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Aug 31 03:00:13 <blindcoder> good $timezone
Aug 31 03:23:53 * blindcoder likes opimd-notifier :D
Aug 31 08:35:37 <PaulFertser> Guys, i had another discussion with ofono and nokia guys. Can you please tell me wtf? Am I mad? Why don't they understand what i am talking about? read at the end of http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/ofono.txt
Aug 31 08:36:02 <PaulFertser> Also they say ofono will not be preinstalled there. 
Aug 31 08:36:20 <PaulFertser> And it will be serial (SSI) interface to the modem in N900.
Aug 31 08:36:25 <rhkfin> starting at Aug 31 07:27:40 ?
Aug 31 08:36:37 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: yes
Aug 31 08:37:15 <rhkfin> "proprietary stack, built on top of PhoNet"
Aug 31 08:37:31 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/ofono.txt
Aug 31 08:45:26 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: very interesting - can't understand.. btw do they know what's FSO...?
Aug 31 08:46:08 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: sure
Aug 31 08:52:05 <lindi-> PaulFertser: did you hear that I managed to make a call with a usb 3g stick?
Aug 31 08:52:14 <lindi-> PaulFertser: re '08:19:17 <iscape_b> are you planning to support one of the currently available 3G usb sticks? '
Aug 31 08:54:18 <farhaven> PaulFertser: oh god :)
Aug 31 08:54:29 <farhaven> one really sees the corporate culture behind their reasoning
Aug 31 08:54:55 <farhaven> "it's ours, we developed it and if we don't provide support for the source, customers will hate us"
Aug 31 08:54:59 <farhaven> or something the like
Aug 31 09:41:29 <PaulFertser> lindi-: voice calls? With sound routed over usb?
Aug 31 09:41:50 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r89b1b1d5138f 10/opimd-dates: opimd-dates: layout fixes
Aug 31 09:41:50 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r1e11c6dbd713 10/ (TODO opimd-dates): opimd-dates: more design fixes
Aug 31 09:41:51 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r0b1bfa5f03f6 10/ (TODO opimd-dates): opimd-dates: complete colision handling
Aug 31 09:43:24 <lindi-> PaulFertser: yes, yes
Aug 31 09:43:43 <lindi-> PaulFertser: there's an asterisk trunk module for it now
Aug 31 09:43:51 <lindi-> PaulFertser: written by some spanish guy
Aug 31 09:44:12 <PaulFertser> lindi-: what can i say. That's cool indeed :D
Aug 31 09:45:45 <lindi-> PaulFertser: yes, my evil plan includes  huawei usb 3g stick  + AVR microcontroller + cheap usb battery + keypad + one-line display + headset connector...
Aug 31 09:47:04 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i remember, yes :D
Aug 31 09:47:08 <rhkfin> .. which becomes a phone :)
Aug 31 10:00:34 <Heinervdm> dos1: what did you change in dates? because i can't merge your changes...
Aug 31 10:00:41 <dos1> oh
Aug 31 10:01:02 <dos1> well, i fixed entries - title field is now usable :P
Aug 31 10:01:06 <dos1> and colisions
Aug 31 10:01:17 <PaulFertser> dos1: hey, ready for another q-master rant?
Aug 31 10:01:19 <Heinervdm> ok, i changes entries too :D
Aug 31 10:01:23 <dos1> :)
Aug 31 10:02:00 <PaulFertser> dos1: he says it'd be _very_ nice to show surname in opimd-contacts
Aug 31 10:02:13 <PaulFertser> dos1: and sort accordingly
Aug 31 10:03:18 <dos1> opimd-contacts displays ALL fields
Aug 31 10:04:01 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: btw, what is the motivation behind introducing rfkill subsystem at all?
Aug 31 10:04:26 <PaulFertser> dos1: as conveniently as name?
Aug 31 10:04:53 <lindi-> wpwrak: '< wpwrak> lindi-: maybe check PWREN to see if it returned to suspend.' does not seem to be very easy :)
Aug 31 10:11:44 <lindi-> PaulFertser: how do I figure out the physical dimensions of the component C1009?
Aug 31 10:12:34 <PaulFertser> lindi-: it's 0805
Aug 31 10:12:44 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: you asked how to realize the selection from existing fieldnames later on. look at the addressfield of your browser, and its history/autocompletion
Aug 31 10:12:45 <lindi-> PaulFertser: yes but how would i look it up?
Aug 31 10:12:49 <PaulFertser> lindi-: see http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024
Aug 31 10:13:02 <PaulFertser> lindi-: what do you mean by "look it up"?
Aug 31 10:13:02 <lindi-> PaulFertser: ok in this specific case yes but how about the general case?
Aug 31 10:13:14 <PaulFertser> lindi-: BOM aka bill of materials
Aug 31 10:13:21 <lindi-> PaulFertser: ah, is that somewhere?
Aug 31 10:13:30 <PaulFertser> lindi-: DocScrutinizer has some of that, not publicly accessible.
Aug 31 10:13:42 <lindi-> ok so I can't look it up
Aug 31 10:14:09 <DocScrutinizer> don't shock me ;-)
Aug 31 10:14:43 <Ainulindale> rhkfin: there?
Aug 31 10:14:50 <rhkfin> Ainulindale: pong
Aug 31 10:16:28 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: morning Joerg :D
Aug 31 10:16:47 <DocScrutinizer> moooorning
Aug 31 10:19:18 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * rc32c872772f3 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/ (Makefile.am opimd-dates.png): shr-theme: add opimd-dates
Aug 31 10:23:25 <CIA-53> SHR: 03hersche 07shr-settings * rbc9e09fbb95c 10/data/po/de/ (shr-settings.mo shr-settings.po): [po] update german translation
Aug 31 10:24:20 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: any chance that those could be published?
Aug 31 10:24:47 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: ... wait and see
Aug 31 10:26:41 <DocScrutinizer> I don't see any particularly secret info in those
Aug 31 10:35:26 <TeLLuS> dos1: I just tried to change to library=libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2.so.0 to see what happened.    Can you make out something from this? http://87.227.108.179/neo/oerr1.txt
Aug 31 10:35:55 <dos1> TeLLuS: yes - you shouldn't use it ;)
Aug 31 10:36:23 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: s/wait//
Aug 31 10:38:32 <lindi-> PaulFertser: seems I have only 10mm x 6mm uF capacitor
Aug 31 10:38:36 <lindi-> PaulFertser: is that too large?
Aug 31 10:38:42 <PaulFertser> lindi-: for 1024 fix?
Aug 31 10:38:43 <lindi-> PaulFertser: seems I have only 10mm x 6mm 10uF capacitor
Aug 31 10:38:45 <TeLLuS> dos1: Next if you look at http://scap.linuxtogo.org id#3155 you can see that contacts only display forename.  Freature request would be to also display surename in the list..
Aug 31 10:38:45 <lindi-> PaulFertser: yes
Aug 31 10:38:55 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i'm afraid yes.
Aug 31 10:39:02 * [Rui] waves
Aug 31 10:39:09 <lindi-> PaulFertser: label says "10 6 // 20K // 101"
Aug 31 10:39:54 <lindi-> PaulFertser: next time please ship all new phones with a pair of extra capacitors :-)
Aug 31 10:39:55 <dos1> ~opimd-utils
Aug 31 10:39:55 <bzzbot> methinks opimd-utils is not phone suite, it's only set of test scripts for developers. You can use it as phone apps, but without any warranty. Many things are not implemented, *AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE*.
Aug 31 10:40:01 <dos1> so no feature requests :P
Aug 31 10:40:22 <dos1> (but i'll do displaying surename in list. dunno about sorting)
Aug 31 10:43:03 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: the idea was to use it as the main mechanism for powering down wlan
Aug 31 10:44:09 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: i'm asking about the idea behind the whole subsystem itself.
Aug 31 10:44:13 <Heinervdm> dos1: getDbusObject (bus, "org.freesmartphone.opimd", "/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Dates/6","org.freesmartphone.PIM.DateQuery") how do i get the result from this?
Aug 31 10:44:51 <dos1> for i in range(0, thatobject.GetResultCount()): thatobject.GetResult()
Aug 31 10:44:52 <dos1> or
Aug 31 10:45:13 <dos1> results = thatobject.GetMultipleResults(thatobject.GetResultCount())
Aug 31 10:45:19 <Heinervdm> i want the object 6 and just that
Aug 31 10:45:36 <dos1> oh, so not DateQuery
Aug 31 10:45:41 <Heinervdm> perhaps .DateQuery is wrong and i need .Dates
Aug 31 10:45:48 <dos1> entry = getDbusObject (bus, "org.freesmartphone.opimd", "/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Dates/6","org.freesmartphone.PIM.Date")
Aug 31 10:45:53 <dos1> entry.GetContent()
Aug 31 10:46:51 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: ah ... "airplane mode" basically. control all the rf-off hardware
Aug 31 10:46:56 <TeLLuS> dos1: ok, FYI long emailadresses for contacts cause the right justified text under the picture to be placed far outside to the right of the screen. It can be seen by scrolling right to see phone numbers, organisation and surename.
Aug 31 10:47:00 <wpwrak> (or equivalent functionality)
Aug 31 10:47:19 <dos1> i know
Aug 31 10:47:20 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: airplane mode is bullshit, it's no good reasoning for the whole kernel subsystem.
Aug 31 10:47:37 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: hey
Aug 31 10:47:56 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: well, a lot of rf systems have a "kill switch". so that's the infrastructure to support it
Aug 31 10:48:15 <Heinervdm> dos1: DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "GetContent" with signature "" on interface "org.freesmartphone.PIM.Dates" doesn't exist
Aug 31 10:48:34 <dos1> Heinervdm: hmm... i wrote it from memory, checking it now
Aug 31 10:48:57 <lindi-> wpwrak: you just need to remove battery from openmoko in airplane anyway, i wouldn't trust current software to keep transmitters off :)
Aug 31 10:49:06 <dos1> Heinervdm: your fault :P
Aug 31 10:49:11 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: ok
Aug 31 10:49:12 <dos1> [12:45] <dos1> entry = getDbusObject (bus, "org.freesmartphone.opimd", "/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Dates/6","org.freesmartphone.PIM.Date")
Aug 31 10:49:13 <dos1> [12:45] <dos1> entry.GetContent()
Aug 31 10:49:19 <dos1> .Date, not .Dates
Aug 31 10:49:24 <Heinervdm> :D
Aug 31 10:49:26 <Heinervdm> ups
Aug 31 10:49:28 <lindi-> PaulFertser: what is this "low-ESR" exactly?
Aug 31 10:49:33 <PaulFertser> lindi-: openmoko can't hurt airplane even if you're determined to do that.
Aug 31 10:49:44 <PaulFertser> lindi-: basically any ceramic
Aug 31 10:49:50 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: I wouldn't trust airplaine restrictions ;-)
Aug 31 10:50:11 <lindi-> PaulFertser: not airplane per se but ground networks might not like such a high and fast moving phone
Aug 31 10:50:37 <DocScrutinizer> nananana, even ceram has considerable ESR sometimes
Aug 31 10:50:39 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i know but it's a non-issue i beleive. 
Aug 31 10:50:50 <Heinervdm> dos1: same error :(
Aug 31 10:50:52 <dos1> hacking airplanes with mokos?
Aug 31 10:50:58 <dos1> ;)
Aug 31 10:51:15 <lindi-> PaulFertser: well the flight attendants don't like it if I tell them it'll be sending data over gsm transmitter
Aug 31 10:51:25 <dos1> Heinervdm: PIM/Date/6
Aug 31 10:51:27 <dos1> :P
Aug 31 10:51:36 <dos1> now my fault :D
Aug 31 10:51:39 <PaulFertser> lindi-: then do not tell them ;)
Aug 31 10:51:58 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: say "thanks"!
Aug 31 10:52:11 <Heinervdm> dos1: hmm, i have to change the path returned within the results?
Aug 31 10:52:18 <dos1> Heinervdm: oh, no
Aug 31 10:52:20 <wpwrak> PaulFertser: you could hurt an airplane by letting your neo control your ground-to-air missile batteries :)
Aug 31 10:52:21 <dos1> Heinervdm: hmmmm
Aug 31 10:52:45 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: true :D
Aug 31 10:52:57 <lindi-> "im just sending the gps coordinates over gprs to help aim the .."
Aug 31 10:53:01 <PaulFertser> wpwrak: but even in that case the probability is low enough
Aug 31 10:53:34 <DocScrutinizer> won't work :-D
Aug 31 10:57:14 <lindi-> PaulFertser: http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/schematics/GTA02/gta02_outline_footprints_netlist.tar.bz2 has a lot of component names but not C1009, why is that?
Aug 31 10:57:43 <PaulFertser> lindi-: C1009 is in the NDAd part
Aug 31 10:57:56 <CIA-53> SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr * rbe8a5cb19241 10/shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/opimd-dates.png: shr-theme: fix colors in opimd-dates icon
Aug 31 10:58:06 <mickeyl> morning
Aug 31 10:58:08 <lindi-> PaulFertser: aiee
Aug 31 10:58:29 <Ainulindale> hey mickeyl :-è)
Aug 31 10:58:30 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: morning
Aug 31 10:58:40 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: saw the news about N900?
Aug 31 10:58:52 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: it's not coming with ofono, ofono will catch up in 4-5 months.
Aug 31 10:59:13 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: d'oh. no, did not see this. this probably means it's NOT using AT, right?
Aug 31 10:59:18 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: and it's quite a proprietary stack
Aug 31 10:59:41 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: the modem is connected via SSI (serial), kernel driver is available, and phonet is used over it (available) and ISI is used over phonet (ISI not fully published, the plan is to make ofono support it).
Aug 31 10:59:51 <mickeyl> pity for all those being megaexcited by it
Aug 31 10:59:56 <Heinervdm> dos1: found the error, no need for GetContent()
Aug 31 11:00:02 <mickeyl> again though, it's probably "open enough" for most ...
Aug 31 11:00:17 * mickeyl still betting on the Pre
Aug 31 11:00:49 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: stop moaning! ;-) say thank you!
Aug 31 11:01:01 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: they told me they're not releasing that proprietary stack because they don't want to hurt their developers' feelings.
Aug 31 11:01:10 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: heh. fun
Aug 31 11:01:48 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: at least that's what they told me: "releasing the source would be legal but impolite to nokia developers". I couldn't believe my eyes.
Aug 31 11:02:05 <mickeyl> that's indeed... a surprise
Aug 31 11:02:47 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: you can read that yourself at the very end of http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/ofono.txt
Aug 31 11:03:02 <DocScrutinizer> I told ya it's without ophono
Aug 31 11:04:15 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: thanks
Aug 31 11:04:31 <mickeyl> and it's going to be without ophoned as well :)
Aug 31 11:05:40 <DocScrutinizer> hey this makes hacking still a lot easier
Aug 31 11:05:50 <[Rui]> they have lots of insults to the concept of openness in the wiki page about "why closed packages"
Aug 31 11:06:13 <DocScrutinizer> btw... HI mickey!
Aug 31 11:06:15 <[Rui]> they're veiled in bullshit-talk, but the first reason is "open source would hurt our brand"
Aug 31 11:06:17 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: I hear that N900 requires some proprietary software - to recharge the battery!
Aug 31 11:06:20 <mickeyl> yo DocScrutinizer 
Aug 31 11:06:40 <[Rui]> rhkfin: of course, they have those dumb batteries (unlike the freerunner)
Aug 31 11:06:49 <rhkfin> :/
Aug 31 11:07:14 <mickeyl> that leaves the g1 pretty much as the only viable option until the pre arrives
Aug 31 11:07:18 <[Rui]> rhkfin: so their battery stack has to have all those nokia-sikrits so the user won't make bombs with the phone and blame Nokia
Aug 31 11:07:18 <mickeyl> *sigh*
Aug 31 11:08:11 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
Aug 31 11:09:15 <mickeyl> i guess nothing came out of the e-ten RE right?
Aug 31 11:10:00 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I never was interested in eten RE
Aug 31 11:10:13 <DocScrutinizer> as eten is crap
Aug 31 11:10:42 <mickeyl> well, it would have been a nice 3G device with a keyboard...
Aug 31 11:10:44 <DocScrutinizer> basically a FR with 3G and shitty clumsy kbd
Aug 31 11:10:47 <mickeyl> but alas, it's gone
Aug 31 11:10:51 <mickeyl> (momentum, that is)
Aug 31 11:11:09 <[Rui]> mickeyl: if you can get an unblocked g1, that is. in Portugal I couldn't buy a G1 and install OM without risking up to 3 years in jail
Aug 31 11:11:13 <DocScrutinizer> yoh
Aug 31 11:11:22 <mickeyl> [Rui]: what??
Aug 31 11:11:31 <mickeyl> [Rui]: under which laws?
Aug 31 11:11:33 <DocScrutinizer> WHAT??
Aug 31 11:11:42 <CIA-53> SHR: 03thomas 07opimd-utils * rf8048b931e1b 10/opimd-dates: Add show entrys and add little opimd wrapper
Aug 31 11:11:55 <[Rui]> mickeyl: EUCD+operator lockin protection laws
Aug 31 11:12:13 <DocScrutinizer> portugal sucks, or "more likely" that's a hoax
Aug 31 11:12:14 <mickeyl> [Rui]: thanks for the info. that gives me some input for my next series talks
Aug 31 11:12:26 <[Rui]> if you unblock a phone which is subsidized by the operator you could be sued, and the highest penalty would be 3 years in jail
Aug 31 11:13:22 <[Rui]> since it probably can be viewed as some sort of DRM, the EUCD implementation also makes it an offense punishable up to 3 years in jail (or a fine)
Aug 31 11:13:25 <DocScrutinizer> rui: that's for simlock
Aug 31 11:13:58 <DocScrutinizer> as you break their business model
Aug 31 11:14:02 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: is "top side", "bottom side (mirrored)" and "bottom side" clear enough description for the pages 1 - 3?
Aug 31 11:14:17 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: sure
Aug 31 11:14:17 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: well, if you change the OS in the phone how would they be able to enforce the sim lock? :)
Aug 31 11:14:26 <spaetz> Hi all, my first day back in the office since about 6 weeks. It feels like eternity
Aug 31 11:14:35 <DocScrutinizer> rui: in modem?
Aug 31 11:14:50 * spaetz catches up on moko dev and resists buying new gadgets that would obsolete the FR
Aug 31 11:14:54 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: I know they fear that, but I've unlocked every single locked Nokia I bought from my operator and used that phone way beyond the "established" period anyways :)
Aug 31 11:15:07 <[Rui]> I don't like being treated like a deal-breaker :)
Aug 31 11:15:34 <mickeyl> spaetz: there's nothing that qualifies
Aug 31 11:15:45 <mickeyl> spaetz: or do you know more then us?
Aug 31 11:15:48 <mickeyl> welcome back, btw.
Aug 31 11:15:55 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: yes, but with an OS that's limits you less you could more easily defeat that
Aug 31 11:16:07 <DocScrutinizer> rui: need a simlocked FW for calypso? we probably could do ;-)
Aug 31 11:16:22 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: that sucks! :D
Aug 31 11:16:43 <spaetz> mickeyl: nahh, I mean new Netbooks (10"), the upcoming N900, ebook readers...
Aug 31 11:16:44 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: could you do a calypso without the deep sleep problem, then? ;->
Aug 31 11:16:56 <spaetz> there is so much exciting stuff that takes away your time and money :-)
Aug 31 11:17:09 <DocScrutinizer> rui: no, as that's a hw-bug
Aug 31 11:17:09 <mickeyl> oh well, that's true
Aug 31 11:17:15 <mickeyl> but it's different beast
Aug 31 11:17:15 <spaetz> and they all "just" need  more developing
Aug 31 11:17:16 <mickeyl> s
Aug 31 11:17:31 <spaetz> the N900 does look interesting (though not completely open)
Aug 31 11:17:42 <dos1> simlocked freerunner? ;)
Aug 31 11:17:58 <[Rui]> the N900 is quite appealing, but I'm so disapointed with the components the keep locked...
Aug 31 11:18:02 <spaetz> but there's no way I am going to use one with a smaller screen than my good old trusty N800
Aug 31 11:18:05 <dos1> "look, my device is open as nothing else - i could set up simlock on it by myself!"
Aug 31 11:18:06 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: hey ya :-)
Aug 31 11:18:18 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: how's it going? 
Aug 31 11:18:25 <Ainulindale> Fine, thanks, what about you?
Aug 31 11:18:52 <mickeyl> so so... been wandering around in some motivation hole...
Aug 31 11:18:58 <Ainulindale> :-)
Aug 31 11:19:02 <Ainulindale> Well I could help with that
Aug 31 11:19:02 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: you're mentioning a serious issue: hw-lock
Aug 31 11:19:07 <Ainulindale> You could actually help me with an issue I have
Aug 31 11:19:24 <Ainulindale> Would you happen to know why fakeroot bails out quite often with "Connection refused" ?
Aug 31 11:19:33 <Ainulindale> This happens a lot on shr & h:1 while building the image
Aug 31 11:19:42 <Ainulindale> We raised the fd limit
Aug 31 11:19:47 <Ainulindale> But it didn't change a thing
Aug 31 11:19:51 <mickeyl> connection refused... let me check the code where it says that
Aug 31 11:19:56 <mickeyl> which version are you using ?
Aug 31 11:20:10 <dos1> Heinervdm: deleting entries in opimd-dates is supposed to work now?
Aug 31 11:20:27 <Ainulindale> shr@opmbuild:~$ fakeroot -v
Aug 31 11:20:27 <Ainulindale> fakeroot version 1.11
Aug 31 11:21:08 <mickeyl> ok, let me grab the code and have a quick look
Aug 31 11:21:37 <Ainulindale> Thanks a lot
Aug 31 11:22:47 <Heinervdm> dos1: no, there is a strange error
Aug 31 11:22:50 <Heinervdm> dos1: try it
Aug 31 11:23:02 <dos1> Heinervdm: so you want me to fix it? ;)
Aug 31 11:23:19 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: are you building on a virtualized machine?
Aug 31 11:23:23 <Ainulindale> yes
Aug 31 11:23:41 <dos1> Heinervdm: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f28dd366a1fd68687049b2d146eb778e.png ;)
Aug 31 11:23:45 <Heinervdm> dos1: perhaps :D
Aug 31 11:23:47 <dos1> Heinervdm: my colision testing :D
Aug 31 11:24:05 <Heinervdm> nice :)
Aug 31 11:24:18 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: ok, that would explain
Aug 31 11:24:26 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: they're using sockets internally.
Aug 31 11:24:32 <mickeyl> try raising the TCP/UDP socket limits
Aug 31 11:24:32 <Ainulindale> Hmmm so?
Aug 31 11:24:35 <Ainulindale> Ok :-)
Aug 31 11:24:45 <Heinervdm> dos1: i'm getting this error: http://shr.pastebin.com/m30889d86
Aug 31 11:24:48 <dos1> Heinervdm: i played with it 2 hours before I got good idea for doing that :D
Aug 31 11:24:58 <dos1> Heinervdm: and tried about 5 different approaches ;)
Aug 31 11:25:43 <Ainulindale> mickeyl: thanks for the info
Aug 31 11:25:46 <mickeyl> Ainulindale: np
Aug 31 11:26:25 <Heinervdm> dos1: but i don't know why you did a new one, wasn't mine working?
Aug 31 11:27:00 <dos1> Heinervdm: no, do you want screen with the same data from your version? ;)
Aug 31 11:27:08 <Heinervdm> yes :)
Aug 31 11:28:38 <dos1> Heinervdm: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/
Aug 31 11:28:40 <dos1> Heinervdm: the same data
Aug 31 11:29:07 <Heinervdm> hmm, some are missing
Aug 31 11:29:13 <dos1> not missing
Aug 31 11:29:27 <dos1> just they hide behind bigger ones :P
Aug 31 11:29:36 <Heinervdm> oh :D
Aug 31 11:29:53 <dos1> look at "Wielk"
Aug 31 11:29:59 <dos1> it has spacing on left and right
Aug 31 11:30:10 <dos1> that means there is something with longer label behind it ;)P
Aug 31 11:30:51 <Heinervdm> :)
Aug 31 11:30:52 * soltys yawns
Aug 31 11:30:58 <dos1> Heinervdm: i also thought detecting coliding will be quite easy
Aug 31 11:31:00 <dos1> Heinervdm: i was wrong ;x
Aug 31 11:31:27 <Heinervdm> dos1: i thought that too :)
Aug 31 11:33:11 <[Rui]> try getting an error 27 (out of memory) with libcurl just because you converted an URL from http to https
Aug 31 11:33:18 <[Rui]> that's also nice!
Aug 31 11:33:32 <Heinervdm> dos1: do you know what's with morphis? because it would be nice to have a Calendar Widget, because i set finger_size to a fix value in opimd dates to get it on the screen
Aug 31 11:35:20 <PaulFertser> :-O
Aug 31 11:35:28 <Ainulindale> Ah there we are
Aug 31 11:35:36 <Ainulindale> I asked for that some months ago =)
Aug 31 11:35:42 <Ainulindale> Register chanserv!
Aug 31 11:35:50 <spaetz> so we add nytowl just so he can rip ophonekitd apart and put paroli in? :-)
Aug 31 11:35:58 <Ainulindale> spaetz: pfft ! :-)
Aug 31 11:36:15 <CIA-53> SHR: seba.dos1 opimd-utils * ree490208237a /opimd-dates: opimd-dates: don't fail when displaying entry without title
Aug 31 11:36:50 <spaetz> Should we announce a definitive end of the logo contest submission (it was always kind of vague)
Aug 31 11:37:11 <dos1> no colors allowed? :(
Aug 31 11:37:29 <Ainulindale> Colors are bad
Aug 31 11:37:43 <dos1> yes, but commit logs looks ugly now ;P
Aug 31 11:38:17 <dos1> raster: hey
Aug 31 11:38:24 <dos1> Ainulindale: what about OE patches? :P
Aug 31 11:38:48 <Ainulindale> Not today young padawan
Aug 31 11:38:53 <Ainulindale> Maybe a bit later
Aug 31 11:38:56 <Heinervdm> spaetz: end of september, as far as i know
Aug 31 11:38:57 <Ainulindale> But right now I'm busy :-)
Aug 31 11:39:21 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/searchable-component-placement/ should now have the final version
Aug 31 11:39:55 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: thanks. will download and place to om-site, if you agree
Aug 31 11:40:10 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: sure
Aug 31 11:40:11 <dos1> spaetz: don't you have oe commit access? :>
Aug 31 11:40:20 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: please also pull the git repo somewhere where it is not lost
Aug 31 11:40:24 <mickeyl> DocScrutinizer: here's your OP
Aug 31 11:41:12 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: i'd really appreciate if users were able to always find the SVG version in case they want to create annotated versions for bug fixes etc.
Aug 31 11:41:46 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: so I'll upload that one as well?
Aug 31 11:41:50 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: hmm, wait
Aug 31 11:41:58 <lindi-> there's a problem, i can't search :)
Aug 31 11:42:09 <lindi-> maybe invisible text can not be searched
Aug 31 11:42:15 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
Aug 31 11:42:54 <lindi-> yeah, can't make it invisible
Aug 31 11:42:55 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: if that's the problem, make it transparent instead of invisible
Aug 31 11:43:42 <DocScrutinizer> or, if nothing else works, make it blue
Aug 31 11:44:21 <mickeyl> bbl, lunch
Aug 31 11:44:31 <dos1> raster: ping
Aug 31 11:44:39 * rhkfin wonders how many lunches a day mickeyl eats :)
Aug 31 11:45:01 <dos1> Heinervdm: hmm
Aug 31 11:45:05 <dos1> Heinervdm: now deleting works
Aug 31 11:45:23 <Heinervdm> dos1: without changes?
Aug 31 11:45:32 <dos1> Heinervdm: yup
Aug 31 11:45:37 <Heinervdm> dos1: strange
Aug 31 11:49:42 <raster> dos1:  pong
Aug 31 11:50:06 <PaulFertser> raster: hey, i have a question for you too :D
Aug 31 11:50:20 <raster> PaulFertser: bing
Aug 31 11:50:22 <raster> :)
Aug 31 11:50:28 <PaulFertser> raster: i've recently tried to use some SE cellphone as a BT HID mouse/keyboard.
Aug 31 11:50:38 <PaulFertser> raster: with my laptop it worked without issues
Aug 31 11:50:39 <dos1> raster: and i have two issues ;)
Aug 31 11:50:54 <dos1> raster: a) could you tell us anything about illume2?
Aug 31 11:51:01 <raster> SE? sony ericsson?
Aug 31 11:51:33 <PaulFertser> raster: but with FR i had some weird thing. I had my terminal there opened and illume kbd poped up. Then i called Connect() method of bluez and it became mouse and keyboard. I could move cursor and press buttons but only until illume hid its keyboard.
Aug 31 11:51:39 <raster> dos1: a cleanup of the code - splitting it up - dont use it yet. it will replace illume eventually (and go away)
Aug 31 11:51:57 <PaulFertser> raster: yes, sony ericsson. Does it make give any clues to you?
Aug 31 11:52:25 <spaetz> dos1: yep, I do have committ access. But due to conferences and holidays no time :-).
Aug 31 11:52:52 <raster> PaulFertser:  until kbd hid? bizarre. doesnt say anythng to me other than somehow window lost focus. did it?
Aug 31 11:53:00 <spaetz> I do plan to get back to SHR development (although I'll have to figure out the whole git procedure)
Aug 31 11:53:01 <raster> ie terminals tend to modify cursor on foucs in/out
Aug 31 11:53:27 <skamster20_> ehm.. is there some idea? http://pastebin.com/d32accadd
Aug 31 11:53:31 <PaulFertser> raster: no, BT communication was lost completely. And BT "mouse" stopped working too.
Aug 31 11:53:48 <skamster20_> couldn't pull anymore.. but i don't use git so much, so i don't know how i could fix this
Aug 31 11:54:12 <skamster20_> (it mustn's be merged, just replaced and update the other files..)
Aug 31 11:54:15 <Heinervdm> skamster20_: there's a conflict
Aug 31 11:54:25 <spaetz> BTW, I discovered only today that my gold old N810 can scroll stuff very flowlessly (eg with the webbrowser tear), sigh. Want that for the FR too
Aug 31 11:54:35 <Heinervdm> skamster20_: just delete it, if you don't need your changes
Aug 31 11:54:42 <skamster20_> ah, ok
Aug 31 11:54:43 <skamster20_> thx
Aug 31 11:54:44 <skamster20_> :)
Aug 31 11:54:45 <spaetz> we should get "tear" to run on the FR, it's very finger friendly
Aug 31 11:54:50 <dos1> raster: and second issue - do you know patches for illume waiting for ya on enlightenment trac?
Aug 31 11:55:03 <raster> PaulFertser:  oooh. bt lost. that i dont know. never tried anything bt for input ever. dont have any code in e anywhere that fiddles with anything bt at al
Aug 31 11:55:12 <raster> or even shows status
Aug 31 11:55:12 <PaulFertser> raster: and the phone reported "trying to reconnect" on every press.
Aug 31 11:55:15 <dos1> raster: some of them are really old, and really usable
Aug 31 11:55:23 <PaulFertser> raster: how do you tell that a keyboard is connected then?
Aug 31 11:55:40 <raster> only thinkg is illumes kbd code listens to hal hw announcements and if u add (or remove) a bt or usb - in fact any kbd input device, it disables the vkbd
Aug 31 11:55:47 <raster> unless the device is in the ignore list
Aug 31 11:56:06 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: now it's blue with alpha set to 1 (of 255)
Aug 31 11:56:16 <raster> dos1: dont know of any. i only check track if i got an email as someone cc'd me on the ticket
Aug 31 11:56:20 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: turns out I can not search page 3, the mirrored labels must cause this
Aug 31 11:56:29 <DocScrutinizer> duh
Aug 31 11:56:44 <lindi-> some inkscape guru could probably help me mirror X objects so that the objects itself are not mirrored but only their locationis
Aug 31 11:57:04 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: found two missing labels when I was aligning the mirrored objects
Aug 31 11:59:29 <dos1> raster: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&component=elementary&component=illume&order=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone
Aug 31 11:59:35 <dos1> raster: soem of them have patches
Aug 31 11:59:50 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: do we really need to support both mirrored and unmirrored version?
Aug 31 12:00:12 <PaulFertser> raster: aha, hal hw announcement... Interesting. Needs more experimentation alas i don't have a phone like that myself.
Aug 31 12:00:38 <skamster20_> ehm, dos1, as i know, you make the most things in opimd-utils? i like translating in lost time :) so i see, gettex is in work for translating, but i don't know how to set the file-folder
Aug 31 12:00:55 <skamster20_> the rest is something which i think i could do it..
Aug 31 12:01:31 <skamster20_> but if you (or someone else) could build this in, it would be a great thing.. (at least for me, hopefully also for all others)
Aug 31 12:02:23 <Mirv> apparently elementary got rejected from Debian's NEW queue (it has disappeared and not in archives or incoming). anyone know why?
Aug 31 12:02:34 <raster> PaulFertser: well that would only enable/disable the vkbd window - it wouldnt play with disconnecting tc. your bt devices
Aug 31 12:03:06 <raster> dos1: trac nver emails me when someone assigns it - only if done on the original ticket entry i think
Aug 31 12:03:20 <PaulFertser> raster: i know :D
Aug 31 12:03:31 <PaulFertser> raster: just wanted to make sure you only listen for hal events
Aug 31 12:04:08 <raster> correct
Aug 31 12:04:09 <Mirv> ah ok found http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2009-August/000823.html
Aug 31 12:04:10 <raster> hats all it does
Aug 31 12:04:12 <raster> thats
Aug 31 12:04:38 <Mirv> so being reuploaded
Aug 31 12:14:31 <CIA-53> SHR: seba.dos1 shr-installer * rfecd1fb06f9b /shr-installer: Make bottom bar homogenous
Aug 31 12:14:53 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: asked on #inkscape but can't figure it out
Aug 31 12:15:05 <DocScrutinizer2> lindi-: I don't think we need both versions searchable
Aug 31 12:15:16 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: so for now, please include only pages 1 and 2 and the git repo
Aug 31 12:15:22 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: we can fix page 3 later
Aug 31 12:15:38 <lindi-> better not publish pdf of page3 or people will be surprised
Aug 31 12:15:46 <DocScrutinizer2> git repo? That's not my domain ;-P
Aug 31 12:16:08 <DocScrutinizer2> lindi-: (no p.3) ok
Aug 31 12:16:31 <DocScrutinizer2> so I should dl now?
Aug 31 12:16:46 <Majkhii> hi guys...is possible to test sd card if it is ok? fsck is allright
Aug 31 12:16:46 <Majkhii> bbut sometimes it gives me output/input error
Aug 31 12:21:41 <spaetz> @at all, is enabling SSL for curl (and therefore dillo I think) something we want?
Aug 31 12:21:50 <spaetz> It does make sense to me, if it works.
Aug 31 12:23:05 <[Rui]> spaetz: yes, please do
Aug 31 12:23:15 <spaetz> and sorry for having missed all the fun. Are things applied to our shr/import branch or should we be using dev.OE
Aug 31 12:23:46 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer2: ah, but somehow the revision history should be available
Aug 31 12:24:09 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer2: can you just add the README for now then? it has a link to my own git repo
Aug 31 12:24:24 <DocScrutinizer2> Already did that
Aug 31 12:25:00 <DocScrutinizer2> lindi-: just realize I have no idea where openmoko.org/downloads is located :-/
Aug 31 12:25:07 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer2: heh
Aug 31 12:25:11 <lindi-> neither do I
Aug 31 12:25:29 <dos1> spaetz: shr/import
Aug 31 12:25:38 <DocScrutinizer2> I'll try the 350million asian godesses
Aug 31 12:25:43 <[Rui]> spaetz: it builds cleanly and curl is now able to fetch https urls BUT (there's always a but) we need a new package
Aug 31 12:25:55 <[Rui]> root@om-gta02 ~ $ curl https://identi.ca/
Aug 31 12:25:58 <[Rui]> curl: (77) error setting certificate verify locations:
Aug 31 12:25:58 <[Rui]>   CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
Aug 31 12:25:58 <[Rui]>   CApath: none
Aug 31 12:26:03 <DocScrutinizer2> varaha, sita, shakti...
Aug 31 12:26:25 <DocScrutinizer> oops
Aug 31 12:26:28 <spaetz> mmh, but applying that patch would enable SSL for all users of curl, not only SHR
Aug 31 12:26:43 <CIA-53> SHR: thomas opimd-utils * r93887f0f5d3a /TODO: update TODO for opimd-dates
Aug 31 12:26:48 <[Rui]> spaetz: it will, but it's only half ready
Aug 31 12:26:52 <DocScrutinizer> roh: ping
Aug 31 12:27:01 <dos1> spaetz: in shr/import branch? :P
Aug 31 12:27:06 <[Rui]> spaetz: and that isn't a - it's a + :)
Aug 31 12:27:24 <spaetz> dos1: no, I can play in our import branch of course, but I thought the long-term plan is to move to proper OE
Aug 31 12:27:30 <[Rui]> spaetz: you mean that as it is it would apply to all OE and not just for shr?
Aug 31 12:27:52 <dos1> spaetz: i know. but this long-term looks to be reaaaaaallly long :P
Aug 31 12:28:19 <spaetz> dos1, ok then. I'll apply to ou branch then. [Rui] what package do we need in addition?
Aug 31 12:28:48 <[Rui]> spaetz: I haven't figured that out yet. in my email I mentioned that it seems to require some extra package related to ca certificates
Aug 31 12:28:55 <[Rui]> and effectively there's no /etc/ssl/....
Aug 31 12:29:11 <spaetz> PACKAGES += "${PN}-certs
Aug 31 12:29:15 <[Rui]> but a programmer can (in the meanwhile) carry around his own copy
Aug 31 12:29:20 <spaetz> it already depends on curl-certs
Aug 31 12:29:22 <[Rui]> spaetz: yes.
Aug 31 12:29:27 <[Rui]> but I don't see that
Aug 31 12:29:56 <dos1> spaetz: i'll look at it
Aug 31 12:29:58 <[Rui]> I don't understand bitbake recipes all that well, of course, <:)
Aug 31 12:29:58 <spaetz> mmh, maybe there is a reason that it was disabled...
Aug 31 12:30:03 <spaetz> dos1: thanks would be cool
Aug 31 12:30:09 <dos1> spaetz: now just apply ;)
Aug 31 12:30:12 <Heinervdm> spaetz: it does not depend on it, it provieds it
Aug 31 12:30:28 <spaetz> dos1: I'll apply it and blame you. :-)
Aug 31 12:30:33 <dos1> ok :P
Aug 31 12:30:35 <Heinervdm> and without ssl enabled the package is probable empty
Aug 31 12:30:42 <[Rui]> spaetz: it recommends that package, but I don't think it's a reasonable recomendation
Aug 31 12:30:45 <dos1> now i have buildhost access so i don't care ;D
Aug 31 12:31:06 <[Rui]> spaetz: there should be a default capath which most apps know about and can integrate
Aug 31 12:31:17 <[Rui]> /etc/ssl/certs seems to be it
Aug 31 12:31:54 <[Rui]> in ubuntu that's the address, in fedora it's /etc/pki/tls/certs/
Aug 31 12:32:18 <[Rui]> for maximum compatibility with the debian port, I'd recommend to start with /etc/ssl/certs
Aug 31 12:33:07 <dos1> there is
Aug 31 12:33:09 <dos1> FILES_${PN}-certs = "${datadir}/curl/curl-*"
Aug 31 12:33:27 <dos1> so probably just this path is wrong
Aug 31 12:33:41 <dos1> i'll check which path it should be when building of feed finishes
Aug 31 12:34:12 <[Rui]> I'm still trying to catchup my main priority bug in elmdentica, https connections... but I get a weird curl error
Aug 31 12:34:17 <[Rui]> even on ubuntu
Aug 31 12:35:55 <dos1> [Rui]: btw - can you change elmdentica desktop file?
Aug 31 12:35:59 <dos1> Exec=elmdentica
Aug 31 12:36:02 <dos1> and Icon=elmdentica
Aug 31 12:36:36 <[Rui]> dos1: why not include bindir ?
Aug 31 12:36:47 <dos1> [Rui]: cause including it is plain wrong
Aug 31 12:36:50 <[Rui]> dos1: Icon=elmdentica ==> no icon in desktop
Aug 31 12:37:02 <dos1> then you did something wrong
Aug 31 12:37:16 <dos1> as Icon shouldn't have any path nor extension
Aug 31 12:37:19 <[Rui]> dos1: why would it be plain wrong?
Aug 31 12:37:22 <dos1> those are QA issues
Aug 31 12:37:36 <dos1> [Rui]: cause there is specification about desktop files
Aug 31 12:37:49 <dos1> [Rui]: and including them is violation ;)
Aug 31 12:37:54 <[Rui]> dos1: well, the fact remains that in illume there wasn't any icon and I couldn't figure out why
Aug 31 12:38:13 <[Rui]> dos1: wtf? the spec shouldn't impose that on the path, but no problem
Aug 31 12:38:32 <[Rui]> as to the icon, is /usr/share/pixmaps/elmdentica.png a BAD place to place it?
Aug 31 12:38:41 <dos1> no, it's ok
Aug 31 12:38:42 <[Rui]> should it go somewhere else?
Aug 31 12:38:53 <[Rui]> dos1: then why wouldn't the icon show up in the standard launcher?
Aug 31 12:39:01 <dos1> dunno, probably some bug
Aug 31 12:39:04 <dos1> but here it works
Aug 31 12:39:09 <[Rui]> maybe it was a bug with that version, I'll rebuild and retry
Aug 31 12:39:20 <[Rui]> or change the desktop file directly :)
Aug 31 12:40:07 <dos1> [Rui]: btw, opkg update; opkg install shr-theme; killall -HUP enlightenment
Aug 31 12:40:09 <dos1> ;)
Aug 31 12:40:12 <[Rui]> it seems to be ok now
Aug 31 12:40:25 <dos1> you'll see something
Aug 31 12:40:34 <[Rui]> that pixmap bug problem was probably the reason I ended up putting the full pathname
Aug 31 12:40:49 <[Rui]> dos1: that nice blue theme?
Aug 31 12:41:03 <dos1> [Rui]: no
Aug 31 12:41:12 <dos1> shr-theme is icon theme
Aug 31 12:41:31 <dos1> you have it already installed
Aug 31 12:41:36 <dos1> i just want you to upgrade it ;D
Aug 31 12:41:55 <[Rui]> dos1: ah
Aug 31 12:42:01 <spaetz> [Rui]: pushed
Aug 31 12:42:09 <spaetz> now we have to live with the fallout
Aug 31 12:42:11 <dos1> spaetz: and what about my other patches?
Aug 31 12:42:19 <[Rui]> spaetz: the build is clean
Aug 31 12:42:28 <spaetz> dos1: hey, it's my first day in the office, gimme a break :-)
Aug 31 12:42:30 <[Rui]> spaetz: only a warning (due to the recomendation) happens at install time
Aug 31 12:42:39 <[Rui]> but we still need to fix the certs file
Aug 31 12:42:49 <dos1> spaetz: just commit 3 latest patches from patchwork
Aug 31 12:43:02 <dos1> spaetz: and close 3 another latest patches, as they are already applied
Aug 31 12:43:03 <[Rui]> for the time being, maybe just a tar curl-certs.tar.gz /etc/ssl/certs may be enough :)
Aug 31 12:43:04 <dos1> nothing more ;)
Aug 31 12:43:05 <spaetz> I'll need to setup my own build again before I push more intrusive stuff, sorry dos.
Aug 31 12:43:08 <spaetz>  :-)
Aug 31 12:43:11 <dos1> spaetz: the thing is
Aug 31 12:43:21 <dos1> spaetz: everything is already built on buildhost
Aug 31 12:43:25 <spaetz> don't want to push stupid build failures due to typos
Aug 31 12:43:27 <dos1> spaetz: so there is no intrusive stuff
Aug 31 12:43:31 <spaetz> ahh, ok. hold on.
Aug 31 12:44:01 <dos1> spaetz: those patches are done by "git format-patch" on SHR buildhost :P
Aug 31 12:44:08 <[Rui]> dos1: elmdentica r144 has the desktop file fixes
Aug 31 12:44:13 <dos1> [Rui]: thanks :)
Aug 31 12:44:50 <[Rui]> dos1: no, I thank you for bugging me :)
Aug 31 12:45:22 <[Rui]> lunch time, brb
Aug 31 12:45:50 <dos1> spaetz: but don't commit [Shr-Devel] Kernel Mode-Setting (KMS) on Neo FreeRunner ;)
Aug 31 12:45:53 <dos1> it's intrusive :D
Aug 31 12:46:06 <dos1> spaetz: only packagekit and shr-today stuff
Aug 31 12:46:25 <dos1> spaetz: and ophonekitd, phoneutils and shr-settings stuff close, it's already applied
Aug 31 12:46:48 <dos1> leave KMS and python stuff ;)
Aug 31 12:46:56 <spaetz> dos1: can't that go upstream too? http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/81/
Aug 31 12:47:07 <dos1> spaetz: already sent
Aug 31 12:47:12 <rhkfin> SHR, unstable, mokonnect and WEP, anyone? Seems to hang for me when pressing 'apply', after inputting password
Aug 31 12:47:33 <spaetz> dos1: ok, I'll apply that one now too.
Aug 31 12:47:50 <dos1> spaetz: well, even if they'll apply - we're using 0.5.1 release, not git HEAD
Aug 31 12:47:56 <spaetz> rhkfin: I had that too all the time, with WEP. Don't know if it works now.
Aug 31 12:48:09 <rhkfin> spaetz: hmm.. ok, too bad :/
Aug 31 12:48:19 <DocScrutinizer> real work done today ;-) everywhere
Aug 31 12:48:47 <rhkfin> (I want to try to crack my wlan network and need to generate some traffic there, only got 2 wlan devices :)
Aug 31 12:48:50 <spaetz> dos1: warning: squelched 9 whitespace errors
Aug 31 12:48:50 <spaetz> warning: 14 lines add whitespace errors.
Aug 31 12:48:59 <dos1> spaetz: patch in patch ;)
Aug 31 12:49:07 <spaetz> trailing whitespace and tabs before patches
Aug 31 12:49:12 <dos1> typical
Aug 31 12:49:14 <spaetz> tabs before spaces
Aug 31 12:49:16 <spaetz> ahh, ok
Aug 31 12:49:39 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: revert the latest Werner's patch.
Aug 31 12:49:48 <PaulFertser> rhkfin: it will be soon in the repos
Aug 31 12:50:24 <rhkfin> PaulFertser: well maybe I'll just wait :)
Aug 31 12:51:23 <spaetz> commit f64c8b9ed3d91b3df432cc20c97db8caf7e17d53
Aug 31 12:51:23 <spaetz> Author: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1@gmail.com>
Aug 31 12:51:23 <spaetz> Date:   Mon Aug 31 14:50:25 2009 +0200
Aug 31 12:51:24 <spaetz> packagekit: fix opkg backend to install multiple packages
Aug 31 12:51:59 <spaetz> dos1: here you go. I need to do real day job work now, won't be able to apply more today. Can do tomorrow
Aug 31 12:52:51 <dos1> spaetz: but could you just close http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/75/, http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/60/ and http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/52/?
Aug 31 12:52:58 <dos1> spaetz: those are already applied
Aug 31 12:53:21 <TeLLuS> spaetz: hi, back again...
Aug 31 12:53:39 <spaetz> dos1: all 3 closed. thanks
Aug 31 12:53:42 <spaetz> Hi TeLLuS
Aug 31 12:53:47 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: for now it's at http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/ ... will manage downloads.openmoko.org later
Aug 31 12:53:48 <dos1> :)
Aug 31 12:54:07 <spaetz> mmh, I'd love KMS and proper xorg
Aug 31 12:54:31 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: I always thought my "private" dir is superior to the public dl-loc  ;-P
Aug 31 12:54:33 <dos1> spaetz: yup, as me
Aug 31 12:54:47 <dos1> spaetz: but it's quite intrusive ;x we have to do -testing image before applying that
Aug 31 12:55:36 <spaetz> yep, getting a new -testing out would be superb. Otherwise people will always bug us with that obsolete -testing image that we have now.
Aug 31 12:56:31 <spaetz> mickeyl: is the shr/import branch following dev.OE (ie do we get all the improvement goodness from it?)
Aug 31 12:57:17 * rhkfin agrees with the -testing!
Aug 31 12:57:32 <mickeyl> I'm afraid not. neither is someone (except me) merging shr/import back to oe.dev
Aug 31 12:57:34 <rhkfin> spaetz: the latest -testing is not available, by the way.. only unstable..
Aug 31 12:57:55 <spaetz> ahh, that is good. It's kind of embarassing if people could still get it
Aug 31 12:59:10 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: thanks for the BOM
Aug 31 13:00:24 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: ok, can I send mail to hardware@?
Aug 31 13:00:43 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: about?
Aug 31 13:00:56 <Sharwin_F> Heinervdm, did you finally send a patch for ace-of-penguins launcher?
Aug 31 13:01:05 <Heinervdm> Sharwin_F: yes
Aug 31 13:01:12 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: I'd appreciate you communicate your great work by yourself to community
Aug 31 13:01:28 <Sharwin_F> Heinervdm, it isn't in the repos yet :S
Aug 31 13:01:45 <Heinervdm> Sharwin_F: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//all/aceofpenguins-launcher_0.2-r0_all.ipk
Aug 31 13:01:58 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: suggest [hw] plus [community]
Aug 31 13:02:40 <Sharwin_F> Heinervdm, hm I just upgraded with "opkg upgrade" and it continues crashing
Aug 31 13:03:05 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: (crossposts allowed for this sole purpose ;-)
Aug 31 13:06:24 <Heinervdm> Sharwin_F: oh, thats the wrong version... dos1 can you bump PV of aceofpenguins-launcher to 0.3?
Aug 31 13:06:43 <dos1> Heinervdm: ping me later
Aug 31 13:06:47 <dos1> Heinervdm: now feed is building
Aug 31 13:06:53 <Heinervdm> dos1: ok
Aug 31 13:06:55 <[Rui]> dos1: btw, I'm not using shr-theme, I'm using sixteen
Aug 31 13:07:06 <dos1> [Rui]: you're using shr-theme
Aug 31 13:07:23 <dos1> [Rui]: shr-theme is only icon theme
Aug 31 13:07:32 <dos1> [Rui]: e-wm-theme-illume-shr is illume theme
Aug 31 13:07:38 <[Rui]> dos1: ah, sorry for the confusion
Aug 31 13:11:10 <[Rui]> dos1: argh
Aug 31 13:11:29 <[Rui]> why does the elmdentica icon have that UGLY blue background around it?
Aug 31 13:11:42 <[Rui]> it's a png with alpha channel for some reason :)
Aug 31 13:13:00 <[Rui]> contacts and dialer are now with a default icon
Aug 31 13:13:06 <[Rui]> messages too
Aug 31 13:13:32 <[Rui]> and the opim-utils apps as well
Aug 31 13:25:10 <CIA-53> SHR: seba.dos1 shr * r99545589fa9f /shr-theme/icons/86x86/apps/supertux.png: shr-theme: update supertux icon
Aug 31 13:27:07 <spaetz> dos1: what do I need for the niebiee theme?
Aug 31 13:27:19 <spaetz> is there a metapackage for it?
Aug 31 13:27:56 <dos1> spaetz: there is metapackage, but not working ;D
Aug 31 13:28:06 <spaetz> dos1: ahh, :-(. ok
Aug 31 13:28:17 <dos1> opkg install e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee elementary-theme-niebiee shr-splash-theme-niebiee
Aug 31 13:28:34 <spaetz> ok, thanks. Will try later at home when my FR is online
Aug 31 13:28:50 <spaetz> omehow my masquerading through the laptop broke and it can't access the new
Aug 31 13:28:53 <spaetz> net
Aug 31 13:43:08 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: not worling? o.O
Aug 31 13:44:15 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * rb80c8c802689 /fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_idle/plugin.vala:
Aug 31 13:44:15 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kernel_idle: resync input devices when input devices appear or disappear during runtime
Aug 31 13:44:15 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: This fixes the infamous 'screen blanking bug' when using USB or BT keyboards plugged in after system start
Aug 31 13:46:12 <DocScrutinizer> screen blanking bug?
Aug 31 13:46:44 <DocScrutinizer> more an unblanking bug I guess?
Aug 31 13:48:54 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: you noticed my suggestion to create a netfilter target that can set particular "idle"/"busy" state (what's the surname of those states?)
Aug 31 13:50:01 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: that way we had a very natural means to stop suspend/resume oscillating during e.g. GPRS inbound traffic
Aug 31 13:51:07 <DocScrutinizer> also sanely make wget dl finish without suspend interruption
Aug 31 13:51:09 <mickeyl> Settings states directly is not recommended. I'd rather see it using the display or cpu resource in that case
Aug 31 13:51:42 <mickeyl> i like the idea of connecting netfilter to the resources though
Aug 31 13:51:44 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: timer had to be reset on each packet
Aug 31 13:51:56 <mickeyl> need to look up on how to create such targets
Aug 31 13:52:03 <DocScrutinizer> allocating resource won't help
Aug 31 13:52:16 <mickeyl> ah
Aug 31 13:52:19 <DocScrutinizer> as we don't know when to free again
Aug 31 13:52:32 <mickeyl> in that case we rather want additional 'input' devices
Aug 31 13:52:38 <DocScrutinizer> ok
Aug 31 13:52:50 <DocScrutinizer> sounds good as well
Aug 31 13:53:02 <mickeyl> *nod* will research a bit on that
Aug 31 13:53:30 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: would you suggest the netfilter target should create events on a dedicated input device then
Aug 31 13:53:32 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Aug 31 13:54:24 <mickeyl> i thought that we could add a netfilter target that's treated as an input device by the kernel_idle plugin
Aug 31 13:54:45 <mickeyl> basically acting as a keypress
Aug 31 13:54:56 <DocScrutinizer> that's another way to say the same, I guess ;-D
Aug 31 13:55:28 <mickeyl> this is not going to happen on fso1 though
Aug 31 13:55:32 <DocScrutinizer> sounds like a spec :-)
Aug 31 13:55:38 <mickeyl> netfliter and all that stuff is scary from python
Aug 31 13:55:46 <DocScrutinizer> hehehe
Aug 31 13:56:06 <DocScrutinizer> maybe PaulFertser likes to dive into that. he loves netfilter
Aug 31 13:56:18 <mickeyl> well, fsodeviced is almost ready for public consumption anyways
Aug 31 13:56:30 <mickeyl> and there we can do it
Aug 31 13:56:44 <mickeyl> ok, now i really need to run for lunch... i'm starving
Aug 31 13:56:52 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: I guess adding another input device isn't a big thing anyway
Aug 31 13:57:06 * DocScrutinizer as well
Aug 31 13:57:12 <mickey|lunch> perhaps using uinput could be even simpler?
Aug 31 13:57:53 <DocScrutinizer> let's all ponder about it a few days more ;-)
Aug 31 13:58:21 <DocScrutinizer> I like the input idea anyway
Aug 31 13:58:44 <DocScrutinizer> as it's generic and not bound to FSO
Aug 31 14:00:07 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: you're in?
Aug 31 14:01:28 <spaetz> input device that fires on every wget package?
Aug 31 14:01:33 <spaetz> outch, doesn't that hurt?
Aug 31 14:01:42 <spaetz> even tcp package?
Aug 31 14:03:19 <DocScrutinizer> spaetz: well that's been the idea
Aug 31 14:04:23 <DocScrutinizer> spaetz: I see reason for your "ouch" though
Aug 31 14:04:58 <DocScrutinizer> at least I think so. CPU load?
Aug 31 14:05:02 <spaetz> CPU load
Aug 31 14:05:34 <spaetz> but you might be able to short cut a lot of events. It only needs to fire every few seconds anyway
Aug 31 14:05:51 <DocScrutinizer> well, that's why we are in here. let's think about and discuss it
Aug 31 14:07:34 <DocScrutinizer> maybe netfilter target needs to learn to keep a private timer (if netfilter doen't know yet how to do that)
Aug 31 14:08:50 <DocScrutinizer> the name of events was TRAFFIC_START and TRAFFIC_STALL then
Aug 31 14:11:05 <DocScrutinizer> and netfilter rules to set up the target would include a parameter const to specify the timeout threshold for TRAFFIC_STALL
Aug 31 14:12:27 <DocScrutinizer> I seem to remember we got (co?-)author of netfilters in our community. Wasn't that harald welte?
Aug 31 14:12:44 <Azog> yes
Aug 31 14:13:46 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, no laf0rge around :-/
Aug 31 14:16:05 * DocScrutinizer --->brunch (hit me for each post next 60min ;)
Aug 31 14:18:32 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: nah, i'll drop community, it has way too much traffic :)
Aug 31 14:19:18 <DocScrutinizer> nooo, you won't lure me into.... ouch did it :-D
Aug 31 14:19:55 <lindi-> mail sent to hardware@
Aug 31 14:20:13 * DocScrutinizer hits himself
Aug 31 14:27:41 <dos1> Heinervdm: ping
Aug 31 14:27:46 <dos1> Heinervdm: what about aceofpenguins?
Aug 31 14:27:52 <dos1> Heinervdm: bumped to 0.4, but i have 404
Aug 31 14:28:22 <dos1> Heinervdm: oh, 0.3
Aug 31 14:28:24 <dos1> ok
Aug 31 14:29:39 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen laforge
Aug 31 14:29:39 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer: i haven't seen 'laforge'
Aug 31 14:29:47 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen laf0rge
Aug 31 14:29:47 <bzzbot> DocScrutinizer: i haven't seen 'laf0rge'
Aug 31 14:35:09 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: seba.dos1 framework * r02ede11c3d92 /framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimd_generic.py): opimd: fix merging
Aug 31 14:35:40 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: seba.dos1 dos/opimd-tracking * rcdb1f5cbeb18 framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimd_generic.py): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking
Aug 31 14:46:04 <robinson> Hello dos1
Aug 31 14:46:16 <robinson> I just wanted to ask you some quick question
Aug 31 14:46:20 <robinson> about opimd
Aug 31 14:46:24 <robinson> If you are there
Aug 31 14:50:51 <dos1> robinson: pong
Aug 31 14:54:02 <khiraly1> (13.56.44) lindi-: some inkscape guru could probably help me mirror X objects so that the objects itself are not mirrored but only their locationis
Aug 31 14:54:13 <khiraly1> lindi-: still here?
Aug 31 14:54:15 <lindi-> khiraly1: yep
Aug 31 14:54:19 <robinson> hi
Aug 31 14:54:26 <khiraly1> 1. group all objects, what you want to mirror
Aug 31 14:54:30 <khiraly1> 2. mirror the group
Aug 31 14:54:34 <khiraly1> 3. ungroup them
Aug 31 14:54:52 <robinson> I wanted to ask you quickly how do you think it could be possible to make opimd reading evolution sources
Aug 31 14:54:53 <khiraly1> 4. unmirror them one by one
Aug 31 14:55:07 <robinson> so that anyone could use another app to feed contact list
Aug 31 14:55:13 <khiraly1> use shortcuts
Aug 31 14:55:19 <khiraly1> it makes you a bit faster
Aug 31 14:55:21 <dos1> robinson: another app?
Aug 31 14:55:22 <robinson> but still using the full framework of shr
Aug 31 14:55:30 <robinson> pimlico contacts
Aug 31 14:55:33 <dos1> robinson: using evolution as backend is possible (after writing backend :P)
Aug 31 14:55:35 <robinson> this is what i am using now
Aug 31 14:55:53 <khiraly1> dos1: is opimd is capable to read out contacts from SIM?
Aug 31 14:56:09 <dos1> khiraly1: yup. it was even before i started to work at it
Aug 31 14:56:30 <khiraly1> just, in shr, they didnt read out the contacts from sim, or I couldnt noticed it
Aug 31 14:56:33 <robinson> right now I patched pimlico contacts so that I can call through SHR but it is an ugly exec call to a patched shr-dialer executable
Aug 31 14:56:42 <lindi-> khiraly1: done that, the text is mirrored then
Aug 31 14:56:53 <lindi-> khiraly1: kind of hard to read the text when it is mirrored
Aug 31 14:57:03 <lindi-> khiraly1: whoops, step 4)?
Aug 31 14:57:11 <dos1> robinson: you don't have to patch shr-dialer
Aug 31 14:57:14 <dos1> robinson: you can use dbus-send
Aug 31 14:57:16 <lindi-> khiraly1: you do realize I have some 400 objects to unmirror one-by-one?
Aug 31 14:57:19 <robinson> cool
Aug 31 14:57:33 <khiraly1> lindi-: the beauty of graphical application;)
Aug 31 14:57:38 <khiraly1> (16.55.13) khiraly1: use shortcuts
Aug 31 14:57:51 <lindi-> khiraly1: if you want to do it, feel free to pull the source from git
Aug 31 14:58:18 * rhkfin knows khiraly1 knows inkscape!
Aug 31 14:58:34 <khiraly1> the problem with selecting all of them, that the center of object is calculated to the whole selection, and the unmirroring will fuckup the positions
Aug 31 14:58:42 <robinson> how do i use dbus-send to make a call ?
Aug 31 14:59:03 <robinson> there is a doc for it ?
Aug 31 14:59:40 <khiraly1> lindi-: but you can write an extension for it. Just I tend to believe, it costs at least as much time as aactually doing it
Aug 31 14:59:41 <khiraly1> ;)
Aug 31 15:00:13 <lindi-> khiraly1: inkscape does not seem to be compiled with scripting support in debian
Aug 31 15:00:18 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: use sed on the source?
Aug 31 15:00:46 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: you mean XSLT?
Aug 31 15:00:56 <khiraly1> lindi-: do you have Extensions menu item?
Aug 31 15:01:06 <khiraly1> Text Filters Extensions Help
Aug 31 15:01:13 <khiraly1> if so, you have scripting support
Aug 31 15:01:22 <lindi-> khiraly1: how do i search for menu items?
Aug 31 15:01:43 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: XSLT might do. nevertheless I thought of hacking the hardcore way ;-P
Aug 31 15:02:00 <robinson> anyway what do you think of the idea of having opimd reading other sources than SQLite db ?
Aug 31 15:02:05 <khiraly1> File Edit View Layer Object Chain(?) Text Filters Extensions Help
Aug 31 15:02:07 <robinson> would it be worthful ?
Aug 31 15:02:40 <khiraly1> (17.01.42) DocScrutinizer: lindi-: XSLT might do. nevertheless I thought of hacking the hardcore way ;-P <-- if in doubt, use brute force;)
Aug 31 15:03:01 <DocScrutinizer> YEAH
Aug 31 15:03:03 <lindi-> khiraly1: i used brute force already for two pages
Aug 31 15:03:29 <lindi-> but i'll take a look at xslt next time, seems possible
Aug 31 15:03:39 <DocScrutinizer> robinson: sure would be nice
Aug 31 15:03:46 <lindi-> <text x="-530.54749" y="-1006.4664" id="text2422" sodipodi:linespacing="125%" transform="scale(-1,-1)"><tspan   sodipodi:role="line"   id="tspan2424"   x="-530.54749"   y="-1006.4664">U2501</tspan></text>
Aug 31 15:03:56 <lindi-> I just need to edit the scale part
Aug 31 15:04:04 <dos1> robinson: dbus-send --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.ogsmd --type=method_call /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.Initiate string:+48666666666 string:voice
Aug 31 15:04:10 <DocScrutinizer> robinson: al lot of requests for VCARD backend.
Aug 31 15:04:29 <dos1> robinson: and about reading from other sources: it's already done by design (backend infrastructure)
Aug 31 15:04:38 <DocScrutinizer> robinson: dos1 answers "write it! ;-)"
Aug 31 15:04:42 <robinson> But i might jump in if necessary ... i am not asking you to do it
Aug 31 15:04:53 <dos1> for contacts there are 3 backends ATM
Aug 31 15:04:55 <robinson> that's it
Aug 31 15:04:59 <dos1> SIM, SQLite and CSV
Aug 31 15:05:07 <khiraly1> lindi-: nope, not really
Aug 31 15:05:11 <khiraly1> (17.03.55) lindi-: I just need to edit the scale part
Aug 31 15:05:24 <khiraly1> ^^ if you only edit the scale part it will be mirrored to y axe
Aug 31 15:05:37 <robinson> oki so I download sources try to make it. Before that I wanted to know what you think about the idea
Aug 31 15:05:47 <khiraly1> you need to set scale(1,1), and also need to update the x coordinates
Aug 31 15:06:13 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: go ahead welcome robinson!
Aug 31 15:06:26 <robinson> is there a minimal doc somewhere (in sources) or should I read source ?
Aug 31 15:06:35 <dos1> robinson: i want to see more and more and more backends :D
Aug 31 15:06:38 <robinson> (last question and no more bothering)
Aug 31 15:06:42 <dos1> robinson: so go ahead ;)
Aug 31 15:06:47 <robinson> k
Aug 31 15:07:09 <robinson> see ya soon then
Aug 31 15:07:18 <khiraly1> but for calculating the new (unmirrored) x coordinates it requires you to know the width of text object
Aug 31 15:07:36 <DocScrutinizer> robinson: for docs don't hesitate to pester dos1 ;-D
Aug 31 15:07:42 <dos1> robinson: about documentation - there is only slightly outdated dbus API documentation
Aug 31 15:07:57 <dos1> and well... my code isn't well commented ;/
Aug 31 15:07:57 <khiraly1> but if this misalignment is acceptable, delete the scale(-1,1), and also make the x="-530" to x="530"
Aug 31 15:08:07 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: sure, i read the backlog :) I need to think/investigate that stuff a little to be able to tell at least something :)
Aug 31 15:08:19 <dos1> robinson: so when you can't understand anything, ask
Aug 31 15:08:25 <robinson> fine to me
Aug 31 15:08:37 <robinson> thanks for info i'll try to do the stuff
Aug 31 15:08:44 <robinson> bye
Aug 31 15:09:14 <DocScrutinizer> robinson: bye. great you dig into that. any help welcome :-)
Aug 31 15:09:50 <robinson> ;)
Aug 31 15:09:52 <robinson> :p
Aug 31 15:10:26 <khiraly1> you can also see cheat a little: mirror the text and look at the new coordinate in the xml editor. And substract the two x coordinates, and there you are, you know the width of the text object. If all texts are similar (the smae number of chars), it can be doable
Aug 31 15:11:22 <khiraly1> lindi-: using python and lxml you can walk through the .svg file
Aug 31 15:11:53 <khiraly1> if you write an extension it does the same thing. inkscape send you the *whole* .svg card as text , and you receive it via STDIN
Aug 31 15:12:34 <khiraly1> but you can also write external python program too. Just use lxml, thats way, its easy to transform to inkscape extension
Aug 31 15:13:18 <khiraly1> btw, I hardly believe its doable with sed. you need to mainpulate the x coordinates, and sed is not suitable for this
Aug 31 15:13:41 <khiraly1> lindi-: any more questions?
Aug 31 15:14:32 <khiraly1> I advice to you using key combo: tab and H, and thats it
Aug 31 15:15:32 <DocScrutinizer> khiraly1: you sure about what sed can do, when used correctly? if sed can't do, use awk
Aug 31 15:18:06 <DocScrutinizer> but sometimes there's better tools than sed/awk for a particular task :-P
Aug 31 15:18:22 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer: well it's XML :)
Aug 31 15:19:40 <khiraly1> DocScrutinizer: if you have a hammer, then the whole world is a nail
Aug 31 15:20:04 <DocScrutinizer> aah, I heard that one ;-)
Aug 31 15:20:32 <khiraly1> lindi-: if you are interested, I can tell you an another trick;)
Aug 31 15:20:57 <lindi-> khiraly1: too busy, feel free to apply the trick yourself :)
Aug 31 15:21:14 <khiraly1> doh;)
Aug 31 15:21:30 <khiraly1> pass me an url
Aug 31 15:21:31 <dos1> oh
Aug 31 15:21:38 <dos1> i have to break opimd messages domain...
Aug 31 15:21:57 <dos1> tomorrow school starts, so i won't have time again ;x
Aug 31 15:21:58 <lindi-> khiraly1: git clone http://iki.fi/lindi/git/openmoko-component-placement/
Aug 31 15:22:14 <Heinervdm> what's doing this brickshooter bb at the wrong place?
Aug 31 15:22:38 <methril_home> morning
Aug 31 15:22:45 <khiraly1> lindi-: where to exactly?
Aug 31 15:22:53 <khiraly1> give me the exact url for one .svg file
Aug 31 15:22:53 <khiraly1> ;)
Aug 31 15:22:54 <DocScrutinizer> morning methril_home
Aug 31 15:23:08 <lindi-> khiraly1: part3.svg in that git repo
Aug 31 15:23:16 <DocScrutinizer> khiraly1: look at my people folder
Aug 31 15:23:40 <lindi-> khiraly1: can you please use git so that we know who changed and what?
Aug 31 15:24:21 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: he won't upload a edited version to people/joerg/schematics ;-)
Aug 31 15:24:42 <lindi-> no but I made a lot of mistakes and git was handy in being able to recover
Aug 31 15:24:50 <DocScrutinizer> lindi-: so in the end he'll use git anyway
Aug 31 15:24:56 <khiraly1> doh
Aug 31 15:25:07 <khiraly1> gimme the exact url, no magic please
Aug 31 15:25:12 <lindi-> khiraly1: if that is totally impossible i can provide you exact link too
Aug 31 15:25:21 <khiraly1> lindi-: thx
Aug 31 15:25:57 <lindi-> khiraly1: iki.fi/lindi/tmp/Component-placement_Freerunner-GTA02-MB-A6.page3.svg
Aug 31 15:26:15 <lindi-> khiraly1: note that the labels have alpha value of 1 to make them invisible
Aug 31 15:26:19 <khiraly1> I just want to try out my chance;)
Aug 31 15:26:33 <lindi-> khiraly1: you want to set the fill alpha to 255 to actually see the labels
Aug 31 15:27:04 <khiraly1> 2MB?
Aug 31 15:27:35 <DocScrutinizer> so what?
Aug 31 15:30:53 <khiraly1> its huge
Aug 31 15:34:09 <robinson> dos1 : i now look stupid but how do I download opimd sources ? FSO is the specification ? I found no special place where to checkout the sources of opimd. I should I start.
Aug 31 15:34:22 <robinson> I mention that i am using SHR unstable by the way
Aug 31 15:34:37 <robinson> can you help me start ?
Aug 31 15:34:45 <dos1> robinson: git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/framework.git
Aug 31 15:34:58 <dos1> robinson: and then cd framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/
Aug 31 15:34:59 <robinson> thx
Aug 31 15:35:22 <dos1> pimd_* files are pim domains
Aug 31 15:35:27 <dos1> pimb_* files are backends
Aug 31 15:35:36 <robinson> oki
Aug 31 15:35:45 <robinson> anything else i should jknow
Aug 31 15:35:46 <robinson> ?
Aug 31 15:36:06 <Heinervdm> dos1: feed finished?
Aug 31 15:36:15 <robinson> yep
Aug 31 15:36:19 <robinson> i was pretty fast ?
Aug 31 15:36:22 <robinson> it was
Aug 31 15:36:24 <robinson> sry
Aug 31 15:36:31 <robinson> i have the files
Aug 31 15:36:59 <dos1> robinson: in docs/TODO is my TODO list
Aug 31 15:37:04 <robinson> oki
Aug 31 15:37:39 <dos1> "Near future" means i'll do it or i want to do it in few days
Aug 31 15:37:44 <robinson> oki
Aug 31 15:37:49 <robinson> a quick question
Aug 31 15:38:02 <dos1> "In mean-time" means i'll do that when i'll want to do that :P
Aug 31 15:38:08 <robinson> opimd can read several sources at a time easily ?
Aug 31 15:38:14 <robinson> it merges the things ?
Aug 31 15:38:17 <dos1> and others - i don't know when i'll do that and you can do that safely
Aug 31 15:38:19 <dos1> robinson: yup
Aug 31 15:38:26 <robinson> how do you handles sim versus sql entries ?
Aug 31 15:38:35 <robinson> merging
Aug 31 15:38:36 <robinson> ?
Aug 31 15:38:38 <robinson> oki
Aug 31 15:38:42 <dos1> robinson: at boot opimd reads data from every backend
Aug 31 15:38:48 <robinson> oookkkki
Aug 31 15:38:52 <robinson> cool to know
Aug 31 15:38:58 <dos1> robinson: and you can also merge entries from few backends
Aug 31 15:38:59 <robinson> what about live update ?
Aug 31 15:39:23 <dos1> robinson: for instance - you have contact from sim - {'Name': 'dos', 'Phone': 'tel:+48666'}
Aug 31 15:39:41 <dos1> robinson: and from sqlite - {'Name': 'dos', 'E-mail': 'mail:seba.dos1@blahblah.org'}
Aug 31 15:40:11 <dos1> robinson: opimd will combine it in one contact, {'Name': 'dos', 'Phone': 'tel:+48666', 'E-mail':'mail:seba.dos1@blahblah.org'}
Aug 31 15:40:25 <robinson> oki
Aug 31 15:40:28 <dos1> robinson: and adding/updating/deleting is done by dbus calls
Aug 31 15:40:33 <robinson> what if there are several phone numbers ?
Aug 31 15:41:03 <robinson> evolution format have cell,home,work phone number fields
Aug 31 15:41:07 <robinson> this is why i ask
Aug 31 15:41:08 <DocScrutinizer> should all show up
Aug 31 15:41:11 <dos1> robinson: {'Phone': ['tel:+48666', 'tel:+48123']}
Aug 31 15:41:13 <dos1> robinson: OR
Aug 31 15:41:22 <khiraly1> lindi-: uploading 2MB is huge
Aug 31 15:41:27 <robinson> oki
Aug 31 15:41:37 <dos1> robinson: {'Phone': 'tel:+4866', 'Home phone': 'tel:+48123', ...}
Aug 31 15:41:39 <khiraly1> http://khiraly.googlepages.com/comp2.svg
Aug 31 15:41:44 <khiraly1> when it will finish to upload
Aug 31 15:42:07 <khiraly1> and you are welcome;)
Aug 31 15:42:26 <robinson> oki but there is a standard so that gui apps (for instance SHR apps) would know or even ask you what phone number to call ?
Aug 31 15:42:58 <robinson> or should I choose the same name for the fields as evolution db ?
Aug 31 15:43:00 <dos1> robinson: it depends of UI. opimd-contacts asks which phone number to call when there are few available
Aug 31 15:43:12 <robinson> oki
Aug 31 15:44:00 <robinson> but under field name 'Phone' , probably not every reg exp matcing (.*Phone.*)
Aug 31 15:44:24 <robinson> so that syntax 'Phone': ['tel:+48666', 'tel:+48123'] is probably the baest
Aug 31 15:44:27 <robinson> no ?
Aug 31 15:46:06 <lindi-> khiraly1: now it's compressed to 2.3M
Aug 31 15:46:10 <lindi-> khiraly1: now it's compressed to 1.3M
Aug 31 15:46:24 <lindi-> khiraly1: i will be away now
Aug 31 15:46:25 <khiraly1> http://khiraly.googlepages.com/comp2.svg
Aug 31 15:46:30 <lindi-> khiraly1: please /msg me when it is ready
Aug 31 15:46:32 <khiraly1> ^^ here is your finished .svg file
Aug 31 15:47:01 <khiraly1> (17.41.38) khiraly1: http://khiraly.googlepages.com/comp2.svg
Aug 31 15:47:01 <khiraly1> (17.41.43) khiraly1: when it will finish to upload
Aug 31 15:47:01 <khiraly1> (17.42.06) khiraly1: and you are welcome;)
Aug 31 15:47:21 <lindi-> khiraly1: thanks
Aug 31 15:47:41 <khiraly1> (17.47.00) khiraly1: (17.42.06) khiraly1: and you are welcome;)
Aug 31 15:47:59 <robinson> anyway I'll find out from what was done in other backends
Aug 31 16:02:52 <dos1> ok
Aug 31 16:02:56 <dos1> messages domain broken :D
Aug 31 16:03:58 <khiraly1> btw, how to setup ssh, to allow multiple freerunner to use simulteanusly
Aug 31 16:07:29 <DocScrutinizer> khiraly1: ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null root@192.168.0.202
Aug 31 16:08:36 <DocScrutinizer> alas this doesn't work for e.g sftp:// in konqueror
Aug 31 16:09:45 <DocScrutinizer> so I got this one:
Aug 31 16:09:50 <DocScrutinizer> #!/bin/sh
Aug 31 16:09:52 <DocScrutinizer> cd $HOME/.ssh
Aug 31 16:09:53 <DocScrutinizer> cp known_hosts known_hosts-backup-`date +%F_%T`
Aug 31 16:09:55 <DocScrutinizer> grep -v 192.168.0.202 known_hosts >known_hosts~
Aug 31 16:09:56 <DocScrutinizer> mv known_hosts~ known_hosts
Aug 31 16:09:58 <DocScrutinizer> konqueror 'sftp://root@192.168.0.202'
Aug 31 16:10:34 <khiraly1> hmm
Aug 31 16:11:25 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm? :-D
Aug 31 16:11:39 <robinson> dos1 ?
Aug 31 16:11:39 <khiraly1> I always get no route to host
Aug 31 16:11:39 <khiraly1> I have eth0 and eth3, dunno which one is the right one
Aug 31 16:11:39 <khiraly1> it was way better, when it was always usb0
Aug 31 16:11:47 <robinson> just a quick last question
Aug 31 16:12:04 <robinson> how do i force opimd to relauch/reload the backends
Aug 31 16:12:13 <DocScrutinizer> ok lemme post the neo-ssh full script as well
Aug 31 16:12:16 <robinson> (not to restart fr all the time)
Aug 31 16:12:41 <DocScrutinizer> #!/bin/sh
Aug 31 16:12:42 <DocScrutinizer> #DEV=usb0
Aug 31 16:12:44 <DocScrutinizer> DEV=${1:-eth4}
Aug 31 16:12:45 <DocScrutinizer> echo $DEV
Aug 31 16:12:47 <DocScrutinizer> /sbin/ifconfig $DEV 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
Aug 31 16:12:48 <DocScrutinizer> /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev $DEV
Aug 31 16:12:50 <DocScrutinizer> ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null root@192.168.0.202
Aug 31 16:13:01 <dos1> robinson: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop; /etc/init.d/frameworkd stop; /etc/init.d/frameworkd start; /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start
Aug 31 16:13:02 <DocScrutinizer> me dumbass
Aug 31 16:13:24 <robinson> oki thanks
Aug 31 16:13:47 <DocScrutinizer>  DEV=${1:-eth4};  /sbin/ifconfig $DEV 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0; /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev $DEV;  ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null root@192.168.0.202
Aug 31 16:13:51 <robinson> actually i just saw that pimlico is using VCARD system
Aug 31 16:14:03 <robinson> So i'll make a try on it
Aug 31 16:14:15 <robinson> (unless something is already done)
Aug 31 16:14:25 <khiraly1> DocScrutinizer: could you please pastebin it?
Aug 31 16:14:32 <robinson> (which i don't think from pimb files)
Aug 31 16:14:35 <DocScrutinizer> as well
Aug 31 16:15:00 <DocScrutinizer> http://pastebin.com/f63729c4e
Aug 31 16:15:41 <khiraly1> DocScrutinizer: what is DEV=${1:-eth4} ?
Aug 31 16:15:57 <khiraly1> I always get eth4, when I run it
Aug 31 16:16:22 <DocScrutinizer> the default for parameter $1 if not given
Aug 31 16:17:02 <DocScrutinizer> you may invoke with `neo-ssh` which gives you eth4 here, or with `neo-ssh eth2` or whatever
Aug 31 16:18:01 <khiraly1> and how can I determine on which eth device are neo currently?
Aug 31 16:18:16 <CIA-53> SHR: thomas opimd-utils * r118627d65bad /setup.py: Add german translation to setup.py
Aug 31 16:18:18 <CIA-53> SHR: thomas opimd-utils * r43d5d72c6aae /data/po/ (de/opimd-dates.mo de/opimd-dates.po opimd-dates.pot): Add german translation for opimd-dates
Aug 31 16:19:06 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, lemme see.... something like `tail -n 30 /var/log/messages|grep usb` or sth like hat
Aug 31 16:19:45 <DocScrutinizer> or you do it once by hand, and write he ethX on a tag on your device ;-P
Aug 31 16:19:57 <khiraly1> yesterday it was eth2
Aug 31 16:20:07 <khiraly1> now I have eth0 and eth3 on ifconfig
Aug 31 16:20:15 <DocScrutinizer> strange
Aug 31 16:20:15 <khiraly1> is there some hald command for it?
Aug 31 16:20:22 <DocScrutinizer> dunno
Aug 31 16:20:29 <khiraly1> or a rule for it
Aug 31 16:22:29 <blindcoder> khiraly1: ifrename
Aug 31 16:22:48 <khiraly1> ifrename? no such command
Aug 31 16:23:21 <blindcoder> search your distribution for it
Aug 31 16:23:30 <blindcoder> http://linux.die.net/man/8/ifrename
Aug 31 16:23:38 <DocScrutinizer> khiraly1: for your convenience I placed them on http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/
Aug 31 16:24:52 <khiraly1> [118538.213484] udev: renamed network interface eth1 to eth3
Aug 31 16:24:56 <khiraly1> ^^ watta hel
Aug 31 16:24:56 <khiraly1> l
Aug 31 16:24:58 <DocScrutinizer> feel free to add a link somewhere in wiki where you feel it fits
Aug 31 16:26:10 <khiraly1> ok, another question: For you too, neo disconnects after 10-20 sec when you plug in the cable?
Aug 31 16:26:15 <khiraly1> it is rather annoying
Aug 31 16:26:52 <BluesLee> dos1: ping
Aug 31 16:27:25 <khiraly1> 1. you connect the neo
Aug 31 16:27:33 <khiraly1> 2. you issue the command: sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev ethX
Aug 31 16:27:55 <khiraly1> 3. you ssh into the neo, and after 10-20 sec it just hangs, and you need to reissue the above command
Aug 31 16:28:05 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Aug 31 16:29:08 <khiraly1> it is f*cking annoying
Aug 31 16:29:21 <khiraly1> cant really teach my gf, how to connect the freerunner to the laptop
Aug 31 16:29:22 <DocScrutinizer> I think that's fsckng KNetworkManager
Aug 31 16:29:28 <khiraly1> I use gnome
Aug 31 16:29:57 <DocScrutinizer> so GNetworkManager then :-P
Aug 31 16:30:03 <khiraly1> doh;)
Aug 31 16:30:45 <khiraly1> I would prefer an udev way. you plug in the device, it gets the interface, and you can simply ssh in using a terminal or nautilus/konqueror
Aug 31 16:30:54 <khiraly1> and no disconnecting
Aug 31 16:32:48 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: seba.dos1 dos/opimd-tracking * r622056a4ebe0 framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (3 files): opimd: Messages: move to GenericDomain
Aug 31 16:35:14 <CIA-53> SHR: thomas opimd-utils * r15d43bbd0f3e /setup.py: fix setup.py
Aug 31 16:48:34 <khiraly1> dos1: ping
Aug 31 16:49:58 <dos1> khiraly1: pong
Aug 31 16:53:08 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: seba.dos1 dos/opimd-tracking * r42c6e5c54490 framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: fix copy'n'paste issues
Aug 31 16:55:32 <khiraly1> dos1: shr improved vastly. Last time I tried it out 2009-05-03, all phone applications launched more then 10 sec. Now its about 2-4 sec.
Aug 31 16:55:44 <khiraly1> what is this opimd-calendar thingy?
Aug 31 16:56:22 <dos1> opimd-calendar?
Aug 31 16:56:25 <dos1> you mean opimd-dates?
Aug 31 16:58:12 <khiraly1> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f28dd366a1fd68687049b2d146eb778e.png
Aug 31 16:58:16 <khiraly1> this one
Aug 31 16:58:33 <dos1> yup, it's opimd-dates
Aug 31 16:58:44 <dos1> implemented by Heinervdm
Aug 31 16:58:48 <dos1> now also part of opimd-utils
Aug 31 16:58:50 <khiraly1> dates like dating with someone? Who the hell needs a list for this?
Aug 31 16:58:52 <khiraly1> ;)
Aug 31 16:59:09 <dos1> :D
Aug 31 16:59:56 <khiraly1> and there are also weird polish girlname on the screenshot: Wielkie, Spokojny
Aug 31 17:00:10 <khiraly1> girlname -> girl names
Aug 31 17:00:15 <Heinervdm> It's not easy to koordinate the dates if you date more then 5 women
Aug 31 17:00:56 <khiraly1> Heinervdm: especially handling the collision between them
Aug 31 17:00:56 <khiraly1> ;)
Aug 31 17:01:21 <Heinervdm> yes, collision handling wasn't that easy ;)
Aug 31 17:01:31 <khiraly1> anyway, could you gimme some details how this stuff works?
Aug 31 17:01:41 <khiraly1> the gui is just a test gui, or will it become an application?
Aug 31 17:01:57 <khiraly1> Im asking, because I was toying with the idea of writing a date applicatino
Aug 31 17:01:59 <Heinervdm> this is just a test and reference for future work
Aug 31 17:02:06 <khiraly1> just Im thinking in different gui
Aug 31 17:02:30 <khiraly1> so if it works via dbus, I would be definietly interested
Aug 31 17:02:50 <Heinervdm> morphis wanted to write a elementary calendar widget
Aug 31 17:03:15 <khiraly1> I like more the month view
Aug 31 17:03:34 <Heinervdm> if that's is done it will be easier to write sth like that
Aug 31 17:03:50 <dos1> khiraly1: "Spokojny" is male form, and "Wielkie" is non-male and non-female form (don't know work in english ;x)
Aug 31 17:04:00 <dos1> and those aren't names ;D
Aug 31 17:04:08 <Heinervdm> opimd-dates works like all other opimd apps
Aug 31 17:04:09 <khiraly1> I suspected it
Aug 31 17:04:18 <Heinervdm> it's all dbus based
Aug 31 17:04:56 <Heinervdm> you can have a look at it, i put all the dbus logic in an external class at the beginning of opimd-dates
Aug 31 17:05:36 <khiraly1> so adding, deleting searching is all implemented in opimd?
Aug 31 17:06:10 <khiraly1> and can I query it for a day how many events are on it?
Aug 31 17:06:26 <Rategain> can anybody explain me ..what is "Deep Sleep" in GSM
Aug 31 17:06:41 <Heinervdm> khiraly1: the domain itself is still in development
Aug 31 17:06:48 <khiraly1> wtf is domain?
Aug 31 17:07:02 <Heinervdm> khiraly1: you can add, edit, delete and query
Aug 31 17:07:31 <Heinervdm> khiraly1: opimd is devided in domains for contacts, messages, calls ...
Aug 31 17:07:48 <Flyser_> Rategain: deep sleep has nothing to do with GSM. It's just a power saving mode of the calypso
Aug 31 17:07:51 <khiraly1> so can I implement easily a month view, where I query for each day how many events are?
Aug 31 17:08:27 <Heinervdm> khiraly1: sort of, you can query for a day and den ask for the number of results
Aug 31 17:08:30 <Rategain> <Flyser: could u please explain me in detail if possible
Aug 31 17:08:42 <Heinervdm> s/den/then/
Aug 31 17:08:42 <bzzbot> Heinervdm meant: khiraly1: sort of, you can query for a day and then ask for the number of results
Aug 31 17:13:40 <khiraly1> Heinervdm: this opiomd-dates could be used for a todo list too
Aug 31 17:13:47 <khiraly1> just brainstorming
Aug 31 17:13:58 <dos1> khiraly1: there are Notes and Tasks domains
Aug 31 17:14:05 <khiraly1> at+cgmr
Aug 31 17:14:12 <khiraly1> oops not here
Aug 31 17:14:12 <dos1> khiraly1: i think todos are better to manage by Tasks :P
Aug 31 17:14:35 <dos1> khiraly1: [19:06] <khiraly1> and can I query it for a day how many events are on it?
Aug 31 17:14:36 <TeLLuS> Rategain: The chip handeling GSM, calypso can use different power saving modes, one is called  "Deep Sleep"
Aug 31 17:14:37 <dos1> khiraly1: yes
Aug 31 17:14:57 <khiraly1> there are so many thing to do
Aug 31 17:15:30 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: why did you reply me in private? :-o
Aug 31 17:15:38 <khiraly1> doh
Aug 31 17:15:56 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: wasnt on purpose, I just hit on the send button
Aug 31 17:16:07 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: should have pressed "reply all"
Aug 31 17:16:29 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: in my guess editing /etc/network/interfaces should suffice and NM won't interfere.
Aug 31 17:16:56 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: just my freerunners gets different interfaces
Aug 31 17:17:00 <khiraly1> eth2 vs. eth3
Aug 31 17:17:09 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: only once
Aug 31 17:17:13 <khiraly1> so simple interfaces file editing does not solve all the problem
Aug 31 17:17:27 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: udev remembers MAC, just add all FRs you connect to the host there.
Aug 31 17:18:04 <khiraly1> would be nice to have an udev rule for inserting freerunner, which could launch a shellscript
Aug 31 17:18:09 <khiraly1> and also disable nm for it
Aug 31 17:18:38 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: /etc/network/interfaces support starting arbitrary commands and support hotplug, i guess you don't need anything else.
Aug 31 17:19:11 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: also i'm not sure NM is doing anything more than editing the same file, at least it shouldn't interfere.
Aug 31 17:19:24 <khiraly1> and support hotplug <-- and how so? If freerunners does not get the same interface each time?
Aug 31 17:19:42 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: it does
Aug 31 17:20:12 <khiraly1> my freerunners disconnect after a bit of time (20-40sec), and I need to sudo ip adress .... command one more time
Aug 31 17:20:16 <khiraly1> you dont have this problem?
Aug 31 17:20:16 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: exactly the reasoning behind introducing factory partition reading in Qi and shr boot scripts
Aug 31 17:20:47 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: sure not, i just edited interfaces, why don't you try it yourself? ubuntu can't be fucked up _that_ much (i hope).
Aug 31 17:23:22 <khiraly1> does not seem to work
Aug 31 17:23:52 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: how come, can you investigate?
Aug 31 17:23:54 <khiraly1> http://pastebin.com/m675723de
Aug 31 17:24:34 <khiraly1> I did /etc/init.d/networking restart
Aug 31 17:24:43 <khiraly1> I unplugged and replugged the freerunner
Aug 31 17:24:47 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: and?
Aug 31 17:24:51 <khiraly1> 1. ssh, does not work
Aug 31 17:25:19 <khiraly1> 2. autodisconnecting after 20-30 sec (there is a popup message, that: Disconnected. you know the nm-applet do this)
Aug 31 17:25:31 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: no, did you check in dmesg that after plugging in the FR becomes eth3?
Aug 31 17:25:47 <khiraly1> [122030.916608] eth1 (cdc_ether): not using net_device_ops yet
Aug 31 17:25:47 <khiraly1> [122030.918902] eth1: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.1-1, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:6e:10
Aug 31 17:25:47 <khiraly1> [122030.922965] udev: renamed network interface eth1 to eth3
Aug 31 17:25:47 <khiraly1> [122041.848149] eth3: no IPv6 routers prese
Aug 31 17:25:56 <khiraly1> nt
Aug 31 17:26:24 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: looks ok, does interface come up?
Aug 31 17:26:37 <khiraly1> you want ifconfig output?
Aug 31 17:26:41 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: also i'd try disabling NM just in case...
Aug 31 17:27:09 <khiraly1> if I disable nm, we will not communicating anymore;)
Aug 31 17:27:40 <khiraly1> ifconfig: http://pastebin.com/m4e3f2841
Aug 31 17:27:41 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: how come?
Aug 31 17:27:55 <khiraly1> if I disable nm, my laptop will disconnect from wifi
Aug 31 17:28:05 <khiraly1> and I dont remember at all, how to set wep manually
Aug 31 17:28:08 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: so eth3 is up but no ip
Aug 31 17:28:08 <khiraly1> and dhcp
Aug 31 17:28:23 <khiraly1> can be
Aug 31 17:28:44 <khiraly1> should I restart nm? Im pretty sure it messes with me
Aug 31 17:29:19 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: you should know better, i never dared to use it on any of my systems.
Aug 31 17:29:52 <khiraly1> I use it since half a year or so
Aug 31 17:30:12 <khiraly1> but I totally forgot all the command line thing for connecting
Aug 31 17:30:22 <khiraly1> and all my scripts are on my old laptop, which I cant switch on
Aug 31 17:31:50 <khiraly1> heh
Aug 31 17:32:20 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: seba.dos1 framework * r64c827a46d42 /framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: fix returning multiple fields with the same data after merging
Aug 31 17:32:51 <khiraly1> ok the story is like this: when I plug the freerunner, it gets the ip address, but it will be removed (by networkmanager i think) after 5-10 sec, and networkmanager begins to search for ip address
Aug 31 17:33:02 <khiraly1> after a min or so, it reports "disconnected"
Aug 31 17:33:31 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: so configure your nm to not mess with it.
Aug 31 17:33:53 <khiraly1> dunno how to do it, and google is full of whining
Aug 31 17:42:49 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: (your second mail) i very much don't like your approach to configuring network interfaces ;)
Aug 31 17:43:10 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: direct you critics to DocScrutinizer;)
Aug 31 17:43:31 <DocScrutinizer> huh???
Aug 31 17:43:51 <Heinervdm> I can't bitbake libframeworkd-phonegui-efl it tries to fetch some LOCAL revision
Aug 31 17:44:01 <khiraly1> heh
Aug 31 17:44:07 <khiraly1> messing with nm is not much fun
Aug 31 17:48:45 <dos1> Heinervdm: local-builds.inc? ;)
Aug 31 17:48:53 <DocScrutinizer> how come I get blame for not knowing what?
Aug 31 17:49:36 <dos1> mickeyl: all opimd domains are now based on GenericDomain
Aug 31 17:49:47 <dos1> mickeyl: (Messages was the last one - did it today)
Aug 31 17:50:22 <Heinervdm> dos1: ah, now i know what this comment in local.conf means :D
Aug 31 17:50:25 <mickeyl> dos1: great stuff. need to take a look into it eventually
Aug 31 17:51:24 <dos1> some reviewing would be great. there are lots of hackish tricks which don't know something like "optimalization" exists :P
Aug 31 17:51:37 <khiraly1> ok
Aug 31 17:51:37 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: say something
Aug 31 17:51:37 <khiraly1> ok, I must be offline then
Aug 31 17:51:42 <khiraly1> hmm
Aug 31 17:51:42 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: something
Aug 31 17:51:44 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: i mostly figured out
Aug 31 17:51:51 <khiraly1> just when I plug my freerunner it overwrites the default gw
Aug 31 17:51:57 <khiraly1> so there is no internet connection
Aug 31 17:52:20 <khiraly1> http://pastebin.com/me5cf09
Aug 31 17:52:47 <dos1> as my general aim was to "get things working", not to "get things working right and fast"
Aug 31 17:52:54 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: what? you hosts set default route to FR?
Aug 31 17:53:09 <khiraly1> seems so
Aug 31 17:53:28 <khiraly1> maybe Im just noob in /etc/network/interfaces editing
Aug 31 17:53:31 <dos1> but when i see something ugly (well, every thing i did month ago looks ugly now for me :P) i try to fix it when possible
Aug 31 17:54:01 <khiraly1> http://pastebin.com/m21cc194b
Aug 31 17:54:37 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: ^^ i dont see, how this should affect the default gateway
Aug 31 17:55:31 <khiraly1> doh
Aug 31 17:55:53 <khiraly1> line 8 f*cks up
Aug 31 17:56:15 <Heinervdm> khiraly1: yes that sets default gateway ;)
Aug 31 17:57:33 <khiraly1> doh
Aug 31 17:58:06 <dos1> address 192.168.0.1
Aug 31 17:58:07 <dos1> gateway 192.168.0.1
Aug 31 17:58:09 <dos1> strange ;P
Aug 31 18:00:12 <khiraly1> hmm, f*cking annoying. It sets the default gw, no matter what I do.
Aug 31 18:03:02 <khiraly11> hmm, dunno why it adds a gateway now
Aug 31 18:03:29 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: probably because you don't use interfaces for your real default gateway?
Aug 31 18:04:03 <khiraly11> yeah, but it depends, because I get the ip adrress (and the gateway) via dhcp via networkmanager
Aug 31 18:04:13 <khiraly11> and I use many different networks
Aug 31 18:05:45 <khiraly11> i got an idea
Aug 31 18:07:43 <DocScrutinizer> "opkg upgrade" - keep fingers crossed (actually very first time :-P )
Aug 31 18:12:47 <DocScrutinizer> NM is a PITA, when it comes to connecting neo
Aug 31 18:14:43 <khiraly11> hmm
Aug 31 18:16:51 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: at least i tried NM on fedora core 11 (i was forced to) and the only problem was that it didn't honored netmask and gateway field when editing interfaces. But when i hand-edited the files, they worked ok, hotplug included. Looked like NM did nothing except not-working gui-way to edit those files.
Aug 31 18:17:39 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: cut&paste from somewhere?
Aug 31 18:18:45 <DocScrutinizer> how long is a standard "fullsize" oplg upgrade supposed to take (excluding dl, due to fast internet access)
Aug 31 18:18:48 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Aug 31 18:21:14 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: I can specify an 'up' line in /etc/network/interface, which is executed verbati mwhen the interface is brought up
Aug 31 18:21:20 <DocScrutinizer> and anything I'm supposed to install manually ?
Aug 31 18:21:55 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: niemiee is said to be borked, I heard?
Aug 31 18:25:01 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: hmm?
Aug 31 18:26:21 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: didn't you say there's a ipkg but that doesn't work?
Aug 31 18:26:36 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: nooo
Aug 31 18:26:50 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: i said that metapackage to install everything niebiee related doesn't work
Aug 31 18:27:05 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: (up line) yes, that's what i was talking about.
Aug 31 18:27:07 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: as it isn't even generated by bitbake
Aug 31 18:27:13 <DocScrutinizer> aah, almost the same :-P
Aug 31 18:27:17 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: theme itself and its packages are fine
Aug 31 18:27:36 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: how to do it? I dunno how to set it, and im messing with it like 20 min
Aug 31 18:27:42 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: how to specify the broadcast?
Aug 31 18:27:48 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: tried reading "man interfaces" already?
Aug 31 18:27:54 <khiraly11> yepp
Aug 31 18:28:03 <khiraly11> there is no mentioning of broadcast
Aug 31 18:28:44 <DocScrutinizer> well at least the opkg upgrade process itself runs smoothly so far
Aug 31 18:28:50 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: broadcast is computed from your ip and netmask automatically i guess
Aug 31 18:29:41 <khiraly11> http://pastebin.com/mf263413
Aug 31 18:29:47 <DocScrutinizer> still wondering how long it's supposed to take
Aug 31 18:29:47 <khiraly11> ^^ do you think it is right?
Aug 31 18:32:26 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: no, that route would be added automatically
Aug 31 18:32:50 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: also gateway is incorrect
Aug 31 18:33:08 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: and broadcast is unnecessary
Aug 31 18:33:14 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: I want to specify it (up), to NOT add the default gateway automatically
Aug 31 18:33:27 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: it doesn't have any relation
Aug 31 18:34:02 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: your command to add route is "extra", the same route would be added automatically when the interface is brought up.
Aug 31 18:34:18 <khiraly11> I do need the 'up' line, to specify what to do exactly when bringing the interface up. Because if I dont do it, it will bring up a default gateway for me
Aug 31 18:35:15 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: Great to see you follow your call for deleting all network related howtos from wiki and teaching users how to do that right instead ;-P
Aug 31 18:36:18 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: no, the same route you mentioned in "up" is added automatically by the kernel itself no matter what you say!
Aug 31 18:36:46 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: and how can I disable to autoadd a default gateway?
Aug 31 18:37:11 <khiraly11> I thought if I specify what to do exactly, then it will not add more commands ...
Aug 31 18:37:13 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: now that is correct question
Aug 31 18:39:24 <DocScrutinizer> Configuring kernel-image-2.6.29-rc3
Aug 31 18:39:25 <DocScrutinizer> You are not booting from NAND, don't flash kernel into mtdblock.
Aug 31 18:39:31 <DocScrutinizer> :-DDD
Aug 31 18:40:33 <DocScrutinizer> omg, my nerves.... init 6
Aug 31 18:41:36 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: I still believe I need this 'up' line
Aug 31 18:41:52 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: i don't
Aug 31 18:45:22 <khiraly1> ok
Aug 31 18:45:31 <khiraly1> you are right PaulFertser, it does not do the trick
Aug 31 18:51:24 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: seba.dos1 dos/opimd-tracking * r8ed2b2861a44 framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (docs/TODO pimd_generic.py): opimd: fix possible incorrect query results when using _at_least_one mode
Aug 31 18:52:23 <CIA-53> SHR: seba.dos1 opimd-utils * r4fc03f125bad /opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: display and also use for quering Surname and Nickname fields
Aug 31 18:55:47 <dos1> haha
Aug 31 18:56:01 <dos1> slow glamo shows nice effect on my neo ATM :D
Aug 31 18:56:08 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: did you remove the "gateway" line altogether?
Aug 31 18:56:20 <dos1> when scrolling on illume desktop, first column scrolls faster than rest
Aug 31 18:56:28 <dos1> looks quite strange ;D
Aug 31 18:56:38 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: yepp
Aug 31 19:00:17 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: is this revelant http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=96727 ?
Aug 31 19:00:35 <khiraly11> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/139403
Aug 31 19:00:40 <khiraly11> ^^ Im reading this one too
Aug 31 19:02:07 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: but since you don't specify gateway at all i can't see why it can set default gw to anything!
Aug 31 19:02:21 <khiraly11> the same question for me too
Aug 31 19:02:38 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: probably you've forgotten to restart networking after editing.
Aug 31 19:02:53 <khiraly11> nope, I restarted
Aug 31 19:03:03 <khiraly11>  /etc/init.d/networking stop
Aug 31 19:03:11 <khiraly11>  /etc/init.d/NetworkManager stop
Aug 31 19:03:36 <khiraly11>  sudo killall nm-system-settings
Aug 31 19:03:41 <khiraly11> (twicE)
Aug 31 19:03:50 <khiraly11> and after starting them
Aug 31 19:04:34 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: and if I would specify some 'up' line with gateway?
Aug 31 19:04:52 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: what for? You don't need any gateway for USB interface at all.
Aug 31 19:05:05 <khiraly11> thinking to this: up ip route add 192.168.0.1
Aug 31 19:05:15 <khiraly11> for not add additional (default) gateway
Aug 31 19:06:00 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: clearly unnecessary... BTW, have you changed your FR's config to match that? OE's default is host=192.168.0.200
Aug 31 19:06:20 <khiraly11> shr default host is 192.168.0.202
Aug 31 19:06:50 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: this is how i guess your config should look like http://pastebin.com/m5173f243
Aug 31 19:07:01 <DocScrutinizer> FSCK, I borked sth very annoying: need to issue "root@om-gta02 ~ $ /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start" to crank up phone. first start during boot flashs screen for 1/10sec then nottin but console
Aug 31 19:07:04 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: by host i meant your PC, by device FR
Aug 31 19:07:34 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: what a LOVELY batget :-)))
Aug 31 19:08:04 <khiraly11> ahh, I see. I always connected pc -> freerunner, so didnt care much about pc's address
Aug 31 19:09:36 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: anyway have you tried with something like http://pastebin.com/m5173f243
Aug 31 19:10:16 <DocScrutinizer> wooow
Aug 31 19:11:37 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: not working your interfaces file either
Aug 31 19:11:43 <khiraly1> http://pastebin.com/m39a40947
Aug 31 19:11:56 <khiraly1> ^^ but at least its sure that the interfaces file is correctly reread
Aug 31 19:12:09 <khiraly1> s/correctly//
Aug 31 19:12:10 <bzzbot> khiraly1 meant: ^^ but at least its sure that the interfaces file is  reread
Aug 31 19:12:44 <khiraly1> http://pastebin.com/m57f3f2dd <-- interfaces file
Aug 31 19:12:57 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: you already had 192.168.0.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth3
Aug 31 19:13:20 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: before plugging in, that's the route you need
Aug 31 19:13:30 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: after plugging in it's the same, because it's the route you need
Aug 31 19:13:59 <khiraly1> ok, sorry, I didnt post the full console log
Aug 31 19:14:17 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: Oh btw!
Aug 31 19:14:25 <khiraly1> http://pastebin.com/m653861d
Aug 31 19:14:30 <khiraly1> ^^ there were no eth3 device
Aug 31 19:14:32 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: did you add eth3 to the NM blacklist?!
Aug 31 19:14:35 <khiraly1> before i plugged in
Aug 31 19:15:08 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: how to do it?
Aug 31 19:15:21 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: so you didn't? shame on you ;)
Aug 31 19:17:36 <khiraly1> nope, not correct. For having /etc/network/interfaces file and networkmanager coexist, I needed to set networkmanager's ifupdown plugin to managed mode
Aug 31 19:18:04 <khiraly1> I post the /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf too
Aug 31 19:18:32 <khiraly1> http://pastebin.com/m3d240471
Aug 31 19:18:58 <khiraly1> before it, was managed=false. That way it didnt honored the interfaces file settings
Aug 31 19:19:55 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: yes you need to set managed=false for sure
Aug 31 19:19:59 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: read https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/291564
Aug 31 19:20:44 <khiraly1> hmm
Aug 31 19:21:02 <khiraly1> ok, I change back to managed=false, and retry
Aug 31 19:21:25 <khiraly1> how can I backlist a device?
Aug 31 19:21:30 <khiraly1> eth2 in my case
Aug 31 19:23:34 <khiraly1> hmm
Aug 31 19:23:38 <khiraly1> still there PaulFertser?
Aug 31 19:23:42 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: you can leave your FR connected, open NM applet, there find eth2 and set it to unmanaged?
Aug 31 19:24:18 <khiraly1> http://pastebin.com/m35265267
Aug 31 19:24:34 <khiraly1> it works now, except the initial error message (failed to bring up eth3)
Aug 31 19:25:08 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: so?
Aug 31 19:25:46 <khiraly1> so far thank you;)
Aug 31 19:27:54 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: here?
Aug 31 19:27:58 <khiraly1> summary: http://pastebin.com/f578b6d3b
Aug 31 19:29:48 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: does it work now for you?
Aug 31 19:29:51 <khiraly1> btw, thank you very much for your help. If you wouldnt force me, I would never finish this configuration by myself
Aug 31 19:29:58 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: yepp, it seems to work
Aug 31 19:30:06 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: hehe :D
Aug 31 19:30:08 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: :P
Aug 31 19:30:29 <DocScrutinizer> loool
Aug 31 19:30:51 <DocScrutinizer> there never was any doubt
Aug 31 19:31:11 <khiraly1> hmm, I missed some texts. I was offline from times to times ...
Aug 31 19:31:34 <CIA-53> SHR: seba.dos1 opimd-utils * r1157ac08e569 /opimd-notes: opimd-notes: set some boxes as homogenous
Aug 31 19:31:54 <DocScrutinizer> actual shr-u upgrade is so shiny. I'm amazed
Aug 31 19:32:25 <khiraly1> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.Nochannel: Modem does not provide this channel.
Aug 31 19:32:26 <khiraly1> hehh
Aug 31 19:32:46 <khiraly1> ok, I just restart the freerunner
Aug 31 19:33:23 <DocScrutinizer> dates, woow
Aug 31 19:35:13 <khiraly1> DocScrutinizer: give us some screenshot;)
Aug 31 19:35:14 <DocScrutinizer> even notes
Aug 31 19:35:34 <DocScrutinizer> I bet there are plenty
Aug 31 19:36:51 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer's upgraded to the final dos1's delicios opimd-utils, yay :D dos1, get ready for spanking
Aug 31 19:37:07 <DocScrutinizer> hehehehe
Aug 31 19:37:22 <DocScrutinizer> really delicious
Aug 31 19:37:57 <DocScrutinizer> what's a tiny nuissance then of opimd-msgs wider than the screen... :-)
Aug 31 19:38:14 <PaulFertser> I wished i had something fancy on debian :( for now it's only ad hoc installed niebie illume theme which badly unmatches zhone.
Aug 31 19:38:20 <PaulFertser> (and all other apps of course)
Aug 31 19:38:20 <DocScrutinizer> I'm sure that's easily fixed
Aug 31 19:40:08 <CIA-53> SHR: seba.dos1 opimd-utils * r4afd983a2593 /opimd_utils/opimd_reply.py: opimd_reply: make some boxes homogenous
Aug 31 19:40:45 <dos1> DocScrutinizer:
Aug 31 19:40:47 <dos1> ~opimd-messages
Aug 31 19:40:47 <bzzbot> hmm... opimd-messages is crap, and that won't change soon
Aug 31 19:40:49 <dos1> :D
Aug 31 19:40:58 <DocScrutinizer> baah
Aug 31 19:41:08 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: apps supposed to be finished are opimd-cli and opimd-notes ;)
Aug 31 19:41:13 <DocScrutinizer> fishing for compliments
Aug 31 19:41:25 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: almost finished opimd-contacts, opimd-notifier
Aug 31 19:41:32 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: oh my god. When restarting freerunner, the interface is correctly bring up for the second usb insert
Aug 31 19:41:52 <dos1> but opimd-messages is as is. i didn't really started to work at it at all.
Aug 31 19:41:54 <bumbl> dos1: and i wanted to ask you whether there are any images with opimd-utils preinstalled because the scaps look good
Aug 31 19:42:04 <DocScrutinizer> talking bout notifiers. got a nice one and a silly one concurrently
Aug 31 19:42:18 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: what am i supposed to do about it? ;)
Aug 31 19:42:25 <dos1> bumbl: SHR has opimd-notes included in image
Aug 31 19:42:31 <khiraly1> just wanted to notify you
Aug 31 19:42:44 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: i sometimes have problems on all my machines with FR not visible the first time i plug it in. No matter if i restart it or not.
Aug 31 19:42:46 <bumbl> dos1: there is a new image? nice
Aug 31 19:42:52 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: looks like FR kernel issue
Aug 31 19:43:01 <bumbl> i'll change it again
Aug 31 19:43:10 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: doh. It got removed the eth3 ip address after some time
Aug 31 19:43:32 <dos1> bumbl: well, there is no image :D
Aug 31 19:43:51 <dos1> bumbl: it's included in task-shr ;)
Aug 31 19:43:55 <dos1> so it'll be in next image
Aug 31 19:44:01 <bumbl> ok
Aug 31 19:44:04 <dos1> and should be installed automaticly by opkg upgrade
Aug 31 19:44:12 <dos1> (on old images)
Aug 31 19:44:24 <DocScrutinizer> the best news: upgrade went flawlessly
Aug 31 19:44:31 <bumbl> dos1: i hate upgrading
Aug 31 19:45:13 <khiraly1> heh, its a neverending project
Aug 31 19:45:27 <khiraly1> it gets removed no matter how many times I unplug and replug it
Aug 31 19:46:23 <dos1> i hate flashing
Aug 31 19:47:04 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: haha, that's due to my good hand to buildhost :D
Aug 31 19:47:10 <dos1> ;)
Aug 31 19:47:45 <DocScrutinizer> I hate xserver borks on startup since I messed around with /bin/sh symlink
Aug 31 19:48:37 <khiraly1> restarting /etc/init.d/networking solves the issue
Aug 31 19:48:44 <khiraly1> dunno why I need to resart it
Aug 31 19:49:19 <Arigead> is it possible for joe public to get hold of opimd-messages source and start playing with it?
Aug 31 19:50:01 <khiraly1> each time I replug the freerunner I need to restart /etc/init.d/networking
Aug 31 19:50:05 <dos1> Arigead:
Aug 31 19:50:07 <dos1> ~opimd-messages
Aug 31 19:50:07 <bzzbot> opimd-messages is, like, crap, and that won't change soon
Aug 31 19:51:18 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: you miss allow-hotplug!
Aug 31 19:51:18 <Arigead> I can accept that it's crap but I assume that it'll take some work to fix it up. I'd like to try and help out.
Aug 31 19:51:20 <bumbl> hmm well anyway: dos1: good work keep going
Aug 31 19:51:29 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: no, just allow-hotplug
Aug 31 19:51:53 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: like this one?:
Aug 31 19:51:58 <bumbl>  /me discovered the nice autogeneration capabilities of umbrello
Aug 31 19:52:02 <dos1> Arigead: git.shr-project.org, opimd-utils.git repo
Aug 31 19:52:35 <khiraly1> http://pastebin.com/m3ae369e1
Aug 31 19:52:49 <dos1> Arigead: if you want commit access - just ask for it :)
Aug 31 19:52:49 <Arigead> dos1 thanks I'll try and make sense of it all
Aug 31 19:53:19 <Arigead> dos1: don't hold your breadth for a commit but I hope I can help out
Aug 31 19:53:25 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: no, check "man interfaces" for proper allow-hotplug example please
Aug 31 19:54:03 <dos1> Arigead: ok :) i don't use opimd-messages at all. i planned to do it something like om2007.2 was
Aug 31 19:55:36 <max_posedon> khiraly1, OS?
Aug 31 19:55:54 <max_posedon> ah, I see. now
Aug 31 19:56:06 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: there is no proper example. Ie. it does not specify if auto eth3 and allow-hotplug eth3 are complements or not
Aug 31 19:56:08 <khiraly1> max_posedon: ubunut
Aug 31 19:56:29 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: i think you want only allow-hotplug eth3, no auto eth3
Aug 31 19:56:31 <naeg> how do you guys create the jffs2 images? like this: http://wiki.davincidsp.com/index.php/Create_a_JFFS2_Target_Image
Aug 31 19:57:32 <PaulFertser> naeg: it's device-dependent btw, esp. flash erase size matters.
Aug 31 19:57:42 <PaulFertser> naeg: do you really need an example for gta02?
Aug 31 19:57:59 <naeg> PaulFertser: would be great :)
Aug 31 19:58:31 <DocScrutinizer> ubunut is almost as nice as buntkuh
Aug 31 19:58:59 <khiraly11> nice
Aug 31 19:59:07 <khiraly11> does not work this allow-hotplug thing
Aug 31 19:59:27 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: are you running netplugd or something?
Aug 31 19:59:48 <khiraly11>  4644 ?        00:04:58 netspeed_applet
Aug 31 19:59:48 <khiraly11>  8098 ?        00:00:00 gvfsd-network
Aug 31 20:00:42 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: because probably for allow-hotplug you need that
Aug 31 20:00:56 <DocScrutinizer> any hints where to look for reasones logged about why xserver borks on boot?
Aug 31 20:01:12 <naeg> google :D
Aug 31 20:01:53 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: hehe: http://asleepfromday.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/udev-and-allow-hotplug-on-ubuntu-and-debian/
Aug 31 20:02:22 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: ubuntu sucks, but that's no news.
Aug 31 20:02:27 <DocScrutinizer> muhaha. probably google also will tell me why xserver-nodm start works when issued via ssh. Just need to know the correct question
Aug 31 20:03:22 <CIA-53> SHR: hersche opimd-utils * r76da147fa96d /opimd-notifier: opimd-notifier: use gettext
Aug 31 20:03:25 <CIA-53> SHR: hersche opimd-utils * r91ef69cffa22 /opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: use gettext
Aug 31 20:03:25 <CIA-53> SHR: hersche opimd-utils * r3d826ccdbb75 /opimd-notes: opimd-notes: use gettext
Aug 31 20:03:42 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: muhahah
Aug 31 20:04:35 <DocScrutinizer> please could someone paste result of ls -l /bin/sh
Aug 31 20:04:51 <khiraly11> on freerunner?
Aug 31 20:04:55 <DocScrutinizer> of an untweaked system
Aug 31 20:04:58 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Aug 31 20:05:50 <khiraly11> busybox
Aug 31 20:06:05 <khiraly11> 7 jan 1 1970 /bin/sh -> busybox
Aug 31 20:06:22 <DocScrutinizer> plain "->busybox"
Aug 31 20:06:27 <DocScrutinizer> l
Aug 31 20:06:35 <DocScrutinizer> aka softlink
Aug 31 20:07:10 <naeg> PaulFertser: do these parameters which werner hopes to be true work?
Aug 31 20:07:35 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: your problems are too mistrerious for me to help, also here on debian nodm is more tricky.
Aug 31 20:07:46 <naeg> talking about http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/distro-devel/2008-January/000105.html
Aug 31 20:07:54 <CIA-53> SHR: hersche opimd-utils * r7e8b83dcd982 / (7 files in 2 dirs): Add german translations
Aug 31 20:07:55 <PaulFertser> naeg: what parameters?
Aug 31 20:08:09 <DocScrutinizer> bbl
Aug 31 20:08:13 <Heinervdm> who is hersche?
Aug 31 20:08:22 <DocScrutinizer> fsck xserver-nodm
Aug 31 20:08:40 <naeg> PaulFertser: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/distro-devel/2008-January/000105.html
Aug 31 20:08:46 <DocScrutinizer> I'd prefer xdm anyway :-P
Aug 31 20:09:38 <PaulFertser> naeg: http://paste.debian.net/45417/
Aug 31 20:11:38 <PaulFertser> naeg: so it looks like sumtool is correct
Aug 31 20:11:45 <PaulFertser> naeg: got the link to current SHR command?
Aug 31 20:12:34 <naeg> PaulFertser: no, and i need sumtool in this case
Aug 31 20:12:45 <PaulFertser> naeg: http://paste.debian.net/45417/
Aug 31 20:12:51 <PaulFertser> naeg: sumtool is optional
Aug 31 20:13:47 <naeg> PaulFertser: yeah, but i read that this increased the speed of flashing
Aug 31 20:14:07 <PaulFertser> naeg: the speed of mounting, not flashing
Aug 31 20:14:33 <naeg> how often is a rootfs.jffs2 mounted? i never did that yet
Aug 31 20:14:48 <naeg> even though i think my current kernel doesn't support that
Aug 31 20:15:00 <PaulFertser> naeg: ROFL
Aug 31 20:15:07 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: it does not solves it
Aug 31 20:15:21 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: sorry
Aug 31 20:15:22 <khiraly11> the problem, that the interface is properly added, but after *REMOVED*
Aug 31 20:15:37 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: i still suspect NM interfering.
Aug 31 20:16:15 <khiraly11> didnt find how to disable devices from networkmanager
Aug 31 20:16:31 <khiraly11> Ok. I will stop networkmanager and try to mess with it
Aug 31 20:16:39 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: there should be "unmanage" button
Aug 31 20:16:52 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: you choose the interface and do "unmanage"
Aug 31 20:17:12 <naeg> PaulFertser: do you rofl about my question or my kernel?
Aug 31 20:17:25 <PaulFertser> naeg: both
Aug 31 20:17:33 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: no such button
Aug 31 20:17:40 <PaulFertser> khiraly11: ask on NM channel ;)
Aug 31 20:17:45 <khiraly11> ;)
Aug 31 20:17:47 <khiraly11> lol
Aug 31 20:18:41 <naeg> PaulFertser: so do you think it would be ok to just create jffs2 image without summary?
Aug 31 20:18:54 <PaulFertser> naeg: it would be ok, yes
Aug 31 20:19:10 <naeg> ok, then thanks once more PaulFertser ;)
Aug 31 20:19:18 <max_posedon> naeg, if you want significally increase rootfs on nand
Aug 31 20:19:19 <PaulFertser> naeg: do those images you create fit NAND?
Aug 31 20:19:27 <max_posedon> you should switch to ubifs
Aug 31 20:19:31 <PaulFertser> naeg: e.g. Debian doesn't
Aug 31 20:19:39 <max_posedon> its async, and muuuuuch faster
Aug 31 20:19:44 <naeg> PaulFertser: well that's my plan
Aug 31 20:20:06 <PaulFertser> max_posedon++
Aug 31 20:20:19 <naeg> ok, i just need to read about ubifs first ;)
Aug 31 20:21:09 <naeg> max_posedon: but this only increases the speed of how fast i make a image?
Aug 31 20:21:34 <max_posedon> nope, it will increase read/write speef
Aug 31 20:21:37 <max_posedon> *speed
Aug 31 20:22:02 <naeg> PaulFertser: why don't they support NAND? i just wanted to create jffs2 images of our basesystem and flash them on my neo
Aug 31 20:22:05 <khiraly1> doh
Aug 31 20:22:10 <max_posedon> and postponed writing will make neo more usable
Aug 31 20:22:12 <naeg> won't this work that easiyl?
Aug 31 20:22:15 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: you are right network manager messes with me
Aug 31 20:22:27 <khiraly1> halting networkmanager solves all my problem
Aug 31 20:22:32 <naeg> max_posedon: so you mean to swtich to ubifs on neo?
Aug 31 20:22:54 <max_posedon> yes
Aug 31 20:23:07 <naeg> ah, this makes more sense to me. i will talk to the others about that
Aug 31 20:24:03 <PaulFertser> naeg: /me uses rootfs from uSD on ext3
Aug 31 20:26:26 <naeg> ok i will package ubifs, so people can decide if they want to use it or not ;)
Aug 31 20:26:54 <max_posedon> don't forget package kernel with ubifs support
Aug 31 20:28:39 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: what's the reason for not including it in our defconfig?
Aug 31 20:29:28 <max_posedon> if I not mistaken 2.6.29 not fully ready
Aug 31 20:29:50 <max_posedon> some patches required, mweaster thought about this, but as I know not finished
Aug 31 20:30:06 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: ah, so it'll change with .31 then.
Aug 31 20:32:36 <tmzt> PaulFertser: http://blog.crozat.net/2009/08/nokia-n900-not-impressed-either.html
Aug 31 20:34:23 <PaulFertser> tmzt: looks like this is written from a i-am-writing-apps-for-sale POV.
Aug 31 20:34:36 <tmzt> ah, ok
Aug 31 20:36:03 <PaulFertser> tmzt: compare with openmoko which supports any toolkit, so developers know they're free to choose that.
Aug 31 20:36:05 <tmzt> I was thinking about it, seems Maemo 5 wasn't ready for the planned release of n900, or they changed things after the aquistition
Aug 31 20:36:21 <tmzt> it's still X though, unlike Pre, android, iPhone, etc.
Aug 31 20:36:58 <PaulFertser> tmzt: (X) yeah, that's a good thing. Let's see what some other company will come up with really soon.
Aug 31 20:37:49 <PaulFertser> tmzt: it will be iphone3g-like specd, with good kernel, X and some proprietary components. Looks like it can be an alternative to n900.
Aug 31 20:38:38 <PaulFertser> tmzt: esp. considering raster is consulting them.
Aug 31 20:40:10 <PaulFertser> raster: btw, ofono folks promised full open-source support of the modem inside n900 in 4-5 months (uses SSI interface, requires knowledge of ISI protocol, phonet is already opened).
Aug 31 20:41:02 <naeg> PaulFertser: my mkfs.jffs2 doesn't support --no-cleanmarkers
Aug 31 20:41:06 <naeg> is this bad?
Aug 31 20:41:10 <PaulFertser> naeg: no idea
Aug 31 20:41:46 <DocScrutinizer> ok, the whole darn phone is coming to a grinding halt. intone took 10min to load
Aug 31 20:41:52 <naeg> which are you using? i took the one from readhat and make'd it
Aug 31 20:42:30 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: not that successful update after all... you should have ask dos1, he's an upgrading expert.
Aug 31 20:42:39 <PaulFertser> naeg: OE builds it itself.
Aug 31 20:42:40 <DocScrutinizer> blue light, batget shows white and chrgflash
Aug 31 20:44:07 <DocScrutinizer> now waiting for topbar to eventually show up to kill intone. but taking in account I hit it 15min ago, and also preseed power 10min ago, I guess there's not much hope
Aug 31 20:44:32 <PaulFertser> naeg: OE gets mkfs.jffs2 from git://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git;protocol=git;tag=${TAG}
Aug 31 20:45:11 <DocScrutinizer> clock shows 22:22, now it's 22:44
Aug 31 20:45:44 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: can you ssh in to try to see how hogs what?
Aug 31 20:45:58 <naeg> i try it at first with this one, if it works it works :)
Aug 31 20:46:07 <DocScrutinizer> I wouldn't even think about it
Aug 31 20:47:51 <DocScrutinizer> BAAAHH
Aug 31 20:49:09 <DocScrutinizer> Aug 31 22:48:56 halley kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
Aug 31 20:49:10 <DocScrutinizer> Aug 31 22:48:56 halley kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
Aug 31 20:49:12 <DocScrutinizer> Aug 31 22:48:56 halley kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
Aug 31 20:49:13 <DocScrutinizer> Aug 31 22:48:57 halley kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
Aug 31 20:49:15 <DocScrutinizer> Aug 31 22:48:57 halley kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
Aug 31 20:49:16 <DocScrutinizer> Aug 31 22:48:57 halley kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
Aug 31 20:49:18 <DocScrutinizer> Aug 31 22:48:57 halley kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2
Aug 31 20:50:04 <DocScrutinizer> 8sec powerbutton still worked :-)
Aug 31 20:50:39 <DocScrutinizer> naty SH*T
Aug 31 20:51:06 <PaulFertser> BTW, has everybody already seen the great news on LAKML?
Aug 31 20:51:28 <PaulFertser> Harald officially announced he's helping samsung to become sane wrt linux support for their SoCs.
Aug 31 20:51:47 <DocScrutinizer> that's news?
Aug 31 20:51:48 <PaulFertser> Like other vendors (ti, atmel) already do.
Aug 31 20:52:11 <PaulFertser> So samsung is no seriously committed to push all the work and support upstream.
Aug 31 20:52:17 <PaulFertser> s/no /now/
Aug 31 20:52:19 <bzzbot> PaulFertser meant: So samsung is nowseriously committed to push all the work and support upstream.
Aug 31 20:52:49 <DocScrutinizer> fsck, "SHR -- booting"... for 0.5sec
Aug 31 20:53:01 <PaulFertser> And that some samsung employees will learn how to properly communicate on MLs etc.
Aug 31 20:53:15 <DocScrutinizer> muhahaha
Aug 31 20:54:12 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: still the first attempted was much saner than most letters of TPE OM.
Aug 31 20:55:14 <DocScrutinizer> great to hear (probably even more fun to read ;-)
Aug 31 20:56:13 <naeg> PaulFertser: well, my jffs2 image has about 2,1gb, seems like mkfs.jffs2 aborted with "file too large"
Aug 31 20:56:26 <PaulFertser> naeg: :-O
Aug 31 20:57:16 <DocScrutinizer> I *really* **REALLY** LOOOVE the idea to run everything as root on FR >>:-(
Aug 31 20:57:45 <naeg> DocScrutinizer: we don't do it :D
Aug 31 20:57:47 <PaulFertser> That's OE for you!
Aug 31 20:57:50 <DocScrutinizer> mv ~/.profile ~/.profile-away  ->-> everything back to normal
Aug 31 20:58:07 <DocScrutinizer> that's INSANE
Aug 31 20:59:44 <DocScrutinizer> please tell me whom to shoot down now
Aug 31 21:00:03 <DocScrutinizer> yea I know... myself first of all
Aug 31 21:00:37 <DocScrutinizer> how could I *dare* to have a typo in ~/.profile :-((
Aug 31 21:10:18 <Mortak> hi
Aug 31 21:26:01 <Zorkman> mmm onenBmap is still missing
Aug 31 21:26:15 <Zorkman> anybody know if he's dead?
Aug 31 21:36:27 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: still here?
Aug 31 21:39:52 <khiraly11> PaulFertser: I need to use 'manual' instead of 'static'
Aug 31 21:40:17 <khiraly11> just after some fiddling with unplugging and inserting, the udev rules are not executed anymore
Aug 31 21:40:33 <khiraly11> and I dont find a good doc about udev rule tracing
Aug 31 21:49:03 <tmzt> PaulFertser: Samsung?
Aug 31 21:49:35 <tmzt> I don't know, I'm considering not-shipping-with-Linux to be non-supportable unfortunately
Aug 31 21:49:55 <tmzt> cortex isn't even supported by haret yet
Aug 31 22:07:54 <naeg> PaulFertser: with the mkfs.jffs2 from your git it stopped when i had no space left on my hdd
Aug 31 22:08:24 <max_posedon> naeg, should we help you with fixing this issue?
Aug 31 22:09:14 <naeg> max_posedon: would be nice, but wait i will check the args again...
Aug 31 22:09:44 <max_posedon> may be you just add some freespace?)
Aug 31 22:10:06 <naeg> it had over 10gb
Aug 31 22:10:18 <naeg> i executed that:
Aug 31 22:10:21 <naeg> mkfs.jffs2 --little-endian --eraseblock=0x20000 --pagesize=0x800 --no-cleanmarkers --pad -n -o archmobile-base-kernel26-openmoko-2009.08.jffs2 archlinux_arm/*
Aug 31 22:10:31 <naeg> in archlinux_arm/ is the base sys
Aug 31 22:10:51 <max_posedon> so, how it can became that no space on 10G device?
Aug 31 22:10:52 <naeg> so it goes on like archlinux_arm/bin archlinux_arm/boot ...
Aug 31 22:11:25 <naeg> max_posedon: dunno, it doesn't stop until something happens
Aug 31 22:11:54 <naeg> may it's /*?
Aug 31 22:15:03 <DocScrutinizer> hhmm, I had the funny idea to make a backup via sftp:// today. Damn was that a large rootfs to copy
Aug 31 22:16:26 <DocScrutinizer> on copied bytes exceeding the size of the whole partition i finally stopped it ;-)
Aug 31 22:30:05 <DocScrutinizer> k, let's continue the torture (no idea of who's the tortured one, if that's SHR or me ;-P )
Aug 31 22:37:26 <DocScrutinizer> DocMobilizer: wake up!
Aug 31 22:41:17 <DocScrutinizer> cool, the missing "busy" on GPRS is actually quite desirable behaviour ATM :-)  Suspends in a few seconds after each inbound GPRS (irc)traffic - unless you touch the screen
Aug 31 22:56:41 <max_posedon> hi! is there somebody from FSO team?
Aug 31 22:57:02 <max_posedon> libfsoframework doesn't compiles
Aug 31 22:58:34 <DocScrutinizer> max_posedon: too late here
Aug 31 22:58:52 <max_posedon> ah... I know... but I always have a hope
Aug 31 22:59:48 <max_posedon> and my today's evening was busied bye some German music group)
Aug 31 23:00:04 <DocScrutinizer> heh
Aug 31 23:09:40 <sylvain_> hi!
Aug 31 23:16:44 <DocScrutinizer> moin
Aug 31 23:52:49 <DocScrutinizer> amazing - a klogd -c 4  seems to survive init 6   o.O
Aug 31 23:55:28 <DocScrutinizer> nah, nevermind. I accidentally entered NOR
Sep 01 00:35:41 <wpwrak> lindi-: "I just retyped all the label texts" tough guy ;-)
Sep 01 00:38:27 <DocScrutinizer> yoh
Sep 01 00:38:54 <DocScrutinizer> and fast like hell
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