**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 13 02:59:58 2009 Aug 13 04:46:05 goodmorning :) Aug 13 04:46:14 anyone tested ffalarms ? Aug 13 04:46:43 the alarm wakes the phone up from suspend (yay - improvement) - but there's no sound - it only shows the "1 2 3 4" screen to confirm shutting off the alarm Aug 13 04:46:54 where do I set what sound it uses? Aug 13 06:41:37 FiXion: uses sound for me; starts very softly, tho! check the file /var/spool/at to see what it does. Aug 13 06:46:45 Weiss: hi. I can confirm the patch took the crash away. by the way, the non-correct look is actually the same I got also before (just before it crashed), so it wasn't correctly drawing for me before, either Aug 13 06:48:50 but indeed I can now start basically everything I use by default. one (EE) Glamo(0): DRM_GLAMO_CMDBUF failed now, though. Aug 13 06:50:30 Weiss: while closing programs etc. I now finally got one crash, though it didn't crash (directly) in glamo: http://pastebin.com/m2c5df67 Aug 13 06:53:48 good morning Aug 13 06:54:11 ok, the lxterminal did not look exactly similar, but anyway with accel enabled it still didn't look correct Aug 13 06:54:20 morning Aug 13 06:54:40 methril|work, morning - how does building go? Aug 13 06:56:36 heyho Aug 13 06:56:39 :P Aug 13 06:56:44 heyho Aug 13 06:58:35 :) Aug 13 06:58:54 hm misterious I am getting a direct loop when logging into the shr wiki Aug 13 06:59:14 uhh... yeah Aug 13 06:59:26 a trac bug we suffer and don't get rid of :( Aug 13 06:59:37 hm so I can't login currently? Aug 13 06:59:53 Ainulindale, what's the state regarding our buggy trac? Aug 13 07:01:41 morphis, I fear the only solution is to delete you and re-add you Aug 13 07:06:38 Zorkman: ok, I give up, can't beat you. You must travel by profession or something :) Aug 13 07:26:49 mrmoku: hmpf Aug 13 07:27:01 its always the same shit with the trac system Aug 13 07:27:59 yep Aug 13 07:28:46 mrmoku: so can you delete my account? Aug 13 07:28:52 or who can do this? Aug 13 07:29:21 mrmoku: btw. I send an email to the devel ml about my thoughts of the ophonekitd dbus api Aug 13 07:30:01 morphis: will delete you (and read your mail too :) Aug 13 07:31:40 great :) Aug 13 07:31:44 thanks so far Aug 13 07:32:14 anybody knows who maintains the shr OE overlay? Aug 13 07:32:24 morphis: ok deleted Aug 13 07:32:28 budfive_: its out Aug 13 07:32:34 feel free to try to re-add yourself again :P Aug 13 07:32:38 morphis: ? Aug 13 07:32:45 budfive_: everything is now in the shr/import branch of oe git Aug 13 07:33:06 budfive_: I think you can see it as deleted Aug 13 07:33:08 * mrmoku takes a note to actually wipe out that overlay repo... Aug 13 07:33:14 mrmoku: :) Aug 13 07:33:18 morphis: is it still an overlay on top of something? Aug 13 07:33:35 budfive_: no its a real branch of org.openembedded.dev Aug 13 07:33:43 full complete openembedded Aug 13 07:33:54 just checkout the branch and build shr from it Aug 13 07:34:18 morphis: I see. I've a growing set of patches that I feel are important that upstream doesn't seem to care about. How do I send them for inclusion into shr (or oe in general maybe) Aug 13 07:34:54 budfive_: the best way is to send them to the shr-devel mailinglist Aug 13 07:35:17 we have a patchwork system to include patches which are sent to the ml into the branch Aug 13 07:35:58 morphis: I see. so shr is no longer sitting on top of oe, but rather is a full branch of its own? There are other OE branches, right? Are they merged sometimes? Aug 13 07:36:55 budfive_: I don't know how there merging goes in reality but I think the plan is to maintain the important stuff for shr in shr/import and merge from time to time with the dev branch Aug 13 07:37:16 budfive_: but ask mrmoku, Ainulindale or stefan_schmidt about the reality :) Aug 13 07:37:16 ok. thanks Aug 13 07:38:02 I think it is best you sent your patches to the shr-devel list, then the people who maintaining the shr/import branch can tell you where you patches should go Aug 13 07:38:18 I sent some of them once. Nobody cared. :) Aug 13 07:38:43 hm Aug 13 07:38:47 It was touchscreen scrolling stuff. I now have some others that are unrelated. Aug 13 07:38:59 then ask the developers here directly Aug 13 07:39:06 maybe they are already included? Aug 13 07:39:38 I don't think so. Aug 13 07:39:59 hm, then ask them :) Aug 13 07:40:07 The new stuff I have is much less controversial (the scrolling stuff would have produced a discussion before being included) Aug 13 07:40:19 morphis: ok. thanks a lot. Aug 13 07:40:36 no problem :) Aug 13 07:51:53 hi Aug 13 07:55:40 mrmoku: i'm commiting to my local repo Aug 13 07:57:02 mrmoku: problems with guile!! Aug 13 08:48:40 budfive_: We care Aug 13 08:48:42 We follow patches Aug 13 08:48:58 We may have forgotten one or two in the path but now we have a tool to forget none of them Aug 13 08:49:03 s/path/past/ Aug 13 08:49:03 Ainulindale meant: We may have forgotten one or two in the past but now we have a tool to forget none of them Aug 13 08:51:51 hi Aug 13 08:52:57 good morning everyone. how risky is an okg upgrade on a now month-old shr installation? Aug 13 08:53:03 or should I just reflash? Aug 13 08:54:38 is it safe to use FreeRunner without SIM card? Aug 13 08:54:55 or do I shortsurcuit things? Aug 13 08:55:11 ceda_wrk: no, that's not a problem Aug 13 08:55:14 I do it a lot Aug 13 08:55:19 ceda_wrk: should be safe, worked for me at least Aug 13 08:55:30 ok Aug 13 08:58:03 ceda_wrk: it is safe Aug 13 08:58:32 ceda_wrk: but i had problems with uSD connection. Had to use some kind of "fake sim" (to mechanically push uSD card down). Aug 13 08:59:18 PaulFertser: hey ! Aug 13 08:59:43 Would you happen to know where to fin a NOR GTA02 image? Aug 13 08:59:46 +d Aug 13 09:01:24 The hell? Fresh flash of shr-full image as of aug 08, and it just sits at "Starting Xserver" ... Aug 13 09:02:18 Ainulindale: hey :D Aug 13 09:02:33 viq: do a reboot Aug 13 09:03:21 Ainulindale: no, someone's already asked me about it. Why not use dump from someone's device? https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/gta02/nor-uboot.img <-- mine Aug 13 09:03:49 tobii_: ok, trying Aug 13 09:04:12 Ainulindale: or someone can just compile u-boot using the mknor script iirc. Aug 13 09:04:23 PaulFertser: thanks a lot :-) Aug 13 09:04:26 thanks PaulFertser Aug 13 09:04:40 btw, I think the debug board I have has a problem Aug 13 09:04:53 it shows up the wring USBid Aug 13 09:04:56 Deubeuliou: did you bork your NOR? Aug 13 09:05:05 PaulFertser: (it's for a customer) Aug 13 09:05:28 not mine. I have to flash a NOR for a custimer who's NOR was shippped empty Aug 13 09:05:36 Ainulindale: ah, ok. HTH. If it's not enough i think i can compile a proper NOR image on request. Aug 13 09:11:03 Don't worry :-) Aug 13 09:12:04 PaulFertser: would you be so kind so as to explain to Deubeuliou how to flash it? Aug 13 09:12:15 Seems the script on the wiki uses flash_unlock & such Aug 13 09:12:17 and he doesn't have that Aug 13 09:12:57 Ainulindale: sure Aug 13 09:13:15 thanks Aug 13 09:15:07 Deubeuliou: well, the idea is that one of the output pins of the debug board is pulled to ground. Some special program using libftdi asks the ftdi chip to perform that. Let me find it... Aug 13 09:15:22 I have compiled it Aug 13 09:15:28 ftdi_eeprom ? Aug 13 09:45:33 Deubeuliou: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/norwp/ Aug 13 09:45:50 Deubeuliou: is it enough? (sorry for slow reply) Aug 13 09:46:52 Deubeuliou: also read the beginning of http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/devirginator/mknor Aug 13 09:49:19 I'll take a look Aug 13 09:49:35 thanks Aug 13 09:49:56 Deubeuliou: ping me in case you still have questions. Aug 13 09:55:24 sure :) Aug 13 09:56:55 btw, wikipage updated for the benefit of others. Aug 13 09:58:13 Mirv: ok, thanks a lot. i think it's clear that there's a bug somewhere in the mmap-ing code... Aug 13 10:10:02 hi, how do I import POI from tangogps in JOSM? Aug 13 10:17:09 DocScrutinizer2: I think I brought this up before, but there is an open firmware for some wifi chipset out there, it was on the linux-wireless list. All we confirmed then was it wasn't ar6k Aug 13 10:19:44 Are you having problems with guile-native? Aug 13 10:22:11 Ainulindale: hmm, looking into the upgrade problems on shr-testing Aug 13 10:22:23 Ainulindale: it bails down to connman being the culprit Aug 13 10:22:29 hmmm Aug 13 10:22:31 that is? Aug 13 10:22:52 opkg install connman.... and after connman restarted your phone is a brick :P Aug 13 10:22:59 (and reboot won't help) Aug 13 10:23:03 nice Aug 13 10:23:07 how come? Aug 13 10:23:11 no idea Aug 13 10:23:12 bad postinst or something? Aug 13 10:23:28 the thing actually completely freeezes Aug 13 10:23:31 cat postinst Aug 13 10:23:34 rm -rf / Aug 13 10:23:38 XD Aug 13 10:24:16 no postinst Aug 13 10:24:55 (apart from the inherited update-rc.d one) Aug 13 10:26:20 hmpf Aug 13 10:26:25 Sadly I don't know more about it Aug 13 10:26:50 I have to look into using qemu to test those upgrade fancies Aug 13 10:37:03 yeah, upgrade seems to break more stuff than it fixes ;) Aug 13 10:38:37 for example, no more being able to connect to fso (fsousaged is running, though) Aug 13 10:44:12 Failed to handle dbus error: Resource Device is not enabled, current status is 'enabling', 72 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 Aug 13 10:46:39 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rf85c48ab2183 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_services.py: [services] cosmetic fix for inwin Aug 13 10:46:40 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rfc2f18e9dd09 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_device_timeouts.py: [DeviceTimeouts] use async dbus calls Aug 13 10:46:40 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r27c5e25ffa2d 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_currentprofile.py: [CurrentProfile] use async dbus calls and listen to property changes, not whole profile Aug 13 10:46:41 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rd287933f4cc8 10/TODO: [TODO] update Aug 13 10:46:43 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r0506e7fc77a2 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_services.py: [services] make start/restart/stop buttons centered on screen Aug 13 10:46:49 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * re9888189fbb3 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_services.py: [services] display "Executing..." window Aug 13 10:59:37 DOS, you're spamming ;) Aug 13 11:00:09 :P Aug 13 11:00:35 DocScrutinizer: those are commits deticated to you (async in currentprofile and timeouts), now it shouldn't hang when frameworkd don't respond :P Aug 13 11:00:54 cool Aug 13 11:01:09 who will fix e.g intone? Aug 13 11:01:17 dos1: we've been talking about gps some 12 days ago Aug 13 11:01:21 and a little usability improvement in Services, and speed improvement in CurrentProfile Aug 13 11:01:33 segfaults on start and clciking left toolbar icon Aug 13 11:01:42 dos1: I've found some more stuff about it, for example reproducible wsod when using internal gps, but not when using an external one Aug 13 11:01:47 DocScrutinizer: try rm -rf ~/.intone/ Aug 13 11:01:58 k, will be best Aug 13 11:02:03 blindcoder: hmm, talk to PaulFertser Aug 13 11:02:08 PaulFertser: ping Aug 13 11:02:33 muhahaha iPhone exploded Aug 13 11:02:35 blindcoder: kernel is too low-level for me ;) Aug 13 11:02:43 DocScrutinizer: -v Aug 13 11:02:45 DocScrutinizer: nothing special Aug 13 11:02:48 ;) Aug 13 11:03:01 news Aug 13 11:03:19 DocScrutinizer: got a link? Aug 13 11:03:26 tv Aug 13 11:03:51 ah Aug 13 11:04:36 "started to crackle and make sounds, then display desintegrated into small pieces which hit the using guy in the face and inyured him" Aug 13 11:04:59 inJured Aug 13 11:05:30 i suppose that guy won't buy Apple products anymore ;) Aug 13 11:05:42 unless he is totally insane ;x Aug 13 11:05:52 not shure bout that Aug 13 11:06:28 isn't that prerequisite for bufing apple stuff in the first place? Aug 13 11:06:33 next time he knows what that noise means... ;-) so he can react Aug 13 11:06:48 but... what could cause explosion in *phone*? Aug 13 11:06:50 battery? Aug 13 11:07:06 i guess Aug 13 11:07:54 muahaha, my gf complained that these things always happen when she thinks of buying something ;) Aug 13 11:08:07 looked like bat swelling that simply kicked out the front polycarbonat glass Aug 13 11:09:51 breaking polycarbonat mey jettison sharp high velocity splinters Aug 13 11:10:28 uh Aug 13 11:10:45 * dos1 loves his Freerunner more now :P Aug 13 11:10:55 there is no glass ;) Aug 13 11:11:04 blindcoder: pong Aug 13 11:11:30 blindcoder: tell me about your special street magic Aug 13 11:11:35 TAsn: http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/phoneui Aug 13 11:11:47 TAsn: i added one nice idea regarding contact list Aug 13 11:12:26 dos1: swelling bat also no *real* issue ;-) simply pops off backlid Aug 13 11:12:57 PaulFertser: when I activate the internal gps, after a while I got a wsod recently, and something which looks like interference on a CRT on the display Aug 13 11:13:38 PaulFertser: either it's the gps or the heat in mallorca (35 degrees centigrade) Aug 13 11:14:30 PaulFertser: I later tried at the finca, activated internal gps and let the phone sit on the table, dead after 5 minutes Aug 13 11:14:31 blind Aug 13 11:14:42 PaulFertser: external gps in the same spot worked fine for hours Aug 13 11:14:55 blindcoder: could you readout the CC temp? Aug 13 11:15:12 DocScrutinizer: CC? Aug 13 11:15:16 DocScrutinizer: and how to? Aug 13 11:15:44 I'm back in germany now, though, had no internet access where I was Aug 13 11:16:38 blindcoder: cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/temperature (or something like that) Aug 13 11:16:40 blindcoder: use my bq27k-detail script. run that in a endless loop redir into a file Aug 13 11:17:00 okay, I'll try to Aug 13 11:17:04 blindcoder: the script is at http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/ Aug 13 11:17:10 reproduce the error Aug 13 11:17:19 blindcoder: what do you mean by external GPS? Aug 13 11:17:35 yes Aug 13 11:17:41 good Q Aug 13 11:18:04 Which image type for SHR is recommended? UBIFS or JFFS2? Aug 13 11:18:11 Flyser: jffs2 Aug 13 11:18:40 okay Aug 13 11:18:53 could anybody enlighten me wtf is use of that ubifs images? Aug 13 11:19:59 I would like to be enlightened, too. Aug 13 11:20:48 blindcoder: you needed to "opkg install bash" for the script to run Aug 13 11:29:54 PaulFertser: I got a USB GPS receiver that I used Aug 13 11:32:22 DocScrutinizer: 0x07 - 0x06: 1223 TEMP Reported Temperature High - Low Byte 0.25 °K R Aug 13 11:32:26 erm... Aug 13 11:32:29 a quarter kelvin? Aug 13 11:32:59 yup, sorry not transformed yet Aug 13 11:33:23 okay, just wanted to know if that temperature reading is sane Aug 13 11:34:10 err 0k=-271?? Aug 13 11:34:23 just about, yes Aug 13 11:34:45 so 34.7C Aug 13 11:35:59 don't think I understand your math, but I'll just accept it ;) Aug 13 11:36:30 1223/4 - 271 Aug 13 11:36:48 ah Aug 13 11:38:31 okay, I'm runnig the bq* script every other second >> templog with timestamp, just activated gps and am now waiting Aug 13 11:39:48 cool Aug 13 11:40:20 though every 10sec is more than enough ;-L Aug 13 11:40:25 ;-) Aug 13 11:41:34 running script every second might even have side-effects (cpu load warming up device) Aug 13 11:42:41 though I have to say I have no idea how "expensive" that script is Aug 13 11:54:42 DocScrutinizer: 273,15 K = 0 °C ;) Aug 13 11:55:00 aah, thanks Aug 13 11:55:04 np Aug 13 11:56:28 so I was off by 2 degree C Aug 13 11:56:35 or K Aug 13 11:56:35 jupp Aug 13 11:59:21 40y agonI was better with such things. nowadays you can google for it and even that is too much for me ;-) Aug 13 12:00:28 * DocScrutinizer makes a notice to retrain all his constants on a boring sunday afternoon Aug 13 12:00:55 =) Aug 13 12:03:33 PaulFertser: I tried "norwp" but it seems that I can turn the "write" bit high or down regardless whether a phone is connected to the board or not Aug 13 12:03:52 Deubeuliou: that's right Aug 13 12:04:12 plus, the flashing script uses /dev/mtd but I can't figure how to do to have this device Aug 13 12:04:13 huh? Aug 13 12:04:34 I only get a /dev/ttyACM, as usual when booting to the nand u-boot Aug 13 12:04:37 Deubeuliou: you should run the script on FR itself Aug 13 12:04:45 Deubeuliou: and norwp on host Aug 13 12:05:14 host == my PC ? Aug 13 12:05:25 Deubeuliou: yes, the one you have debug board connected to. Aug 13 12:05:31 ok Aug 13 12:05:43 PaulFertser and Deubeuliou seem to plan doing *nasty* things to my babies XD Aug 13 12:06:05 ok, /dev/mtd is the NOR memory of the FR ? Aug 13 12:06:07 DocScrutinizer: just writing nor for one of the customers Aug 13 12:06:18 Deubeuliou: /dev/mtd0 , yes Aug 13 12:06:23 aah, that's ok then :) Aug 13 12:06:32 ;) DocScrutinizer Aug 13 12:07:27 PaulFertser: random question: how about making udev create /dev/mtd/nor? after all kernel has name of the mtd device ;-) Aug 13 12:07:51 lindi-: too rarely used to be of any importance but of course possible Aug 13 12:08:24 I guess might be related to the uBoot mtdparts stuff Aug 13 12:08:37 PaulFertser, DocScrutinizer: the phone hasn't died yet, but the battery temperature increased by over 11 degrees Aug 13 12:08:49 it's now at 43.1 Aug 13 12:09:06 as I managed to bomb my mtdblobk6 recently, by editing nand env ;) Aug 13 12:09:08 blindcoder: that's still ok Aug 13 12:09:31 PaulFertser: yeah, but the air temp here in berlin is considerably lower than in palma de mallorca Aug 13 12:09:36 blindcoder: that's still expected behaviour Aug 13 12:09:45 PaulFertser: over there we had 35 to 40 degrees air temp, here we got 25 Aug 13 12:10:04 unfortunately I'm not there anymore Aug 13 12:10:37 so you need to use your oven then XD Aug 13 12:10:40 blindcoder: you liked the hight ambient temp? Aug 13 12:11:15 PaulFertser: not much, actually, but taking vacation in a backwater mallorcan town (betlem) was very nice Aug 13 12:11:16 PaulFertser: seen the audio schem? Aug 13 12:12:05 DocScrutinizer: not yet, is it the wiki page about audio subsystem? Aug 13 12:12:11 blindcoder: at least no bombs there Aug 13 12:12:23 DocScrutinizer: indeed :) Aug 13 12:12:28 PaulFertser: gta02-core ml Aug 13 12:12:32 * blindcoder .oO( fr in the oven... ) Aug 13 12:12:46 anyway, bbl, gotta go shopping (SIGGF received) Aug 13 12:13:20 blindcoder: make sure to let temp settle at ~40C ;-) Aug 13 12:32:12 DocScrutinizer or PaulFertser : what is the difference between the two USB ports of the debug board ? Aug 13 12:32:36 none? Aug 13 12:32:41 ok Aug 13 12:32:42 DocScrutinizer: yes, non Aug 13 12:32:58 Deubeuliou: connected to different ports of integrated usb-hub Aug 13 12:34:46 Deubeuliou: you got the schematics of debubo? Aug 13 12:35:04 ok. if I just copy the script and the nor image to the FR and laucnh the script, I get a write error, of course. Aug 13 12:35:31 if I plug the FR to the D-board, launch norpw and then laucnsh the script by hand directly on the FR, same result Aug 13 12:36:26 and when the FR is connected to the d-board, I can't ssh to it Aug 13 12:38:56 a hub often is blocking correct operation of ttyACM, you should connect device to a laptop usb-port directly Aug 13 12:39:33 don't ask me why it's like that Aug 13 12:40:53 I alrady tried that Aug 13 12:41:33 I know that a d-board is necessary to flash the NOR, but I can't figure how to use it to do that Aug 13 12:52:18 wpwrak: au secours! Aug 13 12:53:18 http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/devirginator/mknor Aug 13 12:53:39 in the comments at the beginning, there's also a description of the flashing process Aug 13 12:53:55 wpwrak: I tried that Aug 13 12:54:00 but that doesn't work Aug 13 12:55:09 I get a write error Aug 13 12:56:28 darn gprs is slow and shaky Aug 13 12:56:36 Deubeuliou: describe what you do step-by-step Aug 13 12:56:49 wpwrak: i've already provided him with all links to your cool software ;) Aug 13 12:57:23 the wifi seems to be stable though, the ath5k-thing on my Acer Aspire One is so unstable I use my FreeRunner as a wlan-gateway/modem :) Aug 13 12:57:24 first: plug the FR to my computer in order to scp flashnor and the image you gave me Aug 13 12:57:43 second: plug the d-board to my computer and th fr to the d-board Aug 13 12:58:26 third: launch "sudo ./norpw rw", which exits with no error. I confirmed that by "sudo ./norpw", which printed "rw" Aug 13 12:58:49 fourth: chmod +x flashnor Aug 13 12:59:23 fifth: manually launched, on the FR "./flashnor nor-uboot.img" Aug 13 12:59:53 got: "cat: write error: Input/output error" Aug 13 13:00:17 Deubeuliou: does your debug board have an array of holes (for a header) next to the FPC connector ? Aug 13 13:01:12 which reminds me I'm short on debug-boards Aug 13 13:01:23 it's av3 if that's the question. it has several holes ner it, yes Aug 13 13:01:39 2*5 and 2*2 Aug 13 13:02:07 Deubeuliou: do you have serial console access via the dev board? Aug 13 13:02:20 I have no idea Aug 13 13:02:29 Deubeuliou: because if you don't that means you don't have cable plugged properly or something like that. Aug 13 13:02:33 Deubeuliou: so it should work. hmm ... Aug 13 13:02:38 it's the first time I use one Aug 13 13:02:55 sheeesh, no decent transit suspend->resume today (for my brain) get me another coffee, bbl Aug 13 13:03:15 Deubeuliou: when you power the debug board you should have /dev/ttyACM0 appear iirc, just connect to it with your favourite terminal emulator. Aug 13 13:03:25 it is plugged: the FR sees it has an usb connection Aug 13 13:03:32 ok Aug 13 13:03:46 Deubeuliou: do you plug the debug board to FR itself and use it as master? :-O Aug 13 13:03:57 you mean, when booting into the nand bootloader ? Aug 13 13:04:02 Deubeuliou: or do you connect FR to the usb port on Debug board? Aug 13 13:04:26 ? what is the difference ? Aug 13 13:04:30 Deubeuliou: have you actually used the flexicable to connect FR to the dboard? ;) Aug 13 13:04:52 the one shipped in the box ? Aug 13 13:04:53 no Aug 13 13:04:57 wpwrak: that would explain everything :D Aug 13 13:04:59 Deubeuliou: the only real test of the cable is if you can talk to the Neo via serial, i.e., PC->USB->debug->FPC->neo(console) Aug 13 13:05:01 Deubeuliou: man :D Aug 13 13:05:07 ;-)))) Aug 13 13:05:11 what ? it's not a regular cable ? Aug 13 13:05:17 uh Aug 13 13:05:18 Deubeuliou: sure not. it's FPC Aug 13 13:05:21 sorry Aug 13 13:05:30 I thought you were speaking about USB Aug 13 13:05:30 PaulFertser: I recommended to plug FR to laptop directly Aug 13 13:05:37 Deubeuliou: you take the front cover from FR, and connect the FPC to dboard and debug connector on FR. Aug 13 13:05:52 DocScrutinizer: why? Bad experience with integrated usb hub? Aug 13 13:05:58 yup Aug 13 13:06:01 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-installer * re19f4e337d10 10/TODO: Update TODO. Aug 13 13:06:06 sometimes borks Aug 13 13:06:21 i guess the existence of otherwise functionless dongles to "protect" features sets certain expectations :) Aug 13 13:06:27 DocScrutinizer: during the F9C i didn't use it too. Just no reason to have some extra point of failure when you have enough spare usb ports. Aug 13 13:06:37 ok so ... I have to get the front cover away ? Aug 13 13:06:44 Deubeuliou: read the wiki ;) Aug 13 13:06:52 Deubeuliou: find some torx screwdriver etc. Aug 13 13:07:15 Deubeuliou: disassembling neo1973 is the article you need Aug 13 13:07:15 well, I thought this could be done with the USB, even though I found that some strange and "magic" :p Aug 13 13:07:18 ok Aug 13 13:10:31 Deubeuliou: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Connecting_Neo1973_with_Debug_Board_v2 Aug 13 13:10:48 Deubeuliou: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board_v3 Aug 13 13:10:56 ok Aug 13 13:10:57 :-/ Aug 13 13:11:03 sorry Aug 13 13:16:09 PaulFertser: ""You can charge the phone (100mA slow charge) using that downstream port."" Aug 13 13:16:22 PaulFertser: for just one point Aug 13 13:16:39 DocScrutinizer: i'm not sure it's that true, need to consult schematics Aug 13 13:17:30 opened :) Aug 13 13:17:48 Deubeuliou: do not twist the cable, it's fragile Aug 13 13:18:03 And push it fully and properly in the connectors and don't forget to lock. Aug 13 13:18:41 I guess I need to get the PCB out, in order not to damage the cable ? Aug 13 13:18:46 Deubeuliou: no Aug 13 13:18:49 ok Aug 13 13:28:59 PaulFertser: DocScrutinizer wpwrak thanks a lot, it worked :) Aug 13 13:29:12 :-) Aug 13 13:29:34 Deubeuliou: congratulations ! Aug 13 13:29:49 Deubeuliou: it wasn't that hard was it ;) Aug 13 13:30:44 nope :p it's just that i'm not used to electronics yet Aug 13 13:31:09 so it makes adrenaline come up, the first time opening Aug 13 13:31:23 there's an old yet true saying: RTFM ;-P Aug 13 13:32:08 yeah, but the procedure isn't very clear Aug 13 13:32:14 I read the wiki several times Aug 13 13:33:41 make a list of your misconceptions and problems you encountered reading the wiki, and some savvy persob might be tempted to improve the wiki Aug 13 13:34:04 I think I will add some lines by myself Aug 13 13:37:16 as long as those are axactly descriptive lines telling about your experience that's ok as well. Please refrain though from editing supposedly incorrect parts, as you might be the one who got it wrong, and the wiki in fact correct Aug 13 13:40:53 I'll just explain that the FPC should be plugged, with link to the dedicated page and precise that functions like flash_erase, flash_unlock are already on the FR Aug 13 13:41:35 and if no, I'll look for a link for them Aug 13 13:43:31 which reminds me... Aug 13 13:44:01 mrmoku: what's your schedule wrt uBoot-env-edit utility? Aug 13 13:45:13 I'd actually appreciate to have that utility right now, as editing env via minicom and uboot console is a *real* pita Aug 13 13:45:41 hehe... fiddling with u-boot env myself right now :P Aug 13 13:45:51 trying to get qemu up and running Aug 13 13:46:17 mrmoku: fixing my messed-up mtdparts and loglevel still pending here Aug 13 13:47:51 mrmoku: sorry I'm a real dummy when it comes to bb reciepes, so all I can do is ask for it Aug 13 13:47:59 pretty please :-) Aug 13 13:49:07 * dos1 just registered to PayPal Aug 13 13:49:34 well, if someone wants to make donation, then go ahead! :D Aug 13 13:51:46 mrmoku: another patch for packagekit (not just backport from git HEAD, as they fixed one bug reported by me), i'll sent after testing Aug 13 13:51:52 s/not/now Aug 13 14:02:50 heyho Aug 13 14:07:21 dos1 meant: anowher patch for packagekit (not just... Aug 13 14:07:35 ~botsnack Aug 13 14:07:36 DocScrutinizer: thanks Aug 13 14:08:30 DocScrutinizer: no, it was my faults Aug 13 14:08:41 it should be s/not/now/ <- Aug 13 14:08:52 s/faults/fault/ Aug 13 14:08:54 ;P Aug 13 14:09:31 you're puzzling me Aug 13 14:11:25 should've been: s/not /now / Aug 13 14:12:04 or even s/ot /ow / Aug 13 14:12:43 nah, babbling. nevermind Aug 13 14:13:04 no Aug 13 14:13:07 i wrote: Aug 13 14:13:09 s/not/now Aug 13 14:13:13 but it should be: Aug 13 14:13:15 s/not/now/ Aug 13 14:13:19 not testing Aug 13 14:13:21 s/not/now/ Aug 13 14:13:21 dos1 meant: now testing Aug 13 14:13:24 :) Aug 13 14:13:36 just typo ;) Aug 13 14:13:42 another one not Aug 13 14:13:47 s/not/now/ Aug 13 14:13:49 DocScrutinizer meant: anowher one not Aug 13 14:14:18 ;) Aug 13 14:14:21 DocScrutinizer, opkg install u-boot-utils Aug 13 14:14:36 wooooooooooooooooooow!!! :-))))) Aug 13 14:14:52 mrmoku: could you add checksum of packagekit-0.5.1 tarball? Aug 13 14:14:52 mille mille gracie! Aug 13 14:15:26 DocScrutinizer, np, hope it works Aug 13 14:15:34 dos1, yup Aug 13 14:15:41 we'll now in a bit Aug 13 14:15:47 ok, thanks :) Aug 13 14:17:30 Know Aug 13 14:19:27 FSCK! framework borked once again :-((( Aug 13 14:20:23 settings-connectivity hangs on "loading 4 modules" (yes dos1 I know... Just for describing symptom) Aug 13 14:20:54 seems abyss or ogsmd or sth still rather fishy Aug 13 14:23:37 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd hangs forever (or till dbus timeout?) Aug 13 14:24:11 or until ^\ Aug 13 14:24:55 DocScrutinizer: i'll look if GPRS module does sync or async call on loading Aug 13 14:25:00 ps ax ! grep gsm -> nottin Aug 13 14:29:09 http://pastebin.com/f2c67219d Aug 13 14:29:14 DocScrutinizer: sync, fixing Aug 13 14:30:35 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r105027159302 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_gprs.py: [GPRS] use async dbus calls Aug 13 14:36:03 http://pastebin.com/ff1865d5 Aug 13 14:37:05 mrmoku: patch sent Aug 13 14:37:51 mickey|sports: (didn't I tell you too much sports is dangerous? ;-) Please see above two pastebins. Seems ogsmd vanishes from 'ps ax' as well as from dbus (at least doesn't respond) on inbound call during GPRS active Aug 13 14:38:24 mrmoku: please also rebuild elementary-theme-niebiee :) Aug 13 14:38:26 DocScrutinizer: ogsmd is part of frameworkd, it's never a dedicated process. Aug 13 14:38:29 ans shr-settings Aug 13 14:38:33 s/ans/and/ Aug 13 14:38:33 dos1 meant: and shr-settings Aug 13 14:39:00 DocScrutinizer: ps ax | grep python, if frameworkd is present then nothing vanished ;P Aug 13 14:39:13 PaulFertser: ooh, so it seems complete frameworkd is borked then? Aug 13 14:39:15 dos1, soon yeah Aug 13 14:39:22 building some other stuff first Aug 13 14:39:42 ok Aug 13 14:40:16 PaulFertser: i'm a little uncertain if i should find that RANJAN guy annoying or impressive :) he surely asks a lot of questions, but then he also does seem to make good progress, which isn't like the usual pattern with people who ask questions like this. Aug 13 14:41:19 DocScrutinizer: right Aug 13 14:41:19 PaulFertser: http://pastebin.com/f3c6898b3. The process state looks weird Aug 13 14:41:41 wpwrak: yes, that's what puzzling me too. Aug 13 14:41:49 mrmoku: and shr-installer :D Aug 13 14:42:05 wpwrak: i don't even know how to act properly when faced with persons like that... Probably i should just ignore him the next time... Aug 13 14:44:27 PaulFertser: the usual pattern is that they ask one reasonably-sounding question and when you answer, you get a dozen more in private, each of them suggesting that whatever they're trying to do is way beyond their capabilities. so after giving them the benefit of the doubt for a few times, i tend to just ignore them :) Aug 13 14:44:27 hehe (ranjan) I know those fellas Aug 13 14:45:03 DocScrutinizer: he's different, though: he does make progress, and he seem to largely stay on the public lists Aug 13 14:45:54 DocScrutinizer: maybe leecher v2.0 :) Aug 13 14:45:59 hmm, prolly the india way (ruled by the name, and as it fits my stereotype) Aug 13 14:46:11 Yes, a very strange guy. And his questions are really weird and sometimes stupid... Is he from India? I thought they knew proper English so language shouldn't be a problem. Aug 13 14:46:31 inda == pidgin Aug 13 14:46:37 no proper english Aug 13 14:47:37 * DocScrutinizer curses framework, reboots his FR, and prepares a third coffe. Damn that stuff should really start to kick in eventually Aug 13 14:51:06 DocScrutinizer: i have a script to kill everything frameworkd-related and to start that again. That says something about it, doesn't it ;) Aug 13 14:51:28 yep Aug 13 14:51:49 looks like frameworkd has just problems with handling gprs disconnection ;x Aug 13 14:52:38 (stuff kick in) DUH 6% soluble coffe. THAT'S INFERIOR QUALITY OF CHEMICAL WASTE! (me back to good 16% stuff) Aug 13 14:54:55 dos1: first of all it shouldn't disconnect on inbound calls, I'd say. Aug 13 14:55:24 DocScrutinizer: does it disconnect? when i was testing it it worked :x Aug 13 14:55:27 DocScrutinizer: well, it doesn't Aug 13 14:55:48 DocScrutinizer: the gprs stalls and you answer the call. After that the session usually continues. Aug 13 14:56:03 well *I* didn't trigger any gprs-disconnect at 14:23 Aug 13 14:56:26 DocScrutinizer: that's bug then :P Aug 13 14:56:35 still the logs seem to suggest it tries disconnecting Aug 13 14:57:39 DocScrutinizer: probably your pppd didn't like the stall that lasted too long? Aug 13 14:58:18 no idea, just remember I seen some pppd lines in logs, yeah Aug 13 14:59:39 well the call was no longer than a few (maybe 4) minutes. Still that might be enough for pppd to try and tear down the connection (which prolly fails boldly during call :-D ) Aug 13 15:00:56 mickey|ironman: ping!!! Aug 13 15:01:16 wjbaird: hi Aug 13 15:01:37 PaulFerster: Hello! Aug 13 15:02:13 wjbaird: fsoraw is not the same as writing a script like that... Probably something akin to (if you add a call to set resource policy to Auto again) but not nearly as elegant and "correct". Aug 13 15:02:56 well - I know it's not identical, or correct... But it seemed like Arne wasn't grokking the concept, and I *think* that the concept is pretty similar, isn't it? Aug 13 15:03:28 NO it ISN'T Aug 13 15:03:37 wjbaird: refcounting! Aug 13 15:03:53 exactly Aug 13 15:03:59 and kill -9 Aug 13 15:04:10 you are saying the mdbus call does't refcount? Aug 13 15:04:34 wjbaird: how it could refcount? Aug 13 15:04:43 wjbaird: resource is released when client vanishes Aug 13 15:04:49 mdbus vanishes immediately after call Aug 13 15:05:00 so it requests, but then immedaitely releases Aug 13 15:05:18 unless you are using SetResourcePolicy, but then you don't have refcounting by design Aug 13 15:05:20 that's why I "invented" fsoraw Aug 13 15:05:22 so if you call mdbus ... Enabled three times and then call Disabled, then the service is immediately disabled? Aug 13 15:05:35 wjbaird: sure. Have you read the page in question? Aug 13 15:05:39 exactly Aug 13 15:05:52 wjbaird: i was 100% sure that a sane man like you can understand it. Aug 13 15:06:01 ;) Aug 13 15:06:23 :-) I did... but my understanding was that the Enabled basically inc'd the ref count, and Disabled would dec it... Aug 13 15:06:27 my bad... Aug 13 15:07:12 wjbaird: Request and Release does refcounting Aug 13 15:08:06 wjbaird: aha, i see how the page can be misinterpreted now.. Aug 13 15:08:18 coding question: I'm trying to compile something that tests a char != EOF; the compiler tells me it will always be true due to limited range of data type; I read that that is a normal issue with ARM; any ideas how to modify the code to correct it? it's in a loop that reads from a serial port until some conditions are met, one of which is EOF Aug 13 15:08:48 wjbaird: the resource policy is explained only in the specs, not on the page itself. Aug 13 15:09:03 net_tux: not on arm, everywhere Aug 13 15:09:10 net_tux: get_char() return int! Aug 13 15:09:15 PaulFertser: I must admit I haven't gone so far as to read the specs... Aug 13 15:09:22 net_tux: getchar() of course. Aug 13 15:09:29 wjbaird: so sorry, my fault... Aug 13 15:09:55 PaulFertser: ok - so, what's the proper way to test for end of file? Aug 13 15:10:03 net_tux: take care on char vs unsigned char too. char are signed char by default on arm iirc Aug 13 15:10:21 net_tux: (c = getchar()) != EOF or the like Aug 13 15:10:44 ok - thanks Aug 13 15:11:02 rtp: i think unsigned chars should be avoided anyway. uint8_t is there for you when you do something lowlevel. Aug 13 15:11:09 net_tux: declare "c" as int, not char Aug 13 15:11:32 PaulFertser: yeah, make thing clearer Aug 13 15:11:35 PaulFertser: no probs. Arguably I should have done more reading before jumping on the thread... Aug 13 15:13:14 wjbaird: can you please reread the page now? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources i added more "stolen" text. :) Is it better finally? Aug 13 15:13:27 wjbaird: thanks for the sane feedback btw! Aug 13 15:13:44 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources#Manual_way Aug 13 15:14:05 ouch, collision? Aug 13 15:14:18 DocScrutinizer: heh, i was first ;) Aug 13 15:14:29 DocScrutinizer: i added more text from specs about resource policies. Aug 13 15:15:00 so your edits in there, or did I kill them? Aug 13 15:15:01 PaulFertser: btw, your battery patches has been merged, right ? Aug 13 15:15:20 PaulFerster: Np. I'm not sure who's version of the page I just read, but it definitely looks better... Aug 13 15:15:21 DocScrutinizer: my edits are already there Aug 13 15:15:22 rtp: yes Aug 13 15:15:41 wiki is *so* cute ;-D Aug 13 15:16:16 PaulFertser: ok. great. I got my buzzfixed gta02 back few days ago so this is something I want to test once I get a usable shr unstable :) Aug 13 15:16:21 DocScrutinizer: i like your edit :) Aug 13 15:16:32 :-) Aug 13 15:16:49 rtp: do you want to use a dumb battery there? Or are you talking about something else? Aug 13 15:17:04 DocScrutinizer: btw, Rask confirmed my suspicion that pcf50606 won't restart charging :( Aug 13 15:17:18 damn :-( Aug 13 15:17:58 PaulFertser: yeah, dumb battery stuff as it's the kind of battery I'm using as fallback :) Aug 13 15:18:29 PaulFertser: on topic: http://pastebin.com/ff1865d5 see last line :-((( STILL there Aug 13 15:18:36 rtp: shr settings already support manual switching btw ;) Aug 13 15:18:58 PaulFertser: thought you told you fixed that CRAP? Aug 13 15:19:16 rtp: (about shr-settings) yup, insert dumb battery and then shr-settings->Power->Battery->Switch to dumb battery driver Aug 13 15:19:18 :) Aug 13 15:19:57 dos1: great. looks a nice feature :) Aug 13 15:20:06 DocScrutinizer: i fixed crap in kernel, not in mickey's kernel26.py ;) Aug 13 15:20:25 errr.... ??? Aug 13 15:20:44 DocScrutinizer: i've no idea when that line appears and why. Do you see it in dmesg? Aug 13 15:21:03 if kernel doesn't do that braindamaged timer-ting anymore, how could mickey print out a msg about it Aug 13 15:21:05 ? Aug 13 15:21:24 DocScrutinizer: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=c31a0fec70c7ab1f9d0a5846abb31b80274e6914 Aug 13 15:21:30 PaulFertser: kernel emitting a kevent (or whatever it's called) Aug 13 15:22:20 DocScrutinizer: i need to read kernel26.pf to say why that happens Aug 13 15:23:24 PaulFertser: the commit look good, precise, and to the point. No objections on that. Seems it didn't propagate into what we run on shr88 yet Aug 13 15:23:57 DocScrutinizer: probably it was a legit message then? pcf50633 kicked in itself Aug 13 15:24:22 might be Aug 13 15:24:53 so we needed to check that, and fix the message text (mickey that is?) ;-P Aug 13 15:25:53 I might do a little fancy and run a script to check Aug 13 15:25:58 got it; was actually pack_getc from the allegro library which returns an int in the first place; changing see to an int and then casting it to a char before it was assigned to part of a char array seems to have made the compiler happy; hopefully it will run correctly Aug 13 15:26:17 s/see/c/ Aug 13 15:26:17 net_tux meant: got it; was actually pack_getc from the allegro library which returns an int in the first place; changing c to an int and then casting it to a char before it was assigned to part of a char array seems to have made the compiler happy; hopefully it will run... Aug 13 15:26:54 DocScrutinizer: there's another funny stuff: when i use the dumb battery driver and it charges the battery fully and then i unplug the charger, the blue led still stays on, draining my battery! Aug 13 15:27:22 muhahah. yaml Aug 13 15:28:05 DocScrutinizer: not only Aug 13 15:28:28 " With connman+mokonnect I have had ZERO success, so if it works for someone, either Aug 13 15:28:29 that person has made some undocumented adjustment he can't remember or the current Aug 13 15:28:31 versions don't work and he's not running them." Aug 13 15:28:39 i love people who make assumptions they don't understand... Aug 13 15:28:56 dos1: yeah, I thought that was a bit of a leap... Aug 13 15:29:27 (connman+mokonnect don't work to mee too, but that sentence is still crappy :P) Aug 13 15:29:40 DocScrutinizer: http://paste.debian.net/44074/ Aug 13 15:29:58 hm mokonnect worked for me some time ago but not now ;< Aug 13 15:30:24 damn, can't even dring this good 16% stuff without being interrupted ;-P Aug 13 15:30:32 drinK Aug 13 15:32:04 PaulFertser: very eloquent explanation :-/ Aug 13 15:33:03 PaulFertser: seems the semantics spec is crap or nonexistent on this? Aug 13 15:33:18 DocScrutinizer: so you see that after my dumb battery is charged, charging is stopped, the status is discharging but the frameworkd still assumes it's full and that the user will be happy to see the blue led and when i unplug the charger nothing happens obviously because the status was already discharging. Aug 13 15:33:31 PaulFertser: or the majority of devels doesn't understand Aug 13 15:33:48 I'd just prefer to have raw status value exported to the rules engine. Aug 13 15:34:46 yes, my words. Don't mess with status. It's userland task to interpret it correctly Aug 13 15:35:52 DocScrutinizer: but frameworkd is userland, so mickey decided that it's legitimate to mess with it in a "user-friendly" way. Aug 13 15:36:17 :x Aug 13 15:38:52 morning Aug 13 15:38:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re2d9ce1b8baa 10/fsousaged/ (10 files in 6 dirs): fsousaged: add skeleton for lowlevel plugins implementing suspend/resume handling Aug 13 15:39:12 hey mickeyl :-) Aug 13 15:39:52 mickeyl: seen my remark in opie? Aug 13 15:40:17 mickeyl: as well as backscroll here (~1h) Aug 13 15:41:28 what exactly is happening? Aug 13 15:41:51 you have an active gprs connection and receive a call, what then? Aug 13 15:41:53 frameworkd freezing Aug 13 15:42:07 obviously Aug 13 15:42:10 freezing is bad. Aug 13 15:42:17 mickeyl: hi :) Aug 13 15:42:17 yoh Aug 13 15:42:22 hi PaulFertser Aug 13 15:42:41 the only freezes i encountered were "thanks" to some process control deadlocks w/ ppp Aug 13 15:42:51 i always wanted to get rid of ppp Aug 13 15:43:03 but it's not that simple, there's no library for that stuff Aug 13 15:43:21 we already decided to accuse pppd to be the bad guy ;-D Aug 13 15:43:41 mickeyl: yes, i can confirm that when sometimes pppd is not present anymore i get DBusError trying to reenable gprs. Aug 13 15:47:02 mickeyl: low-level suspend/resume handling plugins? sounds intriguing Aug 13 15:47:18 mickeyl: i guess process control in *nix systems is pretty much tested and robust enough. :-/ Aug 13 15:47:32 lol Aug 13 15:48:46 you always can get a A controls B controls C controls A deadlock Aug 13 15:48:58 PaulFertser: i thought so as well... Aug 13 15:49:33 (lowlevel suspend resume) that's preparing for the busy / vs. idle resume reason Aug 13 15:49:39 mickeyl: probably porting to python3 would solve all the issues ;) Aug 13 15:49:42 hahaha Aug 13 15:49:46 hardly ;) Aug 13 15:50:29 if we come across something that allows us to ppp without an external process, I'm willing to use that when fsogsmd is due Aug 13 15:50:49 since these days we do the basic setup/teardown on our own anyways Aug 13 15:51:00 actually in complex systems this kind of deadlocks is rather common as you don't always see the whole picture Aug 13 15:51:03 we just need connection negotiation and forwarding packets to kernel Aug 13 15:52:46 * DocScrutinizer opkg update; opkg install u-boot-utils Aug 13 15:53:10 PaulFertser: ^ the solution to your loglevel problems Aug 13 15:53:36 also greatly simplifies a default ramconsole Aug 13 15:54:38 DocScrutinizer: with so many lusers (and folks wishing to help them) nothing will work (sad smile) Aug 13 15:56:15 :-/ Aug 13 15:56:30 * DocScrutinizer assumes PF is right on that one Aug 13 16:04:18 hhhhhmmmm... should RTFM of fw_printenv. "Warning: Bad CRC, using default environment" Aug 13 16:04:54 this "default env" is somewhat... errr rudimentary Aug 13 16:05:04 sparsely populated Aug 13 16:05:34 might be caused by NOR boot Aug 13 16:05:44 rtfm Aug 13 16:08:44 * DocScrutinizer wonders how a ipk package to cleanly install all the manpages of actually installed apps/utils should work and look like Aug 13 16:09:02 mrmoku: do you know about such package? Aug 13 16:09:26 mrmoku: patch sent ;) Aug 13 16:12:35 * DocScrutinizer curses opkg list|grep man Aug 13 16:16:00 http://asset.soup.io/asset/0417/1891_5051.jpeg ;) Aug 13 16:17:21 no manpages :-/ Aug 13 16:17:31 what a .... bummer Aug 13 16:18:54 DocScrutinizer: I may be wrong on that but I think all docs are removed from ipk when building them Aug 13 16:19:23 a device in my palm with 750 times the storage of my first linux box, and no manpages on it ;-( Aug 13 16:20:01 that's a *real* bummer Aug 13 16:20:22 rtp: I guess you're right Aug 13 16:20:53 docs are taking a lot of space so for device with very small space (like gta01 :P) it's a bad idea to have them Aug 13 16:21:18 as OE was never meant for having any console (it's *embedded* after all) so why would we need manpages? FSCK Aug 13 16:22:19 it was before oe. I don't remember seeing man pages on familiar Aug 13 16:22:44 rtp: somepackage-doc Aug 13 16:23:10 s/rtp/DocScrutinizer/ Aug 13 16:23:11 dos1 meant: DocScrutinizer: somepackage-doc Aug 13 16:23:13 dos1: tell that to DocScrutinizer please. I don't want docs. :) Aug 13 16:23:22 :P Aug 13 16:23:54 aaaah, dos you might make my day another time Aug 13 16:24:03 opkg install *-doc Aug 13 16:24:22 mrmoku: http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/20/ Aug 13 16:24:31 mrmoku: mickeyl said it's applied ;) Aug 13 16:25:23 hmm... "4751 of 7016".. I might succeed building a image today Aug 13 16:27:18 * DocScrutinizer wondering if those pckgs will pull (1) man as a dependency Aug 13 16:28:32 no man cmd :-(( Aug 13 16:29:06 dos1, I know... but we don't have it yet in our tree Aug 13 16:29:12 I left it there as reminder Aug 13 16:29:14 ok Aug 13 16:29:25 dos1, btw.... your stuff is in the feed Aug 13 16:29:31 mrmoku: add man and man-pages to feed Aug 13 16:29:34 mrmoku: thanks :) Aug 13 16:29:56 hi people.. what's cornucopia status? Aug 13 16:29:58 mrmoku: "opkg install bash-doc; man bash -> man: not found; busybox man bash -> man: applet not found Aug 13 16:30:07 " :-/ ?? Aug 13 16:30:16 DocScrutinizer: there is man recipe, looks like it just isn't built Aug 13 16:30:26 DocScrutinizer: [18:29] mrmoku: add man and man-pages to feed Aug 13 16:30:31 ;) Aug 13 16:30:37 yup, thnx Aug 13 16:31:09 admiral0: we're already using fsousaged from cornucopia in SHR (and fso/ms5.5 does it too) Aug 13 16:31:32 dos1: hi Aug 13 16:31:37 PaulFertser: too bad. "dev_info(pcf->dev, "Masking IRQ %d\n", irq);" on pcf50606. should rather be dev_dbg :( Aug 13 16:31:45 dos1: i know that, but in rest? Aug 13 16:31:53 i have ab idea :-) Aug 13 16:31:59 admiral0: fsodeviced is close to be done AFAIK Aug 13 16:32:11 fsogsmd? Aug 13 16:32:25 rtp: ack Aug 13 16:32:34 that's staying python isn't it? Aug 13 16:33:06 admiral0: i think fsogsmd will come much later Aug 13 16:33:16 :\ Aug 13 16:34:04 but i don't think that's ogsmd which introduces much latency Aug 13 16:34:35 it's not that Aug 13 16:35:01 it's that i have to package frameworkd and cornucopia Aug 13 16:35:16 admiral0: so? Aug 13 16:35:30 ah Aug 13 16:35:31 ok Aug 13 16:35:33 i got Aug 13 16:35:46 frameworkd is a little demanding in depends Aug 13 16:36:12 and i always get errors about them when it's already packaged Aug 13 16:36:53 but i think it's really long time before complete cornucopia (opimd, oeventsd and others also need to be replaced) Aug 13 16:36:59 and that's one thing i hate about python Aug 13 16:37:21 rtp: yes, i think you're right. Aug 13 16:40:35 PaulFertser: if I manage to build my image, I'll look at making a patch. I would not be surprised to see something similar in other place :( Aug 13 16:42:19 rtp: i just looked at all the messages that bothered me and changed them. As i don't have gta01 no pcf50606 was included in that "analisys". Aug 13 16:42:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r74faa2ad19a0 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/object.vala: libfsoframework: object: show name of logger domain on debug Aug 13 16:42:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7322a9dae3b0 10/fsousaged/src/ (9 files in 5 dirs): Aug 13 16:42:42 freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: controller: infrastructure for lowlevel plugin done. To add a certain plugin as lowlevel suspend/resume plugin, you have to do the following: Aug 13 16:42:42 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Make it loaded at all by adding its name to the conf file, e.g. [fsousage.lowlevel_kernel26] or [fsousage.lowlevel_openmoko] Aug 13 16:42:44 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Chose which plugin to use for suspend/resume in [fsousaged] by adding (e.g.) Aug 13 16:42:47 freesmartphone.org: lowlevel_type = kernel26 Aug 13 16:42:49 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: kernel26 is the default, if the lowlevel_type entry is not present. Aug 13 16:42:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7da7a6749aa3 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala: fsousaged: controller: use DBus constants as defined in fsoframework-2.0.vapi Aug 13 16:43:42 PaulFertser: ok Aug 13 16:45:14 fwiw, nothing will stay python, just a matter of time, order and priorities, when it's going to be rewritten in Vala Aug 13 16:45:23 "fsousaged_git.bb failed" :( Aug 13 16:48:16 mickeyl: lowlevel plugins hooray! :-) Aug 13 16:49:34 i'm writing gathering the resume reason now Aug 13 16:49:37 panicking is working on glamo support on android, i wonder if he has any success with that Aug 13 16:50:02 and when that works, we can add triggering the idlenotifier after resume Aug 13 16:52:42 mickeyl: yo, assumed that path Aug 13 16:53:20 mickeyl: gathering resumereason should be easy Aug 13 16:53:32 *nod* just transferring my python code into vala code Aug 13 16:53:41 provided the sysfs paths are still valid... Aug 13 16:53:45 mickeyl, how's your book proceding? Aug 13 16:54:29 mickeyl: name of node probably stays the same anyway Aug 13 16:55:14 mrmoku: miserably Aug 13 16:55:31 mickeyl, you mean I have to learn vala without it? :P Aug 13 16:55:37 mrmoku: i'm always doing other things, finding virtually no time for it Aug 13 16:55:48 mrmoku: i'm afraid so, unless you really want to wait another half a year Aug 13 16:56:08 mickeyl, I fear I will have to learn it rather earlier... Aug 13 16:56:13 good! :) Aug 13 16:56:19 mickeyl: "find /sys -name "resume_reason" Aug 13 17:01:04 mickeyl: /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/resume_reason seems to be the raw bitpattern Aug 13 17:02:00 mickeyl: /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-resume.0/resume_reason is the one you want Aug 13 17:02:32 mickeyl, btw. did you see http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Palm-Pre-telefoniert-nach-Hause--/meldung/143481 Aug 13 17:02:42 strong argument to use our stuff :P Aug 13 17:04:28 mrmoku: eeks! no, didn't see that -- thanks! Aug 13 17:04:30 * mickeyl notes Aug 13 17:05:02 mickeyl: PaulFertser: am I nuts, or is the PMU subreason missing in /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-resume.0/resume_reason ? Aug 13 17:05:18 internal const string SYSFS_RESUME_REASON_PATH = "/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-resume.0/resume_reason"; Aug 13 17:05:18 internal const string SYSFS_RESUME_SUBREASON_PATH = "/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/resume_reason"; Aug 13 17:05:20 is what i have here Aug 13 17:06:30 ooh, so that changed drastically from what I seem to recall Aug 13 17:08:58 * DocScrutinizer remembers something like a "submenu", like "* EINT09-PMU\n RTC\n * PWERBUTTON\n BATMNGR\n..." Aug 13 17:10:03 * DocScrutinizer curses these sysfs changes Aug 13 17:12:47 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#Resume_Reason :-/ Aug 13 17:22:00 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r41f9525fd241 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/lowlevel_openmoko/plugin.vala: fsousaged: lowlevel_openmoko: detect reason and subreason from sysfs Aug 13 17:24:58 dos1, just add your exports to /etc/profile Aug 13 17:24:59 ? Aug 13 17:25:02 hmm, would it be enough to restart frameworkd to get my fr to detect the SIM card I just inserted? Aug 13 17:25:04 or is there a better thing to do? Aug 13 17:25:07 (elm theme) Aug 13 17:25:07 TAsn: about theme? Aug 13 17:25:12 yes. Aug 13 17:25:20 TAsn: right now yes. i'll try to write shr-settings module for that Aug 13 17:25:28 cool. Aug 13 17:25:37 ceda_wrk: SHR? Aug 13 17:25:45 I think before that you better write a module for phone-utils Aug 13 17:25:49 dos1: and that module will do rm -rf / in background ?:P Aug 13 17:26:01 as user may want to change their country code :) Aug 13 17:26:08 ;) Aug 13 17:26:17 soltys: of course, if only it will pass assertion "if user == soltys" ;P Aug 13 17:26:26 ceda_wrk: if yes, then killall -9 ophonekitd, and then shr-settings->ophonekitd not running->start Aug 13 17:26:44 dos1: ;< but every fr runs as root ;) Aug 13 17:27:19 soltys: user is just variable, can be definied in other way Aug 13 17:27:38 soltys: i'll invent super-pro-uberalgoritm to determine, if user is soltys :P Aug 13 17:27:47 dos1, I'm giving it a go, better be good :) Aug 13 17:28:03 dos1: you bastard ;< Aug 13 17:28:07 :> Aug 13 17:28:23 ;) Aug 13 17:29:08 btw, gray really looks promising. Aug 13 17:29:13 gry* Aug 13 17:29:15 or whatever Aug 13 17:30:14 anyhow, I'm off in a sec. Aug 13 17:33:49 dos1, NICE! Aug 13 17:33:53 (the theme) Aug 13 17:33:57 not that ugly Aug 13 17:34:00 and quite fast :) Aug 13 17:34:11 correction: terribly fast. Aug 13 17:34:17 and what's even better Aug 13 17:34:35 is that illume didn't respect x11-16 for some reason Aug 13 17:34:45 so the desktop also looks awesome :) Aug 13 17:35:15 you just have to compliment it with an illume theme. Aug 13 17:35:25 TAsn: illume don't use elementary, there is another config option for illume engine Aug 13 17:35:29 TAsn: yup, i want to Aug 13 17:35:40 i just wanted to do things step by step ;) Aug 13 17:35:41 dos1, anyhow, I like it that illume is still 32 Aug 13 17:35:42 ! Aug 13 17:35:48 dekstop icons look great Aug 13 17:35:57 and everything else is fast :) Aug 13 17:36:05 contacts is blazing fast! Aug 13 17:36:16 shr-contacts? Aug 13 17:36:23 yes. Aug 13 17:49:25 [2009-08-13 19:26:45] dos1: ;< but every fr runs as root ;) -- I'll eventually force this to change Aug 13 17:49:37 DocScrutinizer, opkg update && for p in man man-pages; do opkg install $p; done Aug 13 17:50:01 mrmoku: :-))) mrmoku for president Aug 13 17:50:16 roh? Aug 13 17:50:22 Is there anyone now handling planet.om.org ? Aug 13 18:04:57 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r3fa6a34d3886 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_sim.py: [SIM] add "Are you sure?" window when trying to clean some phonebook or messagebook Aug 13 18:07:03 hi...can someoen tell me where I can find the patch (http://svn.openmoko.org/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/s3c_mci.patch) for the actual used kernel? Aug 13 18:08:30 libxaw7, libxmu6, libxpm4... hmmm XD Aug 13 18:09:22 that's nice to have packages with well-known, easy to remember and saying everything names ;) Aug 13 18:09:36 TAsn: i'm starting to make also other niebiee themes Aug 13 18:09:39 shr-splash and illume ;) Aug 13 18:12:05 oh well... i have now to find gimp files of header from http://dos.jogger.pl/ Aug 13 18:12:11 dos1: well, niebiee isn't exactly self-expanatory (if you're not polish), but actually easy to remeber :-) Aug 13 18:12:29 DocScrutinizer: that's theme name. theme names are often abstract ;) Aug 13 18:12:46 seem so are lib names Aug 13 18:13:21 and even in polish niebiee isn't so self-expanatory Aug 13 18:13:33 all artwork deserves a unique name anyway Aug 13 18:13:56 of course if you'll look at that theme and then at name you'll understand it Aug 13 18:14:00 but it isn't obvious ;) Aug 13 18:15:09 dos1 !!!! Aug 13 18:15:14 You're going to be rich! Aug 13 18:15:19 * DocScrutinizer kicks calypso and dreams of a 3G modem Aug 13 18:15:21 53 euros ! Aug 13 18:15:36 Almost 9 pints in France Aug 13 18:15:49 Is it legal at your age to drink beer in poland? Aug 13 18:15:54 Ainulindale: i already have it on paypal ;) Aug 13 18:15:57 Ainulindale: no ;D Aug 13 18:16:06 dos1: you already received it? Aug 13 18:16:13 Ainulindale: yup Aug 13 18:16:18 Glad for you then! Aug 13 18:16:22 :) Aug 13 18:16:29 dos1: keep in mind that's because of your work Aug 13 18:16:33 Your good work may I add Aug 13 18:16:43 Ainulindale: i don't want to stop working, don't worry ;) Aug 13 18:16:47 * mrmoku underlines that Aug 13 18:17:17 it's even motivating :) Aug 13 18:17:18 dos1, well 50 bugs is a bit to little to go and retire ;) Aug 13 18:17:26 dos1: well Aug 13 18:17:30 dos1: I didn't have that in mind Aug 13 18:17:38 It was merely just to say to you that I'm glad you're part of the team Aug 13 18:17:42 And it's the same for mrmoku and TAsn Aug 13 18:18:08 * admiral0 thinks dos1 is a coding machine with the goal to conquer the world Aug 13 18:18:18 :) Aug 13 18:18:22 mrmoku: it's enough for geek teenager who still lives with parents ;) Aug 13 18:18:32 :) Aug 13 18:18:45 mrmoku: i already have my freerunner, i don't need to spend lot of money at once in near future ;) Aug 13 18:19:00 dos1, no exploding iphone? :P Aug 13 18:19:09 hmm Aug 13 18:19:11 dos1, no home phoning palm? Aug 13 18:19:14 i have to think about it :D Aug 13 18:19:23 loool, the crackling glass iphone Aug 13 18:19:25 (about exploding part) Aug 13 18:19:27 ;) Aug 13 18:19:45 as having such iPhone in pocket can provide so much adrenaline :D Aug 13 18:20:15 "will it explode today or not?" ;) Aug 13 18:20:23 might make a good weapon as well... if it explodes in the right moment ;) Aug 13 18:20:33 well dos1 Aug 13 18:20:36 if you're motivated enough Aug 13 18:20:39 buy an HTC Dream Aug 13 18:20:43 ANd help the coding team Aug 13 18:20:50 I wonder if the magic breaking iphone glass could have happened anywhere else in the world other than France :-p Aug 13 18:22:09 Ainulindale: i would need more donates for that ;x Aug 13 18:22:20 Ainulindale, coding for HTC Dream is mainly low level stuff right now? Aug 13 18:22:21 dos1: Hmmm Aug 13 18:22:25 Yes Aug 13 18:22:29 dos1: If you're motivated enough Aug 13 18:22:37 I could try to see what I can do through Bearstech Aug 13 18:23:06 hmm Aug 13 18:23:42 i need to see what is already done and what needs to be done Aug 13 18:23:51 well Aug 13 18:23:55 I think this could be doable Aug 13 18:24:05 At least lend you a device for development purposes Aug 13 18:24:07 man man; man bash; #me feeling at home finally :-D Aug 13 18:24:19 then i can tell you if i'm motivated enough to do stuff what needs to be done ;) Aug 13 18:25:33 dos1: well check on it with Daniel for instance Aug 13 18:25:40 (alphaone) Aug 13 18:25:45 And tell me if you're into that Aug 13 18:25:50 mrmoku: dos1: thanks again, you guys really made my day. Off for brinner now Aug 13 18:25:55 I think it's a great thing for SHR if we're able to run on top of HTC things Aug 13 18:49:45 Ainulindale, hackable time now? Aug 13 18:50:00 Hmm ? Aug 13 18:50:10 OOM again Aug 13 18:51:05 Grmbl Aug 13 18:51:21 Well yes until the end of HAR the buiildhost will be busy I think Aug 13 18:51:25 Let me talk to them Aug 13 18:52:19 hehe Aug 13 18:52:50 Ainulindale, I can just continue retrying... though I would not like to disturb hackable building ;) Aug 13 18:53:01 mrmoku: do as you wish Aug 13 18:53:07 you're as much important as h:1 is Aug 13 18:58:57 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r04cf423c9fa3 10/shr-splash/shr-splash-theme-niebiee/ (12 files in 2 dirs): shr-splash-theme-niebiee: add new, extremely blue theme Aug 13 18:59:02 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rbfa1ffe2085a 10/shr-splash/shr-splash-theme-simple/src/shr-logo.png: shr-splash-theme-simple: add used SHR "logo" to src directory Aug 13 19:02:02 mrmoku: patch sent :) Aug 13 19:03:00 theme preview: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-themes.git;a=blob;f=shr-splash/shr-splash-theme-niebiee/preview.png;h=5258a8a9cfd04bdcd5c495f1afac103def383c39;hb=HEAD Aug 13 19:04:19 Ainulindale, And it's the same for mrmoku and TAsn Aug 13 19:04:25 WTF, you are glad to have me? :) Aug 13 19:05:03 I thought you don't like israelies. Aug 13 19:05:08 TAsn: you should already know he is insane ;) Aug 13 19:05:12 (j/k ;D) Aug 13 19:05:35 dos1, I'm likable :( Aug 13 19:06:00 btw, I haven't received payment yet. Aug 13 19:06:09 (paypal) Aug 13 19:06:11 oh no, TAsn is likable! Aug 13 19:06:42 TAsn: i received it few minutes after sending mail :P Aug 13 19:06:43 dos1, it's my middle eastern charm... Aug 13 19:06:44 moment... Aug 13 19:06:53 dos1, cool, seems like I just missed him. Aug 13 19:07:28 TAsn: "Have sent you the 1/3 of the fund. Let me know if you receive it on paypal. As soon as the other two members give their transfer info I will ask the cofundus contributors to transfer the amounts." Aug 13 19:07:50 btw, I *really* like niebee or whatever it's name is :) Aug 13 19:07:53 fast and furious. Aug 13 19:07:57 dos1, cool, thanks. Aug 13 19:08:05 for the info. Aug 13 19:08:21 TAsn: what do you think about that: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-themes.git;a=blob;f=shr-splash/shr-splash-theme-niebiee/preview.png;h=5258a8a9cfd04bdcd5c495f1afac103def383c39;hb=HEAD ? Aug 13 19:08:36 Am I the only one who doesn't give a fuck about the new apple tablet that's popping up on digg all the time Aug 13 19:08:38 ? Aug 13 19:08:48 will probably suck, sec, looking. Aug 13 19:08:53 awesome :) Aug 13 19:09:03 btw Aug 13 19:09:24 dos1, Ainulindale, mrmoku! We need to end the logo contest already... Aug 13 19:09:42 Maybe make an announcement that it'll end in a week Aug 13 19:09:57 and then we'll cast a vote/pick one, and start working with it. Aug 13 19:10:01 what do you think? Aug 13 19:10:04 as it can affect themeing. Aug 13 19:10:23 if let's say my favorite (the green bug) gets picked Aug 13 19:10:30 I'd like no see nibee green as default :) Aug 13 19:10:56 TAsn: well, niebiee theme isn't supposed to be default Aug 13 19:11:05 why not? Aug 13 19:11:09 too extreme blue ;) Aug 13 19:11:12 some people can hate it Aug 13 19:11:17 dos1, it's ok ;) Aug 13 19:11:22 (in my opinion) Aug 13 19:11:22 some ppl hate the default ubuntu theme Aug 13 19:11:25 and still many use it. Aug 13 19:11:39 dos1, if we'll choose an obnoxious green, ppl will also hate it Aug 13 19:11:44 though it'll conform with the logo Aug 13 19:11:47 (if that gets picked) Aug 13 19:11:58 TAsn: don't worry. i'll do blue version of logo Aug 13 19:12:00 :DD Aug 13 19:12:23 This info made me blue. Aug 13 19:12:47 YUCK! Aug 13 19:12:52 (blue dialer) Aug 13 19:12:54 it's damn ugly :) Aug 13 19:14:44 TAsn, bad idea Aug 13 19:14:56 mrmoku, referring to what? Aug 13 19:15:06 ending contest immediately Aug 13 19:15:07 I made a couple of bad ideas in the last couple of minutes Aug 13 19:15:16 mrmoku, never said immediately Aug 13 19:15:24 I said we should announce that the contest will end in a week Aug 13 19:15:25 or something Aug 13 19:15:34 which is immediately ;) Aug 13 19:15:37 well almost :P Aug 13 19:15:49 TAsn: hehe, libframeworkd-phonegui-efl theme isn't done yet :D Aug 13 19:15:51 TAsn, what other bad ideas did you have Aug 13 19:15:51 mrmoku, I think you and I work in different time frames ;) Aug 13 19:16:03 mrmoku, making a theme that conforms to the winning logo Aug 13 19:16:20 and putting nibee-COLOR-OF-LOGO as default :) Aug 13 19:17:12 TAsn: ni*e*biee, as "niebieskie" (blue in polish) ;) Aug 13 19:18:11 dos1, I treat words like I treat names like I treat my signature Aug 13 19:18:15 I don't really care ;) Aug 13 19:18:28 I just write a couple of letters that look close enough ;) Aug 13 19:18:47 today I moved to a different bank Aug 13 19:18:51 and opened an account there Aug 13 19:18:55 was amazingly funny :) Aug 13 19:19:15 just scribbled a different signature everytime Aug 13 19:40:04 TAsn: I'm glad to have you because even if you're an ass you do the job and you do it nicely Aug 13 19:40:10 as for the logo contest I'm not sure Aug 13 19:40:22 let us wait a week or two it's traditional holidays Aug 13 19:40:44 Ainulindale, I don't mind waiting a moth Aug 13 19:40:49 though I think we should make a deadline Aug 13 19:40:53 * mrmoku thinks we should keep the initially anounced deadline... Aug 13 19:41:08 mrmoku, there is one? Aug 13 19:41:12 * TAsn spanks tasn. Aug 13 19:41:13 well initial deadline is nice to me Aug 13 19:41:19 end of september Aug 13 19:41:20 I thought there isn't one. Aug 13 19:41:23 ok, my bad. Aug 13 19:41:26 don't mind me. Aug 13 19:41:27 :) Aug 13 19:41:28 I'm an idiot. Aug 13 19:41:30 see? Aug 13 19:41:30 :) Aug 13 19:41:32 nah Aug 13 19:41:35 You don't even read your mails Aug 13 19:41:37 Ainulindale, are you sure you are still glad to have me? :) Aug 13 19:41:41 :D Aug 13 19:41:45 Ainulindale, I read all the mails Aug 13 19:41:53 I just don't remember Aug 13 19:41:57 TAsn: except yours ;) Aug 13 19:41:57 subject or body too? =) Aug 13 19:42:05 Ainulindale, what's a body? Aug 13 19:42:12 ;D Aug 13 19:43:48 TAsn: i thougt about the simley thing in phonegui, it's not just a string replace thing. The ticket wants to have simleys when typing too and for this we can't replace :) by we have to change the textwidget... Aug 13 19:44:35 well... even KMail does it only when viewing a mail... and not when writing Aug 13 19:44:56 mrmoku: but we are better then KDE ;) Aug 13 19:45:20 Heinervdm, users don't always know what they want. Aug 13 19:45:23 Heinervdm, sure... but I don't know if something like that is worth it ;) Aug 13 19:45:26 believe my, they want it on view only. Aug 13 19:45:29 * mrmoku would not want that Aug 13 19:45:34 mrmoku, no need to wonder Aug 13 19:45:35 * dos1 too Aug 13 19:45:40 ITS BAD> Aug 13 19:45:41 :) Aug 13 19:45:54 ok, :) Aug 13 19:53:00 So we need some nice, simple smileys. What about these: http://simplesmileys.org/ Aug 13 19:53:17 TAsn: by the way Aug 13 19:53:20 you suck Aug 13 19:53:33 Ainulindale, duh. Aug 13 19:53:36 Ainulindale, do why now? :) Aug 13 19:53:43 why not? :-) Aug 13 19:53:52 Ainulindale, that's what I've been thinking. Aug 13 19:53:56 hehe :-) Aug 13 19:54:00 Heinervdm, I like colors. Aug 13 19:54:03 when will you come in Europe by the way? Aug 13 19:54:14 I intend to make you pay a beer for me Aug 13 19:54:22 And for mrmoku as well Aug 13 19:54:26 For all the suffering Aug 13 19:55:06 hehe Aug 13 19:55:29 Ainulindale, I won't be able to in the following 6 months Aug 13 19:55:38 but after that I'm leaving my current job Aug 13 19:55:42 Heinervdm: i'm for that Simple Smileys Aug 13 19:55:51 and I'll come to europe Aug 13 19:56:01 after that :) Aug 13 19:56:12 dos1: ok, then we have to provide different themes ;) Aug 13 19:56:12 long story... can't explain ;) Aug 13 19:56:38 Heinervdm: simple enough and nice enough, and should be easy to colorize by theme Aug 13 19:56:38 by the way TAsn Aug 13 19:56:40 Do you have military obligations? Aug 13 19:56:45 Ainulindale, yes. Aug 13 19:56:51 Hmm Aug 13 19:56:53 as every israeli. Aug 13 19:57:04 Will you be able to avoid them? Aug 13 19:57:17 in the following 6 months, no. Aug 13 19:57:19 :) Aug 13 19:57:24 after that, probably. Aug 13 19:57:30 so you'll have to do them anyhow? Aug 13 19:57:47 Ainulindale, yes. Aug 13 19:57:59 damn Aug 13 19:58:02 why? Aug 13 19:58:17 Well it's not really interesting and/or good Aug 13 19:58:30 Ainulindale, still... ? Aug 13 19:58:36 still what? Aug 13 19:58:54 * dos1 is lucky. Military in Poland will became fully professional exactly in that year when I would have to do them :P Aug 13 19:59:04 Well it's not really interesting and/or good Aug 13 19:59:04 well it is professional in France Aug 13 19:59:08 I didn't do anything Aug 13 19:59:10 I still wanna hear :) Aug 13 19:59:15 Ainulindale, lucky you ;( Aug 13 19:59:21 hear what? Aug 13 19:59:31 why? Aug 13 19:59:37 why you were asking Aug 13 19:59:56 Ainulindale: i would have to do if government would make it professional year later :P Aug 13 20:00:20 TAsn: well because it's annoying for you Aug 13 20:00:24 dos1, can't you just postpone it? Aug 13 20:00:27 Ainulindale, aye ;( Aug 13 20:00:30 well, that's one of things i can really honestly thank our actual government ;) Aug 13 20:00:33 Ainulindale, military service is a bitch Aug 13 20:00:36 dos1: :-) Aug 13 20:00:37 TAsn: now i don't care :) Aug 13 20:00:39 especially here where he have wars. Aug 13 20:00:44 yep Aug 13 20:00:56 I have a friend that got shot earlier this year Aug 13 20:01:08 In the last operation in gaza. Aug 13 20:01:13 * Heinervdm got good money for doing nothing at his military time Aug 13 20:01:30 Heinervdm, as I already explained here a couple of times Aug 13 20:01:44 here we get ~90$ a month in our military service Aug 13 20:02:02 TAsn: that Aug 13 20:02:24 Heinervdm, ? Aug 13 20:02:27 :D Aug 13 20:02:42 don't know the word i wont to write :D Aug 13 20:02:56 Heinervdm, you probably mean Aug 13 20:02:58 WTF?! Aug 13 20:02:59 HOW?! Aug 13 20:03:00 :) Aug 13 20:03:10 that's not much, i got sth about 1300$ Aug 13 20:03:11 guess there is no word for that... Aug 13 20:03:22 mrmoku, aye. Aug 13 20:03:27 Heinervdm, you think? :( Aug 13 20:03:27 Heinervdm: per month? :oooooo Aug 13 20:03:29 :D Aug 13 20:03:54 yes, for sitting in front of a table ;) Aug 13 20:04:00 and we have to pay for food and cloths and shaving gear when at home ;\ Aug 13 20:05:05 Heinervdm, btw, if that's not enough, army service here is 3 years. Aug 13 20:05:37 * dos1 can't imagine himself doing army service. really. Aug 13 20:05:41 coding is better :P Aug 13 20:05:51 dos1, believe me Aug 13 20:05:55 it's worth than how it seems. Aug 13 20:05:56 :) Aug 13 20:06:00 worst* Aug 13 20:06:02 after 3 years of armey your dumb Aug 13 20:06:10 Heinervdm, dumb? crazy... Aug 13 20:06:20 both Aug 13 20:06:58 Heinervdm, :| Aug 13 20:07:58 anyhow, to cut a long story short, compulsory army service is a bitch ;) Aug 13 20:09:00 mrmoku: did you build shr-splash-theme-niebiee? Aug 13 20:09:08 or something else is building now? Aug 13 20:09:18 dos1, actually, I *love* the current SHR theme. Aug 13 20:09:30 dos1, was trying to build a testing image... but that is not possible right now Aug 13 20:09:38 mrmoku, why? :( Aug 13 20:09:39 will build your splash then Aug 13 20:09:48 TAsn, OOM Aug 13 20:09:50 hmmm Aug 13 20:09:51 TAsn: current? Aug 13 20:09:58 dos1, current default. Aug 13 20:10:00 mrmoku, OOM? Aug 13 20:10:02 If you're astonished at how Heinervdm earned for his military servive Aug 13 20:10:05 s/vive/vice/ Aug 13 20:10:06 Ainulindale meant: If you're astonished at how Heinervdm earned for his military service Aug 13 20:10:13 I should not tell you how much I earned for my ex job Aug 13 20:10:28 TAsn, hackable has some meeting these days IIUC :P Aug 13 20:10:38 mrmoku, ffs :) Aug 13 20:10:40 mrmoku: well Aug 13 20:10:47 most of the hackable time is at HAR Aug 13 20:10:49 in nederlands Aug 13 20:10:52 Ainulindale: but there you did sth more then sitting in front of a table? Aug 13 20:11:02 the goal is to make the buildbot as reliable as possible for monday Aug 13 20:11:10 Heinervdm: well that deends Aug 13 20:11:11 +p Aug 13 20:11:26 :) Aug 13 20:12:28 TAsn: default splash? Aug 13 20:12:42 dos1, ffs, default splash, the white SHR with black background. Aug 13 20:12:42 :) Aug 13 20:13:13 TAsn: yup, i like it too Aug 13 20:13:35 though it reminds me too much of the iphone Aug 13 20:13:36 TAsn: white blurry things on black background look great on freerunner :) Aug 13 20:13:36 :| Aug 13 20:13:44 dos1, look great in general. Aug 13 20:14:40 TAsn: you always have handy theme, it shouldn't remind you iPhone ;D Aug 13 20:19:24 btw, I have something funny (actually exactly the opposite) to tell you about israel. Aug 13 20:20:48 The "knneset" (the israeli parlament) voted for "the biometric law" (first and second calls) Aug 13 20:21:05 which means we'll soon have a national db Aug 13 20:21:19 of biometric information about all the citizens Aug 13 20:21:44 which of course sucks badly :( Aug 13 20:21:51 1984 in your face. ;) Aug 13 20:23:34 TAsn: oh Aug 13 20:23:47 TAsn: what kind of assholes have you managed to put in your knesset? Aug 13 20:24:37 TAsn: (not that russian "duma" is any better in fact it's much worse, we have only one party in fact) Aug 13 20:26:09 dos1, niebiee splash hit the feed Aug 13 20:26:24 reading that /me is happy with his "sejm" :P Aug 13 20:26:55 mrmoku: thanks ;) Aug 13 20:27:06 dos1, np Aug 13 20:33:56 hehe, euro value rised up, i had 206,06 zl from that 51 euro; now it is 207,07 zl :D Aug 13 20:34:24 hehe... wait some more then ;) Aug 13 20:35:13 dos1: did you miss the translation of "niebiee"? Aug 13 20:35:25 PaulFertser: no ;D Aug 13 20:35:53 mrmoku: few mounth ago it could be even ~240 zl :P Aug 13 20:36:18 dos1: in fact a word like that would be prohibited on our public TV ;) It's funny when some football player they're talking about called "khuy" or something like that :D Aug 13 20:36:25 PaulFertser, no idea, but I hate them ;( Aug 13 20:36:41 TAsn: :( Aug 13 20:36:51 TAsn: at least you have some competition. We don't. Aug 13 20:36:57 hehe Aug 13 20:37:08 we get to pick our shit ;) Aug 13 20:37:20 the essence of democracy. Aug 13 20:41:05 wazzup Aug 13 20:41:25 DocScrutinizer, nothing much, I'm going to get my fingerprints and facial prints taken soon. Aug 13 20:41:26 :( Aug 13 20:41:42 And it'll get stored in a govt. db. Aug 13 20:41:53 cooooool Aug 13 20:41:54 possibly they'll give access to banks and other corps Aug 13 20:42:06 just to make client verification easier. Aug 13 20:42:08 mrmoku: do you know what happened with that new gsm signal meter? Aug 13 20:42:18 mrmoku: someone wrote it for SHR Aug 13 20:42:24 this is israel, we are very information security oriented. Aug 13 20:43:28 for example, only 7 times in the last ten years the complete citizens list leaked online Aug 13 20:43:35 dos1, no, was it finished? Aug 13 20:43:51 (ssn, names, numbers, addresses, parents, etc etc) Aug 13 20:44:05 cooooool Aug 13 20:44:14 DocScrutinizer, yeah ;) Aug 13 20:44:18 :-) Aug 13 20:44:22 need me to track anyone? Aug 13 20:44:45 mrmoku: i think it was, i saw mail announcing it Aug 13 20:45:07 mrmoku: i don't feel good when some good work is abbandoned or not used without any reason, we should check that :P Aug 13 20:45:27 dos1, link? forward? Aug 13 20:45:36 mrmoku, btw, saw the mail about kernel modules? Aug 13 20:46:21 TAsn: dunno, i have to search Aug 13 20:46:23 not sure if it's worth mentioning (as awaiting opimd frontend) but I failed misarbly on trying to store a contact. simply went to /dev/null Aug 13 20:47:06 DocScrutinizer: why not just use a simple text file? Aug 13 20:47:22 anyone feling tempted to comment? Aug 13 20:48:24 DocScrutinizer: check if you have phonebook full Aug 13 20:48:29 the file is 52* 33mm atm Aug 13 20:48:29 dunno if there is error handling Aug 13 20:48:41 dos1: nope Aug 13 20:48:49 DocScrutinizer: or if you tried to store too long name Aug 13 20:49:02 yep, definitely I did Aug 13 20:49:20 TAsn, mrmoku: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/198#comment:9 Aug 13 20:50:12 max len according to settings-phone:16, name was Xxxxxxxx Xxxxxxxxx Aug 13 20:50:21 dos1, lets give it a go then. Aug 13 20:50:29 TAsn, yep saw the mail (yours ?) Aug 13 20:50:54 mrmoku, I forwarded to you a response from a user Aug 13 20:50:58 in case you missed it :) Aug 13 20:51:05 I think we need to review it Aug 13 20:51:10 and maybe finally acting accordingly. Aug 13 20:51:31 * DocScrutinizer spanks TAsn and dos1 for lazyness and forces them to publish opimd frontend in max 5h ;-P Aug 13 20:51:33 DocScrutinizer: not having error handling in that case sucks :P Aug 13 20:51:45 DocScrutinizer: opimd-utils :D Aug 13 20:51:50 DocScrutinizer, done. Aug 13 20:51:51 :) Aug 13 20:52:05 DocScrutinizer, first tell me if the uboot env thingie works ;) Aug 13 20:52:14 k, I'll give them a try Aug 13 20:52:55 mrmoku: no news byond the "wrong CRC..." status reported before Aug 13 20:53:32 [18:04] hhhhhmmmm... should RTFM of fw_printenv. "Warning: Bad CRC, using default environment" Aug 13 20:53:54 ff Aug 13 20:55:23 mrmoku: I could imagine my case (messed mtdparts killing /dev/mtdblock*) might be the classical deadlock XD Aug 13 20:55:35 DocScrutinizer: i'm looking through gta02-core archives but can't find the mail you want me to see. Is it Rask's info about using wolfson's dsp filters? Aug 13 20:57:09 hmmm, strange. It was "scheduled for approval" but werner told me he checked it in. Date of today (or yesterday? missing my brain since dunno when...:-/ ) Aug 13 20:57:25 DocScrutinizer: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta02-core/2009-August/ Aug 13 20:58:13 DocScrutinizer: they still use that stupid no-post-from-non-subscribed policy, right? Aug 13 20:58:21 fwd: re: (gta03) gta03 sch review Aug 13 20:58:26 sth like that Aug 13 20:58:38 yup, right Aug 13 20:58:52 :( Aug 13 20:58:57 This is fixed: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/586 , isn't it? Aug 13 20:59:04 LKML manages that without "moderators" and spam! Aug 13 20:59:05 pester wpwrak ;-) Aug 13 21:00:26 PaulFertser: [12:24] DocScrutinizer: ah .. caught amidst the spam. i've released it now Aug 13 21:00:29 Heinervdm: yes, i think it is Aug 13 21:00:35 i upgraded today and everything works ;) Aug 13 21:02:48 * DocScrutinizer annouces system outage due to core malfunction and service by aspirin resulting from that Aug 13 21:04:11 actually the statement "missing my brain" is exactly a lie :-/ I can *feel* it's still there Aug 13 21:04:44 Heinervdm, I just installed 8/8 unstable and am upgrading now Aug 13 21:05:18 mrmoku: if it works for you too, then you can close that ticket ;) Aug 13 21:07:31 Heinervdm, yep, will close it Aug 13 21:11:36 mrmoku, what about ffalarms 0.2.3? Aug 13 21:14:51 TAsn, remember... we would have to bump EFLREV for that... and you did not like that idea ;) Aug 13 21:15:02 oh, ok ;) Aug 13 21:15:09 f*** ffalarms :) Aug 13 21:16:37 TAsn, alternative would be to add mickey|dinner's fix to make libeflvala work... Aug 13 21:16:52 mrmoku, :| Aug 13 21:28:09 cleaned trac a bit :) Aug 13 21:29:41 cleaning is always good :) Aug 13 21:29:47 (says my wife :P) Aug 13 21:31:06 mrmoku, :) Aug 13 21:31:38 mrmoku, We had a lot of crap there, actually we have a lot more Aug 13 21:31:48 we gotta build libfso-phonegui already. Aug 13 21:33:29 hehe, I got h.w is db design to write a couple of sql queries (very simple actually) cool, that'll be an easy not a time waster 100 ;) Aug 13 21:33:58 too bad I'm also taking an algorithms class this semester, they like to put long and agonizing questions. Aug 13 21:34:01 anyhow, I'm off, night. Aug 13 21:46:04 TAsn, yeah night... me too off Aug 13 21:59:12 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Aug 13 21:59:19 :/ Aug 13 21:59:34 TAsn, mrmoku|away... i wanted to show it to you :D Aug 13 22:13:02 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r205c152538ac 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/ (98 files in 2 dirs): e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: initial commit of extremely blue theme Aug 13 22:14:47 I have "2000.02.01 09:36:17.655 frameworkd.subsystem WARNING Can't claim bus name 'org.freesmartphone.ogsmd', check configuration in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/frameworkd.conf Aug 13 22:14:50 " Aug 13 22:14:58 when I launch frameword -s ogsmd Aug 13 22:15:13 does someone know the cause of that ? Aug 13 22:15:26 I'll paste my frameworkd.conf Aug 13 22:15:55 http://pastebin.com/d582cc29e Aug 13 22:17:46 nevermind -_- Aug 13 22:41:42 PaulFertser: mickey|dinner: did we wrap our head around pppd & frameworkd freeze issue so we might decide on how to tackle that? Aug 13 22:44:22 mickey|dinner: if it's actually pppd trying to tear down gprs during call (probably due to some timeout), what do you suggest how to verify and cure that? SIGSTOP pppd during call? change pppd config? or can frameworkd cope with that in a sane way? Aug 13 23:56:28 hello Aug 13 23:56:45 does the opkg upgrade work now? Aug 14 00:13:04 knutmithut: *from* 88 yes. Dunno about upgrade from former versions *to* 88+ Aug 14 00:13:20 aah that reminds me... Aug 14 00:14:18 no i have the 88 version, thanks :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 14 02:59:57 2009