**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 08 02:59:57 2009 Sep 08 06:21:11 Hey everyone, is F4t in the chat room? Sep 08 06:22:24 ~seen F4t Sep 08 06:22:24 f4t was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 3d 17h 13m 25s ago, saying: 'i want a phone with nvidia tegra chipset'. Sep 08 06:23:00 hmm... ok thanks. don't suppose anyone else knows about his program mokonnect. I can't seem to get it to connect to my wireless router Sep 08 06:24:09 Ron1: wait some hours if you can Sep 08 06:24:50 it will get noisier in about 3 hours Sep 08 06:24:59 ok, I'll wait Sep 08 09:04:46 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r0f9c9bba6ea0 /fsodeviced/src/plugins/ (accelerometer/plugin.vala accelerometer_lis302/plugin.vala): fsodeviced: accelerometer: apply low pass filter to incoming acceleration data in order to detect end of movement Sep 08 09:14:39 * Weiss returns from holiday Sep 08 09:19:55 Weiss: welcome back, looking forward for your commits :) Sep 08 09:30:16 JaMa: hehe, thanks. i used my FR with the KMS driver all the time while roaming, and think i've managed to work out how to reproduce the current problems (ready for debugging) Sep 08 09:32:13 Weiss: now I'm suffering WSOD every suspend/resume cycle :/, but probably not your driver fault :/ Sep 08 09:32:47 Weiss: and xserver master compilation is broken on arm.. I've a patch or 2 if you want to update.. Sep 08 09:45:03 JaMa: hmm.. i haven't had a single WSoD, but it's possible there are some timing difficulties. see (eg) the nastiness i did in jbt6k74.c to fit it into KMS (without the FB notifier chain) Sep 08 09:46:27 i don't feel any particular need to upgrade to the latest Xserver.. is there anything new? (you mentioned VGA arb stuff? -but we don't have any VGA) Sep 08 09:46:48 JaMa: please file a bug with exact hardware, boot loader, kernel, Xorg and xserver-xorg-video-glamo version. i can then test it too Sep 08 09:47:06 upstream would probably be interested in the compilation fix patches though.. Sep 08 09:47:08 Weiss: do you plan to rebase your KMS branch on top of new openmoko branch which is supposed to be created after 2.6.31 release? Sep 08 09:47:52 Weiss: I discussed patches directly with guys who created that problem ;) Sep 08 09:48:58 ah, ok :) Sep 08 09:48:59 Weiss: one is already upstream (vgaarb) and second needs bigger rework, so I have upstream blessed workaround before pushing proper patch Sep 08 09:50:14 lindi-: is git patch for OE repo enough for you? Sep 08 09:50:40 lindi-: rest is just hardware neo and boot loader qi Sep 08 09:51:16 JaMa: (r.e. rebasing) yep, i'm generally trying to stay at least vaguely curren Sep 08 09:51:19 +t Sep 08 09:52:41 hmm, this BFS scheduler looks really promising: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=125233663823328&w=2 Sep 08 09:52:58 it is 1.5 times faster on a router Sep 08 09:53:05 should be similar on freerunner too Sep 08 09:53:18 Weiss: and are kms changes in 2.6.30 and 2.6.31 touching lot of your code? I'm also using nouveau kms from kernel git and there is always lots of changes... Sep 08 09:53:46 khiraly1: yeah.. http://twitter.com/cyanogen/ as well. hopefully there'll be patches for 2.6.29 in a few hours.. Sep 08 09:54:10 I would really like to see a 2.6.31 with all of these goodness Sep 08 09:54:33 JaMa: difficult to say, i'm busy to test it right now. point is just that these things should be reported as clearly as possible so that when people have time they know what to test Sep 08 09:54:44 JaMa: i use debian myself but i can probably apply oe patches Sep 08 09:55:51 lindi-: its difficult to report exact version and exact environment, when I'm tracking upstream xserver-git + all latest libs updated every day... Sep 08 09:56:21 JaMa: ok Sep 08 09:57:27 JaMa: don't think so.. unless the actual kernel interface has changed a lot.. Sep 08 10:14:19 lindi-: If you or someone is still interested http://jama.mk.cvut.cz/0001-Thomas-White-s-KMS-glamo-driver-and-xserver-xorg-1.6.patch http://jama.mk.cvut.cz/0002-Bump-xorg-stuff-to-latest-2009-09-08.patch Sep 08 10:14:54 there is also script in contrib directory for easier update preferred version/create new bbfiles for latest xorg stuff Sep 08 10:16:47 I tried bitbake shr unstable image, but pax-utils-native can't be fetched, is there some issue of bb-file or server down? Sep 08 10:17:27 SRC_URI = "${GENTOO_MIRROR}/pax-utils-${PV}.tar.bz2;md5sum=5f09df47a16e83462384b44b75310539" Sep 08 10:18:25 I got it downloaded elsewhere (with same checksum) Sep 08 10:21:38 aapo: pong :) Sep 08 10:23:20 rhkfin: ping Sep 08 10:24:02 Ainulindale: mrmoku|away any ideas ^ Sep 08 10:36:19 next one: bitbake jpeg. it first try fetch it from http://build.shr-project.org/sources/ (there are no folder sources). then it tries from http://www.ijg.org/files/ (but wrong version number). and last from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/ (http server not responds) Sep 08 10:38:21 aapo: if no answer you mith want to send this to some mailing lists to reach the people.. Sep 08 10:43:10 aapo, angstrom is moving to a different server Sep 08 10:44:21 playya, thanks. So i must only wait. Sep 08 10:45:50 What is the rigth mailing list for shr developing issues? Sep 08 10:46:24 shr-devel@lists.shr-project.org Sep 08 10:47:38 If I have comments or suggestion of one single bb-file (which doesn't contain any author information) is this right list to post? Sep 08 10:48:25 aapo: try to change the gentoo mirror in bitbake.conf Sep 08 10:49:10 Heinervdm, i think the gentoo guys did some clean up and through out this old version Sep 08 10:50:52 possible Sep 08 11:10:21 i can compile pax-utils without problems Sep 08 11:22:39 Heinervdm, which version? Sep 08 11:24:25 moin vegyraupe Sep 08 11:24:31 you are in france? Sep 08 11:24:36 yes Sep 08 11:24:48 did I write that anywhere? Sep 08 11:24:55 I am very forgetful it seems ;) Sep 08 11:25:02 now. but your indent Sep 08 11:25:05 playya_: 0.1.13 Sep 08 11:25:10 hehe Sep 08 11:25:13 vegyraupe (n=mirkolin@office.bearstech.com) Sep 08 11:25:17 hehe Sep 08 11:25:20 got me ;) Sep 08 11:25:58 you wrote that you'll be on some conferences. which will you visit? Sep 08 11:26:22 playya_: good questions, I just wrote a post about that, but didn't hit the button yet Sep 08 11:26:27 Atoms&Bits Sep 08 11:26:30 FSCONS Sep 08 11:26:36 OpenZim dev meeting Sep 08 11:27:27 ok Sep 08 11:27:55 Open World Forum Sep 08 11:28:26 no chance to play with a nanonote Sep 08 11:28:32 at the bottom of the yet unpublished post I am asking for other interesting things I might have missed Sep 08 11:28:42 aything in particular that should be on my route ? Sep 08 11:29:14 i think ubucon would be not interesting. but maybe 26c3? Sep 08 11:29:32 26c3 will probably be attended by one of us Sep 08 11:29:38 ubucon? Sep 08 11:29:41 * vegyraupe goes checking Sep 08 11:29:58 the german ubuntu congress (more user related) Sep 08 11:31:24 but maybe i try to get to openexpo: http://www.openexpo.ch/openexpo-2009-winterthur/ Sep 08 11:31:28 at least one day Sep 08 11:31:40 that's a good tipp Sep 08 11:31:43 uuu Sep 08 11:31:49 that is in what, 14d ? Sep 08 11:32:02 yes :( Sep 08 11:33:53 both days have intersting talks Sep 08 11:34:09 but it's a really short program this year Sep 08 11:34:49 hm I could get a ticket for 39€ Sep 08 11:37:26 playya_: with whom are you there? Sep 08 11:38:17 i don't know Sep 08 11:38:28 1 second Sep 08 11:38:34 sure Sep 08 11:38:48 maybe there's a collision Sep 08 11:42:04 ok. it fits Sep 08 11:42:43 i won't stay there over night, because it's just 1 hour by car Sep 08 11:43:02 heh, nice Sep 08 11:43:47 playya_: for me it is a bit further :) Sep 08 11:43:58 i.e. more distant Sep 08 11:44:00 remote Sep 08 11:44:05 far away Sep 08 11:44:51 sweden, france, berlin? Sep 08 11:45:16 yepp Sep 08 11:45:33 only berlin is kinda around the corner ;) Sep 08 11:45:47 btw. invest the 20€ for a bed. the sleeping seats aren't that comfortable Sep 08 11:46:14 playya_: on the train ? Sep 08 11:46:26 yes Sep 08 11:46:59 ah k Sep 08 11:47:05 if you have an overnight train Sep 08 11:47:18 the one I have here is an all-day train Sep 08 11:48:02 hm 59€ for night-train Sep 08 11:48:05 not too bad either Sep 08 11:48:32 arg Sep 08 11:48:46 berlin - hannover - basel - zurich - winterthur Sep 08 11:48:48 hmpf Sep 08 11:51:34 no train like berlin - offenburg -basel.... Sep 08 11:52:00 not over night it seems Sep 08 11:52:01 I have Sep 08 11:52:01 afair the train is splitted in hannover, so you can stay in the train Sep 08 11:52:10 berlin- hannover - zurich - winterthur Sep 08 11:52:22 which sound way better Sep 08 11:52:34 sounds way better Sep 08 11:52:51 <- eats a schnitzel Sep 08 11:53:07 * vegyraupe is jealous Sep 08 11:53:15 * vegyraupe always wants what he cannot get atm :( Sep 08 11:59:35 vegyraupe take the plane. train on that length will make you dead on arrival Sep 08 12:00:13 roh: I took the bus to paris and am up and running, traveled with train last time from zurich to berlin, it was doable Sep 08 12:00:15 did that once to munich (from berlin) to systems and it was really shitty. was tired and slept worse than in a seat that time Sep 08 12:00:26 * vegyraupe doesn't like flying esp short distance Sep 08 12:00:54 i like flying only if its a fair trade in time and money. Sep 08 12:01:14 rather 2hours in a plane and airport than 5 in a train Sep 08 12:01:15 roh: overnight trains mean I save money on hotels Sep 08 12:01:34 2hrs plane + 2hrs on airports Sep 08 12:01:39 :) Sep 08 12:17:17 hi vegyraupe Sep 08 12:25:23 roh, i think you will be at 26c3,too. maybe we try to get a table in the hackcenter. interested in attending there? Sep 08 12:27:49 mokotable? cool. i'd show up there some times for sure. Sep 08 12:28:07 hi khiraly1 Sep 08 12:30:24 playya_ will be there anyways Sep 08 12:30:59 ok Sep 08 12:47:09 vegyraupe: I will survive Sep 08 12:47:21 Ainulindale: I certainly hope so :) Sep 08 12:47:32 Ainulindale: don't want to drink beer all by myself ;) Sep 08 12:48:02 Don't worry about that where there's beer I'm usually there Sep 08 12:48:14 vegyraupe: By the way Sep 08 12:48:14 :D good :) Sep 08 12:48:28 I have a russian lesson tomorrow at 9AM just to notify you that I'll wake up "early" Sep 08 12:48:55 no prob, 9AM is no problem, am used to getting up at 6.30 / 7 ish Sep 08 12:49:32 You're insane Sep 08 12:49:41 indeed :) Sep 08 12:50:22 (well so am I) Sep 08 13:14:06 What's the name of the 'mouse driver' SHR uses? Sep 08 13:14:10 tslib? Sep 08 13:14:43 xserver-xorg-input-synaptics has support for circular motion (emulates mouse wheel) .. Sep 08 13:15:13 with xorg-xserver there is just evdev used.. Sep 08 13:15:54 ok.. Sep 08 13:16:17 what's evdev? Sep 08 13:16:59 xf86-input-evdev Sep 08 13:17:11 ok, thanks! Sep 08 13:17:13 preferred also on desktop nowadays Sep 08 13:17:40 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-input-evdev Sep 08 14:19:09 dos1: i tried the image from Sunday, outgoing calls are working but it seems there is something wrong with incomming calls, i'm always getting busy signal Sep 08 14:24:01 Heinervdm: it can't be. either outgoing and incoming works, or outoging and incoming doesn't work ;P Sep 08 14:24:10 Heinervdm: check phone from where you're calling :D Sep 08 14:24:50 dos1: hmm, that's right, my phone isn't working correct :D Sep 08 14:31:28 ;] Sep 08 14:34:15 ha! Sep 08 14:34:46 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/476 Sep 08 14:35:02 so that sms timestamp problem wasn't SHR! :> Sep 08 14:36:06 mickey|zzZZzz: wake up! Sep 08 14:41:40 dos1: does fso provide some suspend, screen dimming handling? Ie. i fso would do it, i would only set the timeout via dbus Sep 08 14:44:15 khiraly1: it can Sep 08 14:44:20 through oeventsd Sep 08 14:44:41 khiraly1: amazing what questions you invent Sep 08 14:45:47 khiraly1: have a look into shr-settins-power Sep 08 14:46:03 Docscrutinizer: it looks like it is managed by ophonekitd Sep 08 14:46:58 ie. without ophonekitd my phone does not suspend Sep 08 14:48:25 khiraly1: what was the last funktion that didn't work without ophonekitd? Sep 08 14:48:44 then fixed itself Sep 08 14:52:13 khiraly1: that's normal Sep 08 14:52:23 khiraly1: that's because ophonekitd listens to the suspend signal and suspends Sep 08 14:52:35 khiraly1: you could simulate this behavior with oeventsd although I wouldn't trust it that much Sep 08 14:52:47 Docscrutinizer: could you rephase? Sep 08 14:59:32 the most uset phase by khiraly1 Sep 08 14:59:44 s/uset/used/ Sep 08 14:59:44 dos1 meant: the most used phase by khiraly1 Sep 08 14:59:50 "could you rephase?" Sep 08 14:59:51 :> Sep 08 15:00:10 dos1: at least you correct yourself without asking you;) Sep 08 15:01:57 i'm writing tamagotchi like app for freerunner ;) Sep 08 15:02:17 integrated with opimd, i have some nice idea :> Sep 08 15:03:07 (opimd itself won't have anything tamagotchi related, don't worry :D) Sep 08 15:03:17 :D Sep 08 15:03:31 feed the tamagotchi with sms's Sep 08 15:03:51 Heinervdm: hehe, no :D but close to Sep 08 15:03:58 dos1, will it be a penguin? xD Sep 08 15:04:18 Sharwin_F: nice idea! why didn't i thought about penguin before? ;x Sep 08 15:04:22 of course it will be penguin :D Sep 08 15:04:38 dos1, tuxigochi? :P Sep 08 15:05:00 Sharwin_F: i already have name Sep 08 15:05:04 geekogochi :) Sep 08 15:05:50 DocScrutinizer, this morning I sent my openmoko with the non-working mic to methril, hope he'll be able to solve it :) Sep 08 15:06:01 and i have basic architecture already done Sep 08 15:06:03 dos1, yey, great :) Sep 08 15:06:21 s/already/already almost/ Sep 08 15:06:21 dos1 meant: and i have basic architecture already almost done Sep 08 15:06:22 dos1, you can use accelerometers for it too :) Sep 08 15:06:47 Sharwin_F: for games with pet? why not :D Sep 08 15:07:01 dos1, yep xd Sep 08 15:07:17 but that later Sep 08 15:07:34 now basic support of life ;) Sep 08 15:07:48 and some kind of UI (now it's only blank window :P) Sep 08 15:07:57 dos1, python? Sep 08 15:08:05 Sharwin_F: yup Sep 08 15:08:20 it'll be server and client Sep 08 15:08:50 dos1, do you have it uploaded somewhere? Sep 08 15:09:07 Sharwin_F: no, only local git repo. i'll upload soon Sep 08 15:09:31 maybe not today, but in this week for sure Sep 08 15:09:33 I'm learning python these days, maybe I can learn/help with it :) Sep 08 15:09:49 dos1: so atm it's tux in a white coat in the snow ;-) Sep 08 15:10:03 dos1: I thought you were joking Sep 08 15:10:16 khiraly1: hehe :D Sep 08 15:10:31 khiraly1: i need some funny task to relax after all that opimd fighting :P Sep 08 15:10:48 I think a better idea would be o port hannah montana's distro to openmoko, what do you think? xd Sep 08 15:11:06 e-wm-theme-hannah-montana? :x Sep 08 15:11:16 lol Sep 08 15:11:36 dos1, for sure that will make SHR popular! Sep 08 15:12:24 dos1, I want an hannah montana theme! Sep 08 15:12:33 :D Sep 08 15:13:59 cold war in the arctic theme. Everything white on white. tuxagotchi already there ;-) Sep 08 15:14:22 dos1, i want fonzie theme Sep 08 15:15:31 send me artwork and some $ and i'll do whatever theme you want ;D Sep 08 15:20:19 (16.48.25) Docscrutinizer-8: khiraly1: what was the last funktion that didn't work without ophonekitd? Sep 08 15:20:47 dunno Docscrutinizer what you are thinking about Sep 08 15:21:48 khiraly1: nevermind Sep 08 15:34:29 mickey|zzZZzz: (lowpass gmeter) I think the scientifically correct algo is: subtract earth G from meter reading, then infinite integrate, and from resulting absolute speed subtract a certain percentage to auto-zero and compensate for errors Sep 08 15:35:27 s there a way to check if i have a gps-fix via console? Sep 08 15:35:51 or can i tail the the gps-chip's stdout? Sep 08 15:38:10 besides, i'm using shr-unstable ... Sep 08 15:40:13 tomboy64: have a look to shr-settings-position src, the way it's done there should be what you want Sep 08 15:40:33 mmkay Sep 08 15:40:34 thx Sep 08 15:40:38 dos1: btw, for tamagotchi you could use the vibration too Sep 08 15:41:08 dos1: I will implement a cool think into paroli (guiwise) maybe you would also like to incorporate into your tamagotchi app Sep 08 15:41:35 anyway, I will you tell more, when I finished it. Sep 08 15:41:57 khiraly1: now i'm thinking more about server side of geekogotchi, i'll work on gui later ;) Sep 08 15:42:20 aham Sep 08 15:42:30 but a tamagotchi is more gui than anything else Sep 08 15:42:31 ;) Sep 08 15:42:53 but it is really cool idea btw Sep 08 15:43:00 talking of vibrator - - what became of the idea to vibrator-feedback keypresses on kbd, button-push etc Sep 08 15:43:03 ? Sep 08 15:43:44 you can also detect the feel of the person Sep 08 15:44:01 by measuring the accelerometer when he is typing on the phone Sep 08 15:44:03 ;) Sep 08 15:44:09 khiraly1: that's why i'm implementing server side firstly. to have basics working. gui doesn't matter if we don't have any living pet inside it :D Sep 08 15:44:10 you can detect how hard it types on it Sep 08 15:44:31 s/it types/he types/ Sep 08 15:44:32 khiraly1 meant: you can detect how hard he types on it Sep 08 15:44:46 ;) Sep 08 15:45:15 you can also detect how late he is waking up (ie. it setted the alarm to 7.00 am, and he is leaving home at 8.00 am, then he will be probably late) Sep 08 15:45:16 ;) Sep 08 15:45:20 etc, etc Sep 08 15:46:17 and geekogotchi will became inteligent, living spy engine ;D Sep 08 15:47:37 ;) Sep 08 15:47:47 yeah it could record the voice call randomly Sep 08 15:47:49 geekogotchi will know python Sep 08 15:47:50 xD Sep 08 15:48:00 and when he is "angry" it just playback from here and there Sep 08 15:48:00 ;) Sep 08 15:48:10 like a papagay Sep 08 15:48:24 dos1: gsm fw trojan won't allow any other trojans and so will kill your gotchi ;-D Sep 08 15:56:29 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * reb7b95aed3a5 /fsodeviced/src/lib/accelerometer.vala: fsodeviced: add accelerometer.vala Sep 08 16:06:42 someone knows how elementary pager works? Sep 08 16:21:01 Heinervdm: content_push, content_pop Sep 08 16:21:34 Heinervdm: i'm using it in few places in opimd-utils, shr-installer Sep 08 16:21:37 with an elementary.Box or frame? Sep 08 16:21:47 Heinervdm: whatever you want :P Sep 08 16:21:52 :) Sep 08 16:21:57 Heinervdm: but most often you'll want box Sep 08 16:22:05 where in opimd-utils? Sep 08 16:22:13 opimd-contacts Sep 08 16:22:22 opimd-notes while adding/editing Sep 08 16:22:30 opimd_reply Sep 08 16:23:17 are the buttons part of pager? Sep 08 16:25:17 probably not, i will look into it Sep 08 16:41:25 Heinervdm: buttons? Sep 08 16:41:45 Next, Back Sep 08 16:41:46 Heinervdm: well, in my apps i'm using pager for whole window (or inwin) Sep 08 16:41:56 Heinervdm: but it doesn't have to Sep 08 16:42:03 oh, in shr-installer it isn't Sep 08 16:42:08 button on bottom aren't part of pager Sep 08 16:42:14 ok Sep 08 16:42:17 (IIRC) Sep 08 16:42:23 but in opimd-utils they are Sep 08 16:43:25 i will have a look at it, tomorow :) Sep 08 16:47:30 freesmartphone.org: mickey libeflvala * r2b319e67cf52 /vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: catch up with upstream as of SVN rev 42349 Sep 08 17:07:23 * dos1 is implementing KillPet method :x Sep 08 17:13:10 dos1, killPet? Sep 08 17:13:26 dos1: "c'mon little puppy, bring me the slippers!" arrrg - dead Sep 08 17:14:11 hehe ;) Sep 08 17:14:13 dos1: (Fz: stinkfoot) Sep 08 17:14:42 hey guys ! Sep 08 17:14:50 that's just debug method, i don't want to promote killing animals :P Sep 08 17:19:59 i implemented death Sep 08 17:20:04 am i god now? Sep 08 17:20:05 ;) Sep 08 17:21:51 dos1: no you are one step closer to being a convicted murderer Sep 08 17:22:05 death is a simple implementation. But only gods can implement live ;-) Sep 08 17:22:36 Docscrutinizer-8: i implemented live, but the only method of this object is "kill" now :D Sep 08 17:23:03 Docscrutinizer-8: creating new living object is implemented, but borning is still in my TODO :DD Sep 08 17:24:33 I can't reproduce, answered the eunuch Sep 08 17:43:22 dos1: hey Sep 08 17:43:59 dos1: who's currently interested in SHR images? Archlinux guys found that the way you use to create them is bogus and they now know a correct way. Sep 08 17:44:29 PaulFertser: bogus wat to create images? Sep 08 17:44:32 we're using bitbake Sep 08 17:44:36 dos1: i know Sep 08 17:44:42 s/wat/way/ Sep 08 17:44:42 dos1: but there're two issues: Sep 08 17:44:54 dos1: first, mkfs.ubifs parameters are incorrect. Sep 08 17:45:07 ah, well, ubifs wasn't tested at all AFAIK Sep 08 17:45:26 so it's known to not work... or better Sep 08 17:45:28 dos1: second, ubifs image is not directly flashable and should be "ubinized" to create a UBI image, that one can be flashed. Sep 08 17:45:32 it's not known to work Sep 08 17:45:47 ah, so you're talking only about ubifs Sep 08 17:45:51 so as i said before Sep 08 17:45:56 dos1: i'm interested to teach somebody how to correct that (== use proper mkfs.ubifs parameters and ubinize parameters). Sep 08 17:46:02 it's highly experimental Sep 08 17:46:08 PaulFertser: mrmoku|away should return soon :) Sep 08 17:46:46 dos1: meh... :-/ Sep 08 17:48:40 PaulFertser: well, i know nothing about details in our OE Sep 08 17:49:00 PaulFertser: i only know little bit about recipes ;x Sep 08 17:49:45 dos1: so what about the others? It looks like you are the only SHR member active lately. Sep 08 17:51:16 Ainulindale: can you add reiserfsprogs and reiserfs suppot to shr images? Sep 08 17:51:36 dos1: i've reinstalled your image to be sure issues weren't from me Sep 08 17:51:54 dos1: and of course ubifs command is even more wrong for gta01. Sep 08 17:52:08 add this to the buglist : 2 dialer and message icons Sep 08 17:52:42 dos1: and sketch is complaining about missing .png Sep 08 18:10:08 mrmoku|away, ping Sep 08 18:24:06 how could i forward an input device node over tcp? Sep 08 18:24:24 nc|pty is not doing anything Sep 08 18:26:52 alexxy: I don't think so it's not relevant for the default image Sep 08 18:26:58 It should be in the feed but not in the image IMHO Sep 08 18:27:00 mickey|zzZZzz: i don't think you can Sep 08 18:27:13 lindi-: hmm, bummer. Sep 08 18:27:24 mickey|zzZZzz: but accelerometer data you can surely stream over tcp Sep 08 18:27:58 (i streamed it over bluetooth to laptop to control it with phone :P) Sep 08 18:28:10 cool, that's what i want Sep 08 18:28:15 (not bluetooth though) Sep 08 18:28:37 it should appear as file on the other side though Sep 08 18:49:32 i'd like to accomplish 2 things in shr Sep 08 18:49:44 1. remember to not suspend per default Sep 08 18:50:00 2. not use illume-keyboard - i prefer literki Sep 08 18:50:30 tomboy64: accomplish? you mean "by default"? Sep 08 18:50:38 yes Sep 08 18:50:41 then i vote "no" about 2 Sep 08 18:50:48 nono Sep 08 18:50:57 that it remembers these settings when i set them Sep 08 18:51:02 oh Sep 08 18:51:09 well, you can do that Sep 08 18:51:12 suspend is always set back to enabled when i start my phone Sep 08 18:51:24 just select "None" in illume wrench -> keyboards Sep 08 18:51:28 and then add literki to autorun Sep 08 18:51:55 and about 1 -> WONTFIX in shr-settings Sep 08 18:52:18 why wontfix? Sep 08 18:52:30 tomboy64: this has to be implemented in fso Sep 08 18:52:37 oh Sep 08 18:52:41 afaik Sep 08 18:53:08 :-| Sep 08 18:53:10 sheeesh Sep 08 18:53:16 or you run an mdbus call with autostart Sep 08 18:53:20 -n Sep 08 18:53:41 mdbus? or dbus? Sep 08 18:56:30 dos1, where do i find illume wrench? Sep 08 18:57:23 tomboy64: under that little wrench in illume shelf ;x Sep 08 18:57:55 * tomboy64 feels stupid Sep 08 18:58:23 mdbus, ask dos1 for the correct call ;) Sep 08 18:58:57 dos1, what is the correct call? :-D Sep 08 18:59:06 moment Sep 08 18:59:06 pretty pretty pretty please Sep 08 18:59:36 i'm fixing bug in death because of age Sep 08 18:59:47 and after that another one in borning Sep 08 18:59:52 and then i'll help you :D Sep 08 18:59:58 feel free :) Sep 08 19:00:17 i'm grateful for any help you can give me Sep 08 19:01:00 dos1: bug fixing is good for the health - i had today one nasty one with a c++ program and once the bug is fixed your heartbeat goes back and you aren't angry ;) Sep 08 19:01:27 bumbl: what's your normal hearrate in idle mode? Sep 08 19:01:48 PaulFertser: between 60-70 Sep 08 19:02:43 what about in suspend mode? Sep 08 19:03:13 Weiss: never tried - and yours? Sep 08 19:03:31 hehe Sep 08 19:04:43 quite high. i get sleep paralysis often Sep 08 19:05:09 sleep paralysis? /me googles Sep 08 19:06:17 bumbl: 60-70? Damn high Sep 08 19:06:47 it's when you partially wake up from sleep (suspend mode) and can't move anything. it's not very nice. Sep 08 19:08:19 Today i woke up trying to beat somebody iirc. I almost hit my FM radio with a fist, just took a little bit too high :) Sep 08 19:08:55 PaulFertser: average for a grown up is ~70 - to get below 60 you have to do more sport than i do (which is a bit) Sep 08 19:09:05 PaulFertser: ;) Sep 08 19:11:37 dos1: notes editing an existing note shows - on tags - button "edit" when it should be"save" or "finish" Sep 08 19:23:40 bumbl: i guess i just measured and got 50, i'll try again in 10 min. Sep 08 19:27:34 dos1: in fact i had several conversations with BillK_ about his modem problems. I couldn't help him, the issues look too weird :-/ Sep 08 19:30:56 Anyone know the status of Paroli in shr unstable repositories? is it built daily? khiraly1 do you know? Sep 08 19:31:38 nope Sep 08 19:31:49 I run it from source. dos1 knows a bit more Sep 08 19:32:37 www.neofundas.blogspot.com -- #1024 fix possible solutions -- updated for how to remove Wifi Module Sep 08 19:33:32 UberNeo: wlan connecter -> wlan connector Sep 08 19:33:39 type Sep 08 19:33:39 typo Sep 08 19:33:40 ;) Sep 08 19:34:01 yess ..typo Sep 08 19:34:30 bumbl: 54 this time Sep 08 19:35:46 UberNeo: "gives some idea of the opened Wifi Module" <-- wrong Sep 08 19:36:29 please correct me PaulFertser Sep 08 19:37:21 UberNeo: of the insight of GSM can? Sep 08 19:37:56 this is all i am able to collect till now Sep 08 19:39:01 PaulFertser: nice ;) Sep 08 19:39:21 UberNeo: no i meant "the following photo give some idea of the insides of the GSM can" Sep 08 19:39:39 ohhh Sep 08 19:39:50 u r right Sep 08 19:40:20 i still didn't get the complete pics for opening the Wifi Module Sep 08 19:40:25 gives even Sep 08 19:40:33 UberNeo: nobody opens wifi module Sep 08 19:40:52 they just remove the wifi module Sep 08 19:41:34 UberNeo: anyway, i can't understand why you're so determined in making that page, i guess for almost everyone who can do the actual soldering almost everything mentioned is obvious. Especially given we now have searchable component placement. Sep 08 19:41:57 also first pic is with PCBA already disassembled from housing Sep 08 19:42:29 actually i just wanted to compile all the solution at a single place .. Sep 08 19:42:31 iirc Sep 08 19:42:55 may be it will be helpful for some noobs Sep 08 19:43:16 UberNeo: yes but this solution can be expressed in several simple words: C1009 should be low-ESR 22uF, that's pretty much enough for anyone qualified. At least that's my estimate. Sep 08 19:44:00 UberNeo: a good plan. But it needs a better knowledge of the background. And maybe should go to a OM wikipage rather than a blog Sep 08 19:44:02 UberNeo: noobs don't do soldering on their expensive devices. Sep 08 19:44:32 yes doc u r right Sep 08 19:45:01 UberNeo: things like disassemling Neo are on wiki already Sep 08 19:45:33 i actually tried to collect as many info as i can ..may be since its my first writing ..so a bit of garbage might be there Sep 08 19:45:44 so a simple URL ref should do Sep 08 19:46:15 but that url ref ..wont have all the pics a single place Sep 08 19:47:50 UberNeo: one don't need all the pics in a single place. Sep 08 19:47:59 sorry ..if i said something wrong here ....may be u can say that blog as a noob blog Sep 08 19:48:04 UberNeo: if you already know how to dissassemble you just don't follow the links. Sep 08 19:51:01 UberNeo: that kind of info you're gathering really belongs to the OM wiki. Sep 08 19:51:23 aptitude clean Sep 08 19:52:11 i have given all the references also ..its just the knowledge of u people ..i have just compiled it Sep 08 19:53:13 UberNeo: yes, but it's better to have it on our wiki Sep 08 19:53:51 sure ..i will put that on wiki .. Sep 08 19:53:57 no probs Sep 08 19:54:26 UberNeo: wiki is a good media. Cross-references, fast to change by anybody etc etc. Also a centralised place so one knows where to search. Sep 08 19:55:00 thanks Paul.. i will definitely do that Sep 08 19:55:11 UberNeo: thank you for your efforts Sep 08 19:55:48 :) Sep 08 20:37:05 LOL Sep 08 20:37:08 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=126369 Sep 08 20:37:57 http://asset.soup.io/asset/0453/8747_0991_800.png Sep 08 20:41:05 Help me vegyraupe is at home :-) Sep 08 20:41:50 TAsn: yep :)... i hope to have similar pageflipping in the Glamo KMS driver as well Sep 08 20:42:20 the picture is the point! Sep 08 20:42:21 :) Sep 08 20:43:15 TAsn: lol Sep 08 20:43:32 PaulFertser, you are the first lol I got. Sep 08 20:43:38 everyone else commented like Weiss Sep 08 20:43:48 "This fix really helped me" Sep 08 20:43:52 "I don't like change logs" Sep 08 20:43:54 etc etc. Sep 08 20:43:55 * Weiss meant "lol" Sep 08 20:44:03 weehee, second lol. Sep 08 20:44:03 :) Sep 08 20:44:04 TAsn: muhaaha Sep 08 20:45:17 So now we know how to get bugs fixed very promptly. Sep 08 20:45:27 mwester, aye. Sep 08 20:45:34 Someone should draw a guest comic Sep 08 20:46:23 hehe, someone should send randall (xkcd dude) a moko with an echo issue :) Sep 08 20:46:51 that'll probably get us somewhere ;) Sep 08 20:46:53 anyhow, I'm off. Sep 08 20:46:55 ciao and gn. Sep 08 21:15:24 I don't get as much time as I'd like :-( but wanted to try to use the opimd apps as far as possible. I can easily pull them out of git but what should I do in the Freerunner. What should a remove so that these opimd apps become the apps of choice? Sep 08 21:30:54 Arigead, don't need to get them from git, just install opimd-utils :) Sep 08 21:37:33 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r8393a10c390c / (8 files in 8 dirs): all: sync COPYING file with license as found in code Sep 08 22:43:37 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r82269ec3f662 /fsodeviced/src/plugins/ (accelerometer/plugin.vala accelerometer_lis302/plugin.vala): fsodeviced: accelerometer: compute movement factor to find out whether we have started or stopped to move the device's orientation Sep 08 23:00:41 freesmartphone.org: mickey cornucopia * r56099f75eb80 /fsodeviced/src/plugins/accelerometer/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: accelerometer: compare w/ the right values Sep 08 23:45:54 ping mickey l Sep 08 23:46:02 ping mickeyl Sep 09 00:21:25 pwgen, i think he's asleep Sep 09 00:25:19 raster, ping Sep 09 00:32:04 playya_ .. he comimted within the last hour to freesmartphone.org .. Sep 09 00:32:44 i pinged him an hour ago ;) Sep 09 00:36:53 playya_: pongz! Sep 09 00:37:01 hi Sep 09 00:37:30 can you add sth to illume keyboard to get constraint dictionaries? Sep 09 00:37:51 or you can remote it over a pipe or socket. Sep 09 00:38:56 if you want to use illume keyboard e.g. in navit you'll constrain the dictionary in some steps: country -> city -> street Sep 09 00:39:34 i think setting and loading a dictionary all the time might be to expensive Sep 09 00:46:14 hmm. Sep 09 00:46:28 got everything i wrote raster ? Sep 09 00:46:32 playya_: pong Sep 09 00:46:36 wrote? Sep 09 00:46:40 nup Sep 09 00:46:51 network sucky sycky long time Sep 09 00:47:11 can you add sth to illume keyboard to get constraint dictionaries? Sep 09 00:47:15 or you can remote it over a pipe or socket. Sep 09 00:47:22 if you want to use illume keyboard e.g. in navit you'll constrain the dictionary in some steps: country -> city -> street Sep 09 00:47:27 i think setting and loading a dictionary all the time might be to expensive Sep 09 00:49:22 not as expensive as the lookups Sep 09 00:49:32 every keystroke Sep 09 00:49:43 yes Sep 09 00:49:46 i'm not touching the illume kbd atm Sep 09 00:49:51 i'm splitting illume apart Sep 09 00:49:52 ok Sep 09 00:50:18 yes - i know that there needs to be programmatic support for hinting at dicts Sep 09 00:50:26 either you need a dictionary for every city or you generate them Sep 09 00:50:30 specific locales, uses etc. Sep 09 00:51:03 so why not sent a query somewhere and the app responses Sep 09 00:55:44 not possible Sep 09 00:55:44 well not sane Sep 09 00:55:44 would need to have app replicate the same fuzzy matching algo Sep 09 00:58:37 yes Sep 09 00:59:40 u cant send a query as u'd be sending every permutation (that could be millions of permutations. even billions) Sep 09 00:59:51 eg - lets assume it's an 8 letter word Sep 09 01:00:43 and each keystroke comes up with 8 chars within the "fuzz range" Sep 09 01:00:50 perfectly feasible Sep 09 01:00:57 thats 8 ^ 8 Sep 09 01:01:14 16 million combinations Sep 09 01:01:40 u want to send those via ipc each keystroke to another app to "figure out" and send back a filtered list? Sep 09 01:02:02 rememebr the app needs to not jsut filter, but also extend the dict - eplace it effectively Sep 09 01:02:41 i need vala bindings for creating dicts ;) Sep 09 01:03:16 but if you select a country you can guess the city really got Sep 09 01:03:26 s/got/good/ Sep 09 01:03:27 playya_ meant: but if you select a country you can guess the city really good Sep 09 01:04:10 argh. my touchscreen seems to be broken Sep 09 01:08:38 no. it seems to be ophonekitd **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 09 02:59:56 2009