**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 12 02:59:57 2009 Aug 12 03:24:37 Is shr-unstable buildable at the moment? - my build has been dying on libfsoframeworkd Aug 12 03:24:40 "Too few arguments, method `FsoFramework.Logger.createFromKeyFile' does not take 2 arguments" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 12 05:26:18 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 12 05:28:14 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 12 05:32:06 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 12 05:34:16 2009 Aug 12 06:25:48 good morning Aug 12 06:35:35 morning methril Aug 12 06:35:41 but gotta work, bye :) Aug 12 06:39:35 i'm at work Aug 12 06:39:39 :) Aug 12 06:39:41 cu Aug 12 07:16:08 ok, new image is much better :-) Aug 12 07:22:41 DocScrutinizer: you're sarcasm detector needs tuning ;) Aug 12 07:23:36 for gta01 too Aug 12 07:23:37 ? Aug 12 07:23:42 i see some bugs Aug 12 07:40:59 methril|work, still building (gta01) Aug 12 07:41:59 mrmoku: when i've a working image in OE dev i send the patches to the ml Aug 12 07:44:30 methril|work, good Aug 12 07:58:22 morning Aug 12 07:59:10 morning mickeyl Aug 12 08:04:59 mickeyl, hey :-D Aug 12 08:06:06 how's mergin to oe.dev going? Aug 12 08:06:34 mickeyl, methril|work is working on that front Aug 12 08:06:41 ah, good Aug 12 08:06:55 I was struggling with building Aug 12 08:08:07 mickeyl, and would have some question :P Aug 12 08:08:29 mickeyl, SRCPV does not work when a package is *not* on AUTOREV? Aug 12 08:09:19 i don't know much about SRCPV, but afaik SRCPV adds the number of revisions into the PV all the time, that's how it differs from SRCREV Aug 12 08:09:49 mickeyl, it does not do it if you set a fixed rev for a package Aug 12 08:09:58 then it's broken Aug 12 08:10:01 it used to do that Aug 12 08:10:14 yeah, thought that too... Aug 12 08:10:19 the other question Aug 12 08:10:31 task-fso-compliance or task-fso2-compliance Aug 12 08:10:36 both do not fit ;) Aug 12 08:10:41 in how farß Aug 12 08:10:42 ? Aug 12 08:10:57 fso2 has stuff in it that does not (yet) build Aug 12 08:11:06 and fso is missing new stuff (like fso-abyss) Aug 12 08:11:17 hmm Aug 12 08:11:22 task-fso2-compliance builds in .dev Aug 12 08:11:45 fsodeviced? fsonetworkd? Aug 12 08:12:03 yeah Aug 12 08:12:13 fso-abyss should not be in the task Aug 12 08:12:15 okay, will retry then and check for differences Aug 12 08:12:26 but rather RRECOMMENDED or RDEPENDED by frameworkd Aug 12 08:12:32 it is that Aug 12 08:12:39 but it does not get included in the image then Aug 12 08:12:40 hmm Aug 12 08:13:31 RDEPENDS should include it Aug 12 08:13:34 for sure Aug 12 08:14:24 mickeyl, RDEPENDS_${PN}_append_om-gta02 = " fso-abyss" Aug 12 08:14:31 is what we have in frameworkd-config-shr Aug 12 08:14:44 (which leads me to another question...) Aug 12 08:14:59 does it make any sense we have that package in the first place? Aug 12 08:15:46 that depends Aug 12 08:16:16 a distro might want to have a special configuration Aug 12 08:16:22 like, moving logs to a certain place or so Aug 12 08:16:28 or disabling/enabling certain services Aug 12 08:16:51 plus, the config is ARCH = ALL Aug 12 08:16:58 mickeyl, no Aug 12 08:16:59 so it makes sense to seperate it from the main package Aug 12 08:17:05 arr Aug 12 08:17:08 vice versa of course Aug 12 08:17:27 mickeyl, PACKAGE_ARCH_${PN}-config = "${MACHINE_ARCH}" Aug 12 08:17:29 ahh, ok :) Aug 12 08:18:21 i've read some fuzz about fsousaged bugs in the backlog, can someone summarize the problem? Aug 12 08:18:37 libfsobasics changed logger semanthics Aug 12 08:18:46 and libfsoframework needs adjusting Aug 12 08:18:58 fsousaged not working is just a consequence of that Aug 12 08:19:09 Hey there Aug 12 08:19:41 Ainulindale, new gta01 image to test for you Aug 12 08:20:15 Yeah but sadly I won't be able until tonight Aug 12 08:20:18 I forgot it this morning Aug 12 08:20:21 (although I took my lunch) Aug 12 08:20:23 (see my priorities) Aug 12 08:20:33 ok, i have 2 hours now, will look into Aug 12 08:20:50 mickeyl: how's life by the way? Aug 12 08:21:27 Did I tell you that Sabine is very nice (both -looking and as in -funny)? Aug 12 08:21:29 Ainulindale: heya! pretty good, i managed to spend some more time away from the computer :)) Aug 12 08:21:54 Ainulindale: hehe, not yet. thanks, i'm glad she exists, yeah Aug 12 08:22:03 Good :-) Aug 12 08:22:05 mickeyl, thanks :D Aug 12 08:22:19 mickeyl: and among other thing Aug 12 08:22:31 khorben, Louis Montagne & al are at HAR today Aug 12 08:22:37 IIRC Harald & Daniel will be there too Aug 12 08:22:44 If you have things to ask them to talk about :-) Aug 12 08:22:50 (I specifically asked them to talk about HTC) Aug 12 08:22:59 And torture Daniel until he speaks Aug 12 08:23:14 right. Daniel will show progress on the G1, i think Aug 12 08:23:49 we already surpassed the Touch Pro since G1 manages phone audio Aug 12 08:24:01 (the baseband processor, that is) Aug 12 08:26:02 mickeyl: kiss me already :-) Aug 12 08:26:36 d'oh :) Aug 12 08:28:19 actually, i think all of the guys are there but me Aug 12 08:30:29 Heinervdm, ping - you saw my mail about elmdentica? Aug 12 08:31:10 mrmoku: yes Aug 12 08:31:34 i looked for every ticked at the feed but for this :D Aug 12 08:46:44 mickeyl, ahh, and then there are rumours that fsousaged brought back the 'does not suspend after resume without screen tap' bug Aug 12 08:49:14 oh Aug 12 08:49:25 ok, i need to check whether we set busy after resume as we did in fso1 Aug 12 08:50:36 :) Aug 12 08:52:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb241178fa679 10/libfsobasics/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libfsobasics: move prefixForExecutable from libfsoframework to here and add test for it Aug 12 08:53:56 mickeyl: did you do a rerun of generate-manifest-2.6.py, because i patched only the script :) Aug 12 08:56:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r216dc62912ef 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/utilities.vala: libfsobasics: utilities: cache program name result Aug 12 08:56:25 Heinervdm: sure Aug 12 08:56:47 recipes/python/python-2.6-manifest.inc | 99 ++++++++++++++++--------------- Aug 12 09:00:14 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra00d9675034c 10/libfsoframework/ (5 files in 2 dirs): libfsoframework: catch up with new createLogger syntax Aug 12 09:02:34 mrmoku: is this the one simple patch your users needed so badly for ~4 days? ;) http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=commitdiff;h=a00d9675034cddc0575b31964e30d10e016e859d Aug 12 09:03:22 PaulFertser, yep Aug 12 09:03:29 mrmoku: then you have to pick the new version of recipes/python/python-2.6-manifest.inc for shr/import to close #549 ;) Aug 12 09:03:51 * mrmoku looks what is #549 Aug 12 09:04:25 mrmoku: python package requests Aug 12 09:04:37 hmm.. ok Aug 12 09:06:37 wait a bit longer Aug 12 09:06:47 there's some broken merges Aug 12 09:06:55 need to add more to python Aug 12 09:24:22 mickeyl: it forgets to put in oe.dev girepository.bbcalss Aug 12 09:24:29 s/it/you Aug 12 09:24:41 i don't like that being seperate Aug 12 09:24:52 for now i added what it does to vala.bbclass Aug 12 09:25:03 it can stay there until we see non-vala GIR stuff Aug 12 09:25:14 ok, then i remove it from my local repo and i redo libmodulo & other class Aug 12 09:25:47 thanks Aug 12 09:25:57 you're wellcom Aug 12 09:26:02 wellcome Aug 12 09:27:00 mrmoku: you were right btw., task-fso2-compliance didn't build at all until now. not sure which branch i thought i'd build *shrug* Aug 12 09:31:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * recb54c57f8f5 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/transport.vala: libfsotransport: catch up with new logger API Aug 12 09:33:41 hi mickeyl Aug 12 09:34:10 I'm trying to get FSO working on h:1, and I may have some questions for you Aug 12 09:34:15 hi Deubeuliou, thanks for the bugreport. the problem is that for Vala projects, dist indeed depends on all Aug 12 09:34:40 ah, yeah. Aug 12 09:34:45 not necessarily all though Aug 12 09:34:50 the #vala guys told me there was a solution Aug 12 09:34:52 but at least on the target that generates the .c and .h Aug 12 09:34:58 what did they say? Aug 12 09:35:27 is was not very clear to me, but they say the makefiles should use $topdir and stuff like thta Aug 12 09:35:44 sorry, it's vague Aug 12 09:35:48 hmm Aug 12 09:35:54 let me try 'make dist' on vala itself Aug 12 09:36:50 btw, I managed to get ogsmd running on h:1 several times, but now it fails: ogsmd gets no response from fso-abyss (timeout) Aug 12 09:37:07 as far as I can see, mdbus sees the buses and fso-abyss starts Aug 12 09:37:47 http://pastebin.com/d6ab04835 Aug 12 09:38:14 sounds like the system activation does not work for you Aug 12 09:38:15 (I'm using SHR's /etc/frameworkd.conf) Aug 12 09:38:41 do you have all the necessary dbus conf files installed? Aug 12 09:38:56 I think so. but I may have too many Aug 12 09:38:58 for system activation you need one in /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/ iirc Aug 12 09:39:07 I have org.freesmartphone.omuxerd and .ogsmd Aug 12 09:39:15 both starting fso-abyss Aug 12 09:39:48 omuxerd is ok Aug 12 09:40:06 I remove ogsmd, and it's the same Aug 12 09:40:16 (ogsmd's .service file, I mean) Aug 12 09:41:32 does it work, when you manually start fso-abyss first? Aug 12 09:42:33 no Aug 12 09:43:33 mickeyl: one question about one recipes/python --> python-phoneutils, are you planning to add it to OE.dev? Aug 12 09:43:42 maybe I could try wit gsm0710muxerd Aug 12 09:44:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd751bb0cf4eb 10/ (5 files in 5 dirs): all: catch up with new logging API Aug 12 09:44:42 nah, don't mess with the old thing Aug 12 09:45:00 ok :p Aug 12 09:45:09 if fso-abyss doesn't work on manual start, that's the first thing you need to check Aug 12 09:45:10 TAsn: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/555 this is done, isn't it? Aug 12 09:45:14 how does it fail? Aug 12 09:45:19 try using cli-framework to talk with it Aug 12 09:45:52 Heinervdm, thinks so, yeah Aug 12 09:45:55 -s Aug 12 09:46:18 methril|work: absolutely, yeah Aug 12 09:46:51 commited Aug 12 09:47:20 I get ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on org.freesmartphone.DBus:/org/freesmartphone/DBus: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.DBus was not provided by any .service files Aug 12 09:47:25 when I start cli-framework Aug 12 09:47:41 you are missing dbus-hlid, but that should not hurt too much Aug 12 09:48:02 you should be able to call stuff on the 'muxer' object from cli-framework Aug 12 09:48:07 simplest call would be Aug 12 09:48:21 >>> muxer.GetVersion() Aug 12 09:48:21 '0.2.1' Aug 12 09:49:29 ok, I think I found the problem Aug 12 09:49:41 I had that one before but not with the same symptoms Aug 12 09:49:45 DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Cannot launch daemon, file not found or permissions invalid Aug 12 09:49:50 Aha Aug 12 09:49:58 so system activation does not work Aug 12 09:49:59 that's a /usr/lib/dbus-1/dbus-... permission problem Aug 12 09:50:18 I know how to fix it but it seems alright, this time, though ... Aug 12 09:50:25 system activation is a pain to setup Aug 12 09:50:45 i know my way on OE, but debian way might be different Aug 12 09:51:22 I'll find Aug 12 09:51:24 thanks Aug 12 09:51:27 np Aug 12 09:51:34 mrmoku: NOTE: Running task 2554 of 2554 (ID: 0, /local/pkg/oe/openembedded/recipes/tasks/task-fso2-compliance.bb, do_build) Aug 12 09:51:35 *phew* Aug 12 09:51:53 i'll be doing more changes to the logger API, but will remember to fix all users next time Aug 12 09:52:01 sorry for the trouble Aug 12 09:52:49 mickeyl, np :) Aug 12 09:57:51 some brave shr-unstable user around? Aug 12 09:59:00 mrmoku: i'm on your testimage from yesterday Aug 12 10:00:11 Heinervdm, hmm, need someone to check upgrade on shr-unstable :) Aug 12 10:00:29 Heinervdm, you still have no ringtone, right? Aug 12 10:00:34 yes Aug 12 10:00:41 upgrade from 8.8? Aug 12 10:01:01 Heinervdm, try update on shr-testing then Aug 12 10:01:09 you have to adjust the feed config though Aug 12 10:01:14 ok Aug 12 10:01:25 to point to tests/mrmoku/testing/feed Aug 12 10:01:35 should be fixed then Aug 12 10:20:23 mickeyl: I may have found a cause to the problem Aug 12 10:20:28 fso-abyss segfaults Aug 12 10:20:40 I launched fso-abyss, then framerworkd Aug 12 10:20:46 and I saw fso-abyss segfaulting Aug 12 10:21:39 ouuuuch Aug 12 10:23:10 DocScrutinizer: morning Aug 12 10:23:14 mickeyl, hi, will you be free this october to give talk? :) Aug 12 10:23:15 * DocScrutinizer kicks C for its missing runtime boundry and reference checks Aug 12 10:23:20 *talks* Aug 12 10:23:27 PaulFertser: mooo Aug 12 10:23:58 mrmoku: my FR crashed on upgrade, so my installition is probably broken Aug 12 10:24:09 DocScrutinizer: little question: so should we somehow mention on the wiki that the user should control battery temperature himself in some reasonable way (not charge while the device exposed to the direct sunlight beams e.g.)? Aug 12 10:24:10 Heinervdm, ouch Aug 12 10:24:22 Heinervdm, any hint on why it crashed? Aug 12 10:25:02 PaulFertser: can't cause any damage to do so. I vote for it Aug 12 10:25:28 mrmoku: no last line over ssh was "Configuring shr-splash-theme-simple", then no reaction on touchscreen and network was down too Aug 12 10:25:43 DocScrutinizer: and i guess we should remove mis-information about an internal temperature protection too. Aug 12 10:26:17 PaulFertser: not as a warning, rather in form of a recommendation to have prolonged bat-live Aug 12 10:26:17 DocScrutinizer: it's puzzling why those smart chip don't have an option to monitor the temperature... Aug 12 10:26:33 yup Aug 12 10:28:26 DocScrutinizer: hm... I really wonder if it might explode or not being charged 0.7A warmed up to ~70C. Aug 12 10:28:38 PaulFertser: well I guess on ~120C the polyfuse trips at <100mA, but anyway. Correct is we don't have decent overtemp control. also a fact is bat never heats when treated nicely. so we just make sure we don't heat it from external source Aug 12 10:28:41 Sup3rkiddo: i'm not sure yet, since we are on holidays somewhere between september and october. where and when would that be? Aug 12 10:29:13 PaulFertser: no, never will explode at that treatment Aug 12 10:29:39 DocScrutinizer: any prooflink? ;) Aug 12 10:29:45 mickeyl, Chennai, IITM Aug 12 10:29:56 own experience ;-) Aug 12 10:30:04 mickeyl, they have a tech festival that is pretty famous in India.. Aug 12 10:30:32 mickeyl, I talked about FSO last year, it would be great if you could come down and talk about it Aug 12 10:31:03 Sup3rkiddo: do you have the exact dates yet? Aug 12 10:31:16 mrmoku: The XServer doesn't start anymore and SSH isn't working too, so i can't test Aug 12 10:31:50 mickeyl, September 30 - Oct 4 Aug 12 10:33:17 any alsa expert here? Aug 12 10:33:21 Heinervdm, double ouch Aug 12 10:33:22 mrmoku: please ping me as soon as "don't upgrade" warning becomes obsolete :-) Aug 12 10:33:30 Sup3rkiddo: bummer, i'm afraid that is completely covered by our vacations :( Aug 12 10:33:53 mickeyl, awwww.................... Aug 12 10:33:53 emmentaler: shoot Aug 12 10:33:53 iirc we're away two weeks from 21th of Sept Aug 12 10:34:15 emmentaler: not that I'm an expert ;-) Aug 12 10:34:26 i had loved to come over, but my wife would kill me if i'd cancel our yearly vacation Aug 12 10:34:40 ok.. i am doing this ATM... record (mic -> speex_encoding -> fifobuffer) play( fifobuffer -> speex_decoding -> play) .. in a select loop Aug 12 10:34:59 now i am getting ugly gaps.. see http://yfrog.com/03audacityinterruptionsp Aug 12 10:35:10 hmm Aug 12 10:35:11 mickeyl: muxer.OpenSession(False, 98, "/dev/ttySAC0", 115200) make fso-abyss segfault Aug 12 10:35:29 but not muxer.GetVersion() Aug 12 10:35:45 counting the time inside functions show that recording and playing takes 1-3ms .. but between playing and recording is a gap.. so select-loop just does nothing Aug 12 10:35:49 mickeyl, aw.. shucks.. India is a great place to vacation btw :P... Aug 12 10:35:57 Deubeuliou: ok, i will take a look later today, thanks. Aug 12 10:36:06 anyone else want to come over? Aug 12 10:36:31 (SetStatus makes it segfault too) Aug 12 10:36:42 might be interesting to ask the fso guys, they're on HAR this week thougth Aug 12 10:36:45 I don't see why, however ... it used to work Aug 12 10:36:56 i might have broken it, will check after dinner Aug 12 10:37:01 errr, lunch, that is Aug 12 10:37:15 mickey|lunch, okie Aug 12 10:40:13 DocScrutinizer any idea what cound be behind this? putting alsa into non_blocking mode makes no difference .. SND_PCM_NONBLOCK or SND_PCM_ASYNC makes no difference Aug 12 10:40:26 emmentaler: I think you have problems to read out sample buffer at recording correctly. Aug 12 10:45:45 hmm i dont think..i am confused that this works without interrupts when I just remove the speex-stuff.. Aug 12 10:46:13 emmentaler: maybe a look at http://www.sfr-fresh.com/unix/privat/twinkle-1.4.2.tar.gz:a/twinkle-1.4.2/src/audio/audio_device.cpp code helps spot your problems Aug 12 10:47:12 emmentaler: reading out audio *realtime* is a bit of tricky Aug 12 10:47:40 yes.. this problem drives me nuts since a couple weeks.. Aug 12 10:47:46 mickey|lunch, ok, my bad.. will you be able to do a video conference.. a couple of hours will do.. they had Guido last year :D.... please ping back once your return.. thanks Aug 12 10:49:30 emmentaler: also it depends on the particular hw you are using for recording, and the driver that is servicing this hw. At twinkle We seen lots of problems with e.g. bluetooth for mic Aug 12 10:49:47 emmentaler: see http://osdir.com/ml/voip.twinkle/2008-02/msg00158.html ff Aug 12 10:52:06 emmentaler: probably the speex thread increases your irq-service-rersponse-time, so you see buffer overruns and thus get the dropouts Aug 12 10:53:32 hmm.. i am plotting the device statuses pretty often so i would see if a buffer overrun ocurrs.. also implemented handling of buffer overruns.. Aug 12 10:53:38 emmentaler: first of all you may fiddle with the size and number of buffers you use for recording. This may help though not radically fix he issue Aug 12 10:54:04 strange Aug 12 10:54:28 so it might be a problem of the particular audo-hw driver you are using Aug 12 10:54:43 (alsa that is) Aug 12 10:55:05 ok.. but then alsa without speex should also cause problems.. not? Aug 12 10:55:21 seen this many times, and most of them went away when updating to next new alsa-revision ;-) Aug 12 10:55:37 dsp -> works, dsp with speex -> works, alsa -> works, alsa with speex -> does not work Aug 12 10:55:47 emmentaler: no, that depends on so many race conditions and cpu-load situation Aug 12 10:56:09 dsp alsa compatibility layer? Aug 12 10:56:27 also tried.. did not work on moko.. Aug 12 10:56:46 which hw you do your tests on? Aug 12 10:57:15 eeepc 1000H and sblive... Aug 12 10:58:00 hmmm, so if you say dsp works, which kind of /dev/dsp is this then? I assume thats alsa OSS compatibility lib Aug 12 10:58:35 yes.. alsa-oss on these computers work.. but on moko it does not work Aug 12 10:58:37 if so I assume your generic alsa recording code is lakey Aug 12 10:59:04 on mko we miss the lib for now it seems Aug 12 10:59:25 anyway on moko OSS is strongly deprecated anyway Aug 12 11:00:13 read http://www.sfr-fresh.com/unix/privat/twinkle-1.4.2.tar.gz:a/twinkle-1.4.2/src/audio/audio_device.cpp, check your code. That's all I have for (not so good) advice Aug 12 11:00:18 yes.. but it was pretty fast developing this to get audio input.. (other devs were waiting for audio) Aug 12 11:01:28 thank you.. this is the first time i could talk about this problem.. chats with alsa devs werent very productive.. Aug 12 11:02:07 reatime audio is something like voodoo.. here stops the "exact science" Aug 12 11:02:18 yes, my experience is exactly same wrt alsadevels Aug 12 11:04:36 emmentaler: I found it's often better to use plughw or even dsnoop for input, rather than plain hw:0.0 Aug 12 11:05:12 just another anecdote to share, dunno if it may help for your issue Aug 12 11:05:30 i am still using plughw Aug 12 11:05:40 will now try just hw:0.0 .. Aug 12 11:06:20 my main problem ist.. how do i find out what causes this delay.. since try/error changing the alsa params does not work.. Aug 12 11:06:55 when plotting the times i find that there is a gap between play() and record() Aug 12 11:07:19 so while playing record is not able to get data? hmm.. Aug 12 11:08:09 emmentaler: you know you need separate threads to service record and play? Aug 12 11:08:51 threads? you mean streams.. Aug 12 11:09:40 well, let me put it this way: you mustn't service record and playback in same loop of code Aug 12 11:10:16 * emmentaler is confused.. Aug 12 11:11:44 while true; record(buffer B); playback(buffer B); endwhile; Aug 12 11:11:50 won't pan out Aug 12 11:15:33 but: while true; select(audioout,audioin); if audioin_ready (record()); if audioout_ready(play()) Aug 12 11:17:18 you see the problem? Aug 12 11:20:30 no... basically we have two ringbuffers.. input and output .. all we do with this is read from input and put that into output.. als long as we do this fast enought that no buffer underruns/overruns this works.. our computers are fast enough to "copy" the data that it "plays" the data.. Aug 12 11:22:34 or am i completely wrong? Aug 12 11:25:02 in theory yes. in RL you are just one task of may that gets a timeslice from central arbiter/scheduler every now and then, and calls to bool audioin_ready are NOT zero return time, even might block (though they shouldn't of course). As may play Aug 12 11:27:10 well, as I told, I'm not an expert. I just can advice you to read the audio_device.cpp code of twinkle (plus the way it's used in overlaying modules), and try to learn about the nasties of alsa by doing so Aug 12 11:30:28 ok.. thank you for your help.. will now compyre twinkles implementation and my impl. but now is lunchtime.. Aug 12 11:33:19 emmentaler: to explain a little better: bool audioin_ready may include a hw-access to physical ringbuffer. Depending on actual audio-hw this ringbuffer may live in a remote headset coupled to your machine via BT or USB. So this function may take quite some time, or even fail completely Aug 12 11:38:05 that's reason to have concurrent threads to service record and play independently Aug 12 11:41:30 this dolds true even more if you insert a coding/decoding stage like e.g. speex between record and play Aug 12 11:41:43 s/ do/ ho/ Aug 12 11:41:43 DocScrutinizer meant: this holds true even more if you insert a coding/decoding stage like e.g. speex between record and play Aug 12 11:42:41 you need double/multiple local buffering then Aug 12 11:43:35 i.e speex needs a third own thread Aug 12 11:44:00 and you need pies between those three threads Aug 12 11:44:05 pipes Aug 12 12:00:13 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * ra7168385442f 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/ (10 files in 2 dirs): elementary-theme-niebiee: slider and radio theme, initial work on genlist theme, little changes in list and clock themes Aug 12 12:05:03 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r346347487f63 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/TODO: elementary-theme-niebiee: update TODO Aug 12 12:05:17 Mirv: if you're around, might you be able to try running the KMS Xorg driver under GDB and get a backtrace? i'm really struggling to find what's wrong, and wondering if it's the same for other people Aug 12 12:08:06 emmentaler: you also could follow a async concept (which I'd recommend. See http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/group___p_c_m.html#g0d343597cdce35871a5010b6e6d5535b). Still you need more than one buffer and some pipe-alike implementation for those buffers Aug 12 12:08:43 mrmoku: upgrade worked on shr-unstable 08.08. Aug 12 12:09:15 Heinervdm, and I can reproduce the update problem on testing :( Aug 12 12:15:04 mrmoku: perhaps it doesn't work... it does not register to GSM Aug 12 12:17:19 mrmoku: http://shr.pastebin.com/m24de2fce Aug 12 12:17:44 Heinervdm: do you say it's safe now to run "opkg upgrade" on a 88-image? :-)) Aug 12 12:17:52 DocScrutinizer: no Aug 12 12:18:17 DocScrutinizer: For me it does not register to GSM Aug 12 12:18:34 yep, that's the old error still Aug 12 12:18:57 DocScrutinizer: looked at the pastebin? Aug 12 12:19:08 nope. which one? Aug 12 12:19:17 DocScrutinizer: http://shr.pastebin.com/m24de2fce Aug 12 12:19:28 i have no logs from the old error Aug 12 12:21:40 Deubeuliou, ping Aug 12 12:21:44 Deubeuliou, is dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus) Aug 12 12:21:50 what you see with fso-abyss? Aug 12 12:22:10 yepyep, when I accidentally did a "opkg install fso-abyss" 2 days ago, it borjked ogsmd for me as well. I replaced abyss, libfsobasics and libfsotransport back to original and it seems to be fixed Aug 12 12:24:29 * DocScrutinizer wonders how he could ask stupid questions like "which pastebin"... hmmm Aug 12 12:25:33 prolly becuase I look at N810 kbd when typing, and not at screen ;-) Aug 12 12:27:26 :) Aug 12 12:33:06 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rd6a01ef0affc 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/images/ (check_off.png check_on.png radio_off.png radio_on.png): elementary-theme-niebiee: fix radio and checkbox graphics to look good on x11-16 Aug 12 12:37:56 mrmoku: yes Aug 12 12:38:07 bu Ainu told me it was the same on SHR-unstable Aug 12 12:38:21 I'll try -testing as soon as I get those FRs sorted Aug 12 12:39:00 Deubeuliou, any idea yet where that could come from? Aug 12 12:39:15 fso-abyss broken, most likely Aug 12 12:39:35 until rev 67, probably Aug 12 13:03:55 Hello,,,,can I set a 'VISIBLE - BIG ' clock on mainscreen in SHR? Aug 12 13:04:13 how do I have to configure? Aug 12 13:04:24 Heinervdm, do you have /etc/abyss.conf? and what does it contain? Aug 12 13:04:32 (on shr-unstable) Aug 12 13:05:04 mrmoku: http://shr.pastebin.com/m6b93a9ce Aug 12 13:05:12 I didn't recover /etc/abyss.conf Aug 12 13:05:49 though I didn't check if it changed by "opkg install fso-abyss" Aug 12 13:06:18 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r1a9740bf9031 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/images/ (bubble_1.png bubble_2.png bubble_3.png bubble_4.png): elementary-theme-niebiee: now bubbles are also blue ;) Aug 12 13:07:21 anyway works now, after recovering/restoring abyss ELF, libfsobasics.so, libfsotransport.so Aug 12 13:07:26 Heinervdm, ok, looks sane Aug 12 13:09:48 abyss exe in 88 tarball is quite some months lder than the one that got installed by "opkg install", and it's some bytes off in filesize as well Aug 12 13:10:45 the libs are only a few hours apart from their newer non-funct versions Aug 12 13:11:49 though I can't tell for sure those libs or abyss is the non-funct borked part. I restored all three from original 88-tarball and it seems to fix the issue Aug 12 13:12:22 * mrmoku has some theory... Aug 12 13:12:44 TAsn: commit for you: Aug 12 13:12:52 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r8727734c6e15 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/images/ (bubble_2.png bubble_4.png): elementary-theme-niebiee: make right-sided bubbles little darker Aug 12 13:14:06 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r2162a43c2ba9 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/TODO: elementary-theme-niebiee: update TODO Aug 12 13:14:31 dos1: make right-sided boobies look better Aug 12 13:14:43 dos1: oh, there's none? Then add them! Aug 12 13:14:57 NOOOOooOO dos1 will make blue boobies then :P Aug 12 13:15:28 mrmoku: wtf? is he some kind of bdsm activist? Aug 12 13:15:40 PaulFertser, no, but he loves blue ;) Aug 12 13:16:00 mrmoku: blue sky, i assume? ;) Aug 12 13:16:18 PaulFertser, nahh... look at his theme... its more like blue everything :P Aug 12 13:16:42 name of theme: "niebiee" Aug 12 13:16:46 blue in polish: "niebieski" Aug 12 13:16:48 ;) Aug 12 13:17:36 anyway, bbl Aug 12 13:17:44 dos1: that sounds like some swearing word in russian Aug 12 13:18:09 * DocScrutinizer wishes, dos1 would reduce size of (almost) useless topbar of terminal kbd in some theme Aug 12 13:18:17 dos1|away: you theme name will be interpreted as "don't fuck" Aug 12 13:18:52 PaulFertser: sounds like a good naming then ;-D Aug 12 13:20:01 DocScrutinizer: i'd prefer "zaibiees" -- that'd sound like "ever'thing's fucking cool" Aug 12 13:23:50 Heinervdm, could you try to upgrade again and see if fso-abyss works now? Aug 12 13:23:57 ok Aug 12 13:24:48 * mrmoku is crossing fingers Aug 12 13:31:59 mrmoku: no, same error as before Aug 12 13:32:03 shit Aug 12 14:53:12 hello Aug 12 14:53:25 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rf097e2af1aeb 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/niebiee.edc: elementary-theme-niebiee: more work on genlist Aug 12 14:55:34 im in trouble with the newest shr unstable version.. most of the applications won't start, because of missing python-codecs, but it's installed Aug 12 14:57:07 error log: Aug 12 14:57:10 http://pastebin.com/m4c7790be Aug 12 14:59:38 can anyone help? Aug 12 15:00:17 also "opkg" doesn't exist, instead "opkg-cl".. dont know why Aug 12 15:00:52 did you use the latest image or use 'opkg upgrade'? Aug 12 15:01:08 latest image Aug 12 15:01:37 first i tried opkg upgrade, but the freerunner wasnt starting anymore Aug 12 15:02:01 im having lunch right now, ill be back in 45 minutes.. Aug 12 15:02:08 bye Aug 12 15:02:15 I just went through that myself and discovered that its currently broken - see the TOPIC for this channel... Aug 12 15:06:39 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rbfbc9fbe546c 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/niebiee.edc: elementary-theme-niebiee: little fine-tuning of pager Aug 12 15:06:40 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r9085d4707e12 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/niebiee.edc: elementary-theme-niebiee: fix gradient on very small frames Aug 12 15:16:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * rde2f0448f851 10/gsm0710mux/ (channel.vala consts.vala manager.vala multiplexer.vala): libgsm0710mux: catch up with new logging API Aug 12 15:16:57 mickey|lunch, ahh, does that fix fso-abyss? Aug 12 15:16:59 mickeyl: fixing? ;) Aug 12 15:17:06 *nod* Aug 12 15:17:09 :) Aug 12 15:17:12 * mrmoku buildxs Aug 12 15:17:13 -x Aug 12 15:17:35 mickeyl: fsousaged is missing reseting idlenotifier on resume Aug 12 15:18:15 mickeyl: but we with DocScrutinizer thought about setting "busy" on resume from power button, and setting "idle" on resume with another reason Aug 12 15:18:25 mickeyl: what do you think about that? Aug 12 15:18:54 i fully agree with that Aug 12 15:20:08 mickeyl: nice :) Aug 12 15:20:45 i try to squeeze that in before weekend Aug 12 15:20:58 DocScrutinizer: ^^^ ;) Aug 12 15:26:08 yoh, already checked the state thing with mickeyl Aug 12 15:27:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r3ba357ca2536 10/gsm0710mux/multiplexer.vala: libgsm0710mux: fix SIGSEGV on shut down Aug 12 15:28:24 mickeyl, any more commits to expect soon? Aug 12 15:28:50 not today Aug 12 15:28:55 my work day has just ended Aug 12 15:29:00 preparing for sports Aug 12 15:29:18 ok :) will rebuild it again then Aug 12 15:29:29 mickeyl, thanks for fixing Aug 12 15:29:39 mickeyl: any more patches needed to put fso back to work? Aug 12 15:29:41 np Aug 12 15:29:44 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r8fc8c859d379 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/ (TODO niebiee.edc): elementary-theme-niebiee: genlist-tree theme Aug 12 15:29:49 i hope not Aug 12 15:29:55 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r92385a1b5830 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/TODO: elementary-theme-niebiee: update TODO Aug 12 15:30:29 great :-) Aug 12 15:30:39 btw. Aug 12 15:30:43 [kernel experts] Aug 12 15:30:57 is wakeup reason still using the same interface in those openwrt 2.6.3x Aug 12 15:30:59 ? Aug 12 15:32:45 openwrt?? Aug 12 15:33:06 ya, those new kernels Aug 12 15:33:20 no clue here Aug 12 15:33:22 from larsc, i think Aug 12 15:33:53 Heinervdm, still here? Aug 12 15:34:01 mrmoku: yes Aug 12 15:34:08 Heinervdm, building index now... Aug 12 15:34:15 ok Aug 12 15:34:16 than we have a better chance :) Aug 12 15:34:19 mrmoku: memememe Aug 12 15:34:23 s/than/then/ Aug 12 15:34:23 mrmoku meant: then we have a better chance :) Aug 12 15:34:39 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r24af911d9210 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/ (TODO niebiee.edc): elementary-theme-niebiee: genlist-doublelabel theme Aug 12 15:36:05 Heinervdm, ok, new abyss is in the feed Aug 12 15:36:51 Deubeuliou: please rebuild libgsm0710mux, which should fix your SIGSEGV Aug 12 15:38:45 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r3fe306769075 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/ (TODO niebiee.edc): elementary-theme-niebiee: genlist-doublelabel-tree theme Aug 12 15:39:15 and now last list theme: list-compress ;x Aug 12 15:39:30 now it looks like from ASU theme Aug 12 15:39:54 eeeeeeeeeek ASU Aug 12 15:40:52 mickeyl: ok Aug 12 15:41:00 DocMobilizer: that's why i want to change it :P Aug 12 15:41:37 and then only outdent_* themes for frames, clock, and icons Aug 12 15:41:47 and eventually bubbles to look better in x11-16 Aug 12 15:41:51 and theme is finished ;) Aug 12 15:44:47 dos1: hope it'll look as weird and crappy as I like it for my gui ;-) Aug 12 15:45:14 DocMobilizer: it's uberblue ;D Aug 12 15:45:23 so it's weird somehow ;) Aug 12 15:46:24 I might love it Aug 12 15:48:59 mrmoku: you say I should try "opkg install fso-abyss" onxe more? Aug 12 15:49:53 DocMobilizer, did not say that Aug 12 15:50:08 (at least not until Heinervdm tells me all is fine) Aug 12 15:50:33 k, so I wait... :-D Aug 12 15:50:55 ups didn't saw that build has finished, i'm updating now Aug 12 15:52:08 mrmoku: it's instaling libgsm0710mux0? Aug 12 15:52:30 yep Aug 12 15:52:40 thats the important thingie :) Aug 12 15:53:40 ok, /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart brings up ping Dialog Aug 12 15:54:36 that sounds like something good :-) Aug 12 15:55:00 now i'm rebooting, then i will check if calling is ok too Aug 12 15:55:17 cool Aug 12 15:56:16 hooray for mickey and his legendary bbq ;-D Aug 12 15:57:13 *cough* ;) Aug 12 15:58:48 mickey|sports: stop that activity in time, it might get dangerous in the long run Aug 12 15:58:50 mrmoku: incomming and outgoing calls are working and ringtone too Aug 12 15:59:29 :D Aug 12 15:59:32 woooooot Aug 12 16:00:37 let me confirm in 15min @home :-) Aug 12 16:01:46 nah, on second thought... Aug 12 16:02:22 * DocMobilizer switches to valaterm for a opkg update Aug 12 16:02:35 mrmoku: ok? Aug 12 16:02:52 DocMobilizer, well... looks like Aug 12 16:03:01 k Aug 12 16:03:02 * mrmoku refuses to take *any* responsibility though Aug 12 16:03:07 here we go Aug 12 16:03:27 interesting to see how GPRS behaves when fso-abyss gets updated... Aug 12 16:04:26 worked fine last time Aug 12 16:04:56 otherwise you'll be DOOOOMED ;-D Aug 12 16:05:22 so opkg upgrade is now safe? Aug 12 16:05:23 :) Aug 12 16:05:55 mrmoku: i'll give you elementary-theme-niebiee recipe today ;) Aug 12 16:06:24 dos1: eval in progress Aug 12 16:09:03 hehe, that theme reminds me song: Eiffel 65 - I'm blue ;D Aug 12 16:10:17 i'm still here - now reboot. hope to cya iab Aug 12 16:11:57 DocMobilizer: did you backup? :P Aug 12 16:12:03 im back Aug 12 16:12:04 (or libs) Aug 12 16:12:08 s/or/of/ Aug 12 16:12:08 dos1 meant: (of libs) Aug 12 16:13:38 okay, does anyone have an idea, why my python apps dont start anymore? Aug 12 16:13:46 http://pastebin.com/m4c7790be Aug 12 16:14:38 who broke python-codecs? Aug 12 16:14:42 ;x Aug 12 16:15:13 (that's good i don't upgrade for some time, to have something to test with shr-installer ;x) Aug 12 16:16:29 dunno who brokes it, everything that interests me, is who will fix it? :D Aug 12 16:18:05 Heinervdm: what can you say about that? :P Aug 12 16:18:06 ;) Aug 12 16:18:24 dos1: can't see sth like that Aug 12 16:18:50 shr-settings is working Aug 12 16:18:51 ok Aug 12 16:19:13 first person who said on maillist that fsousaged issue is fixed Aug 12 16:19:22 so i think we can: Aug 12 16:20:13 opkg upgrade works? Aug 12 16:20:35 dos1: as far as i know, mrmoku hasn't recompiled python Aug 12 16:20:58 ooooooook, it's getting dark in a short while, I do a forst consultation of my bat army squad leader (target munich) Aug 12 16:21:00 i'll wait for few other success reports before removing that on #openmoko, as on #openmoko there are more noobs who are not able to fix their systems ;p Aug 12 16:22:01 im a noob too :D Aug 12 16:22:28 haha, so i can try 'opkg-cl upgrade' now? Aug 12 16:22:45 "opkg update; opkg install fso-abyss", reboot, no more PINauth-screen, no suspend :-( Aug 12 16:23:14 knutmithut: I'd postpone that for a day Aug 12 16:23:28 DocScrutinizer: what about other libraries? Aug 12 16:23:37 I can give it a shot; I haven't upgraded since late June; am I correct that I need to do: Aug 12 16:23:37 opkg install opkg libopkg0 Aug 12 16:23:37 before doing opkg upgrade? Aug 12 16:23:37 huh? Aug 12 16:23:41 mhh okay.. but what is with python-encoding? Aug 12 16:23:49 DocScrutinizer: i don't know if opkg is smart enough to upgrade all depending packages ;x Aug 12 16:23:55 DocScrutinizer: look at opkg list_upgradable Aug 12 16:24:00 knutmithut: that package hasn't changed since weeks Aug 12 16:24:16 net_tux: late june? then yes Aug 12 16:24:21 mhh.. what else could it be? Aug 12 16:24:30 net_tux: and for savety turn off frameworkd and xserver-nodm before upgrade Aug 12 16:24:40 it upgraded libfsobasics, libfsotransport, and libgsm0710mux Aug 12 16:24:55 ok - I always stop everything possible to free up RAM before upgrading Aug 12 16:25:03 DocScrutinizer: libgsm0710mux-config too? Aug 12 16:25:05 net_tux: then ok Aug 12 16:25:18 DocScrutinizer: check list_upgradable ;x Aug 12 16:25:19 dunno, Aug 12 16:25:31 ah autosuspend and blank screen doesnt work, too Aug 12 16:25:46 dos1: you think I can do that now that my GSM is borked? Aug 12 16:26:02 DocScrutinizer: hmm? why not? Aug 12 16:26:13 internet access Aug 12 16:26:26 DocScrutinizer: list_upgradable doesn't need internet access ... Aug 12 16:26:31 k Aug 12 16:27:01 dos1, it is already fixed Aug 12 16:27:07 2. boot after upgrade and Pin auth is working Aug 12 16:27:13 so no problems here Aug 12 16:27:42 anyway... me off for dinner Aug 12 16:27:45 bbiab Aug 12 16:27:45 anyway if opkg missed mandatory packages to upgrade, then it's prolly fault of missing dependencies, not opkg's Aug 12 16:28:11 Heinervdm: k, I'll reboot Aug 12 16:28:59 <\marco> hi to all Aug 12 16:29:33 <\marco> I've flashed the last shr image & kernel but.. gsm is not working Aug 12 16:29:42 <\marco> (process:1486): DEBUG: GSM not available, try again in 5s Aug 12 16:30:07 \marco: image from 8.8. ? Aug 12 16:30:11 <\marco> yep Aug 12 16:30:22 without opkg upgrade? Aug 12 16:30:29 \marco: did you upgrade? Aug 12 16:30:30 <\marco> without Aug 12 16:30:35 hmmm Aug 12 16:30:36 <\marco> now I've upgrade Aug 12 16:30:45 <\marco> but same problema Aug 12 16:30:48 <\marco> *problem Aug 12 16:30:49 now you're doomed ;-D Aug 12 16:30:53 <\marco> oh yeahh! Aug 12 16:30:54 <\marco> :D Aug 12 16:31:01 <\marco> ok.. re-flashing Aug 12 16:31:02 <\marco> :) Aug 12 16:31:22 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r9844cfc53408 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/ (TODO niebiee.edc): elementary-theme-niebiee: list-compress theme Aug 12 16:31:46 marco, does shr-settings work? Aug 12 16:31:47 <\marco> oh.. another note: there's no opkg link to opkg-cl Aug 12 16:31:57 \marco: look at topic Aug 12 16:31:59 ;p Aug 12 16:32:01 <\marco> knutmithut: let me try Aug 12 16:32:07 <\marco> dos1: ooops :D Aug 12 16:32:42 ok, so all lists are now done in niebiee theme :) Aug 12 16:32:51 <\marco> knutmithut: no, it don't.. but maybe it's an upgrade problem Aug 12 16:33:09 what does the console output say? Aug 12 16:33:16 because im having trouble too Aug 12 16:33:39 <\marco> mhm.. bad marshal data Aug 12 16:33:49 <\marco> and Aug 12 16:33:57 <\marco> 'import site' failed Aug 12 16:34:12 ah, i have the import site error too Aug 12 16:34:30 <\marco> good :) Aug 12 16:34:35 no :D Aug 12 16:34:38 <\marco> :D Aug 12 16:36:30 <\marco> 60859 Aug 12 16:36:44 <\marco> damn touchpad Aug 12 16:37:00 <\marco> :) Aug 12 16:37:54 I just flashed a clean image and i hove no errors with shr-settings Aug 12 16:37:55 dos1: mrmoku|away: Heinervdm: yup it missed libgsm0710mux-config :-/ Aug 12 16:38:24 Heinervdm: no it didn't come up with pin auth on 2. boot Aug 12 16:38:32 <\marco> Heinervdm: full or lite image? Aug 12 16:38:47 Heinervdm, full shr image of 8.8.? Aug 12 16:38:51 \marco: there is only a lite image, isnt it? Aug 12 16:38:59 nope, both Aug 12 16:39:02 i have full Aug 12 16:39:05 <\marco> me too Aug 12 16:39:23 dos1: so any suggestion how to recover from that now? ;-P Aug 12 16:39:39 \marco, knutmithut: try some opkg install -force-reinstall python-codecs or something else Aug 12 16:39:50 DocScrutinizer: ask Heinervdm what correct config should be ;) Aug 12 16:39:57 (i don't know as i didn't upgrade) Aug 12 16:40:24 aaah, right it's a silly config. Should be easy to fix Aug 12 16:40:40 \marco, knutmithut i've the lite image Aug 12 16:40:55 Heinervdm: could you pastebin the config part? Aug 12 16:41:30 DocScrutinizer: in a few seconds Aug 12 16:41:43 (prolly a real dev would do a git-diff) Aug 12 16:41:50 Heinervdm: thanks Aug 12 16:42:15 alas I'm no dev and have no idea of git Aug 12 16:44:47 where is libgsm0710mux config located? Aug 12 16:45:15 good question Aug 12 16:46:20 /etc/abyss.conf ;) Aug 12 16:46:42 dos1, error message changed.. Aug 12 16:46:57 DocScrutinizer: http://shr.pastebin.com/m436cff34 Aug 12 16:47:07 moment.. shr-settings works Aug 12 16:47:13 <\marco> wow :) Aug 12 16:47:13 :-)))))) Aug 12 16:47:44 and pyrok has an error with mp3decoder or so Aug 12 16:47:57 <\marco> I'm still re-flashing :) Aug 12 16:48:24 self._mp3decoder = gst.element_factory_make("mad", "mp3-decoder") Aug 12 16:48:25 gst.ElementNotFoundError: mad Aug 12 16:49:19 knutmithut: i'm getting a similar error with vagalume Aug 12 16:49:59 shit it's correct Aug 12 16:50:14 (/etc/abyss.conf) Aug 12 16:50:21 vagalume doesnt work for me too, error creating gstreamer elements Aug 12 16:50:47 knutmithut: i'm trying to install gst-plugin-mad Aug 12 16:52:37 Weiss: trying it. so far no backtrace. following http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/ServerDebugging Aug 12 16:53:35 Heinervdm, installing gst-plugin-mad works Aug 12 16:53:53 knutmithut: but not for vagalume Aug 12 16:53:55 b Aug 12 16:54:08 has more errors.. Aug 12 16:54:10 woooot "./old/" someone cleaned up the room :-D Aug 12 16:54:31 mad:success, audioconvert, autoaudiosink and alsasink error Aug 12 16:54:50 pyrok has now problems with vorbisdec Aug 12 16:55:17 anyway, where to dl the package file from? (libgsm0710mux-config.ipkg) Aug 12 16:56:03 another person on ml "todays opkg fixed it for me" Aug 12 16:56:05 sorry for my noob questions Aug 12 16:56:22 whats the blue theme in scap? i want it!!! Aug 12 16:56:31 DocScrutinizer: http://build.shr-project.org/feed/ and something later Aug 12 16:56:40 k, thnx Aug 12 16:56:47 F4t: elementary-theme-niebiee, i'm doing it ;) Aug 12 16:57:04 looks good! where can i get it? :D Aug 12 16:57:10 <\marco> dfu_download error -110 Error during download Aug 12 16:57:10 F4t: it will be in repo probably today (or if not - tomorrow) Aug 12 16:57:11 <\marco> grr Aug 12 16:57:21 cool Aug 12 16:57:36 knutmithut: vagalume needs gst-plugin-alsa and gst-plugin-audioconvert Aug 12 16:57:37 <\marco> no.. simply I'm an idiot :D Aug 12 16:57:43 theres also this theme... whats that? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/ebe35c87534dd32f2d5026a55dfbc54d.png Aug 12 16:57:53 <\marco> trying to flash the root in the kernel space Aug 12 16:57:54 <\marco> XD Aug 12 16:58:15 Mirv: hmm.. does it still segfault for you if you run with the latest stuff? if not, that's significant.. Aug 12 16:58:18 dos1: no feed here Aug 12 16:58:39 DocScrutinizer: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/ Aug 12 16:58:56 k, better Aug 12 16:59:46 okay, vagalume is working now, thanks Heinervdm Aug 12 17:00:10 Weiss: it does. I just mean I don't get meaningful trace besides the segfault. currently getting segfault again about right away after starting X. Aug 12 17:00:35 so installing more debug symbols, assuming I launch gdb etc. otherwise correctly Aug 12 17:00:41 Mirv: hmm.. if you run it inside GDB, does it say something about do_lookup_x? Aug 12 17:01:14 only #0 0x40355b98 in memcpy () from /lib/libc.so.6 at the moment, so installing libc6-dbg now Aug 12 17:01:37 hmm.. but if you do "bt", there's nothing useful? Aug 12 17:01:55 yep, just #1 ?? and #2 ?? Aug 12 17:02:22 "Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)" Aug 12 17:02:31 hmm.. that sounds related to my crash, in that it doesn't make any sense.. Aug 12 17:03:09 i thought perhaps i was doing something wrong with xf86Loader which meant that symbols didn't get properly resolved, but maybe i actually trashed the stack at some point Aug 12 17:03:54 do I need libgsm0710mux-config_0.3.5+gitr35... or libgsm0710mux-config_0.3.5+gitr37+3ba357..., or even *both* ?:-s Aug 12 17:05:11 Heinervdm, do you know, which package i need, when vorbisdec is missing? Aug 12 17:05:53 knutmithut: i suggest gst-plugin-vorbis Aug 12 17:05:56 DocScrutinizer: 37 ;x Aug 12 17:06:00 k Aug 12 17:06:06 assumed that Aug 12 17:06:19 just making sure Aug 12 17:06:30 thnks :-) Aug 12 17:07:45 ah thanks, how can i search in the list of installable packets? Aug 12 17:08:07 opkg-cl search uses the list of installed packets Aug 12 17:09:04 knutmithut: opkg list | grep something Aug 12 17:09:05 ;P Aug 12 17:09:26 mh.. simple.. :D Aug 12 17:12:14 what does this mean? Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Aug 12 17:12:39 knutmithut: nothing Aug 12 17:12:54 just ignore Aug 12 17:12:57 i think it means someone should update the frikcin python dbus byndings already Aug 12 17:13:07 but pyrok crashes^^ Aug 12 17:13:17 gives this also: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters Aug 12 17:13:17 super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) Aug 12 17:14:08 knutmithut: it's only a warning, because of this it doesn't crash Aug 12 17:14:11 ah.. error was, that /home/root/Music didnt exist Aug 12 17:14:25 okay thank you :) now its running Aug 12 17:15:58 http://pastebin.com/f3ca3bc1b :-// anyway... Aug 12 17:17:05 Mirv: hmm, actually i had a crash similar to yours with a much simpler test program. maybe it's related.. Aug 12 17:19:13 gtk+ doesn't build... Aug 12 17:19:31 dos1: don't you think there's a missing (.?)DEPENDS in either of those mux packages? Aug 12 17:19:52 okay, everything works fine for the moment Aug 12 17:19:57 i have to work again :D Aug 12 17:20:26 DocScrutinizer: probably yes Aug 12 17:20:47 waiting..... didamdidam... Aug 12 17:20:53 thanks for help, goodbye :) Aug 12 17:21:36 FSCK!!! "no service" -- no pim auth Aug 12 17:24:02 <\marco> ok! now ( without opkg upgrade ) gsm it's working :) Aug 12 17:24:21 Heinervdm: dos1: http://pastebin.com/f4f006ac Aug 12 17:24:57 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rd926c4d28449 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/ (4 files in 2 dirs): elementary-theme-niebiee: add outdent_bottom and outdent_top themes for frame Aug 12 17:24:59 \marco: "DON'T DO opkg install fso-abyss" ;-P Aug 12 17:25:39 DocScrutinizer: upgrade libfsoframework0 and fsousaged Aug 12 17:25:40 <\marco> DocScrutinizer: auhuahua :D ok ^^ I promise :) Aug 12 17:25:48 DocScrutinizer: and... Aug 12 17:25:54 lol, ooooo...Kay Aug 12 17:26:00 DocScrutinizer: it seems you have that broken opkg ;x Aug 12 17:26:21 (or r3->r4 was for something else?) Aug 12 17:26:57 dunno, did opkg install libopkg0 opkg some days ago Aug 12 17:27:15 iirc Aug 12 17:27:52 nah wait... I assumed it's fixed in 88 and simply created a symlink??? can't recall Aug 12 17:28:07 anyway opkg seems to work (well kinda) Aug 12 17:28:38 DocScrutinizer: oh, ok. so i'm wrong and fix for broken opkg was in r2->r3 :) Aug 12 17:29:15 dos1: do you say opkg upgrade foo... or opkg install fooo Aug 12 17:29:16 ? Aug 12 17:29:33 opkg install, upgrade AFAIK just upgrades whole system Aug 12 17:29:45 that's what I thought as well Aug 12 17:30:43 niebiee TODO: icons (make better in x11-16), bubbles (also only for x11-16), clock (now it's ugly no matter with engine is used :P) -> finished :) Aug 12 17:31:31 Weiss: my limited gdb usage instructs me always to install debug symbols available :) but currently it does not look like helping with this case, though. Aug 12 17:31:42 all symbols, that is Aug 12 17:34:26 feeling pissed - no libfsoframework0 at http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/om-gta02/ Aug 12 17:34:59 prolly I need to search another site for that? Aug 12 17:39:38 DocScrutinizer: armv4t, om-gta02 are only gta02 specific packages Aug 12 17:39:52 thanks Aug 12 17:40:48 http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/train-clock/train-clock.svg Aug 12 17:40:56 is it nice enough? :D Aug 12 17:49:24 http://pastebin.com/ff407a55 Aug 12 17:49:35 a little spam Aug 12 17:50:18 DocScrutinizer, libfsoframework is *not* machine specific Aug 12 17:50:23 dos1: doen't display in knqueror Aug 12 17:50:28 better look in armv4t and you'll find it :P Aug 12 17:50:44 mrmoku: yo Aug 12 17:50:50 got that meanwhile Aug 12 17:50:51 DocScrutinizer: i'm displaying it in konqueror, and it's svg file supposed to be displayed by ksvg engine by plasma ;x Aug 12 17:51:10 maybe kde4 Aug 12 17:51:27 wtf is plasma?? ;-) Aug 12 17:52:20 ooops now it works o.O Aug 12 17:52:28 Weiss: actually, I now have Xorg running. previously I used nodm which called all kinds of stuff Aug 12 17:52:48 and hmm, it crashed in tslib now Aug 12 17:53:48 dos1: when I enter URL into addressfield then it works, when I click URL in Konversation I get "image/svg+xml image/svg+xml in pannel out off pannel" Aug 12 17:54:31 DocScrutinizer: yup, i'm using kde4 Aug 12 17:56:24 hmm, second boot after http://pastebin.com/ff407a55... Aug 12 17:58:54 :X Aug 12 17:59:01 * DocScrutinizer dumbass Aug 12 17:59:09 nevermind Aug 12 18:05:45 im back :) Aug 12 18:05:58 shr-settings claims, that it couldn't connect to fso Aug 12 18:07:10 phoooooooh pffffff. finally.... SIM Auth Aug 12 18:07:57 Mirv: yeah, there are problems resolving the debug information because so many things are loaded dynamically (i.e. via dlopen() and friends) Aug 12 18:08:41 for me, starting it via /etc/init.d works, it's only when i start tangogps that it crashes Aug 12 18:13:55 Weiss: what? Aug 12 18:14:06 Weiss: what crashes? Aug 12 18:14:50 DocScrutinizer: he's talking about his KMS/DRI/Glamo/whatever work ;) Aug 12 18:15:00 ooh Aug 12 18:15:23 bbl Aug 12 18:16:06 how do i kill a running process, when strg+c not works? Aug 12 18:16:52 killall -9 commandname Aug 12 18:17:05 terminal is fetched.. Aug 12 18:17:18 open a new one Aug 12 18:17:18 how do i set the process into the background? Aug 12 18:17:24 ^Z Aug 12 18:17:38 bg Aug 12 18:19:34 ah, thanks :) Aug 12 18:20:31 sometimes ^\ is worth a try Aug 12 18:21:31 killall: shr-settings: no process killed -.- Aug 12 18:22:39 ps xa Aug 12 18:25:35 ps xa | grep shr-settings; kill -9 Aug 12 18:31:02 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r26ff86fc7fc6 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/ (27 files in 2 dirs): elementary-theme-niebiee: clock theme Aug 12 18:34:02 Weiss: ha! I got a trace. Aug 12 18:34:04 hey. Aug 12 18:34:34 Weiss: http://pastebin.com/f221d1b29 Aug 12 18:34:45 dos1, what did you commit for me? Aug 12 18:35:22 Mirv: awesome, very many thanks Aug 12 18:35:31 Weiss: started plain Xorg, attached to it via gdb, and started lxterminal via another ssh session Aug 12 18:36:15 Weiss: "< Weiss> hmm.. that sounds related to my crash, in that it doesn't make any sense.." <-- LOL. Btw how did it happen that you got involved in GFX programming? Aug 12 18:38:04 TAsn: darker right-sided bubbles than left-sided bubbles Aug 12 18:38:20 * DocScrutinizer never realized how cumbersome it gets to kill a particular python process from outside Aug 12 18:39:01 DocScrutinizer: ps aux | grep python; kill -9 WHAT-YOU-SEE-IN-OUTPUT ;) Aug 12 18:39:51 kill -$1 `ps xa|grep -v grep|grep $2|cut -f2 -d " " ` Aug 12 18:39:54 dos1, pic? Aug 12 18:40:04 safe top upgrade again? Aug 12 18:40:13 TAsn: i'll make more screens when i'll finish Aug 12 18:40:25 ok ;) Aug 12 18:40:32 dos1: WHAT-YOU-SEE-IN-OUTPUT is no valid answer to the task ;-) Aug 12 18:40:55 but it works! ;D Aug 12 18:41:09 [2009-08-12 20:25:34] ps xa | grep shr-settings; kill -9 Aug 12 18:41:19 PaulFertser: i'd been doing OpenGL and other such fun for a while.. then i got into the Glamo stuff when there was a call for volunteers to work on drivers. from there, I just rode the steep learning curve.. Aug 12 18:41:27 oh ;x Aug 12 18:41:32 Mirv: hmm, looks like more heap corruption :S Aug 12 18:44:45 dos1: is it safe to opkg upgrade today? Aug 12 18:45:14 Zorkman: looks like yes ;) Aug 12 18:45:33 let's upgrade! Aug 12 18:46:34 Ainulindale: ping Aug 12 18:47:02 dos1, they fixed libfsotransport? Aug 12 18:47:06 mrmoku, testing? :) Aug 12 18:47:26 TAsn: yup, mickey|sports was there ;) Aug 12 18:48:06 dos1, he's such a busy man, someone new would actually think the '|' is part of his nick :) Aug 12 18:48:29 Mirv: hmm, may have found something (a header mismatch, can lead to stack corruption) Aug 12 18:49:47 dos1, btw, I have very bad news. Aug 12 18:49:58 dos1, I'm considering to give KDE4.3 a try :( Aug 12 18:50:02 ;D Aug 12 18:50:18 to be honest i liked more KDE4.2 look&feel Aug 12 18:50:38 panel without compositing with default theme looks like vista ;/ Aug 12 18:50:56 yuck. Aug 12 18:51:17 but only panel, other things are nice Aug 12 18:51:25 and with compositing it looks better ;) Aug 12 18:51:34 Weiss: sounds great, if you can use the trace for something. gotta go now(ish), but now that I have it working I can do new traces when I see you've updated something in the stack. Aug 12 18:51:54 Mirv: ok, no problem Aug 12 18:52:16 dos1, I liked the "everything is a widget" approach Aug 12 18:52:41 TAsn: plasma? Aug 12 18:52:51 aye. Aug 12 18:53:16 yup, i like it too Aug 12 18:53:41 in 4.0 it sucked, but 4.1 used newer Qt with Widgets on Canvas technology Aug 12 18:53:47 and now it rocks ;) Aug 12 18:53:58 :) Aug 12 18:54:16 dos1: fast as a solid rock? Aug 12 18:54:26 I feel like cartman in the everyone hates red heads episode Aug 12 18:54:40 I always hated KDE Aug 12 18:54:47 and now I'm slowly becoming one ;( Aug 12 18:55:03 hopefully not. Aug 12 18:55:11 ;D Aug 12 19:14:58 ok, let's tango. opkg upgrade Aug 12 19:25:42 lol, one of opkg's errors: * Warning: remove /VT}U}QÐGÈKU failed: No such file or directory Aug 12 19:30:17 dos1: settings-GPS [Quit] nonfunct Aug 12 19:30:33 "Warning opkg is about to complete the upgrade without any problem, corrupting a random pkg...." Aug 12 19:30:38 DocScrutinizer: it happens sometimes, and it's WONTFIX until rewrite :( Aug 12 19:30:47 k Aug 12 19:33:40 dos1: settings-others-domains-calls (and prolly *): show if a backend is enabled or disabled! Aug 12 19:34:58 DocScrutinizer: hmm? Aug 12 19:36:14 F4t, lol. Aug 12 19:36:44 the list of backend doesn't show if a backend is enabled. you need to open the config screen of e.g sqlite-BE to see it's checked at "[v] enable" or "[ ] ..." not Aug 12 19:37:58 DocScrutinizer: yup Aug 12 19:39:14 fsck, sim-messages-fso [quit] nonfunct Aug 12 19:39:44 hmm Aug 12 19:39:50 that's strange Aug 12 19:40:24 DocScrutinizer: i suppose you didn't start shr-settings from console and you can't send me traceback? ;( Aug 12 19:40:34 nope Aug 12 19:42:44 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rda826f00062e 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/images/updown.png: elementary-theme-niebiee: use nicer icon on hoversels Aug 12 19:43:19 dos1, how close are we to a working theme? Aug 12 19:43:20 :) Aug 12 19:43:20 dos1: click on [sim-contacts-fso], quit screen that pops up, try to click same sim-cont-fso again -> no effect Aug 12 19:43:27 * TAsn wants to test. Aug 12 19:43:43 TAsn: elementary theme -> it's done, just few icons need tweaking to look good on x11-16 ;) Aug 12 19:43:54 dos1, :) Aug 12 19:44:45 brb. Aug 12 19:45:59 dos1: btw:my settings icon is borked, maybe I need a reboot though Aug 12 19:46:45 Guys, what do you think of this song: http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/30058 ? (CC license, indierock like, good recording quality, "primitive" style) Aug 12 19:46:59 dos1: might be caused by settings having an open screen during opkg upgrade? Aug 12 19:48:05 DocScrutinizer: may be Aug 12 19:49:10 dos1: I disabled sim-contacts and still have all my contacts. I assume we still have no opimd-based UI and that's the reason? Aug 12 19:49:50 DocScrutinizer: a) yes, shr ui is ogsmd based Aug 12 19:50:10 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Aug 12 19:50:15 DocScrutinizer: b) disabling backend doesn't remove contacts from it ATM in opimd. thanks for reminding, it wasn't in my todo :x Aug 12 19:50:18 I'm so glad to see users are cooperating Aug 12 19:50:37 (I'm talking about the white theme) Aug 12 19:51:25 TAsn: blue theme is also effect of your mail :P Aug 12 19:51:35 dos1, :) Aug 12 19:51:39 gry looks awesome btw! :) Aug 12 19:53:53 FYI - opkg upgrade worked for me Aug 12 19:55:05 hi!, what is shr-unstable current status? is fsousaged fixed now? can I update shr and don't have much problems?) Aug 12 19:55:48 some people have had success upgrading today (including me) Aug 12 19:58:31 dos1: OK, now settings is solidly frozen. last action was activation of -10 button (shading) on idle-dim Aug 12 19:58:57 previous action was disconnecting GPRS Aug 12 19:59:53 dos1: would you like me to do any special test? Aug 12 20:00:13 before I kill the whole crap ;-) Aug 12 20:00:19 DocScrutinizer: that's probably something with dbus call to frameworkd Aug 12 20:00:31 might be Aug 12 20:01:16 disconnecting GPRS always was a little icky Aug 12 20:01:52 sometimes needed two clicks, sometimes had huge delay Aug 12 20:02:09 so you won't mind me killing it now? Aug 12 20:03:01 dos1: 3... 2.... Aug 12 20:03:01 DocScrutinizer: yup, i don't think there is possibilty to dbus it now ;x Aug 12 20:03:12 k, 1, 0 Aug 12 20:03:49 looool, it ressurected ;-D Aug 12 20:05:40 and dead again (clicked the -10 button another time) Aug 12 20:06:17 fsousaged? Aug 12 20:06:34 DocScrutinizer: no, timeouts -> odeviced Aug 12 20:06:41 aah Aug 12 20:07:10 I was wondering why it stopped to dim and suspend Aug 12 20:08:06 please complete the following line... Aug 12 20:08:38 mdbus -s fsoframework/odeviced/... Aug 12 20:08:48 someone who did opkg upgrade today: do you have opkg symlink to opkg-cl? Aug 12 20:08:53 DocScrutinizer: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced Aug 12 20:09:19 dos1: no failed as it's no symlink but a file Aug 12 20:09:38 DocScrutinizer, what? Aug 12 20:10:13 I remeber I created a symlink from opkg to opkg-cl by hand. Aug 12 20:11:06 mrmoku: opkg upgrade erred on "opkg is a file and no symlink. update-alternatives failed" sth like that Aug 12 20:11:24 DocScrutinizer, yep opkg is handled via alternatives Aug 12 20:11:26 DocScrutinizer: that's because you did it by hand Aug 12 20:11:29 :P Aug 12 20:11:53 well for now I don't mind Aug 12 20:12:22 TAsn, want to come closer to a testing? Aug 12 20:12:44 mrmoku, tell me what I need to do. Aug 12 20:12:48 :) Aug 12 20:12:57 (though quick as i'm kinda busy) Aug 12 20:13:20 TAsn, find out why upgrading from yesterdays testing bricks the phone Aug 12 20:13:24 testing is borring ;) Aug 12 20:13:38 TAsn, you still have it installed somehwere? Aug 12 20:13:38 mrmoku, just create a new image... Aug 12 20:13:49 mrmoku, how can I test for bricking?! Aug 12 20:13:50 btw afaik now there is symlink opkg-cl -> opkg Aug 12 20:13:53 ;) Aug 12 20:14:03 I mean where do I even start debugging?! Aug 12 20:14:07 TAsn, upgrade will hang and at some point X terminates Aug 12 20:14:11 dos1: (odeviced) nah, settings borks on every arbitrary click, so I guess I'll kill it now and see if it's back to normal on restart Aug 12 20:14:24 after that you won't have neither X nor USB networking :P Aug 12 20:14:24 mrmoku, why do you even want to handle it? Aug 12 20:14:36 just regenerate an image... Aug 12 20:14:42 TAsn, I would like to understand how that is possible Aug 12 20:14:53 because we don't want something like that ;) Aug 12 20:15:06 mrmoku, I'd like to see spend your time on more important issues :) Aug 12 20:15:08 (new image is generated since long) Aug 12 20:15:11 mrmoku, sweet Aug 12 20:15:13 how is itL Aug 12 20:15:14 ? Aug 12 20:15:18 won't tell you Aug 12 20:15:22 mrmoku, well, it seems like a big hassle Aug 12 20:15:33 for something that we may not encounter in the future Aug 12 20:15:43 and as I said, I'm short in time atm Aug 12 20:15:45 if you want Aug 12 20:15:49 nvm Aug 12 20:15:52 I'll probably be able to give it a test tomorrow Aug 12 20:15:58 will it still be relevant? Aug 12 20:16:02 if so remind me tomorrow ;) Aug 12 20:16:08 k Aug 12 20:16:12 great. Aug 12 20:16:16 * DocScrutinizer wonders if there was a request how to kill shr-settings today before... :x Aug 12 20:16:22 now, please tell me, how's the new image? :) Aug 12 20:16:26 fine Aug 12 20:16:30 cool :) Aug 12 20:16:32 cya. Aug 12 20:19:41 mrmoku: 3 patches sent Aug 12 20:21:26 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced hangs forever, as does settings-power on "loading 4 modules". time for a reboot Aug 12 20:21:51 DocScrutinizer: what's in /var/log/frameworkd.conf? Aug 12 20:22:56 mrmoku: thanks :) Aug 12 20:22:56 *.LOG? Aug 12 20:23:00 uh Aug 12 20:23:03 DocScrutinizer: right :D Aug 12 20:23:50 2623 lines :-P Aug 12 20:25:28 odeviced.idlenotifier INFO state chng to idle -- some 30min ago Aug 12 20:25:49 nothin since when "?device" Aug 12 20:27:09 time for a reboot Aug 12 20:33:39 dos1: opkg upgraded, but now the phonefunctions doesn't register or ask for a pin Aug 12 20:36:28 is this a normal frameworkd message: http://pastie.org/581841 (no such file or dir: /sys/../pwron) Aug 12 20:37:00 yaya Aug 12 20:37:08 phone works again :) Aug 12 20:37:16 did mickey fix it? Aug 12 20:37:53 just opkg upgraded - worked beautifully Aug 12 20:38:01 can make a call atleast - better than before :) Aug 12 20:38:24 wpwrak: Hi :) Can you tell anything about Marvell 88W8686? Aug 12 20:40:19 dos1: shr-settings->phone says 'could not connect to FSO" Aug 12 20:40:22 FSCK!!!!!! still NO SUSPEND on inbound SMS Aug 12 20:40:33 DocScrutinizer: i reverted that Aug 12 20:40:49 I thought mickey fixed it!!! Aug 12 20:41:00 DocScrutinizer: as oeventsd is f*cked up and needs odeviced started before it to handle that Aug 12 20:41:03 nah, he said to look into that before we Aug 12 20:41:05 DocScrutinizer: probably you can shed some light about Marvell 88W8686 (wifi chip, an alternative to ar6001)? Aug 12 20:41:10 DocScrutinizer: no. he said he'll fix that before weekend Aug 12 20:41:33 PaulFertser: sorry, not off top of my head Aug 12 20:41:54 DocScrutinizer: looks like it was considered to be an option... Aug 12 20:41:58 dos1, how to enable the theme? Aug 12 20:42:22 mrmoku: ELM_THEME=niebiee Aug 12 20:42:28 PaulFertser: yes. but I know little about it, or at least can't recall Aug 12 20:42:42 * DocScrutinizer off for dinner Aug 12 20:43:22 ahhh, and seems \n isn't handled correctly in SMS Aug 12 20:46:13 mrmoku: so, what was the decision about fsoraw? Is it going to be in default images or not? Aug 12 20:46:55 PaulFertser, yep Aug 12 20:47:00 mrmoku: kewl Aug 12 20:47:25 shit, sent screen to scap instead of saving locally ;x Aug 12 20:53:31 dos1, looks nice (apart from efl2 messages :P) Aug 12 20:53:54 mrmoku: phonegui-efl looks bad too :P it needs its own theme Aug 12 20:54:14 dos1, and the grey desktop does not fit Aug 12 20:54:28 mrmoku: i'll do e-wm-theme-niebiee too ;p Aug 12 20:54:39 but step by step ;D Aug 12 20:54:47 dos1, btw... it hit shr-unstable feed Aug 12 20:54:52 nice :) Aug 12 20:54:56 (and I will hit the bed now :P) Aug 12 20:55:11 gnight :) Aug 12 20:55:48 night Aug 12 21:04:27 PaulFertser: i've heard good thing being said about it. haven't used it myself, though. Aug 12 21:05:57 wpwrak: judging by the schematics there're pin-to-pin compatible modules... Seems to be (though highly unlikely in our cruel reality) a good replacement for our ar6001 module. I thought you know about it... Aug 12 21:08:40 PaulFertser: yes, it may be a good choice. if i had to pick a wlan today, that would be the first one i'd look at. Aug 12 21:10:00 wpwrak: looks like i'm not clear enough, let me rephrase. Why was it considered for gta02 but rejected and why can't we just swap the modules on our devices? Aug 12 21:16:05 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r83a1c5aba620 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/images/ (4 files): elementary-theme-niebiee: make arrows looking better in hoversels Aug 12 21:16:30 PaulFertser: i don't quite remember, but i think back then, the driver situation looked better with atheros than with marvell Aug 12 21:17:06 PaulFertser: (swapping the modules) who's stopping you from doing just that ? :) Aug 12 21:17:28 wpwrak: lack of alternative module obviously Aug 12 21:19:54 PaulFertser: well, you could get a prototype board and hook it up to the sdio lines, see how it goes. then find someone who will build a daughter board for you. the components should be realtively easy to find - the connector is even available from digi-key. Aug 12 21:24:51 wpwrak: sure, probably would be a fun project. Aug 12 21:25:41 the first part shouldn't be too hard Aug 12 21:26:28 WTF?!? dev suspends inmidst ffalarm-alarm >:-( Aug 12 21:30:44 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r74698b8c02eb 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/ (images/arrow_down.png images/arrow_up.png niebiee.edc): elementary-theme-niebiee: make arrows on clock looking better Aug 12 21:37:58 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r80a9a39561df 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/niebiee.edc: elementary-theme-niebiee: toolbar: kill green! blue forever <3 Aug 12 21:43:18 * DocMobilizer thinks mokonnect should be called with 2 arguments: profile-to-activate, app-to-load (analog fsoraw) Aug 12 21:45:18 tbh mokonnect should become a resource in fso so you could request profiles like any other resource Aug 12 21:46:11 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r5b5ad64a405a 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/ (TODO images/icon_left_arrow.png images/icon_right_arrow.png): elementary-theme-niebiee: use better icons in toolbar Aug 12 21:46:12 only bubbles left in niebiee elementary theme :) Aug 12 21:48:16 anybody here who used aircrack successfully? Aug 12 21:49:03 well ss/crack/odump/ ;-) Aug 12 21:49:15 wpwrak: hm, libertas driver supports the chip but only station and ad-hoc modes available... Aug 12 21:50:37 PaulFertser: i'd prefer airodump supported the chip Aug 12 21:51:25 wpwrak: also this mail suggests marvell prefers to screw the devs: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/libertas-dev/2008-April/001481.html Aug 12 21:51:55 PaulFertser: why r u interested in that chip? Aug 12 21:53:12 DocMobilizer: because there seem to be a module pin-to-pin compatible with what we use on gta02 (suggested by gta02 schematics). Aug 12 21:53:50 aaah that one Aug 12 21:55:09 probably they losed on driver support Aug 12 21:55:50 DocMobilizer: now there exists a libertas driver that supports the chip (a similar device is used in OLPC XO). Aug 12 21:56:24 or it's maybe a softmac arch even Aug 12 21:57:31 DocMobilizer: it might be in fact beneficial... Aug 12 21:57:36 s/might/would/ Aug 12 21:57:38 PaulFertser meant: DocMobilizer: it would be in fact beneficial... Aug 12 21:58:17 RMS was massively averse to use any userland/systemside blobs (see gllin) Aug 12 21:58:45 so no softmac wifi :-( Aug 12 21:59:27 DocMobilizer: there's a free software softmac implementation. I'm not talking about using binary shit here. Aug 12 21:59:55 now we are stuck (aka fscked) with hardmac Aug 12 22:00:21 Yes, exactly Aug 12 22:01:00 (free softmac) since when? which level of support? Aug 12 22:01:59 ok, going to bed Aug 12 22:02:01 good night Aug 12 22:02:21 could OM have taken the risk back when...? Aug 12 22:02:36 night dos1 Aug 12 22:03:30 DocMobilizer: i guess that it's what ath5k is after. But unfortunately no chips suitable for embedded... Aug 12 22:04:50 err s/RSN/RMS/ freudian... ;-) Aug 12 22:05:49 PaulFertser: (free SM) for this marvel? Aug 12 22:06:31 DocMobilizer: no, for some atheroses chips. Aug 12 22:06:48 PaulFertser: the softmac firmware may be an option with the 8686. but ... seems that marvell don't consider this as something they want to support on the long run. so don't get too excited about it. Aug 12 22:07:07 arthrosis chips ;D Aug 12 22:07:14 wpwrak: why do you think they expose enough for the softmac? Aug 12 22:07:52 PaulFertser: hmm, or was that some other marvell chip ? there is a firmware with softmac around Aug 12 22:07:59 (afaik) Aug 12 22:08:28 Also even ath5k doesn't support AP mode yet :( Aug 12 22:09:33 wpwrak: i might be dead wrong in all i say about wifi, don't know anything about it :-/ But people are frustrated by this ar6001 fuckup. Aug 12 22:09:44 wpwrak: oh, one more question: Aug 12 22:10:35 wpwrak: i thought Harald is famous enough to be able to have some good contacts in Atheros. Probably he can help to clarify the issue. After all you did an amazing work tracking firmware issues, they just must do something about it now. Aug 12 22:11:33 PaulFertser: well, i told them about all the bugs and such, and all they responded was that we should upgrade to the ar6002. Aug 12 22:11:47 wpwrak: how do they imagine that? Aug 12 22:12:11 PaulFertser: i guess that's a problem left to the reader :) Aug 12 22:12:41 wpwrak: upgrade to the new chip because of firmware bugs? That just doesn't sound anywhere near sane. Aug 12 22:13:13 PaulFertser: i don't know if they would have given us chips for free or such. in any case, that happened only shortly before openmoko abandoned telephony, so even if they had had a good migration plan fgor us, it would have been useless. Aug 12 22:13:44 PaulFertser: before that, we were still hoping for a firmware upgrade that would at least turn off that debug mode that would crash all the time ... Aug 12 22:14:12 wpwrak: how could we use those chips anyway? Did OM produce modules themselves? Aug 12 22:14:21 PaulFertser: rumor has it that atheros are/were basically unable to release firmware updates Aug 12 22:14:58 wpwrak: could Harald talk to atheros about it? Probably they can change their mind. Aug 12 22:14:59 PaulFertser: sort of, yes. openmoko got the permission to get modules made for their own use Aug 12 22:15:34 PaulFertser: what makes you think harald wields any power at atheros ? Aug 12 22:16:13 wpwrak: he seems to be quite an influential man... Or probably i just like fairy tales. Aug 12 22:16:55 hey, at least it's a module - with a b2b-connector ;-) Aug 12 22:17:29 PaulFertser: i think the atheros situation is pretty much a dead end. and with openmoko gone even more so. Aug 12 22:17:46 PaulFertser: yep, look at the bright side :) Aug 12 22:18:16 wpwrak: why is that? Do you really believe they have decent reason to not allow firmware upgrades? That's an unusual thing by all means. Aug 12 22:18:57 always look on the bright side of live - don't worry Aug 12 22:19:05 be happy Aug 12 22:19:40 I don't do drugs so being happy in this world is not quite easy for me. Aug 12 22:19:46 PaulFertser: duh. maybe they're afraid of FCC Aug 12 22:20:04 nah seems i mixed up monty py and b.ferry Aug 12 22:20:13 PaulFertser: of maybe they think people could reverse their precious IP. or maybe find some patent violations. whatever. Aug 12 22:20:15 wpwrak: everyone's releasing binary blobs to be loaded in the chips, including those FCC controlled... Aug 12 22:20:46 PaulFertser: if there's no danger that doesn't mean that you can't be afraid anyway ;-) Aug 12 22:21:07 wpwrak: do you think reading the firmware out of the chip would cost >$10000? Aug 12 22:21:43 PaulFertser: openmoko didn't even have firmware upgrade capabilities internally. when they gave us a first batch of total lemons (1.2 fw), the modules had to be replaced physically. Aug 12 22:21:52 wpwrak: i know about that shit Aug 12 22:22:05 PaulFertser: i think you can read it quite easily. there's a debug readback operation :) Aug 12 22:22:45 wpwrak: and even if it didn't work then how much would it cost? I guess that's neglegible, so making firmware updates available can't really harm. Aug 12 22:23:05 PaulFertser: they you can decompile it. i've hear russians are great at that ;-) Aug 12 22:24:25 wpwrak: even if they hidden the firmware well i can't see why a dedicated attacker can't spend some $$ and send it to flylogic for readout. And since the cost is on the order of 1e4 and not 1e6 it's neglegible. Aug 12 22:24:33 PaulFertser: i never got to the bottom of why they didn't want fw upgrades. maybe they have a little steve jobs dictating such policy :) Aug 12 22:25:26 wpwrak: so probably Harald can find and kill^W convince the right guys to finally change their minds? Or am i just dreaming without being asleep? Aug 12 22:25:52 PaulFertser: well, here's your option: read the firmware, decompile it, go through all the patent databases and find every patent they might have violated. send the patent owners a detailed analysis why you think they're in violation. that should teach them ;-) Aug 12 22:26:21 wpwrak: you know i'm obviously not up to the task Aug 12 22:26:39 PaulFertser: again, what makes you think that harald has any influence on atheros' policy ? Aug 12 22:27:07 wpwrak: because he's famous and he's an important guy in via (all caps) etc. Aug 12 22:28:27 bah, if the don't like then they give a shit. won't even open the door Aug 12 22:31:39 DocScrutinizer: just 2 years ago via didn't give a shit about free software too... Aug 12 22:31:52 PaulFertser: well, you can try him. but i doubt he cares enough to start a crusade. Aug 12 22:32:22 crusaders unite! Aug 12 22:33:25 wpwrak: hm, i see it as atheros screwed OM Inc by supplying an obviously bad firmware (release version shouldn't assert()) and doesn't want to change anything and assist in a sane way... isn't it enough for a motivation? Aug 12 22:34:40 PaulFertser: maybe for OM and employees. No such person around ;-) Aug 12 22:34:50 Heh, congrat me on my first bluez patch. (stupid docs amendment...) Aug 12 22:35:03 DocScrutinizer: i thought harald still cared about OM community. Aug 12 22:35:21 hmm, as much as I do maybe Aug 12 22:35:35 PaulFertser: heh, om is perhaps not the best company to complain too much about imperfect products ... :) Aug 12 22:36:14 wpwrak: at least OM is open enough to make things fixable. Bad products, sure, but good opportunities to fix. Just like russian cars. Aug 12 22:36:28 wpwrak: nah selling shit isn't a valid excuse not to sue others for doing same Aug 12 22:38:18 PaulFertser: true. at least we tried to fix things. Aug 12 22:38:31 anyway to me it seems like ar6xxx module is fubar no matter which fw you run on it. Sensitivity is abysmal Aug 12 22:38:44 wpwrak: and most cool former employees are still around :D Aug 12 22:39:09 PaulFertser: but i don't have any hope with atheros. openmoko are too small for them to care anyway. it's already unusual that they even talked to us. Aug 12 22:39:51 the OM-blues Aug 12 22:40:02 DocMobilizer: we're such losers :) Aug 12 22:42:17 heh, did arthrosis supply *anybody* with a better fw for that crap? Aug 12 22:42:55 or did the give in just on failure to finish OM ? Aug 12 22:43:30 if there were other products with same chip but better fw, we might rip Aug 12 22:43:34 DocMobilizer: as far as i know, no. it gets better: the 1.2 fw couldn't even do ssh properly. yet modules with that stuff are being distributed through resellers. (or have been a few months ago) Aug 12 22:43:54 DocMobilizer: so we actually have a better than usual firmware Aug 12 22:44:04 ouch!!!!!!!!!! Aug 12 22:44:23 what means "can't do ssh"?? Aug 12 22:44:55 isn't the chip rather agnostic about the data transferred over 802.11? Aug 12 22:45:06 DocMobilizer: samuel ran into the problem that ssh connections would stall and die. when we reported that back to atheros, they gave us that upgrade to 2.0 Aug 12 22:45:17 DocMobilizer: dunno what the underlying bug was Aug 12 22:45:31 straaaaaaaaaaaange Aug 12 22:46:23 DocMobilizer: no you kow why i think it's not worth it to even try :) Aug 12 22:46:39 DocMobilizer: i mean. beyond all we've done already Aug 12 22:47:08 maybe my ethernet card borks each time I try to pop3 a mail from shr, and that's why I can't get my account right on them ;) Aug 12 22:47:18 DocMobilizer: i did of course ask numerous times for a fixes and/or new fw Aug 12 22:47:26 * PaulFertser gone to read some more Dracula stuff to make his night more enjoyable :S Aug 12 22:48:50 well maybe the chip borks on special ports like 23 Aug 12 22:48:56 muahaha Aug 12 22:49:28 probably a buggy backdoor implementation Aug 12 22:49:50 PaulFertser: try some of the more recent works, with sexy vampirettes ;-) Aug 12 22:49:57 that's the reason they don't give out firmware blobs Aug 12 22:50:00 Mirv: if you get a chance, i'd be interested to know if this patch makes your segfault go away (it does for mine): http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/0001-Debug-stuff.patch - though, the screen won't render properly (it makes the driver throw away all unaccelerated operations) Aug 12 22:50:45 s/23/22/ Aug 12 22:52:27 once you know the backdoor and the pubkey, you easily can regenerate the privatekey XD Aug 12 22:52:47 and NSA hates this Aug 12 22:53:14 so probably Harald had no chance at all ;-D Aug 12 22:54:37 DocMobilizer: he'd have to catch them with both hands in the gpl cookie jar :) Aug 12 22:55:18 ok, children, sleep well. Tomorrow we tell you the story about... Aug 12 22:56:47 wpwrak: I doubt NSA would care a shit about GPL Aug 12 22:58:32 maybe they wouldn't sue you for reverse engineering if you had strong arguments so you might make a point in trial. But for sure they prefer to bomb storage than to disclose any secret Aug 12 22:59:24 remember the microsoft case? Aug 12 22:59:39 DocMobilizer: huh, NSA and MS ? Aug 12 23:00:41 there were some hardcoded PK in a crypt lib and they were named NDA1 and NDA2 (or something like that the story goes) Aug 12 23:03:29 a lot of german gov purged all their MS products, but 6months later everything was out of minds and out of news Aug 12 23:03:57 aah, that one. yeah, odd. Aug 12 23:05:33 allegedly they built a similar backdoor into VAX *hw* Aug 12 23:07:47 good idea. if you have enough space on your chips to implement instructions like movec5 and polyh, you also have room for backdoors :) Aug 12 23:11:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY Aug 12 23:29:49 DocMobilizer: yeah, great food for conspiracy theories :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 13 01:24:10 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 13 01:36:14 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 13 01:36:17 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 13 01:38:14 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 13 02:59:57 2009