**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 09 02:59:57 2009 Aug 09 06:59:01 i'm getting a segfault in SHR unstable fsousaged about an assertion domain != null: http://pastebin.com/d27c0b72a anyone know how to fix that? Aug 09 07:08:48 mrmoku|away: ok, i couldn't actually got it to work but gathered enough information to be valueable. I think i miss only some tiny bit: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Preliminary_information_about_bluez4_networking Aug 09 07:08:55 mrmoku|away: it's almost complete howto. Aug 09 07:11:04 is that specific to om? Aug 09 07:11:16 tmzt: sure not Aug 09 07:11:39 it would be helpful if the bluez wiki had something like that, every other quesition in #bluez-users is about it Aug 09 07:12:35 cool Aug 09 07:13:36 tmzt: bluez wiki is horribly outdated. Aug 09 07:13:56 tmzt: it's supposed that everything needed is described in the doc/*api.txt in the sources. Aug 09 07:14:10 the old python stuff was useful though Aug 09 07:14:13 tmzt: if my instructions are correct, they can be copied to bluez wiki later. Aug 09 07:14:36 tmzt: doing dbus calls is trivial with python anyway. You just need to know what and when to call. Aug 09 07:14:55 right Aug 09 07:15:12 but it's very hard to have to explain that to someone when copy/pasting a utility is easier Aug 09 07:28:30 PaulFertser: morning! Aug 09 07:29:14 PaulFertser: I've built last year some bluetooth manager for bluez3 Aug 09 07:29:26 Q-Master: morning :D Aug 09 07:29:38 Q-Master: then please read my instructions and say what is wrong Aug 09 07:30:26 PaulFertser: even obexftp woked. 8) Aug 09 07:30:36 need to rebuild this app for bluez4 Aug 09 07:30:40 it is not hard Aug 09 07:30:47 and it is dbus capable Aug 09 07:30:51 Q-Master: :D cool Aug 09 07:35:21 btw, do anybody able to scan wifi with mokonnect? Aug 09 08:04:49 tmzt: i successfully used my FR as a NAP now! Aug 09 08:06:15 http://openpandora.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/new-keymat-photo-the-only-way-is-up/ Aug 09 08:06:27 oh, cool Aug 09 08:07:45 anyone know if s3c2442 has usb2.0 host? Aug 09 08:10:26 tmzt: GN works too Aug 09 08:10:45 well, nice Aug 09 08:36:23 So verified that both my FR and my laptop can serve as NAP/GN. But no still no luck with PANU :-/ Aug 09 08:37:31 device to device? Aug 09 08:37:35 what is PANU exactly? Aug 09 08:37:44 Funny, a usual trend: being a server is easier for *nix systems. Aug 09 08:38:00 tmzt: can you read my little "howto" please? Aug 09 08:38:16 I started to, hold on Aug 09 08:38:30 tmzt: i want to verify that after reading it a user will understand PANU and other swear words ;) Aug 09 08:38:34 I mean, how does it get an ip without one being server Aug 09 08:39:16 tmzt: ifconfig can set ip for any interface. Aug 09 08:39:24 tmzt: or modern "ip" utility Aug 09 08:39:42 tmzt: on WM there's some weird way to configure any interface to "static" ip too. Aug 09 08:40:09 (that said i managed to use it and i could actually share my FR's internet connection with PocketPC-running PDA) Aug 09 08:40:26 why does part of that page use pand if it's not installed? Aug 09 08:40:41 yeah, but my smartphone (motoq) only does GN for some reason Aug 09 08:40:55 I have to have a script in /etc/bluetooth/network.conf to make it work at all Aug 09 08:41:25 I know, but what do you gain from using PANU on both devices, or did I misunderstand that Aug 09 08:41:46 why is the UUID needed? Aug 09 08:42:33 PaulFertser: hi! found my problem yesterday at 03:00AM at common.vala (libflsframework)....and repared it like you wrote...thanks again!! :-) parameterthing.... Aug 09 08:43:03 s/libflsframework/libfsoframework Aug 09 08:44:31 tmzt: well i didn't write the whole page. I've written only bluez4 section. Aug 09 08:44:44 oh, ok Aug 09 08:44:45 tmzt: i'm not sure if bluez3 info should be removed immediately. Aug 09 08:45:08 so you mean if PANU is used as client, then the server is expected to assign ips or they are static? Aug 09 08:45:16 tmzt: i want bluetooth networking between my FR and my laptop, for that one of them must be a PANU and this is still i can't get to work. Aug 09 08:45:27 they problem I think is this doesn't read like a howto, no specific goal for each section Aug 09 08:45:34 right Aug 09 08:45:42 tmzt: UUID is not strictly needed, you can use "friendly" string like "GN" or "NAP" instead. Aug 09 08:46:08 tmzt: yes, it's not a howto. Just (almost) enough information to get what one wants. Aug 09 08:46:12 yeah, it's not device specific Aug 09 08:46:33 tmzt: after a user knows how to do anything he can do what he wants. Aug 09 08:46:35 is dbus-send really enough though? I don't believe it's sufficent to pair for example Aug 09 08:46:37 schasc1: Hello :D Aug 09 08:46:44 oh, I wish that was the case Aug 09 08:47:26 tmzt: correct pairing is already described several times on that page. "simple-agent" works. Aug 09 08:47:48 ah, okay Aug 09 08:48:02 and what about encrpytion, some devices need it off for instance Aug 09 08:48:41 looks like those devices are per device in the latest version though in the dbus api Aug 09 08:49:01 looks like those settings (encryption, etc.) are per device .. Aug 09 08:59:43 tmzt: i'm yet to understand how to set link encryption and other parameters with dbus api. Aug 09 09:23:21 tmzt: do you probably know how to switch roles with bluez4? Aug 09 09:23:40 It might be that for PANU the host should be bluetooth slave. Aug 09 09:23:43 no, I asked the last question in #bluez since somebody seems to be there Aug 09 09:24:01 I know you can do it with hcitool or hciconfig Aug 09 09:35:29 tmzt: but hciconfig is not per connection. Aug 09 09:37:23 moin Aug 09 09:37:30 DocScrutinizer: hi :) Aug 09 09:38:08 12:05 < tmzt> is it possible to set link encryption per-link or per-device with Aug 09 09:38:11 dbus? Aug 09 09:38:14 12:08 < jhe> tmzt: no Aug 09 09:38:17 12:09 < tmzt> well, does negotiating those paramters work properly? Aug 09 09:38:19 12:09 < tmzt> as in, if another device doesn't support encryption or has it Aug 09 09:38:22 disabled (or requires it) Aug 09 09:38:25 12:13 < jhe> it should work properly. and it's typically per-profile and not Aug 09 09:38:27 mokonnect looks rather cool, but seems I need a mini-howto aka manpage to understand how it works Aug 09 09:38:28 per-device. Aug 09 09:38:30 12:14 < tmzt> can it be set per-profile then? Aug 09 09:38:33 12:14 < tmzt> through dbus Aug 09 09:38:36 12:14 < jhe> no Aug 09 09:38:38 12:14 < jhe> the defaults should be fine Aug 09 09:41:02 tmzt: ok, thanks. Probably he can say something about my problems: http://pastebin.com/m6e9ca6cb Aug 09 09:41:46 can you join over there? Aug 09 09:44:52 anybody here to toss me a pointer to mokonnect howto (e.g. "how to activate a profile?") Aug 09 09:45:07 tmzt: over where? #bluez-users? Aug 09 09:45:25 #bluez Aug 09 09:47:36 are -unstable packages currently build ? Aug 09 09:48:18 TAsn: i'm alive but i'm in the train Aug 09 09:48:37 will be at home tonight Aug 09 09:49:09 gprs with abyss/shr-settings is great but slow ;-) Aug 09 09:49:47 because I get an error while opkg upgrade Aug 09 09:49:54 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for fsousaged: Aug 09 09:49:55 * libfsoframework0 (>= 0.1.0.0+gitr368+e808af24134049c4f41e77f6e5de1c9144a7e7b1) * Aug 09 09:50:11 and that package isn't in feed with that gitr Aug 09 09:50:13 ;) Aug 09 09:51:47 soltys, gta01? Aug 09 09:52:01 mrmoku: a job for you Aug 09 09:52:12 tooo slow here Aug 09 09:52:12 mrmoku: gta02 Aug 09 09:52:14 Ainulindale, libfsoframework did not build last night Aug 09 09:52:25 some logger changes in libfsobasics :( Aug 09 09:52:49 grrrmbllll Aug 09 09:52:55 mickeyl, ping :) Aug 09 09:52:59 ;) Aug 09 09:55:23 schasc1, ping, does it work? Aug 09 10:03:14 mrmoku: wow, thanks to tmzt i came to the #bluez channel and now bluetooth networking really works! :D Aug 09 10:04:02 :) Aug 09 10:04:04 mrmoku: the latest image? Aug 09 10:04:11 PaulFertser, already took a look at you howto Aug 09 10:04:14 schasch, yes Aug 09 10:04:23 mrmoku: but it will be complete soon :D Aug 09 10:04:32 :D Aug 09 10:04:34 mrmoku:on buildhost? Aug 09 10:04:43 the one from last night Aug 09 10:04:49 (buildhost) Aug 09 10:04:52 PaulFertser: you found how to keep it alive? Aug 09 10:04:58 what about a pan.py or something? Aug 09 10:05:16 tmzt: yes, used minimal python script for that Aug 09 10:05:33 mrmoku: it worked very good....didn't test calling..... thankx Aug 09 10:05:43 schasch, finally :-) Aug 09 10:05:58 mrmoku: :-) Aug 09 10:06:52 morning Aug 09 10:07:09 methril_home, morning Aug 09 10:07:59 mrmoku: are you the responsible for shr - OE.dev transsition? Aug 09 10:08:53 methril_home, I will take part in it, yeah Aug 09 10:09:00 (responsible is such a hard wording ;) Aug 09 10:09:29 methril_home, I will look into the SHR specific parts of it Aug 09 10:09:33 i'd like to help to get the process faster Aug 09 10:09:57 methril_home, well, feel free Aug 09 10:10:07 I did not start yet as we had serious build problems Aug 09 10:10:15 (which are sorted out now) Aug 09 10:10:19 mrmoku, but i didn't want to double efforts Aug 09 10:10:24 nice to hear!! Aug 09 10:10:30 howwe could coordinate? Aug 09 10:10:46 s/howwe/how we Aug 09 10:11:12 methril_home, hmm... before starting it I wanted to get the testing image done Aug 09 10:11:24 and then I will be away for three weeks :P Aug 09 10:11:25 oh! ok Aug 09 10:11:35 so maybe you can just start to look into it Aug 09 10:11:36 i'm being away only one week Aug 09 10:11:40 ok Aug 09 10:12:24 i'm going to do a local branch with the oe.dev repo and putting shr packages and see what happen :) Aug 09 10:12:35 ok, good :) Aug 09 10:13:21 i'll send the patches to shr for review or to OElist? Aug 09 10:15:16 methril_home, you can do both Aug 09 10:16:37 shr-devel to make it easy for us to track and apply them Aug 09 10:16:50 and oe-devel to see what OE people think about them ;) Aug 09 10:19:04 OK Aug 09 10:22:46 <[Rui]> so far, shr-u 8-8 image has worked fine for me :) Aug 09 10:22:55 <[Rui]> congratulations :) Aug 09 10:23:01 what is that? Aug 09 10:23:07 shr-u 8-8 Aug 09 10:27:35 mrmoku: ok, here you go: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Information_about_bluez4_networking Aug 09 10:34:16 PaulFertser, thanks, will try if it works for my FR and my server too :) Aug 09 10:34:56 tmzt, yesterday's image... as yesterday was August 8th :) Aug 09 10:37:43 and hsr-u? Aug 09 10:49:27 tmzt, just a typo I think Aug 09 10:49:35 oh, ok Aug 09 11:08:55 DocScrutinizer, how is the OSS alsa wrapper thingie called? Aug 09 11:09:07 aoss Aug 09 11:09:13 ahh, ok thanks Aug 09 11:09:18 we don't have that installed by default Aug 09 11:09:25 duh Aug 09 11:09:33 BAAAAD :-) Aug 09 11:10:31 hello, how to install opimd on SHR with working contacts messages and calls? Aug 09 11:10:33 alsa-oss... hmm Aug 09 11:10:47 TAsn: where is my ToDo? ;) Aug 09 11:11:28 pbaxter: it's installed by default, but not uses (expect of Calls, it's used by phonelog) Aug 09 11:11:39 s/uses/used Aug 09 11:11:57 Heinervdm: so which software does use opimd? Aug 09 11:12:34 pbaxter: pyphonelog and the test scripts of dos (opimd-utils) Aug 09 11:12:43 ok Aug 09 11:12:45 with opimd-contacts and opimd-messages Aug 09 11:13:12 but also Heinervdm why can't i use opkg on lite-om-gta02.jffs2 ? Aug 09 11:14:26 pbaxter: latest shr-lite? Aug 09 11:15:31 mrmoku: is the 8.8. image still broken? Aug 09 11:15:47 Heinervdm: latest lite-om-gta02.jffs2 Aug 09 11:15:49 that is the name Aug 09 11:15:58 Heinervdm, no Aug 09 11:16:04 works for me and others Aug 09 11:16:05 :) Aug 09 11:16:34 pbaxter: so don't know whats wrong... Aug 09 11:16:51 me neither Aug 09 11:16:56 that's why me is asking Aug 09 11:17:22 pbaxter: mrmoku is the expert for this ;) Aug 09 11:17:34 pbaxter, we lost the symlink for opkg somewhere on the road Aug 09 11:17:39 opkg-cl Aug 09 11:18:16 ok thx mrmoku Aug 09 11:20:45 uhh, yeah... just found out it was my fault :P Aug 09 11:20:50 * mrmoku will fix Aug 09 11:22:35 thx mrmoku Aug 09 11:22:53 first lunch though :P Aug 09 11:25:29 King Crimson - Epitaph Aug 09 11:25:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfFWE8vIBCA Aug 09 11:33:51 pbaxter: huh??! bUsually I like to listen to KC in the evening ;-D Aug 09 11:34:20 lol...i like them everytime Aug 09 11:34:26 DocScrutinizer Aug 09 11:35:15 hmm, yes. But epitaph is one of the more special ones - depends on my mood :-S Aug 09 11:35:29 a good song for OM anyway :-P Aug 09 11:35:59 DocScrutinizer i like this song a lot Aug 09 11:36:40 pbaxter: used to be my favourite from ~1978..1990 Aug 09 11:37:10 ok...DocScrutinizer i'm born in 1991 Aug 09 11:37:12 so.. Aug 09 11:37:57 kudos for your good taste you were able to build up despite this handicap Aug 09 11:38:33 lol Aug 09 11:38:40 lol Doc Aug 09 11:46:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KI7ZRY3I9g Aug 09 11:46:39 for me DocScrutinizer Aug 09 11:46:40 ? Aug 09 11:46:46 yup Aug 09 11:47:08 i'll watrch it Aug 09 11:47:10 watch* Aug 09 11:47:48 i can't delete an sms from the opimd sms Aug 09 11:50:40 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for fsousaged: * libfsoframework0 (>= 0.1.0.0+gitr368+e808af24134049c4f41e77f6e5de1c9144a7e7b1) * Aug 09 11:58:55 DocScrutinizer: i like it a lot Aug 09 11:58:59 DocScrutinizer: i like it a lot Aug 09 11:59:00 DocScrutinizer: i like it a lot Aug 09 11:59:00 DocScrutinizer: i like it a lot Aug 09 11:59:01 DocScrutinizer: i like it a lot Aug 09 11:59:15 darn, *really* can't say which of the first 8 records of KC is my top of favourites. I guess RED has a good chance Aug 09 12:00:21 and other groups you like? Aug 09 12:00:37 zappa Aug 09 12:00:39 for example: Genesis, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin or something similar Aug 09 12:00:49 Frank zappa? Aug 09 12:01:01 all of those you mentioned of course as well Aug 09 12:01:12 yup, frankyboy Aug 09 12:01:19 FZ Aug 09 12:01:23 Hm, I haven't listened to Red, only Larks Toungues, In The Court of the Crimson King, Three of a Perfect Pair and Thrak Aug 09 12:01:38 i like In the court of the crimson king Aug 09 12:01:43 thrak is hummm... ambivalent Aug 09 12:02:13 in the wake of pesseidon is a very nice record Aug 09 12:02:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSe_A3VQXso Aug 09 12:02:17 in the court Aug 09 12:02:35 also i have the cd of genesis nursery crime (it was of my father for i'm only 18) Aug 09 12:02:46 and i like "musical Box" song a lot a lot alot Aug 09 12:02:56 Doc...going to buy cigarettes, cya later Aug 09 12:03:02 cya Aug 09 12:05:41 Anyone good at writing info messages? What should a bluetooth PIN agent ask a user? _("Enter a PIN to connect to %s (%s)") % (name, address) ? Aug 09 12:09:48 dunno thrashold Aug 09 12:11:28 mrmoku: hey, is it possible to include simple daemon agent.c from bluez sources in compiled form? It does exactly what i want: starts from command line and supplyies the same pin given as a parameter. Aug 09 12:13:03 mrmoku.. i think also the link for fdisk is borken Aug 09 12:13:05 DocScrutinizer, aoss does not work due to /usr/$LIB/libaoss.so Aug 09 12:13:06 broke* Aug 09 12:13:08 broken* Aug 09 12:13:13 remember we had that already... Aug 09 12:13:13 i can't find fdisk Aug 09 12:13:29 no it's working now Aug 09 12:13:31 xcuseme Aug 09 12:13:38 PaulFertser, sure Aug 09 12:13:41 mrmoku: errr, what means "due to"? nonexist? Aug 09 12:13:45 PaulFertser, any hint on how to compile it? Aug 09 12:13:58 DocScrutinizer, ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/$LIB/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. Aug 09 12:14:29 mrmoku: there's makefile in the test directory, if you "make agent" it should compile provided all the libs are installed. Aug 09 12:14:30 aoss is a silly oneliner wrapperscript to preload libaoss.so Aug 09 12:16:10 yeah, which has \${LIB} in it :P Aug 09 12:16:10 mrmoku: if you start ./configure --enable-test they all'll be built automatically Aug 09 12:16:40 PaulFertser, ok, so I could do a subpackage like bluez4-test Aug 09 12:17:04 DocScrutinizer, and I thought we fixed SDL to use alsa instead :( Aug 09 12:17:12 mrmoku: well... I'd include agent and simple-agent (the latter is python script) by default, they're quite essential imho. Aug 09 12:17:28 SDL? Aug 09 12:17:34 libsdl Aug 09 12:18:11 libaoss implements a fake /dev/dsp device that maps to alsa standard audio Aug 09 12:18:32 -sh: mkfs.vfat: not found Aug 09 12:18:35 mrmoku: or not :( agent.c seems to be outdated. Only simple-agent work. Aug 09 12:18:37 what to do with it? Aug 09 12:18:49 so it's a botch to make obsolete apps non-aware of ALSA work in an alsa environment Aug 09 12:19:22 I don't understand how libsdl is related to this Aug 09 12:19:36 DocScrutinizer, does not work with a libsdl app I'm trying Aug 09 12:19:52 * mrmoku starts stracing Aug 09 12:20:31 mrmoku: so no compile necessary, just copy simple-agent to some reasonable place (/usr/bin) Aug 09 12:25:17 PaulFertser, ok Aug 09 12:37:40 ok, mokonnect (tries) connecting to wep. "WiFi device: eth0 \n Connecting to hidden network '30838545' " -> Kernel PANIC Aug 09 12:38:49 obviously we still have no ramconsole by default yet :-( Aug 09 12:40:40 PaulFertser: are the kernel patches for ramconsole implemented yet? Aug 09 12:45:33 DocScrutinizer: mostly Aug 09 12:52:24 PaulFertser: means? Can I activate it "ootb"? Aug 09 12:52:50 DocScrutinizer: no, sorry Aug 09 12:54:52 PaulFertser: so here's my bugreprot - as good as it gets for now: "Kernel panic when trying to connect to a WEP-encrypted WLAN-AP" Aug 09 13:00:43 Heinervdm, Aug 09 13:01:15 I have a todo for ya :) Aug 09 13:01:27 TAsn: great :D Aug 09 13:01:32 and also, pyphonelog also uses the Contacts domain! Aug 09 13:01:36 not only calls! Aug 09 13:01:42 pyphonelog is FULLY opimd based ;) Aug 09 13:01:48 ok ;) Aug 09 13:02:16 as for your todo, what do you prefer to do? Aug 09 13:02:18 programming? Aug 09 13:02:20 C? Aug 09 13:02:20 :) Aug 09 13:02:49 don't know, if C not that complicated things Aug 09 13:04:55 Heinervdm, i c. Aug 09 13:04:58 TAsn, why you ask for C? Aug 09 13:04:58 hm.. Aug 09 13:05:24 methril_home, just wanted maybe he could do some stuff in libframeworkd-phonegui-efl (quick hacks till we drop it) Aug 09 13:05:34 nvm though I'll do it myself. :) Aug 09 13:06:14 TAsn: i can try, but i think any other will be faster :) Aug 09 13:06:49 Heinervdm, yeah, nvm on that :) Aug 09 13:06:54 hm.. are you a decent designer? Aug 09 13:07:02 knowledge about OE? Aug 09 13:07:36 no designer and not that much knowledge about OE Aug 09 13:08:26 But say something, i think i can do it Aug 09 13:08:51 Heinervdm, well, pack new stuff Aug 09 13:08:57 change epdf to have an icon Aug 09 13:09:04 plus make it compile from svn Aug 09 13:09:09 instead of a release Aug 09 13:09:20 or just go through the huge tickets list and fix what you can :) Aug 09 13:09:27 :) Aug 09 13:09:35 i will look for epdf Aug 09 13:09:42 cool :) Aug 09 13:09:46 if you need anything I'm here Aug 09 13:09:49 mrmoku, here? Aug 09 13:10:33 yup Aug 09 13:10:46 TAsn, found the opkg-cl symlink mystery :) Aug 09 13:10:49 was my fault :( Aug 09 13:10:56 caused by removing your stupid patch ;) Aug 09 13:11:36 TAsn, right now I'm fighting the libsdl with alsa does not work problem :( Aug 09 13:11:59 mrmoku, :) Aug 09 13:12:20 mrmoku, want me to send a mail about the new untsable? Aug 09 13:12:23 and maybe a blog post? Aug 09 13:12:33 (suggesting we might release a new testing soon) Aug 09 13:12:56 TAsn, we have a libfsoframework problem Aug 09 13:13:07 maybe we should wait until that is resolved? Aug 09 13:16:13 mrmoku, opkg upgrade breaks the system? Aug 09 13:16:33 TAsn, yep Aug 09 13:16:36 sucks Aug 09 13:16:37 ok then. Aug 09 13:16:38 :( Aug 09 13:17:37 mickey|bbq, when finished with your well earned bbq... could you please fix libfsoframework... adjust it to new libfsobasics? Aug 09 13:19:13 * DocScrutinizer feels like a dumbass -- minicom doesn't do any linewrapping so uBoot console doesn't print all of menu_1 env content :-( Aug 09 13:19:50 ergo I'm not able to edit it as I am unable to get the original complete content >:-(( Aug 09 13:20:28 anyone help me out of my aphasia? Aug 09 13:21:30 DocScrutinizer: yes Aug 09 13:21:35 DocScrutinizer: C-z w Aug 09 13:21:43 :-) Aug 09 13:21:49 DocScrutinizer: or whatever your default minicom binding is. Aug 09 13:21:53 DocScrutinizer: but you want "w" command Aug 09 13:22:30 DocScrutinizer: still copy-paste to u-boot console is a bit dangerous, you need slowpaste. Aug 09 13:23:21 linewrap on/off W, how could I oversee that? Aug 09 13:23:22 DocScrutinizer: like start gnu screen, start minicom inside, C-a : slowpaste 100^M Aug 09 13:23:47 DocScrutinizer: and lindi- will tell you that minicom sucks and you should use picocom or whatever ;) Aug 09 13:24:00 I got a nasty effect of actual display on screen is always a char behind anyway Aug 09 13:24:14 I C Aug 09 13:24:49 (behind) means: first | Aug 09 13:24:52 mrmoku, after you'll fix the opkg-cl issue and libfso will build a new unstable and that will be a testing cand? Aug 09 13:24:54 :) Aug 09 13:25:09 will print "v" of "printenv" Aug 09 13:25:12 yup Aug 09 13:25:25 seconf will actually execute printenv Aug 09 13:25:31 mrmoku, reasonable enough ;) Aug 09 13:25:38 DocScrutinizer: (unrelated) i'd like to remove every single mention of full "iptables" command from all the wiki pages. :S Aug 09 13:25:39 dos1, got more sketches/text/wiki page? Aug 09 13:25:55 I want to add my stuff to it (and of course make them before that... :) Aug 09 13:26:10 DocScrutinizer: because users should understand iptables, not blindly copy-paste. Aug 09 13:26:27 PaulFertser: lol Aug 09 13:26:49 not even I understand iptables ;-P Aug 09 13:26:56 aye Aug 09 13:27:05 iptables is sometimes "dark magic" Aug 09 13:27:06 :) Aug 09 13:27:20 * PaulFertser sometimes feels like he's living in some kind of parallel universe. Aug 09 13:27:29 hehehehehehehe Aug 09 13:27:32 rotfl Aug 09 13:27:43 TAsn: no, i'm only for moment Aug 09 13:27:47 PaulFertser, :) Aug 09 13:27:48 prolly you actually do Aug 09 13:27:51 dos1, okie ;) Aug 09 13:28:06 TAsn: electricy(?) gone ;P Aug 09 13:28:14 TAsn: i have only 20% battery in laptop Aug 09 13:28:23 electricity* Aug 09 13:28:25 electricity Aug 09 13:28:27 and, oh ;( Aug 09 13:28:36 sucks. ;( Aug 09 13:28:45 15%* ;x Aug 09 13:28:48 Heinervdm, btw Aug 09 13:29:04 I'd also like to see a lot of SHR-style icons Aug 09 13:29:17 i.e wrap every app's icons in the nice SHR square Aug 09 13:29:19 TAsn: that's the problem now Aug 09 13:29:27 (color of course means type of app) Aug 09 13:29:29 TAsn: what's up in your fsckng country? how could electricity be gone? Aug 09 13:29:36 DocScrutinizer, not here Aug 09 13:29:41 DocScrutinizer, in dos1's country... Aug 09 13:29:42 aaah, sorry Aug 09 13:29:44 TAsn: there is an epdfview icon, but it Aug 09 13:29:47 he ran out of laptop battery :) Aug 09 13:29:52 I'm real dumbass today Aug 09 13:29:55 Heinervdm, ? Aug 09 13:30:08 noo, that's something in that home Aug 09 13:30:18 's installed in the wrong dir, so i can copy it to the right place or use an shr icon directly Aug 09 13:30:41 (and again my english is too bad to say what i want to say :P) Aug 09 13:30:58 Heinervdm, just fix the bb/desktop file/autoconf scripts so it'll get copied to the right place Aug 09 13:31:18 (in the case of the desktop file just make it use the full correct path. Aug 09 13:31:20 dos1: we know where you live, we all can imagine what you want to say ;-P Aug 09 13:31:24 Heinervdm, what's the wrong path btw? Aug 09 13:31:32 DocScrutinizer, lol :) Aug 09 13:31:35 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rf80e53a3f7f8 10/shr-settings: [launcher] little change in comment Aug 09 13:32:04 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r6ea0399aedc8 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: start implementing of editing and adding contacts Aug 09 13:32:12 TAsn: it's not really wrong, it's installed to /usr/share/epdfview/pixmaps together with the other icons Aug 09 13:32:12 Heinervdm, nvm, found it. Aug 09 13:32:23 Heinervdm, the app icons should be there Aug 09 13:32:24 that's ok Aug 09 13:32:31 though the actual icons Aug 09 13:32:38 PaulFertser: some really quick guide to run dumb battery driver on neo? Aug 09 13:32:43 should probably be symlinked from the postinst part of the bb Aug 09 13:32:46 Heinervdm, ^ Aug 09 13:32:55 dos1: on gta02? Aug 09 13:32:58 and the desktop file should be without the .png Aug 09 13:33:03 as it's automatically added. Aug 09 13:33:04 PaulFertser: i don't have much time to search for it now ;x and my neo battery is also almost flat, but i have full BL-5C Aug 09 13:33:06 PaulFertser: yup Aug 09 13:33:11 * DocScrutinizer feels pissed by technics not as obedient as it should and off for watercooling action Aug 09 13:33:30 dos1: hm, echo bq27000-battery.0 > /sys/bus/platform/drivers/bq27000-battery/unbind; modprobe gta01_battery Aug 09 13:33:38 dos1: no need to search, it's FAQ ;) Aug 09 13:34:10 "Your battery has reached the warning level" Aug 09 13:34:21 PaulFertser: thanks ;) Aug 09 13:34:23 Heinervdm, btw it's icon is terribly icon Aug 09 13:34:27 *ugly Aug 09 13:34:36 please consider making your own ;) Aug 09 13:34:46 TAsn: i'm no designer ;) Aug 09 13:34:47 ooh, i have to upgrade kernel :'/ Aug 09 13:34:59 Heinervdm, just take a gpled/free icon Aug 09 13:35:00 do we have a template for shr icons? Aug 09 13:35:09 Heinervdm, sec, I'll send you a good icon Aug 09 13:35:11 what's you email? Aug 09 13:35:20 (the icon is gpl 2) Aug 09 13:35:25 zimmermann@vdm-design.de Aug 09 13:35:26 PaulFertser: /me wonders if Neo will understand the first command 'hm,' ;-P Aug 09 13:36:08 jr@halley:~> hm, Aug 09 13:36:09 bash: hm,: command not found Aug 09 13:36:40 nevermind Aug 09 13:36:57 TAsn: do you know the patch, which is used for epdfview? Is there some functional change, or is it only needed to compile with poppler 2.8.0? Aug 09 13:37:06 Heinervdm, no idea. Aug 09 13:37:33 ok Aug 09 13:38:00 ahhh Aug 09 13:38:06 * mrmoku got back his behated opkg :P Aug 09 13:39:10 * DocScrutinizer removes patching hack from opkg-u Aug 09 13:39:14 dos1: where can I find the opimd sources, I have tried to google them, no luck so far Aug 09 13:39:42 Heinervdm, sent Aug 09 13:39:46 as for the template, no idea. Aug 09 13:39:55 TAsn: ok Aug 09 13:40:13 with licensing Aug 09 13:40:16 epdfview 1.7 compils and works Aug 09 13:40:18 and authors info Aug 09 13:40:25 Heinervdm, what version do we useL Aug 09 13:40:30 1.6 Aug 09 13:40:37 Heinervdm, i see. Aug 09 13:40:39 please open a ticket Aug 09 13:40:46 (actually request to compile from svn) Aug 09 13:40:48 TAsn: http://git.freesmartphone.org/ Aug 09 13:40:53 dos1, ? Aug 09 13:40:57 oh, sorry Aug 09 13:40:58 * DocScrutinizer removes ffalarms from opkg-u Aug 09 13:40:59 tab ;D Aug 09 13:41:12 Talpa: http://git.freesmartphone.org/ Aug 09 13:41:52 DocScrutinizer, well still have to commit and build it Aug 09 13:42:11 DocScrutinizer, did you remove elementary-alarm too or do you actually prefer it? Aug 09 13:42:23 * mrmoku thinks DocScrutinizer probably has no need for an alarm clock :P Aug 09 13:42:25 mrmoku: still have to copy opkg-u to new image ;) Aug 09 13:42:32 mrmoku: do we have a template for shr icons? Aug 09 13:42:42 dos1: thanks, which git rep? Aug 09 13:42:45 Heinervdm, unfortunately Hire never provided one Aug 09 13:42:52 TAsn: frameworkd Aug 09 13:42:59 mrmoku: ok Aug 09 13:43:19 mrmoku: I missed to purge e-alarms Aug 09 13:43:34 dos1: thanks again Aug 09 13:43:49 mrmoku: now that we have ffalarms for default, issue obsolete Aug 09 13:44:07 dos1, again? Aug 09 13:44:47 TAsn: yup, sorry :D Aug 09 13:45:04 mrmoku: (need for alarm) actually rarely, but then I need a reall good one ;-) Aug 09 13:45:11 bye bye Aug 09 13:57:02 just upgraded shr-unstable, shr-messages segfaults, shr-contacts segfaults and abyss doesn't seem to be able anymore to register to the network Aug 09 13:58:07 jaj: known problem Aug 09 13:58:17 PaulFertser: ok Aug 09 14:02:33 TAsn: http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr-dist/pdfview.png Aug 09 14:03:15 supersweet! :) Aug 09 14:03:24 though I'm not sure about the color of the backgroud Aug 09 14:03:29 doesn't green mean "fun" ? Aug 09 14:03:37 maybe blue is the correct choice Aug 09 14:03:52 (note to self: anchor this crap in a wiki page) Aug 09 14:03:54 scap, omview scetch, filemanger have green Aug 09 14:04:04 Heinervdm, ok then Aug 09 14:04:05 cool :) Aug 09 14:04:05 and calc Aug 09 14:04:19 so super sweet! :) Aug 09 14:04:22 (beautiful!) Aug 09 14:04:47 * TAsn already took it ;) Aug 09 14:05:16 Heinervdm, btw, just change the desktop file to "epdf-view" (without the png ind instead of the more std postscript reader) Aug 09 14:05:19 or maybe Aug 09 14:05:21 acroread Aug 09 14:05:24 should just be the name Aug 09 14:05:26 ... Aug 09 14:05:31 what do you thinkL Aug 09 14:05:54 i named i pdfview.png Aug 09 14:06:12 Heinervdm, please consider changing it to Aug 09 14:06:14 acroread.png Aug 09 14:06:20 ok Aug 09 14:06:23 as it suits as a default acroreader as well Aug 09 14:06:25 :) Aug 09 14:06:27 (me thinks) Aug 09 14:07:18 Heinervdm, cool, thanks! I'm using it :) Aug 09 14:08:32 (we should consider a change of coloring for some apps) Aug 09 14:11:54 Heinervdm, same thing needs to be done for ffalarms Aug 09 14:12:01 (maybe just take the icon from elm-alarm?) Aug 09 14:12:17 TAsn: that would be the best, i think Aug 09 14:12:38 the please send a patch with the correct bb/placement of icons. Aug 09 14:12:46 (to mrmoku as I know nothing about OE) Aug 09 14:13:01 will do Aug 09 14:13:07 :) Aug 09 14:13:07 need to check the bb first Aug 09 14:13:52 (I'm just trying to fill your todo, not tell you how to do stuff.) Aug 09 14:13:52 ;) Aug 09 14:13:59 But do we really want to build epdfview from svn? I think a stable version is better and build is everytime reproduceable Aug 09 14:14:14 Heinervdm, i think epdfview is barely maintained anymore Aug 09 14:14:20 and iirc svn version works great Aug 09 14:14:25 ok Aug 09 14:14:27 so that's the "latest stable" Aug 09 14:19:41 btw, on the list: Aug 09 14:19:44 pidgin, intone Aug 09 14:19:49 mokonnect? Aug 09 14:19:55 :) Aug 09 14:20:11 (as said before, there's a lot to be done ;) ) Aug 09 14:20:13 all these have icons Aug 09 14:20:19 but not with correct coloring Aug 09 14:20:22 (back coloring) Aug 09 14:20:35 mokonnect is somehow ok as is Aug 09 14:20:41 because it's at least a square Aug 09 14:20:56 and maybe I'm missing more apps Aug 09 14:22:57 (and if you can' save a few templates just as templates for future designers to work with) Aug 09 14:23:05 And then we'll be able to create a proper wiki page Aug 09 14:23:11 describing our icon design ;) Aug 09 14:23:43 although it should probably be automatically done by illume (nice feature suggestion, way to go tom) Aug 09 14:24:10 my icon isn't correct to 100% because in the original one there is some light reflection on the foreground too Aug 09 14:24:37 Heinervdm, it's ok ;) Aug 09 14:24:49 bumbl, you created all the SHR icons, right? Aug 09 14:25:10 sob :) Aug 09 14:25:12 ran away. Aug 09 14:35:22 k, uBoot now boots from uSD by default. But me *dumbass* forgot to lower loglevel :-((( Aug 09 14:36:00 :) Aug 09 14:36:16 * DocScrutinizer also wonders WTF!!! those duplicate menu entries are worth for Aug 09 14:36:34 DocScrutinizer, there's an easy fix, switch to Qi (I know I probably missed your explanation on why you use uBoot) Aug 09 14:36:52 bah, 1i for sissies Aug 09 14:36:59 Qi even Aug 09 14:37:34 TAsn: first of all because I really appreciate bootmenu Aug 09 14:38:59 TAsn: second because I need to test devices in a state most plain vanilla, as that's what dau-users (aka lusers) will experience first Aug 09 14:39:10 ok. Aug 09 14:39:26 hello, where is the eraseblock size for mkfs.jffs2 for SHR defined? Aug 09 14:39:31 I c, so you are suggesting to replace uBoot with Qi from factory? :) Aug 09 14:40:25 schasch: wow - lol. maybe you should join the developers channel with that question ;-P Aug 09 14:41:24 it is the developers chan. Aug 09 14:41:42 (or did I miss a chan?) Aug 09 14:41:43 TAsn: damn you're right :-D Aug 09 14:41:45 :) Aug 09 14:41:59 thought maybe there's a #openmoko-devel-without-tasn Aug 09 14:41:59 :) Aug 09 14:42:10 an* Aug 09 14:42:19 TAsn: open it! :-P Aug 09 14:42:23 lol Aug 09 14:43:34 wpwrak: schasch has a seemingly really difficult question (my 2 cent). Any idea? Aug 09 14:43:39 I was the only one ;( Aug 09 14:45:31 DocScrutinizer, which alsa API version do we use? Aug 09 14:45:40 DocScrutinizer: developers channel....aha... Aug 09 14:46:00 schasch: just kidding Aug 09 14:46:19 DocScrutinizer: funny :-) Aug 09 14:46:23 mrmoku: are there big diffs? Aug 09 14:46:37 DocScrutinizer, I'm digging into the libSDL sound problems Aug 09 14:46:49 and as it seems... it just supports old 0.9 alsa API Aug 09 14:46:59 The erase block size is defined in the machine conf files in OE. In the build tree, grep about in the openembedded/conf directory. If it is not defined, then the default used by OE is acceptable and you'll have to search for that default. It's not easy to find, because it's not something changeable b y the user. Aug 09 14:46:59 WHAT??? Aug 09 14:47:32 mrmoku: 0.9 is so obsolete it stinks Aug 09 14:47:39 DocScrutinizer, and got removed, yeah Aug 09 14:47:45 (compatability) Aug 09 14:48:02 mweste: DocScrutinizer ; thankx Aug 09 14:48:14 #define ALSA_PCM_OLD_HW_PARAMS_API Aug 09 14:48:17 mwester: thanks Aug 09 14:48:21 is what libSDL is trying to do Aug 09 14:48:31 (and that got removed IIUC) Aug 09 14:48:55 schasch, if all you are trying to do is find the value, then searching the wiki might be easier. Aug 09 14:48:59 mrmoku: sounds odd Aug 09 14:49:19 (not removal - more the mere define) Aug 09 14:50:30 mwester:ok Aug 09 14:51:07 mrmoku: I always thought we're on 1.14 now (+- a few) Aug 09 14:51:32 TAsn: i installed the icon to /usr/share/icons/acroread.png but it isn't displayed with Icon=acroread Aug 09 14:52:23 /usr/share/pixmaps/acroread.png Aug 09 14:52:34 for some reason only that works Aug 09 14:52:46 (should probably check this out sometime) Aug 09 14:53:01 DocScrutinizer, hmm... maybe I'm missing something... digging further Aug 09 14:53:05 ok then r8 ;) Aug 09 14:54:14 mrmoku: I still have no slightest idea about what libsdl.so actually might be. And *how* that could relate to missing libaoss.so Aug 09 14:54:40 DocScrutinizer, it does not relate to missing libaoss.so Aug 09 14:55:04 aoss was just a try to make an app with sound difficulties work Aug 09 14:55:14 but it turned out that the app is using libsdl Aug 09 14:55:45 and we try to build it with just alsa support (to avoid oss) Aug 09 14:55:57 which seems to lead to libsdl with just a dummy audio driver :( Aug 09 14:57:20 mrmoku: hmm, libsdl - oss-support - 0.9borked alsa == NIL Aug 09 14:58:29 mrmoku: sounds about correct Aug 09 15:00:14 TAsn: /usr/share/pixmaps/acroread.png doesn't work either Aug 09 15:00:19 TAsn, what happened with the 'don't automatically open SMS' option? Aug 09 15:00:21 does it work? Aug 09 15:00:23 mrmoku: lazy way to fix that: include oss support to libsdl (it's for sure not the only obsolete app that needs /dev/dsp), then fix libaoss.so issue Aug 09 15:00:35 Heinervdm, you need to edit the desktop file Aug 09 15:00:48 so it's latest modified time Aug 09 15:00:49 will change Aug 09 15:00:53 and illume will update the cache Aug 09 15:01:07 mrmoku, never got to it... :| Aug 09 15:01:12 i've done this Aug 09 15:01:15 will do it later today. Aug 09 15:01:20 Heinervdm, weird, works here... Aug 09 15:01:27 Heinervdm, removed the .png Aug 09 15:01:31 from the desktop file? Aug 09 15:01:35 yes Aug 09 15:01:56 Icon=acroread Aug 09 15:01:58 TAsn: http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/epdfview_0.1.7-r8_armv4t.ipk Aug 09 15:02:14 /usr/share/pixmaps/acroread.png Aug 09 15:02:18 that's what I have. Aug 09 15:02:24 works like a charm. Aug 09 15:02:28 Heinervdm, OE-patch to shr-devel please :) Aug 09 15:02:34 absolute patch? Aug 09 15:02:37 path Aug 09 15:02:45 Heinervdm, what? Aug 09 15:02:52 just copy my settings :) Aug 09 15:03:03 if you specify a specific path in Icon you do need the suffix Aug 09 15:03:03 mrmoku: better way to fix it: migrate from libsdl to decent generic alsa support Aug 09 15:03:11 you have Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/acroread.png ? Aug 09 15:03:14 no Aug 09 15:03:18 Icon=acroread Aug 09 15:03:54 have you looked at the package? Aug 09 15:04:10 it's exactly this Aug 09 15:04:13 but no icon Aug 09 15:04:34 ;\ Aug 09 15:04:58 Heinervdm, btw Aug 09 15:05:06 what's the changelog from 1.6 to 1.7? Aug 09 15:05:23 http://trac.emma-soft.com/epdfview/wiki/ChangeLog#Version0.1.72009-02-28 Aug 09 15:05:29 thanks. Aug 09 15:06:35 Heinervdm, sec will try to install your pac. Aug 09 15:07:23 mrmoku: still another way: (augment to former suggestion) http://www.sfr-fresh.com/unix/privat/twinkle-1.4.2.tar.gz:a/twinkle-1.4.2/src/audio/audio_device.cpp Aug 09 15:07:38 :P Aug 09 15:08:14 Heinervdm, works like a charm :) Aug 09 15:08:20 thanks for the pack :) Aug 09 15:08:25 very strange :D Aug 09 15:08:32 how old is your image? Aug 09 15:08:34 maybe a buggy image Aug 09 15:08:46 (mine is latest unstable, dont opkg upgrade btw, only reflash{ Aug 09 15:08:49 beginning of last month Aug 09 15:08:57 Heinervdm, might be it ;\ Aug 09 15:09:04 anyhow, your pack is correct as is Aug 09 15:09:06 try a reboot Aug 09 15:09:10 maybe it's a weird caching bug. Aug 09 15:09:19 ok, i'm trying svn now Aug 09 15:09:42 my image is brocken now, because of fsousaged Aug 09 15:11:38 Heinervdm, i c. Aug 09 15:11:41 Heinervdm, please try svn Aug 09 15:11:47 it has gestures for page flipping Aug 09 15:12:00 which will mean we won't need a stupid screen consuming toobar :) Aug 09 15:17:29 btw mrmoku concerning ophonekitd, I thought you wanted a features freeze :) Aug 09 15:17:59 TAsn, I never said those bad words Aug 09 15:18:05 :) Aug 09 15:18:19 I clearly remember you said you don't want dos1 and I make any more mess :) Aug 09 15:18:38 that's something different than a feature freeze though ;) Aug 09 15:19:01 thats just helping me to keep my mental sanity intact :P Aug 09 15:20:04 who's maintainer of tangogps? there's a number of flaws that need to be fixed Aug 09 15:20:39 mrmoku, :) Aug 09 15:20:39 DocScrutinizer: it's Markus Bauer, but he doesn't anser mails... Aug 09 15:21:03 Heinervdm: :-/ thanks Aug 09 15:28:36 electricity fixed :) Aug 09 15:29:25 dos1, also wiki entry? :) Aug 09 15:32:00 TAsn: just booted laptop ;p Aug 09 15:32:15 PaulFertser: gta01_battery works :) Aug 09 15:32:40 (it's funny to see battery capacity rising up without any charger connected :D) Aug 09 15:33:59 something burned up on staircase, and due to that my flat was without electricity ;x Aug 09 15:36:19 PaulFertser: deditaced commits: Aug 09 15:36:37 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r57467ac29b9e 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_battery.py: [Battery] add error handling. Should now work with gta01_battery driver. Aug 09 15:36:40 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r697160cae6d0 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_battery.py: [Battery] add 'Switch to dumb battery driver' button when smart battery driver is loaded but battery is not present Aug 09 15:36:40 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r13c8a89943ce 10/TODO: [TODO] update Aug 09 15:36:40 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rb3f1c228e75a 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_battery.py: [Battery] make readings a bit faster Aug 09 15:40:54 mrmoku: how well does the current image work? Aug 09 15:42:46 bumbl, the image works fine as long as you don't upgrade :P Aug 09 15:46:06 mrmoku: heh, that's what has been my first good rule for the last few months ;-P Aug 09 15:46:31 s/fist good/primary/ Aug 09 15:47:02 *never upgrade* ;-D Aug 09 15:47:47 dinner time :P Aug 09 15:48:16 mrmoku: is mokonnect in lite image? Aug 09 15:48:59 mrmoku: /me never upgrades Aug 09 15:49:04 it always breaks stuff Aug 09 15:49:45 bumbl: hehe Aug 09 15:50:27 * DocScrutinizer found that's a true statement for almost every OS Aug 09 15:50:31 ubifs vs. jffs2? is ubifs already usable (afaik it was designed to be jffs3?) Aug 09 15:50:58 DocScrutinizer: only on the mobile - on the desktop/laptop that's not true Aug 09 15:51:46 * DocScrutinizer thinks different, Opensuse 10.x->11.0 for instance Aug 09 15:52:23 DocScrutinizer: never had any luck with opensuse Aug 09 15:52:40 so is it safe to try the ubifs imageß Aug 09 15:52:42 ? Aug 09 15:53:48 bumbl: try to try, and report back ;-P Aug 09 15:54:11 bumbl: (no idea here about ubifs) Aug 09 15:54:15 dos1, no. Aug 09 15:54:39 TAsn: hmm... i think it should be Aug 09 15:54:53 dos1, maybe :) Aug 09 15:55:13 TAsn: internet connection is rather core functionality ;) Aug 09 15:55:31 something is wrong with frameworkd Aug 09 15:55:33 I agree. Aug 09 15:55:41 frameworkd.resource WARNING Can't register resource Bluetooth since ousaged is not present. Enabling device Aug 09 15:55:41 2009.08.09 19:41:26.693 frameworkd.resource WARNING Can't register resource WiFi since ousaged is not present. Enabling device Aug 09 15:55:41 2009.08.09 19:41:27.138 frameworkd.resource WARNING Can't register resource CPU since ousaged is not present. Enabling device Aug 09 15:55:42 2009.08.09 19:41:27.563 frameworkd.resource WARNING Can't register resource Display since ousaged is not present. Enabling device Aug 09 15:55:47 DocScrutinizer: that is why they invented incremental backups Aug 09 15:56:13 yoh Aug 09 15:57:52 Talpa: anyway you know "incremental" is just another word for "special compression algorithm" Aug 09 15:58:42 there's nothing that beats a full image of 10min age Aug 09 15:59:23 except maybe the full image of 1h ago ;-) Aug 09 15:59:56 with --link-dest in rsync you get just that while only using incremental disk space Aug 09 15:59:57 depending on your failure patterns Aug 09 16:00:43 dos1: what's wrong with it? Aug 09 16:01:34 (about to attempt a upgarde on my freerunner... so I have just created a new snapshot... lets hope I do not need it) Aug 09 16:01:37 Q-Master: check fsousaged... Aug 09 16:01:44 Talpa: don't upgrade Aug 09 16:02:04 is it that broken right now? Aug 09 16:02:09 dos1: what is with it? I've just upgraded and everything failed after it Aug 09 16:02:44 Q-Master, Talpa: fsousaged doesn't start due to broken one of dependend libs Aug 09 16:02:48 s/end/ent/ Aug 09 16:02:48 dos1 meant: Q-Master, Talpa: fsousaged doesn't start due to broken one of depentend libs Aug 09 16:02:51 ;x Aug 09 16:03:00 wrong ;D Aug 09 16:03:21 so? Aug 09 16:03:24 when? Aug 09 16:07:38 odd its not even marked at installed on my system.... Aug 09 16:07:46 (fsousage that is) Aug 09 16:11:10 Talpa: fsousaged Aug 09 16:14:01 * TAsn won't stop bugging dos1 until he makes that wiki entry :) Aug 09 16:14:02 * DocScrutinizer votes for a opkg downgrade command :-P Aug 09 16:14:10 DocScrutinizer, ++ :) Aug 09 16:15:06 opkg fixshit - muhahah Aug 09 16:15:51 seems I'm in particularly silly mood today Aug 09 16:16:16 PaulFertser: once again thanks for dumb battery driver, it's working nicely :) Aug 09 16:16:38 dos1: yes it seems that I don't have "fso-usaged" installed at the moment (apparently I have broken my debian install at some point in the past :o) Aug 09 16:16:50 PaulFertser: yeah, finally you get appreciation for your work you deserved so much :-)) Aug 09 16:16:58 TAsn: not fso-usaged, fsousaged... and oh, debian Aug 09 16:17:12 s/TAsn/Talpa/ Aug 09 16:17:13 dos1 meant: Talpa: not fso-usaged, fsousaged... and oh, debian Aug 09 16:17:19 dos1, I hate you. Aug 09 16:17:31 Talpa: so probably you are using ousaged, so it's ok Aug 09 16:17:44 TAsn: dummy up Aug 09 16:17:45 TAsn: i know ;) Aug 09 16:18:43 TAsn: nah, wait. That's for the wiki thing, right? :) Aug 09 16:19:19 DocScrutinizer, both the wiki and the false referncing of my nick and Talpa's Aug 09 16:20:31 hmm, so I can't give you full support on that notion. As I did a much worse misshap on referencing you instead of dos1|away today ;-P Aug 09 16:21:13 TAsn: I agree with you on whatever that wikithing might be though Aug 09 16:21:31 DocScrutinizer, lol ;) Aug 09 16:23:25 lazy dos1|away spamming channel with annoying commitlogs all the time, instead of finally doing some real work and finish that wikithing TAsn asked for :-P Aug 09 16:23:41 DocScrutinizer, ++ :) Aug 09 16:24:16 * DocScrutinizer ducks Aug 09 16:25:16 * DocScrutinizer gets 2 icecream bars out of his fridge, and hands one over to dos1|away Aug 09 16:27:06 TAsn: reciepe is out to shr-devel Aug 09 16:27:18 Heinervdm, sweet! thanks :) Aug 09 16:27:22 (epdfview, right?) Aug 09 16:27:28 svn? Aug 09 16:27:32 or 17? Aug 09 16:27:33 yes Aug 09 16:27:36 (both rock) Aug 09 16:27:36 svn Aug 09 16:27:45 or both ;) Aug 09 16:28:14 cool :) Aug 09 16:28:22 mrmoku, ^ please build epdf from svn :) Aug 09 16:29:14 dos1|away: switch back to ousaged? Aug 09 16:30:38 Q-Master: opkg downgrade --force-overwrite fsousaged Aug 09 16:35:36 what's state of mokonnect now wrt WLAN? does it work for WEP for you? For uncrypted AP? Maybe for WPA(2)? Aug 09 16:42:48 to be honest WLAN sensitivity on my gta02a7 is abyssmal. Noise -95, signal -71 for an AP 3m away Aug 09 16:44:04 other wlan-adapters find 6..15 AP here, whereas FR detects 2 occasionally, most of the time only one (the one in 3m distance) Aug 09 16:45:05 :| Aug 09 16:45:14 any ACK / NAK on those findings? Aug 09 16:45:26 other comments? Aug 09 16:47:13 I have a comment Aug 09 16:47:20 haven't used WiFi on the shr yet :) Aug 09 16:47:26 *on the FR Aug 09 16:47:27 not shr Aug 09 16:47:28 ;) Aug 09 16:47:29 please talk to me. There are odds I broke my WLAN when I fixed some fab flaw on this PVT-A7. So what's *your* result and experience from wifi? Aug 09 16:47:43 DocScrutinizer, will give it a go later today Aug 09 16:47:45 I promise :) Aug 09 16:48:00 DocScrutinizer, the wiki editor came! :) Aug 09 16:48:04 dos1, :) Aug 09 16:48:11 TAsn: tanks. So your situation resembles mine very closely Aug 09 16:48:19 hehe Aug 09 16:48:22 DocScrutinizer, not using it? yeah :) Aug 09 16:48:31 I just use gprs, as usually when I have time Aug 09 16:48:35 I'm not near a wifi Aug 09 16:48:42 dos1: o/ how was the icecream? Aug 09 16:48:42 as when I'm near a wifi, I'm near a computer Aug 09 16:48:43 :) Aug 09 16:48:53 and there's no reason to use the fr :) Aug 09 16:49:13 TAsn: ack Aug 09 16:49:19 same here Aug 09 16:49:24 dos1, I was thinking alot about libphone-ui Aug 09 16:49:27 design today Aug 09 16:49:33 man, I just can't wait to start working on it! :) Aug 09 16:49:53 soo coool ;) Aug 09 16:50:17 but I seem to remember better results from iwlist eth0 sca on other devices, as well as from mofi Aug 09 16:50:29 DocScrutinizer: nice, thanks :D Aug 09 16:50:29 <[Rui]> TAsn: make it intuitive for phone users :) Aug 09 16:50:40 [Rui], I'm talking about the internal design Aug 09 16:50:48 not the actual GUI design Aug 09 16:50:57 but about the frontend developers API Aug 09 16:50:59 <[Rui]> TAsn: ok, the name fooled me ,though Aug 09 16:51:07 dos1: want another one? Aug 09 16:51:07 [Rui], there's libphone-ui Aug 09 16:51:12 which will load Aug 09 16:51:17 libphone-ui-frontendname Aug 09 16:51:18 :) Aug 09 16:51:27 and manage those Aug 09 16:51:59 <[Rui]> ah nice... I hope it's made on something fast :) Aug 09 16:52:19 DocScrutinizer: i have some mine here ;) Aug 09 16:52:19 * DocScrutinizer passes dos1 another icecream-candybar Aug 09 16:52:23 [Rui], it'll be written in C and the frontend will be written in what ever :) Aug 09 16:52:33 <[Rui]> TAsn: good! :) Aug 09 16:53:19 the only thing I'm not certain about atm Aug 09 16:53:43 is whether the user of the lib should choose the frontend Aug 09 16:53:45 or a config Aug 09 16:53:55 I think the user of the lib Aug 09 16:54:00 (i.e the gui daemon) Aug 09 16:54:00 err ? Aug 09 16:54:05 and that should take the info from a lib Aug 09 16:54:07 ... Aug 09 16:54:16 s/lib/config Aug 09 16:55:20 anyhow, we'll discuss this further later on Aug 09 16:55:30 atm, I'm going to work out and then get something to eat ;) Aug 09 16:55:37 and then do stuff mrmoku asked ;) Aug 09 16:55:43 so do i understand that correctly fso-abyss and fsousaged do currently not work with shr-unstable - but with ousaged fso is unstable as hell ;( Aug 09 16:55:57 dos1, please finish the wiki page till I get back as I want to let the users start working on this :) Aug 09 16:56:01 bumbl: no, it works Aug 09 16:56:08 works great here. Aug 09 16:56:15 bumbl: flash yesterday's image and fsousaged will work Aug 09 16:56:15 bumbl, btw Aug 09 16:56:19 bumbl: just don't upgrade it ;) Aug 09 16:56:26 are you the one who made all the SHR icons? Aug 09 16:56:45 crao\ Aug 09 16:56:47 TAsn: wasn't it Hire? Aug 09 16:56:51 -o +p Aug 09 16:56:52 dos1, no idea. Aug 09 16:56:55 ~seen Hire Aug 09 16:56:55 i haven't seen 'hire', dos1 Aug 09 16:56:57 dos1: out of the box or do i have to install? + fso-abyss will work? Aug 09 16:56:59 how to downgrade??? Aug 09 16:57:07 I'm just asking as I'm clueless Aug 09 16:57:22 bumbl: out of the box, fso-abyss and fsousaged are working in image. just version in repo is broken ;P Aug 09 16:57:23 hire did the shr icons Aug 09 16:57:36 but he has disappeared long ago Aug 09 16:58:01 bumbl, do you have a template for the backgrounds of the icons? Aug 09 16:58:02 dos1: ok thank you Aug 09 16:58:12 TAsn: i had Aug 09 16:58:24 as I want to create/someone else to create a wiki page about the icons, how to create them and what colors mean what. Aug 09 16:58:28 i am not sure on whether this is still on my backup hdd in some image Aug 09 16:58:30 bumbl, but no more? :( Aug 09 16:58:57 anyhow I think illume should just handle it... (or something) Aug 09 16:58:59 so nvm Aug 09 16:59:04 will suggest to raster or something Aug 09 16:59:04 :) Aug 09 16:59:13 ciao. Aug 09 16:59:15 i'll have a look as soon as i have more time Aug 09 16:59:43 (need to grap the external hdd, go through all snapshots there to find a zip file without correct naming) Aug 09 17:01:40 TAsn: it should be possible to do in illume theme, but without changing colors depending of category Aug 09 17:01:52 is there any way to suspend shr also if there is a notifier event? Aug 09 17:02:09 dos1, ;\ Aug 09 17:02:17 well jsut the bg is enough actually. Aug 09 17:02:40 nice, PISI got opimd Contacts support :) Aug 09 17:02:47 sylar_: use a) the rules file or b) usaged interface Aug 09 17:02:58 let's hope it won't be broken after merging genericdomain into master :D Aug 09 17:03:22 bumbl: how can I do that? any link/suggestion? Aug 09 17:03:24 dos1: downgrading not helped Aug 09 17:05:20 sylar_: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=tree;f=org.freesmartphone.Usage;h=cc2384352b64c93e3d56ba8d7abcf9a7462d4031;hb=HEAD Aug 09 17:07:47 bumbl: thx Aug 09 17:08:50 dos1: DocScrutinizer: :D Aug 09 17:11:45 PaulFertser: so SHR now supports semi-automatic switching to dumb battery driver from GUI :) Aug 09 17:12:16 dos1: what about switching back? ;) Aug 09 17:12:32 dos1: and btw, man, that was fast :) Aug 09 17:14:00 PaulFertser: hmm, switching back isn't implemented ;x but i think it's not as needed, as button to switch to dumb battery driver is displayed only if smart battery is not present Aug 09 17:14:20 dos1: sounds reasonable Aug 09 17:14:30 PaulFertser: but switching back works from command line, just checked ;) Aug 09 17:14:32 dos1: what about switching automatically on start? Aug 09 17:15:00 PaulFertser: then that's not shr-settings job, as it isn't daemon Aug 09 17:15:19 PaulFertser: but that would be nice, i'll think about how and where to implement it Aug 09 17:15:52 DocScrutinizer: now i'll implement your request about remaining time :P Aug 09 17:16:03 and then i'll do some wiki work for TAsn... Aug 09 17:16:05 cool Aug 09 17:16:12 ...hmm, or not, as he wasn't nice to me ;p Aug 09 17:16:17 ;D Aug 09 17:16:23 dos1, hey! Aug 09 17:16:28 when weren't I nice? Aug 09 17:16:37 ;) Aug 09 17:16:39 j/k :) Aug 09 17:16:42 I'm usually trying to be a nice guy :) Aug 09 17:16:53 DocScrutinizer: now i'll implement your request about remaining time :P Aug 09 17:16:56 what request? Aug 09 17:17:34 TAsn: to switch bettwen time_to_full and time_to_empty by looking at values, not status node Aug 09 17:17:47 s/bettwen/between/ Aug 09 17:17:49 dos1 meant: TAsn: to switch between time_to_full and time_to_empty by looking at values, not status node Aug 09 17:17:53 ok Aug 09 17:17:56 bat stat? Aug 09 17:17:58 or maybe beetwen Aug 09 17:18:01 ;D Aug 09 17:18:04 in shr-settings or widget? Aug 09 17:18:06 TAsn: yup Aug 09 17:18:08 shr-settings Aug 09 17:18:13 i c. Aug 09 17:18:17 cool. Aug 09 17:18:41 dos1: btw, i'm going to change bq27000 driver to always use readings from the chip to say for sure if it's charging or not. It will lag ~5 sec but it will be more precise. Aug 09 17:19:44 nice ;) Aug 09 17:20:40 PaulFertser: That means 5 second lag for charge notification if you plug in USB? Aug 09 17:20:43 PaulFertser: is kobject (or whatever name it has) notification tested to work correctly with bq27000? Aug 09 17:20:46 dos1: can you tell me which packages in SHR are bluez4-related? Aug 09 17:20:48 alphaone: yes Aug 09 17:20:57 :-( Aug 09 17:21:12 alphaone: there already is ~5 second lag ;x Aug 09 17:21:25 dos1: Nope, not really Aug 09 17:21:42 seems that it can't obtail channel from fso-abyss Aug 09 17:21:42 At least not with some kernel versions Aug 09 17:21:43 alphaone: ok, ~4 second ;P Aug 09 17:21:51 alphaone: with newest andy-tracking it is Aug 09 17:21:59 alphaone: otoh with the current approach you might get charging when it's actually discharging (imagine charger is turned on but it's not enough to power even gsm modem and the battery keeps discharging). Aug 09 17:22:00 dos1: Well, that might be Aug 09 17:22:01 hmm the ubifs image seems not to boot properly (it displays "INFO: RCU detected CPU0 stall" several times) Aug 09 17:22:08 Shouldn't be like that though, IMHO Aug 09 17:22:32 PaulFertser: bad :-/ during e.g. a call bq27k has no idea about MBC still "charging" Aug 09 17:22:34 dos1: (notifications) it should work i guess Aug 09 17:22:59 bumbl: i don't think ubifs image was tested at all ;x Aug 09 17:23:00 DocScrutinizer: we should report battery, not charger status, right? Only battery current can tell us if it's charging or not. Aug 09 17:23:53 I think the status is about MBC, not if bat is building up capacity during last 5sec Aug 09 17:24:17 DocScrutinizer: battery status is about MBC? hm... Aug 09 17:24:26 hmm now i have an kernel panic because the kernel does not support ubifs Aug 09 17:24:40 We should process charger insert or remove events at least until the battery confirms what's happening Aug 09 17:24:44 and that's the way it should be, as user isn't interested in a blue led during call, when actually bat isn't full Aug 09 17:24:49 DocScrutinizer: but bq27000 can report "bogus" value for 5 sec, MBC can report bogus value (because we have gsm connected to charger) indefinetely. Aug 09 17:25:57 PaulFertser: that's no bogus report, thats the cold cruel reality and truth Aug 09 17:26:43 DocScrutinizer: i'd prefer to wait for 5 sec for a definite answer... Aug 09 17:26:43 and for "infinitely" - that should ne fixed by setting charge_current-threshold correctly Aug 09 17:28:20 WHAT IS a definite answer???? "not charging" aka "full" during call with a bat down to 10% and MBC in state of charging for sure is NOT Aug 09 17:28:53 DocScrutinizer: i think it should be like that: if bq27000 reports positive current, it's charging, if negative -- discharging, if bq27000 not present, judge by MBC state. Aug 09 17:29:02 IMHO it's the most sane option here. Aug 09 17:29:28 "not charging" aka "full"? Aug 09 17:29:54 for me "not charging" != "full" Aug 09 17:29:56 DocScrutinizer: when judging only by MBC you'll have bogus "charging" state whenever charger is not enough to feed the modem, so battery "helps" it. Aug 09 17:30:02 nonsense. if you want to do it like that, then teach your app to do exactly that. there's no need to mess with status sysnode Aug 09 17:30:10 dos1: for me "not charging" == nonsense and should never be reported ;) Aug 09 17:31:06 PaulFertser: what about state with exactly 0mA current? ;> Aug 09 17:31:32 dos1: well, for that i'd agree on non charging. Aug 09 17:31:37 ;) Aug 09 17:32:34 for me both ideas are valid ( PaulFertser's and DocScrutinizer's ), it just depends on POV Aug 09 17:32:36 DocScrutinizer: for me status sysnode means what actually happens with the battery at any given time. Since we can't count on charger enabled bit i'd prefer to have a correct but late answer rather than fast but possibly incorrect. Aug 09 17:33:30 battery POV vs. user POV :P Aug 09 17:34:11 that's nonsense. you are nuking actual info for a stupid derived boolen result of "this sysnode tells me that other sysnode has negative sign" Aug 09 17:34:23 dos1: what is in bluez-utils package? hciutil sdptool? Aug 09 17:34:29 that BAD and SILLy Aug 09 17:34:51 DocScrutinizer: well... the hardware we have is bad and silly Aug 09 17:34:55 PaulFertser: dunno :( Aug 09 17:35:56 dos1: can you check please? Aug 09 17:36:27 damn, the hw is *much* cuter than what you suggest to do to the sysfs. Aug 09 17:36:42 PaulFertser: i think bluez-utils is bluez3 related Aug 09 17:37:12 dos1: ok, thanks Aug 09 17:37:28 DocScrutinizer: i can't agree yet. Probably you're right. Aug 09 17:37:54 PMU MBC has a decent notion of bat still needing charge or actually filled to max. Only thing is you need to push curlim-threshold from 16mA up to >>30mA Aug 09 17:38:37 DocScrutinizer: which is done already in qi, am i right? Aug 09 17:39:00 plus KICKVNUKE that nasty restart kernel patch (if that hadn't happened yet) Aug 09 17:39:13 dos1: afaik yes Aug 09 17:39:31 http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qi.git;a=blobdiff;f=src/cpu/s3c2442/gta02.c;h=13be2acd0edd519be455e59750161ae2a406be01;hp=1a3127498b42877113be2187baa9536360fa1bbe;hb=d6112c55255a30e5b4bc039fa79006b4f38f58af;hpb=2a2a06ff407b37f924d91b0904ce3be194d0d47f Aug 09 17:39:49 if that's >>30mA, then yes :) Aug 09 17:39:55 dos1: needs to be duplicated in kernel or userland/superuser (initscript) Aug 09 17:42:22 TAsn, ping Aug 09 17:43:08 mrmoku, ? Aug 09 17:43:21 TAsn, regarding your number/name magic Aug 09 17:43:28 how is that done nowadays Aug 09 17:43:30 (configuration) Aug 09 17:43:44 /etc/phone-utils.conf Aug 09 17:43:46 ahh phoneutils-conf Aug 09 17:43:47 :) Aug 09 17:43:58 admiral0_, take a look in /etc/phone-utils.conf Aug 09 17:44:06 :) Aug 09 17:44:12 ok thanks Aug 09 17:44:23 TAsn, does it work for insane countries like italy too? :P Aug 09 17:44:35 mrmoku, with the right configuration, I think so Aug 09 17:44:39 it's DocScrutinizer's algo Aug 09 17:44:54 we should add something about that on our wiki... Aug 09 17:45:05 DocScrutinizer: I agree MBC knows if it needs charge or not. But that not exactly status. I provided you with a full description where this logic gives a wrong result. You'll be sure your battery is charging (if you don't look at current_now) but it will be in fact discharging, probably even quite fast. Aug 09 17:45:05 mrmoku, shr manual Aug 09 17:45:13 (we should also add it there) Aug 09 17:45:17 yep Aug 09 17:45:18 mrmoku: we should add some automation and GUI for that :P Aug 09 17:45:30 dos1, that would be your domain then ;) Aug 09 17:45:48 mrmoku, we already discussed that :) Aug 09 17:46:11 we want a first run installer Aug 09 17:46:25 it'll set up stuff automatically and will ask the user to confirm Aug 09 17:46:43 I think dos1 will do it after adding that wiki entry *wink* Aug 09 17:46:43 :) Aug 09 17:46:47 i still do not understand Aug 09 17:46:56 where should i put +39? Aug 09 17:47:02 admiral0_, international prefix Aug 09 17:47:02 admiral0_, not +39 Aug 09 17:47:06 just 39 Aug 09 17:47:08 instead of 49 Aug 09 17:47:10 :) Aug 09 17:47:14 dos1|away, you coward! Aug 09 17:47:15 err country code Aug 09 17:47:15 PaulFertser: so you suggest we should report charging stopped in that pathological case? so user thinks "duh, my bat doesn't charge anymore, so probably it's ol to unplug charger"??? c'mon Aug 09 17:47:43 admiral0_, and national prefix probably should be empty for italy Aug 09 17:47:57 mrmoku, :) Aug 09 17:48:02 we should maybe hold a list Aug 09 17:48:06 for countries Aug 09 17:48:13 yep Aug 09 17:48:18 and maybe operators? Aug 09 17:48:24 DocScrutinizer: no, i suggest to report battery is discharging in that case. Aug 09 17:48:27 PaulFertser: you are depriving information from user Aug 09 17:48:40 DocScrutinizer: a decent argument, indeed. Aug 09 17:48:42 user isn't braindead Aug 09 17:49:02 DocScrutinizer: but we have /sys/class/power_supply/usb/status to know about charger status, no? Aug 09 17:49:11 DocScrutinizer, hehe that's a your standard argument ;) Aug 09 17:49:17 ( user isn't braindead) Aug 09 17:49:32 TAsn, is ophonekitd restart needed after fiddling in phone-utils.conf? Aug 09 17:49:36 aaaaaaaaaaaaaah Aug 09 17:49:39 works Aug 09 17:49:41 :) Aug 09 17:50:32 rebootin' Aug 09 17:51:01 i just love the don't panic screen Aug 09 17:51:15 dos1|away, mokonnect is not in lite image Aug 09 17:51:32 if he looks at bat applet he wants to see "device tries to charge bat". usb staus isn't MBC status. If user looks at settings-power, he sees "duh device tries to charge, but actually the current is discharge. ok, that's clear status report". What do you suggest user shall concluse from settings-power if you implemented your botch?? Aug 09 17:51:57 mrmoku, aye. Aug 09 17:52:06 mrmoku, maybe it should be Aug 09 17:52:11 as it's already light enough Aug 09 17:52:15 (54mb on gta01) Aug 09 17:52:22 either that or rip out connman ;) Aug 09 17:52:35 a few more Ks for core functionality is a must. Aug 09 17:52:41 mrmoku, connman should not be there Aug 09 17:52:46 it should just be a dep for mokonnect Aug 09 17:52:53 s/for/of/ Aug 09 17:52:54 TAsn meant: it should just be a dep of mokonnect Aug 09 17:53:02 TAsn, connman is part of task-fso-compliance :) Aug 09 17:53:09 mrmoku, bah ok Aug 09 17:53:13 don't mess with that Aug 09 17:53:18 I want a testing image ;) Aug 09 17:53:19 well... I will Aug 09 17:53:31 because I want to give NetworkManager a try ;) Aug 09 17:53:33 what about that fso issue? Aug 09 17:53:47 mrmoku, please Aug 09 17:53:50 AFTER Aug 09 17:53:50 networkmanager must die Aug 09 17:53:55 we get a testing image. Aug 09 17:53:59 :( Aug 09 17:54:01 try netcfg Aug 09 17:54:04 with nm? Aug 09 17:54:07 :P Aug 09 17:54:15 no Aug 09 17:54:17 mrmoku, next weeks testing can be with nm Aug 09 17:54:18 I don't care Aug 09 17:54:21 though please Aug 09 17:54:24 let's make ONE Aug 09 17:54:27 testing that works Aug 09 17:54:28 :) Aug 09 17:54:39 well... right now we need mickey|bbq for that Aug 09 17:54:52 mrmoku, let's crash in his party :) Aug 09 17:54:58 http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Netcfg Aug 09 17:55:02 or somebody else with light vala-foo and fso access ;) Aug 09 17:55:13 mrmoku, :| Aug 09 17:55:30 * TAsn wants a testing image :( Aug 09 17:55:45 F4t, mrmoku is considering to drop connman ;) Aug 09 17:56:03 PaulFertser: what you suggest is to nuke a sysfs node that has actual info, and replace that with a sign-flag sysfs node. So user can ask for sign of current_now by either looking at sign in current_now or by looking for content of status sysfs node. That's nonsense. Period. Aug 09 17:56:08 F4t, do you know http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Netcfg Aug 09 17:56:11 mrmoku, btw, I suggested nm from the beginning so I'm on your side :) Aug 09 17:56:21 TAsn, F4t suggested to give nm a try :P Aug 09 17:56:47 mrmoku, I also suggested that Aug 09 17:56:49 TAsn, nm wont be too bad, ill have to rebuild some shit Aug 09 17:56:50 about an year ago ;) Aug 09 17:56:52 netcfg netcfg netcfg >< Aug 09 17:57:37 PaulFertser: if you don't like the semtics of status sysfs-node, then don't use it! Aug 09 17:57:57 s/semtics/semantics/ Aug 09 17:57:57 DocScrutinizer meant: PaulFertser: if you don't like the semantics of status sysfs-node, then don't use it! Aug 09 17:58:55 Heinervdm, have you done the recipes with an OE tree? Aug 09 17:59:01 PaulFertser: if you don't like the particular details status sysfs-node is working, then improve those details Aug 09 17:59:03 so 3932100 is value of time_to_* when it shouldn't be used, yup? Aug 09 17:59:07 mrmoku: yes Aug 09 17:59:16 mrmoku: current shr-unstalbe Aug 09 17:59:28 Heinervdm, could you send a patch for that instead of the tar.gz Aug 09 17:59:30 whats netcfg? Aug 09 17:59:34 at least that would give you credit :) Aug 09 17:59:57 Heinervdm, just commit it to some local branch and git email it Aug 09 18:00:04 ok Aug 09 18:00:09 Heinervdm, thanks :D Aug 09 18:00:14 dos1: afair it's maxint(unsigned-16) Aug 09 18:00:15 netcfg is a network manager Aug 09 18:00:28 aka 65535 Aug 09 18:00:32 a simple network manager Aug 09 18:00:52 we'll use it on archmobile Aug 09 18:00:59 or 0xFF Aug 09 18:02:17 dos1|away: I'd consider displaying the name of the actually displayed value (time-til-full, time-to-empty) next to the actual value Aug 09 18:02:37 mrmoku: how do i commit to a local branch? Aug 09 18:03:31 Heinervdm, git checkout -b heinervdm Aug 09 18:03:32 dos1|away: please use my script to understand better those bq27k details Aug 09 18:03:42 and then use git gui Aug 09 18:03:53 (or git add and git commit ... whatever you prefer) Aug 09 18:04:41 Heinervdm, and after that git send-email to mail it to shr-devel Aug 09 18:07:35 DocScrutinizer: now i see you can't be wrong here: so many exclamation points can't lie. Aug 09 18:07:36 dos1|away: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#That_bq27000_chip_seems_to_be_pretty_cool.2C_how_can_i_read_and_understand_its_raw_registers.3F Aug 09 18:08:04 PaulFertser: sory, I got upset on the issue Aug 09 18:08:58 DocScrutinizer: well, i didn't even wrote a single char to make that botch and you're already upset. ;) Aug 09 18:09:37 bet fell upset in time than to feel sorrow when damage is done Aug 09 18:09:44 betTER Aug 09 18:09:46 So true. Aug 09 18:09:49 feel Aug 09 18:10:31 anyway, need to have some offtime now. This exhausted me and my dinner is waiting Aug 09 18:20:22 Heinervdm, if you need further help... just bug me Aug 09 18:20:54 mrmoku: i'm trying to configure git to send the mail Aug 09 18:21:01 ok Aug 09 18:21:09 i added some variables to .git/config Aug 09 18:21:54 somehow mokonnect is inferior on scanning WLAN to a simple "iwlist eth0 scan" it seems. Aug 09 18:21:54 git send-email --to smartphone-userland@linuxtogo.org --from mok@mnet-online.de HEAD^..HEAD Aug 09 18:22:01 was how I used it last time :) Aug 09 18:22:26 DocScrutinizer, to be correct... connman is inferior Aug 09 18:22:44 yup, that's what I meant probably Aug 09 18:22:48 mrmoku: my smtp server is not configured properly Aug 09 18:25:29 Heinervdm, hmm Aug 09 18:25:43 DocScrutinizer: hmm Aug 09 18:25:45 root@(none) /sys/class/power_supply/battery $ cat time_to_empty_now Aug 09 18:25:47 3932100 Aug 09 18:25:48 root@(none) /sys/class/power_supply/battery $ cat time_to_full_now Aug 09 18:25:50 2400 Aug 09 18:29:29 PaulFertser: when changing battery drivers i didn't need to restart enlightenment Aug 09 18:29:40 dos1: yes, noticed that too Aug 09 18:30:01 dos1: so that's probably a bug in kernel Aug 09 18:30:36 dos1|away: please use my script to understand better those bq27k details Aug 09 18:31:01 dos1|away: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#That_bq27000_chip_seems_to_be_pretty_cool.2C_how_can_i_read_and_understand_its_raw_registers.3F Aug 09 18:31:30 I'm back! :) Aug 09 18:31:48 dos1: I see 65535 there. No idea what kernel does to mangle those values to get a result of 3932100 Aug 09 18:33:10 dos1: or my brain is cooked to "weldone" oday and I'm totally wrong. Wouldn't be surprised though it seems not to be like that Aug 09 18:34:29 dos1, http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/phoneui Aug 09 18:34:32 feel free to edit :) Aug 09 18:34:55 dos1: "0x17 - 0x16: `pv 0x17 0x16`" " TTE Time-to-Empty High - Low Byte Minutes R" So this are 2 bytes. how could it becme more than 0xFFFF? Aug 09 18:36:31 hmm, maybe sysfs node reports seconds rather than minutes? Aug 09 18:36:55 yep Aug 09 18:36:59 that's it Aug 09 18:37:33 3932100sec / 60s/m = 65535min Aug 09 18:41:00 dos1, mrmoku, anyone, do you remember the exact name of the dbusfication of GUI thread? Aug 09 18:41:31 mrmoku: got git send-email running :) Aug 09 18:41:38 patch is send Aug 09 18:41:54 what should i modprobe to get dev/dsp? Aug 09 18:42:22 nvm found it! :) Aug 09 18:42:46 (for some reason I thought it was in shr-core and not shr-devel) Aug 09 18:44:20 Heinervdm, thanks :) Aug 09 18:49:25 WOW\ Aug 09 18:49:29 this thread is boring Aug 09 18:49:33 everybody just say Aug 09 18:49:35 "I agree" Aug 09 18:49:47 in a boring and long way Aug 09 18:49:47 :| Aug 09 18:49:54 without actual content! Aug 09 18:49:54 :( Aug 09 18:56:46 Heinervdm, applied and building Aug 09 18:57:02 :) Aug 09 19:00:16 dos1: where do i find SingleQueryHandler? it's not in pimd_generic Aug 09 19:00:48 dos1: found it :) Aug 09 19:04:10 dos1: but i'm having a problem, for opmid_dates i need to query for all dates of a day, and because a date can spread through multiple days i can't use a day, start-time and end-time field Aug 09 19:04:42 so i have to query for a timestamp bigger and smaller then a given one... Aug 09 19:05:10 but with the current concept thats impossible Aug 09 19:07:34 Ainulindale, where are you?! Aug 09 19:07:44 I haven't heard a word from you in a while :) Aug 09 19:09:01 Heinervdm: Day field with multiple values? Aug 09 19:09:14 Heinervdm: or regexps Aug 09 19:09:24 Heinervdm: querying is done by regular expressions now Aug 09 19:09:25 hehe this thread is about EVERYTHING *BUT* DBUSFICATION OF API! Aug 09 19:09:26 :( Aug 09 19:10:12 dos1: querying with some smaller and greater would be great... Aug 09 19:10:43 OMG what a waste of time :( Aug 09 19:10:48 knowing relevant. Aug 09 19:11:02 Heinervdm: isn't it possible with regexps? Aug 09 19:11:09 hmm... Aug 09 19:11:13 maybe it isn't ;x Aug 09 19:11:33 dos1: regexp is string based Aug 09 19:12:50 dos1: first i tought i let the backend do the job of searching Aug 09 19:13:05 Heinervdm: ok. so how do you imagine query call for that? Aug 09 19:13:16 [21:04] dos1: but i'm having a problem, for opmid_dates i need to query for all dates of a day, and because a date can spread through multiple days i can't use a day, start-time and end-time field Aug 09 19:13:21 TAsn: Just came back home Aug 09 19:13:26 for that you can use Day field with multiple values Aug 09 19:13:29 I was there on friday TAsn Aug 09 19:13:33 And fixed some issues with mrmoku Aug 09 19:13:40 but that's quite limited approach ;x Aug 09 19:13:42 THis week-end I was in holidays Aug 09 19:13:44 Ainulindale, cool :) Aug 09 19:13:49 how's the new job treating you? Aug 09 19:13:58 Ainulindale, I'm making a wiki page about UI dbusification Aug 09 19:14:04 as I'm taking this a step forward. Aug 09 19:14:31 dos1: yes i would like to have all dates for a month too, and perhaps for the first half day, or something like that Aug 09 19:14:32 Ainulindale, I'll of course discuss everything in list though just to inform you about some of the conclusions we reached: Aug 09 19:14:56 we are renaming (and rewriting - fixing) libframework-phonegui to a more maintainable name, libphone-ui Aug 09 19:15:18 a daemon called ophoneuid will load that UI and will offer the DBUS methods Aug 09 19:15:31 Well I disagree from the start Aug 09 19:15:33 ophonekitd will call those dbus methods Aug 09 19:15:39 "we" is not "we" as long as there's no vote for that =) Aug 09 19:15:39 dos1: i would like to have a funktion: GetDatesForDay( "08/09/2009" ) Aug 09 19:15:50 Ainulindale, as I said Aug 09 19:15:56 Heinervdm: so implement that! :) Aug 09 19:15:56 And I disagree to separate ophonekitd/osomethingid Aug 09 19:16:00 Ainulindale, I'll of course discuss everything in list though just to inform you about some of the conclusions we reached: Aug 09 19:16:07 ophonekitd has no purpose whatsoever other than that Aug 09 19:16:13 Ainulindale, sure it has Aug 09 19:16:18 Heinervdm: pimd_calls.py is the place for GetDatesForDay Aug 09 19:16:20 it asks for gsm Aug 09 19:16:24 And only that. Aug 09 19:16:24 s/calls/dates/ Aug 09 19:16:26 dos1 meant: Heinervdm: pimd_dates.py is the place for GetDatesForDay Aug 09 19:16:26 ;x Aug 09 19:16:26 no Aug 09 19:16:32 it will do exactly what it does now Aug 09 19:16:32 TAsn: Name other stuff Aug 09 19:16:41 make the incoming call show Aug 09 19:16:47 call the notifier Aug 09 19:16:49 i.e Aug 09 19:16:51 ophoneuid Aug 09 19:16:54 is the GUI daemon Aug 09 19:16:54 And that's typically why it SHOULDn't be separated Aug 09 19:16:58 Because it'll trigger overhead Aug 09 19:17:03 dos1: i will think a bit more about it :) Aug 09 19:17:04 dbus calls for nothing Aug 09 19:17:05 and opohnekitd is the link between UI and underlying framework Aug 09 19:17:11 Ainulindale, first of all Aug 09 19:17:11 using a modular structure we don't need two processes for that Aug 09 19:17:17 it's not really overhead Aug 09 19:17:19 or two names of whatsoever Aug 09 19:17:23 To me it is Aug 09 19:17:24 as the latency is very small Aug 09 19:17:27 Prove me wrong and you'll have my vote Aug 09 19:17:31 as the latency is very small Aug 09 19:17:33 For now scramble vote and this is my call :-) Aug 09 19:17:33 :) Aug 09 19:17:38 (i.e. veto) Aug 09 19:17:50 Ainulindale, first of all Aug 09 19:17:56 Ainulindale: don't worry, i had the same point as you ;) Aug 09 19:17:57 concerning ophonekitd and UI seperation Aug 09 19:17:58 TAsn: I don't have time to talk about that over IRC right now Aug 09 19:18:04 Ainulindale, you suck :) Aug 09 19:18:07 but just as a quick howto for you Aug 09 19:18:08 I already convinced dos1 Aug 09 19:18:14 :) Aug 09 19:18:17 dos1 is young Aug 09 19:18:17 ? Aug 09 19:18:20 TAsn: no, i said i have to think on it Aug 09 19:18:21 So, quick howto Aug 09 19:18:22 :P Aug 09 19:18:25 dos1, sh.. Aug 09 19:18:30 We need one layer between middleware and user Aug 09 19:18:33 which we'll call UI layer Aug 09 19:18:43 I don't see why we would need two separate processes Aug 09 19:18:48 Which will obviously obfuscate everything Aug 09 19:18:51 Pick your reasons Aug 09 19:18:53 WRite a nice mail to me Aug 09 19:18:56 I'll consider it Aug 09 19:19:15 Meanwhile I'm half naked, red as a cooked shrimp Aug 09 19:19:25 I intend to enjoy a nice cold shower Aug 09 19:19:40 TAsn: You know my drift anyway Aug 09 19:19:41 i agree with Ainulindale, but i understand TAsn's point ;) Aug 09 19:19:54 I'm open to anything as long as there is (sensible) technical backing Aug 09 19:20:10 I'd even consider writing this in brainfuck if you had valid reasons Aug 09 19:20:21 I just need them written somewhere to discuss over Aug 09 19:20:23 Ainulindale, quickie reason Aug 09 19:20:29 Quickie is wrongie Aug 09 19:20:35 Write it, even if it's just for me Aug 09 19:20:41 If you're lucky I'll be your partner Aug 09 19:20:43 ophoenkitd registers to GSM Aug 09 19:20:50 and should be done BEFORE Aug 09 19:20:51 If you're not, let us say now that I'll settle that as a gentleman :-) Aug 09 19:20:54 X11 is even loaded Aug 09 19:21:08 (I don't care the framework take ages to load atm, in the future...) Aug 09 19:21:17 TAsn: that's not a valid reasons for the (long) reason I'll expose in the forthcoming mail you'll write Aug 09 19:21:22 s/reasons/reason/ Aug 09 19:21:23 Ainulindale meant: TAsn: that's not a valid reason for the (long) reason I'll expose in the forthcoming mail you'll write Aug 09 19:21:28 Ainulindale, bah, later. Aug 09 19:21:30 I'll send a mail. Aug 09 19:21:31 TAsn: seriously :-) Aug 09 19:21:33 Write a mail Aug 09 19:21:34 and'll prove you wrong. Aug 09 19:21:36 ok. Aug 09 19:21:40 I'm too exhausted Aug 09 19:21:43 6h of train Aug 09 19:21:51 Plus walking in the streets of Rennes Aug 09 19:21:53 I'm just tired Aug 09 19:22:24 You know I'm not stubborn anyway when I can talk with people trying to compromise and/or express their thoughts clearly without asserting that as a default, their opinion is the only one Aug 09 19:22:47 I just need that opinion written somewhere to digest it over time :-) Aug 09 19:22:52 (I often read mails twice or thrice) Aug 09 19:23:17 Ainulindale, Aug 09 19:23:21 it's here in irc logs :) Aug 09 19:23:23 but ok Aug 09 19:23:29 will write a proper email Aug 09 19:23:36 http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/UI%20dbusfication Aug 09 19:23:45 TAsn: Well Aug 09 19:23:51 IRC logs aren't that traceable Aug 09 19:24:00 And you can't reply to an IRC log from a week ago Aug 09 19:24:02 dos1, Ainulindale, mrmoku, I'm trying to keep track of wanted features of the API and the actual API specs, please review. Aug 09 19:24:06 And people aren't all on IRC anyway Aug 09 19:24:06 :) Aug 09 19:24:17 Ainulindale, I know. Aug 09 19:24:22 And believe me this is not sloth Aug 09 19:24:36 I genuinely think that you should write that down on a proper communication media :-p Aug 09 19:24:39 not "lol" media :-) Aug 09 19:24:56 Ainulindale, I agree. Aug 09 19:24:59 And thanks for the "step forward" think it's ab it difficult for me with all the stuff I need to do right now to do that Aug 09 19:25:01 * Meomer was so tempted to just write lol to that Aug 09 19:25:02 as I said a couple of times now Aug 09 19:25:18 Ainulindale, I'll of course discuss everything in list though just to inform you about some of the conclusions we reached: Aug 09 19:25:23 I'll discuss it in list... Aug 09 19:25:29 TAsn: don't worry I saw that Aug 09 19:25:31 But again Aug 09 19:25:34 I just gave you insider info Aug 09 19:25:37 I'm too tired :-) Aug 09 19:25:46 If I feel fine enough later on I'll come back and talk with you about that Aug 09 19:25:50 Right now Aug 09 19:25:51 Bellty empty Aug 09 19:25:57 s/llt/ll/ Aug 09 19:25:58 Ainulindale meant: Belly empty Aug 09 19:25:59 and forehead red Aug 09 19:26:05 And I need a beer to quench my thirst Aug 09 19:26:15 You can relate to that can't you? :-) Aug 09 19:26:30 did someone say beer? Aug 09 19:27:18 * mrmoku considers going downstairs to get a beer... Aug 09 19:45:51 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r4e0fbe17e4fd 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_battery.py: [Battery] don't rely on status when displaying remaining time Aug 09 19:46:42 dos1, :( I'm now I'm bugging you too much, but please consider adding the wiki page as I want users to comment on this already ;) Aug 09 19:46:59 TAsn: i'm doing it now Aug 09 19:47:09 dos1, SHR: seba.dos1 shr-settings * r4e0fbe17e4fd /shr_settings_modules/shr_battery.py: [Battery] don't rely on status when displaying remaining time Aug 09 19:47:10 :) Aug 09 19:47:19 TAsn: it was already done ;p Aug 09 19:47:20 You just can't stop coding can't you? you are an addict! :) Aug 09 19:47:29 :D Aug 09 19:47:31 dos1, btw before you start Aug 09 19:47:37 I need pros and cons Aug 09 19:47:52 for and against ophoneuid (separated from ophoenkitd) Aug 09 19:48:18 con - too many deamons to restart when something crashes ;p Aug 09 19:48:56 con - no gain in separating. exactly the same can be done with integrated ophonekitd Aug 09 19:49:15 dos1, nah Aug 09 19:49:16 pro - easier to write, ophonekitd can be in vala, ophoneuid can be in C etc. Aug 09 19:49:19 the UI daemon should just be there Aug 09 19:49:36 the second con isn't a real con Aug 09 19:49:39 as it's not seperating Aug 09 19:49:44 separating Aug 09 19:49:47 as it's not there! Aug 09 19:49:50 TAsn, seperating does not necessarily mean two daemons Aug 09 19:50:10 not-so-pro-but - 2007.2 was doing it in one daemon Aug 09 19:50:17 TAsn: you know what i mean ;p Aug 09 19:50:28 I'm thinking more about some plugin kind of arch Aug 09 19:50:32 TAsn: i'm not native speaker! Aug 09 19:50:46 (you are not too ;p) Aug 09 19:50:48 <[Rui]> F4t: hi there Aug 09 19:50:54 dos1, hehe yeah, I'm NOT :) Aug 09 19:51:08 <[Rui]> F4t: what you asked me for, yesterday: http://pastebin.com/m56ddf293 Aug 09 19:51:33 [Rui], hi, looking into it Aug 09 19:52:18 [Rui], "Exception on proposescan: org.moblin.connman.Error.NoCarrier: No carrier" Aug 09 19:52:40 <[Rui]> F4t: so? Aug 09 19:53:12 cant help much with that.... restarting doesnt help? how about connman update? u have the image from august? Aug 09 19:53:28 <[Rui]> F4t: I have the image from yesterday Aug 09 19:53:37 Ainulindale, sent to shr-devel Aug 09 19:53:46 mrmoku, dos1, you are welcomed to review as well ;) Aug 09 19:54:11 for some odd reason connman reports no carrier on the wifi device Aug 09 19:55:41 hmmmm...... Aug 09 19:55:51 WTF is that? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/007c6c7183236cd78856a6a195852ae8.png ;D Aug 09 19:55:54 [Rui], "opkg list_installed | grep connman" Aug 09 19:55:55 <[Rui]> F4t: I'm all for trying new things. Aug 09 19:56:57 <[Rui]> F4t: seems normal: http://pastebin.com/d1af323ed Aug 09 19:57:37 [Rui], "opkg remove connman-plugin-bluetooth connman-plugin-loopback connman-plugin-pppd" Aug 09 19:57:42 the restart your phone Aug 09 19:57:45 then* Aug 09 19:59:36 <[Rui]> huh? Aug 09 20:00:57 <[Rui]> restarting connman isn't enough? Aug 09 20:01:22 dos1, looks like the page he was trying to access was not found? :) Aug 09 20:01:45 [Rui], try restarting connman, if it doesnt help, restart the whole phone Aug 09 20:02:26 F4t: good point :DDD Aug 09 20:02:44 <[Rui]> weird... Aug 09 20:03:07 [Rui], ? Aug 09 20:03:12 <[Rui]> F4t: is there a problem with those connman plugins? Aug 09 20:03:27 i saw some problematic lines in the log.... sec ill point them out... Aug 09 20:04:18 connmand[1746]: supplicant.c:supplicant_probe() conn 0x33010 Aug 09 20:04:18 connmand[1746]: supplicant.c:supplicant_probe() driver 0x402a8438 name wifi Aug 09 20:04:18 ... Aug 09 20:04:18 connmand[1746]: bluetooth.c:bluetooth_connect() connection 0x33010 Aug 09 20:04:59 why would bluetooth use same connection.... Aug 09 20:10:49 <[Rui]> well, let's try it... I'm a bit slow since I'm doing some tech support to my sister in law and her ubuntu netbook remix Aug 09 20:11:47 <[Rui]> argh... again it's not saving the network and password Aug 09 20:14:09 Hi all, is there a word out how to fix/update/workaround the problem of building the latest libfsoframework ? Aug 09 20:14:54 [Rui], extremely odd that its not saving it... :-/ Aug 09 20:15:13 <[Rui]> worse, now I can't pickup a call Aug 09 20:15:16 is /usr/share/mokonnect writeable by the user u run the app with? Aug 09 20:15:31 <[Rui]> and it's my boss Aug 09 20:15:35 TAsn: mail sent Aug 09 20:15:43 dos1, where? Aug 09 20:15:46 [Rui], a call? :-/ connman has nothing to do with that Aug 09 20:15:50 TAsn: shr-devel Aug 09 20:16:03 dos1, I wanted also shr-user, but ok ;) Aug 09 20:16:10 anyhow, I'm working on a wiki page for that. Aug 09 20:16:12 <[Rui]> no, dos1: has Aug 09 20:16:14 (cool) Aug 09 20:16:21 <[Rui]> dos1: I couldn't pick up a call Aug 09 20:16:35 <[Rui]> it was happening right now, from my boss and I couldn't pick it up Aug 09 20:16:43 <[Rui]> I'm going to try to call him back Aug 09 20:16:57 i hope he knows ur using the moko as a phone :) Aug 09 20:17:00 [Rui]: and how am i related to that? ;x Aug 09 20:17:00 dos1, thanks a lot. Aug 09 20:17:02 i'm not your boss ;) Aug 09 20:17:10 TAsn: your mail wasn't sent to shr-user ;x Aug 09 20:17:13 TAsn: just shr-devel Aug 09 20:17:41 dos1, as it's DBUSing the API Aug 09 20:17:52 you are suggested UI look Aug 09 20:17:52 :) Aug 09 20:17:55 (your mail) Aug 09 20:18:17 <[Rui]> a&/>%"/%#/"# the phone wasn't picking up the call, events/0 was at over 30% Aug 09 20:18:35 <[Rui]> I don't know what happened but I've just rebooted to try to call him back Aug 09 20:18:40 dos1, Aug 09 20:18:41 http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/phoneui Aug 09 20:18:42 [Rui]: don't blame the phone, blame the software :) Aug 09 20:18:45 take a look at that Aug 09 20:18:45 <[Rui]> damn damn damn Aug 09 20:19:01 that's what I meant (doing) Aug 09 20:19:03 <[Rui]> he was insisting a lot which means it was urgent :( Aug 09 20:19:03 hehe Aug 09 20:19:21 OH Aug 09 20:19:25 you shouldnt trust the neo Aug 09 20:19:29 dos1, we talked about two different stuff :) Aug 09 20:19:34 TAsn: :DD Aug 09 20:19:41 I was referring to your sketches :) Aug 09 20:19:45 <[Rui]> lindi-: I'm too stressed right now to find that funny, sorry :( Aug 09 20:19:45 hmmm many usefull "exmaples" Aug 09 20:19:50 (please add them to the wiki link I provided) Aug 09 20:19:58 TAsn: i will Aug 09 20:20:08 [Rui], a missed call is that big a deal, your cant be avalible 24/7 Aug 09 20:20:08 TAsn: i even already started doing it ;p Aug 09 20:20:16 isnt* Aug 09 20:20:23 dos1, cool :) Aug 09 20:20:25 <[Rui]> F4t: he wouldn't be calling so insistently unless it was urgent Aug 09 20:20:38 call him from ut home phone then Aug 09 20:20:39 <[Rui]> F4t: I work as a sysadmin at THE portuguese payments network Aug 09 20:20:41 ur* Aug 09 20:20:54 or from someone elses phone... Aug 09 20:21:05 <[Rui]> F4t: so even if I'm not available 24/7 we do feel a lot of that said weigth of responsability Aug 09 20:21:19 <[Rui]> although it is their fault I don't have a company phone :) Aug 09 20:21:33 <[Rui]> maybe now I could demand an iPhone... Aug 09 20:21:34 * [Rui] hides Aug 09 20:22:08 or an^H hero Aug 09 20:22:09 * dos1 would prefer to some old Nokia than iPhone ;p Aug 09 20:22:21 <[Rui]> gotta go Aug 09 20:22:53 other phones are boring... Aug 09 20:23:10 even if, as iPhone, is ubercool and has uberfeatures Aug 09 20:23:21 it's still just a toy with phone abilities Aug 09 20:23:27 which is getting bored after some time Aug 09 20:23:42 i like FR, cause i can't be bored with it ;) Aug 09 20:24:16 yep, boredom replaced by frustration Aug 09 20:24:22 if i didn't buy FR, i would buy some dumb, simple handset Aug 09 20:24:47 dos1: http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr-dist/opimd-dates.patch Aug 09 20:25:03 F4t: why frustration? in whole year i had only ~2 situations close to frustiation Aug 09 20:25:15 but i was able to rescure situtation ;) Aug 09 20:25:30 with FR you just have to know your software Aug 09 20:25:51 in that way you know, when you should have your spare Nokia 6230i with you, and when you don't have to ;) Aug 09 20:26:21 and now i don't have nokia with me for few months Aug 09 20:26:47 but i agree, it was necessary with 2007.2 and early-but-already-quite-working SHR Aug 09 20:27:25 ok, /me finished his monolog and now can take a look at Heinervdm's patch :P Aug 09 20:27:43 hmm Aug 09 20:27:58 dos1: can you get a gps fix now? Aug 09 20:28:12 BluesLee: i could few days ago, checking now Aug 09 20:28:21 dos1: i always get 0 of x Aug 09 20:28:33 BluesLee: 0 of x -> then there is no problem Aug 09 20:28:40 just signal strenght ;p Aug 09 20:29:04 TAsn, replied to your mail... though you might not like it :P Aug 09 20:29:08 and it's working now Aug 09 20:29:10 dos1: so the signal strength is always too low? Aug 09 20:29:24 BluesLee: could be Aug 09 20:29:25 mrmoku, damn you and dos1 ! Aug 09 20:29:27 :| Aug 09 20:29:36 DocScrutinizer, help need at shr-devel :) Aug 09 20:29:41 dos1: hmmm Aug 09 20:29:56 dos1: which image do you use? Aug 09 20:30:07 BluesLee: image don't have influence on that Aug 09 20:30:14 dos1: which kernel? Aug 09 20:30:21 if you have 0/x displayed, then it's hardware or signal problem Aug 09 20:30:35 BluesLee: try outside, with holding FR verticaly without any motion Aug 09 20:30:56 BluesLee: it should get fix after that after ~10 minutes in worst case Aug 09 20:31:03 and in ~3 minutes in typical case Aug 09 20:31:11 uff, it worked for about a year without a big effeort Aug 09 20:31:12 and about image and kernel - newest shr ;p Aug 09 20:31:15 dos1, i found that having the device in motion helps it get a faster fix in case of my n95 Aug 09 20:31:31 F4t: here it doesn't ;( Aug 09 20:31:59 never tried the moko gps, is there a street navigation app anyway? Aug 09 20:32:42 F4t: what do you use normally gpsd+? Aug 09 20:32:57 BluesLee, i didnt try gps on moko... Aug 09 20:33:21 once long ago i had tangogps Aug 09 20:33:38 dos1: any hints concerning the new image, any problems? Aug 09 20:35:11 BluesLee: it's fine, just don't upgrade Aug 09 20:35:20 BluesLee: but i don't think it will help you with gps ;p Aug 09 20:35:26 F4t: navit has route engine Aug 09 20:35:44 mrmoku, I liked your comment ;) Aug 09 20:35:53 as you provided me with a very strong point! Aug 09 20:35:54 ;) Aug 09 20:36:09 s/with // Aug 09 20:36:39 * dos1 is for single daemon, but he is also open for good arguments for two daemons Aug 09 20:37:21 dos1, I really can't see one reason FOR a single daemon Aug 09 20:37:30 ONE Aug 09 20:37:37 give me just ONE reason Aug 09 20:37:51 TAsn, memory efficiency? :) Aug 09 20:37:55 dos1: there seems to be an error in the provider list in shr-settings Aug 09 20:37:56 (I'm expecting a valid one, of course) Aug 09 20:38:04 i already sent mail ;p Aug 09 20:38:07 F4t, memory efficiency? of what? Aug 09 20:38:13 it's 10k Aug 09 20:38:15 here or there Aug 09 20:38:16 MAX Aug 09 20:38:19 of a single process vs two processes Aug 09 20:38:19 i can see three (two besides the one i'm connnected to) and none are stated as "forbidden" Aug 09 20:38:28 F4t, it's 10k... Aug 09 20:38:28 and for me it's just overhead Aug 09 20:38:35 the overhead of IPC when u can avoid it... Aug 09 20:38:35 dos1, it's not really overheard Aug 09 20:38:36 Zorkman: so probably you can connect to them Aug 09 20:38:38 ;D Aug 09 20:38:38 head* Aug 09 20:38:46 F4t, it's not IPC overhead Aug 09 20:38:50 but when i try to connect I get a Error happened: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.Blocked: Network not allowed, emergency calls only Aug 09 20:38:56 as you only call it Aug 09 20:39:01 once every couple of minutes Aug 09 20:39:08 TAsn, using IPC Aug 09 20:39:10 Zorkman: then that's something with modem, providers or FSO Aug 09 20:39:15 (on new call, new message, etc) Aug 09 20:39:17 probably modem or FSO :p Aug 09 20:39:30 F4t, as I said, it's rare enough so it doesn't really jam anything Aug 09 20:39:37 it's not like I'm calling a method every 10 secs Aug 09 20:39:58 TAsn: but shouldn't we make less dbus calls when it's possible instead of more? ;) Aug 09 20:40:07 "its rare" is not an excuse for inefficiency... Aug 09 20:40:16 dos1, then why don't we combine the framework with ophonekitd? Aug 09 20:40:24 not to mention dbus can bottleneck and die... Aug 09 20:40:33 TAsn: cause it's different layer Aug 09 20:40:38 F4t, of course it is. Aug 09 20:40:43 dos1, so as this! Aug 09 20:40:45 TAsn: and ophonekitd is in the same layer as ophoneuid Aug 09 20:40:51 ophonekitd is glue Aug 09 20:40:54 between phoneuid Aug 09 20:40:57 and frameworkd Aug 09 20:40:57 FSCK! where's fsoraw? Aug 09 20:41:01 DocScrutinizer, !!! Aug 09 20:41:04 xD Aug 09 20:41:06 Your help is needed ;) Aug 09 20:41:12 shr-devel Aug 09 20:41:13 mrmoku: ^ Aug 09 20:41:15 please comment ;) Aug 09 20:41:25 DocScrutinizer: he won't comment until he'll get fsoraw Aug 09 20:41:27 :) Aug 09 20:41:32 uhh, no mail here Aug 09 20:41:38 DocScrutinizer, nooo! :( Aug 09 20:41:53 ... Aug 09 20:41:55 gimme fsoraw! Aug 09 20:42:00 s/DocScrutinizer/TAsn/ :P Aug 09 20:42:47 TAsn: what will happen, if ophoneuid will crash and ophonekitd will be still alive? Aug 09 20:43:00 TAsn: with one daemon, it will release resource and it won't hurt Aug 09 20:43:19 TAsn: with two daemons you'll get missed calls about which you won't even know Aug 09 20:43:20 ;) Aug 09 20:43:26 dos1, you are wrong Aug 09 20:43:31 I already answered that in mail Aug 09 20:43:31 ! Aug 09 20:43:37 hmm, where? Aug 09 20:43:39 ophonekitd will see the daemon is dead Aug 09 20:43:44 oh Aug 09 20:43:46 and will just send not available messages Aug 09 20:43:47 there are replies Aug 09 20:43:49 ok Aug 09 20:43:50 reading Aug 09 20:43:51 though will still remain connecetd Aug 09 20:43:52 :D Aug 09 20:43:53 connected Aug 09 20:45:31 (for example for gprs, or just for fast error recovery...) Aug 09 20:47:09 dos1, anyhow, concerning the phoneui wiki page, please also write suggestions and pointers on topics you didn't draw sketches for ;) Aug 09 20:47:47 * F4t installling qalee :D Aug 09 20:52:36 * F4t booting qalee Aug 09 20:53:02 TAsn: i think i prefer not being able to use nothing at all when something crashes Aug 09 20:53:12 why? Aug 09 20:53:18 then i can search for reason and fix it Aug 09 20:53:21 TAsn: cause i'm geek Aug 09 20:53:25 :) Aug 09 20:53:31 i feel better motivation then ;) Aug 09 20:53:35 but users don't like having to restart the phone Aug 09 20:53:42 exactly when a girl gives them a phone number Aug 09 20:53:54 "bear with me I'll be able to add your number in ~5 minutes" Aug 09 20:53:55 :) Aug 09 20:54:01 TAsn: I managed to have short glance at dbusification topic. I'll comment later on Aug 09 20:54:07 DocScrutinizer, thanks :) Aug 09 20:54:16 TAsn: gpe-sketchpad -> draw number -> save 5 minutes later ;D Aug 09 20:54:45 and thanks to opimd adding phone number won't depend on gsm ;> Aug 09 20:54:48 dos1, so I think we should ship with gpe-sketch installed Aug 09 20:54:55 dos1, but thanks to your design Aug 09 20:55:00 ophonekitd crashing Aug 09 20:55:06 means you can't open contacts app Aug 09 20:55:07 :) Aug 09 20:55:08 opimd-cli ;;D Aug 09 20:55:08 TAsn: you are aware of dbus-property to start an executable on request for certain dbus-methods/names/servers whatsoever? Aug 09 20:55:11 dos1, :) Aug 09 20:55:32 ohhh Aug 09 20:55:35 DocScrutinizer: good point Aug 09 20:55:36 DocScrutinizer, I heard about it, I think fsousage does that, though I never did that. Aug 09 20:55:44 TAsn: so I don't see why we need a deamon Aug 09 20:55:44 TAsn: i think we should think on it Aug 09 20:55:55 DocScrutinizer: so we have third idea Aug 09 20:56:01 and i think i'm closer to that third ;) Aug 09 20:56:20 dos1, DocScrutinizer, it's just an improvement of the second! Aug 09 20:56:36 as you'll just launch the second daemon on demand Aug 09 20:56:41 TAsn: yup. but HUGE improvement Aug 09 20:56:44 ack Aug 09 20:56:44 OK Aug 09 20:56:56 so DocScrutinizer I'm waiting for your response :) Aug 09 20:57:04 dos1, I'm not sure actually Aug 09 20:57:06 i.e. huge point for splitting Aug 09 20:57:10 as we'll want it to run all the time Aug 09 20:57:10 but not in your way Aug 09 20:57:13 for caching Aug 09 20:57:22 both windows Aug 09 20:57:24 and contacts Aug 09 20:57:29 hmmm Aug 09 20:57:53 that's why we need discussion ;) Aug 09 20:58:20 TAsn: you definitively don't want to cache contacts / whatever Aug 09 20:58:26 maybe windows Aug 09 20:58:32 or images Aug 09 20:58:40 but not dynamic data Aug 09 20:58:50 that's what opimd is for Aug 09 20:59:02 even backends of opimd Aug 09 21:00:44 DocScrutinizer, Aug 09 21:00:54 TAsn: wow, do girls actually give their number to people with FR's? Aug 09 21:00:56 reading from opimd is slow Aug 09 21:01:08 I.E. it's sensible to cache SIM-based data as we have a physical bottleneck there. ALL other data needs to be held non-redundant Aug 09 21:01:09 Zorkman, from experience, until you take out the phone, yeah ;) Aug 09 21:01:21 DocScrutinizer, reading from opimd is slow Aug 09 21:01:27 why? Aug 09 21:01:29 and opimd provides a way to update your cache Aug 09 21:01:30 TAsn: now Aug 09 21:01:37 (sends a NewContact message) Aug 09 21:01:44 TAsn: cause it's not optimized at all Aug 09 21:01:49 dos1, okie. Aug 09 21:01:53 DocScrutinizer, remove the last remark. Aug 09 21:02:02 but we still need to cache windows Aug 09 21:02:05 images Aug 09 21:02:08 with pleasure Aug 09 21:02:15 and other related stuff ;) Aug 09 21:02:24 ok on that part Aug 09 21:02:40 * F4t is a little less impressed by qalee Aug 09 21:02:40 even illume has a means to do that Aug 09 21:02:47 F4t, why? Aug 09 21:02:54 yeah, why? Aug 09 21:03:02 cya Aug 09 21:03:06 its as slow as anything else, if not slower.... Aug 09 21:03:06 bye Aug 09 21:03:11 DocScrutinizer, ciao ;) please respond later. Aug 09 21:03:13 F4t, :) Aug 09 21:03:30 F4t= damn, thought it was going to be significantly faster... Aug 09 21:03:33 and all it has now is a bunch of pretty widgets, and a full screen image Aug 09 21:03:51 mrmoku, dos1, Do you mind me asking the users for a proper illume theme? Aug 09 21:03:52 Zorkman, that was my hope aswell :-/ Aug 09 21:03:56 (i.e from shr-user) Aug 09 21:04:28 Zorkman: about your question about girls - yes ;P Aug 09 21:05:00 Zorkman: i successfully stored number to my girlfriend when i meet her using 2007.2 ;P Aug 09 21:05:03 hehe, was just joking :) Aug 09 21:05:10 Zorkman: i know ;) Aug 09 21:05:12 haha, wow Aug 09 21:05:38 now *give me fsoraw*!!! Aug 09 21:05:52 Zorkman: that's even funnier story Aug 09 21:06:14 WTF?!?! it's neen in 090703, no??? Aug 09 21:06:24 s/neen/been/ Aug 09 21:07:13 Zorkman: my aunt was playing with my freerunner, and she by mistake placed call to her Aug 09 21:07:17 /INVITE bzzbot WAKE UP! Aug 09 21:07:28 Zorkman: i explained that in sms and that's how our first loooong sms conversation started ;) Aug 09 21:07:44 ~seen bzzbot Aug 09 21:07:47 DocScrutinizer: you looking for http://noko.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/noko/trunk/fsoraw/ ? Aug 09 21:07:48 ;x Aug 09 21:07:56 dos1: LOOOOOOL Aug 09 21:08:22 dos1: haha, three cheers for the FR :) Aug 09 21:08:41 dos1, LOL Aug 09 21:08:48 though this doesn't count Aug 09 21:08:54 as she didn't see the FR Aug 09 21:09:01 TAsn: she saw Aug 09 21:09:06 not at first. Aug 09 21:09:09 TAsn: when i was storing number Aug 09 21:09:11 ;) Aug 09 21:09:23 btw: I hope the sms conversation wasn't too long (long smses and the freerunner don't go well together :)) Aug 09 21:09:39 recursion: ->see Aug 09 21:10:05 I agree DocScrutinizer Aug 09 21:10:24 Zorkman: it was long, and i noticed 2007.2 with thousends of smses is getting soooo sloooooooooooow :P Aug 09 21:10:45 that's why i started to look at something else Aug 09 21:10:51 i didn't like ASU? Aug 09 21:10:53 s/?// Aug 09 21:11:08 i liked FSO initiative Aug 09 21:11:14 so i looked at it Aug 09 21:11:32 but zhone wasn't what i wanted, so i tried shr Aug 09 21:11:36 and i was impressed :) Aug 09 21:11:40 mrmoku: fsoraw ! ;-) Aug 09 21:11:47 who was the first to start shr; was it Ainulindale? Aug 09 21:11:51 DocScrutinizer, opkg install fsoraw ;) Aug 09 21:12:08 TAsn, (illume theme) don't mind Aug 09 21:12:10 Ainulindale and few other people who aren't still there IIRC Aug 09 21:12:11 yoyo, needs to be installed by default Aug 09 21:12:27 mrmoku, cool. Aug 09 21:12:54 TAsn: explain what do you mean by that illume theme, i didn't get the point Aug 09 21:13:12 desktop Aug 09 21:13:15 background and shelf Aug 09 21:13:21 they both need colors Aug 09 21:13:22 :) Aug 09 21:13:25 btw: I tried visualboyadvanced (gameboy emulator) on shr, and I'm not getting any sound, some guy said it was due to sdl-mixer, do you guys know of a problem/sollution ? Aug 09 21:14:01 i'm getting "Failed to open audio: No available audio device" Aug 09 21:14:03 blueeeee! Aug 09 21:14:13 Zorkman, yeah, libsdl is broken Aug 09 21:14:24 let's do everything in http://dos.jogger.pl/ colors Aug 09 21:14:26 ;) Aug 09 21:14:29 * dos1 is addicted to blue Aug 09 21:14:29 mrmoku: thanks for the info, any workarounds? Aug 09 21:14:29 Zorkman, was looking into that today :) Aug 09 21:14:40 though no workarounds yet :( Aug 09 21:15:05 either I have to bump libsdl (as newer one might work better with alsa) Aug 09 21:15:29 or rebuild it with oss support (which then means you have to start all libsdl programs with aoss wrapper to get sound) Aug 09 21:15:39 I actually prefer the first one Aug 09 21:15:41 TAsn: do we have keyboard for gameboy emulators in repo? Aug 09 21:15:45 TAsn: if not i'll make one ;) Aug 09 21:15:47 did not work out on a fast try though Aug 09 21:15:56 dos1, we have browse Aug 09 21:15:59 no idea what that is Aug 09 21:16:02 please make one ;) Aug 09 21:16:49 Zorkman: how's graphic working? when i tried some gb emulator on 2007.2 it was quite slow on fullscreen Aug 09 21:17:11 looks quite ok I think (only did a very quick test) Aug 09 21:17:12 i don't need sound ;) Aug 09 21:17:18 dos1, same here Aug 09 21:17:24 though I like to see the source Aug 09 21:17:28 I don't like to install binaries ;\ Aug 09 21:17:34 mortal kombat worked Aug 09 21:17:49 also tried pokemon red (because it was stated as a working one) Aug 09 21:17:50 TAsn: visualboyadvance is open source, but games... ;x Aug 09 21:18:40 dos1, I know Aug 09 21:18:43 mrmoku: add vba to feed! ;D Aug 09 21:18:46 though the dude who ported it Aug 09 21:18:50 only provided binaries... Aug 09 21:18:55 (I think) Aug 09 21:18:58 the new visualboyadvance has a new feature for buttons Aug 09 21:19:10 I know the guy who ported it originally Aug 09 21:19:14 dos1, http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/phoneui Aug 09 21:19:17 well... ? Aug 09 21:19:17 TAsn: ported to neo? Aug 09 21:19:17 :) Aug 09 21:19:20 ;x Aug 09 21:19:22 * dos1 hides Aug 09 21:19:23 dos1, read what Zorkman said. Aug 09 21:19:56 there is also http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gnuboy (I was mistaken, this is the program of which i know the creator) Aug 09 21:20:06 oh, yep Aug 09 21:20:12 i tried gnuboy on 2007.2 Aug 09 21:20:31 Zorkman: from where you have vba? is there bb recipe? Aug 09 21:21:09 DocScrutinizer, fsoraw is already in task-shr-minimal Aug 09 21:21:25 dos1: http://www.opkg.org/package_262.html Aug 09 21:21:26 it just is not in the last image because it did not build in that moment... Aug 09 21:21:41 anyway... off to bed now :) Aug 09 21:21:42 mrmoku: since? Aug 09 21:21:50 yesterday Aug 09 21:22:10 evening I suppose, as it's not in fat-image Aug 09 21:22:48 mrmoku: night Aug 09 21:23:06 Author: Klaus Kurzmann 2009-08-07 23:39:11 Aug 09 21:23:26 yep was evening... before yesterday :) Aug 09 21:23:31 anyway night Aug 09 21:23:57 hmm Aug 09 21:24:08 supertux-qvga could be nice to port to neo Aug 09 21:24:26 walking by accels and jumping/shooting by touchscree Aug 09 21:24:27 n Aug 09 21:24:29 ;) Aug 09 21:27:46 btw dos1 Aug 09 21:27:49 I thought about something Aug 09 21:28:07 what do you think about a graphical debug app? Aug 09 21:28:19 You can start it (maybe from shr-settings) Aug 09 21:28:25 when something crashes Aug 09 21:28:31 and it'll copy the logs Aug 09 21:28:33 and tar them Aug 09 21:28:36 and save them in home Aug 09 21:28:40 or something Aug 09 21:28:50 because many times Aug 09 21:28:57 I find myself using the phone Aug 09 21:29:00 something crashes Aug 09 21:29:05 and I really need to make a call Aug 09 21:29:08 so I restart fast Aug 09 21:29:14 without even saving logs. Aug 09 21:31:34 sounds useful to me Aug 09 21:31:52 no we only need someone to write it Aug 09 21:31:54 * TAsn hides. Aug 09 21:34:50 mrmoku|away should i open ticked about libsdl or will you take care of solving the issue? Aug 09 21:35:03 Zorkman, he's asleep Aug 09 21:35:13 anyhow, opening a ticket is always a good idea. Aug 09 21:35:21 TAsn: yeah I know, but he'll read it tomorrow maybe Aug 09 21:36:54 mrmoku|away: @all: so please check and confirm fsoraw is missing in 88SHR-U-fat, and make sure there's no issue so it will be included with next build. -- or correct me if I'm wrong Aug 09 21:37:47 mrmoku|away: request:include lsfsor Aug 09 21:38:51 mrmoku|away: "mv ./lsfsor /usr/bin/lsfsor" ;-) Aug 09 21:40:11 mrmoku|away: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/raw-attachment/ticket/461/lsfsor.py Aug 09 21:40:43 errks... Aug 09 21:40:57 mrmoku|away: "mv ./lsfsor.py /usr/bin/lsfsor" ;-) Aug 09 21:43:16 TAsn: do u see fsoraw on ur shr? Aug 09 21:43:31 no Aug 09 21:43:33 though I'm using Aug 09 21:43:34 88 Aug 09 21:43:40 same here Aug 09 21:44:00 [2009-08-09 23:23:07] Author: Klaus Kurzmann 2009-08-07 23:39:11 Aug 09 21:44:02 [2009-08-09 23:23:26] yep was evening... before yesterday :) Aug 09 21:44:28 that's 88 Aug 09 21:44:31 [2009-08-09 23:21:10] DocScrutinizer, fsoraw is already in task-shr-minimal Aug 09 21:44:45 DocScrutinizer, it'll be in there by default Aug 09 21:44:48 in the next image Aug 09 21:44:52 k Aug 09 21:45:01 but it's in repos :) Aug 09 21:45:06 you can get it in the meanwhile Aug 09 21:45:10 yes, confirmed Aug 09 21:45:14 DocScrutinizer, now, respond on shr-devel (please) Aug 09 21:45:39 TAsn: sorry this has to wait a little longer Aug 09 21:46:12 DocScrutinizer, as long as you won't forget ;) Aug 09 21:46:29 spank me if I do Aug 09 21:46:38 I'll also forget ;| Aug 09 21:47:35 dos1, phoneui wiki ;) ( DocScrutinizer reminded me I should remind you, by asking me to remind him...) Aug 09 21:47:56 <[Rui]> &"%#"# DB2 "%#%&"$#" mainframe &%"$#&%$"&# ass-"#&%"# Aug 09 21:47:57 lol Aug 09 21:48:12 rui: double-lol Aug 09 21:49:12 OS1000, BS2000, even BS-M. That's nice ;-P Aug 09 21:49:13 <[Rui]> I still don't know what happened with calls, but after reboot it seemed to work normally Aug 09 21:50:45 [Rui]: a good support for TAsn's suggested system-health-snapshot tool (which I like so much I even might consider writing a dead dumb shellscript for it) Aug 09 21:50:49 <[Rui]> and mokonnect still can't convince connman to setup my wifi Aug 09 21:51:15 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: I don't know if I would be able to do that, the phone was terribly slow Aug 09 21:51:38 DocScrutinizer, Aug 09 21:51:41 click on the bomb-icon ;-= Aug 09 21:51:53 tar cf /var/log/* ~/archive.tar Aug 09 21:51:55 or something? Aug 09 21:52:06 (I'm no tar expert) Aug 09 21:52:09 :) Aug 09 21:52:10 TAsn: there's a little more to it Aug 09 21:52:18 DocScrutinizer, like? Aug 09 21:52:27 some ps acrobatics Aug 09 21:52:36 some mdbus calls Aug 09 21:52:40 oh Aug 09 21:52:43 yeah ;) Aug 09 21:52:51 DocScrutinizer, please write a script Aug 09 21:52:59 I'm sure it'll make it easier for use Aug 09 21:53:01 us* Aug 09 21:53:03 to provide a gui Aug 09 21:53:08 sure Aug 09 21:53:41 btw, lsfsor needed as well there ;-) Aug 09 21:53:50 lsfsor? Aug 09 21:53:52 incredibly useful tool ;-D Aug 09 21:53:52 what's that? Aug 09 21:53:59 just give us a list of deps Aug 09 21:54:03 we'll include them :) Aug 09 21:54:12 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/461 Aug 09 21:55:11 DocScrutinizer, we should build it then :) Aug 09 21:55:21 it's a py Aug 09 21:55:31 s/build/package/ Aug 09 21:55:55 TAsn: [2009-08-09 23:37:47] mrmoku|away: request:include lsfsor Aug 09 21:56:03 DocScrutinizer, cool enough :) Aug 09 22:00:09 <[Rui]> I don't get it, how can mokonnect work for you and NOT on a freshly installed image? Aug 09 22:13:38 TAsn: upload those screens to wiki: Aug 09 22:13:39 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/ed1dd81877165400c5ed950a3e2909af.png Aug 09 22:13:47 ok Aug 09 22:13:53 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/13bb54e95cc3465d6c4c8111c32960d4.png Aug 09 22:14:15 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2c3424b6e3053c84426099f496400c02.png Aug 09 22:14:24 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/bcf3918c86105591f896e5a7171b156e.png Aug 09 22:14:40 dos1, how do you want me to call them? Aug 09 22:14:40 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/237888cf9c70b70644a16e6c13145bc8.png Aug 09 22:14:52 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1af9a20f3e415ec7da3c63dfe872935e.png Aug 09 22:15:06 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0639ee99afebcea679abc9d08a45f1ad.png Aug 09 22:15:09 and my sketches Aug 09 22:15:21 link to sketches? Aug 09 22:15:22 TAsn: call them as you want Aug 09 22:15:31 ok Aug 09 22:15:33 TAsn: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/sketches/ IIRC Aug 09 22:15:49 ok Aug 09 22:16:53 hmm Aug 09 22:17:11 wasn't 08.08.08 date of om2008 release? Aug 09 22:17:32 now we have image 08.08 ;P Aug 09 22:17:50 exactly after year... Aug 09 22:17:56 oh shit, that's already year? :x Aug 09 22:19:06 dos1, added all but sketches Aug 09 22:19:42 Ainulindale: please commit somewhere libframeworkd-phonegui-ncurses Aug 09 22:19:45 :P Aug 09 22:20:34 TAsn: nice phonelog mockups :D Aug 09 22:21:37 dos1, do you like them? for real? :) Aug 09 22:22:39 TAsn: i was just joking about your gimp skills, but idea is ok - i don't have any other ideas how to change it. it's good ;) Aug 09 22:22:46 dos1, Aug 09 22:22:47 TAsn: except one thing - "More" button in the mittle :P Aug 09 22:22:50 ... Aug 09 22:22:52 s/mittle/middle/ Aug 09 22:22:54 ;P Aug 09 22:22:56 dos1, I disagree Aug 09 22:23:03 but ok, that's only conventions Aug 09 22:23:13 we'll decide that after we choose mockups Aug 09 22:23:31 dos1, whats the wanted size for your sketches? Aug 09 22:23:32 (I have to shrink em) Aug 09 22:23:41 TAsn: anything still readable :P Aug 09 22:23:59 dos1, I'm asking because to me Aug 09 22:24:02 it's not readable now ;) Aug 09 22:24:05 ;D Aug 09 22:24:06 *even nom Aug 09 22:24:07 now* Aug 09 22:24:08 bah. Aug 09 22:24:15 don't look at text Aug 09 22:24:20 just "graphics" Aug 09 22:24:21 :P Aug 09 22:24:47 50% in size? Aug 09 22:24:54 should be ok Aug 09 22:24:58 33%? Aug 09 22:25:01 33% seems still ok Aug 09 22:25:20 is 33% fine with you? Aug 09 22:26:55 should be ok ;) Aug 09 22:27:27 37% is nice Aug 09 22:27:34 (that's how i see it now in konqueror)P Aug 09 22:28:06 27% is between "nice" and "a little bit too small" Aug 09 22:28:10 dos1, done Aug 09 22:28:12 so 33% should be ok :P Aug 09 22:28:12 33% Aug 09 22:28:14 <[Rui]> nice Aug 09 22:28:35 now please finish it :) Aug 09 22:28:42 ok ;) Aug 09 22:29:01 next time Aug 09 22:29:06 don't hesitate to ask for help Aug 09 22:29:19 as I don't hesitate to bug you till you drop. Aug 09 22:29:20 :) Aug 09 22:31:54 Trac detected an internal error: Aug 09 22:31:55 IntegrityError: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "wiki_pk" Aug 09 22:32:21 you are just trying to make me stop bugging you. Aug 09 22:32:41 but ok, it's saved Aug 09 22:32:43 ;P Aug 09 22:33:12 I can't see it ... :| Aug 09 22:35:31 TAsn: cause i only fixed your typo Aug 09 22:35:32 ;P Aug 09 22:35:40 TAsn: sketches added Aug 09 22:35:48 now some text and opimd-utils references Aug 09 22:36:19 <[Rui]> ok, lest anyone acknowledges that either connman or mokonnect don't work, if it works for you, then either *you* did something, or what's on the images from 20090721 and 20090808 simply doesn't work. Aug 09 22:37:37 [Rui]: it could be wifi driver problem as well ;p Aug 09 22:37:40 dos1, and all the other images I added :) Aug 09 22:37:47 dos1, I also added messages Aug 09 22:37:50 as for some people it works out-of-box Aug 09 22:37:56 <[Rui]> dos1: definitly not, mofi works as advertised Aug 09 22:38:03 uh Aug 09 22:38:16 <[Rui]> the apparent design and intentions expressed by the GUI make me more interested in mokonnect Aug 09 22:38:32 TAsn: that's how opimd-messages look atm ;P Aug 09 22:38:41 dos1, cool :) Aug 09 22:38:43 TAsn: but we need more ;D Aug 09 22:38:46 it rocks! :) Aug 09 22:39:00 dos1, probably Aug 09 22:39:02 TAsn: with few changes (icons and without full date) Aug 09 22:39:04 <[Rui]> well, I'm off to bad, I'll try mokonnect in a few generations or so :( Aug 09 22:39:08 <[Rui]> good night Aug 09 22:39:18 TAsn: we need more than just main screen ;> Aug 09 22:39:22 dos1, what's wrong with the full date? Aug 09 22:39:24 dos1, duh :) Aug 09 22:40:03 TAsn: nothing, i just did what i think is pretier :) Aug 09 22:40:10 +e Aug 09 22:40:29 dos1, btw Aug 09 22:40:39 I don't want to see any "close" buttons :) Aug 09 22:40:52 unless it's quick popups Aug 09 22:40:54 or something Aug 09 22:40:57 yup Aug 09 22:40:58 as ita's a waste of space Aug 09 22:41:03 i'm for Aug 09 22:42:54 TAsn: could you search for that cute mockups? Aug 09 22:43:03 what are you talking about? Aug 09 22:43:07 the ones ainu gave? Aug 09 22:43:08 TAsn: Ainulindale sent links some time ago on this chan Aug 09 22:43:10 yup Aug 09 22:43:23 do you remember when/why he posted them? Aug 09 22:43:31 or any helpful details? Aug 09 22:47:39 TAsn: ... Aug 09 22:47:42 TAsn: did you edit thatp age? Aug 09 22:47:48 yes Aug 09 22:47:50 why? Aug 09 22:48:10 just go to history Aug 09 22:48:14 and copy what's missing Aug 09 22:48:18 (trac wiki sucks) Aug 09 22:49:16 TAsn: ok, done Aug 09 22:49:25 cool Aug 09 22:49:27 stage 2 Aug 09 22:49:29 ;P Aug 09 22:49:31 what about more info about the mockups? Aug 09 22:49:39 (ainu's) Aug 09 22:49:46 I'm trying to seacrh all messages from him Aug 09 22:49:48 TAsn: i didn't mean "done" as "done everything" Aug 09 22:49:49 ;) Aug 09 22:49:56 TAsn: search "mockup" :D Aug 09 22:49:56 what to include in the search terms? Aug 09 22:50:00 can't find anything. Aug 09 22:50:04 hmm Aug 09 22:50:12 doesn't Aug 09 22:50:23 tried many combinations :) Aug 09 22:50:46 also tried GUI Aug 09 22:50:46 ;\ Aug 09 22:52:35 TAsn: try "mock" Aug 09 22:52:46 tried Aug 09 22:52:48 nothing :( Aug 09 22:52:49 "slider" Aug 09 22:53:11 TAsn: it was when i tried to implement volume slider Aug 09 22:53:24 i had pushed some commit accidentally to shr.git Aug 09 22:53:27 you can check timestamp Aug 09 22:54:04 nothing Aug 09 22:54:05 is it a good time to do a 'opkg upgrade'? :) Aug 09 22:54:06 oh Aug 09 22:54:08 ok Aug 09 22:54:12 15 Jul 2009 Aug 09 22:54:15 shr-unstable Aug 09 22:54:22 fredrin: no Aug 09 22:54:40 :) thanks, saved me some trouble then Aug 09 22:59:27 dos1, too many threads ;\ Aug 09 23:00:23 TAsn: ha! Aug 09 23:00:24 Jul 15 15:37:55 dos1: http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr2/ Aug 09 23:00:26 ;) Aug 09 23:00:34 :) Aug 09 23:01:33 dos1, has potential Aug 09 23:01:38 not that good in general though ;\ Aug 09 23:01:41 anyhow I"m off to bed Aug 09 23:01:44 please finish what youcan Aug 09 23:01:50 I'll add more info tomorrow Aug 09 23:01:57 and send a mail explaining what we need from the users Aug 09 23:02:05 and a blog post. Aug 09 23:02:11 night. Aug 09 23:03:11 night Aug 09 23:11:04 TAsn: ping? Aug 09 23:11:28 dos1, ? Aug 09 23:11:34 TAsn: refresh Aug 09 23:12:40 TAsn: http://www.alasal.be/openmoko/shr2/icons+drafts/ :) Aug 09 23:12:41 cool! Aug 09 23:12:45 though I didn't quite get Aug 09 23:12:49 what you did in Aug 09 23:12:53 messages Aug 09 23:13:45 dos1, ok, though far from perfect :) Aug 09 23:13:51 (the icons) Aug 09 23:13:59 anyhow, I'm really off to bed Aug 09 23:14:03 TAsn: but similar to shr-icons Aug 09 23:14:05 thanks a lot for your cooperation Aug 09 23:14:18 I'll send a mail tomorrow Aug 09 23:14:22 TAsn: so it can be used as base for making new icons Aug 09 23:14:23 with a bit of explenations Aug 09 23:14:25 as you wanted ;) Aug 09 23:14:28 TAsn: about messages Aug 09 23:14:29 dos1, :) Aug 09 23:14:34 TAsn: i mean error handling Aug 09 23:14:51 TAsn: when error happens, window like this should pop-up with ability to retry Aug 09 23:14:58 so it's general Aug 09 23:15:02 I'll change the topic Aug 09 23:15:03 ok. Aug 09 23:16:04 ok, looks nice now :) Aug 09 23:17:01 anyhow, I'm off to bed Aug 09 23:17:13 dos1, http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/UI%20dbusfication <--- if you are bored, please add what you think Aug 09 23:17:20 I'm really going to bed this time Aug 09 23:17:30 dos1, thanks a lot for what you did in the phoneui page ;) Aug 09 23:17:36 no problem ;) Aug 09 23:24:37 i'm going to sleep to Aug 09 23:24:40 night Aug 09 23:30:49 good night Aug 09 23:31:02 and i'm just away now ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 10 02:59:57 2009