11 <FiXion> it would be easy
Aug 04 22:13:18 <TAsn> as well as pacman's
Aug 04 22:13:24 <TAsn> and maybe others?
Aug 04 22:13:32 <FiXion> but first you'd need to identify what is actually "heavy and unnecessary"
Aug 04 22:13:41 <TAsn> FiXion, I know.
Aug 04 22:13:53 <FiXion> well.. yum/rpm is slow.. but I don't know how memory hungry they are
Aug 04 22:13:58 <TAsn> FiXion, but also, many package managers (including opkg btw) cache stuff
Aug 04 22:14:00 <FiXion> or urpmi for that matter (mandrake)
Aug 04 22:14:07 <FiXion> TAsn: file cache
Aug 04 22:14:15 <TAsn> no, I mean memory cache
Aug 04 22:14:16 <FiXion> not exactly a problem
Aug 04 22:14:18 <TAsn> opkg for instance
Aug 04 22:14:38 <TAsn> loads all the info about all the packages to memory on boot
Aug 04 22:15:18 <TAsn> and then searches stuff in a not necessarily efficient way.
Aug 04 22:15:30 <FiXion> I'll bet apt-get does better than that
Aug 04 22:15:38 <TAsn> FiXion, Believe me that I don't want to work hard :)
Aug 04 22:15:51 <TAsn> nor do I want to reinvent the wheel
Aug 04 22:16:02 <TAsn> though there's a reason why apt-get is as heavy as it is
Aug 04 22:16:07 <FiXion> what?
Aug 04 22:16:09 <TAsn> and why ipkg is used on low memory devices
Aug 04 22:16:15 <TAsn> and not apt-get
Aug 04 22:16:27 <FiXion> and you keep saying it's heavy.. what parts actually make it heavy?
Aug 04 22:16:49 <TAsn> FiXion, as I said, in opkg it's mostly the caching and the forking
Aug 04 22:16:57 <TAsn> in apt-get, I haven't checked yet
Aug 04 22:17:00 <FiXion> it seems to run perfectly on freerunner - whereas opkg dies everytime I try to upgrade a larger package (or many) such as navit
Aug 04 22:17:16 <TAsn> FiXion, that's probably because it has solid error checking
Aug 04 22:17:18 <TAsn> not like opkg.
Aug 04 22:17:19 <FiXion> which seems it handles low memsituations a lot better
Aug 04 22:17:29 <FiXion> TAsn: it finishes the upgrade
Aug 04 22:17:35 <FiXion> doesn't return an error
Aug 04 22:17:36 <TAsn> FiXion, yes.
Aug 04 22:17:44 <TAsn> FiXion, it does reach errors though
Aug 04 22:17:47 <TAsn> let me explain:
Aug 04 22:17:51 <TAsn> opkg's way:
Aug 04 22:18:09 <FiXion> also - a swap file is a very nice idea
Aug 04 22:18:10 <TAsn> install a pack, request for memory, can't get memory, crash.
Aug 04 22:18:26 <TAsn> apt-get's way: (based on assumptions)
Aug 04 22:18:53 <TAsn> install a pack, request for memory, can't get memory, finish previous tasks, ask for memory again, finish without errors.
Aug 04 22:18:57 <TAsn> or something like that.
Aug 04 22:19:06 <TAsn> maybe it just doesn't fork-bomb like opkg
Aug 04 22:19:24 <TAsn> no idea, as I said, I haven't written any code yet, just checking options.
Aug 04 22:19:35 <TAsn> starting to work on, means researching other package managers
Aug 04 22:19:49 <TAsn> I may decide to fork/contribute to an existing one
Aug 04 22:20:08 <TAsn> I'll surely borrow a lot of code/use libdpkg (or what ever it's name is)
Aug 04 22:20:39 <TAsn> but I'll not compromise on solid memory management.
Aug 04 22:20:39 <FiXion> I just saw someone reporting that apt-get slowed to a crawl in low mem situations
Aug 04 22:20:50 <FiXion> but finishes.. it simply swithces methods if it can't get mem
Aug 04 22:21:02 <TAsn> FiXion, as I assumed.. (couple of lines ago)
Aug 04 22:21:11 <TAsn> FiXion, a work queue is the proper way to go.
Aug 04 22:21:27 <FiXion> that's not what you wrote (as I understood it)
Aug 04 22:21:34 <TAsn> <TAsn> install a pack, request for memory, can't get memory, finish previous tasks, ask for memory again, finish without errors.
Aug 04 22:21:42 <TAsn> finish previous tasks
Aug 04 22:21:48 <TAsn>  ask for memory again
Aug 04 22:21:57 <TAsn> that's exactly what I meant.
Aug 04 22:22:00 <FiXion> why would it need to ask for mem - if it finished the task it needed it for?
Aug 04 22:22:01 <F4t> im off to sleep, night all
Aug 04 22:22:16 <TAsn> FiXion, I meant "attempt to install a package"
Aug 04 22:22:17 <TAsn> :)
Aug 04 22:22:21 <FiXion> finish task - in lowmem situation
Aug 04 22:22:40 <FiXion> or in "lowmem-way"
Aug 04 22:22:47 <FiXion> lowmem-but-slower-way
Aug 04 22:23:10 <TAsn> FiXion, I bet it doesn't continue with the task, but puts it on hold
Aug 04 22:23:16 <TAsn> until it's other tasks are done
Aug 04 22:23:21 <TAsn> and then continuse
Aug 04 22:23:24 <TAsn> continues
Aug 04 22:23:31 <FiXion> put it to the test - before you write your own?
Aug 04 22:23:32 <FiXion> :)
Aug 04 22:23:33 <TAsn> i.e if it tries to install 4 packages at the same time.
Aug 04 22:23:41 <TAsn> FiXion, as I said before
Aug 04 22:23:42 <TAsn> I'm lazy
Aug 04 22:23:46 <TAsn> I don't like to work hard
Aug 04 22:23:48 <TAsn> of course I will
Aug 04 22:23:49 <FiXion> hehe
Aug 04 22:24:05 <TAsn> I perfectly know a rewrite is a last resort
Aug 04 22:24:27 <TAsn> but it's a resort worth thinking about
Aug 04 22:24:28 <FiXion> I'm glad. even though you are ofcourse welcome to write your own (yet another package manager) :)
Aug 04 22:24:33 <FiXion> not to me.
Aug 04 22:24:40 <FiXion> when there's already so many - which all aren't good enough
Aug 04 22:24:49 <FiXion> I would not expect to be able to do it single-handedly
Aug 04 22:24:54 <FiXion> no matter how easy it seems
Aug 04 22:25:03 <TAsn> FiXion, sometimes a design choice doesn't suite the task at hand.
Aug 04 22:25:07 <FiXion> the history should be intimidating
Aug 04 22:25:15 <TAsn> FiXion, I am intimidated
Aug 04 22:25:22 <TAsn> that's why I created a wiki page
Aug 04 22:25:31 <TAsn> for developer/user discussion
Aug 04 22:25:33 <FiXion> link?
Aug 04 22:25:43 <TAsn> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Npkg
Aug 04 22:25:55 <TAsn> I wanted to see what the users consider as core features
Aug 04 22:26:10 <TAsn> and design choices suggested by developers
Aug 04 22:26:41 <TAsn> please contribute if you have something to add.
Aug 04 22:27:08 <FiXion> I'm very much looking forward to what you find when looking at apt-get
Aug 04 22:27:09 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm intimidated, no doubt about that, it's a big and a hard project.
Aug 04 22:27:29 <FiXion> I'm expecting it will be well suited
Aug 04 22:27:35 <TAsn> but I'll try my best doing what'll I decide it's the correct way to go.
Aug 04 22:27:39 <TAsn> anyhow, I really gtg to sleep.
Aug 04 22:27:45 <FiXion> sleep well :)
Aug 04 22:27:49 <TAsn> ciao.
Aug 04 22:27:51 <TAsn> thanks.
Aug 04 22:27:54 <FiXion> thanks for sharing
Aug 04 22:27:57 <FiXion> and listening :)
Aug 04 22:28:07 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: you really wanna go asleep now?
Aug 04 22:28:39 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, yes.
Aug 04 22:28:42 <TAsn> why?
Aug 04 22:28:44 * FiXion starts flashing his gsm modem
Aug 04 22:29:07 <DocScrutinizer> tztztz, just I had a first look at my PC for 5h
Aug 04 22:29:37 <TAsn> bah, /me is running before another interesting discussion will start.
Aug 04 22:29:40 <DocScrutinizer> heh, it's 10 o'clock in the morning (somewher e in honolulu) ;-)
Aug 04 22:29:44 <TAsn> night again. :)
Aug 04 22:30:16 <DocScrutinizer> FiXion: hehe sounds like it might make my day
Aug 04 22:30:41 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: night fella
Aug 04 22:31:52 <DocScrutinizer> FiXion: hope U use uSD method
Aug 04 22:34:28 <[Rui]> any expectations of when shr-u stabilizes a little from last shake up? a few days? :)
Aug 04 22:38:56 <FiXion> DocScrutinizer: yup -absolutely love the nobrainer method :)
Aug 04 22:43:14 <FiXion> have you all switched to qi bootloader ?
Aug 04 22:46:49 <DocScrutinizer> bah, why?
Aug 04 22:51:14 <DocScrutinizer> qi hype is the best hoax ever
Aug 04 22:52:38 <FiXion> DocScrutinizer: do you boot from sd or nand usually?
Aug 04 22:53:21 <DocScrutinizer> depends on moonphase and which of the 12 neos I actally use
Aug 04 22:54:10 <FiXion> hehe :)
Aug 04 22:54:26 <FiXion> so you just boot into nor and choose boot from microsd ?
Aug 04 22:55:20 <FiXion> and then I figure kernel has to be on p1 on sd
Aug 04 23:08:07 <DocScrutinizer> depends, once again. boot to nor and boot to nand are equivalent, except nor is mutch faster and usually has a more convenient loglevel (not that much nagedinag on console)
Aug 04 23:09:39 <DocScrutinizer> otoh my beloved "don't panic" bootscreen will shine up on nand boot exclusively
Aug 04 23:13:05 <DocScrutinizer> then again for booting to nor you need both hands, whereas boot to nand needs just 9sec patience and one hand's thumb
Aug 04 23:13:24 <FiXion> I'll start with just modifying uBoot settings on nand then.
Aug 04 23:13:39 <FiXion> so it'll boot sd first
Aug 04 23:13:58 <FiXion> like the debianonfreerunner wiki page suggests
Aug 04 23:14:33 <DocScrutinizer> should be easy
Aug 04 23:16:57 <FiXion> DocScrutinizer: what distro do you use?
Aug 04 23:17:14 <DocScrutinizer> shr(-u)
Aug 04 23:17:57 <DocScrutinizer> and an occasional fso-console or OM-fab-test image
Aug 04 23:19:09 <DocScrutinizer> shr-u is borked since 4 weeks though. 20090703 here
Aug 04 23:21:01 <DocScrutinizer> and usually I runn this http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/opkg-u script to get rid of some annoyances and have the tools I want
Aug 04 23:21:43 <DocScrutinizer> honnour to mrmoku|away for providing the original version
Aug 04 23:22:21 <FiXion> borked
Aug 04 23:22:32 <DocScrutinizer> *I HATE BUSYBOX!*
Aug 04 23:22:33 <FiXion> yikes.. opkg upgrade is well on way
Aug 04 23:22:46 * FiXion agrees wholeheartedly with DocScrutinizer 
Aug 04 23:23:13 <FiXion> should I stop opkg upgrade?
Aug 04 23:23:20 <FiXion> it has upgraded several fso packages
Aug 04 23:24:07 <DocScrutinizer> if U dare to opkg upgrade, you should know you need to upgrade opkg itself first. New version needs A lib you have to install. Ask dos1 (duck and cover ;-P ) for details
Aug 04 23:24:54 <DocScrutinizer> if you encounter opkg: failure to fork errors, you lost.
Aug 04 23:25:58 <DocScrutinizer> install new libopkg.so (or whatever it's called) with old opkg, then update opkg binary itself, then you may upgrade
Aug 04 23:26:16 <FiXion> crap I forgot to upgrade opkg itself first :(
Aug 04 23:26:25 <FiXion> it should really do that automagicly :(
Aug 04 23:26:33 <DocScrutinizer> so maybe you may still stop doom
Aug 04 23:26:36 <FiXion> I added 256mb swap though
Aug 04 23:26:55 <FiXion> in the hopes of eleviating it's pain :)
Aug 04 23:27:20 <DocScrutinizer> nah, new opkg needs a lib that's non-existent on old systems
Aug 04 23:27:25 <FiXion> how do install new libopkg.so ?
Aug 04 23:27:28 <FiXion> how old is old?
Aug 04 23:27:37 <FiXion> I have upgraded opkg in july
Aug 04 23:27:43 <FiXion> around ~10
Aug 04 23:27:47 <DocScrutinizer> dunno why, but on upgrading opkg itself, this lib seems to be lost
Aug 04 23:28:10 <FiXion> if I have libopkg.so on my system - I have a new enough one?
Aug 04 23:29:35 <DocScrutinizer> probably then, I'm no expert for that nonsense. I adviced Tasn and dos1 to include a way to execute a deal-with-special-case script each time opkg is started, so they could avoid this mess at least for next time
Aug 04 23:30:30 <FiXion> funny. it updates kernel-image.
Aug 04 23:30:31 <DocScrutinizer> I guess they ignored me (like they do so many times ;-P )
Aug 04 23:30:38 <FiXion> but shr is on nand - so it uses seperate partion for kernel
Aug 04 23:31:10 <FiXion> or atleast I hope it's funny - and they are not screwing the modules - so I need to get the new kernel image from shr-u ?
Aug 04 23:31:16 <DocScrutinizer> yo, there's sth strange with dual kernel images
Aug 04 23:32:34 <DocScrutinizer> I never dared to pkg upgrade, to be honest. I save my config data, then flash kernel and root partition, and restore data
Aug 04 23:33:09 <FiXion> and diff config files?
Aug 04 23:33:19 <DocScrutinizer> basically you could even update kernel image on kernel nand partition. It's writeable from userland
Aug 04 23:33:49 <DocScrutinizer> (diff) that's rudimentary
Aug 04 23:33:51 <FiXion> I tried running fso-abyss - calling didn't work :(
Aug 04 23:34:00 <DocScrutinizer> duh
Aug 04 23:34:14 <FiXion> DocScrutinizer: no. I was asking if you then diff'ed the rules.yaml etc. before overwriting after an upgrade
Aug 04 23:34:16 <DocScrutinizer> abyss worked great here
Aug 04 23:34:27 <FiXion> I was on moko10
Aug 04 23:34:36 <FiXion> upgraded to moko11 now. perhaps I'll give fso-abyss another show
Aug 04 23:34:44 <FiXion> if I still have a working phone :)
Aug 04 23:34:54 <DocScrutinizer> no i use the new ones, and go thru a few config steps to change a few settings manually
Aug 04 23:35:35 <FiXion> hmm opkg upgrade finished.
Aug 04 23:35:46 <FiXion> by throwing me off my ssh connection - after reconnecting dropbear
Aug 04 23:35:52 <larsc> w 17
Aug 04 23:35:53 <DocScrutinizer> if I had sth I need to change from default frequently, then I try to figure a way to do that by e.g. a mdbus call
Aug 04 23:35:57 <FiXion> I just hoped that was the last package it needed to configure :)
Aug 04 23:36:58 <FiXion> pretty lousy that dropbear kills the open ssh connections when given a restart
Aug 04 23:37:29 <DocScrutinizer> but quite inevitable
Aug 04 23:37:32 <FiXion> no
Aug 04 23:37:35 <FiXion> openssh doesn't
Aug 04 23:37:43 <FiXion> it only restarts the daemon listening on port 22
Aug 04 23:37:49 <FiXion> not the forked childs
Aug 04 23:37:53 <DocScrutinizer> k
Aug 04 23:38:02 <DocScrutinizer> too late for me
Aug 04 23:38:06 <FiXion> I believe the daemon on port 22 is just sighup'ed
Aug 04 23:38:21 <DocScrutinizer> yup, nohup helps
Aug 04 23:38:24 <FiXion> too late for me as well
Aug 04 23:38:33 <FiXion> should have run it with nohup then
Aug 04 23:38:40 <FiXion> didn't think it would be so lousy
Aug 04 23:38:57 <DocScrutinizer> X another one
Aug 04 23:39:08 <DocScrutinizer> kills the local terminal ;-P
Aug 04 23:39:14 <FiXion> dropbear seems to spaw a process for each connection as well
Aug 04 23:39:20 <FiXion> spawn
Aug 04 23:39:26 <FiXion> so perhaps the init script is just crap
Aug 04 23:39:37 <FiXion> or dropbear does not support sighup
Aug 04 23:39:39 <DocScrutinizer> dunno
Aug 04 23:39:51 <DocScrutinizer> dropbear is crap anywaY
Aug 04 23:40:22 <FiXion> is it really that much less memory hungry than openssh ?
Aug 04 23:40:32 <DocScrutinizer> dunno
Aug 04 23:40:44 <FiXion> is openssh in shr repos even?
Aug 04 23:41:51 <DocScrutinizer> I give a shit about mem-saving apps that are worth nothing. If I have to do a job, it takes the amount of mem it takes, but the tools aren't crippled like busybox or dropbear or...
Aug 04 23:42:13 <DocScrutinizer> yup, openssh easily replaces dropbear
Aug 04 23:42:42 <DocScrutinizer> (why isn't that in my script yet?)
Aug 04 23:47:09 <FiXion> hehe - but you run out of memory - and need swap for the system to just work...
Aug 04 23:47:27 <FiXion> so I agree - as long as the memory usage doesn't go beyond what the freerunner has
Aug 04 23:55:52 <FiXion> when running opkg under screen - it doesn't stop when it wants to ask something :(
Aug 04 23:55:57 <FiXion> it just takes the default (N) :(
Aug 04 23:56:10 <FiXion> any idea what I need to do to work around that?
Aug 05 02:47:14 <Sharwin_F> hmm got freeciv compiled on the freerunner
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