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Aug 29 03:47:59 <blindcoder> good morning
Aug 29 03:48:13 <blindcoder> is there a howto somewhere on how to create bitbake files?
Aug 29 03:48:33 <blindcoder> I want to compile/adapt some small puzzle games for SHR
Aug 29 04:12:04 <blindcoder> I hate bitbake already :/
Aug 29 04:21:50 <blindcoder> why is it trying to download stuff on 'bitbake -c clean pkg'?
Aug 29 04:21:51 <blindcoder> wtf?
Aug 29 04:39:25 <blindcoder> wtf, sdl-mixer depends on mesa?
Aug 29 04:44:04 <rhkfin> SHR devels: pyelf-sudoku package description is broken (see -community mailing list, apt-portal import opkg repos... thread) - any changes of checking the .bb?
Aug 29 06:51:04 <blindcoder> alright, SDL is not for me
Aug 29 06:51:17 <blindcoder> I've been tryig for the last 1.5 hours to scale and rotate an sdl surface...
Aug 29 06:55:24 <mrmoku> dos1, ahh... this time you and Heinervdm gave me some work :P
Aug 29 06:56:06 <mrmoku> all applied and pushed
Aug 29 07:26:47 <blindcoder> can someone help me here?
Aug 29 07:26:58 <blindcoder> I have a package that only has a Makefile without an install target
Aug 29 07:27:45 <blindcoder> it installs just fine (files appear in staging/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/bin/)
Aug 29 07:28:04 <blindcoder> but the .ipk does not have any files in it (only -dbg and -dev files are created)
Aug 29 07:28:09 <blindcoder> what am I missing?
Aug 29 07:28:43 <blindcoder> here's the .bb file: http://pastebin.org/13059
Aug 29 07:42:08 <mrmoku> blindcoder, FILES is missing
Aug 29 07:42:27 <mrmoku> blindcoder, you have to specify what files get installed if it is not a autofoo package
Aug 29 07:42:40 <mrmoku> otherwise they won't get included in the package
Aug 29 07:43:36 <blindcoder> mrmoku: aah, thanks
Aug 29 07:55:00 <blindcoder> \o/
Aug 29 07:55:04 <blindcoder> brickshooter on ym FR :D
Aug 29 07:55:31 <blindcoder> now I just need to create a desktop file
Aug 29 07:55:44 <blindcoder> mrmoku: if I want this game to be added to shr, what would I need to do?
Aug 29 07:59:33 <BluesLee> blindcoder: do you have a screenshot?
Aug 29 08:02:46 <blindcoder> http://bilious.homelinux.org/~paxed/brickshooter/
Aug 29 08:03:11 <blindcoder> needs to be adapted a bit since screen size wasn't meant for this, but it works fine so far
Aug 29 08:03:14 <blindcoder> I can play at least ;)
Aug 29 08:10:12 <mrmoku> blindcoder, send a patch against the shr/import tree of OE to shr-devel
Aug 29 08:10:26 <mrmoku> blindcoder, that should be all :)
Aug 29 08:18:26 <blindcoder> mrmoku: alright, I'll try. Haven't used git before.
Aug 29 08:21:16 <blindcoder> I'm not even sure if I placed it in the correct directory ;)
Aug 29 08:21:34 <blindcoder> shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/brickshooter/brickshoot_0.04.bb
Aug 29 08:22:33 <mrmoku> blindcoder, if the app is called brickshoot... the directory should have the same name
Aug 29 08:22:42 <blindcoder> brickshoot_er_
Aug 29 08:22:50 <blindcoder> sorry, forgot to type that :)
Aug 29 08:22:56 <mrmoku> ok :)
Aug 29 08:23:01 <blindcoder> the bb is also called brickshooter_0.04.bb
Aug 29 08:23:08 <mrmoku> fine then
Aug 29 08:23:41 <blindcoder> great :-)
Aug 29 09:14:10 <khiraly1> hi
Aug 29 09:25:10 <blindcoder> if anyone wants to tryp: http://pallas.crash-override.net/~blindcoder/brickshooter_0.04-r0_armv4t.ipk
Aug 29 09:25:22 <blindcoder> i'm currently waiting for confirmation mails from shr-devel and opkg.org
Aug 29 09:34:07 <blindcoder> hehe: http://www.opkg.org/package_270.html
Aug 29 09:49:54 <Slyon_> Hey, I'm getting an error while "make image". I'm trying to build the shr-u image. Can anyone help me solving this? Errorlog is here: http://pastebin.com/m68b405a8
Aug 29 10:56:05 <Q-Master> hi All!
Aug 29 10:58:18 <mrmoku> Slyon_, no cache dir configured?
Aug 29 10:58:32 <mrmoku> Slyon_, are you building with our Makefile or with plain OE?
Aug 29 10:58:38 <Slyon> shr makefile
Aug 29 10:59:15 <mrmoku> Slyon, try to remove the cache dir?
Aug 29 10:59:42 <Slyon> mrmoku: where is the cache dir located?
Aug 29 11:00:01 <mrmoku> Slyon, shr-unstable/tmp/cache
Aug 29 11:00:36 <Slyon> mrmoku: okay, i'm now trying without the cache dir
Aug 29 11:08:27 <Slyon> mrmoku|away: cache dir deleted, but i still got the same error
Aug 29 11:11:02 <mrmoku> Slyon, hmm... what distro are you building on?
Aug 29 11:11:39 <mrmoku> Slyon, you could check at http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/OEandYourDistro if everything needed is installed...
Aug 29 11:12:42 <bumbl> mickey|sports: ping
Aug 29 11:13:14 <Slyon> mrmoku: i'm using Fedora11 and before the makefile changed from svn to git I could build images..
Aug 29 11:15:06 <Slyon> mrmoku: ccache wasn't installed. maybe this will solve it
Aug 29 11:15:14 <CIA-53> SHR: 03monto84 07shr * ra56e623904a9 10/ophonekitd/src/ (ophonekitd-main.c ophonekitd-main.h): ophonekitd: Added option to allow to choose if the incoming SMS should be displayed or not
Aug 29 11:16:12 <mrmoku> sybren, yeah.. ccache is needed
Aug 29 11:16:16 <mrmoku> ups
Aug 29 11:16:20 <mrmoku> Slyon, ^^
Aug 29 11:16:24 <sybren> mrmoku: that's good to know :P
Aug 29 11:16:32 <Slyon> ^^
Aug 29 11:16:36 <mrmoku> Slyon, and I'm building fine with F11 too :)
Aug 29 11:16:58 <Slyon> mrmoku: nice =)
Aug 29 11:17:49 <mrmoku> ok... lucnh time
Aug 29 11:17:58 <Sharwin_F> does someone know how to get this? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/58b0aaa621963d4a21cd55611a2e797e.png :D
Aug 29 11:18:49 <Slyon> Sharwin_F: hehe, yes
Aug 29 11:18:52 <Slyon> i'm the author
Aug 29 11:19:11 <Sharwin_F> Slyon, that's great man :D
Aug 29 11:19:15 <Slyon> Sharwin_F: i just set up a git reop. check: http://github.com/slyon/today/tree/master
Aug 29 11:20:11 <Sharwin_F> Slyon, is it easy to set up?
Aug 29 11:21:12 <Slyon> it's in a pretty early stage. just copy the 3 files onto you phone, cd into this dir and run python today.py
Aug 29 11:22:42 <Sharwin_F> Slyon, is it necessary to have the png file if I've the niebiee theme installed?
Aug 29 11:23:51 <Slyon> Sharwin_F: yes, at the moment it is. but i'm looking how to use the default edj file for the background, but you can change the background of the today app to every pic you want, just change it in the conf file
Aug 29 11:27:32 <Sharwin_F> Slyon, it takes a long time since I run the app and the screens appears
Aug 29 11:28:29 <Slyon> Sharwin_F: it appears if you click the AUX button, if FSO lock signal is received or if you go to suspend
Aug 29 11:29:46 <Slyon> Sharwin_F: is it working?
Aug 29 11:30:44 <dos1> Slyon: hehe, my wallpaper ;)
Aug 29 11:31:00 <dos1> Slyon: i did it originally for http://dos.jogger.pl/ website :D
Aug 29 11:31:01 <Slyon> dos1: jap, hope it's ok?
Aug 29 11:31:17 <dos1> Slyon: of course, don't worry ;)
Aug 29 11:31:29 <Slyon> dos1: nice :)
Aug 29 11:31:50 <dos1> layout on that blog was the only one weblayout which i did and i liked ;)
Aug 29 11:32:02 <dos1> so i reused it also in few other places :D
Aug 29 11:32:07 <Sharwin_F> SLyes it works, I thought all that triggers weren't done yet :P
Aug 29 11:32:17 <Slyon> hehe
Aug 29 11:32:37 <Sharwin_F> so on suspending, it shows the screen and then it suspends?
Aug 29 11:32:46 <Slyon> Sharwin_F: so, you are the first user of my first app, congratulations ;)
Aug 29 11:33:02 <Sharwin_F> and then when it resumes you get the screen?
Aug 29 11:33:39 <Slyon> Sharwin_F: yes if SUSPEND signal is received it powers of the displa, then loads the today-screen and then it goes to suspend
Aug 29 11:33:55 <Sharwin_F> greats :D
Aug 29 11:33:58 <Sharwin_F> *great
Aug 29 11:34:25 <Sharwin_F> what about if it resumes because of a call?
Aug 29 11:34:50 <Slyon> Sharwin_F: and powering of the display brings smooth suspend without console messages and flicker
Aug 29 11:35:31 <Slyon> if a incoming call arrives it wakes up and shows <peer-nr.> is calling and then you can slide to unlock and answer the call
Aug 29 11:36:11 <Sharwin_F> that rocks :D
Aug 29 11:36:19 <Slyon> hehe, thanks
Aug 29 11:37:11 <Sharwin_F> but I think we like to see console messages, it makes us feel geeks xD
Aug 29 11:37:26 <dos1> hmmmm
Aug 29 11:37:57 <dos1> Slyon: i'll look at it too
Aug 29 11:38:17 <Slyon> Sharwin_F: yes, i want to make thinks like this, which has nothing to do with a today app, make an option so you could disable it ;)
Aug 29 11:38:24 <Slyon> things*
Aug 29 11:38:25 <dos1> Slyon: if it'll be good then maybe it'll be added to SHR by default
Aug 29 11:38:43 <Slyon> dos1: yeah, that' nice :)
Aug 29 11:39:07 <dos1> Slyon: where that files should be placed?
Aug 29 11:39:33 <Slyon> dos1: problem is: it uses opimd for missedCalls and unreadMessages and they have to be cleard by an opimd-app like your opimd-utils
Aug 29 11:39:54 <dos1> ah, ok
Aug 29 11:39:58 <dos1> that's even nicer! :)
Aug 29 11:40:00 <Slyon> dos1: it doesn't matter. but you have to be in that dir to start
Aug 29 11:40:05 <Slyon> it
Aug 29 11:41:33 <TeLLuS> To compile linphone the newer version of libosip2 is needed. Changed to preferred-shr-versions.inc:PREFERRED_VERSION_libosip2 ?= "3.1.0"  Is there a reason to why the old one is set in this file?
Aug 29 11:43:05 <dos1> Slyon: hmm
Aug 29 11:43:06 <dos1> strange
Aug 29 11:43:10 <dos1> DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 3 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.51" (uid=0 pid=4026 comm="python ./today.py ") interface="(unset)" member="SetBacklightPower" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination=":1.7" (uid=0 pid=1377 comm="python /usr/bin/frameworkd "))
Aug 29 11:43:56 <Slyon> dos1: whats that?
Aug 29 11:44:02 <dos1> Slyon: error from your app
Aug 29 11:44:19 <Slyon> how did you start it?
Aug 29 11:44:24 <dos1> ./today.py
Aug 29 11:45:25 <Slyon> hm... it works for me
Aug 29 11:45:54 <Slyon> did you scp this files to you phone, cd'ed into the dir and did ./today.py (or python today.py)?
Aug 29 11:46:14 <bumbl> hmm strange
Aug 29 11:46:23 <Sharwin_F> it works for me too
Aug 29 11:46:26 <bumbl> i loose sms most of the time now
Aug 29 11:46:40 <bumbl> without updating anything,...
Aug 29 11:47:02 <dos1> Slyon: it's on suspending and resuming
Aug 29 11:47:18 <bumbl> someone sends me the sms, i hear it coming through my loudspeakers which interfer with the neo but they never arrive @ frameworkd
Aug 29 11:47:33 <F4t> dos1 how do i get the lock screen?
Aug 29 11:48:11 <dos1> bumbl: and you didn't play with opimd backends?
Aug 29 11:48:20 <Slyon> dos1: works without trouble here... maybe it is some config error on you phone?
Aug 29 11:48:54 <dos1> bumbl: and is it latest image (or upgraded to latest)?
Aug 29 11:49:00 <dos1> Slyon: other apps works well
Aug 29 11:49:02 <Sharwin_F> hm I havent tried suspending, just blank screen and AUX, I'll try
Aug 29 11:49:19 <dos1> Slyon: well, i couldn't develop opimd and opimd-utils with incorrect configuration of dbus ;>
Aug 29 11:49:59 <Slyon> dos1: that's true, but i have no idea what that error want so say^^ it's my first app and my first contact with dbus
Aug 29 11:50:18 <Sharwin_F> work ok here on suspending
Aug 29 11:50:37 <Slyon> dos1: i have nothing changed in my configs and it works
Aug 29 11:52:17 <bumbl> dos1: it was the first unstable image after weeks some weeks ago - and it worked well until yesterday and today (reboot solves the issue for some time)  
Aug 29 11:52:18 <Slyon> F4t: you mean this: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/58b0aaa621963d4a21cd55611a2e797e.png ?
Aug 29 11:52:40 <bumbl> not upgraded as upgrades always break something
Aug 29 11:52:56 <F4t> Slyon, yep
Aug 29 11:53:11 <Slyon> F4t: check: http://wiki.github.com/slyon/today
Aug 29 11:53:55 <Slyon> F4t: you could try if the screenlock works for you on suspend
Aug 29 11:54:59 <F4t> cool
Aug 29 11:55:01 <F4t> thanks
Aug 29 11:55:15 <Slyon> yw
Aug 29 11:55:25 <dos1> Slyon: you could think about having little spacing between toggle and bottom edge of screen ;x
Aug 29 11:55:48 <dos1> as it's in iShit
Aug 29 11:56:32 <F4t> is there git client in unstable repo?
Aug 29 11:57:17 <dos1> F4t: yes
Aug 29 11:57:25 <Slyon> dos1: yea, i thought about that already. is there some "margin-bottom" in elementary? (i'm elementary noob, too)
Aug 29 11:57:31 <dos1> Slyon: and "unlocked" text isn't needed i think ;)
Aug 29 11:58:03 <dos1> Slyon: i'll send you patch
Aug 29 11:58:18 <Slyon> dos1: okay, great :)
Aug 29 11:58:30 <dos1> and also - updating every second is overkill ;x
Aug 29 11:58:42 <dos1> 5 or even 10 seconds should be nice
Aug 29 11:59:22 <Slyon> dos1: but we could have a 5 or 10 sec delay on minute change
Aug 29 11:59:34 <Slyon> (which isn't that fatal)
Aug 29 11:59:40 <dos1> Slyon: so? do we really care about that?
Aug 29 11:59:41 <dos1> ;)
Aug 29 11:59:56 <Slyon> hehe
Aug 29 11:59:57 <dos1> clock widget in shr already has 5 (IIRC) seconds delay
Aug 29 12:00:38 <Slyon> okay, add a delay in the patch ;)
Aug 29 12:00:48 <Sharwin_F> dos1, I'm leaving now, do you have line number to change 1 to 5 seconds before going? :P
Aug 29 12:01:11 <dos1> Sharwin_F: 160
Aug 29 12:01:18 <Slyon> 160
Aug 29 12:01:29 <Slyon> argh, dos was faster
Aug 29 12:03:21 <F4t> btw, does anyone have any complaints about mokonnect?
Aug 29 12:03:41 <Sharwin_F> hehe, that gives problems, because I get to see the "blocked" usual label from Ilume :P
Aug 29 12:04:04 <Sharwin_F> anyway, have to go, see ya
Aug 29 12:04:04 <dos1> F4t: it doesn't work! you n00b! you suck!
Aug 29 12:04:06 <dos1> ;)
Aug 29 12:05:22 <F4t> dos1, your theme is ugly!
Aug 29 12:06:10 <dos1> ooooooooooohhhh
Aug 29 12:06:12 <dos1> you bastard!
Aug 29 12:06:14 <dos1> :D
Aug 29 12:07:59 <F4t> can soemone close this ticket for me with the msg: "Fixed in svn revision 110" http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/600
Aug 29 12:08:06 <sybren> F4t: last time I tried mokonnect it didn't see my wlan
Aug 29 12:08:10 <F4t> or give me access :P
Aug 29 12:08:29 <F4t> sybren, want to try and fix it with me?
Aug 29 12:08:47 <sybren> F4t: sure, tell me what to do
Aug 29 12:09:19 <F4t> run it from console ("mokonnect") and when u click scan, leace it open for a while (even if it says scan complete)
Aug 29 12:09:34 <F4t> while its open, goto the terminal and see if u have any exceptions or weird msgs
Aug 29 12:10:52 <TeLLuS> sybren: Have you tried after a reboot?
Aug 29 12:10:54 <dos1> Slyon: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6b6295ce27be12578a764549fb7777ca.png
Aug 29 12:10:59 <dos1> Slyon: isn't it better? :)
Aug 29 12:11:13 <Slyon> dos1: yap it is
Aug 29 12:11:21 <F4t> dos1, ye, but remvoe the ugly blue stuff :P
Aug 29 12:11:28 <F4t> remove*
Aug 29 12:11:44 <dos1> Slyon: i'll also implement displaying name instead of number using opimd interface ;)
Aug 29 12:11:46 <Slyon> F4t: the ugly blue stuff is configurabel ;)
Aug 29 12:12:05 <sybren> F4t: I'll install it now, and see what happens
Aug 29 12:12:06 <dos1> Slyon: and specially for F4t i'll hardcode ugly blue stuff
Aug 29 12:12:09 <dos1> Slyon: do you agree? :D
Aug 29 12:12:12 <F4t> dos1, so i need you to close a ticket, or gimme trac access...
Aug 29 12:12:16 <sybren> TeLLuS: no idea ;-)
Aug 29 12:12:21 <dos1> F4t: i closed that ticket already ;
Aug 29 12:12:23 <dos1> ;)
Aug 29 12:12:26 <F4t> ah, cool
Aug 29 12:12:26 <Slyon> dos1: okay, that was next on my TODO, but you can to it and i can learn out of your code :)
Aug 29 12:12:37 <Slyon> dos1: i agree ;)
Aug 29 12:13:23 <dos1> Slyon: in meantime learn how to write bb recipes, so i'll be able to add package with your app into shr repo ;)
Aug 29 12:14:01 <Slyon> dos1: i check if i find some docs about writing bb-files
Aug 29 12:14:08 <blindcoder> bb recipes are the work of satan :P
Aug 29 12:14:15 <Slyon> :D
Aug 29 12:14:23 <dos1> as rock music
Aug 29 12:14:30 <blindcoder> to get a simple 'make' and manual install took me a few hours today :P
Aug 29 12:14:31 <dos1> and because rock music is cool
Aug 29 12:14:39 <dos1> so bb files have to be cool too ;>
Aug 29 12:14:40 <blindcoder> dos1: your logic is flawed :P
Aug 29 12:15:30 <F4t> Slyon, so did you try to the scan?
Aug 29 12:15:59 <Slyon> F4t: sybren is your man ;)
Aug 29 12:16:18 <F4t> oh, right
Aug 29 12:16:47 <F4t> sybren, so did you try to do the scan? :P
Aug 29 12:18:22 <khiraly1> could somebody direct me a code which use docstrings nicely?
Aug 29 12:18:25 <sybren> F4t: working on it, doing several things at the same time ;-)
Aug 29 12:22:48 <blindcoder> btw, is it possible to start launcher instead of the default application launcher?
Aug 29 12:25:01 <sybren> F4t: http://pastebin.com/m62829fe7
Aug 29 12:25:32 <F4t> sybren, just wait in the scan window soe more
Aug 29 12:25:35 <F4t> some*
Aug 29 12:26:28 <sybren> F4t: the window already tells me "Scan Complete"
Aug 29 12:27:39 <TeLLuS> sybren: Have you tried scan after a rebooting the neo?
Aug 29 12:28:04 <F4t> sybren, it doesnt matter, it can appear after that :-/
Aug 29 12:28:12 <F4t> thanks to connman's skills
Aug 29 12:28:19 <argiris> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/    wich uImage should I use?
Aug 29 12:30:34 <sybren> F4t: I see one network now, but not my own. I'm also missing some of my neighbours' networks
Aug 29 12:31:19 <argiris> what is ubifs.img?
Aug 29 12:31:37 <F4t> sybren, are yo comparing this to the same detect on the device in the same location using other tools? or detect by a nearby laptop/different location of moko?
Aug 29 12:31:38 <TeLLuS> argiris: I would probably try the latest one.. http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe11+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin
Aug 29 12:32:09 <F4t> argiris, is it possible ur own network is marked as hidden?
Aug 29 12:32:12 <F4t> oops
Aug 29 12:32:22 <F4t> sybren, is it possible ur own network is marked as hidden
Aug 29 12:33:19 <sybren> F4t: I'm basing this on experience (my network is not hidden) and the output of "iwlist scan" on the same device, which in 3 seconds of scanning finds more networks (including my own) than 3 minutes of scanning in mokonnect
Aug 29 12:34:24 <F4t> sybren, theres not much i can do in this situation.... mokonnect uses connman for scanning, which uses wpa_supplicant...
Aug 29 12:35:10 <F4t> sybren, you can try entering the details of your network without scanning, and marking the "hidden network" tick
Aug 29 12:35:12 <F4t> it could work
Aug 29 12:35:13 <argiris> you speak about this channel network F4t?
Aug 29 12:36:31 <argiris> F4t: channel list don't have openmoko-cdevel if that you mean
Aug 29 12:38:07 <F4t> sybren, try connecting with the hidden, and if it fails, paste the log from terminal...
Aug 29 12:38:15 <sybren> F4t: when I want to edit the ESSID or the password, I have to click exactly on the 'password' text to place the cursor there. This is quite difficult with just your fingers.
Aug 29 12:38:30 * F4t away for a while
Aug 29 12:39:12 <F4t> argiris, i typed the wrong name.... i ment sybren
Aug 29 12:40:19 <sybren> F4t: the password field is way too small, can't fit my password in there without it spreading it across 5 lines
Aug 29 12:40:58 <F4t> sybren, thats because ur password is giant :D
Aug 29 12:41:07 <F4t> sybren, ill think of a way to solve this....
Aug 29 12:41:33 <sybren> F4t: don't punish people that actually pick a good password. I use an easy to remember phrase, much better than 45e31edg90a1
Aug 29 12:41:58 <F4t> sybren, even more problematic, is if u leave the password field blank, and focus out, you can no longer edit the field at all, its elementary annoyances
Aug 29 12:42:21 <dos1> F4t: you can solve that with using correct align and weight hints
Aug 29 12:42:23 <sybren> F4t: yes, and quite annoying at that. Completely against any usability guideline I've ever seen (and I've seen quite a few)
Aug 29 12:42:29 <dos1> F4t: look at Phoneutils module in shr-settings
Aug 29 12:42:37 <F4t> btw, whats ur wifi type? if its wpa2 then it should be named rsn or some other shit conman invented for it
Aug 29 12:43:03 <sybren> F4t: it refuses to connect. A manually started wpa_supplicant finds my network just fine, and reports it as WPA2-PSK-CCMP
Aug 29 12:43:40 <F4t> any msgs in terminal?
Aug 29 12:43:57 <sybren> F4t: http://pastebin.com/d4566f14d
Aug 29 12:44:34 <F4t> *sigh* this looks like my bug...
Aug 29 12:44:41 <sybren> F4t: Some more usability: clicking on the "Password" label should also focus the text field.
Aug 29 12:46:40 <dos1> did someone write anything to me?
Aug 29 12:47:59 <F4t> we had a lengthy discussion about the ugliness of the blue color
Aug 29 12:48:23 <F4t> sybren, created a ticket.... http://www.assembla.com/spaces/shrdev/tickets/22-Fails-to-connect-to-a-hidden-network-with-WPA2-encryption
Aug 29 12:56:20 <sybren> F4t: but that's not true - the network isn't hidden
Aug 29 12:57:00 <dos1> Slyon: mail?
Aug 29 12:57:12 <Slyon> lukasmaerdian(at)gmail.com
Aug 29 12:58:00 <Q-Master> dos1: frameworkd is not working if setting the log level to ERROR, e.x
Aug 29 12:59:06 <Q-Master> it throws exception
Aug 29 12:59:33 <dos1> Q-Master: really helpful bug report ; p
Aug 29 12:59:39 <dos1> Q-Master: which exception?
Aug 29 12:59:44 <dos1> Slyon: patch sent
Aug 29 12:59:52 <Slyon> dos1: now you have to guide me how to apply, pls :)
Aug 29 12:59:59 <dos1> Slyon: without contact resolving yet
Aug 29 13:00:05 <Q-Master> dos1: sorry. w8t a bit. I'll get the exception, which i've stored to text file
Aug 29 13:00:07 <dos1> Slyon: git apply my-file.patch
Aug 29 13:00:13 <dos1> and then git commit and push as always
Aug 29 13:00:17 <Slyon> alright
Aug 29 13:01:09 <Q-Master> dos1: http://pastebin.com/m13ca61f4
Aug 29 13:01:48 <dos1> Q-Master: that's about muxer
Aug 29 13:01:56 <dos1> Q-Master: fso-abyss
Aug 29 13:02:02 <dos1> Q-Master: so not frameworkd problem ;P
Aug 29 13:03:18 <Q-Master> dos1: this happens only when set loglevel to anything lesser than info. 8(
Aug 29 13:03:36 <dos1> Q-Master: so maybe fso-abyss handles incorrectly loglevels lesses than info? ;x
Aug 29 13:04:02 <Q-Master> dos1: might be
Aug 29 13:05:23 <Slyon> dos1: error: patch failed: today.py:80
Aug 29 13:08:08 <Slyon> dos1: solved
Aug 29 13:08:20 <mrmoku> anyboday knows what's up to midori?
Aug 29 13:08:29 <mrmoku> it segfaults :(
Aug 29 13:08:34 <dos1> mrmoku: mokomaze does not build :(
Aug 29 13:08:49 <mrmoku> dos1, due to the last patch?
Aug 29 13:08:54 <mrmoku> or because of upstream?
Aug 29 13:09:00 <dos1> patch
Aug 29 13:09:21 <mrmoku> dos1, due to what?
Aug 29 13:09:27 <dos1> do_patch failed
Aug 29 13:09:46 <mrmoku> got a fix already?
Aug 29 13:10:04 <dos1> no, i didn't look at it yet
Aug 29 13:10:15 <Q-Master> why does task-shr-gtk depends on libpurple-plugin-msn?
Aug 29 13:10:19 <Q-Master> what for?
Aug 29 13:10:43 <mrmoku> Q-Master, to give pidgin msn capabilities?
Aug 29 13:11:15 <mrmoku> dos1, today is probably my last day with internet :(
Aug 29 13:11:16 <Q-Master> mrmoku: seems that pidgin should have that dependency, but not task-shr-gtk
Aug 29 13:11:22 * mrmoku can hear the whispers already....
Aug 29 13:11:39 <dos1> mrmoku: :(
Aug 29 13:11:48 <Q-Master> mrmoku: I have my own build pidgin and always have that task failing to install.
Aug 29 13:11:59 <Slyon> dos1: it's in the repo
Aug 29 13:12:09 <dos1> Slyon: thanks ;)
Aug 29 13:17:30 <mrmoku> dos1, is it due to not finding the patch because of the dir missing git8?
Aug 29 13:18:53 <mrmoku> dos1, trying that now
Aug 29 13:19:09 <dos1> mrmoku: no, git8 is there
Aug 29 13:19:18 <dos1> i think i know
Aug 29 13:19:18 <mrmoku> dos1, I just moved it ;)
Aug 29 13:19:23 <dos1> ah
Aug 29 13:19:24 <dos1> :D
Aug 29 13:19:30 <dos1> well, no
Aug 29 13:19:36 <dos1> patch didn't have any directory
Aug 29 13:19:41 <dos1> just a/data/blahblah
Aug 29 13:19:44 <mrmoku> ahh, ok
Aug 29 13:19:47 * mrmoku stops the build
Aug 29 13:19:48 <dos1> instead of a/mokomaze/blahblah
Aug 29 13:20:33 <mrmoku> dos1, so a pnum=0 might fix it...
Aug 29 13:21:30 * mrmoku tries that now
Aug 29 13:26:31 <mrmoku> dos1, hmm... repo.or.cz seems to be down :(
Aug 29 13:27:05 <dos1> i can't check, it's blocked here :P
Aug 29 13:27:43 <mrmoku> NOTE: Task failed: Error: /home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/mokomaze/./fsoraw.patch not found.
Aug 29 13:28:08 <dos1>  /./?
Aug 29 13:32:00 <F4t> dos1, thats true since a hidden wpa2 network won't work for the same reason/exception
Aug 29 13:32:09 <F4t> man am i drunk today
Aug 29 13:32:18 <F4t> sybren, thats true since a hidden wpa2 network won't work for the same reason/exception
Aug 29 13:32:18 <F4t> dos1, ignore
Aug 29 13:32:26 <dos1>  /ignore F4t
Aug 29 13:32:30 <F4t> mrmoku, omfg ur back
Aug 29 13:32:31 <dos1> as requested
Aug 29 13:32:33 <dos1> ;D
Aug 29 13:32:36 <F4t> lol
Aug 29 13:32:42 <dos1> ;)
Aug 29 13:33:16 <mrmoku> F4t, nah not back ;)
Aug 29 13:35:04 <F4t> mrmoku, halucinations?
Aug 29 13:37:20 <mrmoku> F4t, not that drunk, no :P
Aug 29 13:38:54 <mrmoku> dos1, guess I have to let you fix it :P
Aug 29 13:39:13 <Slyon> dos1: check http://github.com/slyon/today/tree/master i added setup.py and a bb file
Aug 29 13:39:15 <mrmoku> dos1, will try to come back tonight and apply stuff I find in patchwork
Aug 29 13:39:25 <mrmoku> cu
Aug 29 13:39:53 <dos1> Slyon: don't hardcode /home/root :x
Aug 29 13:39:53 <Slyon> dos1: i don't know if my bb works, as i have no working build enviroment, it is just copy and paste + a few changes from you shr-installer
Aug 29 13:40:08 <dos1> ok, i'll test it and fix if needed
Aug 29 13:40:17 <Slyon> getenv isn't available
Aug 29 13:40:18 <dos1> but change that /home/root... ;x
Aug 29 13:40:31 <dos1> so even use /etc, that's less sucking :P
Aug 29 13:40:49 <Slyon> okay and wherer to put the wallpaper?
Aug 29 13:42:40 <dos1> Slyon: in /usr/share/shr-today
Aug 29 13:42:48 <Slyon> dos1: k
Aug 29 13:45:47 <Slyon> dos1: okay, pushed
Aug 29 13:46:17 <dos1> Slyon: change FILES_${PN} += "/etc"
Aug 29 13:46:22 <dos1> Slyon: into CONFFILES_${PN} += "/etc"
Aug 29 13:46:47 <dos1> and i think that's all what i can see looking at code :)
Aug 29 13:46:54 <dos1> will try to build it now
Aug 29 13:47:06 <dos1> mrmoku|away: mokomaze is building :)
Aug 29 13:47:26 <dos1> btw. who's elmdentica developer?
Aug 29 13:50:11 <Slyon> dos1: did that change
Aug 29 13:51:11 <dos1> Slyon: ok, thanks :
Aug 29 13:51:12 <dos1> :)
Aug 29 14:11:25 <dos1> Slyon: btw. are you sure shr-today is good name for screen locker?
Aug 29 14:15:28 <Slyon> dos1: hmm, i wanted to integrade upcoming dates etc
Aug 29 14:15:37 <Slyon> so its a sort of a today screen
Aug 29 14:15:41 <dos1> hmm
Aug 29 14:15:50 <dos1> ok
Aug 29 14:16:43 <Slyon> do you think its better to name it shr-lock?
Aug 29 14:18:32 <argiris> meaningless......
Aug 29 14:21:33 <Slyon> dos1: do you think its better to name it shr-lock?
Aug 29 14:23:39 <dos1> no shr-lock... it sucks ;x
Aug 29 14:23:59 <dos1> shr-locker is better, but ok, it can be shr-today
Aug 29 14:24:22 <Slyon> dos1: okay, then it will stay at shr-today
Aug 29 14:41:57 <khiraly1> shr-locker sounds like shr-sucker
Aug 29 14:41:59 <khiraly1> ;)
Aug 29 14:42:40 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r5dfce55f5cec 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: allow multiline field values
Aug 29 14:42:51 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r504c27fc4cc5 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: more work on adding/editing
Aug 29 14:42:51 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r036a0357e516 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: implement adding new fields
Aug 29 14:43:37 <Q-Master> dos1: have you made sorting and normal searching?
Aug 29 14:44:51 <khiraly1> dos1: do you plan to synchronize with google's contacts?
Aug 29 14:45:08 <bumbl> khiraly1: is paroli dead or do the devs just don't have any time to code&commit
Aug 29 14:45:09 <Wonka> I propose "shr-screenlock".
Aug 29 14:45:21 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * r99c4f39f03a4 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/ (Makefile.am elmdentica.png supertux.png): shr-theme: add elmdentica and supertux icons
Aug 29 14:45:36 <dos1> Q-Master: what do you mean by "sorting and normal searching"?
Aug 29 14:45:42 <khiraly1> bumbl: I was distracted with some more base stuff (edje, evas magic), but definietly not dead at all
Aug 29 14:45:49 <dos1> sorting is implemented, and searching too :P
Aug 29 14:46:23 <Q-Master> dos1: opimd-contacts shows all contacts unsorted. BTW, there are 2 possible ways of sorting, 1st name, then second and vice versa. 8)
Aug 29 14:46:25 <khiraly1> bumbl: my paroli dir on my computer is a real mess, there are many unfinished stuff inside ...
Aug 29 14:46:35 <Q-Master> dos1: 8)
Aug 29 14:46:49 <dos1> Q-Master: when you don't upgrade then it's unsorted ;P
Aug 29 14:47:10 <blindcoder> okay, WTF is bitbake's problem?
Aug 29 14:47:20 <Q-Master> dos1: don't get you
Aug 29 14:47:25 <khiraly1> dos1: if you plan to synchronize with google's contact, you sold opimd to me, and I will integrate into paroli
Aug 29 14:47:31 * Q-Master is updating often
Aug 29 14:47:36 <blindcoder> when I run 'parse' it tries to download stuff (WHY?) then bails out because it can't resolve a hostname (repo.or.cz)
Aug 29 14:47:54 <dos1> khiraly1: not synchronize, but using google calendar as backend - why not?
Aug 29 14:48:11 <khiraly1> google contacts
Aug 29 14:48:17 <khiraly1> not calendar
Aug 29 14:48:27 <khiraly1> I mean, when you log into gmail, you have contacts
Aug 29 14:48:29 <dos1> khiraly1: yup, i had in mind contacts ;D
Aug 29 14:48:37 <dos1> sorry, just writing mistake ;)
Aug 29 14:48:48 <khiraly1> google calendar is not bad either;)
Aug 29 14:49:11 <khiraly1> if we do all the two we replaced all the advantage of ms exchange/outlook
Aug 29 14:49:20 <khiraly1> or whatever is called ...
Aug 29 14:50:30 <khiraly1> many corporate use ms outlook because they synchronize upcoming events with it. And using contacts to send corporate-spam/shit.
Aug 29 14:51:02 <khiraly1> never really understood all the hype around, as I dont really organize my days, so calendar is pointless for me;-P
Aug 29 14:52:24 <khiraly1> dos1: back to contacts. If google contacts could be used as backend, it would simply mean the application needs to handle the synchronization (maybe with user assistance)
Aug 29 14:55:17 <khiraly1> dos1: in gmail's contacts every contact can added to multiple group
Aug 29 14:55:26 <dos1> as in opimd
Aug 29 14:56:04 <khiraly1> so simply an openmoko group could be created, and the whole contact list could be uploaded to google contacts without the fear of conflicting the rest of contacts
Aug 29 14:56:28 <dos1> khiraly1: hmmm
Aug 29 14:56:31 <khiraly1> .... conflicting with the rest ....
Aug 29 14:56:42 <dos1> khiraly1: i don't think it's needed
Aug 29 14:57:04 <khiraly1> I do think it is. My contacts in gmail are more than 800 now
Aug 29 14:57:22 <khiraly1> there are all the corporate contacts inside, my friends, mailing lists, etc
Aug 29 14:58:06 <khiraly1> so I dont want to inject my mobile phonebook as is, because on my mobile I carefully add the most important contacts. (ie. less than 50)
Aug 29 14:58:18 <khiraly1> so I would like to locate easily which contacts are on my sim
Aug 29 14:58:38 <dos1> khiraly1: so maybe configuration?
Aug 29 14:59:10 <khiraly1> label name ('openmoko', 'my_awesome_phone') sure, could be a configuration question
Aug 29 14:59:33 <khiraly1> but applying a label (ie. adding to a group) I think its musthave. If not it will generate more confusion than good
Aug 29 14:59:36 <dos1> and if it use only label name or all of contacts
Aug 29 15:00:01 <khiraly1> hmm? could you rephrase please?
Aug 29 15:00:36 <dos1> khiraly1: if i would use google contacts sync i would like to have all contacts from google available in my phone
Aug 29 15:01:13 <dos1> khiraly1: and about backend - no, clients don't have to worry about synchronization
Aug 29 15:01:30 <khiraly1> than apply the label to all your contacts. But dont think you really want to pollute with random email address your phonebook
Aug 29 15:01:31 <dos1> just store contact to Google-Contacts backend
Aug 29 15:01:43 <dos1> khiraly1: filtering!
Aug 29 15:01:46 <dos1> ;)
Aug 29 15:01:59 <dos1> if i don't want some contacts, i can filter them out
Aug 29 15:02:18 <khiraly1> I want some kind of separation. So I could manage them on the web too, and it gets synchronized with the phone
Aug 29 15:02:47 <khiraly1> I definietly want to put my phonebook into a separate group
Aug 29 15:02:56 <dos1> khiraly1: so?
Aug 29 15:02:56 <khiraly1> Its a musthave (at least for me)
Aug 29 15:03:06 <dos1> that's why configuration exists
Aug 29 15:03:09 <dos1> :P
Aug 29 15:03:34 <dos1> and synchronization can be done easly by backend
Aug 29 15:03:52 <dos1> gui don't have to (even more - it can't, as it's layer violating!) manage synchronization
Aug 29 15:04:48 <khiraly1> I would like to see some user confirmation, like: "On the web your contacts has been modified. There are 3 modified contacts, and 2 new, 1 deleted. Do you want to synchronize it? [Yes] [No] [Show me all the details]"
Aug 29 15:05:37 <dos1> that's dumb :x
Aug 29 15:06:08 <khiraly1> maybe
Aug 29 15:06:16 <dos1> (for me)
Aug 29 15:07:05 <dos1> well, if i'm removing contact from Google-Calendar backend, then i'm removing contact from Google Calendar on next synchronization
Aug 29 15:07:31 <dos1> and kind of synchronization have to exist ONLY because of fact, that you're not online anytime
Aug 29 15:07:46 <dos1> do you understand me? ;)
Aug 29 15:07:55 <khiraly1> makes sense...
Aug 29 15:08:19 <khiraly1> however autoapplying an openmoko label is a musthave. Not configuration issue.;)
Aug 29 15:08:38 <khiraly1> if you want all your contacts, then you will have a label plus
Aug 29 15:08:41 <khiraly1> its not a big deal
Aug 29 15:08:44 <khiraly1> (I think)
Aug 29 15:09:13 <dos1> just don't think about it as "synchronization with google contacts", but as "using google contacts as data source"
Aug 29 15:09:14 <khiraly1> there is also an auto label named: 'All contacts'
Aug 29 15:09:33 <khiraly1> yeah, but I also want all my contacts in a file
Aug 29 15:10:32 <dos1> khiraly1: well, due to fact you're not online everytime, they have to be stored somewhere on phone ;)
Aug 29 15:10:45 <khiraly1> true
Aug 29 15:11:22 <dos1> so now i have two choices how to do that technically
Aug 29 15:12:04 <dos1> using "meta-backend" - so it uses data from all other backends and sends them to google contact (and vice versa)
Aug 29 15:12:50 <dos1> or using typical backend, so you can decide if you want to store contact only on phone or in google contacts
Aug 29 15:13:17 <dos1> but typical backend needs also some kind of cache, as we want to be able to use it when offline
Aug 29 15:14:15 <dos1> i like more "typical backend" approach
Aug 29 15:25:25 <khiraly1> is google contacts are not compatible with your backend?
Aug 29 15:25:37 <khiraly1> do you have some fields which is not supported by google-contacts, or what?
Aug 29 15:26:40 <Toaster`> TAsn: ping?
Aug 29 15:28:08 <Toaster`> DocScrutinizer: you around?
Aug 29 15:30:11 <dos1> khiraly1: hmm?
Aug 29 15:30:18 <dos1> khiraly1: i don't get you
Aug 29 15:30:36 <khiraly1> why google-contacts (field-wise) needs some extra treatement
Aug 29 15:31:05 <dos1> khiraly1: field wise?
Aug 29 15:31:17 <khiraly1> name, phonenumber, groups, 
Aug 29 15:31:41 <dos1> khiraly1: but what's the question?
Aug 29 15:31:47 <khiraly1> is your contacts has some special field (my_dogs_name), which google contacts not?
Aug 29 15:32:08 <khiraly1> I do not really understand the difference between meta-backend and typical backend
Aug 29 15:32:09 <dos1> khiraly1: in opimd you can have whatever field you want?
Aug 29 15:32:17 <dos1> s/?//
Aug 29 15:32:17 <bzzbot> dos1 meant: khiraly1: in opimd you can have whatever field you want
Aug 29 15:33:12 <dos1> well, that means you don't understand basic opimd infrastructure :P
Aug 29 15:34:17 <khiraly1> yepp
Aug 29 15:34:52 <khiraly1> im not in opimd yet. If you implement (or begin to implement) google's calender support, im in ;)
Aug 29 15:35:25 <dos1> well, not using opimd is reason why i don't use paroli and core shr apps
Aug 29 15:36:05 <dos1> and when shr core apps will learn about how to use opimd, it'll make paroli sucking :P
Aug 29 15:36:11 <khiraly1> because now, I fail to see any advantage of opimd in my usecase. I save my contacts, its saved, I can see in the phonebook. What else should I care? 
Aug 29 15:36:52 <Toaster`> hey dos1, there was some talk a couple weeks ago about expansions of some of the modules that I was working on for shr-settings.  TAsn e-mailed me about it, but is there anywhere with more explaination of the details?  I was just sent a irc dump.
Aug 29 15:37:07 <khiraly1> maybe opimd is technically superiour, but its just "under the hook"
Aug 29 15:37:08 <khiraly1> ;)
Aug 29 15:37:26 <khiraly1> but if there is an google calendar support, you sold opimd to me immediatly. ;)
Aug 29 15:37:35 <khiraly1> doh. contact
Aug 29 15:38:12 <khiraly1> (but dont get me wrong. Im not opposed to opimd at all. Just I (myself) do not really want to invest time, if I do not see the advantage of using it;))
Aug 29 15:38:29 <khiraly1> invest time == implement it in paroli
Aug 29 15:38:44 <khiraly1> when there are so many bugs in paroli, which needs to be fixed first
Aug 29 15:39:00 <dos1> khiraly1: implementing custom contact storage was mistake in paroli
Aug 29 15:39:13 <dos1> in my opinion
Aug 29 15:39:15 <khiraly1> it was not custom at all
Aug 29 15:39:26 <khiraly1> we/they began with .ini structure
Aug 29 15:39:42 <khiraly1> but it had a serious speed issue when loading
Aug 29 15:39:57 <dos1> khiraly1: it's custom
Aug 29 15:39:59 <khiraly1> so we switched to *standard* python pickle format which is binary. 
Aug 29 15:40:05 <dos1> even if with ini or python pickle
Aug 29 15:40:07 <dos1> it's custom
Aug 29 15:40:14 <khiraly1> opimd is custom too;)
Aug 29 15:40:27 <dos1> khiraly1: not custom if we look at FSO
Aug 29 15:40:40 <dos1> it's part of fso
Aug 29 15:40:48 <khiraly1> ok, but when it was implemented in paroli, opimd didnt existed
Aug 29 15:40:51 <dos1> khiraly1: and about advantages
Aug 29 15:41:29 <khiraly1> so now the question is not implement it custom way or use opimd. The question now is: its worth the time to *reimplement* stuff using opimd?
Aug 29 15:41:33 <dos1> khiraly1: don't you think handling CSM messages, storing messages outside SIM, having led indication for missed calls and messages, and handling phonelog for free aren't good advantages?
Aug 29 15:42:00 <khiraly1> dunno what csm messages
Aug 29 15:42:05 <dos1> concatenated short messages
Aug 29 15:42:13 <khiraly1> but the others are *working* in paroli
Aug 29 15:42:28 <dos1> khiraly1: that's baaaad
Aug 29 15:42:38 <khiraly1> for concatenated short message I dont really care. Because it is displayed, just need to open each part of it
Aug 29 15:43:13 <khiraly1> But I believe opimd is superior approach. Really.
Aug 29 15:43:33 <dos1> khiraly1: yup. but i think implementing everything you mentioned directly in paroli was mistake
Aug 29 15:43:35 <khiraly1> Just you cant sell to me without a significant usecase (not technical) advantage;)
Aug 29 15:43:38 <dos1> and wasted efforts and time
Aug 29 15:43:51 <dos1> opimd existed long before paroli
Aug 29 15:43:56 <khiraly1> yepp but already done. And reimplementing in opimd is another "waste"
Aug 29 15:44:12 <dos1> just few things needed to be fixed and implemented
Aug 29 15:44:35 <dos1> and i did that. unknown, 17 years old guy with poor python knowledge.
Aug 29 15:45:03 <dos1> so i can't believe paroli developers couldn't do that
Aug 29 15:45:14 <dos1> and help everyone
Aug 29 15:45:24 <argiris> paroli is python based like zhone?
Aug 29 15:45:30 <khiraly1> hmm, paroli's implementation is plain simple
Aug 29 15:45:33 <khiraly1> argiris: yes
Aug 29 15:45:54 <khiraly1> dos1: it dumps out python object to file, and read it from
Aug 29 15:45:58 <khiraly1> no magic involved
Aug 29 15:46:28 <dos1> khiraly1: using opimd also isn't magic. porting pyphonelog to using opimd interface was 1-hour job
Aug 29 15:46:45 <khiraly1> dos1: you are welcome to it for paroli;-P
Aug 29 15:47:10 <khiraly1> or implement an awesome feature to convince me to do it. (like google contacts support;-D)
Aug 29 15:47:24 <dos1> khiraly1: nooo, i like open source and free software, but not as much to let me writing something i won't use ;P
Aug 29 15:47:28 <dos1> as i won't use paroli anyway
Aug 29 15:47:28 <argiris> phone app shouldn't be a native binary app for faster response???
Aug 29 15:48:13 <khiraly1> argiris: it depends. If every phone app is independent and need to be launched whenever you access it, it is not faster at all
Aug 29 15:48:34 <khiraly1> argiris: and for gui it uses efl library
Aug 29 15:48:47 <khiraly1> argiris: but try it out, and decide yourself
Aug 29 15:48:49 <dos1> efl libraries*
Aug 29 15:49:01 <dos1> there is no such thing as efl library ;P
Aug 29 15:49:20 <khiraly1> yepp
Aug 29 15:51:17 <dos1> my opinion is simple: i have biiig sorrow (i hope i used dictionary correctly :P) to paroli developers. opimd is something we really needed much earlier and paroli devs could help community to make dreams true
Aug 29 15:52:29 <khiraly1> i have biiig sorrow (i hope i used dictionary correctly :P)  <-- lol. I need a dict for it too
Aug 29 15:52:29 <khiraly1> ;)
Aug 29 15:53:04 <dos1> instead of that we got lots of strange incompatible implementations, and migrating personal data between FSO apps (which should be compatible by design) is almost imposible
Aug 29 15:53:34 <dos1> and i'm *the only* person working on opimd!
Aug 29 15:53:39 <dos1> it's really sad
Aug 29 15:53:46 <Toaster`> dos1: "I have big sorrow to" ~= "I empathize with the" maybe?
Aug 29 15:54:06 <dos1> well, Heinervdm helped me with sqlite backend
Aug 29 15:54:13 <khiraly1> paroli does not need opimd, as shr apps needs it. In paroli every phone apps is just a "subapp" inside, so they can share python variable (thats the biggest advantage of using tichy and one python instance). 
Aug 29 15:54:28 <dos1> but noone else...
Aug 29 15:54:38 <dos1> khiraly1: BAD POINT :/
Aug 29 15:54:59 <dos1> khiraly1: so how other, non-paroli app can access paroli database, being also compatible with shr?
Aug 29 15:55:23 <khiraly1> so contacts is accessible from every paroli application. And opimd is JUST a storage media. And for storage pickle is like a 2 hour job, I bet less time then implementing *ready made* opimd now.
Aug 29 15:55:40 <dos1> FSO wasn't created to say to developers "implement reading from milions of contact databases from different FSO apps"
Aug 29 15:56:26 <dos1> FSO was created to collaborate and share data!
Aug 29 15:56:29 <khiraly1> (17.53.34) dos1: and i'm *the only* person working on opimd! <-- Im the only one who touch paroli now too;-\
Aug 29 15:56:40 <dos1> khiraly1: that's sad :/
Aug 29 15:56:59 <dos1> everyone uses (or everyone complains it's not usable), but noone work on it
Aug 29 15:57:17 <dos1> i'm disliking more openmoko community every day
Aug 29 15:57:25 <khiraly1> yepp.
Aug 29 15:58:08 <khiraly1> but lets face it: if you use shr phone apps you dont want to synchronize with paroli on every day usage, if you use paroli, you dont want to synchronize with shr apps
Aug 29 15:58:26 <dos1> khiraly1: hmm? i have exactly opposite feeling
Aug 29 15:58:38 <dos1> khiraly1: i'm using SHR apps, and i'm swithing to Paroli some day
Aug 29 15:58:51 <dos1> khiraly1: and i would like to just have the same data in paroli, as i had in shr
Aug 29 15:58:58 <dos1> without any synchronizing, copying or importing
Aug 29 15:59:05 <dos1> i had my girlfriend phone in shr
Aug 29 15:59:26 <dos1> so i want to be able to phone her from paroli, without running shr contacts list and copying her number
Aug 29 15:59:38 <dos1> (well, i remember phone to my gf, but that's just example ;))
Aug 29 16:00:23 <argiris> both apps have errors for not making it usable or have "missing features"
Aug 29 16:00:42 <dos1> Toaster`: isn't empathise possitive?
Aug 29 16:00:55 <dos1> Toaster`: i have rather negative feelings due to things i mentioned :(
Aug 29 16:01:07 <Toaster`> dos1: not always, just that you understand/share emotions with
Aug 29 16:01:17 <dos1> Toaster`: so no, that's not what i mean
Aug 29 16:01:26 <dos1> i have bad feelings for paroli devs due to that
Aug 29 16:01:31 <dos1> that's what i mean ;)
Aug 29 16:01:40 <Toaster`> ahh ok.  
Aug 29 16:01:41 <khiraly1> (17.58.38) dos1: khiraly1: i'm using SHR apps, and i'm swithing to Paroli some day <-- thats a good news
Aug 29 16:01:47 <dos1> (but not as bad to hate them, don't worry)
Aug 29 16:01:47 <Toaster`> translation is a tricky thing :)
Aug 29 16:02:05 <dos1> khiraly1: ...to test and back to SHR second day :DDD
Aug 29 16:02:08 <dos1> ;)
Aug 29 16:02:18 <dos1> well, that was just example
Aug 29 16:02:31 <dos1> and about opimd: i can understand FSO coreteam
Aug 29 16:02:36 <khiraly1> for testing for one day, no need for contacts synchronization
Aug 29 16:02:37 <khiraly1> ;)
Aug 29 16:03:14 <dos1> they don't have unlimited time, and they mantain really amaizing software. opimd is only part of fso, they do other, more important parts
Aug 29 16:03:43 <dos1> but i can't understand community, complaining and waiting for opimd...
Aug 29 16:03:59 <dos1> and when i did opimd, then interested developers are less than 10 ;/
Aug 29 16:04:14 <dos1> something about 5 people
Aug 29 16:04:40 <khiraly1> ;)
Aug 29 16:04:41 <dos1> mrmoku, c_c, that shr-today guy and litephone author
Aug 29 16:04:51 <dos1> so 5 including me
Aug 29 16:04:54 <khiraly1> Im interested. 
Aug 29 16:04:56 <dos1> khiraly1: don't get me started! ;)
Aug 29 16:05:06 <dos1> (about "for testing for one day, no need for contacts synchronization" :P)
Aug 29 16:07:31 <dos1> when abraxa left FSO, mickeyl did few fixed for opimd to let it at last running as frameworkd part
Aug 29 16:07:37 <dos1> and then i started to work at opimd
Aug 29 16:07:55 <dos1> and since i did that, noone else worked on opimd itself
Aug 29 16:08:04 <dos1> (except Heinervdm)
Aug 29 16:08:11 <khiraly1> seems familiar situation
Aug 29 16:08:56 <dos1> that's really sad, annoying and destructing any motivation...
Aug 29 16:09:44 <dos1> at least with shr-settings situation is much better :P
Aug 29 16:10:28 <dos1> khiraly1: due to lack of opimd supporting apps i had to write my own test GUI to just check how opimd behaves in real life!
Aug 29 16:10:30 <Toaster`> hey!  I'm back now!  I was away for a bit though :)
Aug 29 16:10:41 <dos1> Toaster`: ;)
Aug 29 16:11:04 <dos1> Toaster`: about shr-settings -> i think Ainulindale and TAsn wanted some changes in backup module
Aug 29 16:11:22 <dos1> having directories with lists of files to archive instead of one big list
Aug 29 16:11:22 <Toaster`> dos1: side note, did I tell you my FR made it to the top of Mount Fuji with me? I forgot to get a photo though
Aug 29 16:11:38 <dos1> :)
Aug 29 16:11:47 <khiraly1> Toaster`: because it lack a camera>;-D
Aug 29 16:11:48 <Toaster`> ok, so a more incremental config setup?
Aug 29 16:11:55 <Toaster`> heh
Aug 29 16:13:19 <dos1> Toaster`: and you could think about quite different implementation of blacklisting
Aug 29 16:13:25 <dos1> Toaster`: now, when i have ~/ in whitelist
Aug 29 16:13:30 <dos1> Toaster`: and ~/Maps in blacklist
Aug 29 16:13:46 <dos1> Toaster`: it iterates by every file in Maps directory (which takes lot of time)
Aug 29 16:13:53 <dos1> Toaster`: just to remove it later, which also takes time
Aug 29 16:13:58 <dos1> ;)
Aug 29 16:14:05 <Toaster`> yeah, I have the whitelist having priority I think... 
Aug 29 16:14:19 <dos1> hmm?
Aug 29 16:14:20 <khiraly1> dos1: ok, if you are at implementing google contacts, I will try to contribute, test and incorporate opimd.
Aug 29 16:14:52 <dos1> khiraly1: you could even now start to implement opimd in paroli
Aug 29 16:15:10 <dos1> khiraly1: when google contacts support will come to opimd, it will be supported automatically in paroli then :P
Aug 29 16:15:16 <khiraly1> why, you start implementing google contacts today?;)
Aug 29 16:15:21 <Toaster`> dos1: I'll look into it, though there will be situation where priority has to be gived to one list or another...
Aug 29 16:15:36 <khiraly1> i have many secret projects here, which needs time too
Aug 29 16:16:03 <dos1> khiraly1: i think i'll be written soon :P
Aug 29 16:16:30 <khiraly1> hmm, I need to hurry up then
Aug 29 16:16:43 <khiraly1> want to finish my dictionary app for my gf before
Aug 29 16:22:32 <khiraly1> (17.51.17) dos1: my opinion is simple: i have biiig sorrow (i hope i used dictionary correctly :P) to paroli developers. opimd is something we really needed much earlier and paroli devs could help community to make dreams true
Aug 29 16:22:46 <khiraly1> btw, paroli was always a one man project....
Aug 29 16:22:52 <Zorkman> dos1: I upgraded shr-unstable today, and now gsm doesn't work anymore
Aug 29 16:23:00 <khiraly1> three developers for a short time ...
Aug 29 16:23:36 <farhaven> Zorkman: try switching from fsousage to ousaged
Aug 29 16:23:47 <farhaven> did the trick for me, fsousage seems to be a little but unstable atm
Aug 29 16:23:58 <dos1> farhaven: bad
Aug 29 16:24:07 <farhaven> well, osuaged never failed me :)
Aug 29 16:24:10 <Zorkman> hmmm; do you suggest something better dos1?
Aug 29 16:24:16 <farhaven> fsousage decided to take the day off yesterday
Aug 29 16:24:50 <dos1> farhaven: ousaged can silently break whole frameworkd in some situations
Aug 29 16:24:58 <dos1> race-conditions
Aug 29 16:25:03 <farhaven> which is has yet to do for me :P
Aug 29 16:25:18 <farhaven> anyway, i'm going into an alcohol induced coma now
Aug 29 16:25:21 <farhaven> good night everyone :)
Aug 29 16:25:24 <dos1> Zorkman: just check configs and all libraries. fsousaged should work now
Aug 29 16:25:36 <dos1> there were temporialy few bugs in code
Aug 29 16:25:41 <dos1> but only for one, two days
Aug 29 16:25:54 <dos1> they all are fixed now
Aug 29 16:26:06 <Zorkman> dos1: I upgraded an hour ago...
Aug 29 16:26:23 <dos1> Zorkman: do whay i said
Aug 29 16:26:30 <dos1> check config and all depending libraries
Aug 29 16:26:41 <dos1> there are some troubles with opkg...
Aug 29 16:27:43 <dos1> sometimes libfsoframework0 or libfsotransport0 (i don't remember which one) isn't installed (but it's in package dependences)
Aug 29 16:27:56 <dos1> we don't know yet when and why
Aug 29 16:28:18 <dos1> and of course you need latest frameworkd.conf
Aug 29 16:28:25 <dos1> with old it won't work
Aug 29 16:40:24 <khiraly1> dos1: i have patched enlightenment, is it possible to have it asap in shr?
Aug 29 16:40:54 <khiraly1> it implements python bindings for part_box_add_items, or the like, which is essential for my combobox implementation
Aug 29 16:41:22 <khiraly1> dunno when its made into the official enlightenment svn
Aug 29 16:49:48 <khiraly1> dos1: btw I agree, migrating over opimd also means I can get people easily migrating from shr phone apps to paroli;-D
Aug 29 16:52:49 <Toaster`> dos1: is there way to launch the wrench on my desktop via X-forwarding?
Aug 29 16:53:05 <Toaster`> that is, do you know the command that the wrench calls?
Aug 29 16:55:01 <BluesLee> hi, how do i play supertux which is added to the feed?
Aug 29 16:55:55 <dos1> BluesLee: i have bash script which switches screen to 320x240, runs supertux and switches usb to host mode, so i can play with keyboard :D
Aug 29 16:57:03 <BluesLee> with external kbd ... hmmm
Aug 29 16:57:58 <BluesLee> i see two supertux icons on the desktop 
Aug 29 16:58:29 <BluesLee> the problem is that i cant kill it without ssh to the device
Aug 29 16:59:05 <BluesLee> normally i can press the power button and close an app from there
Aug 29 16:59:08 <dos1> but you can quit from it by using keyboard :P
Aug 29 16:59:22 <BluesLee> hehe :-)
Aug 29 17:00:14 <BluesLee> my hope was that someone modified it so that we can use it like in the vba emu
Aug 29 17:01:21 <BluesLee> or that there is some kind of literki gamepad which one can use
Aug 29 17:01:42 <BluesLee> the latter would be nicer
Aug 29 17:03:19 <dos1> BluesLee: go left/right - accels, jump/shot - touchscreen
Aug 29 17:03:24 <dos1> ;)
Aug 29 17:03:30 <dos1> BluesLee: that's why i would like
Aug 29 17:04:46 <BluesLee> accels arent necessary
Aug 29 17:05:23 <BluesLee> i am not sure but i think literky can do a good job as a gamepad replacement
Aug 29 17:05:26 <dos1> they are
Aug 29 17:05:32 <dos1> we don't have multitouch
Aug 29 17:05:38 <Toaster`> Does anyone know the command that the wrench calls?
Aug 29 17:06:03 <dos1> Toaster`: i don't think there is any
Aug 29 17:06:08 <Toaster`> or how to edit e config over ssh?
Aug 29 17:06:12 <Toaster`> dos1: ahh, damn
Aug 29 17:06:37 <Toaster`> enlightenment_remote isn't running
Aug 29 17:08:52 <khiraly1> dos1: is enlightenment is autobuilt from svn?
Aug 29 17:09:02 <khiraly1> if so, I only need to make sure, my patch got into svn
Aug 29 17:09:18 <dos1> khiraly1: no, it has fixed revision
Aug 29 17:09:50 <BluesLee> dos1: vga was to slow for supertux?
Aug 29 17:10:12 <dos1> BluesLee: glamo? ;p
Aug 29 17:10:37 <khiraly1> dos1: so what to do? advertise newer svn, or prepare a patch for shr too?
Aug 29 17:10:45 <BluesLee> literki seems to be freely configurable
Aug 29 17:10:54 <dos1> khiraly1: i would like to see newer enlightenment soon
Aug 29 17:11:15 <dos1> BluesLee: using literki with supertux doesn't make sense
Aug 29 17:11:18 <khiraly1> sounds great to me too
Aug 29 17:11:29 <BluesLee> dos1: why?
Aug 29 17:11:33 <dos1> you need multitouch, sometimes even three buttons at once
Aug 29 17:11:51 <dos1> to run (ctrl + right arrow) and jump (space)
Aug 29 17:12:38 <BluesLee> hmm, what about key combos on a single key
Aug 29 17:13:18 <BluesLee> lets call it X=(ctrl + right arrow) and jump (space)
Aug 29 17:13:33 <BluesLee> Y=(ctrl + left arrow) and jump (space)
Aug 29 17:13:41 <BluesLee> is this possible?
Aug 29 17:14:10 <khiraly1> BluesLee: the flipper had fake-multitouch
Aug 29 17:14:29 <BluesLee> flipper?
Aug 29 17:14:47 <khiraly1> a game
Aug 29 17:14:55 <BluesLee> linball?
Aug 29 17:14:59 <khiraly1> yepp
Aug 29 17:15:03 <BluesLee> ahh
Aug 29 17:15:26 <BluesLee> i dont want to cook now
Aug 29 17:15:59 <dos1> khiraly1: as it was simple to do in flipper
Aug 29 17:15:59 <BluesLee> i hate peeling potatoes ...
Aug 29 17:16:12 <dos1> really simple
Aug 29 17:16:30 <khiraly1> Im just saying having two button on the screen is doable
Aug 29 17:16:39 <BluesLee> dos1: i am sure that you have great ideas concerning this, am i right?;-)
Aug 29 17:16:55 <dos1> BluesLee: conserning what? ;)
Aug 29 17:17:08 <dos1> i think using accels for walking could be nice.
Aug 29 17:17:09 <BluesLee> dos1: a gamepad for supertux;-)
Aug 29 17:17:35 <dos1> but only for walking
Aug 29 17:17:50 <dos1> jump - right part of screen
Aug 29 17:17:53 <dos1> shot - left part of screen
Aug 29 17:17:57 <BluesLee> okay
Aug 29 17:18:18 <dos1> and maybe something like multitouch in linball to being able to shot while jumping ;)
Aug 29 17:18:31 <BluesLee> to be honest i dont care, i played it to the end:-)
Aug 29 17:18:51 <dos1> accels are ok to supertux, as you can have only 3 states
Aug 29 17:19:00 <dos1> go left, stop, go right
Aug 29 17:19:02 <TeLLuS> Is this temporary? fatal: Unable to look up repo.or.cz (port 9418) (Name or service not known)
Aug 29 17:19:02 <dos1> ;)
Aug 29 17:19:15 <dos1> TeLLuS: ask repo.or.cz admins
Aug 29 17:19:32 <BluesLee> dos1: i will do an opkg upgrade after my backup is finished, coming from 21st of july
Aug 29 17:20:31 <BluesLee> dos1: by the way, i was once in poland
Aug 29 17:20:42 <dos1> BluesLee: i saw on openBmap :D
Aug 29 17:20:48 <dos1> (IIRC)
Aug 29 17:21:15 <BluesLee> dos1: no ... i was in bedlewo/pozna
Aug 29 17:21:20 <dos1> ah
Aug 29 17:21:25 <dos1> poznań?
Aug 29 17:21:29 <dos1> i live in poznań :)
Aug 29 17:21:36 <BluesLee> dos1: its really nice
Aug 29 17:22:04 <BluesLee> very nice city and a lot of students there
Aug 29 17:23:13 <BluesLee> there was a new mall which has won a price as far as i remember
Aug 29 17:24:18 <BluesLee> i visited the "bazar" and the university 
Aug 29 17:24:57 <BluesLee> dos1: what are you doing in poznan?
Aug 29 17:25:19 <dos1> BluesLee: i live, since i was born :D
Aug 29 17:25:30 <BluesLee> do you study there?
Aug 29 17:26:33 <TeLLuS> dos1: If not working on monday I will.
Aug 29 17:27:23 <dos1> BluesLee: no, not yet
Aug 29 17:27:43 <dos1> but probably i will. still 2 years remaining ;)
Aug 29 17:27:44 <BluesLee> dos1: okay
Aug 29 17:28:11 <BluesLee> what you will study?
Aug 29 17:28:48 <BluesLee> too much personal questions, i know
Aug 29 17:29:16 <BluesLee> i have to cook something otherwise i will die, hehe
Aug 29 17:29:50 <dos1> BluesLee: of course something IT related
Aug 29 17:31:11 <BluesLee> opkg upgrade is safe today?
Aug 29 17:31:15 <dos1> should be
Aug 29 17:31:19 <dos1> shr-today is in repo now
Aug 29 17:31:53 <BluesLee> but there is no new image or?
Aug 29 17:32:18 <WhiteField> Whats the main difference between A6 and  A7 ..except the GSM bug fix
Aug 29 17:32:19 <dos1> BluesLee: cause mrmoku is on vacations :D
Aug 29 17:32:30 <dos1> WhiteField: GSM buzz fix
Aug 29 17:32:32 <dos1> WhiteField: :P
Aug 29 17:32:41 <dos1> WhiteField: i don't think there are more main differences
Aug 29 17:32:48 <dos1> and i don't know about not-main
Aug 29 17:32:49 <dos1> ;)
Aug 29 17:32:59 <BluesLee> maybe the gps fix fix;-)
Aug 29 17:33:10 <WhiteField> whats tht gps fix
Aug 29 17:33:14 <dos1> BluesLee: no, it's between A5 and A6
Aug 29 17:33:16 <BluesLee> or was it introduced in a6?
Aug 29 17:33:19 <BluesLee> okay
Aug 29 17:33:39 <dos1> well. there are only 3 annoying hw bugs
Aug 29 17:33:54 <WhiteField> which one
Aug 29 17:33:54 <dos1> (in a5)
Aug 29 17:33:58 <dos1> in a6 - two
Aug 29 17:34:02 <dos1> and in a7 - one
Aug 29 17:34:14 <dos1> a5, a6, a7 - bouncing calypso
Aug 29 17:34:16 <BluesLee> what about #1024?
Aug 29 17:34:19 <BluesLee> okay
Aug 29 17:34:20 <WhiteField> which 2 bugs in A6
Aug 29 17:34:26 <dos1> a5, a6 - buzz fix
Aug 29 17:34:33 <dos1> a5 - power hungry AUX led
Aug 29 17:34:59 <dos1> someone else can also mention bass fix on jack
Aug 29 17:35:11 <WhiteField> dos1 : which 2 bugs in A6
Aug 29 17:35:19 <dos1> WhiteField: i already said ::P
Aug 29 17:35:35 <WhiteField> one is GSM ..whats the second one
Aug 29 17:35:47 <dos1> WhiteField: just read what i just wrote :P
Aug 29 17:36:19 <WhiteField> bouncing calypso ??
Aug 29 17:36:25 <dos1> bouncing calypso = #1024
Aug 29 17:36:33 <WhiteField> is this the second onw
Aug 29 17:37:25 <WhiteField> the cost difference is high b/w A6 and A7 ..
Aug 29 17:38:05 <Toaster`> dos1: I had the #1024 fix done.  And the batterly life gain are awesome.
Aug 29 17:38:14 <Toaster`> s/gain/gains/
Aug 29 17:38:15 <WhiteField> so i thought may be there might be some more changes in A7
Aug 29 17:38:15 <bzzbot> Toaster` meant: dos1: I had the #1024 fix done.  And the batterly life gains are awesome.
Aug 29 17:38:56 <dos1> Toaster`: ;)
Aug 29 17:39:08 <dos1> i have a5
Aug 29 17:39:31 <dos1> so i have all - hungry led, buzz and bouncing :P
Aug 29 17:39:51 <Q-Master> BTW, I have a problem with GPS and phonecalls. seems that that corrupts my uSD card
Aug 29 17:39:59 <Toaster`> I have an a5 as well.  #1024 and Buzz are fixed
Aug 29 17:40:24 <Toaster`> still need to tweak the alsa.state files though
Aug 29 17:42:39 <WhiteField> i think the call volume is less in A6
Aug 29 17:44:06 <dos1> WhiteField: no, call volume is less in a7, due to buzz fix
Aug 29 17:45:43 <WhiteField> please suggest me ..which one to buy A6 with GSM fix or A7
Aug 29 17:46:22 <Toaster`> dos1: Which hardware revision are the files in /usr/share/shr/scenarii/ based on?
Aug 29 17:46:30 <dos1> WhiteField: as you want
Aug 29 17:46:36 <dos1> WhiteField: i would just buy cheaper one :P
Aug 29 17:47:48 <WhiteField> does the Alarm application works fine now
Aug 29 17:50:51 <WhiteField> dos1 : Which image u r using
Aug 29 17:50:58 <dos1> shr-unstable
Aug 29 17:51:27 <WhiteField> have u tried  GTA01 on Qemu
Aug 29 17:51:58 <lindi-> WhiteField: there's hardly any point in that
Aug 29 17:53:08 <dos1> WhiteField: i tried. about 1,5 years ago ;P
Aug 29 17:53:08 <WhiteField> actually i tried running Android with Qemu ..but it fails because the uImage size > 2MB
Aug 29 17:54:01 <WhiteField> can we set uImage size in Uboot 
Aug 29 18:00:09 <mrmoku> khiraly1, I think we will bump the EFL SRCREV real soon
Aug 29 18:00:16 <mrmoku> good time to get you patch in upstream :)
Aug 29 18:00:20 <mrmoku> +r
Aug 29 18:01:52 <mrmoku> (real soon might be when I come back from my vacations though... which is around 9/9)
Aug 29 18:04:48 <Toaster`> mrmoku: does that EFL SRCREV have a fixed illume landscape kbd?
Aug 29 18:05:05 <Toaster`> Or is that something were going to find out? :)
Aug 29 18:06:32 <mrmoku> Toaster`, no idea
Aug 29 18:06:44 <mrmoku> Toaster`, I would tend to say no :(
Aug 29 18:06:49 <mrmoku> but that is just a feeling
Aug 29 18:06:53 <Toaster`> awesome... :(
Aug 29 18:11:35 <dos1> Toaster`: that's not critical bug, you can workaround it easly
Aug 29 18:11:56 <Toaster`> dos1: oh?
Aug 29 18:12:05 <dos1> just restart keyboard
Aug 29 18:12:25 <dos1> either from wrench -> keyboard -> none and then back to illume
Aug 29 18:12:32 <dos1> or by killall -HUP enlightenment
Aug 29 18:13:45 <mrmoku> dos1, do you know something about the midori problems?
Aug 29 18:14:23 <dos1> no, i even don't use midori
Aug 29 18:14:27 <dos1> links -g FTW ;)
Aug 29 18:14:55 * mrmoku installs links then ;)
Aug 29 18:15:28 <dos1> nice, my favourite song from some CD has exactly 256 seconds length :D
Aug 29 18:15:58 <penguinator> how does one build SHR these days? the makefile is having 404 issues
Aug 29 18:16:04 <mrmoku> dos1, if that's all your problems ;)
Aug 29 18:16:28 <mrmoku> penguinator, with what url?
Aug 29 18:16:31 <dos1> penguinator: that day*
Aug 29 18:16:38 <dos1> penguinator: repo.or.cz went down today
Aug 29 18:17:04 <penguinator> i tried it yesterday
Aug 29 18:17:27 <penguinator> http://build.shr-project.org/sources/git_github.com.felipec.msn-pecan.git.tar.gz
Aug 29 18:17:35 <penguinator> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/git_github.com.felipec.msn-pecan.git.tar.gzhttp://build.shr-project.org/sources/git_github.com.felipec.msn-pecan.git.tar.gz
Aug 29 18:17:39 <penguinator> all 404
Aug 29 18:18:34 <mrmoku> penguinator, 404 on angstrom is normal
Aug 29 18:18:42 <mrmoku> and for shr-project.org too
Aug 29 18:19:09 <penguinator> hmm
Aug 29 18:19:20 * mrmoku off for the sunset ;)
Aug 29 18:19:23 <penguinator> well i'm going to try it again, maybe the build was failing for another reason
Aug 29 18:19:23 <Toaster`> dos1: is there any way to restart the keyboard in the background?  enlightenment_remote seems to be lacking a control for it
Aug 29 19:22:31 <Sharwin_F> dos1, hmm the shr-today from the repos doesn't work on pressing AUX
Aug 29 19:22:52 <dos1> Sharwin_F: i sent bunch of patches for shr-today author
Aug 29 19:22:54 <dos1> ;)
Aug 29 19:23:00 <dos1> Sharwin_F: i fixed it too
Aug 29 19:23:33 <Sharwin_F> dos1, so will have to wait till he applies them?
Aug 29 19:23:40 <dos1> Sharwin_F: yup
Aug 29 19:25:18 <Sharwin_F> dos1, I see some of the patches (more space from the botton on the slider) have been applied already, how's that? 
Aug 29 19:28:22 <dos1> Sharwin_F: i sent him first patch when he was online, and he applied it
Aug 29 19:28:30 <dos1> i sent also more patches - later :P
Aug 29 19:28:54 <Sharwin_F> ok :P
Aug 29 19:33:22 <Sharwin_F> is Sqlite domain for messages working properly? I see the SIM one is activated by default
Aug 29 19:34:39 <dos1> Sharwin_F: yes, it is
Aug 29 19:34:50 <dos1> Sharwin_F: but you need opimd-aware apps to handle it ;P
Aug 29 19:35:19 <Sharwin_F> dos1, just installed opimd-utils, is it ok to enable sqlite backend then?
Aug 29 19:36:03 <Sharwin_F> as I see, opimd-messages can't send messages, will I be able to send sms using shr-messages? :P
Aug 29 19:37:59 <Sharwin_F> me stupid, I can send them via opimd-contacts :P
Aug 29 19:42:18 <dos1> Sharwin_F|dinner: you should also apply one patch
Aug 29 19:42:42 <dos1> Sharwin_F|dinner: it should be described at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opimd
Aug 29 19:42:52 <dos1> Sharwin_F|dinner: actual state is outdated, but instructions should be ok :P
Aug 29 20:01:28 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r7ce7d1bb0825 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: kill duplicates! We don't like them!
Aug 29 20:05:10 <TAsn> dos1, !
Aug 29 20:05:16 <TAsn> Just wanted to thank you again for the battery icon
Aug 29 20:05:21 <TAsn> just looked at it charging :)
Aug 29 20:05:27 <TAsn> AWESOME! :)
Aug 29 20:05:31 <dos1> :D
Aug 29 20:05:34 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm unfortunately off again ;(
Aug 29 20:05:46 <TAsn> I promise I'll return soon.
Aug 29 20:05:58 <TAsn> (soon = 2 wks or so)
Aug 29 20:06:04 <TAsn> I'm flooded with r/l crap :(
Aug 29 20:06:55 <dos1> TAsn: i have school starting in 3 days ;x
Aug 29 20:07:23 <TAsn> sucks :(
Aug 29 20:07:30 <TAsn> 1/9 ?
Aug 29 20:08:04 <dos1> yup
Aug 29 20:09:26 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r8cd9a5d17cc0 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: little design fixes
Aug 29 20:09:27 <TAsn> like my kid brother ;)
Aug 29 20:09:37 <dos1> nice :P
Aug 29 20:27:16 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r2ab8a92f3f7e 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_generic.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: Messages: backport last changes from GenericDomain
Aug 29 20:31:26 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r169c7e709736 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: fix deleting messages
Aug 29 20:34:08 <Sharwin_F|dinner> dos1,  (patch) I'll look into it, thanks
Aug 29 20:43:09 <Sharwin_F> dos1, are you planing to apply the patch soon?
Aug 29 20:43:23 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r3a9408f7e6d0 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: another attempt to fix deleting
Aug 29 20:43:40 <dos1> Sharwin_F: no
Aug 29 20:46:16 <Sharwin_F> are you waiting for opimd to be more mature before that?
Aug 29 20:46:46 <dos1> Sharwin_F: no
Aug 29 20:46:51 <dos1> Sharwin_F: i'm waiting for opimd based apps :P
Aug 29 20:49:40 <Sharwin_F> does applying that patch make SIM domain work wrongly? I don't see the point in not applying it, on the opposite case :P
Aug 29 20:52:05 <dos1> Sharwin_F: apply it
Aug 29 20:52:17 <dos1> Sharwin_F: i won't apply it upstream without accepting it by FSO folks
Aug 29 20:53:25 <Sharwin_F> ok, so that's point :)
Aug 29 20:53:55 <Sharwin_F> dos1, where can I find fso_triggers.py?
Aug 29 20:56:13 <dos1> Sharwin_F: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/
Aug 29 20:57:03 <Sharwin_F> thanks
Aug 29 20:57:16 <max_posedon> Weiss, hi!
Aug 29 20:57:38 <max_posedon> I'm going play with xf86-video-glamo, and try bring it to Gentoo
Aug 29 20:57:47 <max_posedon> so, may I ask few questions?
Aug 29 20:58:34 <max_posedon> in first is version of kernel patches, rebased for 2.6.31-rc5 present?
Aug 29 21:02:02 <Sharwin_F> dos1, done, now I have to set qlite-message backend as default and restart frameworkd, isn't it?
Aug 29 21:02:09 <dos1> Sharwin_F: yup
Aug 29 21:05:21 <Sharwin_F> dos1, I get an error in the terminal and no messages when running opimd-messages
Aug 29 21:06:37 <Sharwin_F> http://pastebin.com/m6b2f0a36
Aug 29 21:09:57 <dos1> Sharwin_F: that means you don't have messages :D
Aug 29 21:11:02 <Sharwin_F> dos1, tehn stupid question, can't I see the sms inside the SIM while having sqlite backend set as default?
Aug 29 21:11:19 <dos1> Sharwin_F: you should be able to see them
Aug 29 21:11:57 <Sharwin_F> dos1, you told me I didn't have messages xD (but I know I have inside the SIM, of course :P)
Aug 29 21:12:18 <dos1> check log
Aug 29 21:14:02 <dos1> Sharwin_F: and check if you have SIM-Messages-FSO backend enabled
Aug 29 21:14:14 <dos1> and if you entered PIN and sim is initialized ;)
Aug 29 21:14:19 <dos1> so you can see them in shr-messages
Aug 29 21:14:48 <Sharwin_F> yep just restarted to have a clean log, it has been running for some days now :P
Aug 29 21:15:39 <Sharwin_F> dos1,  ok, now works :D
Aug 29 21:16:35 <khiraly1> dos1: maybe you can help me out.;)
Aug 29 21:16:45 <khiraly1> this is the elementary sequence?:
Aug 29 21:16:51 <khiraly1> elementary.init()
Aug 29 21:17:08 <khiraly1> elementary.run()
Aug 29 21:17:26 <khiraly1> elementary.exit() # call this to quit from elementary.run()
Aug 29 21:17:31 <khiraly1> elementary.shutdown()
Aug 29 21:17:40 <khiraly1> am I missing something?
Aug 29 21:18:14 <dos1> hmm
Aug 29 21:18:17 <dos1> no, i don't think so
Aug 29 21:18:20 <dos1> khiraly1: why are you asking?
Aug 29 21:19:23 <khiraly1> I dont like how paroli do gui stuff. Its burried here and there... So I lacked an overview what exactly required for elementary
Aug 29 21:20:19 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r238c8979e313 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: start preparing for GenericDomain migration
Aug 29 21:24:35 <khiraly1> dos1: what is the autodeletion property of a window? When you click on the upper right x, it closes?
Aug 29 21:24:59 <dos1> khiraly1: yup
Aug 29 21:25:12 <khiraly1> Im looking at the elementary demo app, and it sets the autodel for the main window, but not for its childrens
Aug 29 21:25:30 <khiraly1> (so when you click on table demo, layout demo, buttons demo, etc)
Aug 29 22:57:40 <DocScrutinizer> mwester: heh, took a hollyday with bzzbot? ;-)
Aug 29 22:57:54 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
Aug 29 22:57:55 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer: aw, gee
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