**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 18 02:59:56 2009 Aug 18 04:57:59 Hi all Aug 18 06:54:32 heh, i've looked inside frameworkd's opimd and understood that it is useless now. it's almost impossible to make it properly understand multiple items per contact Aug 18 09:12:04 wpwrak: ping Aug 18 09:32:30 DocScrutinizer: *yawn* Aug 18 09:32:52 yo, too early or really late Aug 18 09:33:30 wpwrak: do you know any tales about 2-wire coexistence BT/WLAN? Aug 18 09:34:06 wpwrak: anybody ever tested that, scoped the signals, PVed it, whatever? Aug 18 09:34:21 DocScrutinizer: hmm no. i know the wires are there and look properly connected, but that;s about all Aug 18 09:34:37 DocScrutinizer: no idea if anyone actually tested it Aug 18 09:34:53 wpwrak: that's exactly what I know as well, and what I expected Aug 18 09:35:19 wpwrak: BillK_ reports that if he streams audio via BT and then does --power=maxperf, audio starts to stutter continiously. Aug 18 09:35:34 wpwrak: would you expect any bad comming from those 2 wires ("freezes" etc) Aug 18 09:37:05 wpwrak: and is there *any* interface like e.g a register setting to this coex-function in WLAN API that you'd know of? Aug 18 09:37:15 PaulFertser: i guess one could test it by 1) monitoring the signals that are being generated, and 2) injecting signals Aug 18 09:38:06 DocScrutinizer: nope, none that i know of, but that that doesn't say much. you can search wmiconfig, maybe there is something Aug 18 09:38:16 wpwrak: i doubt it's usefull while the driver is still fucked up :( Aug 18 09:40:37 wpwrak: and i can't reproduce a race that in fact made removing the module and unbinding it different (no unregister_dev is called sometimes after unbinding because ar6000_close gets called before HTCTargetRemovedHandler) Aug 18 09:40:53 wpwrak: I have a "nightmare" of a floating 2W-coex wire randomly deadlocking either BT or WLAN Aug 18 09:41:39 DocScrutinizer: that would be fun :) but isn't the protocol simply "i'm sending, go away" ? Aug 18 09:41:54 wpwrak: but can you explain how can it be possible for a company that produces really complex hardware to release such a bad driver? Even a kid can see that it's not designed at all. Calls and conceptions are not balanced, layering is bad and unintuitive, it's racy etc... Aug 18 09:42:03 DocScrutinizer: i.e., signal on the wire doesn't change direction Aug 18 09:42:32 PaulFertser: hey, look at how big MS got with crappy software :) Aug 18 09:42:35 prolly (need to learn about the prot yet). still a wrong level might easily "freeze" a subsystem completely Aug 18 09:43:26 PaulFertser: (race) your enabling of debug stuff pointed towards this, yes. it would also explain why my attempt to fix this didn't Aug 18 09:44:03 PaulFertser: We're a rare species wrt having an idea about both hw and sw Aug 18 09:44:20 DocScrutinizer: yup. but unstable performance could also just mean that no exchange happens, and they happily collide in the air Aug 18 09:44:30 wpwrak: i disabled debug stuff and stuffed a call to some place so the netdev will get released anyway. But now cannot reproduce :) Aug 18 09:44:53 PaulFertser: == solved ? :) Aug 18 09:45:01 wpwrak: MS is not an example. Do you want to say Athoros's hardware is as bad as MS software? I seriously doubt that, hardware doesn't tolerate _that_ level of stupidity. Aug 18 09:45:03 PaulFertser: atheros might easily design brilliant hw, that relies on a sw-driver that needs to meet constrains that are impossible to fulfill Aug 18 09:45:44 PaulFertser: maybe the skills of the hw and the sw group aren't exactly matched ? Aug 18 09:46:04 wpwrak: and what about QA? Aug 18 09:46:05 wpwrak: exactly. but I'm more concerned about the situation BT off + WLAN randomly borks Aug 18 09:46:43 PaulFertser: maybe the hw group has its own test software :) Aug 18 09:47:04 DocScrutinizer: that doesn't seem to need coex to happen Aug 18 09:47:53 wpwrak: but a floating line could be a cause Aug 18 09:50:44 wpwrak: we might want to (nastily) hard-tie those wires to whatever level is needed to disable them, thus effectively shorting the chips' outputs. Then see if anything changes Aug 18 09:50:53 DocScrutinizer: maybe. well, you know how to check those signals :) Aug 18 09:51:15 DocScrutinizer: i (hopefully) fixed your shr-settings problems Aug 18 09:51:33 dos1: heh! :-) Aug 18 09:52:03 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r1bbbcc7dbda1 10/shr-settings: [launcher] WTF was that? All multiple window problems should be fixed now! :) Aug 18 09:52:11 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r28d750237bbb 10/shr-settings: [launcher] fix possible segfaults when closing module window by wm instead of "Quit" button Aug 18 09:52:55 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r1200b0a6ed29 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/images/ (k_tabl.png k_tabr.png): e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: fix tabs in keyboard to look good Aug 18 09:53:05 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rc33e29b26fdc 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/ (illume-niebiee.edc system.edc): e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: add system theme (suspending, shutting down window...) Aug 18 09:53:08 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r4c2f653370bc 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/images/ (bt_basek.png logo_white_128.png shelf_alt_over.png): e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: oops. Add missing images ;x Aug 18 09:53:11 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r0341fd674aad 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/illume-niebiee.edc: e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: make sugestions on keyboard looking better Aug 18 09:53:12 wpwrak: alas my lab equipment is at a historic low atm, for the last 40 years :-(. Bought me some screwdrivers yesterday Aug 18 09:53:16 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rec5fa9cb8cd8 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/illume-niebiee.edc: e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: make keyboard blue! Aug 18 09:53:19 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r5b0216757840 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/illume-niebiee.edc: e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: make keyboard background little lighter Aug 18 09:53:50 commitspam ended :P Aug 18 09:54:07 DocScrutinizer: R7703/4 and TP7711/2 all are your friends :) Aug 18 09:54:33 yo, hardtie is easy, I know Aug 18 09:55:08 yet I'm not in testing the performance/behaviour after doing that Aug 18 09:56:00 wpwrak: i don't even have a digital 'scope at home Aug 18 09:56:28 Only some old 1-beam "portable" soviet device. Aug 18 09:57:48 PaulFertser: i think doc doesn't have even that Aug 18 09:57:57 dos1: make illumer term kbd topbar much smaller? Aug 18 09:58:05 PaulFertser: besides, do you live at home or at the university ? :) Aug 18 09:58:16 DocScrutinizer: i knew you'll say that :P Aug 18 09:58:37 dos1: I knew you'll remember Aug 18 09:59:13 wpwrak: decent equipment only at work, our university mostly has only old stuff. And i live at #cdevel in fact ;) Aug 18 09:59:20 well, it seems it's not possible to cut that topbar only for one type of keyboard Aug 18 09:59:33 DocScrutinizer: so i'll send you edj file without topbar :P Aug 18 09:59:53 dos1: you are the greatest :-)) Aug 18 10:01:49 PaulFertser: ah, there's now a third place in your life, "work", with serious equipment. is it imagined ? :) Aug 18 10:02:05 dos1: however consider how to switch to terminal kbd then, or even better throw out the oseless other both Aug 18 10:02:15 dos1: ;-P Aug 18 10:03:16 wpwrak: imaginary? Aug 18 10:03:17 wpwrak: no, of course not. I've access to Welleman and ERSA soldering/desoldering stations there (no decent hotair-station though) and some Tektronix 'scopes. Aug 18 10:03:32 Velleman Aug 18 10:07:50 PaulFertser: sounds good. so what's your "real work" then ? and how do you make it fit sideways in the day ? :) Aug 18 10:08:50 wpwrak: i part-time work as an ad-hoc embedded programmer/engineer sometimes troubleshooting other guys' problems or doing small stuff for PC to support our equipment. Aug 18 10:09:22 DocScrutinizer: mv Default.kbd Alpha.kbd; mv Terminal.kbd Default.kdb? Aug 18 10:10:34 yo, sounds good. I'll "find / -name Default.kbd" ? Aug 18 10:10:48 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r251de5a1d2b6 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/images/bt_basek.png: e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: make selected word on keyboard list looking better (white border on white background wasn't good idea ;x) Aug 18 10:11:44 PaulFertser: troubleshooting is your thing :) Aug 18 10:12:15 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rdce91cc3ef76 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/ (images/logo_white_128.png images/sleeping_tux.png system.edc): e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: system: sleeping Tux is much more cute than enlightenment logo ;) Aug 18 10:12:31 DocScrutinizer: /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ Aug 18 10:12:50 wpwrak: heh, "those, who can do, do; those who can't teach others" Aug 18 10:18:22 *grin* Aug 18 10:18:52 PaulFertser: hope none of your students is in this #chan ;-P Aug 18 10:22:06 DocScrutinizer: nah, they're too stupid/inexperienced. And i don't wait anything good from the new year (begins at Sep 1) since this will be the first year where a nation-wide rating system was employed and of course the results were faked, the farther from the real education, the more fake results (because there's nobody there to control exams) so it's quite possibly we'll have plenty of clueless students from "villages". Aug 18 10:22:32 dos1: woohoo, the mv alone is making my day :-) I dumbass should have done ages ago Aug 18 10:23:22 PaulFertser: ouch Aug 18 10:26:35 DocScrutinizer: and you imagine how i'm pissed with the students i spent the previous year with: they did nothing during the summer, i haven't seen anyone from them (except one girl i exchanged books with and met for some inline skating). I hoped the talented ones will use several summer weeks to finish our small embedded project but they just disappeared. :( Aug 18 10:29:20 PaulFertser: at least you got the girl, like the hero in the movies ;-) Aug 18 10:30:08 Hi, installed the latest om2009 unstable and opkg update leads to following error: Aug 18 10:30:08 Collected errors: Aug 18 10:30:08 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4/Packages.gz. Aug 18 10:30:08 error detail: HTTP response code said error Aug 18 10:30:44 I think this should be http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/Packages.gz. Aug 18 10:31:00 wpwrak: not even that :-/ and she even skates worse than me (our level is near ~ nonexisting) but she's considerably weaker. Aug 18 10:31:21 Counts when one goes uphill. Aug 18 10:31:43 wpwrak: i like your optimistic POV :) Aug 18 10:32:43 PaulFertser: she faked it to pamper your fragile sense of masculine superiority :) Aug 18 10:32:55 lol Aug 18 10:33:59 though I should use LOL rather, than "freeze! hands up! lol " Aug 18 10:34:51 DocScrutinizer: joining the police force ? :) Aug 18 10:35:20 DocScrutinizer: or trying some new debugging techniques ? :) Aug 18 10:35:23 wpwrak: nah. Uphill cycling/rolling/climbing usually shows the truth. Aug 18 10:36:11 wpwrak: /o\ Aug 18 10:39:19 wpwrak: btw, being superiour in something is not always cool. E.g. i know about software more than my buddies and so i've to solve all the software problems myself without any help whatsoever (except when i communicate with you or upstream but it's rare). I even had to learn windows ACLs myself because nobody could fucking explain that to me. And then to patch smbcacls console utility :( and then our stupid sysadmins moved all the "folders" Aug 18 10:39:25 ... some other server where permissions can't be set and everybody has access to everything. Aug 18 10:40:51 dos1: I'd appreciate the most a patchfile to apply to .edj (.edc?) -- if that doesn't imply a decompile/patch/ranme/handedit-nevrtheless/compile orgy Aug 18 10:41:24 s/ranme/rename/ Aug 18 10:41:24 DocScrutinizer meant: dos1: I'd appreciate the most a patchfile to apply to .edj (.edc?) -- if that doesn't imply a decompile/patch/rename/handedit-nevrtheless/compile orgy Aug 18 10:42:28 PaulFertser: hmm, you used "superior" and "windows" in the same paragraph :) Aug 18 10:43:26 wpwrak: sure, i'm superiour at understanding windows comparing to my buddies. Aug 18 10:44:29 wpwrak: what's wrong in " every ant is superior to windows, when it comes to smartness"? Aug 18 10:45:19 aah, i see the mistake Aug 18 10:45:36 s/ant/amoeba/ Aug 18 10:46:00 PaulFertser: it seems that they're better at hiding their flaws :) Aug 18 10:46:23 Right Aug 18 10:46:24 DocScrutinizer: you forgot "retarded" :) Aug 18 10:46:32 hehe Aug 18 10:47:00 DocScrutinizer: and "after a bihemispherical lobotomy" Aug 18 10:47:04 Or e.g. i had to tell explicitly and supervise our admin to add proper SPF records to our domain zone. Aug 18 10:47:57 And he couldn't even figure out wtf our corprorate mail couldn't reach some destinations.. Aug 18 10:48:05 PaulFertser: a wise man would just have politely smiled and walked away, knowing that fate is not his to change :) Aug 18 10:48:14 Hakisho: I had the same problem, I just deleted that repository. It actually doesnt exist Aug 18 10:48:31 wpwrak: So true. Aug 18 10:48:51 DocScrutinizer: with a blunt, rusty knife Aug 18 10:54:14 man, a small step for mankind but a giant leap for my mood - terminal kbd by default Aug 18 10:56:42 * DocScrutinizer eagerly looking forward to dos1's kill-topbar-mod Aug 18 11:14:47 dos1, hmm... with latest settings I lost the icon again? Aug 18 11:15:07 mrmoku: on upgrade? Aug 18 11:15:20 it isn't fixed... Aug 18 11:15:58 dos1, ahh, ok... after restarting X it is there again Aug 18 11:16:37 dos1, where does one find the sleeping tux? :D Aug 18 11:17:13 mrmoku: :D Aug 18 11:17:15 mrmoku: power -> suspend (or power off) Aug 18 11:17:21 :) Aug 18 11:17:24 DocScrutinizer: i broke keyboard ;D Aug 18 11:17:35 dos1, engine does not get set correctly in settings Aug 18 11:17:44 it shows x11, but I have x11-16 Aug 18 11:17:58 mrmoku: remove your configuration from /etc/profile ;P Aug 18 11:18:05 hmm... nothing is correct there Aug 18 11:18:06 ahh ok Aug 18 11:18:17 dos1: I hope you don't edit on device ;-P Aug 18 11:18:41 DocScrutinizer: i have literki installed and configured to be fallback :P Aug 18 11:18:49 hehe Aug 18 11:18:54 DocScrutinizer: i already broke whole enlightenment few times when i was editing on device ;D Aug 18 11:19:12 kudos for recovering Aug 18 11:21:02 DocScrutinizer: it's harder that i thought :( Aug 18 11:21:17 DocScrutinizer: i'll try later, when i'll hopefully get more used to that edje stuff ;x Aug 18 11:21:30 dos1: otherwise I might possibly succeed in editing it myself ;-) Aug 18 11:22:09 DocScrutinizer: well, i deleted all layers corresponding to that top bar Aug 18 11:22:28 DocScrutinizer: but others are relatively positioned to that, and i don't know how to eat it yet ;x Aug 18 11:22:31 dos1: raster told me "duh, that's simple. just edit the right edj-file" however he didn't share a clue about *how* to edit it Aug 18 11:23:00 dos1: simply make it 2pix size (hight)? Aug 18 11:23:16 alredy tried Aug 18 11:23:21 I'd even not mind 10pix Aug 18 11:23:26 background was resized, but not topbar ;) Aug 18 11:23:33 FSCK! Aug 18 11:23:47 but maybe i missed something Aug 18 11:23:58 as said, i'll try later again Aug 18 11:24:12 dos1: replace the icons? Aug 18 11:24:37 DocScrutinizer: deleted icons Aug 18 11:24:45 nah, nevermind. I'm *absolutely* clueless with that crap Aug 18 11:25:23 i want to learn more that edje stuff (look at paroli lists... i want to be able to do such stuff!) as it's really powerfull Aug 18 11:25:34 should be *so* easy, and in fact is *so* puzzling and obscure Aug 18 11:26:20 mostly due to mssing manpages or any other decent docs. At least I didn't manage to spot any Aug 18 11:26:30 edje? Aug 18 11:26:32 there are Aug 18 11:26:42 quite good, i used few times when doing niebiee Aug 18 11:27:10 well, edje is easy Aug 18 11:27:22 that's default illume theme which isn't easy ;x Aug 18 11:27:34 yeah, maybe that Aug 18 11:27:36 (and niebiee has keyboard based on default theme) Aug 18 11:28:41 i need to learn how to do cool draging stuff, as i have idea for contacts list Aug 18 11:28:50 anyway a pity. Hope you'll figure out eventually Aug 18 11:29:40 I spent a whole day on it, then gave up :-/ Aug 18 11:29:50 mrmoku: how's sleeping tux? ;D Aug 18 11:30:22 dos1: btw ohn still eats my cpu ;-D Aug 18 11:30:27 John Aug 18 11:30:36 hehe ;D Aug 18 11:30:48 guesses: 0 time: 0:14:11:47 (3) c/s: 3849 trying: ncbmij Aug 18 11:31:51 halley:/home/jr/Documents/OpenMoko/images/shr_unstable/900808 # john --show ~/dosshadow Aug 18 11:31:52 0 password hashes cracked, 1 left Aug 18 11:32:59 dos1: ^C ? Aug 18 11:33:10 dos1: I don't dare Aug 18 11:33:25 if you want Aug 18 11:33:37 i think after few days of cracking if it won Aug 18 11:33:42 dos1: nah, how did you get that readout? Aug 18 11:33:58 +'t finish i'll copy status files to my shell server and run jack on it :P Aug 18 11:34:02 DocScrutinizer: ah Aug 18 11:34:08 DocScrutinizer: from man "press any key" Aug 18 11:34:10 ;) Aug 18 11:34:16 aah ok Aug 18 11:34:46 guesses: 0 time: 0:16:55:06 (3) c/s: 2586 trying: ouub Aug 18 11:34:53 john --status should be ok too Aug 18 11:35:32 c/s: 2586 :-( Aug 18 11:35:42 it was disabled for ~4 hours ;x Aug 18 11:37:35 dos1: I still wnder how to establish multi-core / distributed Aug 18 11:38:01 DocScrutinizer: well, using only one core is nice for me here Aug 18 11:38:28 i can crack using first core at full speed, and use second core controlled by cpufreq for other tasks Aug 18 11:41:34 dos1: but we could share cores for one task, instead of running same process in parallel which is basically idiotic ;-P Aug 18 11:43:37 dos1, (sleeping tux) big :) Aug 18 11:43:41 but nice Aug 18 12:04:57 good news Aug 18 12:05:04 it was the PSU Aug 18 12:05:16 new one works fine Aug 18 12:05:25 seemingly nothing else damaged Aug 18 12:06:31 mickeyl: replaced PSU or fixed it? Aug 18 12:06:54 aah, new one. Aug 18 12:07:00 DocScrutinizer: replaced. you told me a non-EE should stay far away from fixing PSUs Aug 18 12:07:09 yep Aug 18 12:32:52 mickeyl: ping Aug 18 12:52:26 DocScrutinizer: (fixing PSU) that small stuff i "fixed" recently works ok ;) Aug 18 12:53:30 PaulFertser: easy enough it was not exactly the PSU circuit itself that borked Aug 18 12:54:58 DocScrutinizer: sure. I think it's not too difficult to fix PSUs if schematics and 'scope are available. And spare parts of course. Aug 18 12:55:15 just strayed via buglog backlog mails to community about A7-statefile to wiki/A7. yayayay Aug 18 12:55:38 PaulFertser: thanks for clearing the odd points there :-) Aug 18 12:56:07 spare parts - that's the difficult part Aug 18 12:56:22 never find a source for those usually Aug 18 12:56:34 and no ds for the broken original part Aug 18 12:57:10 DocScrutinizer: at work we borked one chip used in PC UPS that was used to provide charging current for the battery. Easily obtained a spare (dip instead of soic but not a big deal to clip and bend) Aug 18 12:59:14 not recommended for non EE. also chips are the easiest part. for SMT capacitors / diodes it's much harder. And you never know which part got "lethaly wounded" on primary fault and will die in a few hours Aug 18 13:00:05 DocScrutinizer: it seems that fixing stuff is not recommended in general in modern society. :) Aug 18 13:00:25 DocScrutinizer: but i agree, i lack skills to properly fix PSU or any other advanced electronics. Aug 18 13:00:30 especially crowbar thyristors tend to break and go unnoticed though Aug 18 13:02:12 And i even don't understand PFC :-/ Aug 18 13:02:24 so next time PSU fails (and chances are high it will very soon) you see damage to all the main device due to broken OVP at output, just because thyristors did their job exactly once as they were designed to do Aug 18 13:03:00 PaulFertser: PFC really is nasty Aug 18 13:03:12 DocScrutinizer: but it's more and more common nowadays. Aug 18 13:03:45 yeah, because PSU without PFC plays nasty to mains line Aug 18 13:13:47 mrmoku:hello,i tried to build SHR but e17 jumps out with an error? is it fixed?what shall i do? Aug 18 13:14:47 http://pastebin.org/9956 Aug 18 13:15:23 schasch: hey, building OE is neverending fun it seems :D Aug 18 13:15:32 :-) Aug 18 13:15:50 maybe i am not uptodate... Aug 18 13:16:03 schasch: this looks like some issue with the way you start X Aug 18 13:16:26 schasch: have you tried starting any X app instead of E? Aug 18 13:16:26 PaulFertser:hey Paul... Aug 18 13:16:35 PaulFertser:it used to work like this... Aug 18 13:16:37 once? Aug 18 13:17:25 schasch: E says it can't communicate with the X server. You can try other X apps to confirm/deny the problem. Aug 18 13:17:47 like xter? Aug 18 13:17:51 xterm... Aug 18 13:18:50 schasch: yes Aug 18 13:18:54 schasch: or xclock or whatever Aug 18 13:20:59 mrmoku found lo was missing for him. Supposed to be caused by local edit of networl config though Aug 18 13:23:08 schasch: yes, DocScrutinizer is right, check if you have lo up. Aug 18 13:24:41 lo is there.. Aug 18 13:24:53 before i had the missing ${IMAGE_ROOTFS}/var/lib/dbus/machine-id Aug 18 13:25:01 afeter boot... Aug 18 13:25:05 after boot... Aug 18 13:25:30 i added it manually to my build process Aug 18 13:25:52 #BUG:version 20090818:fake machine because e17 is hanging Aug 18 13:25:52 #mkdir ${IMAGE_ROOTFS}/var/lib/dbus Aug 18 13:25:52 #echo "01234567890123456789012345678901" > ${IMAGE_ROOTFS}/var/lib/dbus/machine-id Aug 18 13:32:18 schasch, I had exactly that error... though as DocScrutinizer said it was due to missing lo Aug 18 13:32:54 mrmoku:DocScrutinizer; lo is present in foconfig Aug 18 13:33:21 schasch, can you start the xserver alone? Aug 18 13:33:21 s/foconfig/ifconfig Aug 18 13:33:32 Xglamo ? Aug 18 13:33:55 PaulFertser: ([community] A7-statefile) the main fault in argumentation logic was AT+CLVL never directly spoils farend audio. It could cause distortion on earpiece at most, and that's not been a single concern of all that thread Aug 18 13:34:27 mrmoku:how? DISPLAY=:0 /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart ? Aug 18 13:34:42 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r29152367368e 10/ (opimd-contacts opimd-notifier): Don't hardcode elementary settings. Aug 18 13:34:43 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r47cbf4ecb2c4 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/ (20 files in 2 dirs): e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: add window borders theme Aug 18 13:34:49 DocScrutinizer: it's very hard to prove obvious things when people don't listen to you and keep talking about random tweaking of random knobs with random results :-/ Aug 18 13:34:59 schasch, no, just call Xglamo Aug 18 13:35:06 PaulFertser: yau Aug 18 13:36:28 mrmoku: Xglamo command not found Aug 18 13:36:48 gta01 Aug 18 13:36:52 mrmoku: gta01 Aug 18 13:36:55 schasch, what xserver do you have then? Or is this your problem... missing Xserever :P Aug 18 13:37:02 schasch: Xfbdev Aug 18 13:37:10 mrmoku: gta01 is fbdev Aug 18 13:38:18 PaulFertser::mrmoku: xserver OK Aug 18 13:38:38 PaulFertser:xserver OK Aug 18 13:40:01 schasch: and start some X app like "DISPLAY=:0 xterm" Aug 18 13:40:33 PaulFertser: thanks...but have to build a new image for that... Aug 18 13:40:34 :-( Aug 18 13:40:41 ...27 min... Aug 18 13:40:49 schasch, the evas-engines are not missing again? Aug 18 13:40:57 mrmoku: have you seen his paste? Aug 18 13:40:57 (think the error was different IIRC) Aug 18 13:41:03 PaulFertser, yes Aug 18 13:41:35 mrmoku: was my first ERROR ::: missing ::: /var/lib/dbus/machine-id Aug 18 13:42:01 mrmoku:i tried to fix this and have now this error... Aug 18 13:42:31 so i think /var/lib/dbus/machine-id this is tha bad-one Aug 18 13:43:07 schasch, can you check /etc/passwd if you have the messagebus user? Aug 18 13:45:20 mrmoku: what do you think about flaunch? Aug 18 13:45:36 mrmoku: (that few buttons on bottom of illume launcher) Aug 18 13:46:05 dos1, no opinion on that Aug 18 13:47:29 dos1, anything enhancing our launcher is welcome I think :P Aug 18 13:47:34 mrmoku: i'm thinking about using it in niebiee Aug 18 13:48:31 dos1, how to try it out? Aug 18 13:48:39 schasch, ? Aug 18 13:49:06 mrmoku: i will... Aug 18 13:49:10 oops. i tried to build freedom instead of freedoom on my image. but freedom is installed by default on the freerunner Aug 18 13:49:51 schasch, if it is missing... try to run opkg-cl configure manually Aug 18 13:49:59 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r3b4ee2a1f30f 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/ (13 files): e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: split illume-niebiee.edc into small edc files Aug 18 13:50:02 mrmoku: well, i'm only whinking about it ATM ;) Aug 18 13:50:05 playya: :-) Aug 18 13:50:08 mrmoku: i'll look if i can do something nice with it Aug 18 13:50:29 mrmoku:Ok...after flashing... :-) Aug 18 13:50:59 dos1, but what is needed to have flaunch? Aug 18 13:52:37 mrmoku: theme ;D Aug 18 13:52:49 dos1, ok Aug 18 13:52:50 mrmoku: and correct categories in three desktop icons Aug 18 13:53:24 mrmoku: but AFAIK on flaunch it's not possible to have icon, only text Aug 18 13:54:11 mrmoku: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/eb70ddbf9aaa2018ae2f8570328bb38c.png - this is flaunch used in fly* Aug 18 13:54:37 (here combined with sortdesk i think) Aug 18 13:55:18 dos1, nice Aug 18 13:56:07 ahh... vacation time :) Aug 18 13:56:15 edje seems to be powerful enough to hide flaunch if there is no app on it, i'll try to do something with that Aug 18 13:56:23 finished to check 10k Spam mails for false positives... now I can go :D Aug 18 13:56:37 (and actually found 4 false positives :( Aug 18 13:56:52 dos1, yeah, play with it please :D Aug 18 13:57:35 dos1, btw. I find the black text on blue background for messages a bit bad to read Aug 18 13:57:49 guess it is an efl not themable problem? Aug 18 14:02:19 dos1, got disconnected? Aug 18 14:02:24 yup Aug 18 14:02:30 15:57 < mrmoku> dos1, btw. I find the black text on blue background for messages a bit bad to read Aug 18 14:02:33 15:57 < mrmoku> guess it is an efl not themable problem? Aug 18 14:03:03 mrmoku: yup. i didn't do libframeworkd-phonegui-efl theme yet Aug 18 14:03:20 dos1, ok, will live with it then :) Aug 18 14:03:52 well, i don't know what to do with that atm Aug 18 14:04:30 as phonegui-efl isn't really themable Aug 18 14:04:39 you can replace files, but then opkg will scream ;x Aug 18 14:04:58 dos1, no, just leave it allone Aug 18 14:05:08 mrmoku: ok Aug 18 14:05:16 if we don't get the new stuff boken fast enough... I will make it themable :P Aug 18 14:05:26 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r89742dde212c 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/ (busywin.edc illume-niebiee.edc): e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: remove busywin stuff Aug 18 14:05:36 mrmoku: personally i use opimd-utils, so i changed locally PIN dialog theme to have white labels :P Aug 18 14:05:44 but nothing more Aug 18 14:06:16 dos1, btw.... you have to bug Ainulindale from now on... for the next 3 weeks ;) Aug 18 14:06:24 PaulFertser: mrmoku: xterm works....so now do "opkg-cl configure" ? Aug 18 14:06:36 mrmoku: with what? Aug 18 14:06:37 schasch, check first if that is the problem Aug 18 14:06:41 dos1, building :P Aug 18 14:06:47 oh :D Aug 18 14:07:05 but... Ainulindale is often unreachable! ;x Aug 18 14:07:19 Ainulindale, could you give me access to buildhost for 3 weeks? :D Aug 18 14:08:01 (don't worry, i won't run jack the ripper on it ;)) Aug 18 14:08:02 dos1, and Ainulindale said he has a bit more time from tomorrow on Aug 18 14:08:14 mrmoku:messagebus:x:97:64004:Linux User,,,:/var/run/dbus:/bin/sh Aug 18 14:08:24 schasch, ok, so that is not the problem Aug 18 14:08:24 mrmoku: hopefully ;) Aug 18 14:08:33 mrmoku: build shr-settings! :D Aug 18 14:08:42 and you can build niebiee themes now Aug 18 14:08:51 dos1, building nm right onw Aug 18 14:08:52 as fighting with flaunch can take some time Aug 18 14:08:56 mrmoku: so after nm Aug 18 14:09:06 just the e-wm or elm too? Aug 18 14:09:11 both Aug 18 14:09:49 did not see any elm commits though :P Aug 18 14:09:58 mrmoku: hoversel background Aug 18 14:10:01 it still isn't in repo ;P Aug 18 14:10:04 ok, i'll back soon (dog :P) Aug 18 14:10:09 no? Aug 18 14:10:10 ok Aug 18 14:26:10 mrmoku,PaulFertser: repaired it by adding DISPLAY=:0 to script.... http://pastebin.org/9966 ?? Aug 18 14:34:38 schasch: strange, xinit should set DISPLAY itself properly i think Aug 18 14:40:07 PaulFertser:yes strange... :-) Aug 18 14:45:43 dos1|away: I'm available these days Aug 18 14:46:04 Worst case scenario mail me at jcassignol at éàç"uàéçusd bearstech )éài"çzef com Aug 18 14:55:48 how can i download a file to a specific directory in openembedded? Aug 18 15:48:58 mrmoku: look at shr-devel Aug 18 16:02:07 mrmoku: patch sent (look at it before, i didn't test it) Aug 18 16:02:55 dos1, EFL bump? Aug 18 16:03:07 mrmoku: no, shr-theme-niebiee Aug 18 16:03:27 dos1, ok... dinner first though Aug 18 16:03:28 mrmoku: and about previous "look at shr-devel" -> some guy says about duplicated libeflvala recipe Aug 18 16:03:39 * mrmoku finished packing the car and needs food now :P Aug 18 16:03:43 dos1, yep, read that Aug 18 16:03:54 bbiab Aug 18 16:17:19 join #inwe Aug 18 16:17:24 oops Aug 18 16:17:48 forgot / Aug 18 16:40:01 dos1, trying your patch now Aug 18 16:46:24 <|_0xEF|> hi Aug 18 16:48:42 <|_0xEF|> Can anyone advise me where can I get the mplayer with alsa support? I have mplayer installed but it does not list alsa when I run "mplayer -ao help". Right now it uses OSS output only. Aug 18 16:49:51 |_0xEF|, which distro? Aug 18 16:49:52 <|_0xEF|> I think there should be .ipk with mplayer+alsa somewhere Aug 18 16:52:44 <|_0xEF|> OM 2008.12 Aug 18 16:53:26 |_0xEF|, I think OM distro is without mp3 support (and should'nt have any mplayer..) Aug 18 16:53:41 you could try if the SHR one fits and installs Aug 18 16:55:55 <|_0xEF|> Here is a link to mplayer package that worked for me http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player bud it does not have alsa :( Aug 18 16:56:26 <|_0xEF|> Is mplayer included into the SHR distribution? Aug 18 16:57:29 yo Aug 18 16:57:54 <|_0xEF|> yoyo Aug 18 17:00:39 even with a seemingly totally useless desktop icon :-0 Aug 18 17:01:49 yepieeh. i have the extrapackages in my mokomaze packages Aug 18 17:02:22 mrmoku, interested? Aug 18 17:02:58 sure Aug 18 17:03:35 http://pastebin.com/f1bc609ab Aug 18 17:03:50 maybe there's a better way to copy the new file Aug 18 17:10:57 <|_0xEF|> mrmoku, thanks, I installed the SHR-mplayer into my OM and it works :) but it works slower than my previous mplayer. But it has alsa now :) Aug 18 17:12:39 <|_0xEF|> mrmoku, The SHR-mplayer does not have the glamo overlay subdriver... strange. Aug 18 17:17:32 mrmoku: what's stae of libaoss.so ? Aug 18 17:19:30 <|_0xEF|> wow i have A2DP bluetooth sound now 8-) Aug 18 17:20:01 <|_0xEF|> I have 2 mplayers: one for bluetooth sound and another one for glamo video overlay )) Aug 18 17:21:00 <|_0xEF|> and the sound quality is awful lol Aug 18 17:21:12 <|_0xEF|> I mean the a2dp sbc sound Aug 18 17:22:52 mrmoku: 20090703 on my NAND *has* libaoss.so Aug 18 17:23:15 and /usr/bin/aoss Aug 18 17:24:20 so I'd call this a regression. Or is that just me to miss something important for my uSD installation? Aug 18 17:24:35 <|_0xEF|> So... anyone managed to ge� good sound quality via bluetooth (a2dp)? Aug 18 17:49:20 Weiss: I somehow managed to give some publicity to your (great) work, hope you don't mind :) http://losca.blogspot.com/2009/08/kernel-mode-setting-kms-on-neo.html + http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzQ2NQ Aug 18 17:50:06 Weiss: there is a (somewhat edited) video which you may be interested in. edited especially since I think that on the recorded boot run the X crashed once before correctly starting, probably again of this matchbox/timing issue :) Aug 18 17:51:46 playya, sure interested :) Aug 18 17:54:02 DocScrutinizer, you can always install it if you need it Aug 18 17:54:14 don't think that has to be as default in our image Aug 18 17:54:33 oh, aha. thanks Aug 18 17:54:45 |_0xEF|, interesting... that in turn means we can still optimize our mplayer package :D Aug 18 17:54:54 any hint on where you got the fast one from? Aug 18 17:55:30 DocScrutinizer, though I think the aoss script might still be broken Aug 18 17:55:35 did not come around to fix that one yet Aug 18 17:57:28 playya, are you sure your recipe works as is? Aug 18 17:57:50 Mirv: hehe, yeah - my site has been getting a bit of traffic today :) Aug 18 17:57:58 looks like the levelpack gets overwritten again... Aug 18 17:58:05 (just judging from looking at the recipe) Aug 18 17:58:10 mrmoku, i use it on my freerunner Aug 18 17:58:31