**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 11 03:00:00 2009 Sep 11 05:05:45 DocScrutinizer-8: I've also seen that funny behaviour of window switcher, focus & titles.. Sep 11 06:38:37 lindi-: hey, if you're interested in looking a bit at g_file_storage not working problem (btw, it works with my desktop fully, with all other machines it works only with BIOSes (wanted to boot slax from my FR), but not when the kernel booted), take a look at http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/65368 , there's a method described how to isolate (and probably diagnose) udc driver problems from g_file_storage problems ... Sep 11 06:38:43 ... http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/65368 Sep 11 07:23:34 PaulFertser: can you forward that to the bug report? Sep 11 07:26:23 hello all Sep 11 08:14:51 PaulFertser: gahhh...running usbtest will likely only lead to headaches. it's taking ages and when the udc driver was sent, it was ok regarding usbtest stuff Sep 11 08:15:18 rtp: it's a bug in s3c usb code probably Sep 11 08:15:40 PaulFertser: moreover the 244x udc core has probably a bug and om guy badly workarounded it. the patch has been many times reported has not enough Sep 11 08:16:14 rtp: can I ask also you to please append this to the bug report? i will completely forget this irc conversation by tomorrow :) Sep 11 08:17:09 lindi-: I've no idea what the bug report is and if this bug is reproductible without strange stuff (eg window$), I may have a look at it (if time allows) Sep 11 08:18:40 rtp: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/cgi-bin/openmoko-bugs.py?q=g_file_storage Sep 11 08:18:51 rtp: no proprietary stuff involved Sep 11 08:19:04 PaulFertser: that reminds me that if you have bug in the udc driver, I'll be happy to know about them. I stupidly consider normal to let the author of a driver know about bugs Sep 11 08:19:16 rtp: please add all your thoughts there so that people find them when they too have time Sep 11 08:19:40 having them in irc is not very ideal, you can't search it very well Sep 11 08:21:42 lindi-: your bug reminds me of some logs I've seen from a friend having the bug I was talking about. Will try to ping my friend again to send me his patch Sep 11 08:22:26 lindi-: even without irc. there are mail adresses in the source code. Even in modinfo iirc :) Sep 11 08:35:50 lindi-: iirc, you have a n900, right ? if so, do you know what's the n900 wifi chipset & driver ? Sep 11 08:36:04 rtp: no i don't, n900 does not really work with free software Sep 11 08:36:36 rtp: i was told that wifi works with free software but you can't charge the battery Sep 11 08:37:18 rtp: "since battery management works perfectly and there is no need for a user to change it" as http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2310 demonstrates ;-) Sep 11 08:37:19 lindi-: ok. gregkh is considering dropping the n8x0 wifi driver so I was wondering if it was the same on n900 to know if the driver is dead or not Sep 11 08:37:41 rtp: i thought n8x0 had proprietary wifi driver? Sep 11 08:38:49 lindi-: they had a proprietary called cx3110x but some guy from nokia started writing a gpl driver called stl455x or something like that Sep 11 08:39:11 rtp: ah, i don't know the details but I know people who know :) Sep 11 08:39:40 lindi-: interesting :) Sep 11 09:57:01 hi Sep 11 10:05:50 hi Sep 11 10:18:19 lindi-: what's frying? Sep 11 10:23:03 DocScrutinizer-8: i haven't removed the RF shields yet Sep 11 10:26:06 lindi-: if those Nokia guys really are that concerned, may suggesting to them to process my order for N900 prioritized wasn't that bad an idea ;-) Sep 11 10:26:45 s/may/maybe/ Sep 11 10:26:45 DocScrutinizer-8 meant: lindi-: if those Nokia guys really are that concerned, maybe suggesting to them to process my order for N900 prioritized wasn't that bad an idea ;-) Sep 11 10:27:43 DocScrutinizer-8: they probably are not shipping yet? Sep 11 10:28:37 Ainulindale: ping Sep 11 10:28:46 pong Sep 11 10:29:59 they say shipping starts in 20 days. So probably time to fix any major issue already expired. But anyway, I'm not averse to look into that as soon as my order of tonight results in a device droping in here Sep 11 10:30:51 if they want decent review, they should include schematics Sep 11 10:31:42 DocScrutinizer-8: they probably won't :( Sep 11 10:31:56 you bet, Sep 11 10:32:32 at least until I start to pester them the way I did with OM ;-) Sep 11 10:35:15 well, another chance to make money for me with selling RE schematics :-P Sep 11 10:39:56 Why can't I find svn from SHR repository? Sep 11 10:40:56 they use git Sep 11 10:41:01 http://git.shr-project.org/git/ Sep 11 10:41:09 ( http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR ) Sep 11 10:41:28 Mirv: no, I mean to install SVN on SHR :) Sep 11 10:41:46 (thanks anyway :) Sep 11 10:42:04 rhkfin_: because it's not in the feed, who needs svn on the moko ;) Sep 11 10:42:14 oops, ok ;) Sep 11 10:42:23 rhkfin_: welcome to Debian! :) Sep 11 10:42:35 we have it all - svn, git, gcc, openoffice... ;) Sep 11 10:43:07 Mirv: I'll install it next week, yes :) Sep 11 10:43:15 SHR / OE is so much about cross-compiling that people are not expected to do actual development on the device itself Sep 11 10:43:26 DocScrutinizer-8: I sent email to the nokia developer about the issue Sep 11 10:43:27 Heinervdm: hmm.. err.. I'd need SVN on FR... Sep 11 10:43:58 rhkfin_: ping dos1 or mrmoku that they add it for you Sep 11 10:44:21 lindi-: hope you mentioned my offer Sep 11 10:44:25 Heinervdm: ok :) Sep 11 10:44:46 DocScrutinizer-8: i just mentioned that you were interested in the problem and waiting to get your N900 to test it Sep 11 10:44:54 mrmoku: ping - can you add SVN to SHR repository..? Sep 11 10:45:06 lindi-: great Sep 11 10:45:37 DocScrutinizer-8: so please, put all your thoughts to the bug tracker so that he and others at nokia can see it :) Sep 11 10:45:53 will do Sep 11 10:50:07 rhkfin_, will do Sep 11 10:51:17 mrmoku: great, thanks! Sep 11 10:54:06 erm, can somebody help me with an segv'ing ophonekitd? Sep 11 10:54:35 klinuxer, what does the log say? (/var/log/ophonekitd.log) Sep 11 10:55:06 something with dbus ... Sep 11 10:55:13 klinuxer, pastebin=? Sep 11 10:55:30 i'm already doing ;) Sep 11 10:57:23 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/139205/ Sep 11 10:57:48 mrmoku: probably "..bla...strongly deprecated.. bla" ;-) Sep 11 10:58:33 DocScrutinizer-8, which would not cause it to segfault :P Sep 11 10:58:58 DocScrutinizer-8, oh, no something different ;) Sep 11 10:59:00 Failed to handle dbus error: The permission of the setuid helper is not correct, 80 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 Sep 11 10:59:14 yeah Sep 11 10:59:20 klinuxer, what are you running? Sep 11 10:59:27 (which distro I mean) Sep 11 10:59:29 shr-unstable Sep 11 10:59:29 never heard that Sep 11 10:59:47 dbus config? Sep 11 11:00:27 klinuxer: version? Sep 11 11:00:43 err, date? Sep 11 11:00:59 Time Stamp: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:48:00 +0200 Sep 11 11:01:09 (of last upgrade?) Sep 11 11:01:32 yesterday, about 2 o'clock UTC Sep 11 11:01:41 klinuxer, root@om-gta02 ~ $ ls -l /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper Sep 11 11:01:42 hmm, Sep 11 11:01:48 JaMa: aha, my crash isn't specific to the KMS driver... Sep 11 11:01:58 klinuxer: what are you doing? Sep 11 11:02:23 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 37568 Sep 11 02:15 /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper Sep 11 11:02:46 -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 37568 2009-06-26 12:29 /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper Sep 11 11:02:52 DocScrutinizer-8, good question, nothing Sep 11 11:02:54 in the latest shr-unstable i'm incapable of adding or modifying (didn't try deleting) any contacts Sep 11 11:02:54 is what I have... so that would be the problem Sep 11 11:02:55 hmm, stickybit Sep 11 11:03:01 is that a known problem? Sep 11 11:03:01 Weiss: great, it something in xorg -git-master? Sep 11 11:03:32 * mrmoku tries to modify some contact Sep 11 11:03:54 klinuxer: chmod u+s /.././dbus-launcher-fooooo Sep 11 11:04:07 i only noticed after doing opkg update/-grade Sep 11 11:04:15 ok, thank you :) Sep 11 11:04:21 now it runs Sep 11 11:04:25 tomboy64, works fine Sep 11 11:04:30 sheeesh Sep 11 11:04:34 err dbus-daemon-launch-helper* Sep 11 11:04:38 * tomboy64 smacks his head Sep 11 11:04:48 so, any log files to investigate? Sep 11 11:04:52 something i might have broken? Sep 11 11:04:56 except for my sometimes appearing problem that he thinks dbus is not available Sep 11 11:04:58 klinuxer, would be interesting to know how that happened... Sep 11 11:05:07 yep Sep 11 11:05:13 strange Sep 11 11:05:19 JaMa: yes, i think so. trying the very latest right now.. Sep 11 11:05:24 i don't know, i really did nothing, why should i change the permissions ... Sep 11 11:05:37 ~lart opkg Sep 11 11:05:37 * bzzbot burns opkg to a crisp with a laser Sep 11 11:05:39 especially since we run everything root so it mustn't be any issue Sep 11 11:06:00 DocScrutinizer-8, dbus does not run as root Sep 11 11:06:08 duh Sep 11 11:06:15 it runs as messagebus user Sep 11 11:06:21 wow Sep 11 11:06:27 Weiss: I'm trying very latest updated everyday.. do you have that patch for libpciaccess? Sep 11 11:06:32 at least one sane subsystem Sep 11 11:06:36 :) Sep 11 11:06:56 for systems with normal users who should not gain root permissions seems to be good Sep 11 11:07:25 rhkfin_, bad news... one of subversions deps does not build :( Sep 11 11:07:44 but do you know what that means: Sep 11 11:08:10 mrmoku: talking deps... did you fix gpe-sketch? Sep 11 11:08:23 in the log of ophonekitd: list_resources(), list_resources_callback(), dbus not available, try again in 5s Sep 11 11:08:47 and it's recurring all the time Sep 11 11:09:10 and i want to be able to stop ophonekitd with ^C :D Sep 11 11:09:25 DocScrutinizer-8, not yet... but fix is easy :) Sep 11 11:09:36 i know Sep 11 11:09:51 just to remind you ;-) Sep 11 11:10:00 ok, restarted ophonekitd, now GSM instead of dbus is not available Sep 11 11:10:44 klinuxer: cranking up system is a mess. just reboot Sep 11 11:11:05 ok ^^ Sep 11 11:13:40 klinuxer: those "...retry in 5 sec..." msgs are not that unusual. Nevertheless eventually they should stop. Need to enter PIN to enable GSM I guess Sep 11 11:14:30 DocScrutinizer-8, but i didn't get the PIN-dialog Sep 11 11:14:49 that's why I suggested reboot Sep 11 11:14:59 DocScrutinizer-8, and in shr-settings GSM was realy disabled .. Sep 11 11:15:06 s/realy/really/ Sep 11 11:15:07 klinuxer meant: DocScrutinizer-8, and in shr-settings GSM was really disabled .. Sep 11 11:16:41 ok, works now Sep 11 11:16:54 u c? :-D Sep 11 11:17:35 yes ^^ Sep 11 11:21:27 mrmoku, could you close "contacts", reopen it and see if the new contact is still there? Sep 11 11:22:04 i looked up decimal for python because of ebrainy Sep 11 11:22:24 the decimal module should be in the standard installation, but it isn't Sep 11 11:22:37 tomboy64, yep... did that and it is still there Sep 11 11:22:39 standard python installation Sep 11 11:22:48 hm Sep 11 11:22:52 not good :( Sep 11 11:23:28 tomboy64: new contact vanished? I had this on "too long" name :-/ Sep 11 11:23:44 i like giving long names :-| Sep 11 11:24:02 but a "test" with the number "1234" disappeared, too Sep 11 11:24:22 I hate the no-warning-mv-to-null policy Sep 11 11:24:39 hmm Sep 11 11:25:11 tomboy64, you are using the Contacts icon on the desktop... not opimd-utils, right? Sep 11 11:25:12 sim storage full? Sep 11 11:25:58 U can check in settings-phone Sep 11 11:26:01 contacts icon on desktop, right Sep 11 11:26:12 DocScrutinizer, huh? i want my contacts to be stored on the phone! Sep 11 11:27:09 tomboy64, not with the standard shr-contacts app ;) Sep 11 11:27:14 (not yet) Sep 11 11:27:16 sheeeesh! Sep 11 11:27:24 tomboy64: alas contacts doesn't care what U want ;-) Sep 11 11:27:39 ok Sep 11 11:28:16 that's where I went off with SHR bashing yesterday. Don't get me started again :-/ Sep 11 11:28:38 does a wikipage for a wishlist for opimd-contacts exist? Sep 11 11:29:02 what app can i use that allows me a) "arbitrary" contact name length, b) integrates with shr-messages, pyphonelog and dialer? Sep 11 11:29:16 or is there an alternative *usable*/*stable* set of utils? Sep 11 11:29:40 tomboy64, opimd-utils is a testing app which can use the other backends of opimd Sep 11 11:30:06 atm SHR is far from being at par with a 10 year old stupid cellphone. Despite all that polished surfaces Sep 11 11:30:48 someone has to rewrite libframeworkd-phonegui-efl Sep 11 11:31:13 DocScrutinizer, shr finally made my neo remotely usable Sep 11 11:31:23 so i'm content with it for now Sep 11 11:32:08 klinuxer, is it usable? Sep 11 11:32:48 (remotely useable) that was true for my 15 year old Nokia 2110 as well. Still SHR has few for phone that 2110 doesn't Sep 11 11:33:02 DocScrutinizer-8, gpe-sketchbook is fixed and building right now Sep 11 11:33:55 tomboy64, very usable ^^ Sep 11 11:34:09 klinuxer, i was being ironic :) Sep 11 11:34:18 tomboy64: redial was a matter of 2 keyclicks 15 years ago. Nowadays that's not implementable as subsystems don't play nicely to each other Sep 11 11:34:23 i was pleasantly surprised when i installed shr once again last monday Sep 11 11:34:51 tomboy64, except for that, that you still have to use the illume keyboard for entering the phone numbers :P Sep 11 11:35:15 klinuxer, huh? Sep 11 11:35:24 do you mean in dialer? Sep 11 11:36:22 dialer doesn't work for that, dialer uses the old shr-contacts for storing the number Sep 11 11:36:57 I need to redial frequently, and I start to hate phonelog Sep 11 11:37:22 hrm Sep 11 11:37:32 since the last shr update I seem to be unable to change domain backends... Sep 11 11:37:43 i also don't like phonelog, it would be nicer if all the pim-stuff would be integrated in one large app Sep 11 11:38:22 that sorts differently Sep 11 11:38:25 and as I see there is no progress at all wrt that, I'll bin the device in 20 days Sep 11 11:38:52 DocScrutinizer-8, lame argument... you will bin it anyway when your N900 arrives ;) Sep 11 11:39:03 exactly Sep 11 11:39:40 blindcoder, when was your last shr update? Sep 11 11:39:50 klinuxer: last weekend Sep 11 11:40:12 also, I'm unable to delete messages from the SIM card, which in turn means I can't receive messages anymore :P Sep 11 11:40:14 mine is working fine, i've updated yesterday .. Sep 11 11:40:46 * blindcoder tries opkg update Sep 11 11:42:42 update shr-setting to 0.1.1-r396, but clicking on 'SQLite-Messages' still doesn't do anything Sep 11 11:43:11 mrmoku: I started using FR when I felt it's minimum functional as a daily phone, to get a first hand impression for my hw centric POV. I found the hw is what it is, and the sw didn't improve beyond the point where I actually would want to keep using it. So FR's days are counted Sep 11 11:43:28 http://pastebin.org/17169 Sep 11 11:43:33 that's the error I get when clicking Sep 11 11:44:04 guess I need to update another package Sep 11 11:44:41 try updating frameworkd i think Sep 11 12:27:14 hi all Sep 11 12:28:13 hi Sep 11 12:37:58 DocScrutinizer have you ever used pidgin? Sep 11 12:38:13 yes Sep 11 12:38:27 kinda gave me goosepimples Sep 11 12:38:37 you know we have "simple" protocol... Sep 11 12:38:54 it's for sip VoIP Sep 11 12:38:55 no idea Sep 11 12:39:19 yep... trust me ;) Sep 11 12:40:24 a21_work, SIP as in SIP PRESENCE or real telephony? Sep 11 12:41:14 umh.. I do not know... I'm searching for any infos :P Sep 11 12:41:34 because... it could be interesting alternative to linphone or others Sep 11 12:42:20 but... it's difficult to search "simple" on google :D Sep 11 12:42:25 a21_work, I don't think pidgin does telephony Sep 11 12:42:36 a21_work: mrmoku: simple is SIP PRESENCE and INFO (instant messaging) Sep 11 12:43:02 aah ok... so it's not really interesting :P Sep 11 12:43:12 tnx DocScrutinizer Sep 11 12:43:17 sip instant messaging & presence ;-) Sep 11 12:43:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol Sep 11 12:43:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMPLE Sep 11 12:44:29 ooh! ok for the urls Sep 11 12:44:34 tnx Sep 11 12:44:48 SIP is session initiation protocol. Session can be quite different things, VoIP by RTP just one of them Sep 11 12:47:52 klinuxer: okay, works fine now :) Sep 11 12:49:36 klinuxer: are you using your freerunner as a daily phone? Sep 11 12:50:13 mmh... anyone knows a repository with .ipk for linphone? :D Sep 11 12:50:21 ..because: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Linphone Sep 11 12:50:37 and I do not know of any other repo Sep 11 12:52:03 (or equivalent voip sip software) Sep 11 12:52:50 mrmoku: ^ ;-D Sep 11 12:57:08 DocScrutinizer-8, the twinkle nightmare :( Sep 11 12:57:17 hehehe Sep 11 12:57:23 giggle Sep 11 12:57:44 * mrmoku wakes up in the middle of the night... in horror... dreaming of twinkles deps ;) Sep 11 12:58:02 believe me it's not less of a nightmare to build on desktopPC Sep 11 12:58:49 DocScrutinizer, yup I believe you :) Sep 11 12:59:03 * mrmoku off to eat some tiramisu :P Sep 11 12:59:14 ..what are you building? Sep 11 12:59:14 heh, great idea Sep 11 12:59:28 * DocScrutinizer notices he missed brunch... Sep 11 12:59:33 a21 Sep 11 12:59:42 twinklephone.com Sep 11 13:00:19 for your convenience http://twinklephone.com Sep 11 13:00:35 wow... is it for shr? ;) Sep 11 13:00:54 a21_work: not YET :-D Sep 11 13:01:22 ghghgh Sep 11 13:01:28 and I honestly doubt it ever will be Sep 11 13:01:45 why not linphone? Sep 11 13:02:11 IMHO linphone is crap, ever hasbeen, and will stay like this Sep 11 13:02:23 YMMV Sep 11 13:03:06 yes... but it's a working crap :P Sep 11 13:03:16 it's like windows notepad vs openoffice Sep 11 13:03:33 wooow, i like notepad :D Sep 11 13:04:30 well, I like to have brunch now Sep 11 13:04:47 hehehe Sep 11 13:04:56 enjoy your eating Sep 11 13:12:26 anyone here actually using the freerunner for calling people? if so, are you using handset mode? and which state files do you use? Sep 11 13:13:03 blindcoder: you can ask! Sep 11 13:13:15 I use fr as my daily phone Sep 11 13:13:16 DocScrutinizer-8: sure can ;) Sep 11 13:13:30 DocScrutinizer-8: and I'm only getting started Sep 11 13:13:39 a21_work: did you change anything with the gsmhandset.state file? Sep 11 13:13:52 I try (and keep failing) to get some decent settings Sep 11 13:14:08 blindcoder: did you read the wiki? Sep 11 13:14:26 DocScrutinizer-8: the audio subsystem page? yes Sep 11 13:14:28 as it's all in there I think Sep 11 13:14:44 DocScrutinizer-8: that's what I use as base for fiddling with the settings Sep 11 13:15:05 so where is the problem? Sep 11 13:15:19 no, I'm using 06-Aug-2009 unstable image "vanilla" Sep 11 13:15:27 except it's really clumsy Sep 11 13:15:32 DocScrutinizer-8: sound is as if I'm in a big empty hall Sep 11 13:16:06 DocScrutinizer-8: last one or two syllables don't get through at all Sep 11 13:16:24 blindcoder: you hear echo or your parner hears you as in a hall? Sep 11 13:16:36 a21_work: partner hears me as if in a hall Sep 11 13:16:46 ok, known bug Sep 11 13:16:56 echo Sep 11 13:17:07 no echo Sep 11 13:17:15 a21_work: it's a gta02v7 Sep 11 13:17:16 but should be fixed now Sep 11 13:17:28 hrm Sep 11 13:17:44 a21_work: I have no package left to upgrade Sep 11 13:17:52 too high mic sensitivity catching up actual room reverb, plus noisegate too harsh Sep 11 13:18:07 DocScrutinizer-8: sounds about right Sep 11 13:18:26 mh... have you played with mixer or settings? defaults are ok for me Sep 11 13:18:48 don't think mic sensitivity can be handled in software... Sep 11 13:18:55 a21_work: tried to, but failed so far Sep 11 13:19:06 duh Sep 11 13:19:12 there is a control for mic you must set 0 Sep 11 13:19:19 please read wiki once more Sep 11 13:19:34 a21_work: nonsense Sep 11 13:19:39 no? Sep 11 13:19:53 please read wiki once more Sep 11 13:20:47 you want #41(?) gain to 2 or 3 probably, and adjust with #4 (#5, #6?) Sep 11 13:20:56 please read wiki once more Sep 11 13:22:18 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Alsa_state_a7 Sep 11 13:22:23 that one? Sep 11 13:22:40 that one is a "spinoff" Sep 11 13:22:59 which I found not that helpful Sep 11 13:23:47 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls Sep 11 13:25:06 aah... I was outdated :P Sep 11 13:46:25 Ainulindale: I'm working on more docs! :) Sep 11 13:46:33 mickeyl: yeppee =) Sep 11 13:46:33 Ainulindale: see http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Implementations/fsodeviced Sep 11 13:46:36 Ainulindale: see http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Implementations/fsousaged Sep 11 13:46:37 etc. Sep 11 13:46:42 thought you would like that ;) Sep 11 13:47:03 it was about time *cough* Sep 11 13:48:07 blindcoder: a21_work: so after reading the corresponding wikipages, you've learned how to adjust audio? If mic catches up too much ambient noise or reverb from room: reduce #5. If low parts of your voice are cut out: set ti_calypso_dsp_mode in /etc/frameworkd.conf to a more gentle setting (you might want to keep AEC there, just reduce ANR. A pitty FSO doesn't support raw 0xNNNN values as I recommended). If you have echo (far end hears own Sep 11 13:48:09 voice): adjust as before to increase AEC. If earpiece is too low: follow recommendations in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls and finally adjust level with control #4 Sep 11 13:51:14 yep tnx DocScrutinizer... anyway I've a plain neo v360 w/o hw fix Sep 11 13:51:36 the vanilla works for me Sep 11 13:51:39 a21_work: so what? these instructions are generic Sep 11 13:51:52 aah, ok :-D Sep 11 13:51:56 yes, but I do not need any tweaks Sep 11 13:51:58 :) Sep 11 13:52:23 .oO( and now someone should put this to a suitable wiki page... Sep 11 13:53:42 DocScrutinizer: with your new n900 will you then drop out of this community or still be interested in (true) open devices? Sep 11 13:54:58 mmh... I'm thinking about cutoff... Sep 11 13:55:47 to keep the 0xN.... for the echo... should I set "long-aec" ? Sep 11 13:55:57 PaulFertser: ping Sep 11 13:55:58 or it's a different thing? Sep 11 13:57:42 mickeyl: I probably will continue to share that little bit of hw knowledge I gathered about OM devices, but probably I won't push anymore on any SW development, as I'm more interested in a PHONE than in An OPEN phone Sep 11 13:58:00 k Sep 11 13:58:02 and what's "short-aec"? are these settings transladed to an %N like value in gsm? Sep 11 13:58:18 yep Sep 11 13:58:45 FSO only supports a subset of possible setups regrettably Sep 11 13:59:54 so... in other words... any aec setting is translated as the same %N instruction? Sep 11 14:00:27 or we actually have in fr different echo reductions Sep 11 14:00:29 ? Sep 11 14:00:29 lonf and short AutomaticEchoCancellation probably refer to the roundtrip time of signal from earpiece/speaker to mic Sep 11 14:01:08 aah, nothing to do with the %N182 ? (do not remember the parameter value) Sep 11 14:01:37 gsm AT command Sep 11 14:02:15 yes, it's exactly that AT%Nxxxx Sep 11 14:03:38 "%N0187" Sep 11 14:04:04 ok Sep 11 14:04:15 mickeyl: of course when FSO goes N900 and maybe even nicely integrates into an existing system, or any smooth migration path shows up - then I'm still highly interested in an OPEN PHONE on competitive hw Sep 11 14:05:36 hrm, using dsp_mode 'none' all people I test-called could understand me just fine Sep 11 14:05:50 didn't know this setting before Sep 11 14:05:56 yes, I know, I don't want 'none' there :P Sep 11 14:06:25 but I want clear audiosignal before cutting off things again Sep 11 14:06:26 DocScrutinizer-8: ya, i can imagine. i'm afraid it's unlikely though. Sep 11 14:06:37 I've put "none" right now... I want test it for a day or two Sep 11 14:06:39 :D Sep 11 14:06:57 a21_work: yeah, well, we have a noisy AC at work, so it probably won't do :) Sep 11 14:06:59 a21_work: well the "0187" part is exactly what I recommended to have as raw value alternative in FSO settings. For now you have to select from a limited set of possible values (in FSO) Sep 11 14:07:21 DocScrutinizer: what is the closest to 0187? Sep 11 14:07:48 blindcoder: ask mickey Sep 11 14:08:48 check http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py;h=c86ceee43685acefcbed1e0bec5e1b382f7a51d3;hb=master Sep 11 14:09:02 mapping is documented there Sep 11 14:09:17 coool Sep 11 14:09:20 tnx mickeyl Sep 11 14:09:23 aec+nr is 0187 Sep 11 14:09:23 np Sep 11 14:12:24 so, I've no audio problems due to that Sep 11 14:13:12 I'll try "0083" and "0283" Sep 11 14:13:30 (only echo and no nr) Sep 11 14:13:40 good plan Sep 11 14:14:18 also I recommend short AEC for handset mode Sep 11 14:14:32 why? Sep 11 14:14:32 long aes for speakerphone mode Sep 11 14:14:39 ah Sep 11 14:14:55 alas we don't set these together with scenario afaik Sep 11 14:15:04 and what about using long in handset mode? Sep 11 14:15:38 any cons? Sep 11 14:15:46 AEC might introduce atrefacts which tend to be more annoying for long AEC Sep 11 14:16:17 ah Sep 11 14:16:24 like? Sep 11 14:16:52 also processor power of DSP might not allow for good AEC when "spread" over a longer window to clean up Sep 11 14:17:18 (like) strange echo introduced by AEC itself Sep 11 14:17:32 I understand Sep 11 14:17:57 even speech sounds like backwards or randomly mixed up sequence Sep 11 14:18:07 strange effects Sep 11 14:18:31 but... default should be long AEC, right? Sep 11 14:18:46 Ainulindale, ping Sep 11 14:18:54 dunno what it *should* be Sep 11 14:19:02 fine Sep 11 14:19:07 mrmoku: pong Sep 11 14:19:10 atm it *is* afaik Sep 11 14:19:23 Ainulindale, I want to eliminate shr.bblass Sep 11 14:19:32 and there is one thing I don't know what its for Sep 11 14:19:34 SHR_RELEASE Sep 11 14:19:57 No idea either and I'm reaaaally busy right now Sep 11 14:20:02 it get's set in various recipes and the shr.bbclass... but it's used nowhere Sep 11 14:20:05 ahh, ok Sep 11 14:20:12 Really sorry but I won't be available until tomorrow Sep 11 14:20:17 Ainulindale, ok Sep 11 14:20:22 yeah, I'm just sayng... I do not think I've this artefacts right now... so I could use w/o any bad consequence Sep 11 14:20:22 np Sep 11 14:21:16 anyway I'll try both Sep 11 14:21:41 I just want to remove or reduce cutoffs Sep 11 14:23:07 okay, everything seems to be fine now :D Sep 11 14:23:38 blindcoder: what? Sep 11 14:23:39 even my gf, outspoken enemy of my freerunners sound performance and always complaining when I call her from it, didn't even realize I was calling from the FR just now Sep 11 14:24:01 nice Sep 11 14:24:13 which changes u made? Sep 11 14:24:16 ti_calypso_dsp_mode = short-aec Sep 11 14:24:23 mickeyl: could you look at /etc/init.d/alsa-state, check that FSO is loading a default scenario anyway, and confirm thus this whole step of alsa-stae in init/shutdown is moot at best, maybe evil if we e.g. remove hs-jack when device powered down Sep 11 14:24:37 a21_work: also some changes to gsmhandset.state Sep 11 14:25:04 Speaker Playback Volume is 115, Mono Playback Volume is 101, Mono Sidetone Playback Volume is 7 and Mic2 Capture Volume is 0 Sep 11 14:25:05 blindcoder: gimme five! :-) Sep 11 14:25:09 DocScrutinizer-8: ^5 Sep 11 14:25:19 that's the diff to the current gsmhandset.state Sep 11 14:25:30 Mic2 Capture Volume is 0!!! as I said before ;) Sep 11 14:25:36 DocScrutinizer-8: thanks for the help (again) :) Sep 11 14:25:37 DocScrutinizer-8: sure thing, from an FSO perspective we don't need all that fuddling of /etc/init.d/alsa-state Sep 11 14:26:21 mrmoku: please remove /etc/init.d/alsa-stae and associated rl-links Sep 11 14:27:10 mrmoku: init.d/alsa-state is WRONG Sep 11 14:29:34 a21_work: this captureVol=0 will work, but causes more noise (hiss) in mic audio, and you'll run in severe trouble if ever you want to record the audio od a call via ADC Sep 11 14:30:30 mh :S Sep 11 14:31:49 DocScrutinizer-8: that's not critical to me at the moment, but something one should remember Sep 11 14:32:17 blindcoder: please read wiki once more Sep 11 14:33:05 <\marco> hi to all Sep 11 14:33:36 blindcoder: the idea is to have mic gain (48) so high as to get good level inside mixer, then adjust gsm senistivity for mic with mixer output control (#5?) Sep 11 14:34:32 yes, I've seen that Sep 11 14:34:32 <\marco> Sorry for asking but... why there's no update image of SHR? I've to update with opkg update? Is it safe now? Sep 11 14:34:33 <\marco> :) Sep 11 14:35:11 \marco: I did an update today and am still calling people Sep 11 14:35:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * refa671e57a67 10/ (examples/eina/eina.vala vapi/elm.vapi): Sep 11 14:35:17 freesmartphone.org: elm.vapi: bind new Photocam object Sep 11 14:35:17 freesmartphone.org: eina.vala: remove deprecated functions Sep 11 14:35:26 \marco: although I did immediately 'opkg install --force-reinstall fso-abyss' and rebooted Sep 11 14:35:26 <\marco> blindcoder: good! :) Sep 11 14:35:46 so is everyone using abyss these days? Sep 11 14:35:52 can i remove support for gsm0710muxd in frameworkd? Sep 11 14:35:53 blindcoder: if you do the steps suggested in wiki "mixer controls" just now, you get even a little better sound than atm, and your levels for the other controls are more sane,*and* you may suggest these settings as a proven good set then Sep 11 14:36:11 mickeyl: no idea, I think I might have both installed on my moko... no idea why, though Sep 11 14:36:16 <\marco> blindcoder: oh :) ok I'll keep it in mind Sep 11 14:36:56 DocScrutinizer-8: for today, I'm happy it is usable _at all_. I'll go for more sane settings after the next 'dd' backup :) Sep 11 14:37:25 mickeyl: ti_calypso_muxer = fso-abyss Sep 11 14:37:27 mickeyl: though Sep 11 14:38:45 mickeyl: fso-abyss is default now Sep 11 14:39:14 good. i can remove the stupid keep-alive-workaround on ogsmd level then and just use abyss' one Sep 11 14:39:28 err... wakeup-i mean Sep 11 14:39:40 since abyss handles this transparently on muxer level Sep 11 14:39:46 (which is the only sane way, actually) Sep 11 14:40:02 mickeyl: how is wakeup in gprs handled? Sep 11 14:40:51 same way Sep 11 14:41:07 muxer just remembers when he was talking on any line Sep 11 14:41:15 once the timeout is reached Sep 11 14:41:20 sending a wakeup packet Sep 11 14:41:27 before sending the next data packet Sep 11 14:41:30 I intended to test the "fist ping packet always lost" issue but wasn't able to open mickeyterm to send at%sleep=1 Sep 11 14:41:56 yeah, for abyss, you need mickeyterm to run with additional parameters Sep 11 14:42:02 else it tries to talk to the gsm0710muxd Sep 11 14:42:08 ooh Sep 11 14:43:24 newer versions autodetect that Sep 11 14:43:27 maybe we could update mickeyterm same step as killing muxer then? (hint hint) Sep 11 14:44:04 yeah, i don't see any value in supporting gsm0710muxd anymore Sep 11 14:44:08 aah, so then it probably was no more free channel, as I initially thought Sep 11 14:44:11 abyss has proven to be more robust Sep 11 14:44:15 and clean Sep 11 14:44:29 will do that before ms6 release Sep 11 14:45:16 mickeyl: how could I issue a AT%sleep=1 while gprs is up? Sep 11 14:45:45 you can use the DebugCommand interface Sep 11 14:45:49 is there a dbus call to send arbitrary commands? Sep 11 14:45:52 let me construct the command line for you Sep 11 14:46:00 heh :-)) Sep 11 14:46:13 could also use cli-framework Sep 11 14:46:16 might be simpler Sep 11 14:46:18 so open cli-framework Sep 11 14:46:21 then you have a python prompt Sep 11 14:46:24 then you type Sep 11 14:46:33 gsmdebug.DebugCommand( "AT%SLEEP=1\r\n" ) Sep 11 14:46:35 that should be it Sep 11 14:46:46 thanks :-) Sep 11 14:46:51 beware not to forget the \r\n at the ned Sep 11 14:46:53 end Sep 11 14:46:58 k Sep 11 14:47:10 actually, i don't know whether your're supposed to give the AT prefix there or not Sep 11 14:47:15 let me check the source Sep 11 14:47:27 nah, i'll find out Sep 11 14:47:44 k Sep 11 14:47:49 just be careful with this interface Sep 11 14:47:57 as you can crash the whole state machine Sep 11 14:48:00 with bogus input Sep 11 14:48:03 :) Sep 11 14:48:15 hehe, good. Like it this way ;-P Sep 11 14:48:44 * DocScrutinizer c&p for later processing. Then off for brunch finally Sep 11 14:48:58 ~bon appetit Sep 11 15:00:19 blindcoder, sorry, was working on the other computer, yes and no, i'm using neo as a daily phone, but not like one :D Sep 11 15:11:10 wasn't there literki in the shr repository? Sep 11 15:13:22 mrmoku: just sent reciepe for pisi Sep 11 15:16:52 Heinervdm, ok :) Sep 11 15:19:43 Heinervdm: k-s told me, you just need to keep trying to download the git repository of webkit-efl Sep 11 15:19:50 and he has difficulties with it too Sep 11 15:20:08 Heinervdm: he also implemented for us the user agent changer in eve Sep 11 15:20:21 and also tried out gmail with it... Sep 11 15:20:33 khiraly1: nice to heat (the user agent thing) Sep 11 15:21:02 Heinervdm: I will also collaborate with him on the gui side of eve. Because it is not finger friendly at all in his current state Sep 11 15:21:11 s/his/its/ Sep 11 15:21:12 khiraly1 meant: Heinervdm: I will also collaborate with him on the gui side of eve. Because it is not finger friendly at all in its current state Sep 11 15:21:29 but for a bb reciepe the repository has to work, because if it doesn't work it will block every other build Sep 11 15:21:49 Heinervdm: can we *manually* clone the git repository to some server? Sep 11 15:22:07 and adjust the bb recipe to download from this server instead of webkit-efl git? Sep 11 15:22:26 khiraly1: we can Sep 11 15:22:33 and we can update on that server from times to times Sep 11 15:22:47 Heinervdm: Im asking, because I have no such server at my hand.... Sep 11 15:23:13 khiraly1: me too, but perhaps SHR? Sep 11 15:23:26 Heinervdm: and obviously I want to push eve, because they are collaborating and open for gui ideas, so I think it can be the best browser for small screen Sep 11 15:24:26 mrmoku: what do you think about cloning webkit-efl on git.shr-project.org, so we can use current git version? Sep 11 15:24:43 khiraly1: yes, eve has much potential Sep 11 15:25:31 ok, I think im done with it;) Thank you very much Heinervdm Sep 11 15:25:44 Im eagger to try out the new build and change the user agent string Sep 11 15:25:51 Heinervdm, hmm... what is the problem with webkit-efl? Sep 11 15:26:03 mrmoku: hard to download, often timeouts Sep 11 15:26:16 mrmoku: git read-tree faild Sep 11 15:26:18 Hi at all, could I explain my problem? Sep 11 15:26:49 Heinervdm, what is the url of the webkit-efl repo? Sep 11 15:27:00 sure Sep 11 15:27:16 mrmoku: git://gitorious.org/webkit-efl/webkit-efl.git;protocol=git Sep 11 15:27:23 sorry, forgot @airon Sep 11 15:28:23 mrmoku: if you want to see the error, you can try webkit-efl reciepe without the tag=webkit-efl-${PV} and SRCREV set to AUTOREV Sep 11 15:29:26 @ klinuxer: Thank you!!! I bought an OpenMoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 from an american but I didn't know that in Italy, where I live, there are different radio band of the GSM. How could I change them? Sep 11 15:30:11 airon: that's a difference in the hardware Sep 11 15:30:16 airon: no Sep 11 15:30:45 airon, shouldn't the moko be 800/900/1900 and so have the right bands for europe? Sep 11 15:31:05 So the only one thing that I could do is to sell it on eBay or similia? Sep 11 15:31:23 klinuxer: thats nonexistent Sep 11 15:31:31 i mean 900/1800/1900/ Sep 11 15:31:49 klinuxer: the US version is 850/1800/1900/ Sep 11 15:32:02 oh, ok Sep 11 15:32:14 airon: you can use all 1800 carriers Sep 11 15:32:54 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#On_what_bands_does_the_Neo_FreeRunner_operate.3F_Will_it_work_in_my_area.3F Sep 11 15:33:26 * GSM Sep 11 15:33:28 o Tri band 850/1800/1900 MHz Sep 11 15:33:29 o Tri band 900/1800/1900 MHz Sep 11 15:33:40 @ DocMobilizer: What could I use (sorry ._.)? Sep 11 15:33:52 airon: I used 850device here in D for month and didn't even realize, on O2 Sep 11 15:35:07 Ehm... so? Sep 11 15:35:11 airon: you got D-band and E-band Sep 11 15:35:36 your D is wrong freq Sep 11 15:36:06 you still can use E-band providers Sep 11 15:36:51 O2 e.g is E-band, here in D Sep 11 15:37:27 And... how could I do this? Sep 11 15:37:32 Eplus as well ;-) Sep 11 15:37:54 Sorry but I don't know anything about mobile phone components Sep 11 15:38:01 vodafone and tcom are D Sep 11 15:38:38 just search for operators ;) Sep 11 15:39:44 put your sim, boot your neo and shr-settings > phone > operators Sep 11 15:40:28 airon: if you got very good signal (urbab areas), even 900-Dband works for your 850 device Sep 11 15:40:28 Is Vodafone D? Pfew! How could I know if my operator (mine is Tre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutchison_3G) ) is E? Sep 11 15:41:04 3 is umts only! Sep 11 15:41:07 afaik Sep 11 15:41:20 airon: check their website Sep 11 15:41:23 wow, university is great Sep 11 15:41:26 I tried with a Tre sim and I didn't get any signal. With a Vodafone sim I get a very very few signal Sep 11 15:41:34 i met 2 other openmoko users in the first 2 days Sep 11 15:41:54 farhaven: where are you from? :) Sep 11 15:42:06 germany Sep 11 15:42:07 nrw Sep 11 15:42:09 paderborn :D Sep 11 15:42:15 Ok, thank you for your attention :DDDDDDDD Sep 11 15:45:59 hmm "With a Vodafone sim I get a very very few signal" -- exactly what i told ;) Sep 11 15:46:29 DocMobilizer: airon: H3G is not a gsm operator Sep 11 15:46:54 afaik ack Sep 11 15:47:43 and FR is not a UMTS device ;) Sep 11 15:52:06 c u I go :) \o/ yeah Sep 11 15:54:45 Heinervdm, building webkit-efl on my local buildhost... will take some time though :P Sep 11 15:55:14 mrmoku: i know, i build it very often ;) Sep 11 16:00:56 Heinervdm, will take my dinner in between... and see what happened when I come back :-) Sep 11 16:01:30 mrmoku|away: i will go to a Polterabend, so tell me tomorrow :) Sep 11 16:02:48 Heinervdm: happy dish-breaking ;-D Sep 11 16:03:46 DocMobilizer: ;) Let's make a lot of trash :D Sep 11 16:04:46 oooh there - u seen it? flying sorcer Sep 11 16:06:33 you happy, with the idea of FSO for phones you're well known, but if it is for the desktop pc nobody knows the project :P Sep 11 16:20:25 klinuxer: i use FSO on my laptop :) Sep 11 16:27:51 mickeyl: which reminds me: signal lid-closed etc? Sep 11 16:29:24 yeah. usually you get this via an input key, hence if you configure this in frameworkd.conf, you'll get a dbus signal on such events. works fine on clamshell phones such as the ezx series. Sep 11 16:29:38 mickeyl: in the end there's other phones which have slide-out kbd, are clamshell or such Sep 11 16:29:56 heh :-) Sep 11 16:29:59 :) Sep 11 16:59:42 suggestion: set power-LED to purple as long as USB-hostmode power converter is enabled. Sep 11 17:00:18 usb-hostmode power converter? Sep 11 17:00:26 you mean, if we are giving power to the device? Sep 11 17:00:31 question: how is hostmode power suggested to be handled during suspend of FR? Sep 11 17:00:42 mickeyl: exactly Sep 11 17:00:53 hmm Sep 11 17:00:59 is that clever wrt. power consumption? Sep 11 17:01:23 the LED consumes a fraction of the converter Sep 11 17:02:00 so yes, I think it's clever to have a warning light Sep 11 17:02:34 btw atm converter isn't powered down during suspend. I s*that* clever Sep 11 17:02:37 ? Sep 11 17:03:20 no idea Sep 11 17:03:27 who would be responsible for that? Sep 11 17:03:30 kernel i guess Sep 11 17:03:45 or we? Sep 11 17:03:48 (as in FSO) Sep 11 17:04:05 that's my question. I guess usb enum can request power during usb suspend Sep 11 17:04:44 besides... Sep 11 17:05:05 wouldn't it be possible that someone wants the gadget being powered although the usb is in suspend? Sep 11 17:05:57 yes Sep 11 17:06:29 I meant to point to this by mentioning usb enum Sep 11 17:06:39 ah Sep 11 17:06:47 i'm not quite familiar with all that usb powering stuff Sep 11 17:06:57 me as well :-S Sep 11 17:07:06 turning the led on sounds good to me Sep 11 17:07:14 can be done with a simple rule Sep 11 17:07:26 as to shutting down or not i'm not sure Sep 11 17:07:30 need more input Sep 11 17:07:47 need to leave now Sep 11 17:07:49 league game Sep 11 17:07:55 bbl Sep 11 17:08:19 mickey|sports: enjoy Sep 11 17:09:39 lindi-_: any news? Sep 11 17:19:10 * DocScrutinizer-8 heads downstairs to get a usb-powered fan from his landlord&friend Sep 11 17:21:08 @home! :) Sep 11 17:22:32 mickey|sports: outbound call during active gprs connection -> same as with gprs-disconnect: framworkd borked Sep 11 17:23:21 umh... I do not remember why we do not have a recent unstable image... Sep 11 17:24:11 mickey|sports, yeah, but FSO became known by the fact, that it's for linux-phones, but an project, which follows a similar concept and is (at first) for the desktop pc/laptop becomes not very known (or almost only by its developers) Sep 11 17:29:12 klinuxer: FreeSmartphoneOrg is based on FreeDesktopOrg, so I don't exactly see the reasoning Sep 11 17:30:17 any clue please? Sep 11 17:31:24 alfa21: I've been told there should be image of 20090906 Sep 11 17:32:00 alfa21, you can find it in http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02/ Sep 11 17:32:15 if you flash it and tell me all is fine I might sync it for the public ;) Sep 11 17:32:49 and... yes, I flashed it myself and it works (after one reboot) Sep 11 17:33:48 ok... now I'll try it Sep 11 17:34:21 ah... can you tell me why if I do a wget in my FR it's so slooow? Sep 11 17:34:57 usually I get the sd out and mount on a card reader in my pc Sep 11 17:37:00 alfa21, well... I use a card reader too :P Sep 11 17:44:38 mrmoku, ok... but do u know why I can write only 500kbps when inside? Sep 11 17:45:23 my wrong setting or a narrow bus limitation? Sep 11 17:46:12 someone told me it's probably in pio mode Sep 11 17:54:54 PaulFertser: where did you look up the Ilim for Rset=16k8 ? (590mA) Sep 11 17:55:48 untarring :) Sep 11 18:26:00 oh! the new battery gadget is a lot better! Sep 11 18:27:12 [pin correct] Sep 11 18:59:32 DocScrutinizer, yeah, may be, but every desktop environment didn't offer as good general used and needed services as FSO, and the intention of cream for example is, to do something which has better interoperability Sep 11 18:59:54 *most desktop environments (i don't know all) Sep 11 19:04:27 mrmoku: so no subversion yet? No worries :) Sep 11 19:07:13 rhkfin_, no, not yet :( Sep 11 19:07:23 mrmoku: ok Sep 11 19:08:59 what's settings -> phone -> phoneutils ? Sep 11 19:09:35 no, my country code is not 49 Sep 11 19:10:54 alfa21: so set that values to fit your country ;) Sep 11 19:11:29 but... what's used for? Sep 11 19:12:42 libphone-utils uses it Sep 11 19:13:39 it's used by ophonekitd to match numbers to contacts or sth like that (I'm not quite shure) Sep 11 19:13:42 alfa21: contact resolving Sep 11 19:13:48 alfa21: opimd also uses it Sep 11 19:14:11 alfa21: with correct values it can resolve correctly contact names with almost every possible case Sep 11 19:15:13 hello, is there the person who was concerned about bluetooth on FR ? Sep 11 19:15:26 *here Sep 11 19:15:46 cz_jc, you probably mean PaulFertser ? Sep 11 19:15:58 mrmoku, oh yes, now I remember :) Sep 11 19:16:05 I'm doing range tests now (just ping) Sep 11 19:16:27 but I can tell already its impressive, it works behind a closed door through a whole room Sep 11 19:16:53 my second test host is a laptop with gentoo running (bluez too) Sep 11 19:18:10 hey... arkanoid sid is missing :S Sep 11 19:21:36 and why in settings>position was removed the manual gps switch? Sep 11 19:22:35 PaulFertser, well.. my room is just 6 meters but at least that didn't show any ping latency increase at all Sep 11 19:22:55 cz_jc, did you measure throughput speed? Sep 11 19:22:57 and it works through a thick wall and about some 3 meters further Sep 11 19:23:05 mrmoku, not yet, I'm about to try PAN now :) Sep 11 19:35:52 PaulFertser, so looks like pand is missing in recent bluez :/ Sep 11 19:36:02 PaulFertser, I can't find any docs how to set it up other than with that.. Sep 11 19:36:21 PaulFertser, another possibility is PPP over a RFCOMM channel :D Sep 11 19:39:38 PaulFertser: seen my pozt to #2310? Sep 11 19:39:51 cz_jc, did you read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Information_about_bluez4_networking Sep 11 19:41:04 cz_jc, the pand part is deprecated bluez3 stuff Sep 11 19:41:06 mrmoku, wow thanks ! Sep 11 19:41:18 mrmoku, I *really* googled for it but didn't find this Sep 11 19:42:21 mrmoku, should I upgrade or I have to test it vanilla? Sep 11 19:42:41 mrmoku, new shr.u image Sep 11 19:42:47 mrmoku, Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.38" (uid=0 pid=10074 comm="dbus-send) interface="org.bluez.NetworkHub" member="SetProperty" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.bluez" (uid=0 pid=4023 comm="/usr/sbin/hcid)) Sep 11 19:46:35 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * r0647061d0ade 10/geekogotchi_server: server: don't let HHH values to be over 100% Sep 11 19:49:10 alfa21, did it work on first boot for you? or did you have to reboot once to get the e setup wizard? Sep 11 19:49:24 first boot ok Sep 11 19:49:33 alfa21, and... I already synced it after you reported the nice battery gadget :) Sep 11 19:49:50 alfa21, feel free to upgrade Sep 11 19:50:34 what do you think about a blue gadget when 100% ? Sep 11 19:50:35 ;) Sep 11 19:50:54 like the led Sep 11 19:53:40 alfa21, honestly I don't care :P Sep 11 19:53:43 ah, mrmoku : I've installed from full shr tar.gz Sep 11 19:54:08 (not lite) Sep 11 19:54:36 just in case you need to know that Sep 11 19:56:35 alfa21, fine... so we tested both... because I installed the lite one :D Sep 11 19:57:02 ;) Sep 11 20:00:49 what do you think about an image viewer in the full ...hem... image? :P Sep 11 20:01:04 like neon? Sep 11 20:06:56 neo.. did you say neo.. I'm watching The Matrix right now... Sep 11 20:16:17 are checksums now ignored in shr/import? Last 5 commits of new versions didn't modified checksums.ini... I can provide patches if checksums.ini is still used.. Sep 11 20:18:23 JaMa, sure it's still used... and I will happily apply your patches :) Sep 11 20:18:59 ok sending in few sec Sep 11 20:21:39 mrmoku: sent Sep 11 20:24:44 mrmoku: I've improved that patch about KMS which is still in patchwork queue.. should I push it to org.openembedded.dev directly or should I send it to patchwork again? All glamo/kms stuff is now optional and there is also xserver from git-master (to be prepared for upcomming 1.7 relase) Sep 11 20:25:25 JaMa, if you have commit access to OE just commit it Sep 11 20:27:31 mrmoku: no I have not, but pb___ said that I can try to push it through ML Sep 11 20:28:56 JaMa, then going via our patchwork might be faster Sep 11 20:33:51 JaMa, I pushed your checksum patches... thanks :) Sep 11 20:34:39 JaMa, if you send your improved KMS patch I will apply and try it tomorrow Sep 11 20:36:04 mrmoku: I'm not sure if I prepare it today.. but thanks Sep 11 20:36:31 JaMa, whenever you come around to do it :) Sep 11 20:44:04 shr batt applet has been fixed on gta01 ? Sep 11 21:23:48 lindi-_: ping Sep 11 21:24:21 another black lockup Sep 11 21:31:39 dos!!! Sep 11 21:31:41 damn him! Sep 11 21:31:45 I found an annoying bug in opimd. Sep 11 21:31:47 :| Sep 11 21:32:14 TAsn, which? Sep 11 21:32:36 I'm not 100% sure, though I assume this is the bug Sep 11 21:32:40 haven't checked, just noticed Sep 11 21:32:46 anyhow, without further delay Sep 11 21:32:51 the bug: Sep 11 21:32:58 the sqlite backend Sep 11 21:33:08 doesn't open the db Sep 11 21:33:17 with "immediate write" Sep 11 21:33:20 mode Sep 11 21:33:30 but with the sync on request/close mode Sep 11 21:33:53 which means that when the phone unexpectedly shuts down, or opimd crashes Sep 11 21:34:05 all the new contacts/phonelogs/sms erase. Sep 11 21:34:13 hm Sep 11 21:34:21 i've also got a bug :D Sep 11 21:34:36 haven't even checked if it really doesn't open it with "immediate write" Sep 11 21:34:51 if i create a new contact, it doesn't show until i restart opimd-contacts ^^ Sep 11 21:34:54 I'm just assuming as I know sqlite and python, and I know how confusing the syntax can be :) Sep 11 21:34:59 from opimd-utils Sep 11 21:35:19 it's settled then Sep 11 21:35:22 we hate dos1 :{) Sep 11 21:35:36 anyhow, I'll mail him about it and open a bug Sep 11 21:35:38 you should do the same. Sep 11 21:35:49 TAsn: (bug in opimd) only ONE?? ;-) Sep 11 21:36:01 DocScrutinizer, I only use opimd-phonelog Sep 11 21:36:12 and I rarely check for issues :) Sep 11 21:36:21 so me noticing one is a big issue. Sep 11 21:36:43 hm, i don't have opimd-phonelog, which packages provides it? Sep 11 21:36:57 or is there a package which provides it? Sep 11 21:37:13 anyway what you found seems rather probable :-S Sep 11 21:37:42 klinuxer: opimd-utils Sep 11 21:38:09 hm, i'll try to upgrade it Sep 11 21:38:22 though I dunno if that contains phonelog Sep 11 21:39:33 klinuxer, pyphonelog Sep 11 21:39:44 pyphonelog ffs Sep 11 21:39:47 the default phonelog app ;) Sep 11 21:40:00 it uses opimd for quite some time now Sep 11 21:40:07 don't you people read mails?! Sep 11 21:40:13 no :D Sep 11 21:41:06 but i don't like pyphonelog ... waiting for something nicer, elementaryisher Sep 11 21:41:37 hello.. :) Sep 11 21:42:22 ?? Sep 11 21:43:55 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * rb2f77f969687 10/ (TODO geekogotchi_server): server: implement birthday Sep 11 21:43:55 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * rb4c62d144927 10/geekogotchi_server: server: export DeadReason Sep 11 21:43:56 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * re7eff2faef0a 10/geekogotchi_ui_efl.py: ui-efl: little more work Sep 11 21:43:56 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * ra46c9034550d 10/ (TODO geekogotchi_ui_efl.py): efl-ui: display dead reason Sep 11 21:44:00 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * rf4859dc646e2 10/geekogotchi_server: server: use correct time intervals Sep 11 21:45:47 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07geekogotchi * r5b012522a2fb 10/TODO: todo: update Sep 11 21:46:31 that sob his here. Sep 11 21:46:41 klinuxer, what doen't you like in it? Sep 11 21:47:06 I can't believe stupid ff crashed just after I finished writing the report Sep 11 21:47:15 and a second before I pressed the sumbit button ;( Sep 11 21:47:46 It was a fine report :( Sep 11 21:52:56 TAsn, gtk ui Sep 11 21:53:29 if anyone sees dos1 please tell him to read memos from memoserv :) Sep 11 21:53:36 klinuxer, what's wrong with that? Sep 11 21:54:25 TAsn, it doesn't look so good and the grouping of one contact and scrolling isn't intuitive Sep 11 21:54:46 really? the grouping isn't intuitive? I think it's awesome Sep 11 21:55:05 that's actually a killer feature in my pov :) Sep 11 21:55:08 I like it a lot. Sep 11 21:55:20 of course scrolling is intuitive Sep 11 21:55:30 it's done the same is in regular contacts Sep 11 21:55:31 with the scroll bar? Sep 11 21:55:39 scroll bar? Sep 11 21:55:42 really? Sep 11 21:55:43 what are you talking about? Sep 11 21:55:49 pyphonelog Sep 11 21:55:59 pyphonelog has finger scrolling Sep 11 21:56:15 oops, then thats my fault Sep 11 21:56:23 unless you use a 5 months old shr version ;) Sep 11 21:56:33 can you even use the bar in pyphonelog? Sep 11 21:56:35 never tried. Sep 11 21:56:47 nope Sep 11 21:56:54 just checked, you can.t Sep 11 21:57:44 yes, that's my fault Sep 11 21:57:51 :) Sep 11 21:58:05 and what's not intuitive about the grouping? Sep 11 21:58:17 but i would write it a little bit more human like Sep 11 21:58:26 write what? Sep 11 21:58:52 I'm a cold hearted dude, it's hard for me to think like a human Sep 11 21:58:53 :) Sep 11 21:58:58 tell me what you need Sep 11 21:59:03 and I'll try to give it to you. Sep 11 21:59:10 for the group i would use rather something like "5 Calls of Foo, last at 17:00" Sep 11 21:59:26 instead of Sep 11 21:59:40 Foo (5) 17:00? Sep 11 21:59:52 I think "my way" is way more intuitive Sep 11 22:00:02 well not more Sep 11 22:00:07 but at least the same Sep 11 22:00:15 and "saves space Sep 11 22:00:16 " Sep 11 22:00:46 okok, but the small arrow is not very finger-friendly Sep 11 22:01:21 what's the color of the buttons at the bottom of the screen? Sep 11 22:01:39 ? Sep 11 22:01:42 I suspect you are using a very old shr version Sep 11 22:02:03 it's a question of the definition :P Sep 11 22:02:11 are they grep? Sep 11 22:02:15 yesterday Sep 11 22:02:25 no, i have the e-like-gtk-theme Sep 11 22:02:37 so the arrow should be quite big Sep 11 22:02:41 very finger friendly. Sep 11 22:03:11 no, not at all, thats on the edge of the screen, and thats not easy to reach Sep 11 22:03:37 would be easier if clicking on the whole line would open that Sep 11 22:03:39 but it's huge. Sep 11 22:03:48 that'll be annoying Sep 11 22:03:55 since clicking means marking Sep 11 22:04:04 and marking is used for other stuff. Sep 11 22:04:25 anyhow, I'm off Sep 11 22:04:35 you can change the size of the arrow if you want Sep 11 22:04:44 look in the gtk-e-like-theme Sep 11 22:04:55 ok, you definitely did assure me Sep 11 22:05:36 logically, but somehow something in me is winding if it hears/sees gtk :D Sep 11 22:05:43 :) Sep 11 22:05:50 can you really tell it's gtk? Sep 11 22:05:59 I think the theme makes it quite similar :) Sep 11 22:06:10 and to the untrained eye it may look the same. Sep 11 22:06:20 yes :D Sep 11 22:06:42 the tabs are saying that Sep 11 22:06:52 tabs rule :) Sep 11 22:06:54 the list and the big fat arrow :D Sep 11 22:07:02 bah, ok. Sep 11 22:07:03 yes, but they look differen Sep 11 22:07:03 you won. Sep 11 22:07:04 t Sep 11 22:07:05 :) Sep 11 22:07:13 night. Sep 11 22:08:41 anyway, i would integrate messages, phonelog and contacts in one big app Sep 11 22:08:57 so you can see calls and conversations per contact Sep 11 22:09:42 and everything on its own overview Sep 11 22:12:24 klinuxer, I'm not willing to listen to that on IRC Sep 11 22:12:30 if you want to suggest anything like that Sep 11 22:12:33 http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/phoneui Sep 11 22:12:36 please. Sep 11 22:12:36 :) Sep 11 22:12:39 now for real Sep 11 22:12:55 ok Sep 11 22:13:01 NIGHT. (I should really learn to control my IRCing habits) Sep 11 22:13:03 ciao. Sep 11 22:13:15 ah, i didn't understand what you mean Sep 11 22:13:19 g'night Sep 11 22:26:39 ok, now for the full story: Sep 11 22:27:07 device logged in to GPRS, ircing Sep 11 22:27:19 autosuspend enabled Sep 11 22:27:45 eventually it didn't resume no more Sep 11 22:28:55 no reaction to: gprs data in, inbound call, touch screen, insert charger, short and long and very long press of aux/power Sep 11 22:29:10 usb dead Sep 11 22:29:31 no charging (no current from wallcharger taken) Sep 11 22:30:44 the device as dead as it can be. Nevertheless short removing of battery resurrects it back to normal (boot from bat) Sep 11 22:38:17 one puzzling detail: removing bat does *not* recover the device, as long as there's usb-charger attached. Though device does *not* take any considerable amount of current (> ~50mA) from USB it still latches up lockup state as long as charger is attached. OTOH a few seconds without bat *and* without USB suffice to reset (backup bat usually should bridge this time easily) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 12 02:59:56 2009