**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 26 02:59:58 2009 Aug 26 03:55:14 n Aug 26 03:55:17 n Aug 26 03:55:36 http://www.intomobile.com/2009/08/25/palm-pre-due-in-uk-on-friday-october-30th-apparently.html Aug 26 04:49:28 Weiss: wow! it really does work. additionally, suspend started working also in my case, so it actually seems pretty perfect stability-wise (from a quick usage at least). Aug 26 04:56:44 oh, hmm, actually got the white screen on resume again. well, the text rendering anyway was very cool to see working. Aug 26 04:57:45 I wonder if these are again some subtle hw differences that could cause problems at resume, ie. comparing to all the old white screen bugs Aug 26 05:28:32 Weiss: funny how I'm not able to click the fbpanel's menu icon in the bottom left corner of the screen when using kms... Aug 26 05:38:22 DocScrutinizer: i was asleep by that time :( In fact the best wikipage about that is "Manually_using_Bluetooth" (the first to read for any bt-related stuff). Aug 26 05:51:22 the fbpanel part is actually somehow stuck, the battery percentage doesn't update etc. it was probably the same earlier when the drawing was corrupted, I couldn't invoke the menu back then either. Aug 26 05:51:26 weird Aug 26 07:28:50 PaulFertser: think he got the pointers he needed. Moinmoin btw Aug 26 07:29:16 Good morning DocScrutinizer :) Aug 26 07:30:09 wow, doc2 has a lag of ~20sec o.O Aug 26 07:32:08 ~botsnack Aug 26 07:32:39 errrhaa :-/ Aug 26 07:32:45 apt??? Aug 26 07:32:51 bzzbot??? Aug 26 07:34:16 DocScrutinizer: you allright there buddy? Need a glass of water? Aug 26 07:34:29 coffee Aug 26 07:34:43 * sybren draws DocScrutinizer a perfect espresso Aug 26 07:34:56 and bzzbot, or that master of incantations, mwester Aug 26 07:35:23 * DocScrutinizer ponders to get apt Aug 26 07:36:03 Weiss: Mirv: with latest xf86-video-glamo and xorg-server-1.6.3 i can break xserver when running python gtk/pango application ie simplecaching.py.. xorg.log here http://www.pastebin.cz/22244 Aug 26 07:36:55 Weiss: sorry not really latest adc83129b1377fb8224d05a7e0379f885b519c38 Aug 26 07:37:06 DocScrutinizer: apt as replacement for opkg on SHR? Aug 26 07:37:07 Weiss: I'll try to rebuild it with xserver master Aug 26 07:38:01 sybren: sure. even a 20 year old glass of jellyfisch could replace opkg Aug 26 07:39:42 sybren: I was talking about tom rykers infobot in his _apt incarnation to be found in e.g. #openmoko Aug 26 07:40:45 DocScrutinizer: lol @ jellyfish :) but why aren't we using apt then? Aug 26 07:41:33 apt doesb't know ipkgs? Aug 26 07:42:20 apt is very very slow on FR Aug 26 07:46:21 is the slowness apt or debian's huge repos? Aug 26 07:51:16 pabs3: also fr is slow processing the diffs, i disabled that iirc. Aug 26 07:51:50 pabs3: I can't say I find opkg that fast. But then again, I have yet to see apt on a device like the Freerunner Aug 26 07:52:57 PaulFertser: yeah, uncompressing Packages.bz2 is slow too Aug 26 07:54:45 I'd say there can't be much diffs in basic functions and way to operate, tween opkg and apt Aug 26 07:55:37 just apt seems better wrt UI/manageability Aug 26 07:59:44 ok Aug 26 07:59:54 I wouldn't know the difference ;-) Aug 26 08:28:15 hmmm, coffee Aug 26 08:44:45 good morning Aug 26 08:44:54 ho ptitjes Aug 26 08:45:10 hello DocScrutinizer Aug 26 08:45:15 how are you ? Aug 26 08:45:54 not yet awake ;-) Aug 26 08:46:08 sleep-typing Aug 26 09:27:07 is there a chance to get a paroli ipkg eventually? Aug 26 09:27:51 (for/in SHR) Aug 26 09:27:51 DocScrutinizer: i think dos1 added paroli to the shr feed yesterday Aug 26 09:27:59 ooh Aug 26 09:28:27 * DocScrutinizer shouldn't have intentionally left out opkg update Aug 26 09:28:37 But i don't know if the patch is applied :D Aug 26 09:30:57 Heinervdm: which patch? Aug 26 09:31:20 PaulFertser: [Shr-Devel] [PATCH] task-shr-feed: add paroli Aug 26 09:35:57 Heinervdm: it's in feed Aug 26 09:36:17 DocScrutinizer: then give it a try :) Aug 26 09:36:35 I do atm. scaaaaaared Aug 26 09:36:42 :-L Aug 26 09:36:47 :-) Aug 26 09:37:22 takes ages over gprs :-P Aug 26 09:38:50 never tested paroli before. So probably I won't even notice any flaws Aug 26 09:39:58 *yawn* Aug 26 09:40:34 opkg could use a progree bar for downloads ;-P Aug 26 09:40:49 progress Aug 26 09:42:58 JaMa: i suspect that problem will go away with the latest xf86-video-glamo. if you haven't installed the latest X.org yet, i'd be interested to know if it can work stably with 1.6.x Aug 26 09:44:11 ModifyPixmapHeader causes all kind of problems, but it's gone now Aug 26 09:46:10 Weiss: my oe workdir is now partially upgraded to latest xorg.. so I'm not able to build xf86-video-glamo cleanly for 1.6.3 no more without pain of rebuiding all Aug 26 09:46:49 Weiss: now I cannot build it at all :) /tmp/gta/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/xf86-video-glamo-1.0.0+gitr8+d91c2881159e177d1edc6ffe916c93050b7c0ae2-r1/git/configure: line 11678: `XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT(RANDR, randrproto)' Aug 26 09:47:02 but I'll recheck after upgrading all deps Aug 26 09:48:58 ah.. partially upgraded will break horribly .. Aug 26 09:49:24 JaMa: my version of openmoko-dri.conf has a set of version numbers which worked Aug 26 09:49:31 Weiss: btw i have few scripts for xorg bump.. using all oe packages latest from http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/, bumping preferred versions and creating new bbfiles.. Aug 26 09:51:03 Weiss: yes I checked that.. its almost the latest as I use.. exception is ie xextproto where I have 7.1.1 Aug 26 09:53:14 PaulFertser: she got the flowers :-) Aug 26 09:53:18 <= HAPPY Aug 26 09:53:22 Thanks a lot :-) Aug 26 09:53:37 :D Aug 26 09:53:44 Ainulindale: cool, you're lucky Aug 26 09:53:50 Yeah for once :-) Aug 26 10:00:18 JaMa: cunning.. Aug 26 10:13:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rab41e069ee96 10/libfsobasics/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libfsobasics: add StringHandling.enumToString courtesy Playya. Aug 26 10:19:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r49005aa95703 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala: fsousaged: controller: show resume reason as string Aug 26 10:22:30 mickeyl: dunno how kernel is actually handling it. But in theory you might have multiple resume reasons concurrently Aug 26 10:29:18 hi Aug 26 10:29:24 i'm about to push my commits Aug 26 10:29:27 but tell me one thing Aug 26 10:29:33 is "at least one field" correct english? Aug 26 10:30:53 sound about correct Aug 26 10:31:17 dos1: FIX MY PHONELOG! Aug 26 10:31:49 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rbdae69937c29 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimd_generic.py): Aug 26 10:31:49 freesmartphone.org: opimd: add experimental support of "greater than" and "lesser than" queries Aug 26 10:31:49 freesmartphone.org: Field names to use when quering: Aug 26 10:31:49 freesmartphone.org: _lt_Field, _float_lt_Field, _gt_Field, _float_gt_Field - compare after casting to float Aug 26 10:31:52 freesmartphone.org: _int_lt_Field, _int_gt_Field - compare after casting to int Aug 26 10:31:54 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r9ac762f4799a 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: backend manager: send dbus signal after initializing all backends on startup Aug 26 10:31:58 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r99e07ef2f0ee 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (4 files in 2 dirs): opimd: remove entries from cache when disabling backend Aug 26 10:32:01 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r5b7244665aea 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_notes.py): opimd: Calls, Notes: check entry id when deleting to prevent tracebacks Aug 26 10:32:05 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rfdad05603d63 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimd_generic.py): Aug 26 10:32:12 freesmartphone.org: opimd: add new mode in quering: at least one Aug 26 10:32:14 freesmartphone.org: To use it, set _at_least_one field to non-false value. Aug 26 10:32:19 freesmartphone.org: In this mode returned entries match to at least one field in query. Aug 26 10:32:38 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r0aa6549711c6 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'dos/opimd-tracking' Aug 26 10:33:41 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * ree75f19d8d59 10/opimd-messages: opimd-messages: display window on start, not on first displayed message Aug 26 10:33:42 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r3208357a9d49 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: save notes using async calls, add inwins "Adding..."/"Editing..." Aug 26 10:33:42 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r4d28c5c239fd 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: remove 'search in titles' feature; add 'search also in titles' Aug 26 10:33:44 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r5fdc7576614a 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: remove notes using async calls Aug 26 10:33:52 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rf224c40d8e8f 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: query notes using async calls, add inwin "Searching..." Aug 26 10:33:58 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rb71aa2613e6e 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contact: searching finds now also e-mails Aug 26 10:34:01 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r8dbd9c0f31a7 10/ (TODO opimd-notes): opimd-notes: disable bouncing Aug 26 10:34:04 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r047a2f0b1741 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contact: searching finds now also phone numbers Aug 26 10:34:16 DocScrutinizer: what's wrong with your phonelog? Aug 26 10:34:58 here it works ;x Aug 26 10:35:02 it ceased recording/logging any calls. last call logged is 2009-08-12 Aug 26 10:39:03 dos1: here it does NOT work Aug 26 10:39:16 DocScrutinizer: probably it works, but you don't know it ;P Aug 26 10:39:27 hahaha Aug 26 10:39:31 DocScrutinizer: i think there is some sorting issue somewhere Aug 26 10:39:54 so calls are logged, but not displayed in phonelog, which requests only 50 calls to display Aug 26 10:40:17 i think if even a grep on mdbus stdout doesn't yield any results, it's more than a simple sorting issue Aug 26 10:40:38 which command did you use? Aug 26 10:41:02 the one you told me to use Aug 26 10:41:08 so opimd-cli, not mdbus? Aug 26 10:41:19 yeah, probably Aug 26 10:41:21 sorry Aug 26 10:41:33 opimd-cli ca query Aug 26 10:41:35 hmm Aug 26 10:41:40 and what do you grep? Aug 26 10:42:02 number of a call I know came in Aug 26 10:42:26 I know as I can find in logs Aug 26 10:42:37 ah, i remember now Aug 26 10:42:40 you sent me that log Aug 26 10:42:42 hmmm Aug 26 10:43:59 but did you check it after that? Aug 26 10:44:13 I checked 1tmin ago Aug 26 10:44:19 15 Aug 26 10:44:33 only with phonelog though Aug 26 10:45:17 but I assume it would<ät "work" if it still doesn't change anything in phonelog display Aug 26 10:45:53 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r16bc121c3566 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala: Aug 26 10:45:53 freesmartphone.org: fsousaged: controller: fix crash when a resource implementor quits the bus Aug 26 10:45:53 freesmartphone.org: (Note to self: do not modify an interable while iterating over it...) Aug 26 10:45:53 freesmartphone.org: Thanks ptitjes and juergbi. Aug 26 10:50:35 dos1: any suggestions? Aug 26 10:51:00 DocScrutinizer: well, check with opimd-cli Aug 26 10:51:48 heh, great. I'll do that again, but nevermind. just tell me the cmdline Aug 26 10:59:13 DocScrutinizer: hmm, if cmdline is "opimd-cli ca query" then I need to know how to read the timestamp. I have no way to use a unique number for a testcall, to tell apart from old calls Aug 26 11:00:36 wait, I could use outbound call to a nonsense number Aug 26 11:00:44 I guess Aug 26 11:02:54 dos1: "pattern not found" on /795667 in less :-/ Aug 26 11:03:20 can you do: Aug 26 11:03:21 number of results stays at 13 as well Aug 26 11:03:30 opimd-cli ca query _limit 1 Aug 26 11:03:40 easy Aug 26 11:04:48 hmm, nice. what does that tell me? Aug 26 11:05:37 it's not the outbound call I did a minute ago Aug 26 11:06:10 it's also not one of the missing inbound Aug 26 11:08:58 actually it's exactly the first call listed in a query without parameters Aug 26 11:10:31 DocScrutinizer: yup Aug 26 11:10:31 dos1: should I check backend settings? Aug 26 11:10:49 DocScrutinizer: that should be the newest call in database Aug 26 11:10:54 DocScrutinizer: yup, check it Aug 26 11:11:03 SQLite-Calls has to be default and enabled Aug 26 11:12:32 enabling ogsmd-Calls ;-) Aug 26 11:15:12 that did the trick ;-P Aug 26 11:16:01 help, shr-messages segfaults on me: http://pastebin.com/m574b6063 Aug 26 11:16:07 so the question now is: WTF can you disable ogsmd-Calls Aug 26 11:17:01 dos1: do you think it might be possible opimd-messages etc will run on Debian? I'm so tired of using stupid zhone :-/ Aug 26 11:17:43 DocScrutinizer: hmm? what's wrong? i think user should be able to disable it Aug 26 11:17:43 PaulFertser: don't ask what I'm tired about XD Aug 26 11:17:54 PaulFertser: opimd-messages? Aug 26 11:17:56 ;x Aug 26 11:17:58 ~opimd-messages Aug 26 11:18:02 ... Aug 26 11:18:04 stupid bot ;p Aug 26 11:18:19 "opimd-messages is crap and it probably won't change soon" :P Aug 26 11:18:32 dos1: i know. What am i supposed to use then? Aug 26 11:18:39 PaulFertser: from opimd-utils only opimd-cli, opimd-notifier and opimd-notes are ATM fully usable Aug 26 11:18:44 dos1: it's a great option (disable). Simply stops phonelog from operation :-P Aug 26 11:18:47 opimd-contacts are close too Aug 26 11:19:03 DocScrutinizer: you can have other handlers, not only ogsmd. Aug 26 11:19:27 DocScrutinizer: and WTF is clicking everywhere without checking what does it do? :P Aug 26 11:19:34 so settings should make damn sure one of them is actually enabled Aug 26 11:19:41 DocScrutinizer: no Aug 26 11:19:49 DocScrutinizer: i want to be able to completely disable those handlers Aug 26 11:20:10 :-S Aug 26 11:20:14 handlers aren't only way to add calls into database, apps can do that also with dbus method Aug 26 11:20:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7e1c1a3e2eeb 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_idle/plugin.vala: Aug 26 11:20:18 freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kernel_idle: add new configuration option to Display resource specifying whether Aug 26 11:20:18 freesmartphone.org: the holding the display resource will allow for dimming the display after a while. Aug 26 11:20:20 freesmartphone.org: Set "display_resource_allows_dim = 1" in [fsodevice.kernel_idle] to allow dimming. Aug 26 11:20:23 freesmartphone.org: Default behaviour (display always on full brightness when resource is held) remains unchanged. Aug 26 11:20:26 freesmartphone.org: Fixes FSO #370 Aug 26 11:21:56 mickeyl: i don't understand that commit with Display resource Aug 26 11:22:12 mickeyl: why for is that conf option? Aug 26 11:22:32 holding the display resource usually prevents the display from going off, but also from dimming Aug 26 11:22:44 some folks like to allow dimming Aug 26 11:22:49 (but not off, of course) Aug 26 11:22:52 this enables it Aug 26 11:22:53 mickeyl: hmm Aug 26 11:23:00 mickeyl: oohhhh Aug 26 11:23:12 mickeyl: so you mean for instance dimming to 50%? Aug 26 11:23:27 to whatever value is specified in the rules Aug 26 11:23:51 mickeyl: *for instance* :P Aug 26 11:23:59 yep Aug 26 11:24:01 then ok :) Aug 26 11:24:02 this is just tweaking whether IDLE_DIM is sent or not Aug 26 11:24:15 (during display resource = held) Aug 26 11:24:34 just for me and my english dim was equal to "turn off display", as it's done now Aug 26 11:24:48 ah, i see. Aug 26 11:26:06 mickeyl: shouldn't these go as options to resource allocation dbus call? Aug 26 11:26:51 DocScrutinizer: yes, when we have complex configurable resources Aug 26 11:27:02 err, resource requests, of course Aug 26 11:27:07 mickeyl: as I already suggested fso might have to learn to have paramezers with resource calls anyway Aug 26 11:28:50 mickeyl: e.g. GPRS might want to suspend during suspend, or stay connected to create a resume trigger on inbound traffic. Aug 26 11:29:44 well I see we have no gprs resource anyway right now, do we? Aug 26 11:30:07 not right now, gsm is containing that Aug 26 11:30:56 the idea stays unchanged for wifi, bt... etc Aug 26 11:31:44 see my irc-post to you from 1(or 2) days ago Aug 26 11:32:43 yeah, i know. this is all good. i like this, but it's pretty complex and i see more pressuring things Aug 26 11:33:00 audio nightmare is still unsolved e.g. Aug 26 11:33:51 audio nightmare may need exactly this as well. That's why I came up with it Aug 26 11:34:50 yes, but before we solve all the problems of adding a taxonomy for resource properties, implementing a rule engine to deal with conflicting properties, I'd rather like to have the means of implementing fine grained control first Aug 26 11:35:29 unti i can't control audio paths seperatly i don't see much benefit in doing the rest Aug 26 11:35:40 bottom-up... Aug 26 11:36:22 yes, I know... it's up to me still (/me dumbass) Aug 26 11:37:12 just suggesting a way we might need anyway in future Aug 26 11:37:33 so we don't go a deadend path wrt that Aug 26 11:37:57 *nod* Aug 26 11:41:41 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r84899d83f8de 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: bind additional toolbar (item) API as of upstream svn rev 42008 Aug 26 11:43:53 Mirv: WSOD, or still responsive to SSH? Aug 26 11:44:29 trying to use xrandr results in a WSo-not-quite-D Aug 26 11:46:42 it's very possible that there are subtle HW differences that i haven't taken into account. i haven't had to deal with random WSoDs on my FR at all, apart from when i actually sent Glamo the wrong numbers Aug 26 11:49:23 r.e. things not rendering properly - are there any warnings in Xorg.0.log, /tmp/x.log or dmesg? Aug 26 11:53:41 Weiss: are you building xserver-xorg with kdrive enabled? mine is missing keySyms from sdl.c removed with http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/diff/hw/kdrive/src/kdrive.h?id=305ab237f666936cd812c464bf43f86f6079838e Aug 26 11:59:18 JaMa: kdrive should be disabled as much as physically possible.. is it trying to build the xorg-xserver package with kdrive, or is it trying to actually build the kdrive package? either case is bad.. Aug 26 12:07:46 Weiss: with --disable-kdrive in EXTRA_OECONF it still tried to build hw/kdrive/sdl.c, now I added --disable-xephyr --disable-xsdl --disable-xfake --disable-xfbdev and disabling xsdl allowed me to build xserver-xorg-1.6.999+1+af76bddd7a47092e2f0f85b2547c1cc74eb5cebc Aug 26 12:10:14 PaulFertser: hmm, did you try moving that HTCSetInstance back to ar6000_destroy ? completely eliminating it doesn't feel right Aug 26 12:15:16 <|Marco|> I've noticed one difference between the A5 and A6 about wlan messages in dmesg, a "AR6000 connected event on freq 2442 with bssid..." message several times while the A6 only posts one message like this in the same time of boot timeframe, can this be related to the White Screen of Death I keep getting on the A5 ? Aug 26 12:16:00 <|Marco|> both of them run the same distro, Hackable:1 Aug 26 12:23:15 wpwrak: messing with the driver doesn't feel right at all to me :( Aug 26 12:23:29 PaulFertser: ;-)) Aug 26 12:23:34 wpwrak: and lack of testing too. I tested my "solution" myself and it seemed to work... Aug 26 12:24:07 wpwrak: the problem is i can't "prove" it's correct. Neither can you it's incorrect (without spending some of your precious time) ;) Aug 26 12:29:00 Weiss: it was responsive via SSH at least before, and I believe it's so now also. ie. not the same as the WSOD:s of the past in that sense. Aug 26 12:30:11 Weiss: if the r.e. about corrupted drawing was for me, I said I have now everything correctly drawn in those apps I tried. the problem is that fbpanel somehow gets "stuck", ie. I cannot open the menu button (which is now drawn correctly though) Aug 26 12:32:12 if I kill the app it draws itself correctly once but then again something causes it to stall Aug 26 12:33:38 Weiss: and where is stored graphics memory when powered off/on? Weird thing happend when I had that simplecaching application (big green arrow on screen) when rebooting from shr-unstable to my shr-autoreved. There was kernel panic when powering off, so I removed battery, booted to my shr-autoreved and the same image with that arrow flashed for a sec on neo display :) Aug 26 12:34:27 SHR: 03soltys 07shr-settings * r5df31cb61f87 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_phoneutils.py: [phoneutils] add valitation of entry data Aug 26 12:36:28 wpwrak: at least i _proved_ that your previous patch is incorrect ;) Aug 26 13:08:45 Hi, I've been out somedays, can someone tell me which shr image should I take? unstable or testing? Aug 26 13:10:00 unstable I guess Aug 26 13:10:05 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r8b6a519a4964 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_generic.py query_manager.py): Aug 26 13:10:05 freesmartphone.org: opimd: implement sorting Aug 26 13:10:05 freesmartphone.org: _sortby field in query specifies field name to use when sorting. Aug 26 13:10:05 freesmartphone.org: To reverse results, use non-false value of _sortdesc Aug 26 13:11:20 Sharwin_F: fo' sure unstable Aug 26 13:11:42 ook, thanks :D Aug 26 13:11:45 PaulFertser: hi. Read your mail about wifi. Can you explain a little bit more your reference to atheros and Harald ? Aug 26 13:11:56 rtp: sure Aug 26 13:16:24 rtp: forwarded you his mail intended for the ML but obviously not making it because our stupid MLs are still subscribe only :( Aug 26 13:20:25 Hi all Aug 26 13:20:45 PaulFertser: read it. Let's hope he'll manage to get a some good news for us Aug 26 13:20:59 hi ST1 Aug 26 13:21:02 i'm trying to integrate the development of the fso cornucopia version... but i would need some help to get it on... Aug 26 13:21:15 hi sybren ;) Aug 26 13:21:18 hi dos1 ;) Aug 26 13:22:02 ST1: I know nothing of fso or cornucopia (except that it sounds corny) but fire away and we'll see how far we can get. Aug 26 13:22:22 thx sybren :) Aug 26 13:22:32 so it is what i did : git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/cornucopia.git Aug 26 13:22:41 PaulFertser: about mainline, if one goes to rewrite, might better make it a mac80211 driver (iirc ar6k is using mac80211 atm) :) Aug 26 13:22:52 to retrieve last sources ... is it correct ? Aug 26 13:23:21 rtp: it can't be the other way actually, mainline doesn't accept drivers not based on mac80211. The other problem is that the firmware is too high-level. Aug 26 13:23:26 ST1: looks fine by me. That alone doesn't tell you much though ;-) Aug 26 13:24:14 PaulFertser: "too highlevel" ? Aug 26 13:24:24 how can i test it on my openmoko then ? :) Aug 26 13:24:34 must i have installed openembedded ? Aug 26 13:25:47 rtp: yes, i think to properly support mac80211 it should provide more info about actual packets etc. Aug 26 13:27:53 PaulFertser: hmm... would be weird. mac80211 should work with full and soft mac drivers and if I got it right, we're more fullmac than softmac, right ? Aug 26 13:28:01 no one knows ? PaulFertser maybe ? Aug 26 13:28:24 rtp: ok, i thought mac80211 is softmac-only. Proves i know nothing about wifi ;) Aug 26 13:28:37 rtp: and anyway nobody's going invest time in that unless the firmware get fixed. Aug 26 13:29:14 sybren: are you a user or developper ? Aug 26 13:30:30 ST1: yes, that's the cornucopia repo. Look through the log to see what's going on on which branch. Aug 26 13:30:39 PaulFertser: we'll according to mac80211 Kconfig entry, it's "Generic IEEE 802.11 Networking Stack". That's why I think it should handle both :) Aug 26 13:30:50 s/we'll/well/ Aug 26 13:31:12 PaulFertser: it's so easy to trigger firmware bugs ? Aug 26 13:32:07 rtp: i don't know how easy that is if you don't try to. But it was reported by real users in RL experience and Werner did quite some work to reproduce that. I think he was able to reproduce most/all of the reported nastiness. Aug 26 13:33:59 I don't argue about bugs in firmware. it's there are some but I'm wondering if they're easy enough to trigger to prevent working on rewriting things :) Aug 26 13:34:03 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r6ae1f6140711 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/query_manager.py: opimd: place entries without field which is used for sorting always on end Aug 26 13:35:02 rtp: for me they are, i don't want to spend enourmous time to get a semi-working hardware anyway. Also monitor and AP are not supported... Aug 26 13:36:12 rtp: btw, one of the bugs is damn easy to trigger, for that i just need to visit my "sister" and try to use her AP. It just doesn't associate. At all. Aug 26 13:36:22 I agree that not having AP and monitor mode (and packet injection iirc) is annoying Aug 26 13:37:10 rtp: there're less and less WEP APs here and i rarely feel a need to crack them so packet injection is not nearly as imporant to me. Aug 26 13:37:20 wow. you can't connect at all ? Aug 26 13:41:05 rtp: Yes. As can't connect mickey|lunch to his (http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//1250) Aug 26 13:44:50 :( Aug 26 13:58:07 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rc29058b34f02 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/query_manager.py: opimd: now *really* place entries without field which is used for sorting always on end ;) Aug 26 13:58:27 hmm Aug 26 13:58:34 * bumbl had an interesting idea Aug 26 13:58:48 does anyone know the status of java on the freerunner Aug 26 13:59:24 (e.g. does openjdk run on the freerunner?) Aug 26 13:59:49 bumbl: there is cacao and jamvm in shr-unstable afaik Aug 26 14:00:07 and they should work Aug 26 14:00:19 soltys: do they support jboss? Aug 26 14:00:57 what's jboss? Aug 26 14:01:04 * farhaven remembers hearing that name... Aug 26 14:01:09 farhaven: a java application server Aug 26 14:01:29 what does it do? Aug 26 14:01:38 bumbl: I dont know Aug 26 14:01:39 i'm not that familiar with java Aug 26 14:02:03 my interesting idea = running a jboss based pacs (picture archiving and communication system) on the neo, having an on the go pacs server Aug 26 14:03:54 but given javas performance on regular hardware, i'd say that might end up as a slideshow on the go Aug 26 14:04:21 farhaven: well jboss is an app server = it provides an api to the hardware it runs on, an api for special services, app managment,... Aug 26 14:04:30 farhaven: that would not be the point Aug 26 14:04:32 ;) Aug 26 14:04:42 hehe Aug 26 14:04:46 i would just like to be able to run midlets on neo Aug 26 14:04:51 ;P Aug 26 14:05:04 dos1: me to ;) Aug 26 14:05:36 bumbl: javas on anything else than say x86 and ppc is just a bad joke imho. There's no assembly code for other arches so it tends to be buggy and very slow Aug 26 14:05:56 rtp: arm afaik has on some chips their own jvm booster Aug 26 14:06:22 hmm, being able to run java in hardware might be cool Aug 26 14:06:26 rtp: but anyway speed would not be the point ;) Aug 26 14:06:53 bumbl: if you want to play with jazelle stuff, you can try it but afaik a lot of people tried to use this extension and gave up Aug 26 14:06:53 btw. not on the neo chip for sure Aug 26 14:09:59 rtp: never tried it, i am not that into it Aug 26 14:10:38 just have to work with pacs and it would be nice to have one on the go ;) Aug 26 14:14:19 bumbl: ok. good luck then :) Aug 26 14:21:16 [shr-u] Hello All I built shr-unstable this morning and just flashed it into my FreeRunner. It doesn't seem to want to start the xserver. I can ssh into it but can't see any obvious error message. I didn't run "make image" but instead ran ". setup-env; bitbake shr-image" if that makes a difference. It built fine though? Aug 26 14:22:05 JaMa: it just stays in Glamo memory - seems to stay intact during suspend and sometimes short periods of power off Aug 26 14:24:06 Arigead_: well shr-unstable is fucked up most of the time Aug 26 14:24:39 bumbl: wtf? for few weeks everything is ok Aug 26 14:24:44 bumbl: I'd thought that was the one that most people used Aug 26 14:25:00 Arigead_: check if you have parallel build enabled. it can cause some problems like this Aug 26 14:25:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r57899d91854c 10/po/Makefile.in.in: typechange: po/Makefile.in.in Aug 26 14:25:25 JaMa: i.e. there's no system RAM backing store at the moment. there might be in the future when other applications come along and put more pressure on the memory system Aug 26 14:25:57 dos1: build process not image Aug 26 14:26:05 image works like a charm Aug 26 14:26:07 Mirv: interesting about things getting "stuck". not quite sure what could be causing that.. Aug 26 14:26:18 but only because it isn't rebuilt everyday Aug 26 14:27:22 dos1: I've never uncommented the PARALLEL_MAKE or BB_NUMBER_THREADS from local.conf so I assume the default is none paraller? Aug 26 14:28:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r23f99551b481 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: Aug 26 14:28:07 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: add number type 161 as reported by shishz Aug 26 14:28:07 freesmartphone.org: Closes FSO #469 Aug 26 14:31:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r1d058fd865cf 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/gprs.py: ogsmd: add provider 'Telfort' to gprs. Thanks pander, closes FSO #394 Aug 26 14:34:03 mickey|lunch: what's that provider database? Aug 26 14:34:08 mickey|lunch: how it can be used? Aug 26 14:36:14 the plan is to enhance the networks.tab file Aug 26 14:36:22 adding all known providers there Aug 26 14:36:38 plus an API so that UI can present nice lists Aug 26 14:37:05 shoragan is hopefully going to do that next month Aug 26 14:37:17 mickey|sofa: you missed comment in #394 Aug 26 14:37:21 "KPN" network Aug 26 14:38:09 and i think the same data has "Plus" network in poland Aug 26 14:38:13 how to check that? Aug 26 14:38:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9aa355daab1a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/gprs.py: ogsmd: add KPN, thanks dos1 Aug 26 14:38:48 ideally we'd find some way to import NM's database Aug 26 14:38:52 into our networks.tab Aug 26 14:39:05 at the end of the day, you can only try to find out whether it works or not :) Aug 26 14:45:40 mickey|sofa: well, ActivateContext('internet', 'internet', 'internet') works :P Aug 26 14:45:52 mickey|sofa: and that login and pass isn't checked Aug 26 14:47:08 heh, ok Aug 26 14:47:19 I wonder about the bogus DNS settings though Aug 26 14:47:25 0.0.0.0 can't ever be true Aug 26 14:47:44 afair in logs there is also 0.0.0.0 here Aug 26 14:48:52 POLL: http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq - What distro you run on your Openmoko phone Aug 26 14:50:25 rhkfin: maybe multi selection would be better Aug 26 14:51:29 rhkfin: I know there is "run most of the time" but if someone is using fallback distro at least half of the time :) Aug 26 15:40:36 Weiss: have you seen this? dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so: undefined symbol: noPanoramiXExtension; (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so; I get this unless I enable-xinerama in bb file, the same for 1.6.3 and today's master Aug 26 15:47:35 DocScrutinizer: ping Aug 26 15:48:20 JaMa: hmm..i have a vague memory of seeing that, but not for a while.. Aug 26 15:50:21 Ainulindale: ping Aug 26 15:50:25 pong Aug 26 15:50:38 Ainulindale: i have too issues Aug 26 15:50:55 Ainulindale: a) could you give me commit access to pyphonelog git repo? Aug 26 15:50:59 JaMa: see https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/packages/Xorg/xorg/xserver/xorg-server/patches/020-fix-dri-build-without-xinerama.patch Aug 26 15:51:08 dos1: not right now Aug 26 15:51:18 Ainulindale: b) i'll send you soltys's ssh key, could you add him access to shr-settings git repo? Aug 26 15:51:23 oh ;x Aug 26 15:51:31 please mail me about that I'll do that later tonight Aug 26 15:51:35 Right now I have urgent things to do Aug 26 15:52:39 dos1: my internal gps antenna was defect, got a replacement from doc and its fine now Aug 26 15:53:47 Ainulindale: ok Aug 26 15:53:49 TAsn: ping Aug 26 15:53:54 dos1: thanks Aug 26 15:59:21 dos1, 1/2 pong Aug 26 16:00:50 Hey folks. I'm trying to compile libexosip (as dependency for linphone, using "bitbake linphone") but I get: CROSS COMPILE Badness: /usr/include in INCLUDEPATH: /usr/include Aug 26 16:00:56 dos1, as time goes by, my 1/2 pong is slowly becoming a 1/4 pong :) Aug 26 16:01:45 TAsn: ok, so quickly: Aug 26 16:01:59 TAsn: as opimd supports sorting now, i have patch for pyphonelog :P Aug 26 16:02:23 dos1, you also have commit access :) Aug 26 16:02:28 (don't you?) Aug 26 16:02:42 TAsn: well, looks like i don't have Aug 26 16:02:45 sec, will check again' Aug 26 16:03:15 TAsn: no, i don't have Aug 26 16:03:22 i have access to libphone-utils Aug 26 16:03:45 oh Aug 26 16:03:51 so send me the patch please :) Aug 26 16:04:00 tom atatatatatt stosb.com Aug 26 16:04:26 hi Aug 26 16:04:38 could somebody help a little in compilation? Aug 26 16:04:50 http://pastebin.ca/1289005 Aug 26 16:04:58 how can I compile the above example code? Aug 26 16:05:21 gcc box_demo.c box `pkg-config XXXXXX --cflags --libs` Aug 26 16:05:28 khiraly1: btw, you know paroli was tested on SHR by DocScrutinizer and he said it started without segfaults? Time to switch? ;) Aug 26 16:05:46 khiraly1: it least it'd be nice if you checked if everything's ok with that. Aug 26 16:05:48 larsc: thanks, I'l try Aug 26 16:05:57 PaulFertser: I will test shr;) Just Im burried into edje stuff Aug 26 16:06:35