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Aug 27 07:56:45 <PaulFertser> rtp: your patches finally sent to the kernel ML, thanks a lot, i'll push them to the repo really soon, just want to give others a chance to feedback. Sorry it took me so long :(
Aug 27 08:03:36 <larsc> PaulFertser: the sender of the emails is a bit strange. your mail address his name.
Aug 27 08:07:36 <mickeyl> morning folks
Aug 27 08:08:41 <soltys> morning mickeyl 
Aug 27 08:08:47 <PaulFertser> larsc: already saw that. Since i'm going to push it myself, it won't have any effect. That's my local sendmail mangling e-mails so all the mails sent through my account have my public e-mail (rather than local). So yes, unexpected side-effect.
Aug 27 08:08:53 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: morning :)
Aug 27 08:11:26 <rtp> PaulFertser: no problem. I've them on my gta0X kernels so I don't care how long it takes to get them in :)
Aug 27 08:11:27 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: hey, care to share you thoughts about not-nearly-cheap semi-open devices that are already available (palm pre, htc dream) and are comping soon (n900, r_project)? Do you think those can make any real good to the free software community? I don't think i'm going to afford one of those -- FR now seems to be a really good deal, just lacks 3G but has usb host.
Aug 27 08:16:06 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: for sure. my thoughts are ambivalent here. The bad things first: Right now there's still nothing next to the FR when it comes to openness and this doesn't look as it's going to change soon. The danger I see with semi-open devices is that some folks will think "oh, this is open enough for me" and will stop helping us to support really free platforms. The good things I see is that the Palm Pre, HTC Dream, and N900 (no idea a
Aug 27 08:16:06 <mickeyl> bout r_project yet) have the best chances to be opened (as opposed to all the WinCE devices) full, so that we can run free software on them. For FSO this is mission critical. I'm afraid if we do not manage to fully support a 2nd hardware platform within the next 12 months, we will lose all the tiny bits of momentum we have.
Aug 27 08:17:48 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: what are the problems with telephone left on Dream? Yes, it lacks alsa drivers but as i see it everything can be made to work some ad-hoc way already, can't it?
Aug 27 08:17:52 <rhkfin> FSO support on other HW, yes, sound's important
Aug 27 08:17:53 <rtp> mickeyl: don't dream too much about rx51 openness. nokia tends to have a bunch of proprietary stuff (eg battery management) in their devices :(
Aug 27 08:20:02 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: yes, the dream looks relatively good. binary camera and audio (and some more I'm afraid) will remain showstoppers for full freedom, but at least they might make a reference platform with 85% of support. As soon as someone can play a ringtone on a Dream, I'll buy one to bump FSO support for it.
Aug 27 08:20:52 <mickeyl> rtp: i know, however I have been reported that this has been changed thanks to some more TI openness. 
Aug 27 08:21:09 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: :-O i've seen the drivers, there's no problem in playing ringtones, are there? It even has hardware-accelerated mp3 playback (why?). Or do i think about something else?
Aug 27 08:21:35 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: no, its just that I'm not convinced until it happened
Aug 27 08:21:49 <mickeyl> i bought the HTC Touch Pro on false prospectives
Aug 27 08:21:51 <mickeyl> i have learned
Aug 27 08:22:02 <rtp> mickeyl: until I've seen the source code, I would consider that wrong. There are often differences between what people are telling and reality
Aug 27 08:22:08 <mickeyl> rtp: for sure
Aug 27 08:22:48 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: there's a simple userspace program to play/record wavs, Gnutoo showed me it and it looks like it should just work, judging by the kernel source.
Aug 27 08:23:01 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: ok, can someone make a video for me?
Aug 27 08:23:16 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: I guess yes, sadly i don't have one myself...
Aug 27 08:23:24 <mickeyl> lets pester gnutoo
Aug 27 08:24:35 <PaulFertser> rtp: was it you who told me the current reported on gta01 is wrong polarity?
Aug 27 08:25:10 <rtp> PaulFertser: yeah
Aug 27 08:25:55 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: RX-51 here as soon as available (maybe even sooner ;-> )
Aug 27 08:26:20 <mickeyl> ok, good
Aug 27 08:26:22 <mickeyl> keep us posted
Aug 27 08:26:29 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Aug 27 08:27:05 <DocScrutinizer> and it's maemo, so should be a good point to start anyway
Aug 27 08:27:38 <mickeyl> yes and no
Aug 27 08:27:56 <mickeyl> if you're into enhancing the system without removing what's already on, one might be satisfied
Aug 27 08:28:07 <mickeyl> if you're into replacing the system, you might encounter lots of showstoppers
Aug 27 08:28:19 <mickeyl> at least the n800 is still unusable with a foss system
Aug 27 08:28:20 * PaulFertser wonders if it uses ofono for the telephony part
Aug 27 08:28:27 <DocScrutinizer> audio is asic
Aug 27 08:28:31 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
Aug 27 08:28:48 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: that's the interesting point, yeah. if they do, they have AT, which would be good
Aug 27 08:29:44 <mickeyl> form-factor wise i prefer the palm pre though
Aug 27 08:29:55 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: btw, from a user POV the kind of API Marcel designed for bluez4 is quite ok. Maps 1-1 to UI elements so either you use a trivial gui or dbus-send or whatever to easily accomplish any task. At least for bluez it looks quite reasonable.
Aug 27 08:30:25 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: yes, the bluez4 API is not bad. 
Aug 27 08:30:27 <rtp> DocScrutinizer: on n8XX, it's a dsp (the one coming with the omap) afaik. Should be the same on rx51 I guess
Aug 27 08:31:06 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: the ofono API is probably not bad either, it's probably similar to ophoned
Aug 27 08:31:21 <mickeyl> still i believe that some apps want the control you have w/ ogsmd
Aug 27 08:31:27 <mickeyl> which is not possible with ofono
Aug 27 08:31:33 <mickeyl> that's the grief i have with it
Aug 27 08:31:54 <mickeyl> (apart from the 'fsck your previous work, we want be in control')...
Aug 27 08:32:40 <DocScrutinizer> ofono is done by people who say silly things about fso. that's why I'm averse
Aug 27 08:32:45 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: yes, full ack. One of the problems is that ophoned is not ready/tested yet.
Aug 27 08:33:04 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: yeah. it's on my list to do that once i start with a GUI client.
Aug 27 08:33:05 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: exactly
Aug 27 08:34:31 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: another "good" thing about ofono is that they're going to provide a working and fast (read compiled) stack and do not have to wait for gnome/vala guys... But surely they're wrong ;)
Aug 27 08:34:38 <DocScrutinizer> otoh I have to confess I might be one of the "open enough" group
Aug 27 08:35:00 <PaulFertser> Ok, judging by their git repo they're actively working on some "ISI" modem.
Aug 27 08:35:33 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: yes, that might be an advantage. but i fear not, i believe that my fsogsmd will be much better in supporting different kinds of modems.
Aug 27 08:35:45 <mickeyl> it sucks having to wait for vala
Aug 27 08:35:59 <mickeyl> then again, w/ vala we have much more maintainable code in the long run
Aug 27 08:36:08 <mickeyl> so i'm not too worried
Aug 27 08:36:15 <PaulFertser> Exactly the reason i say they're wrong ;)
Aug 27 08:36:24 <mickeyl> :)
Aug 27 08:37:41 <DocScrutinizer> btw I strongly doubt there's any ophono in N900
Aug 27 08:37:44 <mickeyl> It's not that I insist on doing the work... If it was to run great on the hardware i care about with an API I can live with, Ill be happy to use it
Aug 27 08:38:03 <mickeyl> DocScrutinizer: really? IIRC that's what they have started the project for
Aug 27 08:39:03 <DocScrutinizer> well, N900 is late, so ophono might find it's way into it
Aug 27 08:39:22 <DocScrutinizer> and maybe even causing the delay
Aug 27 08:39:54 <PaulFertser> btw, ofono seems to care about the kernel "phonet" interface.
Aug 27 08:42:49 * DocScrutinizer ponders OT about uSD with epaper surface sou you may get an idea what's on thet plastic chip
Aug 27 08:44:38 <PaulFertser> Ok, this link seem to explain wtf "phonet" and "ISI" is... http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/30026/
Aug 27 08:48:50 <PaulFertser> And btw the discussion there shows how much nokia cares about "openness" and "freedom" :S
Aug 27 08:50:41 <PaulFertser> They're asked about simple things like give specs for sending SMSes etc over their "phonet" interface.
Aug 27 08:50:45 <roh> morning
Aug 27 08:50:54 <PaulFertser> roh: morning :D
Aug 27 08:50:55 <mickeyl> hey roh
Aug 27 08:51:01 <roh> i got some requests about wiki permissions. anybody using the wiki?
Aug 27 08:51:02 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: wah, that doesn't look good indeed
Aug 27 08:51:44 <DocScrutinizer> eeeek, roh. THIS time? o.O :-P
Aug 27 08:51:57 <PaulFertser> roh: i do
Aug 27 08:52:15 <roh> or phrased differently: does anybody care enough to speak/stand up? /me wants to hand out some permissions and not think about it too much ;)
Aug 27 08:52:25 <roh> PaulFertser ha. gotcha.
Aug 27 08:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> roh: I might take the burden
Aug 27 08:54:00 <roh> basically its just about the sidebar if i got that right
Aug 27 08:56:10 * DocScrutinizer wonders if he has root on the wiki-box
Aug 27 08:56:15 <PaulFertser> roh: i'd prefer to get some Trac powers instead ;)
Aug 27 08:56:30 <roh> PaulFertser which one you'd like?
Aug 27 08:57:18 <PaulFertser> roh: ability to change/close tickets at docs.openmoko.org
Aug 27 08:57:34 <roh> ah.. mompls.. your username is?
Aug 27 08:57:43 <PaulFertser> roh: PaulFertser
Aug 27 08:57:54 <DocScrutinizer> roh: paul has a level 3 security approval. You may give him all the perms he asks for ;-)
Aug 27 08:58:10 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: thanks :D
Aug 27 08:59:08 <PaulFertser> roh: though once i get trac and wiki permissions i think i'll need to start to care about using https-only for authorisation and to use some decent password... Is it important or not? Probably i'm a bit too paranoid security-wise.
Aug 27 08:59:16 <roh> PaulFertser you are in community_devels now for trac
Aug 27 08:59:27 <roh> means you can basically edit all fields and close stuff
Aug 27 08:59:52 <roh> PaulFertser same paranoia as for svn.. trac and svn share the same pw
Aug 27 09:00:10 <roh> since svn and trac enforce ssl atleast for the login you should be safe.
Aug 27 09:00:29 <PaulFertser> roh: i don't use svn access, only OM git with my ssh key.
Aug 27 09:00:32 <roh> wiki has its own pw-database and is not synced, so.. well.. i do not care much
Aug 27 09:01:03 <PaulFertser> roh: ok, thanks for caring.
Aug 27 09:01:05 <roh> now to the wiki.. need to find out where to click first
Aug 27 09:02:38 * roh despises mediawiki
Aug 27 09:06:21 <roh> ah.. have it.
Aug 27 09:06:33 <roh> Doc whats your username in the wiki?
Aug 27 09:06:45 <roh> PaulFertser youre PaulFertser there, right?
Aug 27 09:06:54 <PaulFertser> roh: right
Aug 27 09:07:00 <PaulFertser> roh: i'm PaulFertser everywhere ;)
Aug 27 09:07:42 <DocScrutinizer> roh: jOERG?
Aug 27 09:09:10 <roh> ha.
Aug 27 09:09:12 <roh> gotit
Aug 27 09:09:13 <roh> https://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&username=&group=sysop&limit=100
Aug 27 09:09:16 <roh> have fun ;)
Aug 27 09:10:43 <roh> will add https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Marko_Kn%C3%B6bl too (he asked)
Aug 27 09:12:06 <DocScrutinizer> we will watch ;-)
Aug 27 09:12:21 <DocScrutinizer> und undo, just in case
Aug 27 09:15:26 <roh> ;)
Aug 27 09:15:50 <roh> i mailed him he should coordinate with you 2 and the rest of the 'active community' and that you can be found here
Aug 27 09:16:36 <DocScrutinizer> fine
Aug 27 09:17:02 <roh> i wonder if it wouldnt be a good idea to make another meeting sometime early next year
Aug 27 09:17:11 <roh> or in any case on the congress
Aug 27 09:17:13 <rhkfin> Did everyone already answer this poll: http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq
Aug 27 09:17:29 <DocScrutinizer> aah, a jingle from next room tells me you probably included me to CC :-)
Aug 27 09:17:37 <roh> nah
Aug 27 09:18:35 <DocScrutinizer> meeting in 26C3 sounds good
Aug 27 09:20:49 <rhkfin> Hey about SHR: is it so that all the apps that are on the rootfs image are not installed but can be installed off-line: "HR (Stable Hybrid Release) is here to provide you with Root FileSystem images that you can easily install onto your Freerunner to use as a daily phone. It's filled with prepackaged software that can be installed upon demand by users" (manual)
Aug 27 09:21:55 <DocScrutinizer> that sounds a little fuzzy
Aug 27 09:22:16 <rhkfin> I agree..
Aug 27 09:22:25 <rhkfin> I suppose it means the repos..?
Aug 27 09:23:15 <DocScrutinizer> prolly meaning is:" ...even rootfs comes with a lot of preinstalled. You can get a multitude of that from repo..."
Aug 27 09:23:34 <roh> Doc btw: just flashed new fw onto my dso and it seems to work
Aug 27 09:23:46 <DocScrutinizer> heh :-)
Aug 27 09:23:48 <roh> improved nios fw for now
Aug 27 09:24:02 <roh> http://welecw2000a.sourceforge.net/
Aug 27 09:24:14 <roh> 1.2-OS-91 or so
Aug 27 09:24:42 <DocScrutinizer> I don't suppose it's from 1991? XD
Aug 27 09:24:53 <roh> nah... 17 days old build
Aug 27 09:25:22 <rhkfin> roh: you work at QI too?
Aug 27 09:25:23 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak might be interested in this as well
Aug 27 09:25:27 <roh> nope
Aug 27 09:25:40 <roh> Doc already notified him ;)
Aug 27 09:25:59 <rhkfin> roh: ok :)
Aug 27 09:27:12 <roh> rhkfin did mostly firefighting and sysad stuff, and now i only try to keep it afloat in the time i can spare ;)
Aug 27 09:28:05 <rhkfin> roh: ok. What do you do with your dso?
Aug 27 09:28:33 <roh> usual small-lab hacking. 'see what happens on the wire'
Aug 27 09:29:07 <roh> got a W2024A for ~550E some time ago.. thus was worth the money
Aug 27 09:29:14 <DocScrutinizer> roh: there was a bitter complaint of a guy who "wasn't able to post to support-ml". I guess he used wrong address to register and another to post. Could you check the pending-for-approvals?
Aug 27 09:29:30 <roh> eeeh.. can check
Aug 27 09:29:49 <DocScrutinizer> thanks
Aug 27 09:30:16 <roh> heh.. gismo and tony are listadmins... if i should change that to sean? *ducks*
Aug 27 09:30:30 <rhkfin> roh: ok, nice :)
Aug 27 09:30:38 <DocScrutinizer> aaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAHH
Aug 27 09:31:27 <naeg> does SHR use already e17? here on the arch linux port it's much faster and not segfaulting yet, made options etc
Aug 27 09:32:06 <roh> Doc no pending mails, just a misguided unsubscribe-attempt x-)
Aug 27 09:33:58 <DocScrutinizer> roh: hmm, so no idea
Aug 27 09:34:07 <roh> nope
Aug 27 09:34:11 <naeg> ok, forget that about segfault, top shelf size...
Aug 27 09:34:37 <DocScrutinizer> roh: btw doc isn't in my buzzword-list. doc: is though, and of course DocScrutinizer 
Aug 27 09:34:38 <roh> Doc to be fair: customer support is seans problem now ;)
Aug 27 09:34:57 <DocScrutinizer> roh: ack
Aug 27 09:38:08 <wpwrak> roh: we should ask for a percentage of the on-going sales :)
Aug 27 09:38:15 <DocScrutinizer> (customer support) for sure it's neither Tony nor Gismo that have to care ;-D
Aug 27 09:38:38 <DocScrutinizer> maybe Sean is a good choice
Aug 27 09:40:31 * roh sighs.. and continues to build lead-acid battery cables
Aug 27 09:40:47 <DocScrutinizer> wtf?
Aug 27 09:41:27 <DocScrutinizer> aah, elektrorad
Aug 27 09:41:30 <roh> Doc more electic bikes for the roads
Aug 27 09:41:38 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Aug 27 09:43:16 <DocScrutinizer> lead-acid is so fsckng heavy. (well LiPo is fckng expensive ;-D )
Aug 27 09:44:29 <rhkfin> Poll #2 - what boot loader you use: http://www.doodle.com/svvsubwnyn4zaxd3 (please spread)
Aug 27 09:45:14 <DocScrutinizer> grub2 ? XD
Aug 27 09:46:29 <Rakhun> grub2 supports OpenMoko? :P I thought grub only supported x86 (but maybe that was only version 1.x)
Aug 27 09:47:19 <DocScrutinizer> ooh Openmoko. nah, wait a minute.... 
Aug 27 09:48:05 <wpwrak> lilo ! ;-)
Aug 27 09:48:07 <rhkfin> DocScrutinizer: heh :)
Aug 27 09:48:16 <rhkfin> wpwrak: does it run on openmoko?
Aug 27 09:48:20 <rhkfin> If yes, I'll add it
Aug 27 09:48:25 <dos1> ;D
Aug 27 09:48:38 <dos1> maybe NTLDR? ;)
Aug 27 09:49:03 <dos1> the best and most flexible bootloader ever :D
Aug 27 09:49:23 <rhkfin> No, really, are there any other that run on FR?
Aug 27 09:49:25 <wpwrak> rhkfin: naw, i still haven't gotten around to adding an x86 emulator for all that assembler code :)
Aug 27 09:49:28 <Rakhun> dos1: FreeLDR or whatever it might be called might be possible, from the ReactOS project
Aug 27 09:49:35 <DocScrutinizer> actually lilo should be portable (nevertheless what we call bootloader on Neo actually is a bios)
Aug 27 09:49:40 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r9a6629ade817 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/query_manager.py: 
Aug 27 09:49:42 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: opimd: add possibility to sort case sensitive
Aug 27 09:49:44 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: To use that, query with _sortcasesens set to non-false value. Default is False.
Aug 27 09:49:46 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rc88a629a3044 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimd_generic.py): opimd: little optimalizantion in merging and getting field value from entry
Aug 27 09:49:49 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rb53278cf2ef1 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: disable merging by default
Aug 27 09:49:52 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r40ad7a5c5203 10/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: conf: enable merging in opimd Contacts domain
Aug 27 09:49:53 <wpwrak> rhkfin: this should actually be an inclusive-or choice :)
Aug 27 09:49:55 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r48c6d9e32005 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/query_manager.py: opimd: fix sorting non-string values
Aug 27 09:50:07 <rhkfin> wpwrak: ?
Aug 27 09:50:11 <Wonka> GRUB2 anyone? ;)
Aug 27 09:50:33 <Rakhun> rhkfin: NOR boot and NAND boot I suppose :)
Aug 27 09:50:34 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r7c4d6af8e123 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: don't query for blank e-mail
Aug 27 09:50:35 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * rf0787d23127f 10/ (TODO opimd-messages): opimd-messages: use opimd sorting
Aug 27 09:50:35 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r29a5e2d0d315 10/opimd-notes: opimd-notes: sort by timestamp
Aug 27 09:50:40 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: the data structures and /sbin/lilo are. the internals of the actual boot loader very much aren't
Aug 27 09:51:08 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * rbcede494222d 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_pim.py: [PIM] display if backend is initialized or not
Aug 27 09:51:08 <wpwrak> rhkfin: some people have more than one Neo and use more than one boot loader :)
Aug 27 09:51:09 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-settings * r92c0bccc5a5c 10/shr_settings_modules/shr_phoneutils.py: Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-settings
Aug 27 09:51:19 <rhkfin> wpwrak: ah, right..
Aug 27 09:51:30 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * rfd61a50e505a 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/ (5 files in 5 dirs): frameworkd-config-shr: catch up with current opimd
Aug 27 09:51:31 <rhkfin> Then they can add more than one line..
Aug 27 09:52:02 <Rakhun> nice to see how fast that poll is getting votes :)
Aug 27 09:53:19 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak might know how little I care about that BL war
Aug 27 09:53:30 <wpwrak> :)
Aug 27 09:54:18 * Rakhun didn't realize there was a "war" going on..
Aug 27 09:54:52 <rhkfin> Rakhun: I think we'll point it out here that there's no war. I personally am surprised if uboot gets 1/4 of the votes..
Aug 27 09:55:07 <rhkfin> he, 8:4 atm :)
Aug 27 09:55:16 <wpwrak> Rakhun: there's been at least one war ever since Orwell wrote the manual (1984) :)
Aug 27 09:57:21 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: you're probably right. And that's perfect example of the uselessnes of polls, if nobody evaluates the systemic error
Aug 27 09:58:46 <rhkfin> systemic error in this case being..?
Aug 27 09:59:24 <Ainulindale> For those using the SHR trac
Aug 27 09:59:32 <Ainulindale> beware I asked for a captcha installed on registration
Aug 27 09:59:40 <Ainulindale> It may be buggy for the hours to come
Aug 27 10:00:57 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: ...being all the uBoot users that do not care about their bootloader as they don't care about polls
Aug 27 10:01:25 <rhkfin> DocScrutinizer: hmm... true :)
Aug 27 10:01:44 <wpwrak> "a poll among those who care" ;-)
Aug 27 10:02:05 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: there's >10k devices out there and all came with uBoot
Aug 27 10:02:21 <rhkfin> So maybe the poll points out, not the user share between uboot and qi but yes, people who follow what's happening in the community and I'd think that of the way where peopl, who don't follow, could also possibly go.
Aug 27 10:02:26 <rhkfin> DocScrutinizer: you're right :
Aug 27 10:06:07 <PaulFertser> roh: i found a site where a russian guy fully reversed the schematics and wrote his own FPGA software for Welec W2000A, screenshot's here http://fotkidepo.ru/?id=photo:217292 , this all is done without any cpu core.
Aug 27 10:07:34 <DocScrutinizer> OMG
Aug 27 10:07:51 <DocScrutinizer> those russians :-D
Aug 27 10:09:29 <roh> PaulFertser yeah.. slog2
Aug 27 10:09:41 <roh> PaulFertser but i think he doesnt have a 4channel scope
Aug 27 10:10:23 <PaulFertser> roh: this one http://fotkidepo.ru/?id=photo:194444 doesn't look like it, yes.
Aug 27 10:16:05 <DocScrutinizer> fotkidepo is a nice name :)
Aug 27 10:22:28 <Mortak> hi 
Aug 27 10:23:08 <Heinervdm> dos1: I'm having some problems with opimd querys because it's not clear what to do, in wich order... I think it would be nice to have a python wrapper class for opimd, where i just have to call sth like that: pim = opimd( domain); result = pim.query(); pim.add( data );
Aug 27 10:23:57 <dos1> well, maybe yes, but i won't maintain such wrapper
Aug 27 10:24:11 <Heinervdm> i will start one
Aug 27 10:24:20 <Heinervdm> but i need your help :)
Aug 27 10:25:04 <dos1> Query returns query path, then for GetResultCount: GetResult on that path (GetMultipleResults(GetResultCount)) and it's done :P
Aug 27 10:25:56 <Heinervdm> but just query does not work
Aug 27 10:26:22 <Heinervdm> there has to be done something before
Aug 27 10:26:32 <Heinervdm> IinitAll
Aug 27 10:27:20 <Heinervdm> I tried this: http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr-dist/opimd-dates/opimd-dates
Aug 27 10:27:23 <dos1> InitAllEntries?
Aug 27 10:27:25 <dos1> no!
Aug 27 10:27:33 <Heinervdm> hmm
Aug 27 10:28:07 <dos1> InitAllEntries was needed ages ago, i fixed it soon after i started working on opimd
Aug 27 10:28:15 <Heinervdm> ok
Aug 27 10:28:41 <rhkfin> What's the SHR installation 'quick launch' selection? do I select here apps shown on the 'desktop' ?
Aug 27 10:28:54 <dos1> Heinervdm: btw. what do you think about adding your opimd-dates into opimd-utils and giving you commit access?
Aug 27 10:29:04 <rhkfin> (ie. do i need to manually select ~all?
Aug 27 10:29:16 <dos1> rhkfin: just ignore it. it's e standard wizard, which doesn't fit to SHR well
Aug 27 10:29:27 <dos1> it's going to be removed
Aug 27 10:29:29 <rhkfin> dos1: ok, so it makes no difference?
Aug 27 10:29:31 <dos1> (or replaced)
Aug 27 10:29:40 <dos1> rhkfin: yup. don't select anything and click next
Aug 27 10:29:54 <rhkfin> ok
Aug 27 10:30:11 <Heinervdm> dos1: that would be ok, my dates will be a test application just as yours opimd-* apps
Aug 27 10:31:56 <Heinervdm> dos1: http://shr.pastebin.com/m5467269b this are the steps i do, but results is still empty
Aug 27 10:32:23 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: aiui that is to select which apps show up un illume-launcher menu
Aug 27 10:32:39 <Heinervdm> dos1: ups i think i see the error :D
Aug 27 10:32:45 <rhkfin> ok
Aug 27 10:32:45 <dos1> begin vs. Begin?
Aug 27 10:32:49 <Heinervdm> yes
Aug 27 10:32:53 <dos1> ;)
Aug 27 10:33:08 <DocScrutinizer> Beggin' for trouble? ;-)
Aug 27 10:34:04 <Heinervdm> dos1: did you remove my custom matcher from dates domain? or should i do it?
Aug 27 10:34:30 <dos1> hmm. i think i didn't
Aug 27 10:34:47 <Heinervdm> will you do? just delete it ;)
Aug 27 10:34:51 <dos1> so you'll use _gt and _lt?
Aug 27 10:34:55 <Heinervdm> yes
Aug 27 10:34:56 <dos1> ok, i'll delete it ;)
Aug 27 10:37:29 <dos1> Heinervdm: but it should still require Begin and End fields on adding?
Aug 27 10:37:51 <Heinervdm> dos1: yes, a date without begin and end is useless, i think
Aug 27 10:38:08 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r73dc394605b3 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_dates.py: opimd: Dates: remove custom matcher
Aug 27 10:40:21 <rhkfin> SHR post-installation script yes/no?
Aug 27 10:40:43 <dos1> rhkfin: hmm?
Aug 27 10:41:13 <rhkfin> never mind
Aug 27 10:41:19 <rhkfin> I can read it myself :)
Aug 27 10:41:34 <DocScrutinizer> yes/no/maybe can you repeat the question?
Aug 27 10:41:49 <rhkfin> Should I run the SHR post-installation script at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_post-installation
Aug 27 10:42:04 <rhkfin> (as recommended in the SHR manual)
Aug 27 10:42:51 <DocScrutinizer> never heard of
Aug 27 10:43:18 <dos1> neither me
Aug 27 10:43:26 <DocScrutinizer> even "SHR-manual" !? wow o.O
Aug 27 10:43:47 <rhkfin> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual
Aug 27 10:44:01 <dos1> cellhunter?
Aug 27 10:44:04 <dos1> ...
Aug 27 10:44:14 <dos1> use openBmap ;P
Aug 27 10:44:17 <rhkfin> no, not cellhunter :)
Aug 27 10:44:20 <rhkfin> yes I will :)
Aug 27 10:44:26 <rhkfin> (being in ~top5 there :)
Aug 27 10:44:35 <dos1> Navit is already newest in SHR repo
Aug 27 10:44:40 <dos1> ffalarms is in image
Aug 27 10:44:58 <rhkfin> obexpush?
Aug 27 10:45:04 <dos1> dates/tasks - will be replaced by opimd apps soon and in shr image by default
Aug 27 10:45:17 <dos1> obexpush - hmm... i'll look at it and maybe include in image
Aug 27 10:45:19 <rhkfin> and I won't need them anyway..
Aug 27 10:45:24 <rhkfin> dos1: ok, great
Aug 27 10:45:35 <dos1> mokomaze.... why isn't it in fat image by default? o_O
Aug 27 10:45:53 <dos1> cellhunter - no comment :P
Aug 27 10:46:00 <rhkfin> dos1: is there a fat image around? I only find lite..
Aug 27 10:46:08 <dos1> rhkfin: newest fat image was broken
Aug 27 10:46:12 <dos1> rhkfin: so i removed it
Aug 27 10:46:15 <rhkfin> dos1: ah, ok
Aug 27 10:46:22 <dos1> rhkfin: on next regeneration it should be there back
Aug 27 10:47:06 <dos1> that script is useless
Aug 27 10:47:10 <rhkfin> I agree..
Aug 27 10:47:29 <dos1> SHR is open distro, so instead of doing such scripts they should improve default image ;x
Aug 27 10:47:55 <dos1> Heinervdm: you should talk with morphis
Aug 27 10:48:11 <dos1> Heinervdm: he said he is looking forward to making elementary calendar widget
Aug 27 10:48:30 <dos1> Heinervdm: and that he wants to work on opimd dates domain
Aug 27 10:48:34 <dos1> Heinervdm: maybe you should work together? ;)
Aug 27 10:48:46 <Heinervdm> dos1: ah that would be nice :) mine is a eval hack
Aug 27 10:49:16 <Heinervdm> dos1: that would be good :)
Aug 27 10:51:29 <dos1> Heinervdm: could you send to me your ssh key? i'll send it to Ainulindale along with other key which i forgot to send to him yesterday ;)
Aug 27 10:54:04 <Heinervdm> dos1: how do you convert the timestamp from the queryresult to float? (Send the key by mail)
Aug 27 10:54:20 <dos1> float(value)
Aug 27 10:54:24 <Heinervdm> ok
Aug 27 10:58:56 <rhkfin> People using swap on uSD with SHR?
Aug 27 10:59:02 <rhkfin> are people.. 
Aug 27 10:59:42 <Rakhun> rhkfin: I am
Aug 27 10:59:56 <rhkfin> ok
Aug 27 11:00:01 <rhkfin> 100% so far :)
Aug 27 11:00:31 * dos1 too
Aug 27 11:00:34 <soltys> rhkfin: i'm not
Aug 27 11:00:45 <rhkfin> 2:1
Aug 27 11:00:48 <Rakhun> 128mb isn't quite enough :)
Aug 27 11:01:08 <rhkfin> Depends
Aug 27 11:01:48 <Rakhun> *nods* as always
Aug 27 11:06:04 <dos1> Heinervdm: newest frameworkd in repo. enjoy ;)
Aug 27 11:06:16 <Heinervdm> dos1: :)
Aug 27 11:06:40 <rhkfin> dos1: so navit can be installed from unstable repos, no need to add navit repo?
Aug 27 11:06:48 <dos1> rhkfin: yup
Aug 27 11:09:07 <DocScrutinizer> FLOAT??? WTF??
Aug 27 11:09:20 <rhkfin> dos1: nice
Aug 27 11:09:31 <rhkfin> dos1: how often it's updated from navit svn?
Aug 27 11:10:18 <Heinervdm> dos1: _lt_ = <= or < ?
Aug 27 11:10:33 <DocScrutinizer> less than is <
Aug 27 11:10:46 <dos1> Heinervdm: <
Aug 27 11:10:50 <DocScrutinizer> le is less or equal is =<
Aug 27 11:10:51 <Heinervdm> DocScrutinizer: python uses float for timestamp
Aug 27 11:11:07 <Heinervdm> do we have _le_ ?
Aug 27 11:11:29 <dos1> Heinervdm: no, i'll add it
Aug 27 11:11:31 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, so probably python has a dependency to whatever floatlib anyway
Aug 27 11:11:54 <Heinervdm> dos1: ok
Aug 27 11:12:17 <dos1> _let_ and _get_?
Aug 27 11:12:32 <Heinervdm> dos1: you decide :)
Aug 27 11:12:45 <Heinervdm> but let and get sounds strange ;)
Aug 27 11:12:47 <DocScrutinizer> _le_ is !_gt_
Aug 27 11:14:39 <DocScrutinizer> _ge_ is !_lt_
Aug 27 11:15:02 <dos1> ok, le and ge ;)
Aug 27 11:15:57 <DocScrutinizer> and 1+1 is 2 (base >2) usually. Get a book!
Aug 27 11:16:38 <soltys> dos1: will my neo explode after upgrade ?:>
Aug 27 11:16:49 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: hmm?
Aug 27 11:17:03 <dos1> soltys: exploding isn't implemented yet, we're working on it ;)
Aug 27 11:18:33 <DocScrutinizer> nah, it's implemented but buggy, and not yet documented
Aug 27 11:19:33 <soltys> ;)
Aug 27 11:20:35 <DocScrutinizer> another 20h "lunch"? ;-P
Aug 27 11:20:57 <mickey|lunch> lets see :D
Aug 27 11:21:01 <Meomer> roman feasts more like :)
Aug 27 11:21:54 * DocScrutinizer suggests sort of cronjob to mickey|lunch 
Aug 27 11:36:21 <farhaven> hmm
Aug 27 11:36:35 <farhaven> i updated shr-unstable yesterday and it doesn't suspend anymore
Aug 27 11:36:49 <farhaven> i can see the IdleNotifier state "suspend" flying over dbus, but that's it
Aug 27 11:36:53 <farhaven> apm -s works
Aug 27 11:37:02 <farhaven> and idea?
Aug 27 11:37:37 <Heinervdm> farhaven: when did you update exactly?
Aug 27 11:38:01 <farhaven> uhm, must've been around 2:00 AM MEST
Aug 27 11:38:07 <farhaven> today morning that is
Aug 27 11:38:15 <farhaven> i.e. 11 hours ago
Aug 27 11:38:40 <Heinervdm> hmm, i did upgrade 24h earlier
Aug 27 11:38:51 <Heinervdm> and that worked
Aug 27 11:38:57 <farhaven> hmm
Aug 27 11:39:07 <farhaven> well, ~380 packages got upgraded
Aug 27 11:39:11 <farhaven> quite a lot i'd say :D
Aug 27 11:39:19 <farhaven> and that for only one git revision...
Aug 27 11:39:29 <Heinervdm> kernel ;)
Aug 27 11:39:42 <farhaven> heh, unlikely, apm -s still works :)
Aug 27 11:39:53 <farhaven> and iirc the kernel doesn't listen to dbus :P
Aug 27 11:41:58 <thessy> farhaven: i upgraded a few hours ago shr-u. suspend works without problem
Aug 27 11:42:18 <farhaven> hmm, i'll run opkg update
Aug 27 11:42:22 <farhaven> maybe something changed
Aug 27 11:43:24 <farhaven> yeah, 7 packages to upgrade
Aug 27 11:43:26 <farhaven> lets see...
Aug 27 11:51:01 <rhkfin> Is the navit libgps16/17 bug fixed?
Aug 27 11:51:15 <rhkfin> or is this still needed:
Aug 27 11:51:15 <rhkfin> opkg install libgps17
Aug 27 11:51:16 <rhkfin> ln -s /usr/lib/libgps.so.17 /usr/lib/libgps.so.16
Aug 27 11:53:23 <dos1> rhkfin: in navit from shr you don't need to do that
Aug 27 11:53:35 <rhkfin> dos1: ok, great
Aug 27 11:54:59 <dos1> raster is working on illume2 ;x
Aug 27 11:55:50 <farhaven> hopefully with a working landscape keyboard :D
Aug 27 11:56:02 <dos1> farhaven: it's already working
Aug 27 11:56:32 <dos1> just restart it. well, that's probably just bug in our revision, as it worked previously just well
Aug 27 12:05:25 <Heinervdm> why does elementary.finger_size_get() not work in python?
Aug 27 12:05:51 <dos1> try elementary.c_elementary.finger_size_get()
Aug 27 12:06:32 <Heinervdm> ok, that works
Aug 27 12:08:11 <farhaven> dos1: nope, not working...
Aug 27 12:08:48 <dos1> farhaven: it works ;P
Aug 27 12:08:58 <dos1> farhaven: just restart keyboard after switching to landscape
Aug 27 12:09:15 <farhaven> ah that :D
Aug 27 12:09:18 <dos1> killall -HUP enlightenment
Aug 27 12:09:20 <dos1> for instance :P
Aug 27 12:09:42 <farhaven> but that sucks :P
Aug 27 12:11:36 <farhaven> hmm, and suspending still fails
Aug 27 12:12:39 <farhaven> hehe, this is great
Aug 27 12:12:47 <farhaven> shr-settings shows auto-suspend as off
Aug 27 12:12:57 <farhaven> and if i drag it to "on", it flips back to "off"
Aug 27 12:14:00 <Heinervdm> dos1: adding dates is working :D
Aug 27 12:14:46 <farhaven> ah, some unplugging and replugging did the trick
Aug 27 12:16:48 <dos1> Heinervdm: hmm... you already have access to shr-settings git repo, yup?
Aug 27 12:17:00 <Heinervdm> dos1: no
Aug 27 12:17:14 <dos1> ah, ok
Aug 27 12:17:20 <Heinervdm> i don't think ;)
Aug 27 12:17:29 <dos1> hmm... so who has then? :D
Aug 27 12:18:07 <dos1> Ainulindale: mail sent
Aug 27 12:20:19 <rhkfin> Wrote a SHR first experiences / manual analysis mail to -community
Aug 27 12:39:37 <rhkfin> Can't start contacts in SHR unstable (upgraded 2 hours ago), it crahshes.
Aug 27 12:39:57 <rhkfin> Failed to handle dbus error: Resource Device is not enabled, current status is 'disabled', 72 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32
Aug 27 12:40:00 <rhkfin> Muistialueen ylitys
Aug 27 12:40:02 <rhkfin> 0> memory overflow
Aug 27 12:40:15 <rhkfin> (damn, maybe I shouldn't have installed the finnish locales :)
Aug 27 12:40:37 <rhkfin> ** (process:8538): DEBUG: ogsmd_sim_retrieve_phonebook_callback()
Aug 27 12:40:48 <rhkfin> that was the last line before the crash message
Aug 27 12:41:22 <rhkfin> btw do I need to have anything running when waiting for calls..? Is there some daemon woing it for me? Using the default SHR unstable tools
Aug 27 12:41:35 <dos1> rhkfin: ophonekitd
Aug 27 12:42:38 <rhkfin> yes, it's running
Aug 27 12:42:56 <dos1> frameworkd?
Aug 27 12:44:24 <rhkfin> frameworkd running too
Aug 27 12:45:01 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, quite nice this shr-manual
Aug 27 12:45:44 <rhkfin> it has a lot of great stuff but need some cleaning, restructuring and updateing
Aug 27 12:45:53 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Aug 27 12:46:33 <DocScrutinizer> started on that last hour or so ;)
Aug 27 12:46:59 <rhkfin> great! Did you see my review on the community ml
Aug 27 12:47:20 <DocScrutinizer> nope, community-ML abandoned here
Aug 27 12:47:23 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Aug 27 12:47:29 <DocScrutinizer> too much noise
Aug 27 12:48:12 <DocScrutinizer> who did that amazing piece of work?
Aug 27 12:49:16 <rhkfin> the name is on the introduction
Aug 27 12:49:29 <DocScrutinizer> aah
Aug 27 12:49:41 <rhkfin> DocScrutinizer: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-August/053963.html
Aug 27 12:51:34 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * r4413216be81b 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): libframeworkd-phonegui-efl: place Call button on left in contacts
Aug 27 12:52:45 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: 
Aug 27 12:52:46 <DocScrutinizer> Replaced gsmhandset with
Aug 27 12:52:48 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/gsmhandset.state
Aug 27 12:52:49 <DocScrutinizer> WTF??
Aug 27 12:54:26 <rhkfin> DocScrutinizer: it's the a7 one with a little changes
Aug 27 12:54:33 <rhkfin> ftw :)
Aug 27 12:54:51 <rhkfin> -> each unit is unique..
Aug 27 12:55:15 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: so would you mind explaining this by referring to the original file and adding a diff, **please**!
Aug 27 12:56:18 <DocScrutinizer> all doom in audio came from random undocumented edits and replacements or even patches applied to wrong source
Aug 27 12:56:34 <rhkfin> DocScrutinizer: hmm.. not really interested :) But I guess I have to do it..
Aug 27 13:00:25 <rhkfin> done
Aug 27 13:10:28 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: thanks
Aug 27 13:35:38 <DocScrutinizer> cheereo
Aug 27 13:35:45 * DocScrutinizer ->brunch
Aug 27 13:40:35 <DocScrutinizer> dos1|away: settings-phone(0808) doesn't (occasionally?) close on "quit" but flawlessly closes on illume-[X]
Aug 27 13:41:22 <DocScrutinizer> dos1|away: still the "quit" button gets shaded on clicking and unshades on release
Aug 27 13:42:38 <DocScrutinizer> dos1|away: happened after keeping "Phone" screen open for long time. CND :-/
Aug 27 14:12:26 <rhkfin> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/27/sharp_linux_arm_netbook/
Aug 27 14:13:28 <rhkfin> khiraly1: Hi there! Installed SHR already :)
Aug 27 14:13:48 <khiraly1> rhkfin: no need to lead a campaign against om2009;)
Aug 27 14:14:47 <rhkfin> :)
Aug 27 14:15:00 <khiraly1> im referring to this one: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-August/053968.html
Aug 27 14:15:09 <khiraly1> Sorry to tell you but this is because there have been no changes in OM2009 -> nothing that could break anything. 
Aug 27 14:15:13 <khiraly1> ^^ that is not true at all
Aug 27 14:15:37 <Sharwin_F> can someone help me to download the correct shr-unstable image? it's a bit confusing since the newest entry by date is a directory labeled "old" from 22th Aug...
Aug 27 14:15:45 <rhkfin> khiraly1: ok, correct me there..
Aug 27 14:15:53 <khiraly1> nytowl made some significant development in *experimental* branch. And as he didnt cosider his work as stable as the testing branch, thats why there were no t6 rolling out
Aug 27 14:16:46 <rhkfin> yes
Aug 27 14:16:51 <khiraly1> however I like to see killing om2009 only in one case: if nytowl would lead the shr stable branch. 
Aug 27 14:16:59 <khiraly1> otherwise we would simply lost him
Aug 27 14:17:27 <khiraly1> just like in andy case
Aug 27 14:18:35 <rhkfin> right
Aug 27 14:37:10 <khiraly1> "if nytowl would lead the shr stable branch" <-- there are some *technical* issue with it
Aug 27 14:37:42 <khiraly1> as most of the shr developement happens here on irc, nytowl cant easily participate as he lives in Canada and most of the shr developers are europe based
Aug 27 14:37:52 <khiraly1> so there is some timing issues;)
Aug 27 14:39:48 <thessy> Sharwin_F: there are some problems building actual images
Aug 27 14:40:05 <thessy> the broken ones moved imo to 'old'
Aug 27 14:40:33 <Sharwin_F> thessy, so the newest one is actually from 8th August, sin't it?
Aug 27 14:40:48 <thessy> jap, but only lite images
Aug 27 14:41:06 <Sharwin_F> so I think I'll opkg upgrade then, thanks ;)
Aug 27 14:42:17 <thessy> yea, thats recommendable ;-)
Aug 27 14:42:48 <Sharwin_F> ok thanks
Aug 27 14:43:23 <Sharwin_F> and what abouyt the screen locker I've seen in scap.linuxtogo? is it from SHR? I've been out last days :)
Aug 27 14:48:13 <thessy> ? don't know
Aug 27 14:51:04 <DocMobilizer> dos1|away: shr-settings-connectivity: select disconnect on expired gprs -> settings silently dies (no SIGFOO). restart settings shows "disconnected". clicking connect does "connecting..."->"disconnected". Second click on connect does succed
Aug 27 14:57:17 <Sharwin_F> this one: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/45979092b3bf93f9b3087ea3f494e340.png
Aug 27 15:04:35 <wpwrak> lindi-: "I then removed the battery ... I recovered kernel log buffer from memory". tough guy ;-)
Aug 27 15:13:57 <lindi-> wpwrak: it's easy with ramconsole
Aug 27 15:15:10 <wpwrak> lindi-: beats voltmeter and a really thin wire :)
Aug 27 15:15:58 <lindi-> wpwrak: sure. any idea on how I could have debugged this more?
Aug 27 15:18:40 <naeg> is there any option for X to disable cursor? for Xdefaults or something
Aug 27 15:18:43 <wpwrak> lindi-: maybe check PWREN to see if it returned to suspend.
Aug 27 15:19:08 <wpwrak> lindi-: other than that, if it's easy t reproduce, add printks and watch the serial console
Aug 27 15:19:27 <wpwrak> lindi-: ah ... "occurs very rarely!". not so easy then :(
Aug 27 15:19:50 <lindi-> wpwrak: yes this setup has been rock solid, this was the first crash in months
Aug 27 15:21:37 <wpwrak> lindi-: phew ... that will be hard to debug then. if/when it happens the next time, i would definitely check PWREN.
Aug 27 15:24:08 <Heinervdm> shr #604 #605 #606 #596 are fixed
Aug 27 15:27:35 <DocMobilizer> wpwrak: lindi-: there's nice small smd-leds with presoldered wires. a couple of them could greatly pimp a devel's debug device ;-)
Aug 27 15:28:13 <Heinervdm> and #565 too
Aug 27 15:28:47 <lindi->   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
Aug 27 15:28:48 <lindi-> 22390 lindi     20   0 1198m 854m 7656 S   61 83.4   2:01.51 evince
Aug 27 15:28:55 <lindi-> free software world needs a pdf reader :(
Aug 27 15:31:03 <DocMobilizer> 61% of ARM or X86?
Aug 27 15:31:29 <lindi-> DocMobilizer: i'm reading the schematics on x86
Aug 27 15:31:41 <DocMobilizer> duh
Aug 27 15:31:50 <DocMobilizer> thats nasty
Aug 27 15:32:45 <DocMobilizer> anyway... ->suspend
Aug 27 15:34:55 <lindi-> wpwrak: ok i found PWREN from Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf -- is this available in some test pad?
Aug 27 15:35:26 <lindi-> there is a black dot labeled  H-TP1704  inside yellow rectangle
Aug 27 15:38:21 <lindi-> wpwrak: ok found that from CON4702
Aug 27 15:41:22 <Heinervdm> Ainulindale: #542 #549 #565 #596 #604 #605 #606 are fixed
Aug 27 15:41:50 <Ainulindale> Please tell that to dos1|away I'm really not available now
Aug 27 15:41:56 <Heinervdm> ok
Aug 27 15:42:10 <Heinervdm> dos1|away: see above ;)
Aug 27 15:49:52 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: H-TP are all testpoints
Aug 27 15:50:27 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: refer to component-placement.pdf
Aug 27 15:51:03 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: Component-placement_Freerunner-GTA02-MB-A6.pdf yes
Aug 27 16:23:39 <DocScrutinizer> some nice chips: :-) http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=244 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=7915 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8161 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8979 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9070 
Aug 27 16:26:07 <DocScrutinizer> the barometric sensor is so sensible you can use it for intrusion alarms etc
Aug 27 16:37:00 <farhaven> i'd rather have that compass module :D
Aug 27 16:37:29 <khiraly11> compass module for 60$, its not expensive a bit?
Aug 27 16:37:43 <farhaven> well, the others aren't cheaper :)
Aug 27 16:39:02 <farhaven> hmm, i wonder if i can use a 5 by 6.5 cm piece of plexiglass to level the display with the rest of the phone case
Aug 27 16:39:09 <farhaven> so it handles like an iphone
Aug 27 16:39:32 <khiraly11> I highly doubt
Aug 27 16:39:40 <farhaven> damn
Aug 27 16:39:41 <khiraly11> as it is a resistive touch screen
Aug 27 16:39:43 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: so we can finally detect when a hacker intrudes into the phone ;-)
Aug 27 16:40:00 <farhaven> khiraly11: well, i already have a thin layer of foil above the screen
Aug 27 16:40:10 <farhaven> which is about 0.1mm thick
Aug 27 16:40:17 <farhaven> or 0.2
Aug 27 16:40:19 <khiraly11> thin layer of foil != plexiglass
Aug 27 16:40:19 <DocScrutinizer> I was thinking more of someone kicking open your door
Aug 27 16:40:38 <farhaven> heh, maybe it works :P
Aug 27 16:41:04 <DocScrutinizer> farhaven: sure you can. Use mouse & kbd then for input :-P
Aug 27 16:41:17 <farhaven> hehe
Aug 27 16:41:25 <khiraly11> wpwrak: did I show you my circuit diagram made in inkscape?: http://khiraly.googlepages.com/bms_charger_us2.png
Aug 27 16:41:31 <farhaven> then i need a new case
Aug 27 16:41:38 <farhaven> where the display is not that much recessed
Aug 27 16:41:40 <farhaven> 1mm or something
Aug 27 16:42:15 <DocScrutinizer> farhaven: mill out some more of front bezel to have lower ecess of LCM
Aug 27 16:43:09 <farhaven> i'd rather produce a completely new case than mill the one i have atm
Aug 27 16:43:13 <farhaven> in case i fail :)
Aug 27 16:43:43 <wpwrak> khiraly11: yeah. quite heroic :)
Aug 27 16:44:36 <farhaven> i need a reprap
Aug 27 16:44:53 <khiraly11> farhaven: its a neverending project
Aug 27 16:44:55 <khiraly11> trust me
Aug 27 16:44:57 <khiraly11> ;-\
Aug 27 16:45:01 <DocScrutinizer> farhaven: I have a few spare dases ;-D
Aug 27 16:45:05 <farhaven> heh
Aug 27 16:45:39 <khiraly11> wpwrak: btw for case design: we could use some existing phone design, it can be buyed at many place (at least the popular ones)
Aug 27 16:45:43 <DocScrutinizer> (damn, keys seem to jump and swap)
Aug 27 16:45:55 <khiraly11> or is that idea was already examined?
Aug 27 16:46:02 <DocScrutinizer> khiraly11: I suggested that many times now
Aug 27 16:46:17 <DocScrutinizer> khiraly11: seems nobody lked it
Aug 27 16:46:21 <DocScrutinizer> khiraly11:  :-/
Aug 27 16:46:39 <khiraly11> maybe there is an iphone case too. It should be big enough for some spare batteries too
Aug 27 16:46:40 <khiraly11> ;)
Aug 27 16:46:49 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Aug 27 16:46:52 <farhaven> hehe
Aug 27 16:46:59 <farhaven> hotpluggable batteries :D
Aug 27 16:47:13 <khiraly11> farhaven: hotplugging batteries is already possible
Aug 27 16:47:16 <farhaven> and raid5 sd cards :D
Aug 27 16:47:24 <farhaven> khiraly11: but only with a power supply
Aug 27 16:47:28 <farhaven> i want it on the road :D
Aug 27 16:49:05 <khiraly11> its possible, I have this device for example: http://sznjkj.com/cpintroduce.asp?cpID=37
Aug 27 16:49:22 <khiraly11> its a bit bigger then a AA battery
Aug 27 16:49:24 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27aVPqpnL7Y
Aug 27 16:49:25 <khiraly11> plus the cable
Aug 27 16:49:35 <farhaven> hmm
Aug 27 16:57:47 <F4t> DocScrutinizer, loool, this looks like hee needs better alsa config files :D
Aug 27 16:57:50 <F4t> he*
Aug 27 16:58:19 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, but lot of space for a couple of spare batteries
Aug 27 16:58:31 <khiraly11> or for a magnetometer+!
Aug 27 16:58:32 <khiraly11> ;)
Aug 27 16:59:24 <DocScrutinizer> I actually wonder why they had no 21" screen built in to that bugger ;-)
Aug 27 16:59:51 <DocScrutinizer> probably hard to find a ts
Aug 27 17:00:23 <khiraly11> not really. eepc has it
Aug 27 17:00:27 <khiraly11> eeeepy
Aug 27 17:00:31 <khiraly11> eee-pc
Aug 27 17:00:36 <khiraly11> doh. Or whatever it called
Aug 27 17:00:47 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: thank you, now i get a fix within some seconds
Aug 27 17:01:01 <khiraly11> within some seconds?
Aug 27 17:01:05 <DocScrutinizer> BluesLee: HEH :-DDD
Aug 27 17:01:08 <khiraly11> for me its always more than 40sec
Aug 27 17:02:11 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: 20 secs 
Aug 27 17:02:30 <DocScrutinizer> BluesLee: wuld you mind sending me your broken ant - for examination?
Aug 27 17:02:59 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: sure, i will do it
Aug 27 17:03:18 <DocScrutinizer> BluesLee: actually broken parts are more valuable to me than fresh working ones
Aug 27 17:03:50 <DocScrutinizer> BluesLee: thanks! :-)
Aug 27 17:03:53 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: the soldering isnt so well done compared to the one you sent me
Aug 27 17:04:19 <DocScrutinizer> BluesLee: the ones I sent are completely different on hat particular part
Aug 27 17:04:32 <DocScrutinizer> I guess they aren't gta02
Aug 27 17:04:45 <BluesLee> DocScrutinizer: yes, i saw the difference
Aug 27 17:05:09 <DocScrutinizer> prolly gta01
Aug 27 17:05:40 <BluesLee> ohh
Aug 27 17:05:46 <DocScrutinizer> or even dash
Aug 27 17:06:22 * DocScrutinizer really regrets to never have requested for a dash sample
Aug 27 17:07:47 <BluesLee> i dont care, if it works :-)
Aug 27 18:05:41 <farhaven> hmm, what would be neccessary to make my fr able to use DECT to contact my basestation?
Aug 27 18:05:57 <farhaven> some sort of specific hardware or can i alter the wlan, like those CCC guys who cracked DECT?
Aug 27 18:06:58 <Defiant-> farhaven: the ccc guys did not alter a wlan card
Aug 27 18:07:25 <Defiant-> farhaven: They used a dect-pcmcia card
Aug 27 18:07:27 <mrmoku> dos1, hej, safe to upgrade?
Aug 27 18:07:30 <farhaven> Defiant-: damn
Aug 27 18:07:35 * mrmoku sees a new kernel...
Aug 27 18:11:57 <mrmoku> dos1, and if you want some patches to be applied... now would be a good moment :)
Aug 27 18:12:46 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, hej, did you do the big upgrade?
Aug 27 18:13:06 <net_tux> mrmoku: I just upgraded and now FSO doesn't seem to be able to enable GSM; rebooting now to try again
Aug 27 18:13:10 <DocScrutinizer> not yet
Aug 27 18:13:39 <mrmoku> net_tux, hmm... how old was your unstable before the upgrade?
Aug 27 18:13:49 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, never touch a running system :)
Aug 27 18:13:53 <DocScrutinizer> still too risky without backup. and backup means downtime
Aug 27 18:14:01 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
Aug 27 18:14:03 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: i want to have some tickets closed :) #606 #605 #604 #596 #565 #549 #542
Aug 27 18:14:35 <DocScrutinizer> Heinervdm: are they tested by independent testers?
Aug 27 18:14:36 <mrmoku> Heinervdm, I could do that... or empower you to do it yourself :P
Aug 27 18:14:51 <net_tux> mrmoku: I think it was from 2009-08-12
Aug 27 18:15:20 <net_tux> DocScrutinizer2: I back mine up live
Aug 27 18:15:20 <Heinervdm> DocScrutinizer: #606 and #604 not 
Aug 27 18:15:26 <dos1> mrmoku: hmm?
Aug 27 18:15:40 <dos1> should be safe to upgrade
Aug 27 18:16:11 <dos1> mrmoku: i was away whole day, just returned ;)
Aug 27 18:16:25 <mrmoku> dos1, I applied what I found in patchwork
Aug 27 18:16:30 <DocScrutinizer> Heinervdm: so prolly those need to go "haspatch" before we close, no?
Aug 27 18:17:21 <Heinervdm> DocScrutinizer: ok
Aug 27 18:17:24 <dos1> mrmoku: i would like to see bumped EFL :P
Aug 27 18:17:37 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, #606 was the no gsm after upgrade... which was reported as fixed by the reporter
Aug 27 18:17:54 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, ok
Aug 27 18:18:06 <DocScrutinizer> reporter may always close own bugs
Aug 27 18:18:10 <net_tux> :( time to restore - I was hoping to start playing with the opimd dates stuff
Aug 27 18:18:27 <mrmoku> dos1, navit on autorev is already built?
Aug 27 18:18:42 <net_tux> any debugging I should try before restoring?
Aug 27 18:18:58 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: you have old shr-settings! 08.08 is REALLY OLD ;x
Aug 27 18:19:05 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: most of your issues are already fixed
Aug 27 18:19:51 <DocScrutinizer> k, k
Aug 27 18:19:51 <DocScrutinizer> I'll deeply ponder about doing a backup,  then opkg upgrade
Aug 27 18:20:26 <net_tux> DocScrutinizer2: I have a nice live backup script if you'd like it
Aug 27 18:20:50 <DocScrutinizer> net_tux: I prefer full image
Aug 27 18:20:50 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: he build navit yesterday
Aug 27 18:20:58 <mrmoku> Heinervdm, ok, thanks
Aug 27 18:21:13 <net_tux> it creates a jffs img, kernel image, and normal copy of filesystem
Aug 27 18:21:22 * mrmoku closing #605
Aug 27 18:21:32 <net_tux> I prefer a full image too :)
Aug 27 18:22:20 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining, just keep on reporting. If any report obsolete, just ignore it
Aug 27 18:22:34 <mrmoku> Heinervdm, new midori in the feed too?
Aug 27 18:22:49 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: the patched one, not 1.8
Aug 27 18:23:09 <Heinervdm> 1.8 needs newer webkit and that needs newer glib and that needs...
Aug 27 18:23:09 <mrmoku> Heinervdm, ok, closing then
Aug 27 18:23:18 <dos1> ok, /me read backlog
Aug 27 18:23:30 <dos1> mrmoku: i built navit autorev today
Aug 27 18:23:31 <DocScrutinizer> dillo is fast, but hard to handle
Aug 27 18:23:37 <dos1> mrmoku: and it built;)
Aug 27 18:23:50 <DocScrutinizer> I don't even get it how to zoom
Aug 27 18:24:00 <khiraly1> dildo?
Aug 27 18:24:02 <dos1> links -g FTW :P
Aug 27 18:24:03 <khiraly1> what is it DocScrutinizer?
Aug 27 18:24:24 <mrmoku> Heinervdm, regarding #549... did that make it into SHR?
Aug 27 18:24:32 <DocScrutinizer> webbrowser
Aug 27 18:24:34 <mrmoku> it was your patches applied by mickey|lunch, right?
Aug 27 18:24:43 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: yes
Aug 27 18:25:12 <mrmoku> Heinervdm, because I never applied them to our branch...
Aug 27 18:25:26 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: oh
Aug 27 18:25:33 <Heinervdm> then it's not fixed
Aug 27 18:25:42 <Heinervdm> thougth you did?
Aug 27 18:26:00 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, getting damn close now... just 17 cells missing ;)
Aug 27 18:27:03 <mrmoku> Heinervdm, no
Aug 27 18:29:01 <DocScrutinizer> mrmoku: finding new cells getting harder each time ;-)
Aug 27 18:31:05 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer, nice thing with roaming is... you can change providers :D
Aug 27 18:32:35 <mrmoku> you just have to remember where you've already been with with provider...
Aug 27 18:33:12 <mrmoku> s/with/which
Aug 27 18:33:18 <mrmoku> (the second one) :P
Aug 27 18:34:02 <dos1> ;)
Aug 27 18:34:18 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: ping
Aug 27 18:34:21 <Heinervdm> dos1: do you know how if commit access is applied?
Aug 27 18:34:52 <dos1> i'm close to have logged everything around my home and school with my provider, so when school starts again then i'll buy pre-paid for other providers ;)
Aug 27 18:34:56 <dos1> Heinervdm: dunno, ask Ainulindale
Aug 27 18:35:25 <mrmoku> Heinervdm, commit access to OE?
Aug 27 18:35:26 <Heinervdm> dos1: ok, he's busy :)
Aug 27 18:35:28 <Ainulindale> not yet
Aug 27 18:35:35 <dos1> so mrmoku? ;)
Aug 27 18:35:36 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: no for opimd-utils
Aug 27 18:36:04 <mrmoku> Heinervdm, ahh, already have access to one of our repos?
Aug 27 18:36:15 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: no
Aug 27 18:36:53 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: fwed the mail
Aug 27 18:37:05 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, mail?
Aug 27 18:37:15 <Ainulindale> (I'm on the phone)
Aug 27 18:37:29 <dos1> mrmoku: yup. i sent mail to Ainulindale with Heinervdm's and soltys's ssh keys
Aug 27 18:37:45 <dos1> mrmoku: probably that's what he forwarded to you ;)
Aug 27 18:38:21 <Ainulindale> damn
Aug 27 18:38:28 <Ainulindale> guys I hardly have time to breathe these days
Aug 27 18:38:35 <Ainulindale> btw as I told this morning
Aug 27 18:38:43 <Ainulindale> I asked someone from bearstech to setup recaptcha on our trac
Aug 27 18:38:47 <Ainulindale> Should be spam free
Aug 27 18:38:53 <mrmoku> dos1, yeah, got the mail and adding them now
Aug 27 18:38:58 <Ainulindale> thanks a lot mrmoku 
Aug 27 18:39:02 <mrmoku> Ainulindale, np
Aug 27 18:39:18 <mrmoku> access to opimd-utils for both?
Aug 27 18:39:29 <soltys> mrmoku: for me shr-settings
Aug 27 18:39:48 <mrmoku> soltys, ok
Aug 27 18:39:56 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: opimd-utils is enough
Aug 27 18:40:16 <dos1> yup, Heinervdm - opimd-utils, soltys - shr-settings, me - pyphonelog
Aug 27 18:42:13 <mrmoku> Heinervdm, soltys: done... change your git config and work ;)
Aug 27 18:42:19 <mrmoku> dos1, grr :)
Aug 27 18:42:25 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: which username?
Aug 27 18:42:34 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: just call when you're available
Aug 27 18:42:57 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: right now I'm a bit dizzy, my head hurts, so tomorrow preferrably
Aug 27 18:42:59 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: in a glance, I'm ok for the servers tomorrow morning
Aug 27 18:43:07 <dos1> Heinervdm: git
Aug 27 18:43:19 <Heinervdm> dos1: ok
Aug 27 18:43:24 <mrmoku> dos1, ok done
Aug 27 18:43:29 <ptitjes> Ainulindale: I will move tomorrow evening, the only chance is tomorrow morning
Aug 27 18:43:36 <Ainulindale> ok
Aug 27 18:43:37 <dos1> mrmoku: thanks :)
Aug 27 18:43:41 <ptitjes> good
Aug 27 18:44:07 <ptitjes> just call me when you feel better there is not too much to talk about
Aug 27 18:44:17 <ptitjes> but for now movie time :p
Aug 27 18:52:01 <Heinervdm> dos1: url = ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/repo/opimd-utils.git ?
Aug 27 18:55:01 <dos1> Heinervdm: hmm, s/shr.bearstech.com/git.shr-project.org/
Aug 27 18:55:08 <dos1> Heinervdm: but that should also work ;)
Aug 27 18:55:48 <Heinervdm> ERROR:gitosis.serve.main:Repository read access denied
Aug 27 18:57:06 <mrmoku> Heinervdm, without repo
Aug 27 18:57:17 <Ainulindale> ptitjes: I invited you
Aug 27 18:57:19 <Ainulindale> to a chan
Aug 27 18:57:44 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: ok, that worked
Aug 27 18:57:47 <CIA-53> SHR: 03thomas 07opimd-utils * r196895a2ee47 10/ (data/dates.png data/opimd-dates.desktop opimd-dates setup.py): Add opimd-dates
Aug 27 19:02:01 <dos1> not that i'm greedy...
Aug 27 19:02:08 <dos1> but freeyourphone.de donated SHR (and shr-launcher), didn't they?
Aug 27 19:02:15 <dos1> they had that poll
Aug 27 19:02:20 <dos1> and ~27% IIRC was for shr
Aug 27 19:02:26 <dos1> anyone knows what happened with that?
Aug 27 19:04:51 <dos1> who needed some cash to buy beers? ;)
Aug 27 19:09:48 <Sharwin_F> any other image newer than this somewhere? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-lite-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
Aug 27 19:10:40 <Heinervdm> Sharwin_F: non working one ;)
Aug 27 19:11:19 <Sharwin_F> ok, so I'll download that one and opkg upgrade
Aug 27 19:11:28 <Sharwin_F> any undesirable surprise after that? xD
Aug 27 19:11:36 <Heinervdm> Sharwin_F: ace-of-penguins was added to the shr feed. you put it on opkg.org haven't you?
Aug 27 19:11:43 <DocScrutinizer> that's the "recommended" procedure :-D
Aug 27 19:11:50 <Sharwin_F> Heinervdm, yep :)
Aug 27 19:11:56 <Heinervdm> Sharwin_F: opkg was renamend to opkg-cl
Aug 27 19:12:18 <Sharwin_F> I've seen over the ML someone has added a launcher, isn't it?
Aug 27 19:12:20 <Heinervdm> Sharwin_F: i've added a little launcher vor it
Aug 27 19:12:31 <Sharwin_F> Heinervdm, thanks, well done :D
Aug 27 19:12:39 <DocScrutinizer> (opkg-cl) after upgrade it's fixed
Aug 27 19:12:41 <dos1> both are in feeds now ;)
Aug 27 19:12:52 <dos1> (ace of penguins and launcher)
Aug 27 19:12:52 <Heinervdm> Sharwin_F: but that launcher isn't build ;)
Aug 27 19:13:09 <Sharwin_F> Heinervdm, what do you mind?
Aug 27 19:13:33 <Heinervdm> the launcher is not yet build on buildhost
Aug 27 19:13:36 <dos1> Heinervdm: hmm?
Aug 27 19:13:42 <dos1> Heinervdm: i built it today
Aug 27 19:13:52 <khiraly1> my openmoko dir is 14.7GB
Aug 27 19:13:53 <Heinervdm> oh, it's in all not armv4t ;)
Aug 27 19:14:06 <khiraly1> dunno what the earth Im constantly downloading ...
Aug 27 19:16:18 <Sharwin_F> btw, I've also packed freeciv-client and freeciv-server but I think it crashed because of lack of memory
Aug 27 19:16:43 <Sharwin_F> does someone with swap on their neo want to try it?
Aug 27 19:18:12 <dos1> football is stupid
Aug 27 19:18:40 <dos1> why people are so existed on game, when arbiter can do what he wants? ;x
Aug 27 19:19:19 <dos1> team from my town is playing in european something now, so my family is watching ;P
Aug 27 19:19:59 <dos1> and there was goal, replays showed it was clean, but arbiter said there was faul, so that goal was cancelled
Aug 27 19:20:30 <dos1> i can't imagine compilator saying "syntax error" in clean code ;x
Aug 27 19:20:36 <Sharwin_F> but hooligan will kick the arbiters ass after the match then :P
Aug 27 19:20:37 <dos1> so programming > football ;)
Aug 27 19:20:56 <dos1> s/compilator/compiler/
Aug 27 19:23:01 <khiraly1> btw
Aug 27 19:23:12 <khiraly1> dos1: is ipython is available for SHR?
Aug 27 19:23:22 <khiraly1> I miss it a lot from my freerunner
Aug 27 19:23:25 <dos1> khiraly1: i saw recipe
Aug 27 19:23:33 <dos1> khiraly1: i can try to build it
Aug 27 19:23:56 <khiraly1> no worries, until i dont get my hands dirty with shr, no need to ;)
Aug 27 19:31:20 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rafa68928a43c 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: 
Aug 27 19:31:20 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: opimd: support less or equal and greater or equal
Aug 27 19:31:20 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Usage is the same like with _lt_ and _gt_ (_le_ and _ge_)
Aug 27 19:36:55 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r7bad48d70af8 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Little changes in desktop files
Aug 27 19:38:44 <dos1> khiraly1: ipython built ;D
Aug 27 19:38:50 <khiraly1> thanks
Aug 27 19:39:46 <Heinervdm> what does this error message means? http://shr.pastebin.com/d16afbcf5
Aug 27 19:43:23 <khiraly1> Heinervdm: would be nice to know the parameters ...
Aug 27 19:43:28 <khiraly1> line 12.
Aug 27 19:43:44 <khiraly1> could you insert a print statement and rerun?
Aug 27 19:44:10 <Heinervdm> can try
Aug 27 19:47:04 <khiraly1> print "k: ", k, "kw: ", kw
Aug 27 19:47:19 <khiraly1> at line 226 of Task.py
Aug 27 19:50:14 <Heinervdm> khiraly1: that are dict's
Aug 27 19:50:25 <Heinervdm> i'm looking now at Utils.py
Aug 27 19:50:39 <khiraly1> could you please paste, what they are?
Aug 27 19:51:34 <Heinervdm> khiraly1: http://shr.pastebin.com/d2fbd5712
Aug 27 19:51:42 <Slyon> Heinervdm: is opimd-dates something useable already?
Aug 27 19:52:59 <Heinervdm> Slyon: not really, you can add dates but there is some problem with adding a title because you can't write into an empty elementary.Entry ;)
Aug 27 19:53:41 <Heinervdm> and choosing the date is unconfortable, because there is no widget to choose a date, so i have a textfiels
Aug 27 19:54:09 <khiraly1> Heinervdm: I suspect the problem is that 'cwd' value is None
Aug 27 19:54:15 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rf17ff26d072a 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (3 files): opimd: cast Timestamp to float when loading from database
Aug 27 19:54:17 <khiraly1> and it triggers the no such file error
Aug 27 19:54:42 <Slyon> okay, i see. hope it gets more useable soon :)
Aug 27 19:55:33 <Heinervdm> Slyon: i'm waiting for morphis, it seems he want to make a calendar widget
Aug 27 19:55:47 <dos1> Heinervdm: you can do bigger elementary.Entry
Aug 27 19:55:49 <Heinervdm> with that it will be much more useable
Aug 27 19:55:57 <dos1> as in shr-settings phoneutils module
Aug 27 19:56:09 <Slyon> Heinervdm: cool, sounds good
Aug 27 19:56:20 <Heinervdm> dos1: ok, i will look tomorow :)
Aug 27 19:57:54 <Heinervdm> khiraly1: this waf script is not nice for crosscompile...
Aug 27 20:21:40 <DocMobilizer> PaulFertser: could we implement a netfilter target that's simply setting busy state?
Aug 27 20:22:27 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: how will it be reset?
Aug 27 20:22:52 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: i think we somehow can do that, yes, netfilter is pretty capable for tweaking by various means..
Aug 27 20:23:57 <DocMobilizer> PaulFertser: we need reset?
Aug 27 20:27:34 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: ah, busy trigger
Aug 27 20:27:39 <PaulFertser> DocMobilizer: then not
Aug 27 20:28:42 <DocMobilizer> PaulFertser: yes
Aug 27 20:48:23 <wpwrak> khiraly1: (case) naw, it's better to control that process as well. with an existing case, you always have lots of inconvenient constraints. e.g., how would you implement idbg ? either you can't or you have to rework the case. for larger numbers, making a case is not a big ticket item (in comparison).
Aug 27 21:07:20 <Sharwin_F> is there some metapackage to convert a shr-lite image into a full one using opkg?
Aug 27 21:09:22 <dos1> Sharwin_F: opkg list | grep task-shr
Aug 27 21:09:27 <dos1> Sharwin_F: install everything ;)
Aug 27 21:09:45 <Sharwin_F> dos1, great, thankss :)
Aug 27 21:09:45 <dos1> maybe except -dev and -dbg if there are some
Aug 27 21:10:23 <Sharwin_F> dos1, what about installing niebiee theme, just opkg install shr-theme-niebiee and I'm finished?
Aug 27 21:10:41 <dos1> Sharwin_F: no, that metapackage isn't working yet
Aug 27 21:10:51 <dos1> Sharwin_F: opkg install elementary-theme-niebiee e-wm-theme-niebiee shr-splash-theme-niebiee
Aug 27 21:11:07 <Sharwin_F> ok :)
Aug 27 21:11:12 <dos1> s/e-wm-theme-niebiee/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/
Aug 27 21:11:38 <DocScrutinizer> What???.... has paroli messed up my yaml.rules or what? I reproducably see backlit back to 100% on e.g. closing shrsettings-connectivity. Or starting xchat, or switching back and forth screens >:-((
Aug 27 21:12:15 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: probably. paroli has really sucking yaml rules
Aug 27 21:13:24 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: could you check: boot, set backlit to ~30%, open connectivity, (connect to gprs?), close connectivity screen. Here backlit jumps to 100%
Aug 27 21:13:41 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: no, on shr rules that just can't happen
Aug 27 21:14:02 <DocScrutinizer> I don't get why it happens at all
Aug 27 21:14:07 <dos1> as there's just nothing which could set it back to 100%
Aug 27 21:14:12 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: just check rules.yaml
Aug 27 21:14:25 <dos1> if it has SetBacklight, then it's sucking paroli
Aug 27 21:14:38 <khiraly1> ;)
Aug 27 21:14:40 <DocScrutinizer> wtf could be the yaml-trigger that shoots on closing a screen?
Aug 27 21:14:40 <dos1> +rule
Aug 27 21:14:54 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: it can shoot on busy state
Aug 27 21:15:08 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, might be
Aug 27 21:16:15 <DocScrutinizer> thought I saw some "copy foo to foo.back" on installing paroli. Thought it should revert that bullshit on opkg remove paroli
Aug 27 21:16:50 <DocScrutinizer> how do I retore sane yam-rules now?
Aug 27 21:16:51 <khiraly1> DocScrutinizer did you make with paroli at least one call?
Aug 27 21:17:02 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Aug 27 21:17:22 <DocScrutinizer> not afail
Aug 27 21:17:26 <DocScrutinizer> k
Aug 27 21:17:38 <DocScrutinizer> maybe missed inbound
Aug 27 21:18:22 <DocScrutinizer> man, I'm *pissed*
Aug 27 21:18:43 <DocScrutinizer> full backlite *sucks* in a dark beergarden
Aug 27 21:20:59 <DocScrutinizer> never trust a ipkg you didn't break yourself ;-)
Aug 27 21:21:49 <DocScrutinizer> s/ak /ak by /
Aug 27 21:24:29 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: sorry for break. Midori ate my ram -> system freeze
Aug 27 21:24:54 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: sure I was talking about busy state of FSO
Aug 27 21:25:24 * rhkfin likes the zoom in/zoom out with circular motion on the touch screen!
Aug 27 21:26:28 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: so with netfilter rules we could excellently finetune which traffic keeps device alive and which is negligable or even unwanted (during suspend or for stopping to go to suspend)
Aug 27 21:26:58 <DocScrutinizer> mickey|sports: ^
Aug 27 21:27:14 <DocScrutinizer> that's to you as well
Aug 27 21:31:29 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: any suggestion how to simply restore default yaml rules?
Aug 27 21:32:07 <DocScrutinizer> (opkg install yaml -force-reinstall)
Aug 27 21:34:06 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: opkg install -force-reinstall frameworkd-config-shr
Aug 27 21:36:08 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: muchas gracias :-)
Aug 27 21:36:46 <dos1> ok, going to bed now
Aug 27 21:36:53 <DocScrutinizer> night
Aug 27 21:37:07 <dos1> good night
Aug 27 21:47:01 <playya__> DocScrutinizer, do you already know it the n900 uses a binary protocol?
Aug 27 21:47:20 <DocScrutinizer> AT? no
Aug 27 21:47:34 <DocScrutinizer> not yet
Aug 27 21:47:51 <max_posedon> binary protocol for what?
Aug 27 21:49:39 <DocScrutinizer> by knowing playya__ I guess he asks for modem
Aug 27 21:50:26 <playya__> yes :)
Aug 27 21:53:16 <DocScrutinizer> playya: my guess would be we have a big kernel-land closed-src driver to emulate a tty talking AT, but actual communication to gsm chipset is pretty low-level (shared-mem or whatever)
Aug 27 21:54:25 <max_posedon> ofono project have some "isi" driver
Aug 27 21:54:46 <max_posedon> if n900 use ofono, that "isi" can be "that" protocol..
Aug 27 21:57:22 <DocScrutinizer> the AT cmdset might need additional CPU resources that can be obsolete by driving the DSP and GSM-TX-layer hw directly from (omap) application processor
Aug 27 21:58:04 <DocScrutinizer> in simple words: a hw AT interface is too expensive
Aug 27 22:04:12 <Heinervdm> Yeah! midori 0.1.8 compiles :)
Aug 27 22:05:26 <DocScrutinizer> fsck midori. midori needs a ulimit wrapper not to eat all the RAM on rendering a nasty large webpage
Aug 27 22:11:25 <DocScrutinizer> well, admittedly that's a wild guess. Actual observed problem was device coming to a grinding halt during loading of webpage, from sluggish over hitting a key takes a  minute to total freeze. Obviously I couldn't ask htop what's the matter in the end :-P
Aug 27 22:15:49 <rhkfin> Someone could finally implement the 'turn your phone upside down not to answer a call' -thingie..
Aug 27 22:17:44 <Heinervdm> rhkfin: i think the problem with that is that the acceloremters eat the battery
Aug 27 22:18:18 <rhkfin> Heinervdm: AFAIK they're on all the time?
Aug 27 22:18:28 <Heinervdm> yes?
Aug 27 22:18:46 <rhkfin> so what's the problem?
Aug 27 22:18:54 <Heinervdm> rhkfin: why does frameworkd ignores them?
Aug 27 22:19:06 <rhkfin> Heinervdm: no idea? Does it?
Aug 27 22:19:13 <Heinervdm> yes it does
Aug 27 22:19:42 <rhkfin> What does it mean it ignores it?
Aug 27 22:20:42 <Heinervdm> Ah it's not the battery it's the CPU: # disable accelerometer since it uses LOADS of CPU resources
Aug 27 22:20:51 <rhkfin> ah, ok..
Aug 27 22:20:58 <DocScrutinizer> gmeters can be switched on/off. No idea what's current status. 
Aug 27 22:21:02 <rhkfin> -> turn it on only when there's a incoming call?
Aug 27 22:22:01 <DocScrutinizer> you probably want to set interrupt trigger threshold so cpu load is zero until you actually see the "gesture"
Aug 27 22:23:06 <DocScrutinizer> for sureyou don't want to soft-process the raw gmeter data at full sample rate all the time
Aug 27 22:23:59 <rhkfin> true
Aug 27 22:27:59 <DocScrutinizer> you enable and read out ->x:0,y:-1000,z:0.  Set threshold to x:+-300,y:ditto,z:>0. Then wait with no cpu load until device gets considerably repositioned/accelerated
Aug 27 22:28:53 <rhkfin> right
Aug 27 22:29:13 <DocScrutinizer> if you see trigger, do same again
Aug 27 22:58:01 <Sharwin_F> Heinervdm, did you package neon? there's an error with an edje file missing
Aug 27 22:58:22 <Heinervdm> Sharwin_F: yes, i just noticed
Aug 27 22:58:38 <Sharwin_F> Heinervdm, aceofpenguins-launcher also crashes
Aug 27 22:59:35 <Sharwin_F> Heinervdm, http://pastebin.com/m4030a68d
Aug 27 23:02:58 <F4t> SHR seems to be leading in the pool :P
Aug 27 23:03:05 <F4t> s/pool/poll/
Aug 27 23:03:31 <F4t> http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq
Aug 27 23:48:00 <Heinervdm> Sharwin_F: send patches to correct these 2 errors
Aug 27 23:48:38 <Sharwin_F> Heinervdm, oki, thanks :)
Aug 28 00:17:52 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9f767b92735c 10/fsodeviced/data/ (Makefile.am fsodeviced.conf): fsodeviced: fix dbus configuration file
Aug 28 00:20:36 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5c9ab6d4d924 10/fsodeviced/configure.ac: fsodeviced: ship dbus conf file
Aug 28 01:27:00 <_Maybelline_> Hello all!
Aug 28 01:28:12 <_Maybelline_> Anyone have success connecting to a WPA2 connection using Mokonnect in SHR unstable?  Is there a trick to it?
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