**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 16 02:59:57 2009 Aug 16 05:07:09 Toaster`, cool, cause I sent you an email :) Aug 16 05:53:20 running install_data shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/shr-settings-0.1.1+r348+fbd85f313124a9680c421b287119dec623f5b33d-r6/image/usr/share/pixmaps error: can't copy 'd': doesn't exist or not a regular file FATAL: python setup.py install execution failed. Aug 16 07:15:38 How do i create a diff for this thing? git diff in what dir? I made a change in shr-settings setup.py Aug 16 07:31:16 mrmoku|away: I'm not using fso-monitord Aug 16 07:49:10 wake up, shr crashed! Aug 16 07:52:11 BluesLee: yes I have a fix for shr-settings, but how do I get a diff? setup.py should be changed to data_files=[('pixmaps', ['data/shr_settings.png']), Aug 16 07:52:21 *yawn* makes take another few minutes of nap ;-) Aug 16 07:52:31 removed gsm07muxd and fso-abyss started to work Aug 16 07:52:34 suxx Aug 16 07:52:52 TeLLuS: hey, it was just a joke Aug 16 07:56:06 hey, this is really nice http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/attachment/wiki/LogoContest/SHR_logo.png Aug 16 07:57:26 BluesLee: Well, in building shr it did.. crash or rather fail to build. Aug 16 09:05:50 heyho Aug 16 09:42:12 Pidgin ICQ now works when I compiled 2.5.8.. :) Aug 16 10:06:26 * DocScrutinizer kicks pidgin Aug 16 10:07:09 that's been unfair Aug 16 10:07:48 * DocScrutinizer hands pidgin a lolly and shows way out the door Aug 16 10:10:07 btw as long as no call, GPRS is quite stable Aug 16 10:10:56 ~seen DocMobilizer Aug 16 10:10:57 docmobilizer is currently on #openmoko-cdevel. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 48s, last said: 'btw as long as no call, GPRS is quite stable'. Aug 16 10:55:12 http://87.227.108.179/neo/ Aug 16 10:57:45 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r6ea93d34edcb 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_elementary.py: [elementary] add "Restart X server" button Aug 16 10:57:54 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rd566bf33a7b5 10/shr-settings: [launcher] don't hardcode elementary configuration Aug 16 10:57:55 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r8ae1dfd64402 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_elementary.py: [elementary] cosmetic fixes Aug 16 10:59:24 No need to visit.. wrong channel. Aug 16 11:01:00 dos1: Could you unbreak the bilding of shr-settings? setup.py should be changed to data_files=[('pixmaps', ['data/shr_settings.png']), Aug 16 11:02:06 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r7a413934cadf 10/setup.py: [setup] fix copy&paste error Aug 16 11:02:07 TeLLuS: thanks :) Aug 16 11:06:29 ;) Aug 16 11:07:25 so now if someone has elementary configuration in /etc/profile should remove it Aug 16 11:07:36 and use one from shr-settings -> /etc/profile.d/elementary.sh Aug 16 11:09:10 dos1: You still missed the [ ] part.. Aug 16 11:10:28 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r3d20bbc18c13 10/setup.py: [setup] fixing build part two... damn, too early for me ;x Aug 16 11:14:25 dos1: Now built OK Aug 16 12:37:06 dos1, building settings now Aug 16 12:37:09 what else? Aug 16 12:37:12 (have just few mins) Aug 16 12:37:40 mrmoku: maybe frameworkd? Aug 16 12:38:02 ok Aug 16 12:40:49 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rbd9ceddd6878 10/vapi/eina.vapi: eina.vapi: catch up with API changes as of upstream rev 41187 Aug 16 12:41:44 * mrmoku got reminded to bump EFL ;) Aug 16 12:41:53 :) Aug 16 12:42:37 dos1, it's building lots of stuff now... Aug 16 12:42:44 will sync when back later Aug 16 12:42:55 which stuff? Aug 16 12:43:00 efl? Aug 16 12:45:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r0b07a3e4bf89 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: add new API calls as of upstream rev 41721 Aug 16 12:48:28 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rfae4f37aed11 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: add additional API as of upstream rev 41746 Aug 16 12:59:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r12a90f9bd0a5 10/tools/apm2/ (14 files in 2 dirs): Aug 16 12:59:17 freesmartphone.org: tools: add apm2 build skeleton. apm2 is the Vala implementation of fso-apm, Aug 16 12:59:17 freesmartphone.org: which in turn is the FSO compatibility utility for the apm legacy. Aug 16 13:08:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r9c0055f8128b 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: add new Elm.ProgressBar object Aug 16 13:18:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8f0d581efe7f 10/tools/apm2/src/main.vala: tools: apm2: call ousaged to implement -s option Aug 16 13:38:10 Good morning all Aug 16 13:41:01 morning Toaster` Aug 16 13:41:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb65a3f29ffa5 10/tools/apm2/src/main.vala: tools: apm: show power status Aug 16 13:44:54 hrm, has anyone else had issues logging into shr trac today? Aug 16 13:59:09 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rbd8bb52641ad 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/images/shelf_bg.png: e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: fine-tune shelf background Aug 16 13:59:20 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rf22dccef8bb4 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/ (illume-niebiee.edc images/syscon_bg.png syscon.edc): e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: add syscon theme Aug 16 14:11:14 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r2284273e4205 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/ (illume-niebiee.edc images/wallpaper.png): e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: add wallpaper, as it doesn't slow down launcher as much as I thought Aug 16 14:14:32 dos1: plz, add type column to contact_values table after field column and make index on it too. this will give a possibility to add same fields, but with different types, and will not confuse existing sw, which doesn't know anything about "WorkPhone" "HomePhone" etc... Aug 16 14:14:48 they'll check only field='Phone' Aug 16 14:15:09 Q-Master: existing sw? Aug 16 14:15:12 which existing sw? ;p Aug 16 14:15:48 existing dialers e.x. Aug 16 14:15:51 8) Aug 16 14:15:57 plzplzplzplzplzplzplzplz Aug 16 14:16:17 Q-Master: is there any exisiting app using opimd which doesn't know about "Work phone" and others? Aug 16 14:16:19 ;p Aug 16 14:16:23 Esben Damgaard, Michael Pilgermann or Christian Pilgermann from IPSI here? I just imported a .vcf V3 info opim but it failed to parse most number except some that used TEL;TYPE=CELL,VOICE:0000 example TEL;TYPE=WORK:000 did not work,, Aug 16 14:16:35 except libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2, but it isn't true opimd app ;p Aug 16 14:17:58 Will try a .vcf with version 2.1 instead.. Aug 16 14:18:04 dos1: add it. this will make everything much simplier Aug 16 14:18:30 TeLLuS: shr distro? Aug 16 14:18:44 Q-Master: yes.. Aug 16 14:19:17 TeLLuS: I've written a script to import vcard 3.0 to opim, but dos1 makes everything complicated. Aug 16 14:19:24 Q-Master: it isn't as simple as you think Aug 16 14:19:33 dos1: it is. 8) Aug 16 14:19:39 ;) Aug 16 14:19:41 I have frameworkd sources Aug 16 14:19:42 Q-Master: ok. so give me patch Aug 16 14:19:42 8) Aug 16 14:19:45 i'll apply it Aug 16 14:19:46 ;) Aug 16 14:19:55 I hate you. 8) Aug 16 14:19:59 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r63aac0029340 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/niebiee.edc: elementary-theme-niebiee: make window background little lighter Aug 16 14:20:07 anyway Aug 16 14:20:09 have to go now Aug 16 14:20:13 ok. w8t for patch Aug 16 14:20:15 dog is waiting for walking ;P Aug 16 14:20:29 dos1: I'll try to make it tomorrow Aug 16 14:20:36 ok Aug 16 14:22:10 dos1: about a patch, is it needed to use a seperate git checkout or place to create a patch or is it possible to use existing bitbake or something in the shr-unstable tree? Aug 16 14:26:51 dos1: Do not look like you use in tree edits since it did not compile earlier. What is the best way to delete all contacts to start over again? opimd-cli contact delete 0 1,2,3,4 and so on? Aug 16 14:27:42 TeLLuS: just rm the sqlite db file from /etc Aug 16 14:33:37 Q-Master: thanks. In /etc/freesmartphone/opim and then a /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart Aug 16 14:33:55 TeLLuS: yep. 8) Aug 16 14:46:00 dos1|away: another settings segfault, on closing GPS Aug 16 14:46:49 mrmoku|away: u-boot-utils fw_printenv is beyond my scope Aug 16 14:47:50 at least the output is Aug 16 14:48:33 so cya fellas, RL asks for attention Aug 16 14:48:47 hmm, something still seems to be broken wrt. power supply oeventsd Aug 16 14:48:49 err Aug 16 14:48:49 uevent Aug 16 14:49:08 ** Message: plugin.vala:86: POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=0 Aug 16 14:49:13 no current? Aug 16 14:49:26 ** Message: plugin.vala:86: POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_EMPTY_NOW=3932100 Aug 16 14:49:26 ** Message: plugin.vala:86: POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_FULL_NOW=3932100 Aug 16 14:49:30 err... Aug 16 14:49:50 Q-Master: Where is you import script? It did not work any better with IPSI 0.4.5 and .vcf V2.1. Aug 16 14:51:12 even more bogus ion Aug 16 14:51:14 ** Message: plugin.vala:86: POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Not charging Aug 16 14:51:17 however Aug 16 14:51:23 ** Message: plugin.vala:86: POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=1155073 Aug 16 14:51:23 ** Message: plugin.vala:86: POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=1108842 Aug 16 14:52:32 so what? looks rather easonable Aug 16 14:53:00 hmm Aug 16 14:53:23 ok, then please explain Aug 16 14:53:28 i can't make sense out of these values Aug 16 14:53:41 time to full exactly as long as time to empty Aug 16 14:53:43 however we're not charging Aug 16 14:53:50 why are we not charging then? Aug 16 14:53:51 full? Aug 16 14:53:58 nah, then time to full would be wrong Aug 16 14:54:11 sounds like you charged bat to maximum, then MBC stoped charging (POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Not charging), you maybe depleted bat a little by GSM (POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=1108842) but not to the state where resume kicks in Aug 16 14:54:34 ttf ant tte are NAN, the mean infinite Aug 16 14:54:48 3932100 is NAN??? Aug 16 14:55:01 it is 65535 minutes Aug 16 14:55:01 still, "Not Charging" is wrong then. Aug 16 14:55:10 i would expect 'Discharging' Aug 16 14:55:12 it *is* Aug 16 14:55:15 not charging Aug 16 14:55:52 sorry, but if online and present, it can either be discharging or charging Aug 16 14:55:57 or is there a third state? Aug 16 14:56:19 as you see by POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=0 it's actually not discharging, and discharging means you are powered by bat anyway. whereas not charging is a synonym for "full" Aug 16 14:56:44 TeLLuS: install python-vobject from opkg.org then I can give you a script Aug 16 14:57:22 everything absolutely correct if you had device connected to usb-power for some time, used GSM for a short while, and had it disabled the moment those readings were done Aug 16 14:57:29 according to my info 'full' is 'full' Aug 16 14:57:35 and 'not charging' is error condition Aug 16 14:58:02 meaning usb can't provide enough power or so Aug 16 14:58:06 never heard neither about that "error-condition" nor about any "FULL" state Aug 16 14:58:58 mickeyl: currently the kernel driver reports "not charging" whenever charger is present but turned off. Aug 16 14:59:28 which is btw what I see on other bat sysfs (laptop) as well Aug 16 14:59:40 mickeyl: reporting "full" wouldn't be correct here because the battery might have discharged to ~75% before the charger will kick in again. Aug 16 14:59:52 exactly Aug 16 15:00:18 that's why POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=1155073 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=1108842 Aug 16 15:00:25 well Aug 16 15:00:42 mickey@opal:/sys/class/power_supply/BAT0$ cat status Aug 16 15:00:42 Full Aug 16 15:00:53 (on my laptop) Aug 16 15:01:58 mickeyl: so what do you suggest? DocScrutinizer's already convinced me that current bq27000 is correct (and i wanted it to report only charging/discharging based on "current" readings but that'd have quite some lag). Aug 16 15:02:26 not suggesting anything, really. just trying to make sense out of these overlapping states Aug 16 15:02:47 mickeyl: they are not overlapping Aug 16 15:03:10 to my understanding they are Aug 16 15:03:16 not charging and discharging is very overlapping Aug 16 15:03:39 TeLLuS: my script is a bit weird, because of opimd and efl2 shortens. it imports any name that amount of times how many numbers it has Aug 16 15:04:10 charging means "charging" ;-), Not charging means bat is not being charged as it is considered full, but it *could be charged if needed (synonym for "full"). Discharging means you removed the power plug and device is running from bat Aug 16 15:04:59 no overlapping Aug 16 15:05:05 so this battery is never 'full' ? Aug 16 15:05:15 nope, basically never Aug 16 15:05:16 will never report this state? Aug 16 15:05:19 fun Aug 16 15:05:33 and it's true Aug 16 15:06:04 If GSM is turned off it will remain full for quite some time after full charge. Aug 16 15:06:22 for exactly 0.00000sec PaulFertser Aug 16 15:06:35 DocScrutinizer: :D Aug 16 15:06:46 No battery can be full ever then? Aug 16 15:06:55 as it discharges by itself (admittedly very slowly, but then where do you make the cut) Aug 16 15:08:21 there's this balance between technical accuracy and meaningful info for the user Aug 16 15:08:27 DocScrutinizer: as soon as i can get charger state by other means i wouldn't mind battery driver reporting only charging or discharging state, no need for full or "not charging". Aug 16 15:08:41 i tend to ignore the 'not charging' then Aug 16 15:08:46 and rather present full Aug 16 15:09:46 PaulFertser: I needed a full afternoon to stop you from hiding info from user by messing with power sysfs node. please don't start that again :-/ Aug 16 15:10:09 DocScrutinizer: i've already agreed that doing it that way would be hiding some info from user. Aug 16 15:10:39 DocScrutinizer: i'm ok with the way you want (and that is actually implemented currently). Aug 16 15:11:34 and it is implemented correctly, and all problems that might arise are due to misconception on semantics. My 2 cents Aug 16 15:12:08 DocScrutinizer: agree, semantics documentation is too vague. Aug 16 15:14:05 for me right now sysfs is accurately representing all technical details. any interpreting is userland domain. and tbh I give a shit if that state is called "not charging" or "full", it means same technical conditions anyway Aug 16 15:20:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra23eecf531dc 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_powersupply: synthesize coldplug, if we're on a mounted sysfs Aug 16 15:21:21 lol. mickeyl could you port that to maemo please? ;-P Aug 16 15:21:36 ask Nokia ;) Aug 16 15:22:46 I knew you would say that :) Aug 16 15:23:29 just pointing out for any strange reason they have exactly same issue Aug 16 15:23:52 mickeyl: short questions: is the long-awaited async server support in Vala just around the corner or we'll have to wait some months again? Aug 16 15:24:03 (only one question in fact) Aug 16 15:24:37 PaulFertser: i have no idea, to be honest. ptitjes would be the one to ask Aug 16 15:25:00 it looks like he did most of the recent work towards that Aug 16 15:25:27 mickeyl: ah, i thought you cared and followed. Well, everything will happen when the time comes... Aug 16 15:26:19 i do care, but i can't follow everything. last time i asked ptitjes was two weeks ago and he said it didn't look like juergbi wanted to push it before 1.0 Aug 16 15:27:08 1.0 which is supposed to come out with the next gnome version Aug 16 15:27:38 I'd love to see this showstopper being fixed, but apparantly it's a tough nut Aug 16 15:27:43 next gnome version? Aug 16 15:27:47 oh shit ;x Aug 16 15:28:04 when it'll happen? :P Aug 16 15:28:07 dos1: yeah my first thought as well: wtf, we don't want to care about gnome releases Aug 16 15:28:11 2.28 is around the corner iirc Aug 16 15:28:48 * dos1 prefers KDE :D Aug 16 15:29:50 PaulFertser: ack Aug 16 15:29:51 * PaulFertser prefers ion3 Aug 16 15:31:45 mickeyl, did you already fix the "won't suspend until screen tap" thingie? Aug 16 15:31:53 * dos1 is waiting for someone who'll say "/me prefers exporer.exe" ;) Aug 16 15:32:11 * mrmoku thinks dos1 should change chan then ;) Aug 16 15:32:38 mrmoku: not yet, no. i'm on that, but the problems with getting my device up again with latest software has slowed me down Aug 16 15:32:47 mickeyl, hmm... strange Aug 16 15:32:51 worked for me Aug 16 15:33:04 mrmoku: it works with ousaged Aug 16 15:33:07 but somehow my pocket might just have touched the screen then ;) Aug 16 15:33:07 dos1: (kde) agree. allways get astmatic coughing when I encounter gconf on my laptop's syslog Aug 16 15:33:10 mrmoku: but it doesn't on fsousaged Aug 16 15:33:56 mrmoku: but mickeyl implements better way in fsousaged, than it's implemented now in ousaged ;) Aug 16 15:34:56 *nod* Aug 16 15:34:56 yup, that's what I got Aug 16 15:35:15 lowlevel plugins for suspend/resume Aug 16 15:35:21 sounds so cooooools Aug 16 15:35:37 * TAsn prefers exporer.exe Aug 16 15:35:57 yup, it's much better way than just calling IdleNotifier.SetState('busy'), as ousaged does now ;) Aug 16 15:36:08 don't you mean exploder.exe ? Aug 16 15:36:27 damn dos1 forgot the 'l' Aug 16 15:36:28 :| Aug 16 15:36:35 ;> Aug 16 15:36:46 dos1, you tricked me again! :( Aug 16 15:36:53 I'm such a sucker. Aug 16 15:37:15 you always screw up! ;D Aug 16 15:37:15 TAsn: scap Aug 16 15:37:15 TAsn, suck the new testing and test it then ;) Aug 16 15:37:31 mrmoku, it's up? Aug 16 15:37:35 i added wallpaper, as i checked and it doesn't hurt too much in speed Aug 16 15:37:38 dos1, saw it :) Aug 16 15:37:43 oh Aug 16 15:37:46 wallpaper? Aug 16 15:37:51 I thought you were talking about shr-settings Aug 16 15:37:52 sec Aug 16 15:37:52 TAsn, tests/mrmoku/testing Aug 16 15:37:52 :{ Aug 16 15:38:10 TAsn: work on themes still continues :D Aug 16 15:38:17 TAsn: syscon theme is also added Aug 16 15:38:28 actually wallpaper can't hurt much, as we got something similar already Aug 16 15:38:29 dos1, I can't see a wallpaper scap. Aug 16 15:38:50 TAsn: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/695949da4334e409d9c4260fe6095e60.png Aug 16 15:38:53 TAsn: the latest Aug 16 15:38:55 ;) Aug 16 15:39:06 oh lol Aug 16 15:39:08 didn't notice Aug 16 15:39:13 so subtle :) Aug 16 15:39:14 it isn't as noticable, but it just look nicer Aug 16 15:39:16 ;) Aug 16 15:39:16 mrmoku, downloading :) Aug 16 15:39:31 * mrmoku wonders why the operator is called 'Plus GSM' and not 'Blue GSM' :P Aug 16 15:39:54 mrmoku: /me edits networks.tab Aug 16 15:39:55 ;D Aug 16 15:39:57 mickeyl: what's the suggested attack vector now to fix that frameworkd stall on calls? Aug 16 15:40:32 mickeyl: (gprs that is) Aug 16 15:40:43 mrmoku: few years ago, when i had Motorola C651, i edited binary file with operator lists and i had "dos GSM" displayed on main screen ;D Aug 16 15:40:53 how do we attack the connman downgrade? Aug 16 15:40:54 dos1, :) Aug 16 15:42:23 mickeyl, around.. i happened to noticed that a accelerometer is missing for fsodeviced. or is it hiding somwhere? Aug 16 15:42:26 mrmoku: doing ln -s in do_install in recipe is safe? Aug 16 15:42:45 or it should be in postinst? Aug 16 15:42:59 dos1, ln -s what? Aug 16 15:43:50 mrmoku: i want to have symlink from /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash-vga.ppm to /usr/share/shr-splash/theme/xsplash-vga.ppm in shr-splash package Aug 16 15:44:10 i wanted to have it since beginning, but i was too lazy :P Aug 16 15:44:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbc50f1627d32 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsousaged: for some reason, my constructors were not called. use 'construct' to work around for now Aug 16 15:44:43 dos1, not sure... but I guess postinst would be fine Aug 16 15:44:45 hmmm, no answer means "open a fucking ticket!" :-S ? Aug 16 15:44:57 Sup3rkiddo: i never thought accellerometer was a good idea to add to odevice Aug 16 15:45:06 but John insisted back then Aug 16 15:45:18 at least not in the form it was dne Aug 16 15:45:19 done Aug 16 15:45:43 mrmoku: can you do that, please? :D Aug 16 15:45:43 it will come back when we have gesture support Aug 16 15:45:43 but simply forwarding values does not make sense IMO Aug 16 15:45:43 mickeyl, i see Aug 16 15:45:44 that's better done through the input node directly Aug 16 15:45:54 i'll look if our Xglamo configuration is ok for using that Aug 16 15:46:00 mickeyl, ah ok Aug 16 15:46:58 mrmoku: configuration is correct :) Aug 16 15:49:27 dos1, configuration? Aug 16 15:49:44 ahh, ok Aug 16 15:49:52 yep will add the postinst Aug 16 15:51:06 whoyäs maintainer of our initscripts? Aug 16 15:51:25 whomever it may concern? Aug 16 15:51:30 Hello everyone Aug 16 15:52:19 ho Toaster` Aug 16 15:53:02 DocScrutinizer, tell me Aug 16 15:53:52 How is everyone doing? I'm back for a while now, I had a stretch of insane business at work, overseas travel, and vacation Aug 16 15:54:16 add fixing of uSD "*slow_ratio" sysfs node from default 8 to a nice 1 for A7 hw revision at least Aug 16 15:54:40 mrmoku: as it is no use on A7 to slow down uSD-clock Aug 16 15:54:53 TAsn: Did you get my response e-mail? Aug 16 15:54:53 mrmoku: not tested for other revisions Aug 16 15:55:14 had to go to some boot-basics script Aug 16 15:55:58 mrmoku: of course I'd prefer kicking that nonsense out of kernel completely Aug 16 15:56:31 mrmoku: i.e. make the kernel default = 1 Aug 16 15:56:51 DocScrutinizer, and how to tell the hw revision inside the initscript? Aug 16 15:56:52 mrmoku: and let userland (initscript) do the nasty Aug 16 15:57:08 read out right sysfs node? Aug 16 15:57:30 PaulFertser: explained how to do some 60min ago Aug 16 15:58:10 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * ra17055e497ca 10/shr-splash/shr-splash-theme-niebiee/xsplash-vga.ppm: shr-splash-theme-niebiee: add dithering to ppm file to make it looking better with Xglamo Aug 16 15:58:23 * mrmoku was not here 60min ago Aug 16 15:59:34 [14:03] ndnihil: yes, proc/cpuinfo shows the old stuff Aug 16 15:59:40 yay Aug 16 16:00:06 booting looks soooo cute and professional now with everything set with niebiee theme :) Aug 16 16:00:10 (except boot time :D) Aug 16 16:00:22 [14:04] blindcoder: cat /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-version.0/pcb Aug 16 16:00:31 and kernel output doing black stripes into the deep blue :P Aug 16 16:00:33 DocScrutinizer, ok Aug 16 16:00:53 * mrmoku moving into the garden Aug 16 16:00:57 mrmoku: ok means you'll patch it? :) Aug 16 16:01:00 mrmoku: kernel output? we have loglevel = 0 by default ; Aug 16 16:01:02 ;x Aug 16 16:01:08 DocScrutinizer, ok means I will look into it, yeah Aug 16 16:01:14 i don't have single kernel output line when booting Aug 16 16:01:14 cool Aug 16 16:01:19 dos1, I get output anyway Aug 16 16:01:28 and even without output... there is the blinking cursor ;) Aug 16 16:01:31 :( Aug 16 16:01:33 strange Aug 16 16:01:39 i don't have both :P Aug 16 16:01:49 qi vs uboot Aug 16 16:01:50 only really small black rect on top left corner Aug 16 16:01:59 but really small and without blinking Aug 16 16:02:14 i have qi Aug 16 16:02:16 :P Aug 16 16:02:24 and booting from µSD Aug 16 16:02:57 I have uboot and booting from uSD (even per default :-P ) Aug 16 16:03:39 but I have uboot menu to boot from nand if I like to :-P Aug 16 16:04:17 and i have not working nand Aug 16 16:04:22 so i don't care :D Aug 16 16:04:33 lol Aug 16 16:04:45 s/nand/nand content/ Aug 16 16:04:51 aaah Aug 16 16:04:55 it's fixable, but i have other things to do ;) Aug 16 16:04:59 dos1: when i can get my qemu setup up and running again, I'll start w/ fsoboot Aug 16 16:05:15 mickeyl: nice! :) Aug 16 16:05:16 yeeeehaaaaaaaa Aug 16 16:05:35 i can't stand the boot time any longer, really Aug 16 16:05:35 more bl for the world's rescue Aug 16 16:05:40 mickeyl: can we help you somehow with qemu setup? :D Aug 16 16:05:55 DocScrutinizer: hell no, not a bootloader :) Aug 16 16:06:08 dos1: probably not, just needs to build and run Aug 16 16:06:30 this is something that i don't want to develop on the device since turnarounds are too cumbersome Aug 16 16:06:39 mickeyl: so we just have to motivate you ;> Aug 16 16:06:43 oh Aug 16 16:06:48 nice color of sky Aug 16 16:06:57 soo blue :D Aug 16 16:07:02 mickeyl: ooh, so upstart-III then? Aug 16 16:07:23 DocScrutinizer: no, more something like a superoptimized linuxrc Aug 16 16:07:43 mickeyl, will that obsolete the thoughts about upstart? Aug 16 16:07:44 i c Aug 16 16:07:58 * mrmoku still has that on his todo list :P Aug 16 16:07:58 a single compiled binary that executes the necessary steps of system initialization and then runs userland Aug 16 16:08:47 * dos1 dreams for 3 seconds booting time as presented on eee PC few months ago :D Aug 16 16:09:22 mrmoku: it probably just fills a gap. the exercise of fsoboot is to understand the minimum amount of things necessary before we can launch into a UI. upstart would still be preferred for folks who need a real init w/ dynamic services and stuff. fsoboot will not start any services but dbus. Aug 16 16:10:30 mickeyl: how is at/cron supposed to work then? Aug 16 16:10:32 mickeyl, ok Aug 16 16:10:43 mrmoku: shr-splash-theme? Aug 16 16:10:47 nooo, shr-splash_git.bb Aug 16 16:10:53 DocScrutinizer: not at all. fsoboot targets smartphones, not mobile linux devices Aug 16 16:10:54 or is fso-at a replacement for atd? Aug 16 16:11:06 dos1, he Aug 16 16:11:09 don't know anything about that, to be honest Aug 16 16:11:13 mrmoku: it's symlink to be done once Aug 16 16:11:28 check RTC, ffalarms etc Aug 16 16:11:30 but eventually fso should ship with some more cli utils Aug 16 16:11:37 that take over the function of the old crew Aug 16 16:12:17 mickeyl: I'm pushing that already, as you might have noticed ;) Aug 16 16:12:26 mrmoku: as there is already symlink from /usr/share/shr-splash/theme/ to /usr/share/shr-splash/themes/shr-splash-theme-whatever-selected/ Aug 16 16:12:49 dos1, yeah... it does that only if not existant Aug 16 16:12:53 mrmoku: hmm Aug 16 16:12:55 * mrmoku did not see shr-splash :( Aug 16 16:12:55 mrmoku: then ok Aug 16 16:12:57 :) Aug 16 16:13:02 well... Aug 16 16:13:35 will move it to shr-splash... much cleaner Aug 16 16:13:44 DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's good. i should take some time and add these to fso directly Aug 16 16:13:47 ok Aug 16 16:14:20 mickeyl: though my current vector is to invent complementary cli-utils for FSO generic stuff, and otherwise think about augmenting the "old guys" to be FSO-aware Aug 16 16:15:24 mrmoku: is your boot splash working now? Aug 16 16:15:24 fso-at (or whatever it's actually called" is a result of the seconf half of that effort Aug 16 16:15:42 dos1, yep, I removed and installed it again Aug 16 16:15:42 DocScrutinizer: fso-atd ;) Aug 16 16:15:44 and now it works Aug 16 16:16:06 root@om-gta02 ~ $ cat /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-version.0/pcb Aug 16 16:16:06 0x001 Aug 16 16:16:15 DocScrutinizer, that would be 0x002 for A7? Aug 16 16:16:39 mrmoku: so now build shr-splash (and themes, and if you want also other niebiee themes :P), install those packages on your neo and then look at nice boot process! :D Aug 16 16:18:14 mrmoku: i think today i'll change look of slider in elementary theme, as it's too dark for me ;x Aug 16 16:18:30 but later Aug 16 16:19:01 or maybe now Aug 16 16:19:02 ? Aug 16 16:19:04 ;X Aug 16 16:19:12 mrmoku: no, it'd be 0x101 of a7 Aug 16 16:21:16 PaulFertser, and that pcb node exists for gta01 too? Aug 16 16:21:44 mrmoku: no Aug 16 16:22:23 PaulFertser, so... if it exists... and has content of 0x101 it is safe to set 1? Aug 16 16:22:44 it's 0x000 for a5 Aug 16 16:24:00 mrmoku: my guess would be that it's safe for any gta02 revision but Doc tested only a7. Aug 16 16:29:48 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rc900cc4c1458 10/elementary/elementary-theme-niebiee/images/ (sl_bt2_0_0.png sl_bt2_0_1.png sl_bt2_0_2.png sl_bt_0.png): elementary-theme-niebiee: make sliders lighter Aug 16 16:32:25 hey dos1, is your niebee made for X11-16? Aug 16 16:32:56 Toaster`: yup, all my screenies on scap are done with x11-16 engine Aug 16 16:33:00 PaulFertser, what is the test procedure? Aug 16 16:33:08 excellent Aug 16 16:33:32 dos1, can I build your theme now? Aug 16 16:34:14 mrmoku: i want to do make that "enlightenment shutting down..." window more blue, but i think it'll take some time to find it in default theme Aug 16 16:34:20 mrmoku: so i think you can build ;) Aug 16 16:34:25 k Aug 16 16:34:37 mrmoku: (.../pcb) 0x101 Aug 16 16:35:19 DocScrutinizer: no, the test to see it's safe on a6 and a5. Aug 16 16:35:26 ~seen raster Aug 16 16:35:27 raster was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 12d 15h 32m 42s ago, saying: 'i only tried twice - but didnt have the time to keep trying'. Aug 16 16:35:38 DocScrutinizer, yep, how does one test if it's safe? Aug 16 16:35:40 hmm? i saw him few days ago ;x Aug 16 16:35:45 ~seen Dave Aug 16 16:35:45 i haven't seen 'dave', Zorkman Aug 16 16:36:03 i have little patch for elementary :P Aug 16 16:36:16 bzzbot has forgotten Dave! Aug 16 16:36:43 ;( Aug 16 16:37:51 mrmoku: PaulFertser: set this divisor (usd_slow-foo) from 8 to 1. start GPS. wait for fix, check signal of strongest steadiest sat. start a dd if=uSD of=dev/null. Watch if sat signal sees a drop Aug 16 16:38:40 DocScrutinizer: well. that's me who should do that i think :P Aug 16 16:38:44 DocScrutinizer: as i have a5 Aug 16 16:38:49 without gps fix Aug 16 16:38:57 if drop of sat signal strength is <3dB I'd consider it safe Aug 16 16:38:58 dos1, yep, do that with a5... I will try on a6 Aug 16 16:40:49 watch signal strength for an averaging window of ~15sec minimum, before, during, and after dd. make sure signal before and after dd is same, so reading during dd can be considered accurate Aug 16 16:41:06 Mirv: got the segfault pinned. Mostly. Aug 16 16:42:13 btw though the default slow-divisor is 8, it resulted in just halving the speed of my uSD Aug 16 16:42:39 just to lower your expectations in that Aug 16 16:43:01 * mrmoku would be happy with doubled speed too :D Aug 16 16:43:21 uSD speed won't prolly pump up to lighting fast on that fix :-/ Aug 16 16:43:48 DocScrutinizer, does it matter if I set the divisor after getting a fix? Aug 16 16:43:54 (for the test) Aug 16 16:44:08 mrmoku: well it impacts only as long as gps active, but then it was 680k vs 1.9M for me Aug 16 16:44:18 nonmatter Aug 16 16:44:36 aiui it kicks in immediately Aug 16 16:45:31 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re70733ce85d7 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Aug 16 16:45:31 freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: call org.freesmartphone.IdleNotifier.SetState( ... ) on resume. Aug 16 16:45:31 freesmartphone.org: lowlevel_openmoko: properly recognize reason and subreason. Aug 16 16:46:06 DocScrutinizer: the signal wasn't steady for me on any sat. Aug 16 16:46:18 mrmoku: all: and thanks for review/test/improvement. after all I could be wrong still Aug 16 16:46:48 dos1, what is the signal strength in shr-settings? the one outside the brackets? Aug 16 16:46:53 PaulFertser: still no steady USA borne signal in USSR? too bad ;-D Aug 16 16:47:10 DocScrutinizer: probably the fact i was inside contributed. Aug 16 16:47:30 mrmoku: you need to view the signal strength of some individual sat. Aug 16 16:47:46 PaulFertser, yeah, shr-settings has sattelite details module :) Aug 16 16:47:56 -t+l Aug 16 16:48:17 mrmoku: yep Aug 16 16:48:35 DocScrutinizer: without dd - 47-51 Aug 16 16:48:36 dos1: opimd question, are outgoing messages planned to be stored in the db? Aug 16 16:48:39 DocScrutinizer: with dd - 41-47 Aug 16 16:48:48 Toaster`: they are Aug 16 16:48:51 cool Aug 16 16:48:56 Toaster`: if you're using opimd based app ;P Aug 16 16:49:03 of course Aug 16 16:49:07 ouch,that's up to anybody's decision then Aug 16 16:49:30 41 still is a lot for GPS Aug 16 16:49:58 but a loss of 10dB is more than I'd accept anyway Aug 16 16:50:07 DocScrutinizer: but mostly ~45 with dd, ~50 without Aug 16 16:50:17 if I was heavily GPS-centric person Aug 16 16:50:37 that's good still Aug 16 16:51:06 DocScrutinizer: btw, thanks to that test i discovered bug Aug 16 16:51:16 DocScrutinizer: shr-settings satellite details isn't theme agnostic ;) Aug 16 16:51:36 please do the same test with *slow-foo=8, it yielded even worse results for me Aug 16 16:52:11 are you guys testing to improve sd card speed? Aug 16 16:52:59 so if the default 8 isn't any better, we still don't want it, even if GPS were completely borked during uSD access Aug 16 16:53:08 Zorkman: yup Aug 16 16:53:38 DocScrutinizer: nice, any idea how much we can improve the speeD? Aug 16 16:53:54 (btw: couldn't we just change it, according to GPS being used or not?) Aug 16 16:54:02 *2.5 maybe. only while GPS active Aug 16 16:54:14 aha, I see Aug 16 16:54:27 Zorkman: that's exactly how it works now ;-) Aug 16 16:54:58 x2.5 is quite a lot... (especially since some GPS apps like navit use a lot of CPU sometimes; and I boot from SD) Aug 16 16:55:51 but probably the way it works now was based on some dry logic and never tested in field for actual effectiveness Aug 16 16:55:58 DocScrutinizer, yeah... have similiar results Aug 16 16:56:13 drop from 38/39 to 32-34 Aug 16 16:56:36 after stopping the dd it does not go up again though Aug 16 16:56:45 mrmoku: please check with a loupe if there are any capacitors next to your uSD socket solderpoints Aug 16 16:57:21 mrmoku: so redo whole procedure ;-) Aug 16 16:57:21 DocScrutinizer: with radio 8 -> 47-49 with and without dd Aug 16 16:58:18 mrmoku: though the 5dB seem to be what we expect to see Aug 16 16:58:38 and might want to accept for bargain of uSD bandwidth Aug 16 16:58:54 DocScrutinizer: but more 49 without, and more 47 with dd :P Aug 16 16:59:25 so I assume you have a very good device Aug 16 16:59:34 A5? Aug 16 16:59:42 i have a5, yup Aug 16 17:00:09 from last a5 batch AFAIK Aug 16 17:00:32 k, fellas. have fun with tests. I'll do further tests with A6, A5 for myself later on. Time for brunch now Aug 16 17:01:26 please don't forget to do test with value 8 for slowdown. It might yield surprising results ;-) Aug 16 17:01:37 DocScrutinizer: my last test was with 8 Aug 16 17:01:41 (47-49) Aug 16 17:02:24 mrmoku, ping Aug 16 17:02:26 could anybody start a thread where all results summ up? hw-ml maybe? Aug 16 17:02:37 sorry really have to run now Aug 16 17:03:13 or probably better kernel-ml Aug 16 17:03:43 anyway CC me please Aug 16 17:03:43 cya Aug 16 17:03:43 bbl Aug 16 17:04:02 DocScrutinizer, ok, retried with another sat (that meanwhile got the strongest) Aug 16 17:04:05 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * re16f3f1f2aef 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_gpsinfo.py: [GPSInfo] make satelite details theme agnostic Aug 16 17:04:09 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r5a70dab455ea 10/ (setup.py shr-settings shr_settings_modules/shr_elementary.py): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-settings Aug 16 17:04:21 and it wen't from 37/38 to 34-36 Aug 16 17:04:21 ~seen ptitjes Aug 16 17:04:22 ptitjes was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 9d 6h 28m 38s ago, saying: 'bye'. Aug 16 17:04:26 F4t, pong Aug 16 17:05:24 DocScrutinizer, can I check the solderpoints without opening anything? Aug 16 17:05:33 yup Aug 16 17:05:52 * mrmoku powers down the thing Aug 16 17:06:06 the ones you need to watch your fingernail when opening uSD holder Aug 16 17:06:41 cya Aug 16 17:10:16 DocScrutinizer, wait a sec... took a foto for you :P Aug 16 17:11:59 DocScrutinizer, http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/DSCN4935.JPG Aug 16 17:12:14 I would say no... but what do I know about hw :P Aug 16 17:13:20 3 to 4 from right Aug 16 17:13:32 A6 with fix Aug 16 17:13:39 heh :) Aug 16 17:13:44 now FOOOR REEEAL Aug 16 17:13:50 DocScrutinizer, thanks cu Aug 16 17:13:57 * mrmoku dinner Aug 16 17:14:21 mrmoku: do you have any issues locking in your uSD card? I had a similar fix put onto mine, but it was a tight fit Aug 16 17:40:43 Toaster`, yes. Aug 16 17:40:51 I'll respond to it when i'll have time Aug 16 17:41:10 Cool. I just want to make sure I take the right direction for things Aug 16 17:41:44 There still is an open ticket in trac, so things could be added to that Aug 16 17:42:04 Toaster`, /me is too tired to think. Aug 16 17:42:13 heh, Understood Aug 16 17:42:42 Toaster`, for real. Aug 16 17:42:55 I'm now thinking whether I should go to sleep Aug 16 17:43:03 do my h.w (half asleep) Aug 16 17:43:15 or workout (3/4 asleep) Aug 16 17:43:43 That's usually a good idea. Though I used to do my home work tired/drunk... made for some interesting solutions :) Aug 16 17:44:10 Toaster`, hehe been there done that. Aug 16 17:44:20 and it's a great wtf generator Aug 16 17:44:20 That was years ago though Aug 16 17:44:21 :) Aug 16 17:44:29 heh, verily! Aug 16 17:44:30 also coding while drunk/99%asleep Aug 16 17:47:43 oh, almost or forgot Aug 16 17:47:54 I can also study to my theoretical mot test. Aug 16 17:48:08 driving exam? Aug 16 17:48:43 Toaster`, yes, enlarging my motorcycle license. Aug 16 17:48:49 from a2 to a1. Aug 16 17:48:51 Easy, for the written test, the longest answer is always right, and for the practical, don't hit anything! Aug 16 17:48:56 ahh cool Aug 16 17:49:07 Toaster`, I'll try to remember those :) Aug 16 17:49:24 Toaster`, those as for the written test Aug 16 17:49:32 they became smarter Aug 16 17:49:45 it's now sometimes the shortest answer which is correct Aug 16 17:49:56 crazy days. Aug 16 17:50:16 though when I did my first written test it was exactly as your described it ;) Aug 16 17:51:10 ahh... darn. I was thinking of trying for my M1 (motorcycle license) next year. I may actually have to study then Aug 16 17:52:00 Toaster`, "study" Aug 16 17:52:08 I ain't gonna study more than a couple of hours still Aug 16 17:52:20 but damn, studying is a boring ;) Aug 16 17:52:44 helps me to fall asleep Aug 16 17:53:02 Toaster`, as I said, I don't need help in that. Aug 16 17:53:08 I'm half dead :) Aug 16 17:53:33 Then sleep, work/study when you are rested Aug 16 17:55:56 Toaster`, no, have no issues locking it Aug 16 17:56:06 might be due to lots of experience meanwhile though :P Aug 16 17:56:08 Toaster`: half dead != dead Aug 16 17:56:32 s/Toaster`: Aug 16 17:56:33 mrmoku: I guess I had the tech install it too high on the pins then, mine was pertty tight Aug 16 17:56:37 TAsn Aug 16 17:56:50 Toaster`, I didn't even know I have it :P Aug 16 17:57:02 hm keyboard plays some nasty tricks Aug 16 17:57:26 TAsn: half dead != dead so you still can go on ;) Aug 16 17:58:27 dos1, what do you think about a 'I have the GPS fix' checker in GPS module? Aug 16 18:00:04 bumbl, I know Aug 16 18:00:09 that's why I'm trying... :) Aug 16 18:00:48 ;) Aug 16 18:01:05 F4t, pong pong Aug 16 18:01:20 mrmoku, does connman 0.38 work? Aug 16 18:01:26 F4t, not very good Aug 16 18:01:34 define not very good Aug 16 18:01:41 I'm downstairs with my laptop now... so I can debug Aug 16 18:01:47 Exception on proposescan: org.moblin.connman.Error.InProgress: In progress Aug 16 18:02:04 Toaster`, bumbl, thanks! I'm going to workout! you inspired me not to be a bitch ;) I'll stop spamming off-topic here for the following hour :) Aug 16 18:02:15 F4t, not very good = it does not find my network Aug 16 18:02:23 iwlist scan finds it immediately though Aug 16 18:02:37 mrmoku, how about connecting to it as if its hidden? Aug 16 18:03:34 mrmoku: hmm? Aug 16 18:03:38 mrmoku: there is "fix" field Aug 16 18:03:44 none, unknown, invalid, 2d or 3d Aug 16 18:04:00 F4t, trying now Aug 16 18:04:16 dos1, nah... talking about the SD hardware fix :P Aug 16 18:04:29 aaah Aug 16 18:04:31 as there are A6 (like mine) out there, that have the fix Aug 16 18:05:04 F4t, File "/usr/share/mokonnect/mkdev_wifi.py", line 400, in _ConnectHidden Aug 16 18:05:09 DBusException: org.moblin.connman.Error.InvalidArguments: Invalid arguments Aug 16 18:05:36 oh ffs Aug 16 18:05:47 dos1, some configuration checker which sets a file that can be respected via initscript Aug 16 18:07:22 im so tired of connman shit Aug 16 18:07:35 F4t, I'm very close to get nm to build Aug 16 18:07:45 missing just some freaking rpath hardcoded issue.... Aug 16 18:07:54 good, cause im very close to end it all Aug 16 18:17:33 dos1, hmm... thinking about it... maybe it does not even belong to shr-settings Aug 16 18:17:46 as it is supposed to work on other hardware too Aug 16 18:32:27 F4t, so what to do meanwhile? go back to 0.37? :P Aug 16 18:32:41 (or even much older?) Aug 16 18:33:25 Mirv: remind me, did the segfault in memcpy() happen before or after applying the "no memory mapping" patch? i've made "my" crash (the one in fbValidateGC) go away, but i'm now seeing "your" one, so they might be separate things after all.. Aug 16 18:39:18 F4t, or would you prefer to brute force NM? :P Aug 16 18:48:45 mrmoku, try older, i dunno.... Aug 16 18:49:00 i'd prefer to switch the wifi to Supplicant dbus Aug 16 18:49:25 F4t, what's that? Aug 16 18:49:35 wpa_supplicant has dbus interface? Aug 16 18:51:28 mrmoku, it does, thats how connman configures wifi Aug 16 18:52:53 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * re21dc6a4a180 10/shr_settings_modules/ (shr_elementary.py shr_services.py): [Services] little refactor. Add ophonekitd button, insert it along with frameworkd and xserver-nodm on top, and add confirmation inwin for those three buttons Aug 16 18:54:40 F4t, ahh, ok Aug 16 18:55:42 shouldnt be too hard since the only functionality connman adds is minimal passphrase handling Aug 16 19:09:23 F4t, would it be possible for you to do that supplicant dbus stuff quite fast and would you be willing to still play with nm after that? Aug 16 19:12:37 F4t, heh... just managed to build the beast :D Aug 16 19:13:04 Weiss: was that patch the one that disabled non-accelerated functioning you asked me to test? I got the memcpy segfault when starting nodm, and I thought I simply didn't get a good backtrace because of the middle layers between gdb and glamo (my limited understanding about debugging..). when I started and debugged Xorg directly, I got the segfault when freeing memory, http://pastebin.com/f221d1b29 Aug 16 19:14:46 Weiss: with the 0001-Debug-stuff patch then I couldn't get it to crash easily anymore Aug 16 19:16:17 (though I eventually got this http://pastebin.com/m2c5df67 ) Aug 16 19:17:17 I hope I'll have time tomorrow to try your latest commits Aug 16 19:21:32 mrmoku, cant do anything quite fast nowadays, have a job now, can only have time on weekends Aug 16 19:27:39 Mirv: ok, thanks. yes - i meant that patch. i'd be interested to know if any of your crashes go away with the new stuff. the crashes i have are just after resume and when switching to the second tab from the left in TangoGPS. before today's work, starting TangoGPS at all would crash the server Aug 16 19:32:22 F4t, ok Aug 16 19:33:03 mrmoku: how is phonegui2 + gui dbusification going? Aug 16 19:33:20 bumbl____, hmm... quite slowly :( Aug 16 19:38:55 btw, mrmoku, dos1, we should make a per theme package Aug 16 19:39:10 I mean a package that has many deps Aug 16 19:39:24 (which are all the theme's components) Aug 16 19:39:32 TAsn, ? can't follow? Aug 16 19:39:45 mrmoku, as I said before I'm a bit off Aug 16 19:39:49 though let me explain ;) Aug 16 19:40:06 we have e-wm-theme-niebee and elm-theme-niebee (or whatever) Aug 16 19:40:12 I'm suggesting the creation of Aug 16 19:40:15 shr-theme-niebee Aug 16 19:40:20 that just has both of those as a dep Aug 16 19:40:30 for easy installation of a whole theme set. Aug 16 19:40:37 ahh... theme meta packages Aug 16 19:40:41 yeah, might be a good idea Aug 16 19:41:03 TAsn, wont me to bump the EFL? ;) Aug 16 19:41:10 s/wont/want/ Aug 16 19:41:10 mrmoku meant: TAsn, want me to bump the EFL? ;) Aug 16 19:41:16 mrmoku, I don't really care Aug 16 19:41:20 :P Aug 16 19:41:22 as you were strongly against it Aug 16 19:41:28 now that we have the correct revs for testing Aug 16 19:41:31 it doesn't really matter. Aug 16 19:41:34 (does it?) Aug 16 19:41:49 TAsn, nah, you were strongly against it :) Aug 16 19:42:06 mrmoku, as I was in favor of a testing image (iirc) Aug 16 19:42:07 but yes, bump for unstable only Aug 16 19:42:19 so I don't give a *swear word* Aug 16 19:42:20 TAsn, btw.... did you try it? Aug 16 19:42:28 :) Aug 16 19:42:35 mrmoku, depends on how you define trying Aug 16 19:42:38 I did download it Aug 16 19:42:41 haven't flashed it :) Aug 16 19:42:49 so I partially tried it Aug 16 19:42:53 :P Aug 16 19:42:54 downloading works wel Aug 16 19:42:55 l Aug 16 19:42:56 :{ Aug 16 19:42:58 :) Aug 16 19:43:23 mrmoku, as I said a couple of times earlier, I have a lot to do and little (to no) strength to do it with :) Aug 16 19:43:46 TAsn, is ok... just wanted to know :) Aug 16 19:44:01 TAsn, I installed it... and used it today Aug 16 19:44:05 did even some phonecalls Aug 16 19:44:08 mrmoku, I know, though I feel bad that I haven't Aug 16 19:44:19 and had successfull GPS experiences Aug 16 19:44:30 mrmoku, what about Ainulindale ? did he test it on a gta01? Aug 16 19:44:46 TAsn, no idea... don't think so Aug 16 19:44:48 Ainulindale, ping Aug 16 19:44:51 Ainulindale, did you test it? :P Aug 16 19:45:32 :| Aug 16 19:45:41 no answer, I guess he's afk. Aug 16 19:45:56 anyhow, I'll give it proper testing tomorrow (hopefully) Aug 16 19:46:17 (I mean install it today and give it proper testing tomorrow at work/day) Aug 16 19:46:25 I just need to remember :) Aug 16 19:46:50 ok :) Aug 16 20:04:08 Such a good one piece episode, too bad it ended so soon :( Aug 16 20:04:22 btw mrmoku I need some cool eye candies for showing off Aug 16 20:04:37 atm I can't really show off with the mok Aug 16 20:04:37 o Aug 16 20:04:43 TAsn, just comitted the recipe for nm-0.7.1 Aug 16 20:04:45 I got mokomaze and numpty which rock Aug 16 20:04:50 mrmoku, that's not an eye candy. Aug 16 20:04:53 ;) Aug 16 20:04:53 don't know if that fits into the eye candy category though ;) Aug 16 20:04:59 :) Aug 16 20:05:14 my phone can connect to wifi! (from cl) how cool is that? :) Aug 16 20:05:50 mrmoku: and wifi will work with mokonnect ?:> Aug 16 20:05:59 soltys, well... not yet Aug 16 20:06:17 it is not yet NM aware :P Aug 16 20:06:19 mrmoku: but it is planed ? Aug 16 20:06:21 ;) Aug 16 20:06:28 soltys, hopefully yes :) Aug 16 20:06:45 can't wait ;) Aug 16 20:06:53 mrmoku: hopefully NM won't be stopped by wifi driver bugs ;P Aug 16 20:07:36 dos1, well as long as it does not get stopped by itself... like connman ;) Aug 16 20:07:41 I will be happy Aug 16 20:07:46 About patches.. is it needed to use a seperate git checkout or place to create a patch and work with code or is it possible to use existing bitbake shr-unstable tree or something from the building process? How do you handle it? Aug 16 20:08:13 ok, I'm trying to kill two birds in one night, off to do some h.w Aug 16 20:08:14 ciao. Aug 16 20:08:14 :) Aug 16 20:08:15 TeLLuS, I myself have an extra OE tree for that Aug 16 20:08:27 TAsn, ciao Aug 16 20:08:39 TeLLuS, though it might work with one and the same tree too Aug 16 20:08:52 if you take care to not use make update to wipe all your changes ;) Aug 16 20:08:52 mrmoku, thanks, you ciao reminded me to flash testing before I go :) Aug 16 20:09:00 TAsn, :) Aug 16 20:12:53 mrmoku, okie, shr is booting. Aug 16 20:12:54 :) Aug 16 20:13:09 TAsn, good thing :) Aug 16 20:13:31 now shower and school work. Aug 16 20:13:37 TAsn, have fun Aug 16 20:16:17 mrmoku: I think the image build remove the source if the build sucsessful.. Probably easier to handle if kept seperate.. will see Aug 16 20:16:49 oh, before I go Aug 16 20:17:06 dos1, I think having niebee in gray Aug 16 20:17:22 may "work" as a default shr theme :) Aug 16 20:18:15 mrmoku, BAD! Aug 16 20:18:18 (testing image) Aug 16 20:18:18 TAsn: if there won't be any better, nicer theme, i'll do "szaree" (szare - gray in polish :D) Aug 16 20:18:28 - SetScenario(gsmhandset) Aug 16 20:18:32 still exists in rules :( Aug 16 20:18:33 TAsn: but i won't like it :P Aug 16 20:18:48 dos1, we don't give a *swear word* about what you like, as you like blue :) Aug 16 20:18:56 s/we/I/ Aug 16 20:18:56 TAsn meant: dos1, I don't give a *swear word* about what you like, as you like blue :) Aug 16 20:18:57 :) Aug 16 20:19:07 too blue. that is. Aug 16 20:19:21 anyhow, mrmoku, please remove setscenario from rules.yaml Aug 16 20:19:24 for good Aug 16 20:19:24 hmm Aug 16 20:19:27 differently Aug 16 20:19:34 as we phonegui-efl handles in call state. Aug 16 20:19:37 i would consider gray niebiee as "ugly" :P Aug 16 20:20:16 anyhow, now I'm really off Aug 16 20:20:31 was just hoping to make sure mrmoku will remove this obsolete *swear word* Aug 16 20:23:13 TeLLuS, are you talking about developing OE stuff... or developing stuff with our applications? Aug 16 20:24:23 TAsn, will leave that to dos1... as I have no idea about that rules fancies :P Aug 16 20:24:39 mrmoku: just use newest frameworkd-config-shr Aug 16 20:24:47 dos1, fixed it there? Aug 16 20:24:55 TAsn: hmm... looking at it Aug 16 20:26:02 uh Aug 16 20:26:06 it's stil there Aug 16 20:26:08 mrmoku: depend on what itch to scratch, helping shr to begin with.. Aug 16 20:26:26 TeLLuS, we need help on all edges :P Aug 16 20:26:48 TAsn: why didn't you fix that before? Aug 16 20:26:50 ;P Aug 16 20:27:06 dos1, I'm crying about it for weeks Aug 16 20:27:07 TAsn: are we supporting bluetooth headset? Aug 16 20:27:14 dos1, not yet, no. Aug 16 20:27:28 same goes for headset btw Aug 16 20:27:33 I can add them both Aug 16 20:27:38 all I need is a weekend :) Aug 16 20:27:47 TAsn, we still have weekend ;) Aug 16 20:28:22 (and decent SYNC! though async is also ok, but a bit more annoying) frameworkd-glib bindings to some fso calls, which I understand already exist. Aug 16 20:28:47 so actually only one weekend and you'll have your headset + bt support :) Aug 16 20:29:03 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r0869c0b612df 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/ (om-gta01/rules.yaml om-gta02/rules.yaml rules.yaml): frameworkd-config-shr: comment out scenario handling when not using bluetooth headset Aug 16 20:29:48 mrmoku, too bad we are jews here :| Aug 16 20:29:57 I'm after a long day of work :| Aug 16 20:30:13 ouch :P Aug 16 20:30:18 anyhow, I'm going to take a shower, now for real :) Aug 16 20:30:41 or in other words, please stop beeping me ;) Aug 16 20:31:32 * TeLLuS_ on neo :) Aug 16 20:31:41 TeLLuS, wifi? Aug 16 20:31:42 I haven't read this through, though I think this is *BAD* Aug 16 20:31:44 http://blog.slyon.de/?p=507 Aug 16 20:32:02 actually our whole handling of stuff is quite bad Aug 16 20:32:04 TAsn, you have a IRC terminal in your shower? cool :P Aug 16 20:32:18 as we need to request the SCREEN only when the app in question is in focus Aug 16 20:32:38 otherwise, a rogue minimized app may kill our battery Aug 16 20:32:43 :| Aug 16 20:32:57 just my 2 agurot (israeli cents :) ) Aug 16 20:33:07 wifi gprs or usb, right now USB Aug 16 20:33:10 mrmoku, actually I do (moko) Aug 16 20:37:28 TAsn, take care... as I was told it is *not* waterproof :P Aug 16 20:41:15 mrmoku, now you tell me... :| Aug 16 20:41:23 Clear plastic bag with seal.. Aug 16 20:42:10 TeLLuS_, I'm not brave enough to try. Aug 16 20:43:15 NOTE: package networkmanager-0.7.1-r1: task do_compile: started Aug 16 20:44:54 mrmoku: how's life? Aug 16 20:46:42 DocScrutinizer, quite fine... compiling nm :) Aug 16 20:46:50 mrmoku: oh noes do you want to stuff that NM from gnome down our throats? Aug 16 20:46:59 as I paste before Aug 16 20:47:01 http://blog.slyon.de/?p=507&cpage=1#comment-8951 Aug 16 20:47:02 sound like fun - if it pans out Aug 16 20:47:05 what I think about it. Aug 16 20:47:15 we should really open this to discussion in the ML or something Aug 16 20:48:15 PaulFertser, nah, don't know yet... if it works fine, why not? Aug 16 20:48:26 PaulFertser, still in playing stage Aug 16 20:48:37 mrmoku: i've never saw anyone tried NM and not complained ;) Aug 16 20:48:49 PaulFertser, so.... here I am ;) Aug 16 20:49:03 TAsn: huh? Aug 16 20:49:09 DocScrutinizer, ? Aug 16 20:49:17 huh back to ya. (check out the link) Aug 16 20:49:18 blog.slyon.de/?p=507&cpage=1#comment-8951 Aug 16 20:49:25 DocScrutinizer, yes? Aug 16 20:49:57 it's a rather OT remark in that post, as far as I'm concerned Aug 16 20:50:06 DocScrutinizer, not quite Aug 16 20:50:13 or let me put it this way, I miss context Aug 16 20:50:28 DocScrutinizer, let me start with what I said a couple of times today Aug 16 20:50:32 * DocScrutinizer prolly should read backscroll Aug 16 20:50:34 I'm too tired to think Aug 16 20:50:34 :) Aug 16 20:50:40 but even so Aug 16 20:50:45 I think it is relevant Aug 16 20:50:58 as he suggested a method to auto allocate Aug 16 20:51:00 screen and cpu Aug 16 20:51:06 when using intone Aug 16 20:51:09 and I just pointed out Aug 16 20:51:10 naaaaah, NO WAY Aug 16 20:51:52 that this may cause "a suspend block" if the user accidentally minimized the app instead of closing it Aug 16 20:52:16 I bet this kind of annoying policies made apple allow only one app running at a time (j/k, but probably something similar) Aug 16 20:52:29 probably intone, as well as ffalarms, should allocate CPU via ALSA hooks method ;-) Aug 16 20:52:46 oops, I meant neon :) Aug 16 20:52:54 (a picture viewing app) Aug 16 20:53:02 what a shit Aug 16 20:53:23 this class of app never even MAY allocate CPU Aug 16 20:53:41 PaulFertser, NM matured a lot during its lifetime (IMHO) Aug 16 20:54:04 at least not per default, and at least not CPU. Display maaaaaay be Aug 16 20:54:22 DocScrutinizer, he pointed out a solid point though Aug 16 20:54:24 mrmoku: i doubt that. Debian always used /etc/network/interfaces to officially and properly configure all networking. Not NM! Aug 16 20:54:32 when doing a slideshow Aug 16 20:54:39 his moko turns blank Aug 16 20:54:41 which is annoying Aug 16 20:55:14 so if he wants to stop that, he could use fsoraw to allocate Display. But never CPU though Aug 16 20:55:33 that's my thought of the second Aug 16 20:56:11 PaulFertser, well I have to admit that I never had any (real) contact with debian Aug 16 20:56:20 DocScrutinizer, does display allocation prevent suspending? Aug 16 20:56:23 but I had lots of contact with NM (as Fedora user) Aug 16 20:56:34 and just that debian is not using it... is no argument :P Aug 16 20:56:36 mrmoku: ok, take e.g. gentoo. Same stuff: proper documented text config. Aug 16 20:56:37 as to me it seems nonsense a diashow continues to eat up and block CPU if user forced the screen to dimm Aug 16 20:56:56 TAsn: aiui it should Aug 16 20:57:12 DocScrutinizer, that's what I think. Aug 16 20:57:12 as you can't suspend and keep screen displaying Aug 16 20:57:14 DocScrutinizer: i don't think so Aug 16 20:57:19 DocScrutinizer, so yeah Aug 16 20:57:22 I think display only prevents blanking Aug 16 20:57:23 it should not request cpu Aug 16 20:57:24 PaulFertser: then that's a bug Aug 16 20:57:36 DocScrutinizer: sorry, i'm unsure. Aug 16 20:58:04 mrmoku, just verified auto-suspend Aug 16 20:58:10 PaulFertser: obviously suspending with screen disallowed to blank is a nogo Aug 16 20:58:13 PaulFertser, but you never tried NM yourself... did you? Aug 16 20:58:19 DocScrutinizer, anyhow Aug 16 20:58:43 I think Screen allocation should do nothing unless the screen is in focus Aug 16 20:58:49 in settings when I set autodim to off, it never suspends Aug 16 20:58:57 i.e we should write a "wrapper daemon" for screen Aug 16 20:58:59 mrmoku: probably did. Once. But how can it edit my main distro-specific configuration file in a sane way? Aug 16 20:59:16 that will allocate only for in focus apps Aug 16 20:59:24 as fso is not (and should not be) X aware. Aug 16 20:59:26 TAsn: how could screen ever lose focus? ;-P Aug 16 20:59:48 TAsn: maybe by switching to another VT? Aug 16 21:00:02 DocScrutinizer, no, I mean Aug 16 21:00:07 let's say I open neon Aug 16 21:00:12 and then open the contacts app Aug 16 21:00:17 now the contacts app is in focus Aug 16 21:00:25 PaulFertser, for Fedora it works quite nicely now... (after years of pain) Aug 16 21:00:28 therefore neon should not prevent suspending anymore Aug 16 21:00:31 TAsn: I know your point Aug 16 21:00:38 if you manually edit the config files... it picks it up immediately Aug 16 21:00:44 TAsn: we have no concept to handle that Aug 16 21:00:56 and if you configure networking via the nm-applet... it writes it to the config files Aug 16 21:01:03 DocScrutinizer, what do you mean? Aug 16 21:01:14 TAsn: and anyway it's highly debatable Aug 16 21:01:27 PaulFertser, don't know how it behaves on a debian system though (with /etc/network/interfaces) Aug 16 21:01:29 why is that? Aug 16 21:01:32 will tell you soon :P Aug 16 21:01:36 TAsn: there's only one screen resource called Display Aug 16 21:01:36 mrmoku: i don't trust gui configurators ever anyway Aug 16 21:02:17 all apps share that resource, and the resource doesn't make a difference about which screen has focus Aug 16 21:02:26 mrmoku: during my PC usage i in fact "downgraded" from gui etc to cli. Aug 16 21:02:29 DocScrutinizer, you missed my point Aug 16 21:02:39 I mean we should add another layer to that resource Aug 16 21:02:43 an "actually using it layer" Aug 16 21:02:56 as if an app asks for Display Aug 16 21:02:59 and doesn't actually use it Aug 16 21:03:08 it should not stop blanking or suspending Aug 16 21:03:20 for instance (as I said before) a minimized app Aug 16 21:03:33 TAsn: I discussed that with raster ad nauseum (though we were always on same page). Compare how maemo is doing it Aug 16 21:05:10 TAsn: you can do that for zeroclock, with a whitelist, a blacklist, or even with some resource allocating scheme. But probably you don't want to do that for display dimming. Especially if your WM has *any* means to show partially overlaying windows Aug 16 21:06:30 DocScrutinizer, I think we should just decide not to allow partially overlaying windows in order to solve it ;) Aug 16 21:06:42 muhaha Aug 16 21:06:48 back to fb then Aug 16 21:06:50 TAsn, we should compile windows CE for arm4 Aug 16 21:06:52 :P Aug 16 21:07:17 * F4t is read for the stoning... Aug 16 21:07:30 DocScrutinizer, we don't use it anyway :) Aug 16 21:07:47 ready* Aug 16 21:08:02 TAsn: bzzzzt, false Aug 16 21:08:15 [LOCKED] Aug 16 21:08:29 [2 missed calls] Aug 16 21:08:37 DocScrutinizer, bttz, false back at yeah. Aug 16 21:08:39 illume topbar Aug 16 21:08:46 locked and illume top bar Aug 16 21:08:50 are illume components Aug 16 21:09:02 so what? Aug 16 21:09:03 and therefore illume doesn't consider them as in focus apps Aug 16 21:09:17 but user might Aug 16 21:09:23 nah. Aug 16 21:09:24 :) Aug 16 21:10:08 user should not be Aug 16 21:10:13 resource allocation aware. Aug 16 21:10:18 TAsn: write a decent concept paper how this should work for *all* usecases, and probably someone will happily adopt Aug 16 21:10:36 DocScrutinizer, unfortunately, I think you are right. :) Aug 16 21:11:09 you bet I am Aug 16 21:11:21 hmmm... we don't have /lib/lsb/init-functions :( Aug 16 21:11:21 for this one time ;-P Aug 16 21:11:54 is it just me or is erminig package incomplete? Aug 16 21:12:13 DocScrutinizer, nah, you had a some more successes in the past. Aug 16 21:12:26 well anyway felas, me offterm for a nice movie now Aug 16 21:12:44 DocScrutinizer, which channel? :P Aug 16 21:13:26 mrmoku: err??? Aug 16 21:13:37 DocScrutinizer, the movie :) Aug 16 21:14:05 * mrmoku could need a good movie too :;P Aug 16 21:14:08 cinema (I hope to find a HP starting now) Aug 16 21:14:15 ahh.. ok Aug 16 21:14:20 DocScrutinizer, have fun then :) Aug 16 21:14:30 thanks Aug 16 21:14:43 DocScrutinizer, you haven't watched it yet?! Aug 16 21:14:49 prolly in 1pmin I'm back with a "fsck too late" Aug 16 21:14:59 10min Aug 16 21:15:10 nope Aug 16 21:15:25 you suck, go watch it then :) Aug 16 21:15:29 I'm going to bed Aug 16 21:15:30 ciao :) Aug 16 21:16:07 * mrmoku needs /lib/lsb/init-functions .... Aug 16 21:18:38 hmm... will just adjust the NM initscript then Aug 16 21:23:23 start 23:10, trip to cinema ~20min... :-/ Aug 16 21:23:41 * DocScrutinizer fetches the TV-Spielfilm ;-( Aug 16 21:24:04 + 30mins of comercials and previews :P Aug 16 21:24:19 that's exactly 5 min too short then Aug 16 21:24:30 sucks Aug 16 21:25:59 hmm i think time schedule could be a bit tight - i should start to work tomorrow but i get the contract with the final details today (23:25h here) to say yes/no Aug 16 21:27:08 OMG, tv sucks even more Aug 16 21:29:44 DocScrutinizer: if you want to see two good films go for Che Part One and Two [they usually play late at least here] (Original with Undertitles if you don't understand spanish that well rocked really) Aug 16 21:30:55 sunday they switch off the light here at midnight :-( Aug 16 21:31:25 nottin of any interest out there anymore Aug 16 21:33:07 might give niemiee a try, as well as such extreme-greene-theme my friend installed and showed me 2h ago Aug 16 21:34:00 s/my/one of my/ Aug 16 21:34:01 DocScrutinizer meant: might give niemiee a try, as well as such extreme-greene-theme one of my friend installed and showed me 2h ago Aug 16 21:34:21 to stop rumour Aug 17 01:01:25 hi um.. i might have found a dos / security issue in shr messages Aug 17 01:01:39 who do i report this too? Aug 17 01:01:45 ... Aug 17 01:04:46 .. Aug 17 01:36:23 mm yeah um ... on debian it comes up as no message going to check the dbus / zhone thingy later :) Aug 17 01:49:06 shr build wants python-pysqlite2 - on gentoo and have pysqlite 2.5.5 installed - not the same thing? Aug 17 01:49:21 ... Aug 17 01:49:29 no one is interested... Aug 17 01:50:06 d1b: theyre mostly asleep (euro) at this time - post the brief details here Aug 17 01:50:42 and someone may notice when reading the backlog, and follow up in a few hours when active Aug 17 01:51:46 BillK_: im not putting in ON irc if its a real bug.. Aug 17 01:51:50 this channel is logged etc Aug 17 01:51:59 who do i email... Aug 17 02:31:26 d1b: not full details - something brief so the devs can have a reasonable guess what your talking about - thats why I said brief Aug 17 02:31:54 d1b: try something like buffer overflow, or input checking failure, ... Aug 17 02:32:05 otherwise, have a look at the shr trac **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 17 02:59:56 2009