**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 03 02:59:57 2009 Sep 03 03:17:27 OMG. uBoot actually so FUBAR since somebody tried to "fix" the boot-on-low-bat_charge_stay-under-100mA issue. It's incredible Sep 03 03:18:03 wpwrak: listen to this Sep 03 03:19:17 if you actually run the bat flat to some 3.1V (so system stops), then try to charge, following observations Sep 03 03:19:58 first it happily charges with >100mA (good) Sep 03 03:20:50 after 2 sec it starts to flash AUX and stops charging (at least current drops under 100mA) Sep 03 03:21:26 after 4 flashes (another 2 sec) the flashing stops and charging continues Sep 03 03:22:21 now wait a few minutes to charge up bat above some magic level which is NOT the one uBoot checks for apparently Sep 03 03:22:41 remove and reinsert the usb-jack Sep 03 03:23:17 flashing starts and current is <100mA (or 0, dunno). Sep 03 03:24:46 flashing doesn't ever stop, nor on waiting bat to charge up further, NOR ON REMOVING USB-PLUG. It happily continues flashing *from bat* and refuses to power up or stop that nonsense Sep 03 03:25:10 you finally have to remove bat to stop that Sep 03 03:25:41 ...while nor uboot happily boots up all the way on same circumstances Sep 03 03:26:08 if that's not FUBAR I dunno what is then Sep 03 03:27:32 I strongly recommend to revert all these "augmentations" which were targeted towards charging from 100mA source, and revert to a usually working state as found in 1.3.2-nor-uboot! Sep 03 04:07:21 cool, now it even killed my uSD-rootfs -> kernel panic on mounting rootfs: unknown block 111,4711 Sep 03 04:08:03 >:-(( removing bat on booting isn't a good idea anyway Sep 03 04:11:23 k, so fore sure nobody will wake me by ringing my phone. good Sep 03 04:11:27 gn8 Sep 03 05:54:21 wpwrak: ping Sep 03 06:50:03 DocScrutinizer: (u-boot) sounds pretty crazy ;-) Sep 03 06:58:21 wpwrak: hey Sep 03 07:07:16 PaulFertser: hmm ? Sep 03 07:08:08 wpwrak: i'm concerned with Rask's u-boot patches. Sep 03 07:08:38 wpwrak: it looks like the discussion stopped, no Ack from you and he might be demotivated and frustrated because his patch is still not applied. Sep 03 07:09:34 PaulFertser: ah, let me akc it then. he's too productive :) i always remember that i have something from him in the queue, but it's often many items Sep 03 07:10:13 wpwrak: he's some strange guy but still valueable, we should do something to not loose him :) Sep 03 07:10:41 wpwrak: so, what is the plan? Are you pushing his patches you ack or should i do it? Sep 03 07:10:47 naw, we have to get rid of all those strange guys. immediately. Sep 03 07:11:10 let's start with those who get up at 4 am. arghhh.... Sep 03 07:19:51 PaulFertser: better if you push it as you may actually try it :) Sep 03 07:20:49 wpwrak: i'm not trying u-boot ;) Sep 03 07:23:55 ;-))) Sep 03 07:30:34 morning Sep 03 07:35:24 is mrmoku|away away for holidays? Sep 03 08:49:01 mickeyl: tmzt says some did get gsm audio working on the htc diamond/tp! Sep 03 08:49:55 btw I got GPS working in SHR yesterday, had to remove the AGPS data & wait long enough.. Sep 03 09:04:37 mickeyl: dzo, not did Sep 03 09:37:09 hi Sep 03 09:38:28 hi there Sep 03 09:40:02 rhkfin: paroli runs on shr, just keeps fighting with the shr telephony applications Sep 03 09:40:24 I think angus' modifications is needed Sep 03 09:41:04 and the alsa state files are horrible Sep 03 09:43:25 khiraly1: yes, I noticed that ~ week ago, when Ainulindale succeeded in running it on Paroli Sep 03 09:43:55 khiraly1: For me SHR & it's telephony stuff works better (audio-wise) than om2009&paroli Sep 03 09:45:56 dunno why is that Sep 03 09:46:15 my audio experience is horrible on shr Sep 03 09:46:25 with paroli or shr telephony apps Sep 03 09:49:09 khiraly1: buzzfixed? Sep 03 09:49:16 Ainulindale: yepp Sep 03 09:49:46 Well here it's perfect Sep 03 09:49:48 nice that you are here by the way Sep 03 09:49:56 we can debug it then Sep 03 09:50:02 I doubt that Sep 03 09:50:11 I'm currently ending a contract proposal Sep 03 09:50:22 the /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereout.state vs. Sep 03 09:50:42 /usr/share/shr/scenarii/stereout.state Sep 03 09:50:50 which files belong to what package? Sep 03 09:51:03 I searched for it, but no result Sep 03 09:51:09 opkg search stereout.state Sep 03 09:51:51 doh Sep 03 09:52:30 I need full path to be searchable Sep 03 09:52:33 alsa-scenarii-shr - 1.0+gitr94+30c187f5e691ad383df305257c526402c2aa5ea9-r1 - /usr/share/shr/scenarii/stereoout.state Sep 03 09:52:39 openmoko-alsa-scenarios - 1.0+svnr4970-r1 - /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoout.state Sep 03 09:52:57 rhkfin: still there? Sep 03 09:53:01 khiraly1: pong Sep 03 09:53:08 (working..) Sep 03 09:53:19 you have more experience with these state files then I have Sep 03 09:54:04 khiraly1: I'm using http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/gsmhandset.state - but don't thell DocScrutinize-r, he'll eat me alive.. (it's a bit modified 'official' A7 .state) Sep 03 09:54:24 gsmhandset what I need? Sep 03 09:54:31 for normal talking on the phone? Sep 03 09:54:36 khiraly1: I think yes, that's the one to talk on the phone Sep 03 09:54:45 khiraly1: stereoout is.. hmm.. no idea.. Sep 03 09:54:57 dunno which one should I look into Sep 03 09:55:09 and dunno what program use this file. PAroli direectly? Sep 03 09:55:44 khiraly1: alsa Sep 03 09:55:49 rhkfin: it's supposed that any user modifies his statefile to fit his personal device. Sep 03 09:55:50 that's where alsamixer settings are stored Sep 03 09:55:56 PaulFertser: I know Sep 03 09:56:14 rhkfin: i meant that's exactly the recommended approach :) Sep 03 09:57:12 khiraly1: stereoout is the one used while playing the ringtone or music or when you attach the headphones (frameworkd tweaks one little knob in that case). Sep 03 09:57:43 PaulFertser: yes, right :) in the SHR manual analysis/installation experiences mail I told I installed my own version of .state and got sacked by not telling what does it do / where does it come from / not linking to the a7.state .) Sep 03 10:07:27 khiraly1: then paroli of course has it's own (well, calypso) volume adjustement Sep 03 10:09:10 anyone have any news about onen|openBmap? Sep 03 10:09:15 (names Sep 03 10:09:18 oops Sep 03 10:17:07 doh Sep 03 10:17:27 I always got dbus timeout on my laptop when I wanted to connect to the freerunner via nautilus Sep 03 10:17:50 I restarted dbus (/etc/init.d/dbus restart), but it restarted the whole gui, including gdm Sep 03 10:17:55 I have lost all my open windows Sep 03 10:20:32 ok Sep 03 10:21:02 I have the same scenario file under /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state as what I had on om2009 Sep 03 10:21:20 however usr/share/shr/scenarii/gsmhandset.state differs from it Sep 03 10:32:37 khiraly1: I suppose Paroli and SHR telephone don't use the same .state? Sep 03 10:32:56 or don't know.. Sep 03 10:33:37 (hmm.. I really don't know.. I have no idea if it's FSO that loads the .state files when on call.. If it's I'd guess it uses only the SHR one..) Sep 03 10:33:56 rhkfin: I think it is fso's job to select the state file, at least this is what rules.yaml suggests Sep 03 10:34:15 I overwritten the shr's one with om2009's one Sep 03 10:34:16 right Sep 03 10:34:20 and will try out soon Sep 03 10:34:44 just I want to write a gui for it (to finetune via paroli), and need a clear overview of it Sep 03 10:34:46 that's what I did Sep 03 10:34:58 you already written a gui? please share+! Sep 03 10:35:04 khiraly1: nytowl has hmm.. elmixer? Sep 03 10:35:12 khiraly1: no, not gui but overwritten the SHR statefile Sep 03 10:35:18 yepp, I want to integrate it into paroli Sep 03 10:35:30 right Sep 03 10:35:55 to be able to finetune while talking Sep 03 10:36:13 right Sep 03 10:36:26 (I use ssh & desktop & alsamixer for that :) Sep 03 10:47:53 doh, I managed to put my sim card upside down into the card holder Sep 03 10:48:28 without noticing it Sep 03 10:51:38 does anybody know a website from where I could download mp3 with an image pronouncing some english word Sep 03 10:58:16 wait.. mp3 with an image? Sep 03 10:58:31 or just plain mp3 with english word? Sep 03 11:02:47 grapes.jpg Sep 03 11:02:50 khiraly1: ah, ok, understood (the mail) Sep 03 11:02:51 grapes.mp3 Sep 03 11:02:54 thats it Sep 03 11:04:21 khiraly1: try to get the audio and image separately from wikimedia projects.. Sep 03 11:04:40 or, simply build a project around the idea Sep 03 11:04:47 there are many native speakers in the community Sep 03 11:05:07 If the tool's easy enough to record, why not.. Sep 03 11:05:10 they could download a bunch of image, and could pronounce the word, and the freerunner would record it Sep 03 11:05:33 and automagically upload to a server Sep 03 11:05:41 khiraly1: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Pronunciation Sep 03 11:05:51 And then wikipedia/flickr/other suitable source for images Sep 03 11:05:59 btw, all shr telephony apps crashes without an error message on my phone Sep 03 11:06:04 vanilla shr unstable 08-08 Sep 03 11:06:20 and I did register to my network, I even typed my pin code Sep 03 11:06:26 (and illume shows my provider) Sep 03 11:06:29 khiraly1: I had that too, upgrading & restarting seems to help Sep 03 11:06:44 hmm Sep 03 11:06:47 upgrade? Sep 03 11:06:50 is it safe now? Sep 03 11:07:35 khiraly1: I think so Sep 03 11:07:39 I'be upgraded some 3 times Sep 03 11:07:57 hmm, the screen does not come up Sep 03 11:08:04 khiraly1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Christmas_Tree.JPG and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:En-Christmas_tree.ogg - the work's already done, you only need to combine it :) Sep 03 11:08:05 I press the power button, and nothing happens Sep 03 11:11:16 rhkfin: there are only few examples Sep 03 11:13:14 in wikipedia Sep 03 11:13:18 less then 100 Sep 03 11:44:09 hmm Sep 03 12:09:11 re Sep 03 12:09:21 wha tis angus' mixer programs name? Sep 03 12:14:43 hmm Sep 03 12:21:00 khiraly1: I think it was elmixer Sep 03 12:21:15 I have found it, but Im unable to launch it Sep 03 12:21:37 there is some dbus error, some function (odeviced) does not work anymore Sep 03 12:21:38 http://www.mail-archive.com/support@lists.openmoko.org/msg04800.html Sep 03 12:21:41 :/ Sep 03 12:25:34 hmm, it is some newer version, because what I found was based still on gtk Sep 03 12:25:42 this one is based onto elementary Sep 03 12:28:28 ok, it does not work either Sep 03 12:30:27 I think he has it 'hosted' somewhere, can't find it.. Sep 03 12:31:13 audio_obj = self.bus.get_object('org.freesmartphone.odeviced', '/org/freesmartphone/Device/Audio') Sep 03 12:31:20 this one does not work Sep 03 12:31:33 khiraly1: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Volume_Control Sep 03 12:31:45 aka http://handheldshell.com/pymixer.py Sep 03 12:32:16 Don't know, if it's written for om200x it tries to load the .state files from openmoko/scenarios, not from shr/screnarii.. Sep 03 12:33:00 rhkfin: thats the old one Sep 03 12:34:01 khiraly1: ok.. Sep 03 12:34:09 If you find somethhing please update the wiki Sep 03 12:34:49 morning Sep 03 12:35:47 DocScrutinizer: hi Sep 03 12:35:50 * rhkfin hides with his files.. Sep 03 12:37:24 DocScrutinizer: do you know where can I find info about fsodeviced and odeviced? Sep 03 12:37:46 freesmartphone.org? Sep 03 12:38:09 the source? Sep 03 12:38:36 I'm not sure there is anything like "info" Sep 03 12:38:39 hi, which package does contain valac? Sep 03 12:40:21 lindi-: heard you're patching uBoot? could you fix the annoying issue I mnetioned this morning while you're at it? Sep 03 12:40:35 stupid question, sorry :D Sep 03 12:41:17 lindi-: basically it's just reverting some patches which messed up everything and didn't do any good Sep 03 12:41:53 agg1n: was the answer "valac" then? ;-P Sep 03 12:42:35 no found it in the package "vala" :o) Sep 03 12:43:15 or sth like opkg list -all-provides|grep valac Sep 03 12:44:11 khiraly1: that error seems to be an error in odeviced, because you can reproduce it with: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/Audio org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.GetInfo Sep 03 12:44:28 Heinervdm: nice to see you!+ Sep 03 12:44:40 Heinervdm: dos1 told me you was triying to compile eve Sep 03 12:44:41 error? Sep 03 12:44:48 audio? Sep 03 12:44:54 khiraly1: i comiled it Sep 03 12:45:00 * DocScrutinizer gets big ears Sep 03 12:45:18 DocScrutinizer: with that mdbus line you will get: /org/freesmartphone/Device/Audio: GetInfo failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.AttributeError Sep 03 12:45:20 Heinervdm: can I install it??!? Sep 03 12:45:30 khiraly1: patch is not applyed Sep 03 12:45:34 mew Sep 03 12:45:34 DocScrutinizer http://pastebin.com/m336c5c2c Sep 03 12:45:49 Heinervdm: is somewhere the eve .ipk file? Sep 03 12:45:52 wanna install it Sep 03 12:46:20 DocScrutinizer: nope, did not patch uboot Sep 03 12:46:33 khiraly1: http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/eve_0.0.2+r41151-r3_armv4t.ipk http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/eve-themes_0.0.2+r41151-r3_armv4t.ipk Sep 03 12:47:25 hmm, you told you have a very common name... :-L Sep 03 12:47:36 Heinervdm: thx Sep 03 12:47:47 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for eve: Sep 03 12:47:48 * libewebkit0 (>= 0.1) * Sep 03 12:47:50 ^^ Heinervdm Sep 03 12:48:17 khiraly1: http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/libewebkit0_0.1-r4_armv4t.ipk Sep 03 12:48:48 khiraly1: all needed packages are in http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/ Sep 03 12:49:06 but do not add this as feed ;) Sep 03 12:49:43 DocScrutinizer: docz! Sep 03 12:49:48 ;) Sep 03 12:49:56 Heinervdm: do you have the patches too? Sep 03 12:49:59 Heinervdm: thanks for the update, anyway it seems it's not exactly an audio error in the sense it would concern me Sep 03 12:50:06 is it simple recipe patches or eve source patches? Sep 03 12:50:09 raster: :-D Sep 03 12:50:45 khiraly1: i did not patch it, i just used a specific svn revision Sep 03 12:51:03 what is wrong with the newest svn? Sep 03 12:51:22 raster: stil KR? Sep 03 12:51:22 khiraly1: it's compiled against a newer webkit-efl Sep 03 12:51:26 DocScrutinizer: yupz Sep 03 12:51:30 kring it up Sep 03 12:51:46 i will now say. i have seen something to beat the omap3 Sep 03 12:51:52 i am officially impressed. Sep 03 12:51:54 Heinervdm: is there any *significant* application which use webkit ? Sep 03 12:52:09 officially impressed. wow Sep 03 12:52:13 khiraly1: and i'm having problems to fetch other revisions then the tag 0.1 Sep 03 12:52:36 Heinervdm: we should just get the newest webkit into shr Sep 03 12:52:48 khiraly1: webkit-efl isn't used by any other app in OE Sep 03 12:52:49 raster: prolly too hot to eat yet? Sep 03 12:52:50 s5pc110. impressive. shame its got an SGX in it :( Sep 03 12:53:02 Heinervdm: so, why cant we update then? Sep 03 12:53:10 it can play full hd video. Sep 03 12:53:16 sgx? Sep 03 12:53:25 khiraly1: there is something strange with the webkit-efl svn Sep 03 12:53:31 khiraly1: imagination Sep 03 12:53:41 hopefully no silicon gfx core Sep 03 12:54:06 Heinervdm: hmm, and what exactly? Sep 03 12:54:12 yes - silicon. sgx (imagnation - same core as in the omap3, well newer moel of it) Sep 03 12:54:29 i am also impressed with the jet. Sep 03 12:54:32 its niiiice Sep 03 12:54:41 jet? Sep 03 12:54:54 got a new private jet ? ;-P Sep 03 12:54:55 khiraly1: git clone git://gitorious.org/webkit-efl/webkit-efl.git and you will see ;) Sep 03 12:55:03 hahahahah! i wish Sep 03 12:55:14 http://jet.samsungmobile.com/ Sep 03 12:55:26 running linux. x11. efl. its good. Sep 03 12:55:26 khiraly1: better do not do it, it's huge Sep 03 12:56:00 Heinervdm: is it possible to change user agent in eve? Sep 03 12:56:03 to iphone 3.0 Sep 03 12:56:21 duh, empty page on N810 :-/ Sep 03 12:56:25 khiraly1: haven't looked at it, but i think so Sep 03 12:56:34 khiraly1: is it working good? Sep 03 12:56:45 relax Sep 03 12:56:47 Im installing Sep 03 12:56:48 ;) Sep 03 12:56:51 :D Sep 03 12:56:53 takes time. A lot Sep 03 12:57:05 webkit is a very big package Sep 03 12:57:15 raster: I assume it's a device then Sep 03 12:57:26 DocScrutinizer: yes Sep 03 12:57:28 http://jet.samsungmobile.com/ Sep 03 12:57:31 a phone Sep 03 12:57:46 raster: isn't it very similar to the samsung galaxy? Sep 03 12:58:03 raster: duh, empty page on N810 :-/ Sep 03 12:58:38 raster: free? Sep 03 12:59:20 raster: i.e. you and harald managed to talk them into a somewhat nicer policy? Sep 03 12:59:30 DocScrutinizer: oooh. lots of flash. thats why Sep 03 13:00:00 yoh, I guessed that Sep 03 13:00:02 Heinervdm: no idea. it'snew. its amoled., it's shiny. its fast. (not c110 fast, but fast) Sep 03 13:00:51 DocScrutinizer: hmm taloked to them about... stuf... that i'm sure has an nda covering it... Sep 03 13:00:51 c110? Sep 03 13:00:56 ks5pc110 Sep 03 13:00:59 err Sep 03 13:00:59 doh what a cryptic language ... Sep 03 13:01:02 s5pc110 Sep 03 13:01:10 SoC model number Sep 03 13:01:17 800mhz arm cortex-a8 cpu Sep 03 13:01:22 and more Sep 03 13:01:43 s5 sure sounds superior to s3 Sep 03 13:01:57 :) Sep 03 13:02:03 it is.... it is. Sep 03 13:02:20 looks nice Sep 03 13:02:22 what do they think and plan wrt zero-clock Sep 03 13:02:35 s5 is a new Samsung branch isn't it? Sep 03 13:03:26 s/branch/processor branch Sep 03 13:03:51 raster: what's the "p" for in s5pcXXX? Any hint? or a mere businessmen's decission Sep 03 13:04:38 what palm pre uses? also what nokia n900 has? Sep 03 13:04:47 i only find this Sep 03 13:04:48 http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=229&partnum=S5P6440 Sep 03 13:04:58 no idea wht the p is for Sep 03 13:05:06 p for penis. it's got a bigger one Sep 03 13:05:13 lol Sep 03 13:05:15 lol Sep 03 13:06:16 looks like they put first at they products and later launchs the SoC to market Sep 03 13:19:49 raster: and it runs an efl based interface by default? - how easy is it to root the linux on it? Sep 03 13:29:00 bumbl: nothing that is relevant to you as it's internal work only atm Sep 03 13:29:12 the jet as in the production model sold doesnt run linux at all Sep 03 13:30:20 have somebody idea why after copying shr from one uSD card to another ophonekitd crashes ? Sep 03 13:33:12 raster: ah ok thought it runs linux by default Sep 03 13:34:07 bumbl: no no. nothing that fun for you guys yet Sep 03 13:34:10 :) Sep 03 13:34:20 just toyz Sep 03 13:36:23 ;( raster: well i still have ~6-10 months till i'll buy a new phone (and as the carrier to which i'd like to change is 3g only i don't have any chance to use the neo then) Sep 03 13:37:01 hhe Sep 03 13:37:05 then wait away Sep 03 13:37:20 as of today our best linux openish phone is the n900 Sep 03 13:37:32 I have ~30 days until I *get* my new phone Sep 03 13:37:32 palm pre a 2ns after that Sep 03 13:37:39 2nd Sep 03 13:37:55 but pre is locked-down (sort-of) and custom ui and more Sep 03 13:38:05 i think i just want "normal linux" thing Sep 03 13:38:06 :) Sep 03 13:38:10 so n900 is it then Sep 03 13:38:16 until somthing else pops up Sep 03 13:40:18 3g-only carrier. Never knew there's a thing like that :-S Sep 03 13:41:06 there is Sep 03 13:41:12 3 in .au is 3g only for example Sep 03 13:41:22 no 3g - no using 3 Sep 03 13:41:22 raster: n900 is even bigger than the moko which is a nogo, DocScrutinizer: that might be because there is no hutchinson 3 in germany Sep 03 13:41:30 and they offer the best data rates in .au Sep 03 13:41:37 well, makes sense if they're in femtocell-business. AFAIK you can't do that on GSM Sep 03 13:41:45 bumbl: well... then you're stuffed. Sep 03 13:42:00 u'll have to wait... Sep 03 13:42:49 here too (Austria is the testing market for hutchinson 3 (drei), at the moment they are again upgrading their capacity + we might get LTE in bigger testing regions next year) Sep 03 13:43:28 (2010 test regions 2011 whole network with LTE) Sep 03 13:45:20 :) Sep 03 13:45:26 well u'll have to wait for 3g stuff. Sep 03 13:45:51 stuff may yet appear. linux is all the rage now. someone will come up with something i'm sure Sep 03 13:48:03 maemo/mer seems most promising to me now, and they have hw which is "good enough" for me and I'll get in 30 days (of there's no delays) Sep 03 13:48:09 yeah and if not i'll get some android blob (it won't kill me for the next two years) Sep 03 13:48:42 DocScrutinizer: report back how good it actually is + photos comparing the size to the neo if possible Sep 03 13:49:01 k Sep 03 13:50:20 bumbl: hold up and see what happens Sep 03 13:50:30 if i know somthing... well i'll say it when i'm allowed to Sep 03 13:50:40 but i have a mess of nda's to adhere to :) Sep 03 13:51:44 raster: take your time Sep 03 13:51:53 anyway Sep 03 13:51:55 snooz time! Sep 03 13:51:59 * raster snooz's Sep 03 13:58:08 Heinervdm: http://laszlo.krekacs.googlepages.com/eve_running.png Sep 03 13:58:14 Heinervdm: http://laszlo.krekacs.googlepages.com/eve_select_text_instead_scrolling.png Sep 03 13:58:48 khiraly1: yes, i don't know why it doesn't scroll Sep 03 14:00:56 Heinervdm: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=c4cd0cc80909030657j271489afv3a5b0c96047844e1%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=enlightenment-devel Sep 03 14:01:02 http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=20090903005558.348e5a54%40onefang.humbug.org.au&forum_name=enlightenment-devel Sep 03 14:01:08 http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=b1f2b8c40909020722t2d33a2c1wd6c1a9a6dacab28b%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=enlightenment-devel Sep 03 14:01:12 http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=c4cd0cc80909020650g67fbead4ldb43a4ae3f003a16%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=enlightenment-devel Sep 03 14:09:32 khiraly1: thats the error i'm getting: Sep 03 14:09:33 git read-tree 0f6ab2ac9d5ba863984f0bd595ab9828e2f7bd0e failed with signal 128, output: Sep 03 14:09:35 fatal: failed to unpack tree object 0f6ab2ac9d5ba863984f0bd595ab9828e2f7bd0e Sep 03 14:22:56 khiraly1: ping Sep 03 14:23:10 khiraly1: I think I have exactly that what you want Sep 03 14:25:35 morphis: pong Sep 03 14:25:41 morphis: awesome! Sep 03 14:25:46 is it in svn now? Sep 03 14:27:08 khiraly1: one minute! Sep 03 14:27:42 Are you talking about calendar widget? Sep 03 14:28:14 Heinervdm: thats the next thing I want to tell you :) Sep 03 14:28:22 :) Sep 03 14:29:20 I am working on it and its going on :) Sep 03 14:29:27 morphis: great Sep 03 14:30:58 khiraly1: only some commit conflict left Sep 03 14:32:10 khiraly1: but then you get the evas.Canvas object for every elementary widget with evas_get() Sep 03 14:36:00 hach git is so wonderful :) Sep 03 14:36:44 khiraly1: checkout r42207 Sep 03 14:38:20 morphis: did you already do anchors stuff? Sep 03 14:39:12 dos1: not until now Sep 03 14:40:24 but should not be that much work Sep 03 14:40:32 maybe I will do this tomorrow Sep 03 14:40:46 Heinervdm: you are the one who wrote opimd-dates? Sep 03 14:41:12 morphis: yes Sep 03 14:41:30 dos1: so I've just misunderstood you :), libframeworkd-phonegui-efl is dead for developement but much alive for users :) Sep 03 14:41:36 Heinervdm: my calendar widget looks nearly like yours currently Sep 03 14:41:48 morphis: that's okay :) Sep 03 14:42:08 hehe Sep 03 14:42:33 but I will refine the details of the control Sep 03 14:42:48 so you can wish about the head title to switch to the next month Sep 03 14:42:51 for example Sep 03 14:43:02 if you have some other ideas, just tell me Sep 03 14:43:42 for me it's just fine, but perhaps khiraly1 has some ideas for paroli calendar Sep 03 14:44:20 http://mm.gravedo.de/tmp/elementary_calendar.png Sep 03 14:44:37 I never looked at paroli's calendar Sep 03 14:44:40 morphis: http://khiraly.googlepages.com/calendar5.png Sep 03 14:44:45 http://khiraly.googlepages.com/calendar4.jpg Sep 03 14:45:06 morphis: I also want to include a zoom feature what the edje demo app, virtual keyboard has Sep 03 14:45:15 morphis: Im checking out svn by the way Sep 03 14:45:23 khiraly1: (svn) ok Sep 03 14:45:33 morphis: nice, i hope you think on a way to mark a day, e.g. with a color Sep 03 14:45:44 so the clicked date field should grow when clicking on it? Sep 03 14:46:06 Heinervdm: I am planing to introduce some more styles for the normal elementary button Sep 03 14:46:14 ok Sep 03 14:46:21 one for normal calendar dates, an one for dates with events Sep 03 14:46:27 morphis: you can click and press your finger while sliding here and there the screen it should work like in virtual keyboard Sep 03 14:46:38 ok Sep 03 14:46:39 the zoomed in day could have many more details displayed Sep 03 14:46:59 morphis: I will implement it in .edc asap. I hope still in this week Sep 03 14:47:22 khiraly1: for what? for paroli calendar? Sep 03 14:47:27 yepp Sep 03 14:47:37 but you can steal it for your calendar widget Sep 03 14:47:53 sure I will :) Sep 03 14:48:12 you steal it from the virtual keyboard? :) Sep 03 14:48:20 not yet, but I will Sep 03 14:48:36 yes Sep 03 14:48:40 hehe Sep 03 14:48:55 just want some modification. So if you lift your finger it should not disappear Sep 03 14:49:05 Heinervdm: I also have some ideas for the day-overview of opimd-dates Sep 03 14:49:06 after some time (a predefined timeout) like 10 sec should disappear Sep 03 14:49:09 with animation Sep 03 14:49:46 if it is implemented right, the day view is not impoirtant allű Sep 03 14:50:01 Heinervdm: why not creating rectangle items, give them a head (the time) in top left corner and then add the events on it Sep 03 14:50:18 morphis: :) thats a bit tricky currently, i made a table with a row for every 10 min's Sep 03 14:50:25 hm Sep 03 14:50:34 I though about creating a new list item with edje Sep 03 14:50:49 morphis: that would be ok to Sep 03 14:50:51 too Sep 03 14:50:54 put that into a elm layout and then swallow other ejde objects into it Sep 03 14:51:09 or you can use the frame widget Sep 03 14:51:34 at best the color of the items is alternating Sep 03 14:51:36 let's see when month view is finished :) Sep 03 14:52:20 hehe :) Sep 03 14:52:36 Heinervdm: and another thing: use the pager widget for creating new dates Sep 03 14:52:56 one page for title and other things, one for start, one for end Sep 03 14:53:06 so you have a wizard for creating a new date Sep 03 14:53:26 btw, did you guys researched what other competitors do? Sep 03 14:53:28 good idea :) Sep 03 14:53:31 like palm pre or iphone? Sep 03 14:53:32 and you don't have all options on one page on a small screen which is even smaller when the virtual keyboard is activated Sep 03 14:53:54 khiraly1: don't exactly know how the palm pre or the iphone do that Sep 03 14:54:08 i have an idea like this in month view to displaying events: Sep 03 14:54:10 but I can imagine that they doing it exactly the way I am thinking about Sep 03 14:56:56 each event is a dot like 5x5pixel, and you fill with the dots the rectangles of the day Sep 03 14:57:10 khiraly1: any ideas how to export paroli contacts? alexxy would like to know.. Sep 03 14:57:27 he he =) Sep 03 14:58:06 * rhkfin wouldn't object himself either.. ignoring the fact that I just wiped my uSD with all paroli data there so I don't have any contacts left to export... Sep 03 15:01:10 rhkfin: ofcourse Sep 03 15:01:19 its in .paroli/contacts dir Sep 03 15:01:36 export as .vcf.. Sep 03 15:01:38 I will write it, as I plan to migrate to opimd Sep 03 15:01:47 ok, nice :) Sep 03 15:01:50 for vcf there is a vcf2paroli tool Sep 03 15:01:58 others posted to the mailing list Sep 03 15:02:14 its a good starting point, it only needs to be implemented the inverse Sep 03 15:02:45 rhkfin: I have successfully installed eve Sep 03 15:02:52 khiraly1: nice! Sep 03 15:02:54 it displays many webpage really fast Sep 03 15:03:04 * rhkfin waiting for the .ipk... Sep 03 15:03:08 but no javascript, no fingerfriendlines :-( Sep 03 15:03:11 rhkfin: there is Sep 03 15:03:24 read back, Heinervdm posted ready-made .ipkgs Sep 03 15:03:47 i installed from ipks too Sep 03 15:03:57 morphis, Heinervdm: http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/in-pictures-every-palm-pre-screen-explained-607521?artc_pg=4 Sep 03 15:04:03 ^^ calendar app in palm pre Sep 03 15:04:21 wow, nice Sep 03 15:04:45 ha! palm has no month view :P Sep 03 15:04:55 we will be better then palm Sep 03 15:05:03 Heinervdm: are you sure? Sep 03 15:05:06 no Sep 03 15:05:07 * rhkfin waiting eve to appear in SHR rpositories... Sep 03 15:05:14 I do not find it either, but cant be that stupid Sep 03 15:05:30 rhkfin: hehh. And after you are waiting for somebody to install it for you? Sep 03 15:05:32 ;) Sep 03 15:05:48 rhkfin: i don't know if it will be build, because it needs webkit-efl and that is about 500Mb of download Sep 03 15:06:05 (14.46.33) Heinervdm: khiraly1: http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/eve_0.0.2+r41151-r3_armv4t.ipk http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/eve-themes_0.0.2+r41151-r3_armv4t.ipk Sep 03 15:06:10 http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr/armv4t/libewebkit0_0.1-r4_armv4t.ipk Sep 03 15:06:30 rhkfin: the above 3 packages are required Sep 03 15:09:11 freesmartphone.org: mickey mickey * r745036ca091c libpersistence/src/ (5 files): replace critical() with proper errors Sep 03 15:11:15 mickey mickey? Sep 03 15:12:22 oh, that's branch Sep 03 15:13:11 deactivating colors was bad ;) Sep 03 15:13:37 Heinervdm: if you'll provide everything needed in shr/import, then i'll launch eve building over night ;) Sep 03 15:14:08 khiraly1: ^ so I think it'll be built :) Sep 03 15:14:15 * rhkfin is away.. Sep 03 15:14:33 dos1: webkit-efl-0.1 is in shr/import and eve patch is wating to be aplied Sep 03 15:16:06 freesmartphone.org: mickey mickey * rea75ddd17e0d libpersistence/ (6 files in 2 dirs): fix namespace and add missing throws statements Sep 03 15:23:17 Heinervdm: so bug someone with commit access to oe ;) Sep 03 15:24:17 bah, i got used to holidays... now after returning from school i'm too tired to develop ;x Sep 03 15:24:29 someone fiddled with the bot Sep 03 15:24:33 colors are fine other channels Sep 03 15:24:33 the hope is in boring lessions ;) Sep 03 15:24:37 hehe Sep 03 15:25:08 mickeyl: no, bot is ok, colors are disallowed on chan Sep 03 15:25:22 ah Sep 03 15:30:06 Heinervdm: ping Sep 03 15:30:21 mickeyl: could you please look at community mailing list? Sep 03 15:30:22 khiraly1: pong Sep 03 15:30:43 Heinervdm: they replied to us regarding to eve Sep 03 15:30:51 gmail is not working because ssl is not compiled Sep 03 15:30:59 Gmail is using ssl, so there must be an issue with curl/openssl installed on Sep 03 15:31:00 your system. Your libcurl have to be compiled with openssl and all root Sep 03 15:31:00 certificates need to be installed (in /etc/ssl/certs/). With that you can go on Sep 03 15:31:00 all https websites with good certificates. For all https websites with faulty Sep 03 15:31:00 certs (self-signed certs), webkit-efl won't load them. To force eve to load them Sep 03 15:31:00 you need to start eve with: WEBKIT_IGNORE_SSL_ERRORS=1 eve Sep 03 15:31:02 oops Sep 03 15:31:32 khiraly1: i always look at the community mailing list. do you mean a special post or just in general? :) Sep 03 15:31:33 yes, curl is compiled without ssl Sep 03 15:31:57 mickeyl: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-September/054545.html Sep 03 15:32:03 Heinervdm: regarding fingerscrolling Sep 03 15:32:26 It was removed in favor of webkit's own finger scrolling, AFAIK you Sep 03 15:32:28 need to enable it during compile time. Sep 03 15:32:45 khiraly1: they've written how? Sep 03 15:33:01 on mailing list Sep 03 15:33:09 I'll pont the whole trhead to pastebin Sep 03 15:33:11 ok? Sep 03 15:33:14 ok Sep 03 15:33:30 Heinervdm: I commited the patch to enable curl a few days ago Sep 03 15:33:37 it might be turned on by now Sep 03 15:33:54 spaetz: hmm, i compiled webkit yesterday Sep 03 15:34:51 http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?h=shr/import&id=4e6b5c46d4389ade89e6692396a65f4e74f6e99d Sep 03 15:36:33 http://khiraly.googlepages.com/eve.html Sep 03 15:40:46 Heinervdm: refresh on the page, I included the .css file Sep 03 15:40:49 its easier to read Sep 03 15:43:45 khiraly1: your using om2009? Sep 03 15:45:02 with latest SHR SSL should work, and for scrolling we have to wait for them to implement it again Sep 03 15:45:35 nope, shr Sep 03 15:45:43 just installed when you gave me the .ipk links Sep 03 15:45:59 khiraly1: updated too? Sep 03 15:46:02 Heinervdm: for scrolling there is a compile time option which enables builtin webkit scrolling Sep 03 15:46:05 yepp Sep 03 15:46:07 todays Sep 03 15:46:15 because shr telephony apps kept crashing Sep 03 15:46:20 now only phonelog crashes Sep 03 15:46:48 khiraly1: with what error? (phonelog) Sep 03 15:46:50 so you already habe libcurl4-7.18.2-r1 Sep 03 15:47:10 and khiraly1: did you read last mail? it says there is no builtin webkit scrolling ;P Sep 03 15:50:21 dos1: shame on me Sep 03 15:50:22 ;) Sep 03 15:50:28 (17.46.49) dos1: khiraly1: with what error? (phonelog) <-- no error Sep 03 15:50:38 there is the enlightenment crash window Sep 03 15:50:49 the log was saved to /home/root/Pho.... Sep 03 15:51:00 when I click on advanced, it says there is no error log Sep 03 15:51:02 khiraly1: so there is some error Sep 03 15:51:19 khiraly1: run phonelog in console Sep 03 15:51:35 khiraly1: well, everybody lies. enlightenment too :P Sep 03 15:52:16 dos1 1s d4 house m4n14c! Sep 03 15:52:19 http://pastebin.com/m44d49d47 Sep 03 15:52:22 ^^ error log Sep 03 15:52:39 doh, should I install opimd? Sep 03 15:53:10 opkg install opimd? Sep 03 15:53:20 is there an apt-cache search in opkg? Sep 03 15:53:20 khiraly1: do you have paroli frameworkd config?? Sep 03 15:53:41 khiraly1: you have already opimd installed. it's part of frameworkd Sep 03 15:53:58 dos1: dunno, dont think so Sep 03 15:54:12 if paroli require some tweaked frameworkd, then lets fix paroli!+ Sep 03 15:54:35 dos1: btw, is there some nice way (preferrably in shr settings) to select default telephony apps? Sep 03 15:54:41 khiraly1: check your frameworkd.conf Sep 03 15:55:34 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * re50ccda3eed9 /libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi plugin.vala subsystem.vala): libfsoframework: add shutdown() method to subsystem and plugin interfaces Sep 03 15:57:48 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r7bab6a18313b /fsousaged/src/bin/main.vala: fsousaged: register signal handlers for SIGBUS and SIGSEGV; call shutdown on forced exit Sep 03 15:59:16 http://pastebin.com/m358a6fbd Sep 03 15:59:20 ^^ dos1 frameworkd.conf Sep 03 16:00:03 khiraly1: from where you have such frameworkd.conf??? Sep 03 16:00:08 khiraly1: that's not SHR one Sep 03 16:00:16 hmm;) Sep 03 16:00:23 I installed paroli from shr package Sep 03 16:01:19 khiraly1: but you didn't follow instructions Sep 03 16:01:24 :P Sep 03 16:01:30 ;) Sep 03 16:01:39 khiraly1: now i'm bulding better package (thanks to nytowl) Sep 03 16:01:55 khiraly1: so now opkg install -force-reinstall frameworkd-config-shr ;P Sep 03 16:02:09 ok dos1. I need to fix paroli to not require such frameworkd.conf (why there is a custom frameworkd.conf in the first place?) Sep 03 16:02:15 and I also want to integrate opimd Sep 03 16:02:51 khiraly1: i think it's already fixed (frameworkd.conf) Sep 03 16:03:01 what can i do, if my provider-info in org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetStatus() always changes from "T-Mobile D" to " " after a while? Sep 03 16:03:18 but i'm building package with that just while we're talking :P Sep 03 16:03:30 dos1: ok. I will reinstall it then Sep 03 16:03:42 dos1: btw, my problem on mailing list cant be related to it?: Sep 03 16:03:53 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-September/054545.html Sep 03 16:05:28 thx for your positive collaboration by the way Sep 03 16:09:59 khiraly1: about audio problem: i don't think so ;x Sep 03 16:10:08 hmm Sep 03 16:10:17 I need to bug mickeyl then;-) Sep 03 16:11:00 http://whattheinternetknowsaboutyou.com/ Sep 03 16:11:26 whattafak, most visited website are thepiratebay.org and demonoid.com Sep 03 16:11:29 shame on me Sep 03 16:11:38 khiraly1: does not work Sep 03 16:11:43 js is turned off Sep 03 16:11:45 ;) Sep 03 16:12:03 ahh Sep 03 16:12:04 ;) Sep 03 16:12:15 you are browsing through freerunner! Sep 03 16:12:24 + it does not work with js turned on Sep 03 16:12:34 it tells me i have only visited digg.com Sep 03 16:13:10 but i have visited some other sites too and they are in my history too Sep 03 16:13:21 hmm, for me it worked pretty awesome Sep 03 16:15:25 wikimapia.org, google.com, code.google.com, mail.google.com, codesearch.google.com, oreilly.ocm, lyricwiki.org, ebay.de, ebay.co.uk, demonoid.com, thepiratebay.org, ebay.com, xkcd.com, ajaxian.com, www.archive.org, googlepages.com Sep 03 16:15:37 Slyon: look at http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/465 Sep 03 16:16:15 bumbl: however there are sites, what I check each day. And it wasnt listed there ... Sep 03 16:17:08 khiraly1: here only xkcd.com and... bing.com? ;x Sep 03 16:17:15 i was on bing only once Sep 03 16:17:26 just to look how front page looks Sep 03 16:17:46 as it was linked in article about patenting page layout by google :P Sep 03 16:18:06 betheg: just doing an upgrade, after that i will try to patch that file on my FR Sep 03 16:19:26 dos1: so can we talk a bit about paroli integration into shr? Sep 03 16:19:35 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r437aa7be704c /libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi plugin.vala): Sep 03 16:19:35 freesmartphone.org: libfsoframework: define fso_shutdown_function that gets called (if present) during shutdown of a plugin Sep 03 16:19:35 freesmartphone.org: plugins should use that to save persistent data in order to improve restarting Sep 03 16:19:49 dos1: I would like to see something like this: Paroli signal to opimd that he is available Sep 03 16:19:53 betheg: actually my provider is called "congstar" they use T-Mobile Network. But congstar wasn't shown any time yet. i guess this won't fix it? Sep 03 16:20:18 the user choose what he wants paroli/shr telephony suites, and frameworkd only signal on incoming events to the app, what was selected Sep 03 16:20:45 because currently all the two (paroli and shr phone apps) are ringing when there is an incoming call, and I can pick up the phone in each app Sep 03 16:20:48 rather annoying Sep 03 16:21:34 yeah, with more fso-capable telephony apps out there, we have to think about an agent model Sep 03 16:21:50 this is something I'd like ophoned to merge into Sep 03 16:23:11 yeah, there is an upcoming qt phone suites too Sep 03 16:23:37 Slyon: no t-mobile is displayed Sep 03 16:23:51 mickeyl: could you please look into this audio interface issue? I would like to merge elmixer.py functionality into paroli Sep 03 16:24:03 so I want to play with it Sep 03 16:24:17 betheg: okay, do you know if there is any way to get congstar shown? Sep 03 16:24:31 khiraly1: what kind of information do you expect from GetInfo? Sep 03 16:24:41 as it seems the call is not implemented yet Sep 03 16:24:57 mickeyl: this elmixer app already worked back in april Sep 03 16:25:07 angus ainslie wrote it originally Sep 03 16:25:22 just wasnt widely know/used in the community. Sep 03 16:26:15 Slyon: no i do not, i was wondering why the modem returns only an empty string. mmh Sep 03 16:27:12 what's the output of at+cops? Sep 03 16:27:25 in both numerical and alphanumerical formats Sep 03 16:27:46 OK Sep 03 16:28:05 mickeyl: how can i query this? Sep 03 16:28:26 mickeyl: +COPS: 0,0," " Sep 03 16:28:28 mickeyl: how can I quit from mickeyterm Sep 03 16:28:33 ? Sep 03 16:28:53 ctlr-d Sep 03 16:29:02 really " " ? Sep 03 16:29:04 or ""? Sep 03 16:29:22 mickeyl: have you looked at http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/465 Sep 03 16:29:24 hmm, it freeze, and cant launch an another mickeyterm instance Sep 03 16:29:25 a sec Sep 03 16:29:46 ah, 465 is the respective ticket? Sep 03 16:29:49 mickeyl: really " " Sep 03 16:29:52 dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.NoChannel: All channels are used Sep 03 16:30:05 mickeyl: can I do anything else other then relaunching the phone? Sep 03 16:30:21 khiraly1: you can always kill the muxer Sep 03 16:30:27 ok, i see Sep 03 16:30:31 this patch is actually quit good Sep 03 16:30:50 yo onen|openBmap ! Sep 03 16:30:52 long time no see Sep 03 16:31:06 mickeyl: it returns with nothing Sep 03 16:31:11 mickeyl: can you look at http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/466 too, please Sep 03 16:31:21 mickeyl: hallo! how are things doing? Sep 03 16:31:37 onen|openBmap: slowly recovering from a huge lack of motivation towards FOSS ;) Sep 03 16:31:52 http://pastebin.com/m7aa7d54e Sep 03 16:32:12 mickeyl: yeah I know, thanks to my new internet provider, I waited a month and a half to get back online Sep 03 16:32:44 mickeyl: he he, I think we got the same virus then ;-) Sep 03 16:33:06 rhkfin: hi! Sep 03 16:33:58 self.audio_iface = dbus.Interface(audio_obj, 'org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio') Sep 03 16:34:00 self.audio_iface.connect_to_signal( "Scenario", self.on_scenario_status) Sep 03 16:34:15 ^^ mickeyl I expect this from audio_iface Sep 03 16:34:21 Ainulindale: hey! Nick told me you made fun of me :P Sep 03 16:35:02 onen|openBmap: :-) Sep 03 16:35:40 mickeyl: ok, I can simply disable audio_iface.GetInfo() Sep 03 16:35:49 and it seems to work Sep 03 16:44:43 khiraly1: the concept of scenarios is a dead end anyway Sep 03 16:45:08 hi onen|openBmap! long time no see Sep 03 16:45:30 DocScrutinizer: hallo! absolutely, issue with internet provider Sep 03 16:45:54 I see there are some emails about oci, ch, and obm on the ML Sep 03 16:45:55 how did you survive? o.O Sep 03 16:46:13 DocScrutinizer: I had printed web pages ;-) Sep 03 16:46:16 ;D Sep 03 16:46:22 hehe Sep 03 16:46:40 well, i wouldn't survive such a long time without internet access ;x Sep 03 16:46:56 but well, my productivity could increase by that :D Sep 03 16:47:33 dos1: *pssst* Sep 03 16:47:33 nice to see that opencellid guy gives me lessons when I am away for a little bit more than a week, when we have been waiting for months for his answers (by the way he did not mention that he came back only because I sent him an email 2 weeks ago) Sep 03 16:47:39 that's a secret Sep 03 16:48:40 (18.44.44) DocScrutinizer: khiraly1: the concept of scenarios is a dead end anyway Sep 03 16:48:42 ^^ how so? Sep 03 16:48:48 care you elaborate? Sep 03 16:49:14 the patch in 465 does not cover all cases, can you try the following one, please? Sep 03 16:49:15 http://pastebin.ca/1552775 Sep 03 16:50:49 onen|openBmap: you've been missed here :) Sep 03 16:53:56 khiraly1: in one word? ;-) mic1-to-gsm--mic2-to-ADCright--gsm-to-ADCleft--DACleft-to-gsm--DACright-to-headset--add-whatever-you-like.state Sep 03 16:54:34 mickey called it combinatoric explosion Sep 03 16:55:42 khiraly1: and that's just one of the reasons Sep 03 16:56:11 DocScrutinizer so what is the alternative? Sep 03 16:56:20 ACI Sep 03 16:56:27 ACI? Sep 03 16:56:30 rhkfin: nice to talk to you again Sep 03 16:56:31 wtf ACI Sep 03 16:56:50 see people.om.org/joerg/alsa/aci (sth like that) Sep 03 16:57:25 rhkfin: I understand all the points you wrote about gsm dbs fragmentation, but to be honest, I have contacted opencellid guy about two weeks ago, and the more I talk to him, the less I like his communication way Sep 03 16:57:53 this plus alsa pcm-hooks, plus odeviced learning to handle audio-resources as defined by ACI Sep 03 16:58:03 freesmartphone.org: mickey mickey * r8eae8f639a73 libpersistence/ (src/jsontypeserializer.vala tests/tests.vala): add convenience function to register enum type marshaller (internally using the int marshallers) Sep 03 16:58:09 rhkfin: of course, he did not mention this, he presents things like: I come back and try to bring people together. I hate the way he presents things Sep 03 16:59:49 dos1: Hey :) what about the build, can i recommend users the latest kernel to try? Sep 03 17:00:04 PaulFertser: i think latest kernel is already built Sep 03 17:00:10 dos1: cool Sep 03 17:00:13 i built whole feed today Sep 03 17:07:06 dos1: is there some hint anywhere for SHR users how to install x.org with glamo driver? Sep 03 17:10:04 PaulFertser: dunno if it's even easly possible ATM Sep 03 17:10:17 khiraly1: betheg: does it work? Sep 03 17:10:31 (http://pastebin.ca/1552775) Sep 03 17:10:57 dos1: how come? It's ridiculous to still use xglamo. Sep 03 17:11:22 PaulFertser: there is patch to bring x.org into SHR on patchwork Sep 03 17:11:23 mrmoku|away: promised me he would change that almost half a year ago. Sep 03 17:11:39 PaulFertser: but we need testing release before applying that :/ Sep 03 17:12:19 dos1: just don't make it default than but what's the problem with providing your users a choice? Sep 03 17:12:43 PaulFertser: don't make it default? Sep 03 17:12:58 PaulFertser: AFAIK kernel from drm-tracking is needed Sep 03 17:13:09 and some changes in shr.conf Sep 03 17:13:15 dos1: i'm not talking about the latest shiny KMS driver. Sep 03 17:13:22 oh Sep 03 17:13:24 dunno then Sep 03 17:13:25 dos1: i'm talking about xf86-glamo which is available for ages. Sep 03 17:13:32 Ainulindale: ! Sep 03 17:13:33 i'm not right person for asking that ;) Sep 03 17:14:58 mickeyl: a sec Sep 03 17:19:53 mickeyl: I patched the file, and relaunched frameworkd (/etc/init.d/frameworkd restart) Sep 03 17:19:59 the output is still: Sep 03 17:20:01 AT-Command Interpreter ready Sep 03 17:20:03 AT+COPS Sep 03 17:20:03 OK Sep 03 17:20:15 there where an empy line above ok Sep 03 17:21:11 you need to use Network.GetStatus() to check whether the patch works Sep 03 17:21:17 e.g. from cli-framework Sep 03 17:21:20 gsmnetwork.GetStatus() Sep 03 17:24:56 OK Sep 03 17:24:58 +CRING: VOICE Sep 03 17:24:58 +CRING: VOICE Sep 03 17:24:58 +CRING: VOICE Sep 03 17:24:58 +CRING: VOICE Sep 03 17:24:58 +CRING: VOICE Sep 03 17:24:59 +CRING: VOICE Sep 03 17:25:01 +CRING: VOICE Sep 03 17:25:03 +CRING: VOICE Sep 03 17:25:05 doh Sep 03 17:25:07 it keeps saying this Sep 03 17:25:18 one line/second Sep 03 17:29:52 khiraly1: for me it looks like someone is calling to you :P Sep 03 17:30:32 oops Sep 03 17:30:34 you are right Sep 03 17:35:51 mickeyl: without your patch i get 'provider': ' ', and with your patch i get 'provider': '', Sep 03 17:38:15 ah, of course Sep 03 17:38:18 please try http://pastebin.ca/1552828 Sep 03 17:39:26 SHR: seba.dos1 shr-themes * ree8d21beae59 /e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee/images/ (gsm_0.png gsm_1.png gsm_2.png gsm_3.png gsm_4.png gsm_no.png): e-wm-theme-illume-niebiee: little fixes in gsm icons. Why the hell I didn't use "invert colors" function in gimp before? :x Sep 03 17:43:03 mickeyl: now i get 'provider': 'T-Mobile', :) Sep 03 17:43:11 yepppa Sep 03 17:43:17 thanks Sep 03 17:43:18 that's the best we can do for you Sep 03 17:43:30 ideally, it should use the SIM issuer Sep 03 17:43:38 but that requires more work on behalf of the gadget Sep 03 17:43:51 applying that patch for now Sep 03 17:44:22 Slyon: be prepared for new patches Sep 03 17:44:24 ;) Sep 03 17:46:42 freesmartphone.org: mickey framework * rff1242d731be /framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Sep 03 17:46:42 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: ignore empty alphanumerical provider strings (happening for new providers) Sep 03 17:46:42 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Clients should use the SIM issuer instead, if registered to the home network. Sep 03 17:46:42 freesmartphone.org: For this you have to call org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetSimIssuer() though, hence Sep 03 17:46:47 freesmartphone.org: for layering purposes, we're not allowed to do it transparently in GetStatus(). Sep 03 17:46:49 freesmartphone.org: Fixes FSO #465 Sep 03 17:46:52 here we are Sep 03 17:47:12 mickeyl: and now the ListProviders() which results ('26201', 'current', ' ', ' ', 'GSM'), :), please ticket #466 Sep 03 17:47:18 argh :D Sep 03 17:47:24 :) Sep 03 17:48:38 ah well, i love bug entries with working patches... Sep 03 17:48:44 i have reported the bugs for about 3 weeks and now it is fix time :) Sep 03 17:48:54 correct Sep 03 17:49:31 this patch looks good Sep 03 17:49:41 i reckon you verified it works? Sep 03 17:50:34 dos1: thanks, you even make emails for me :D Sep 03 17:51:02 hehehe :D Sep 03 17:51:04 dos1: good you did not repeat the part where I talked about me being unhappy with the discussion ;-) Sep 03 17:51:15 just copy and paste from GetStatus() with one modification , yes i have tested it. Sep 03 17:52:04 onen|openBmap: ;) Sep 03 17:52:57 betheg: if you add an email address to your user, you'll get credit for the patch (git commit --author) Sep 03 17:54:17 dos1: did your logging with 3G stick keep going well? Sep 03 17:54:49 mickeyl: Nick told me he is thinking that sometimes the lac of neighb Sep 03 17:55:17 mickeyl: ours is filled with the cid of the serving. which makes weird packets of cells Sep 03 17:55:30 mickeyl: did you ever hear of sth going that way? Sep 03 17:55:31 onen|openBmap: no, stick returned to girlfriend :D Sep 03 17:55:42 as that's her only way to have internet connection Sep 03 17:55:56 dos1: returned girlfriend? ... oh, stick has been returned Sep 03 17:58:13 onen|openBmap: no, heard that the first time. that's scary. we would need logs to find the guilty Sep 03 18:03:49 are there known problems with the clock being wonky on shr-u (updated a couple weeks back)? Yesterday the clock was about 50 minutes slow. This morning when I took a look at it, it was back to showing the right time, and I just checked again now, and it's almost 14 hours slow! It's showing a time much earlier than it was when I checked it this morning. Anyone else seen this? Sep 03 18:05:30 btw - is this still the right place to ask user-level questions about shr-u? Or should I move to #openmoko? Sep 03 18:07:37 wjbaird1: here it works just correctly Sep 03 18:08:23 dos1: Guess I need to upgrade? :-) Sep 03 18:09:18 well, there wasn't any change regarding clock lx Sep 03 18:09:19 ;x Sep 03 18:10:30 dos1: Hmm. It's kinda annoying - I stopped wearing a watch a long time back, preferring to rely on my phone... but if the clock keeps going wonky, it's tough. I got a parking ticket yesterday 'cause I didn't realize how late it was... Sep 03 18:11:39 dos1: Any chance of their being anything useful in the logs? Sep 03 18:11:57 wjbaird1: i don't think there is any chance Sep 03 18:12:34 so i take it wifi is completely borked in shr-u current? Sep 03 18:19:20 Blu3: no, update to today's kernel Sep 03 18:19:33 Blu3: and report the result. Should be not worse than .28 Sep 03 18:20:49 wjbaird1: check (and reset) /etc/adjtime Sep 03 18:20:53 i updated at 2am EST. anything faster than sporadic keyboard typing or mild net traffic causes err reading -110 SDIO_CCCR_INTx kernel messages and the card is dead Sep 03 18:22:28 Blu3: wow, that's something new. Sep 03 18:23:22 dmesg is flooded just like this email: http://www.mail-archive.com/support@lists.openmoko.org/msg05084.html Sep 03 18:23:28 (may, 2009) Sep 03 18:23:46 Ah, i never read a single mail from support... Sep 03 18:23:53 Blu3: did it ever work for you? Sep 03 18:23:57 sure Sep 03 18:24:11 actually wifi has worked really great Sep 03 18:24:23 i never seemed to suffer most of the problems others were reporting Sep 03 18:24:41 DocScrutinizer: umm. I don't seem to *have* an /etc/adjtime... Sep 03 18:25:10 very good, so it can't be wrong anyway ;-) Sep 03 18:25:34 DocScrutinizer: Damn. I thought that I could maybe fix my problems by adding one... :-) Sep 03 18:25:50 wjbaird1: i have solution to clock drifting :) Sep 03 18:25:58 wjbaird1: check your RTC with hwclock Sep 03 18:26:05 lindi-: buy a watch? Sep 03 18:26:16 wjbaird1: no, measure and account for the drift Sep 03 18:26:26 wjbaird1: google for my compare-clock-sources.pl Sep 03 18:26:26 Blu3: did you make sure it's not hardware problem, i.e. checked it works great with older kernel version? Sep 03 18:26:34 if it's off then set it with "hwclock --systohc --noadjust Sep 03 18:26:42 wjbaird1: works very well Sep 03 18:26:43 lindi-: well - yesterday the drift was -50m. this morning it was 0, now it's -14 hours. Sep 03 18:26:54 hwclock's adjust on the other hand does not really work well Sep 03 18:27:01 so i wrote custom adjustment script Sep 03 18:27:06 lindi-: in other words, I don't think this is drift... Sep 03 18:27:13 wjbaird1: measure it. Sep 03 18:27:58 lindi-: how can drift account for a change from -50m up to being in sync, and back down to 14 hours behind in a 24 hour period? Sep 03 18:28:15 wjbaird1: i don't know, that's why you should measure it with my script so that we can plot the results Sep 03 18:29:56 Blu3: did you make sure it's not hardware problem, i.e. checked it works great with older kernel version? Sep 03 18:29:58 lindi-: an off of 14h a day can't impossibly "adjusted" by whatever cute script Sep 03 18:30:24 Blu3: also please check the build date of ar6000 (or at least the opkg date). Sep 03 18:30:32 DocScrutinizer: if it is constant rate then sure it can Sep 03 18:31:30 DocScrutinizer: hwclock shows me 5:02, and the illume clock is showing me 1:02 --- so it seems to think that the hwclock is gmt and I'm in the eastern time zone, which is correct... except for the fact that it's actually 14:31 in the eastern time zone... Sorry, I guess it's only 13.5 hours off :-) Sep 03 18:31:33 shit, it can't as the hw is so fuber then it's simply nonsense to try compensate it with adjust script Sep 03 18:32:07 wjbaird1: probably your ogsmd picked up wrong timezone automatically? Sep 03 18:32:19 wjbaird1: how do you adjust your clock? Sep 03 18:32:21 lindi-: I've seen the reported time vary by about 13 hours over a 24 hour period... That isn't clock drift... Sep 03 18:32:38 wjbaird1: please measure it now :) Sep 03 18:32:51 it worked yesterday on an older kernel. i haven't updated in a month Sep 03 18:32:52 lindi-: don't nag people Sep 03 18:33:22 PaulFertser: Maybe - I haven't travelled at all - and it *seems* to be adjusting between the hwclock and the displayed time correctly for my timezone. How do I tell which timezone ogsmd finds? Sep 03 18:33:25 meh. freenode is being fishy lately Sep 03 18:33:39 Blu3: there were no wifi-related changes in a month too... Sep 03 18:33:46 lindi-: wjbaird1 has a problem that for sure can't be fixed with your advices Sep 03 18:33:59 wjbaird1: just use "date", it'll tell you the system timezone. Sep 03 18:34:02 DocScrutinizer: Generally - I don't... In the past I've usually found the clock correctly sets itself... Sep 03 18:34:20 DocScrutinizer: if we measure the drift we can see if he has a cronjob for example that sets the clock wrong every hour :) Sep 03 18:34:32 wjbaird1: is your gps working? then please start it now Sep 03 18:35:15 lindi-: don't you think it would be smarter to scrutinize crontabs for that? Sep 03 18:35:20 wjbaird1: i'd check if your system timezone is correct right now in the first place. Sep 03 18:35:43 DocScrutinizer: there are so many other possible places Sep 03 18:35:46 PaulFertser: Hmm. yeah, it's wrong, It's reporting GMT+4, and it should be GMT-4 Sep 03 18:35:59 wjbaird1: listen to paul. he's right Sep 03 18:37:02 wjbaird1: i've just disabled that "feature" and set timezone manually, "zonesources = NONE" in /etc/frameworkd.conf Sep 03 18:37:26 DocScrutinizer: My gps is working - however, I don't normally manage to get a signal in my office... The last time my clock was messed up, I started the gps, and a while later the clock was right again... Don't really want to have to run GPS *all* the time, though... Sep 03 18:37:26 wjbaird1: fso auto-TZ-setting is braindead (IMHO) and I suggested repeatedly to disable it by default Sep 03 18:37:58 wjbaird1: that's not the plan :-) Sep 03 18:38:04 DocScrutinizer: can that be done in shr-settings, or does it need to be done by the fso team. (i.e. - who should I bug about it?) Sep 03 18:38:22 Blu3: what would be interesting (and probably helpful) to hear is "i used kernel revision blablabla, it worked; now i'm using blablabla, it doesn't". And if the second is the current andy-tracking HEAD a way to reproduce. Sep 03 18:38:32 there's a setting in one of fso's config files Sep 03 18:39:02 sorry, being torn between multiple things. Sep 03 18:39:15 Blu3: understandable Sep 03 18:39:19 i've found the trigger, it's different. i can do network traffic ok Sep 03 18:39:22 if dos1 is a good boy there will be a way to configure that in shr settings eventually Sep 03 18:39:28 hmm Sep 03 18:39:36 however if something interacts with the wifi and the sim card at the same time, it dies Sep 03 18:39:43 i.e. incoming message gets stored/read Sep 03 18:39:58 Blu3: nasty Sep 03 18:40:14 i was just running a ping while talking elsewhere Sep 03 18:40:18 muhaha, sdio-stack not reentrant Sep 03 18:40:21 i got a text message and it died Sep 03 18:40:36 PaulFertser: been a long time since I manually set the timezone on a linux box --- do I still just find the correct timezone and symlink it to /etc/timezone? Sep 03 18:40:51 wjbaird1: yes, either that or just copy it there. Sep 03 18:41:12 iirc you *need* to copy Sep 03 18:41:38 DocScrutinizer: no no no Sep 03 18:41:46 lindi-'d say dpkg-reconfigure tz-data ;) Sep 03 18:41:53 DocScrutinizer: i won't implement editing frameworkd.conf manually in shr-settings Sep 03 18:42:02 DocScrutinizer: i'll implement UI if it'll be exposed by dbus interface :P Sep 03 18:42:15 waiting for it to reboot Sep 03 18:42:34 dos1: guess how much I care about details ;-P Sep 03 18:44:48 What do I need to do to get illume and the other apps to recognize the timezone change? Sep 03 18:45:07 wjbaird1: nothing? Sep 03 18:46:07 PaulFertser: Hmm. Before I copied things over, /etc/timezone seemed to just contain the *name* of the timezone... Now it contains a bunch of binary data - and apps including 'date' are reporting the same thing they did before... Did I mess something up? Sep 03 18:47:50 wjbaird1: ahem... i'm not experienced enough to tell wtf happened ;) But timezone should contain binary data, that's correct. Sep 03 18:48:40 wjbaird1: hm, on my FR it contains timezone name... Sep 03 18:48:52 * PaulFertser feeling confused and stupid Sep 03 18:49:14 dos1: would you dare to implement a execve-call (system() ) to an executable? or *has* that to be dbus? Sep 03 18:50:25 DocScrutinizer: eh, system calls are already done in some places ;P Sep 03 18:50:28 kernel is Linux nibbly-bits 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Tue Sep 1 23:03:59 CEST 2009 armv4tl unknown Sep 03 18:50:39 DocScrutinizer: but managing frameworkd.conf behind frameworkd back is ugly Sep 03 18:50:39 dos1: as I'm not eager to implement a dbus interface around a simple 2liner script to actually accomplish that task Sep 03 18:50:57 wjbaird1: lol Sep 03 18:50:59 DocScrutinizer: that's what i mean by "dbus interface" Sep 03 18:51:05 wjbaird1: /etc/localtime should contain timezone data Sep 03 18:51:12 Paul Sep 03 18:51:21 PaulFertser: oops... ok.. Sep 03 18:52:06 wjbaird1: there is also the environment variable TZ Sep 03 18:52:10 dos1: that's nonsense. frameworkd.conf is a input method to frameworkd. So absolutely nothing will happen "behind the back of frameworkd" Sep 03 18:52:28 PaulFertser: ok - so do I need to manually copy the TZ file over /etc/localtime? Sep 03 18:52:37 andi: yes, but it can be left unset Sep 03 18:52:41 wjbaird1: yes Sep 03 18:52:51 andi: it seems to be unset for me... Sep 03 18:52:56 DocScrutinizer: you'll need to restart whole frameworkd to change that values Sep 03 18:52:57 then it is ok Sep 03 18:53:16 DocScrutinizer: and frameworkd can overwrite your changes when it'll write something to config Sep 03 18:53:31 no, you only need restart to make the changes take effect Sep 03 18:53:39 DocScrutinizer: listen to hocus pocus Sep 03 18:53:51 DocScrutinizer: that's what i mean, that's just my limited english :P Sep 03 18:54:10 dos1: that's exactly the point: frameworkd isn't supposed to it's own input Sep 03 18:54:32 well, conf != input Sep 03 18:55:00 aha Sep 03 18:55:00 sometimes it is, but generaly app allows you to modify its config from UI Sep 03 18:55:12 and frameworkd already does that in some places Sep 03 18:55:18 (idlenotifier for instance) Sep 03 18:55:32 so file a bug we can't change *all* settings via UI Sep 03 18:55:37 is there any documentation which points out why freerunners behave differently when you boot into nand or nor even when the uboot version is the same? Sep 03 18:55:46 i think it's already filled Sep 03 18:55:50 or an interesting source file? Sep 03 18:55:50 andi: the same? Sep 03 18:56:10 andi: you're supposed to be using a recent u-boot version to boot, and NOR is not upgradeable. Sep 03 18:56:11 DocScrutinizer: and well, not every config value is supposed to be easly editable by user Sep 03 18:56:31 DocScrutinizer: for instance hardware definitions (used hardware, input devices etc.) Sep 03 18:56:33 PaulFertser: well - now 'date' is reporting EDT instead of GMT+4, which is good... However, the actual time it's reporting hasn't changed... and the time it is reported is hwclock-4, which is right for EDT... so before it was reporting the TZ as GMT+4, but showing the time as GMT-4 (assuming the hwclock is GMT). Sep 03 18:56:35 andi: the main difference is that NOR u-boot doesn't use any environment and recalculates NAND partitions right after start. Sep 03 18:56:51 * wjbaird1 is now confused... Sep 03 18:56:54 nnah, I'll stop following this discussion now. it's getting ridiculous Sep 03 18:57:36 I want to understand why in some situations booting into nand bootloader is not possible but into nor Sep 03 18:57:51 even when the nand bootloader is not corrupted Sep 03 18:58:08 andi: what exactly do you mean by booting into nand bootloader? Sep 03 18:58:20 getting the boot menu Sep 03 18:58:47 andi: ok, it's clear why booting into NOR always work, right? Sep 03 18:59:02 no Sep 03 18:59:12 andi: ok, let me explain. Sep 03 19:00:11 andi: when you hold AUX button and the CPU is reset (or just powered on), it maps (in hardware) NOR memory and transferes control there. Since you don't modify NOR memory and it doesn't use any "environment" (it has it hardcoded in binary) it always works the same. Sep 03 19:00:35 I know that Sep 03 19:00:38 but... Sep 03 19:01:32 andi: since nothing can be changed, NOR bootloader always works. Sep 03 19:01:35 the gta02v6 freerunners boot without battery but with ac power into nor Sep 03 19:01:42 but not into nand Sep 03 19:01:49 andi: ah, you're talking about that Sep 03 19:01:50 for example Sep 03 19:02:29 andi: i'm not always able to boot my a6 into NOR while attached to a PC; i suspect there's a race between enumerating on bus and turning on the backlight. Sep 03 19:03:12 dos1: we had same discussion some weeks ago. your(!) "consense" was "auto-TZ works for 95%. The remaining 5% can easily disable auto". I absolutely don't think your arguments proove there is (or ever will be) an "easy" way to disable auto. And still I consider auto-TZ a big mistake Sep 03 19:04:30 andi: DocScrutinizer: i propose to add wallcharger detection to Qi, so whenever you try to boot on wallcharger it will always succeed no matter how much discharged the battery is. Also it'd be interesting to see what actually makes kernel fail to boot in 100mA (since Qi is able to fetch and start the kernel). Sep 03 19:05:38 PaulFertser: the kernel is ok. uboot is fucked up completely Sep 03 19:06:07 DocScrutinizer: the kernel enables backlight way too early before usb enumeration. This alone makes it unable to boot in 100mA. Sep 03 19:06:08 PaulFertser: the "new" uboot. Old uboot (in nor) works perfectly wrt that Sep 03 19:06:55 DocScrutinizer: well, you know that i don't care much about u-boot. Ask Rask ;) In fact there's a patch on the ML with some fix, probably even related. I was going to push it today. Sep 03 19:07:06 PaulFertser: I give a shit about 100mA. for now it doesn't boot or charge *at all* on flat bat Sep 03 19:07:30 DocScrutinizer: Qi does start kernel being limited to 100mA. So it's not Qi's problem but rather kernel's. Sep 03 19:07:43 DocScrutinizer, dos1: I don't know yet whether the auto-tz is related to my problem --- but it definitely sounds like something I'd like to be able to control in shr-settings. Sep 03 19:07:53 DocScrutinizer: the idea is to make it possible to boot properly and then to start charging. Sep 03 19:08:49 PaulFertser: all patches only messed things up to fubar Sep 03 19:09:05 wjbaird1: do you prefer GUIs to vim? :-O Sep 03 19:09:20 and I have no idea about qi, and I don't have problems with kernel for now Sep 03 19:09:52 wjbaird1: I'm ambivilent... but when I don't have my FR connected to something with a real keyboard, I definitely prefer a GUI. Sep 03 19:10:11 PaulFertser: whoops- that was for you - although I do occasionally talk to myself.. Sep 03 19:10:21 wjbaird1: ignore those trolls ;-P Sep 03 19:10:43 cya, before you get me really started Sep 03 19:10:45 so let me sum up: in some situations uboot does not enable enough power and then dies when turning on the backlight Sep 03 19:11:14 andi: that is my guess, i do not have any strong evidence. Sep 03 19:12:39 andi: imho it'd be better to let kernel do all charging related tasks, for that Qi is ok since it's able to start the kernel in 100mA. But kernel is currently incapable of booting to enumeration in only 100mA, partly because it enables backlight too early, probably other reasons contribute too. Sep 03 19:12:41 Slyon: ping Sep 03 19:13:39 andi: nand uboot is fucked up. nor uboot is way better. that's the whole story Sep 03 19:14:09 even it is the same version? why? Sep 03 19:14:16 even when Sep 03 19:14:50 it's NOT same version. it simply didn't see any version-number push when it should have Sep 03 19:15:11 compare build dates Sep 03 19:15:45 cya, that's all way too .... dunno for me today Sep 03 19:15:53 dos1, PaulFertser, DocScrutinizer: thanks for the advice on times... - I've turned off auto-TZ, set my TZ manually, and manually set my clock and synced the hwclock... I guess Sep 03 19:15:59 I'll see what what happens. Sep 03 19:16:25 DocScrutinizer: I checked only version numbers Sep 03 19:16:48 wjbaird1: let's hope it's allright. And try lindi-'s script nevertheless to know the actual drift ;) Sep 03 19:16:56 then I understand something more Sep 03 19:19:12 PaulFertser: I'll take a look at the script when I get a chance... Sep 03 19:20:01 andi: PaulFertser: http://pastebin.com/f306064c3 Sep 03 19:22:15 DocScrutinizer: yeah, i saw that. TBH i still fail to see why you think being able to charge while running bootloader is that essential, i'd prefer to fully boot the kernel and let it charge the usual way. Sep 03 19:23:05 SHR: hersche opimd-utils * r7a96dd094119 /data/po/de/ (opimd-messages.mo opimd-messages.po): data: update opimd-messages translation with strings from opimd_reply Sep 03 19:23:16 SHR: hersche opimd-utils * r269602fbcd0f /opimd_utils/opimd_reply.py: opimd_reply: add gettext support Sep 03 19:23:32 SHR: ptitjes ophonekitd * ra303a4981f50 /src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): FreeSmartphone.ResourceName resolved to a string again Sep 03 19:23:33 SHR: ptitjes ophonekitd * r2ac85e57983e /src/ophonekitd-gsm-activator.vala: Make the GSM activation asynchronous Sep 03 19:24:29 freesmartphone.org: seba.dos1 dos/opimd-tracking * r7de0a39c1ea2 framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:framework into dos/opimd-tracking Sep 03 19:24:31 though this do not build anymore due to some simple vala bugs about async variable name resolution Sep 03 19:24:33 PaulFertser: I hope you agree on bootloader NOT charging, NOT booting, NOT stopping auxflash even when powerplug removed, NOT even powering down the device on holding power button - you agree that's a real issue? I give a shit about charging in uboot Sep 03 19:24:36 help is welcome Sep 03 19:26:17 DocScrutinizer: yes, that's bad indeed Sep 03 19:26:20 ...as the device happily boot up all the way with wallcharger Sep 03 19:26:34 on **NOR** uBoot Sep 03 19:27:06 DocScrutinizer: well, i guess i can easily fix Qi to do the same. Sep 03 19:27:16 DocScrutinizer: for wallcharger only, not for USB host. Sep 03 19:27:28 great. flash aux infinitely? Sep 03 19:27:35 DocScrutinizer: LOL Sep 03 19:27:53 SHR: david shr * r9e3a8eb9cdcb /libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/po/es.po: libframeworkd-phonegui-efl: update spanish translation Sep 03 19:28:13 DocScrutinizer: to make Qi check if wallcharger is there and to enable 1A charge before starting the kernel. It'll boot all the way to userland then i guess. Sep 03 19:28:35 SHR: david shr-settings * r71f814d5c624 /data/po/es/ (shr-settings.mo shr-settings.po): [po] update spanish translation Sep 03 19:29:47 PaulFertser: sure it should Sep 03 19:30:35 SHR: seba.dos1 shr-settings * raae43270abf3 /shr_settings_modules/shr_simauth.py: [simauth] change "Enter SIM PIN" into "Enter actual SIM PIN" when changing PIN Sep 03 19:30:38 * rhkfin upgrades his SHR again.. Sep 03 19:31:00 so dd if=/dev/mtd0 of=/dev/mtd1 is the way? ;-) Sep 03 19:31:38 all this foo just to stay below 100mA before enum. Probably FR is the only dev on this planet to care abot that, and even we didn't get there - rather we idle in a aux-flashing loop until bat is *really* fucked up Sep 03 19:31:59 rhkfin: bulding new upgrades, so wait moment ;) Sep 03 19:33:41 dos1: ok :) Sep 03 19:33:50 Slyon: ping ping ping ping Sep 03 19:34:07 ping him when i'll go, i sent three patches to shr-today to him :P Sep 03 19:38:32 DocScrutinizer: guess what one if the first thing I changed on my freerunner I got July 2008: disable the 100mA mode in the kernel Sep 03 19:39:29 because I used it on a two weeks bicycle tour as navigation device Sep 03 19:40:07 so a fucked up battery would be a bad thing Sep 03 19:40:45 dos1: pong Sep 03 19:40:55 dos1: ahh patches Sep 03 19:44:53 dos1: patches are applyed and pushed ;) Sep 03 19:45:00 dos1: you can rebuild Sep 03 20:03:16 hi Sep 03 20:18:00 dos1: upgrade? Sep 03 20:26:26 rhkfin: wait about 10 minutes and then upgrade :) Sep 03 20:26:36 but i'm leaving now Sep 03 20:26:37 good night! Sep 03 20:26:55 dos1: ok, thanks Sep 03 20:27:08 sleep $longenough;opkg update;opkg upgrade Sep 03 20:27:16 ;) Sep 03 20:27:28 ha, don't forget Sep 03 20:27:53 running sleep 800;opkg update;opkg upgrade Sep 03 20:27:57 just to be sure :) Sep 03 20:27:57 ;go to irc, and shout "my neo broken Sep 03 20:28:03 max_posedon: he :) Sep 03 20:28:08 ;) Sep 03 20:28:30 I have a rule now, I never update when dos1 offline Sep 03 20:29:15 not a bad rule... Sep 03 20:29:20 ;) Sep 03 20:56:47 Ainulindale: hi Sep 03 20:57:03 Ainulindale: cellhunter updated its package http://ch.omoco.de/cellhunter/ Sep 03 21:06:19 max_posedon: sounds reasonable ;-D Sep 03 21:07:40 max_posedon: if you urgently need the phone next day, then only update when dos1 *and* mrmoku are both online ;) Sep 03 21:08:25 hm... usually (5/5 times for me) dos1 was enough) Sep 03 21:08:55 but it really helps, my last reflash was in middle of June Sep 03 21:14:56 DocScrutinizer: I just downgraded my nand bootloader on the gta02v6 machine, and now finally it boots through the nand bootloader even with hmc5843 compass attached to i2c and IO_3V3 Sep 03 21:15:21 with newer nand bootloader that did not work Sep 03 21:15:28 heh! :-)) Sep 03 21:16:57 I thought that would be easier... Sep 03 21:17:21 andi: with newer bootloader you were unable to boot even when battery is present? Sep 03 21:17:33 correct Sep 03 21:18:38 btw: on my gta02v5 I have never managed to boot without battery Sep 03 21:21:27 andi: v5 lacks a necessary capacitor and on one of the lines the voltage drops too low. Sep 03 21:22:05 andi: any particular reason you're using u-boot in NAND? Sep 03 21:22:56 I want to have a boot menu Sep 03 21:25:35 so If I damage one system, I still have another Sep 03 21:26:19 at the moment I have a heavily customized om2007.2 on the nand Sep 03 21:26:22 andi: well, whenever i make my uSD unbootable i use NAND. Sep 03 21:26:36 andi: Qi supports skipping boot from uSD Sep 03 21:27:20 an fso and a debian on the uSD Sep 03 21:27:58 so I have the option to show a nice looking system to people Sep 03 21:28:29 or the system to use it as a hacking device Sep 03 21:28:51 for the debian system I even have two kernels Sep 03 21:28:59 andi: yeah, my system is looking awful and not exactly usable :( Sep 03 21:29:18 On the freerunners on my institute Sep 03 21:29:32 I have android and debian on the sd card Sep 03 21:29:40 android :( Sep 03 21:29:48 and the debian with two kernels, one self build Sep 03 21:30:19 that is not my preferred choice, but other people do like it more Sep 03 21:30:30 andi: it's easier to write a decent bootmenu for a stripped kernel with initramfs than to support u-boot fork for OM imho. Sep 03 21:33:03 Of course, that is an option Sep 03 21:33:12 andi: qi was written for a reason and that was decided by people much smarter than me. I liked their reasoning and i enjoy having a really small and maintainable bootloader. Sep 03 21:35:07 but first I wanted to understand what's going on here before I switch to qi Sep 03 21:37:14 there were two nand bootloader problems: booting without battery and booting with an additional i2c device (added by me) Sep 03 21:37:30 andi: i know, your cool compass Sep 03 21:37:35 the second one I should at least somehow understand Sep 03 21:37:59 the easiest way to do is to read uboot changelogs Sep 03 21:39:26 andi: Qi is so small and simple and easy to understand that to me it seems that it's easier to just switch to it. Sep 03 21:42:13 freesmartphone.org: mickey mickey * r5f0e1ca54052 libpersistence/ (src/jsontypeserializer.vala tests/tests.vala): can serialize some types of Gee.Map now Sep 03 21:47:05 If I want to change things in the bootloader that will be the way to go Sep 03 21:49:03 PaulFertser: do you know which capacitor is missing on v5 which is needed for booting without battery Sep 03 21:49:33 andi: easy. wait a minute Sep 03 21:49:51 1767? Sep 03 21:50:16 yep Sep 03 21:50:20 C1767 Sep 03 21:50:53 refer to schematics changelog Sep 03 21:51:08 s/changelog/"changelog"/ Sep 03 21:51:08 DocScrutinizer meant: refer to schematics "changelog" Sep 03 21:51:21 DocScrutinizer: you're fast today :) Sep 03 21:51:38 I had it at top of my head Sep 03 21:55:36 sounds reasonable Sep 03 22:17:35 freesmartphone.org: mickey mickey * rdf99fb3ef5b2 libpersistence/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add objects into collection classes Sep 03 22:24:48 freesmartphone.org: mickey mickey * r1eea16790664 libpersistence/ (4 files in 2 dirs): wrap debug into #if / #endif Sep 03 23:10:53 freesmartphone.org: mickey mickey * r54a43cc6b156 libpersistence/ (src/Makefile.am src/jsontypeserializer.vala tests/tests.vala): add support for boolean value types (toplevel) Sep 04 01:08:03 freesmartphone.org: mickey mickey * r4251b4c58a9e libpersistence/src/jsonreader.vala: fix bug in jsonreader to allow empty arrays ([]), sorry, i had to reformat this file, but i could not see anything beforehand Sep 04 01:08:04 freesmartphone.org: mickey mickey * r26180fd3c0fe libpersistence/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add testcase for empty arrays Sep 04 02:18:31 PaulFertser: http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman/2009/09/03/writing-apps-for-the-n900-part-1/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 04 02:59:57 2009