**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 24 02:59:58 2009 Sep 24 06:26:19 heh, there's a tricky question. suppose a ufo lands in mokoland and the cute aliens ask "take me to your [community] leader". where do we send them ? Sep 24 06:34:58 wpwrak, leader of community?) are you joiking? Sep 24 06:35:16 who might be iterested in leader of chaos?) Sep 24 06:35:28 but this irc channel might be best place Sep 24 06:36:53 max_posedon: aliens ask strange questions :) Sep 24 06:44:07 max_posedon: tell me please in which way you want your snapshots :) Sep 24 06:45:32 actually I want snapshots of all shr parts, in way similar to fso's http://www.freesmartphone.org/sources/ Sep 24 06:45:38 wpwrak: we'll send them to the nokia office and advice to buy n900. Or palm pre :( Sep 24 06:45:59 just will be nice, if you start tagging smth in git, and release them Sep 24 06:46:33 hrmpf Sep 24 06:46:41 PaulFertser: after taking all their tech gear ? ;-) Sep 24 06:46:45 is there a way to tell bitbake NOT to download metric fucktons of stuff upon startup? Sep 24 06:46:54 Length: 687,224,529 (655M) [application/x-gzip] Sep 24 06:46:55 :( Sep 24 06:47:34 I only want to build a 3kB fltk app... Sep 24 06:48:29 NOTE: fetch http://build.shr-project.org/sources/git_gitorious.org.webkit-efl.webkit-efl.git.tar.gz Sep 24 06:48:41 that was the 650 MB thing, and I certainly don't need it for what I'm building Sep 24 07:00:18 max_posedon: ok Sep 24 07:04:08 blindcoder: another annoyance with BB is that it checks all autorev repositories on every invocation, makes working painfully slow :-/ Sep 24 07:21:34 blindcoder: if you have all dependencies already build, you can build it with 'bitbake -b path/to/world/time/bb Sep 24 07:22:14 blindcoder: bitbake will then not parse the whole universe of bb files, but neither build any needed dependencies Sep 24 07:50:26 mrmoku: 'morning Sep 24 07:50:36 agg1n: morning Sep 24 07:51:20 mrmoku: want to test my patches? :) Sep 24 07:52:20 agg1n: sure... not right now though Sep 24 07:52:23 but I saw them Sep 24 07:52:29 (pastebins) Sep 24 07:52:46 PaulFertser: I've seen something about cache policy for checking autorev.. but didn't found where to set something like check daily.. Sep 24 07:52:49 ok Sep 24 08:34:36 mickey_away: gsm pre announced for de on o2 Sep 24 08:43:40 mrmoku: NICE! Sep 24 08:43:54 mrmoku: that's something I've been looking for :D Sep 24 08:44:07 mrmoku: so I can build deps once and then use -b Sep 24 08:44:13 mrmoku: thanks :) Sep 24 08:44:41 blindcoder: welcome :) Sep 24 08:53:38 blindcoder: but you also neet to know which version (bb file) is preferred for you distro ;) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 24 09:12:04 2009 Sep 24 09:24:47 ~botsnack Sep 24 09:24:48 DocScrutinizer-8: thanks Sep 24 09:25:33 PaulFertser: maybe its this: DEBUG: Clearing SRCREV cache due to cache policy of: clear Sep 24 09:26:25 sounds strange anyway Sep 24 09:28:11 PaulFertser: echo 'BB_SRCREV_POLICY="cache"' >> conf/local.conf makes it a lot faster Sep 24 09:29:11 JaMa: oh, thanks a lot :) Sep 24 09:29:55 BTW, if i use ophonekitd's audio scenario handling will i be able to not switch to the second incoming call if i don't want to? Sep 24 09:30:33 PaulFertser: ??? seems completely unrelated Sep 24 09:31:08 DocScrutinizer-8: i think it is because i not only get a nice popup about the second call but also i stop hearing the first call. I very much suspect my rules.yaml in that. Sep 24 09:31:30 hahahaha Sep 24 09:31:42 you bet Sep 24 09:32:16 inbound call switching to stereoout,state for ringtone playback, I guess Sep 24 09:32:51 high time the resource management grows some brain ;-) Sep 24 09:34:56 without central dispatcher it probably still would enable ringtone playback via sounder, but gsm pathes were a exclusive alsa dev anyway that can't be closed and furthermore that device is independant of DAC and speaker Sep 24 09:36:01 Yep, looks like that. But i want at least acceptable functionality right here and now. I've spent a year already with this nonsence switching. :) Sep 24 09:36:05 err, more simple: with ACI-II this won't happen, even without fso resource management of audio resources Sep 24 09:37:27 I see... You need to pack even more additional device specific knowledge into eventsd / yaml.rules then Sep 24 09:40:25 PaulFertser: alternative: you switch to a ACI microscenario compatible way of handling this, by wrapping alsactl with a wrapper script that catches and intercepts the cases you know how to handle in a better way via ACI/alsamixer Sep 24 09:42:07 still I'm amazed we even got handling of call-waiting etc Sep 24 09:45:25 It looks like oeventsd rule system is wrong since it emits the same "triggers" and "untriggers" for different calls. Sep 24 09:45:29 :-/ Sep 24 09:46:25 yes, I expected that Sep 24 09:47:02 with "different" you mean primary call and call-pending? Sep 24 09:50:32 Yes Sep 24 09:50:54 DocScrutinizer: they're called call 1 and call 2 in the logs. Sep 24 09:54:39 PaulFertser: yes, that's common nomenclature Sep 24 09:55:19 though sometimes call2 may become the primary call ;-) Then it gets nasty XD Sep 24 09:59:46 PaulFertser: you see the problem? I don't think you can handle this case correctly with simple yaml-rules probably Sep 24 10:03:46 PaulFertser: basically you need to check if headset-earphone resource is allocated, if no: play standard ringtone via ringer-device (speaker); if yes: play gentle signal mixed in via earpiece-device Sep 24 10:05:39 a nice example why no simple resource handling is ever able to get all "scenarios" right. In the end it always takes some logic in the audio-playback app to manage this Sep 24 10:06:06 DocScrutinizer-8: i would be ok to not switch to stereoout if any of the calls is active. Sep 24 10:06:18 same with switching mp3 player on the fly from stereo-out to headset Sep 24 10:06:20 I guess it would make a nice enough workaround. Sep 24 10:06:54 (workaround) not really, as the pending call will go unnoticed then Sep 24 10:08:02 DocScrutinizer-8: not exactly, the calypso emits a little bip by itself i think. Sep 24 10:08:32 a gmshandset.state that enables a concurrent speakerout... and then copy this to stereoout.state as well... this would probably be a valid workaround Sep 24 10:08:45 (bip) DUH! Sep 24 10:08:58 I highly doubt Sep 24 10:09:04 but dunno Sep 24 10:09:12 can't test at all here Sep 24 10:09:16 DocScrutinizer-8: i heard it (at least i think so) Sep 24 10:09:30 exchange-origin Sep 24 10:09:33 DocScrutinizer-8: i was talking, then i heard bip, then i couldn't talk anymore and could see incoming call window. Sep 24 10:10:14 compare if bip differs with ME Sep 24 10:10:22 aka phone Sep 24 10:10:43 if not, it's probably exchange generated Sep 24 10:13:25 ouch... (concurrent stereoout) and then do the same for speakerphone.state as well Sep 24 10:13:56 but this will reset speakerphone to handset on pending call :-/ Sep 24 10:15:51 PaulFertser: the only valid fix is to forbid loading of stereoout during call. This means you need either a) knowledge of call, or b) "resource" management of audio, or at least ACI miniscenarios Sep 24 10:16:32 DocScrutinizer-8: yes, that's what i want: to forbid loading of stereout during any active call. Sep 24 10:16:43 if you're talking on line2 and there's a pending call on line1 you're probably doomed with yaml anyway Sep 24 10:24:27 PaulFertser: btw the horror get more funny with e.g. bt-headset and inbound call. I bet after call stereoout.state is loaded to restore "default" Sep 24 10:24:51 all this a single big botch Sep 24 10:25:12 botch based on botch based on botch ;-) Sep 24 10:35:23 Yeah :-/ Sep 24 10:56:56 PaulFertser: catch "basename $1 == stereout.state -and $2 == restore" (raw sketch!) in a alsactl wrapper, and redirect to a alsamixer stereout.aci call to load miniscenario Sep 24 10:57:25 DocScrutinizer-8: you demand too much from a poor fella. I want SHR guys to handle that ;) Sep 24 10:57:54 Also it's just a weird day today, too many calls. Usually i have like 1 call in two days or even less. Sep 24 10:58:22 bah, nonsense. You should be perfectly empowered to implement that Sep 24 11:03:51 PaulFertser: if you want me to, I'll happily support this as much as needed Sep 24 11:04:29 DocScrutinizer-8: not really. It's a minor annoyance comparing with all others i see as an end-user. I don't quite want to have it fixed right now and then. Sep 24 11:05:34 And i feel somewhat obliged to do some low-level stuff first (unfortunately, i somehow lack the necessary energy lately, probably should have tried energizer batteries, dunno). Sep 24 11:06:57 well, it seems I got another 4 days til final deadline where I lose my motivation. So chances are you might want to do a test implementation of ACI_0.2 if I really manage to come up with semi-usable stuff Sep 24 11:11:06 rtp: hey Sep 24 11:11:12 rtp: any comments on Vasily Khoruzhick's patch? Sep 24 11:14:03 wtf?? autosuspend slider in shrsettings-power doesn switch to "off" anymore, on inserting charger?! Sep 24 11:14:46 dos1: piiiiing Sep 24 11:16:28 I really don't get it how these trivial breakages on perfectly working stuff sneak in all the time. Strange thing is: it actually stopps autosuspend, just doesn't show that fact anymore Sep 24 11:17:44 DocScrutinizer-8: I wonder if it ever switched to off. Preventing autosuspend is being handled by frameworkd directly, isn't it? Sep 24 11:18:04 while that slider shows the Resource status with ophonekitd Sep 24 11:18:18 IIRC Sep 24 11:18:23 yep it is, but I'm absolutely sure id *did* switch previously Sep 24 11:18:34 mmh Sep 24 11:19:10 I never liked the indirection of requesting resources via ophonekitd which then requests at frameworkd Sep 24 11:19:45 no idea on these details Sep 24 11:23:52 spaetz: but anyway that's really a strange design Sep 24 11:24:04 it is Sep 24 11:26:52 rtp: if we finally get reliable usb device support it would be really cool... Sep 24 11:27:03 what if I want to use the device without any phone functionality? An I supposed to start ophonekit stuff just to make settings work correctly? Sep 24 11:31:51 rtp: Vasily writes that probably there's some undocumented feature that can help make UDC work properly. I think since Harald is helping samsung atm we can get a definitive reply about that if a question clearly formulated sent to him Sep 24 11:41:55 PaulFertser: do a "echo 30 >/sys/*/*\:vibrator/brigtness", and listen for >30sec. Sep 24 11:43:13 PaulFertser: you'll notice a 25sec periodic glitch in sound, which imho can only be caused by FIQ problems Sep 24 11:43:44 PaulFertser: which patch ? the one sent on l-a-k ? Sep 24 11:43:50 rtp: yes Sep 24 11:44:03 DocScrutinizer-8: luckily i'm FIQ-ignorant anyway Sep 24 11:44:06 PaulFertser: hey, it's coming directly from the openmoko tree :) Sep 24 11:44:37 PaulFertser: it's broken. I've a friend who told me it's not 100% effective and a possible dead loop is bad :( Sep 24 11:44:43 PaulFertser: don't understand you Sep 24 11:45:03 rtp: i guess it was the same man who wrote the same on the ML ;) Sep 24 11:45:21 DocScrutinizer-8: you say we have FIQ problems. I say i can't do anything about it. Sep 24 11:45:31 aah Sep 24 11:46:17 but you could ponder about likelihood of this being related to bq27k readout sporadic failures Sep 24 11:46:33 rtp: are you versed enough in that possibly hardware UDC flow to prepare a good request for Harald? Sep 24 11:47:21 PaulFertser: it's too bad that my friend who made a "better" patch don't have it. he's not working for the same company anymore so he had to ask for his patch and still waiting :( Sep 24 11:47:35 DocScrutinizer-8: _i_ don't see too many bq27k readout failures, i just can't see why anybody cares much about it. If they're so rare, why bother and propose complex or wrong workarounds? Sep 24 11:47:51 PaulFertser: I'll ask ben who's with harald at samsung atm afaik :) Sep 24 11:48:01 PaulFertser: exactly Sep 24 11:48:13 rtp: Oh, really, Ben is invited to visit samsung? Nice. Sep 24 11:48:24 PaulFertser: the problem is that I didn't reproduce it. Should try with my FR to check but as it's my phone it's not easy Sep 24 11:49:00 rtp: you can try it with g_file_storage, it's reliably reproducible here with modern desktops. Sep 24 11:49:16 (if it is _it_, of course) Sep 24 11:49:56 does this include mips machines ? :) Sep 24 11:51:20 PaulFertser: btw, did you see openmoko bug 2312 ? Sep 24 11:53:40 rtp: sure Sep 24 11:54:39 PaulFertser: I don't understand what's the problem. 0 is for unblank so the behaviour is fine Sep 24 11:55:28 rtp: the node should be called blank or something then, as it is done on gta01. Sep 24 11:56:10 rtp: also lindi- reported that there's some other inconsistency with it but i don't remember the details. I think he's going to add those to the ticket. Sep 24 11:56:41 to whom it may concern: ;-) "cat /sys/d*/p*/s*/h*/hdq/dump" CAUSES the above mentioned glitch of vibrator frequency Sep 24 11:57:24 PaulFertser: bl_power is a standard node of the backlight class so it's not going to be renamed imho Sep 24 12:04:50 rtp: it's illogical to have it cut power on "1" then, or so it seems to me. Sep 24 12:06:14 the values are the one from the fb stuff which comes from vesa blanking level (see fb.h) Sep 24 12:10:14 PaulFertser: the other irregularities were 1==off, 0==on iirc Sep 24 12:11:27 mrmoku ? Sep 24 12:11:37 Ainulindale: yup? Sep 24 12:11:44 Need a tiny answer :-) Sep 24 12:11:48 Is the feed syncable right now? Sep 24 12:11:53 which one? Sep 24 12:11:57 Unstable Sep 24 12:11:59 no Sep 24 12:12:03 Damn! :-) Sep 24 12:12:07 I'd like to test a package Sep 24 12:12:21 Ainulindale: point your feed to tests/mrmoku/unstable/feed Sep 24 12:12:22 http://ichi2.net/anki/ <= this soft Sep 24 12:12:49 (The recipe isn't even up to date and java might hurt but still) Sep 24 12:12:50 Ainulindale: problems with your memory? :P Sep 24 12:13:08 mrmoku: Nah, trying to find a good way to learn vocabulary :-) Sep 24 12:13:15 :) Sep 24 12:13:43 Ainulindale: if it is just that one package... build it and install it directly? Sep 24 12:13:53 Yep I'll try that :-) Sep 24 12:14:34 Ainulindale: ouch... Qt 4.4... might be interesting ;) Sep 24 12:14:40 Ah I was mistaken I thought it was java Sep 24 12:14:42 But it isn't :-) Sep 24 12:14:58 qt is still one of our weak points :P Sep 24 12:15:11 Well I'll try ! Sep 24 12:15:16 good luck :) Sep 24 12:15:22 Yeah I might need that :-) Sep 24 12:19:15 tsss! rebooted, now autosuspend behaviour is back to normal :-S Sep 24 12:20:45 spaetz: checked that on your system? Sep 24 12:26:38 mrmoku: Trying to compile python-pyqt on the buildhost :-) Sep 24 12:26:55 btw changing and saving batget refresh ticks in illume settings triggers the notorious 2/3 issue Sep 24 12:29:56 been playing with the SHR testing candidate a bit. Overall it's looking pretty good - got wifi, gprs, pidgin, mail, phone, sms, etc. all working... Sep 24 12:30:08 Only catch is that when it's suspended it seems to quite regularly wake up and turn on the backlight for about a minute and then resuspend. about every 5 minutes or so... Sep 24 12:30:16 anyone seen anything like that? Sep 24 12:30:35 ehh Sep 24 12:30:45 how hard is to change the dc power jack in a laptop Sep 24 12:30:57 I got 5 cup of screws Sep 24 12:31:13 and took 4 hours to take out the old dc jack Sep 24 12:31:24 needed a dremel at the end, because couldnt solder it out Sep 24 12:31:29 anyone had "blockdevice rootfs is write-protected, mounting read-only" before on a uSD card with kernel parameter rw? Sep 24 12:32:05 leads to all the nasty errors on the FR that come with an unusable rootfs Sep 24 12:33:50 warren1: probably caused by gprs Sep 24 12:34:18 warren1: if it's gprs, then it's just expected behaviour Sep 24 12:35:08 DocScrutinizer-8: ok - I'll experiment with that. I hadn't noticed it when I had gprs on with shr-u... but it's possible... Sep 24 12:40:11 any further news about the videos from FSOSHRUDCON? Sep 24 12:47:13 agg1n: the signal patch does not apply for me... against which rev is it? Sep 24 12:50:51 mrmoku: against the revision of the commit i made for the makefile before :/ Sep 24 12:51:22 agg1n: hmm... git seems to dislike that :P Sep 24 12:51:34 trying to apply it without git then Sep 24 12:52:11 mrmoku: but the signal patch is not really the best way to do it...and i don't know what's mickeyl plan (async or sync)... Sep 24 12:53:58 agg1n: yes, but we need some fix now... trying that patch now Sep 24 13:10:34 Collected errors: Sep 24 13:10:34 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for fsousaged: Sep 24 13:10:34 * libfso-glib0 (>= 0.2.1+gitr47+7608c8d98bb65bb5beca6621eb86920b71df1bc9) * Sep 24 13:10:36 :| Sep 24 13:13:29 TAsn: that's #1 of faq this week ;-) Sep 24 13:13:50 :( this means I'm really not up to date Sep 24 13:14:02 bahh, I hate the fact that I don't have a lot of time on my hands. Sep 24 13:14:23 I guess there's no solution yet? Sep 24 13:14:32 dos1 the sissi always tells "ignore it" but refuses to mention that in chan topic, or better yet fix it Sep 24 13:14:35 mrmoku, you told me it's safe to upgrade! :) Sep 24 13:15:08 :) Sep 24 13:15:25 7608c8d98bb65bb5beca6621eb86920b71df1bc9 is quite old :( Sep 24 13:16:30 btw, do you guys know what's the name of the app responsible for those funky buttons on the bottom of my screen? (dialer/messages/contacts) Sep 24 13:19:33 wheepee, no service Sep 24 13:19:36 * TAsn wants to die. Sep 24 13:19:44 * TAsn has no spare time to find out what's wrong. Sep 24 13:20:52 fsousage is not running Sep 24 13:20:52 hm... Sep 24 13:22:21 ok, weird, now it works. Sep 24 13:22:27 hi all Sep 24 13:23:31 TAsn: no I did not Sep 24 13:23:38 TAsn: I told you it's a safe way to hell Sep 24 13:23:45 TAsn: dos1 told its safe ;) Sep 24 13:23:52 oh Sep 24 13:24:02 dos1: please die :) Sep 24 13:24:15 hehe, nice and friendly as ever Sep 24 13:24:25 well fsousage doesn't work Sep 24 13:24:25 23-09-2009 20:38:07 > mrmoku: TAsn: safe way to hell ;) Sep 24 13:24:34 though I just won't use bt/wifi Sep 24 13:24:37 until I'll have time :) Sep 24 13:24:41 ciao Sep 24 13:25:48 TAsn: mrmoku said yesterday that f-sausage segfaults Sep 24 13:25:52 hi vegyraupe Sep 24 13:26:00 sucks :( Sep 24 13:26:03 don't tell me you are in winterthur Sep 24 13:26:41 playya: I was in Winterthur yesterday. You were not the guy with the openmoko t-shirt by any chance? Sep 24 13:26:50 playya: no, didn't make it Sep 24 13:27:08 spaetz, no sorry Sep 24 13:27:14 mmh Sep 24 13:27:25 my mom needed the car on both days Sep 24 13:27:31 hehe Sep 24 13:27:46 sucks Sep 24 13:27:47 but only these to days Sep 24 13:28:00 s/to/two/ Sep 24 13:28:00 playya meant: but only these two days Sep 24 13:28:33 an i just realized that I have someone who is there :( Sep 24 13:29:15 mrmoku: can't we get rid of the illume desktop screen and just use launcher? Sep 24 13:29:30 It seems launcher is much more suitable to what we actually need/want Sep 24 13:29:49 and having 2 home screens kind of sucks :- Sep 24 13:29:51 ) Sep 24 13:30:10 *THUMBSUP* Sep 24 13:31:33 I'll try to get illume gadman working in some time Sep 24 13:38:31 I guess the package tzdata is way too old. The SHR version is 2007k, but Sep 24 13:38:34 the newest one is 2009m. Sep 24 13:38:35 oops Sep 24 13:40:11 two homescreens? o.O Sep 24 13:40:12 agg1n: fsousaged still segfaults for me with your patches Sep 24 13:42:51 can we use /media/card/maps as a default directory for navit maps? Sep 24 13:43:23 playya: bad, because you might have no SD in... Sep 24 13:44:06 agg1n: hmm... different... frameworkd is hanging :P Sep 24 13:44:49 mrmoku: but my patch works!!! Sep 24 13:45:06 agg1n: not yet sure about that ;) Sep 24 13:45:13 I wrote a navit config which might be shipped with the navit ipkg Sep 24 13:45:21 and i need a dir for it because i want to write recipes which use wget and postinst to download the maps Sep 24 13:45:56 agg1n: 2009.09.24 15:45:06.328 mppl.asyncworker DEBUG init Sep 24 13:46:10 is the last thing frameworkd says... before dying Sep 24 13:46:38 agg1n, i had the same error on my pc Sep 24 13:46:46 playya: can't we rather make tangogps be able to configure a map dir without dying? Sep 24 13:47:14 we clearly need "debconf" on the openmoko :-) Sep 24 13:48:25 ptitjes: does the link-order make any difference for registering GTypes? Sep 24 13:48:35 ptitjes: hello btw :) Sep 24 13:48:51 hello Sep 24 13:49:04 mrmoku: link order ? Sep 24 13:49:18 is there an order when you ld ? Sep 24 13:49:21 the ordering of .o linking to .la Sep 24 13:49:38 spaetz, i prefer navit, because it has a dbus interface and routing Sep 24 13:49:39 ptitjes: take a look at http://agg1n.pastebin.com/m3e815b6c Sep 24 13:49:42 I'll add a patch for dbus activation of navit Sep 24 13:49:43 I thought there was no order ? Sep 24 13:50:17 ptitjes: that pastebin seems to fix a segfault due to an uregistered GType Sep 24 13:50:21 +n Sep 24 13:50:23 strange Sep 24 13:50:33 ptitjes, mrmoku, imho not Sep 24 13:50:40 could you provide me a backtrace just to satisfy my curiosity please ? Sep 24 13:51:04 ptitjes: involves some work... but will do :) Sep 24 13:51:39 mrmoku: I suspect this is a bug in the generated code Sep 24 13:52:01 btw. this is not an error: Message: plugin.vala:130: /usr//lib/cornucopia/modules/fsousage/controller.so load (GType is in use) Sep 24 13:52:01 mrmoku: for instance my -fPIC error was due to invalid generated code Sep 24 13:52:03 thats a success message ; Sep 24 13:52:03 :p Sep 24 13:52:05 ) Sep 24 13:53:56 agg1n, if I apply your patch, fsousaged even crashes on introspection Sep 24 13:56:51 hi Sep 24 13:57:22 I love laptop companies, they always pack dozens of spare screw into the laptop Sep 24 13:58:24 I reassembled my old laptop, and yet I have 9 spare screw left. No idea where should I supposed to put them ... Sep 24 13:58:27 ;) Sep 24 13:58:49 agg1n: it is not your patch making frameworkd segfault :) Sep 24 13:59:52 mrmoku: what is it then? Sep 24 14:00:19 agg1n: guess hardkilling frameworkd corrupted some .pyo or something... reinstalling it now Sep 24 14:01:07 i saw something in ophonekitd(vala), which could be the right way to register gtypes or so?! http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=ophonekitd.git;a=blob;f=src/ophonekitd-main.vala;h=5c209a926571a3eed6deea60179249d60f52d96f;hb=HEAD#l54 Sep 24 14:01:39 mrmoku: hello, 2 safe patches in patchwork Sep 24 14:04:26 palm pre october 13 in germany Sep 24 14:05:04 mrmoku, Sep 24 14:05:17 what's the name of the app responsible for hose buttons on the button of the screen? Sep 24 14:06:18 khiraly_hp: yeah, can't wait!!!!! Sep 24 14:06:25 khiraly_hp: finally a new phone Sep 24 14:12:53 TAsn: its the theme i think Sep 24 14:13:17 TAsn: I have it only with niebiee Sep 24 14:16:30 i c. Sep 24 14:16:31 cool :) Sep 24 14:18:23 ah koen updated EFL_SRCREV to 42645 for angstrom and we are still at 41040 :) Sep 24 14:21:55 Hello all, I'm afraid I always seem to be struggling with building things in SHR. I followed the instructions at http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Getting%20started%20developing%20SHR and am able to build a local copy of libframeworkd-phonegui-efl as per those instructions. I want to build libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 so I edited local-builds.conf to change all the efl's to efl2's but it still builds from the GIT Repo??? Sep 24 14:32:33 Arigead_: then you probably forgot something... should just work Sep 24 14:33:08 Arigead_: if it still builds from git the SRC_URI line in local-builds.conf is wrong Sep 24 14:33:18 hi Sep 24 14:42:40 any way to emulate right click ? (xorg) I found xdotool whcih enable to emulate the click but I find no way in illume to bind this action to a combo of mouse+key press Sep 24 14:48:20 ptitjes: http://shr.pastebin.com/m636301d4 Sep 24 14:49:24 mrmoku: hum men you should have a flag for OE to build everything with debugging symbols Sep 24 14:52:00 ptitjes: hehe... that would be nice yeah Sep 24 14:52:10 ptitjes: and the backtrace is with dbg packages installed even Sep 24 14:52:34 oh Sep 24 14:52:49 bad dbg packages then :p Sep 24 14:52:56 yep Sep 24 14:54:49 prahal, maybe you can do this in the enlightenment config Sep 24 14:55:01 hmm. only have a key bindings option Sep 24 14:55:03 not mouse binding Sep 24 14:55:41 * DocScrutinizer-8 is now known as DocScrutinizer-biergarten Sep 24 14:55:55 there is a mouse binding in enlightenment_remote and key binding ... one cannot mix both Sep 24 14:56:22 and I also investigate the override of the double or tripple click , or a delay_action Sep 24 14:56:31 failing :( Sep 24 14:58:20 mostly because the most prominsg (double or tripple click override) involves event source I don't have doc about Sep 24 14:58:40 prahal, load the mouse bindings settings module Sep 24 14:59:18 mrmoku: I suspect it comes from its plugin system (he should have used modulo) Sep 24 14:59:29 mrmoku: huh I really dislike his code style Sep 24 15:05:06 playya, it is . Sep 24 15:06:20 ptitjes: :) Sep 24 15:13:41 JaMa: you know you don't have to rip the battery when xorg dies? Loooong power button press does poweroff :) Sep 24 15:16:04 mrmoku: I know.. but sometimes it doesn't work :) Sep 24 15:16:10 mrmoku: ie for hard wsod Sep 24 15:16:23 mrmoku: or when red led is flashing something about kernel panic.. Sep 24 15:16:35 mrmoku: and that was the case :( Sep 24 15:17:53 JaMa: thanks for the tzdata bump :) Sep 24 15:18:21 mrmoku: you say that NOW? Sep 24 15:18:26 blindcoder: that was easy :) Sep 24 15:19:22 fixing xorg segfault is bigger chalenge :) Sep 24 15:19:29 Defiant-: oohh.. you did not know that? But be warned... it is a hard poweroff... might corrupt your filesystem if you have bad luck Sep 24 15:19:46 JaMa: but on kernel panic your watchdog won't help either, no? Sep 24 15:19:53 mrmoku: no.. Sep 24 15:20:09 mrmoku: its good only for segfault while typing on illume keyboard Sep 24 15:20:11 prahal, it works? Sep 24 15:20:34 you should be able to use AUX +*click* to set a custom command Sep 24 15:20:37 mrmoku: but without kms and drm kernel i have no kernel panic, just segfaults.. Sep 24 15:20:43 no Sep 24 15:20:53 mrmoku: have you seen those backtraces? Sep 24 15:21:06 I have not found which signal to use when binding-signal-add Sep 24 15:21:18 JaMa: x traces? no Sep 24 15:21:20 binding-mouse seems pretty limited Sep 24 15:21:21 mrmoku: every time i disable some xorg function the segfault moves somewhere else.. Sep 24 15:21:32 JaMa: hehe fun :P Sep 24 15:21:45 JaMa: you might have to postpone your trip ;) Sep 24 15:21:48 mrmoku: wouldn't corrupt less then removal of battery, right? Sep 24 15:21:56 Defiant-: right Sep 24 15:21:56 mrmoku: http://pastebin.ca/1577122 http://pastebin.ca/1576710 Sep 24 15:22:24 prahal, doh. no illume keyboard Sep 24 15:22:43 mrmoku: actually today i planned to go to see gf for weekend.. but now she has to work over night so I have one night more for neo :) Sep 24 15:22:58 :) Sep 24 15:23:01 playya, how comes ? Sep 24 15:23:23 and locked is to fast Sep 24 15:23:46 have not had a corruption since I switched to ext3 :) fsck is not as good as the journal Sep 24 15:24:02 mrmoku: hmm about 300 characters without segfault.. Sep 24 15:24:35 and more Sep 24 15:24:52 MORE :) Sep 24 15:25:20 i think its fixed :) Sep 24 15:25:33 :D Sep 24 15:25:33 now I have to find out why :) Sep 24 15:26:09 and we have to fix the telephony part meanwhile... Sep 24 15:26:14 * TAsn misses fsousage Sep 24 15:26:19 dos1, you liar! Sep 24 15:26:25 upgrade killed everything! :( Sep 24 15:26:47 dos1, I should have listened to mrmoku Sep 24 15:26:49 mrmoku: 2:1.6.999+gitr26+ce1fe8ddb4a4dbe6cfd909e5b1b73b459d742bec-r7 without redrawing cursor seems OK Sep 24 15:26:50 :) Sep 24 15:27:14 anyhow, workout Sep 24 15:27:14 TAsn: opkg install libfsotransport0? Sep 24 15:27:15 and then Sep 24 15:27:19 leonard cohen! :) Sep 24 15:27:22 mrmoku: maybe best workaround would be to disable cursor drawing completely Sep 24 15:27:49 JaMa: actually... I don't even want that cursor :P Sep 24 15:28:00 prahal, i forgot the applet Sep 24 15:28:05 mrmoku: because breakage is in functions for storing pixmaps below cursor and then restoring when cursor is moved somewhere else.. Sep 24 15:28:39 JaMa: you have a panic with drm-tracking? I know of one kernel bug, which I haven't tracked down yet.. Sep 24 15:28:41 mrmoku: Heinervdm tryied to disable it with transparent cursor, didn't he? Sep 24 15:29:04 Weiss: yes.. but not so easy to reproduce.. Sep 24 15:29:19 JaMa: think so yes Sep 24 15:29:34 mrmoku: vagalume brings that cursor back for me Sep 24 15:29:47 until i start it, it Sep 24 15:29:49 Weiss: or report, because it died imediatelly when Xorg started Sep 24 15:29:50 's transparent Sep 24 15:30:06 Heinervdm: heh... vagalume setting some custom cursor :P Sep 24 15:30:13 Heinervdm: did you ask how to disable it properly on #xorg-devel? Sep 24 15:30:26 JaMa: there is no proper way Sep 24 15:30:42 Heinervdm: we can remove those functions for cursor drawing :) Sep 24 15:30:50 :D Sep 24 15:31:14 JaMa: but DocScrutinizer won't like that Sep 24 15:31:17 ;) Sep 24 15:31:58 we can create segfaulting xserver-xorg-for-doc with cursor support :) Sep 24 15:32:00 JaMa: i heard about an xcursor extension Sep 24 15:32:11 :D Sep 24 15:32:39 Heinervdm: and have you asked? there? Sep 24 15:32:45 no Sep 24 15:33:02 Heinervdm: maybe they'll find some better way then removing their pretty functions.. Sep 24 15:36:10 JaMa: I have backtraces from the kernel, but it looks like it's a memory corruption so it's hard to pin down.. Sep 24 15:38:39 TAsn: do you have a pointer to some good sqlite doc for me? Sep 24 15:43:08 mrmoku: for qt Sep 24 15:43:14 Everything went through but python-sip right now Sep 24 15:43:18 (I don't know why it needs it) Sep 24 15:43:26 Ainulindale: wow... which version? (qt) Sep 24 15:43:28 It wasn't able to fetch it Sep 24 15:43:29 Nothing bad Sep 24 15:43:31 4 Sep 24 15:43:40 shr/import? Sep 24 15:43:44 Yes Sep 24 15:43:52 why don't we have it in our feed then? :P Sep 24 15:43:52 I just typed bitbake python-pyqt and qt was properly compiled Sep 24 15:43:54 Check the screen Sep 24 15:44:10 Ainulindale: I believe your words :) Sep 24 15:44:17 Well Sep 24 15:44:19 I might be mistaken Sep 24 15:44:21 So please check :-) Sep 24 15:45:20 qt 4.4.3 Sep 24 15:45:32 don't know if that's to old... Sep 24 15:45:41 my laptop has 4.5.2 Sep 24 15:46:01 well I don't know either Sep 24 15:46:07 VDVsx: hey Sep 24 15:47:37 mirko, hi Sep 24 15:48:10 Heinervdm: did you tried Xorg -nocursor? Sep 24 15:48:33 JaMa: no Sep 24 15:49:07 mrmoku: do we have a testimage? Sep 24 15:50:07 Heinervdm: an unstable xorg testimage? Sep 24 15:50:13 yes Sep 24 15:50:37 Heinervdm: in here: http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02/ Sep 24 15:50:59 is GSM working? Sep 24 15:53:52 Ainulindale: python-sip seems to depend on qt in some way :D Sep 24 15:53:59 Heinervdm: no :( Sep 24 15:54:09 Heinervdm: well I was trying to build python-pyqt Sep 24 15:54:17 mrmoku: ok, then i can try one of my own images too Sep 24 15:54:48 Heinervdm: hehe, yeah Sep 24 15:54:56 Ainulindale: i tried to build python-sip because you said it doesn't fetch, and now it's building qt :) Sep 24 15:55:14 qt build went through here anyways Sep 24 15:55:20 I was trying to build anki initially Sep 24 15:55:34 I manually updated the recipe just to check if it fetched and compiled and it seems it does Sep 24 15:56:22 Ainulindale: there is a inherit qt4x11 in python-sip... Sep 24 15:57:34 Yep but I need that anyway Sep 24 15:57:37 And latest is 4.8.2 Sep 24 15:57:40 Trying to build it Sep 24 15:58:02 How can one disable directory listening on a download directory? Sep 24 15:58:21 that's stupid Sep 24 15:58:38 Heinervdm: you mean listing? Sep 24 15:58:53 mrmoku: yes :) Sep 24 16:00:07 Heinervdm: disable autoindex module? Sep 24 16:00:38 mrmoku: i know how to do it, but i think you shouldn't do it... Sep 24 16:00:47 Heinervdm: ahh :) Sep 24 16:01:08 * mrmoku thought it was a question how to do that :P Sep 24 16:01:27 If you want to know which versions of python-sip are avaible, you have no other chance then bruteforce: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/static/Downloads/sip4 Sep 24 16:01:47 heh :( Sep 24 16:08:13 Heinervdm: there is 4.9_pre20090811 for gentoo Sep 24 16:08:54 JaMa: on that page the latest stable is 4.8.2, but you can't know if there exists any priorer version Sep 24 16:09:25 ah thats snapshot from gentoo dev http://dev.gentooexperimental.org/~hwoarang/distfiles/ Sep 24 16:10:13 playya, got the right button ... though via xorg+hal emulaterightbutton option Sep 24 16:11:02 Heinervdm: thats sad :( Sep 24 16:12:48 how are package-dbg made? Now I'm rebuilding xorg.bb with CFLAGS_append = " -O0 -g3 -ggdb ", not sure if its now used for both or ignored for -dbg :( Sep 24 16:17:45 can someone with Xorged shr-unstable try typing on illume keyboard with Xorg launched with -nocursor? Sep 24 16:20:41 just apply http://pastebin.ca/1578032 on neo Sep 24 16:25:04 * mrmoku reboots to xorg without telephony Sep 24 16:29:57 JaMa: hmm... after starting there was no cursor... firing vala-terminal brings it back :( Sep 24 16:30:05 and with it the segfault while wildly typing Sep 24 16:32:38 mrmoku: and you have Xorg with -nocursor Sep 24 16:32:39 ? Sep 24 16:32:49 yep Sep 24 16:33:02 * mrmoku removes it again to see if cursor is there on start Sep 24 16:33:32 JaMa: uuuuhh.. ouch Sep 24 16:33:38 put it in the gta01 section :P Sep 24 16:34:23 [opkg] :( Sep 24 16:35:13 * JaMa needs to reboot to finish xorg upgrade :/ Sep 24 16:35:28 how to detect usb mouse connected? Sep 24 16:35:39 [ -e /dev/input/mice ] Sep 24 16:36:00 is bad, because it exists on neo without mouse connected Sep 24 16:36:31 I would add -nocursor only when there is no mouse connected during Xorg startup, DocScrutinizer is it good for you? Sep 24 16:36:56 temporary of course Sep 24 16:37:17 JaMa: does it work for you? for me it does not Sep 24 16:37:33 -nocursor? Sep 24 16:37:33 it works here Sep 24 16:37:40 no cursor and no segfault Sep 24 16:37:50 with vala-terminal? Sep 24 16:38:24 waiting for opkg to finish upgrade and test with redrawing enabled Sep 24 16:38:29 yep Sep 24 16:39:06 JaMa: ahh... me is just stupid Sep 24 16:39:12 :) Sep 24 16:39:35 next try :) Sep 24 16:39:40 I'll send patch to patchwork just for you :P Sep 24 16:40:11 hehe... might be better :P Sep 24 16:40:27 ok, this time no cursor in vala-terminal :) Sep 24 16:41:21 JaMa: yay... even writing with 10-finger system does not make it segfault anymore :D Sep 24 16:41:36 one step forward :) Sep 24 16:43:11 SHR root@gojama ~ $ df --help Sep 24 16:43:11 Segmentation fault Sep 24 16:43:14 busybox Sep 24 16:43:38 doesn't know -h (human readable sizes) and segfaults with --help :( Sep 24 16:55:51 JaMa: one problem I had with xorg was that some screens were not showing Sep 24 16:56:06 like active call and incoming sms Sep 24 16:58:26 mrmoku: hmm strange.. Sep 24 16:58:44 mrmoku: btw why not use recipes/xserver-kdrive-common/xserver-kdrive-common/30xTs_Calibrate for evdev calibration too? Sep 24 16:59:02 mrmoku: looks like better place than init.d script for me Sep 24 16:59:54 JaMa: hmm... on the other hand its kernel stuff... somebody might attach a keyboard and add a login shell :P Sep 24 17:00:01 (and use gpm then) ;) Sep 24 17:00:27 JaMa: but I have no strong opinion about it Sep 24 17:00:32 ok :) Sep 24 17:03:27 * mrmoku off for dinner Sep 24 17:03:28 bbiab Sep 24 17:31:02 JaMa: I *HATE* BUSYBOX! Sep 24 17:32:20 JaMa: I think there are way to find out about the mice connected. Don't ask me how, but at least I know thre are Sep 24 17:33:18 HAL? Sep 24 17:33:23 JaMa: for the -nocursor: well, if that's what it will be for now, ok. I'm not really suffering from the issue atm (and likely won't next week ;-) Sep 24 17:33:25 that's what e does AFAIK Sep 24 17:34:33 * JaMa know that there are too, but hal seems like too much just for Xserver start check.. Sep 24 17:34:53 yup... Sep 24 17:35:35 if we're using hal when starting Xserver.. then we can enable hal-based input autoconfig option for whole X Sep 24 17:36:13 JaMa: check for /dev/mouse? Sep 24 17:36:40 mrmoku: that's nearly what I thought Sep 24 17:37:10 JaMa: or better still... /sys/class/input/mice :) Sep 24 17:38:09 jr@halley:~> ls -l /dev/input/ Sep 24 17:38:18 crw-r----- 1 root root 13, 63 14. Sep 23:36 mice Sep 24 17:38:20 crw-r----- 1 root root 13, 32 14. Sep 23:36 mouse0 Sep 24 17:38:21 crw-r----- 1 root root 13, 33 19. Sep 13:59 mouse1 Sep 24 17:38:50 that's my laütop with touchpad and real mouse via USB Sep 24 17:40:08 ok, so check if mouse0 exists? Sep 24 17:40:13 mrmoku: mice is for ts too Sep 24 17:40:16 removed ub-mouse -> mouse1 vanished Sep 24 17:40:29 DocScrutinizer: so mouse0 is ts for you? Sep 24 17:41:52 http://pastebin.com/f755659d5 Sep 24 17:42:35 JaMa: mouse0 probably is the first mouse it (ever) found. For me mouse1 is the auxilary USB-mouse Sep 24 17:42:51 in mice they are unified Sep 24 17:43:04 afaik Sep 24 17:45:17 nota bene I set up X to use two separate distincr input devices, and I use to disable touchpad via cmdline "synclient TouchPadOff=1" Sep 24 17:45:57 iirc Sep 24 17:46:57 after un/re-plug of USB-mouse: Sep 24 17:46:59 crw-r----- 1 root root 13, 63 14. Sep 23:36 mice Sep 24 17:47:00 crw-r----- 1 root root 13, 32 14. Sep 23:36 mouse0 Sep 24 17:47:01 crw-r----- 1 root root 13, 33 24. Sep 19:40 mouse1 Sep 24 17:47:20 check creation date of mouse1 Sep 24 17:47:46 I guess that's udev magic once again Sep 24 17:48:09 sure.. Sep 24 17:48:29 my old keyboard had "mouse" input for slider Sep 24 17:48:33 so if that's true, you probably could hook in a cmd to show up / hide cursor there as well Sep 24 17:48:47 but default settings for new doesn't create mouse0 for ts.. Sep 24 17:49:12 eew Sep 24 17:49:19 DocScrutinizer: you mean when starting to store it somewhere and later used when starting Xorg? Sep 24 17:49:28 DocScrutinizer: or set it in runtime? Sep 24 17:49:37 I'd do both Sep 24 17:49:39 DocScrutinizer: I have time only for mouse0 test now :) Sep 24 17:49:45 if there's any way Sep 24 17:49:48 leaving to gym in few mins Sep 24 17:51:52 JaMa: like >> echo "true" >usb-mouse-exists; kill SIGUSERfoo-reread-config X << Sep 24 17:52:25 JaMa: for mouse attach Sep 24 17:52:48 and >> echo "false" >usb-mouse-exists; kill SIGUSERfoo-reread-config X << for detach Sep 24 17:53:39 mrmoku: do you have segfaults when closing Xorg? Sep 24 17:53:56 mrmoku: fixed too.. with that libpciaccess commit :) Sep 24 17:54:05 btw we could use very same scheme for kbd, as we usually don't want screen-kbd auto-popup when external kbd attached Sep 24 17:54:39 DocScrutinizer: that scheme for kbd is already implemented in illume Sep 24 17:54:48 oooh O.O Sep 24 17:55:17 last time I checked I don't remember I noticed that Sep 24 17:55:47 well, that only takes minutes to check again Sep 24 17:56:14 DocScrutinizer: if you have hald running it should work Sep 24 17:58:09 dos1: you're right :-D Sep 24 17:58:28 cool Sep 24 17:59:12 darn, unplugging the kbd pops up powerbutton-menu :-O Sep 24 17:59:25 does the GSM modem have a cache that stores, say, the phonebook ? Sep 24 17:59:30 .win 30 Sep 24 17:59:51 Deubeuliou: huh? no. Sep 24 18:00:20 not afaik Sep 24 18:00:21 ok, just to be sure. I thought so, but that could have explained something Sep 24 18:00:39 there's sim-based contacts Sep 24 18:01:15 yes but I thought It would cache the AT+CPBR results Sep 24 18:01:48 Deubeuliou: nobody knows for sure Sep 24 18:01:55 ok Sep 24 18:02:59 Deubeuliou: also I hardly can figure a situation where it matters Sep 24 18:05:20 I want to know if an AT commands breaks the AT+CPBR behaviour Sep 24 18:05:24 for writing this could be a write-thru anyway, not to lose any contact that isn't flushed yet Sep 24 18:05:51 with http://trac.hackable1.org/trac/changeset/1395 , the contatcs returned byt AT+CPBR=x,y are all empty Sep 24 18:05:54 for reading it could cause spped differences at best Sep 24 18:06:04 w/o this patch, everything is fine Sep 24 18:06:42 I can't figure why. If I run the added AT commands in the patch, then it doesn't affect the AT+CPBR Sep 24 18:06:43 duh, sorry. I won't dig into those changesets Sep 24 18:06:59 my only guess is that there was a cache Sep 24 18:07:46 it's only 4 lines, actually: AT+CSSN=1,1 ; AT+CAOC=2 ; AT+CCWA=1 ; AT%CUNS=2 Sep 24 18:09:00 JaMa: I've only been half-following this channel today (doing thesis corrections after my viva).. do I understand that you've just nailed the "Illume keyboard segfault"? Sep 24 18:10:48 i get a compile error for libxxf86dga. anyone has a fix for this? Sep 24 18:11:19 Weiss: workarounded it.. Sep 24 18:11:38 Weiss: 2nd segfault (when closing Xorg) fixed upstream in libpciaccess Sep 24 18:12:09 Weiss: and I have better bt for xorg devs to look at it http://pastebin.ca/1578163 Sep 24 18:12:30 Weiss: try -nocursor for Xorg and illume keyboard segfault will be gone.. Sep 24 18:12:39 * JaMa leaving for few hours.. Sep 24 18:12:50 playya: upgrade dgaproto first Sep 24 18:12:58 playya: then it will compile fine Sep 24 18:13:06 ok Sep 24 18:13:08 good work! Sep 24 18:16:28 JaMa: time to build a working image :) Sep 24 18:19:13 -nocursor helps a lot :) Sep 24 18:20:58 now we have to fix fsousaged/ophonekitd to play nice... Sep 24 18:21:18 mrmoku: found sth in this issue? Sep 24 18:21:33 Heinervdm: retrying agg1n's patches now Sep 24 18:21:58 Heinervdm: problem is quite clear... and the _real_ fix has to be done when mickey_away is back Sep 24 18:22:12 Heinervdm: but until then we need some workaround Sep 24 18:22:16 mrmoku: when will he be back? Sep 24 18:22:23 2 weeks I think Sep 24 18:22:32 oh Sep 24 18:22:42 well earned holliday :) Sep 24 18:34:25 ok. works now. thx JaMa Sep 24 18:36:29 agg1n: your patches work for me Sep 24 18:36:37 playya: are you sure the patches are not correct? Sep 24 18:38:35 hmm. I' doning a rebiuld for FR now Sep 24 18:38:47 playya: good thanks :) Sep 24 18:42:48 Heinervdm: everything good now (so far) :D Sep 24 18:43:07 mrmoku: patch commited? Sep 24 18:43:23 Heinervdm: waiting for playya to give his opinion :) Sep 24 18:43:37 ok :) Sep 24 18:45:08 hmm, after the test with external kbd and so device mode for USB, the autosuspend=off doesn't work anymore when charger plugged, as well as LED doesn't show up anymore Sep 24 18:53:32 agg1n: hmm... on fresh boot ophonekitd still segfaults because GSM is not ready yet :( Sep 24 18:54:42 that sucks Sep 24 18:54:48 agg1n: my guess would be that on fresh boot it takes longer to get GSM ready and thus the signal is still too early Sep 24 18:55:06 agg1n: needs to fire abyss and start to talk with the modem... Sep 24 18:55:15 spaetz: yep sucks Sep 24 18:55:47 incredible Sep 24 18:56:41 agg1n: what's your experience? I have a lightly modified ophonekitd... maybe its my fault :P Sep 24 18:58:26 mrmoku, what did you change, that the patches apply? Sep 24 19:01:55 playya: git does not apply them Sep 24 19:02:05 I think because he did them against some local commit Sep 24 19:02:09 no. in bitbake Sep 24 19:02:12 I applied them with patch -p1 < Sep 24 19:02:32 playya: ahh... I did a local build (with bitbake) Sep 24 19:02:39 and applied the patches manually before building Sep 24 19:02:44 did not try with bitbake yet Sep 24 19:02:49 ok Sep 24 19:05:06 mrmoku: i tested it only twice, and no problems :/ Sep 24 19:07:07 agg1n: on fresh boot too? Sep 24 19:16:37 shouldn't fso* use ${SRCREV} instead of ${SRCPV} ? Sep 24 19:16:58 playya: well... that's an open point Sep 24 19:17:13 playya: with SRCREV packages that have a fixed revision that are not upgradeable Sep 24 19:17:27 playya: until there is another solution for this problem we have to stick with it Sep 24 19:17:49 but ${SRCPV} often throws errors Sep 24 19:18:17 playya: only if there is no revision or AUTOREV set for the package Sep 24 19:21:51 playya: or if the repository is not accessible... but then SRCPV would bail out too Sep 24 19:22:09 hrhr. i love bitbake Sep 24 19:22:20 mrmoku: s/SRCPV/SRCREV/? Sep 24 19:22:44 dos1, already compiled asciiaquarium? Sep 24 19:23:03 dos1: yep :P Sep 24 19:23:45 * mrmoku fears dos1 is rewriting shr-settings in vala... he's so quiet the last days :P Sep 24 19:25:22 mrmoku: didn't test it on fresh boot, will do later Sep 24 19:25:52 agg1n: ok, I would be very interested in your results :) Sep 24 19:28:01 ;D Sep 24 19:28:21 i'm just tired... Sep 24 19:32:37 mrmoku, my SHR PIN pad doesn't react on clicks, everything else works, is this affiliated to your bug? Sep 24 19:33:06 playya: with xorg server? Sep 24 19:33:22 playya: I have no PIN for my SIM... so I don't have that Sep 24 19:33:57 brb Sep 24 19:35:39 no xglamo Sep 24 19:48:15 playya: hmm... no idea then Sep 24 19:48:25 playya: what does ophonekitd.log say? Sep 24 19:49:41 looks normal to me Sep 24 19:49:51 playya: it takes ages for ophonekitd to show me pin dialog after Xorg start.. Sep 24 19:49:55 maybe we should add a recipe for pastebinit Sep 24 19:50:08 playya: or wgetpaste Sep 24 19:51:09 should it be possible to use curl for it? Sep 24 19:53:44 playya: of course, we can write a little python script for it Sep 24 20:03:38 mrmoku: on fresh boot ophonekitd segfaults for me too Sep 24 20:05:25 i'm using disable=1 in [ousaged] but it's still provided by frameworkd Sep 24 20:06:38 playya: does frameworkd tells you, that ousaged is skipped? Sep 24 20:06:58 1s Sep 24 20:07:07 i did a complete restart to test it Sep 24 20:13:59 agg1n1, can you show me you frameworkd.conf? Sep 24 20:15:38 playya: 2009.09.24 20:55:48.382 frameworkd.controller INFO skipping subsystem ousaged as requested via config file. Sep 24 20:17:19 is it disable or disabled? Sep 24 20:18:21 disable=1 Sep 24 20:34:47 guess I'll need to work on cdma support again, sound is starting to work for me :) Sep 24 20:35:29 tmzt: be our guest :) Sep 24 20:35:51 well, X first unless there's a usable cli client Sep 24 20:43:30 agg1n1, is there anything missing: http://pastebin.com/f73f4f5ae Sep 24 20:45:00 Weiss: just tried non-drm kernel + kms DDX and no-WSOD during resume.. rebooting to drm kernel for check Sep 24 20:46:37 playya: my .conf looks somehow different :/ http://pastebin.com/d2fe34f47 Sep 24 20:56:28 agg1n1, I'm missing a pluginpath is ... in my logs Sep 24 20:58:33 playya: in frameworkd.log? dont't have it either Sep 24 21:04:37 playya, I found usb_gadget audio in .31!) Sep 24 21:04:56 same as printer!) Sep 24 21:05:30 cool Sep 24 21:06:11 so i might be able to use my FR for my SIP calls on the PC or do GSM calls over my freernner? Sep 24 21:06:30 agg1n1, it's fsousage not fsousage_D_ Sep 24 21:07:07 I don't know, I just compiling .31 for laptop, and find it Sep 24 21:07:21 playya: :O Sep 24 21:07:50 never changed anything Sep 24 21:08:32 max_posedon, that might be great, because it makes it possible to integrate your phone into yout PC/laptop Sep 24 21:10:32 pshh, just came back from a leonard cohen concert Sep 24 21:10:36 was CRAZY. Sep 24 21:11:06 playya: fsousaged wants a "fsousage" (w/o d) section Sep 24 21:11:43 yes Sep 24 21:11:59 * playya greps if this is a typo Sep 24 21:12:00 mrmoku|away, concerning sqlite, their website is quite good, what do you want to know? Sep 24 21:15:11 agg1n1, but framework uses o.*d. some plugins still use fso.*d Sep 24 21:48:02 agg1n1, i get a segfault when i register a resource Sep 24 21:51:33 playya: can you provide a backtrace? would like to know, where it segfaults Sep 24 21:52:15 in dbus_* Sep 24 21:52:22 not directly your code Sep 24 21:52:44 what i've done: kill ophonekitd Sep 24 21:53:05 kill fsousaged, start it in shell Sep 24 21:53:51 hmm. maybe it's not your code Sep 24 21:54:16 nope. my fault Sep 24 22:17:35 agg1n1, mrmoku|away i still get 2 signals :( Sep 24 22:18:23 maybe wrong revision. mom Sep 24 22:35:16 oh fsousaged indeed segfault if ophonekitd is killed Sep 24 22:36:35 not much of an issue as it is restarted automatically ... what s concern me more is the fact that if there are no fsousage section in /etc/frameworkd.conf ophonkitd spaw hundereds of instances of fsousaged Sep 24 22:37:17 impossible Sep 24 22:37:31 fsousaged segfaults if the busname is used Sep 24 22:38:51 the busname is used ? Sep 24 22:39:13 I mean ousaged disabled Sep 24 22:39:21 but no fsousage section Sep 24 22:40:17 pretty weird but in the sample there are no sample for fsousage section and I only disabled ousaged back then Sep 24 22:44:08 should i paste mine? Sep 24 22:44:13 it works now :) Sep 24 22:44:40 also ophonekitd does not detect if frameword is restarted leading to wrong behaviour Sep 24 22:45:08 mine works too since a few hours :) Sep 24 22:45:38 this fsousage section took me a while to get the clue Sep 24 22:47:12 I believe it is pretty straightforward for to fix those two issues in ophonekitd (dbus signals and fsousaged , well exit instead of waiting indefinitely ) Sep 24 22:47:41 though isn't paroli in the way to replace ophonekitd ? I am lazy Sep 24 22:50:04 afaik the shr guys working on a new ophonekitd Sep 24 22:51:09 you guys really scare the hell out of me. I'm running U0808 here, with upgrade from maybe 2 weeks ago, and there's fsousaged running not so bad at all Sep 24 22:52:25 oh if not /etc/init.d/nodm and coming with old frameworkd.conf from old install I bet this is never to be seen Sep 24 22:53:37 but for example nodm stop leads to a lot of problems . e17 left some gadgets running, ophonkitd is not killed and udev consolekit are all keeping vt7 opened thus the restart happens on vt8 which does not work Sep 24 22:53:49 DocScrutinizer, that was before vala 0.7.6 ;) Sep 24 22:55:36 the fsousaged may probably be a good candidate for a straightforward fix (close if no section is found) and will be needed for more than the time it will take to make the fix and get it applied Sep 24 22:58:12 well I'm really glad I get a *phone* next week Sep 24 23:01:48 beware it does not burn ;) Sep 24 23:02:16 DocScrutinizer, palm or gta02-core? Sep 24 23:02:19 I found the explanation for nokia battery behing too dangerous thus the need for close source drivers quite enlightening Sep 24 23:02:55 those batteries are **** stupid Sep 24 23:03:55 aah, tell me about batteries :-D. Always been a big miracle to me Sep 24 23:05:20 DocScrutinizer-8, talk about your new phone ;) Sep 24 23:06:07 and yes, actually I had times I sweated when thinking about Neo bat drivers messed up by specialists with no decent idea Sep 24 23:06:09 not too much ... what made me choose the neo is that I was waiting for a nokia one ... when this summer they told there will eb microsoft office in all their phoen by the end of the year ... which in short mean ms os in all phones Sep 24 23:07:23 and the most amusing is that today ms bought a phone manufacturer to flood the market with their own brand ... rofll Sep 24 23:07:40 who? Sep 24 23:07:45 as if nobody has ever seen that before Sep 24 23:07:48 * DocScrutinizer-8 shrugs Sep 24 23:07:58 prahal: thats not a bad move. phone makers are reducing the amunt of winmo phones Sep 24 23:08:05 htc is moving to android slowly Sep 24 23:08:27 others like samsung who have done winmo phones a lot are expanding and diversivying not consolidating Sep 24 23:08:34 yes and I belive they will succeed in taking the market ... they are the best marketing company in the world Sep 24 23:08:59 look around and the overall trend is to have winmo dwindle, so the best bet for ms is... make your own winmo phones and consolidate in a single brand Sep 24 23:09:10 I am not talking technical or anything else but about marketing they are unbelievable (and management they are pretty well on the top too) Sep 24 23:09:17 wehat i like about the mobile world is.. no 1 company "owns the market" Sep 24 23:09:35 like ms does on pc's. it's diversivied enough to keep it interesting Sep 24 23:09:50 let ms haver their phones. good for them. there are people who like winmo.. Sep 24 23:10:00 (i don't! but i won't deny others their loves) Sep 24 23:10:09 they bought "danger" a blackberry contender Sep 24 23:10:11 but in general linux is the growing trend. Sep 24 23:10:21 i'm waiting for the android fad to die down Sep 24 23:11:41 they bought danger? that was months ago Sep 24 23:11:54 and danager doesn't make hardware I think Sep 24 23:12:02 tmzt: sidekick Sep 24 23:12:13 I know Sep 24 23:12:21 ouch yes ... france news channel bfm needs an update ... or maybe it was that the deal was signed today Sep 24 23:12:22 who makes them? Sep 24 23:12:30 probably closed Sep 24 23:12:53 thought you meant somebody else, that would be interesting Sep 24 23:13:16 tmzt: well as best i know danger "makes" the sidekick. a lot of smaller mobile makers dont own their own factories. they have an oem make them - but they do design, initial testing and software, which in the end really make the phone that you see be somethng unique Sep 24 23:13:25 right, ok Sep 24 23:13:37 I thought it was toshiba, but I think you are right Sep 24 23:13:45 well reagarding that they sold xbox knowing they were loosing 4 billion each year ... they don't need to buy a big company , only the patents Sep 24 23:13:48 last i checked even palm had oems do the production Sep 24 23:14:03 I know one of the Palm developers mentioned going to the factory when he was there Sep 24 23:14:40 raster: I think the solution to the android/webos approach is to show that X works well on this hardware Sep 24 23:14:49 and there's a real api choice/solution Sep 24 23:15:10 tmzt: which hw? i have hw with x running just dandily :) Sep 24 23:15:20 some hybrid of maemo5 and webos would be interesting to me Sep 24 23:15:27 with acceleration? Sep 24 23:15:27 there is no need for a solution. it's solved Sep 24 23:15:37 Xorg? not kdrive Sep 24 23:15:42 there isn't any need. Sep 24 23:15:42 working ts calibration Sep 24 23:15:55 udev in place of hal Sep 24 23:15:56 doesnt matter xorg, kdrive... u talk the same standard Sep 24 23:16:04 HOW you implement your xserver isnt too relevant Sep 24 23:16:22 X people say not to use kdrive on new hardware and don't want to support it Sep 24 23:18:08 and gta02 hw developer says he will stop supporting development of FOSS as it seems to lead nowhere Sep 24 23:18:27 (for NEO that is) Sep 24 23:20:21 tmzt: not really important. up to you. the companies dont ask for support. Sep 24 23:20:44 if it works as an xserevr on that hw, how you implement it (xorg, kdrive, or write your own in java or whatever) isnt' relevant Sep 24 23:20:50 all xservers speak x protocol - the same one Sep 24 23:20:56 I get that Sep 24 23:20:58 so all apps work with all xservers Sep 24 23:21:07 use the one that works for you Sep 24 23:21:16 but we have custom ioctl's on the msm_fb which X does not support Sep 24 23:21:20 so we use a thread in the kernel Sep 24 23:21:25 you said that wasn't really an issue Sep 24 23:21:31 that it might not need flipping Sep 24 23:21:47 i know and thats totally horrible Sep 24 23:21:54 x basically needs a driver for that hw Sep 24 23:22:03 it doesn thave one so its in dumb fb mode Sep 24 23:22:14 yes, but they don't want one written for the kdrive server Sep 24 23:22:26 and u'll have bad performance etc. etc. until a proper driver exists. but everyone seems to think x shoudl be perfect withotu ever having a driver written Sep 24 23:22:27 :) Sep 24 23:22:40 then write a modular driver for xorg Sep 24 23:22:43 it doesnt much matter Sep 24 23:22:51 Pre has the same thing, since stefan_schmidt is planning a port to that Sep 24 23:23:33 if he uses their kernel he will need to support their method Sep 24 23:23:35 * stefan_schmidt missed the context Sep 24 23:23:46 framebuffer Sep 24 23:23:57 uses ioctl to flip the screen like Palm does Sep 24 23:24:07 allowing for offscreen rendering Sep 24 23:24:37 I might take my gps comment back, X might be harder Sep 24 23:25:18 PaulFertser: cyrillic keyboard stickers = холошо!! Sep 24 23:25:24 stefan_schmidt, did you already order a palm pre? Sep 24 23:26:18 Ainulindale, s/л/р, хоРошо Sep 24 23:26:19 playya: not possible yet Sep 24 23:26:29 Yeah I know max_posedon Sep 24 23:26:30 I'm tired :-) Sep 24 23:26:33 playya: Will stand in front of the shop at 13th it seems. :) Sep 24 23:26:44 max_posedon: Reaaally tired :-) Sep 24 23:26:51 13th O2 shop? Sep 24 23:27:08 max_posedon: как дела by the way? :-) Sep 24 23:27:37 fine, thanks, I'm trying push you (shr-devs) create releases/snapshots Sep 24 23:27:57 (shr as software, not distro) Sep 24 23:28:27 Ainulindale, btw, is developement of shr _apps_ slowing down? even may be near stopped? Sep 24 23:28:44 I'm sorry to say I don't have a single idea this days Sep 24 23:29:07 I'm merely shitting out of whatever orifice contracts proposals on contract proposals on a day to day basis Sep 24 23:29:18 As I have to make my company earn some money :-) Sep 24 23:30:06 ok, anyway, I hope mrmoku right person for this request, and he have time Sep 24 23:30:16 (can't even speak proper english at this hour by the way) Sep 24 23:30:29 Yep and I truly hope I'll have some time after the rush Sep 24 23:30:38 I feel the ache to do OE things again Sep 24 23:31:16 btw, are any fso devs around here right now? Sep 24 23:31:24 does framework support python-3.1? Sep 24 23:31:30 (will it?) Sep 24 23:31:50 as framework is switching to vala ... Sep 24 23:32:48 I bet there will be bindings though they should work with any version of python they were generated against Sep 24 23:32:54 stefan_schmidt, may be you know status? Sep 24 23:33:12 I don't care about binding, just about framework itself Sep 24 23:33:43 max_posedon: oh, no idea. That's somethiong for mickey or shoragan. But for now we only use 2.5 and 2.6 Sep 24 23:34:04 No idea if it will work with 3.x out of the box Sep 24 23:34:23 max_posedon: btw, you have seen the new tarballs on .../sources/ ? Sep 24 23:34:31 yes!, thanks!) Sep 24 23:34:48 I already packaged them all and gentoo people have them Sep 24 23:35:05 max_posedon: wow, great Sep 24 23:35:16 but most of them was little buggy, but I'll speak with micket about that Sep 24 23:35:21 max_posedon: hopefully we will get better with releases. At least we try Sep 24 23:35:31 max_posedon: ok, can all be fixed. Sep 24 23:35:36 he forgot add some vala files, and keeped useless C Sep 24 23:37:04 stefan_schmidt, also, what about framework status itself? Sep 24 23:37:11 e.g. is it frozen? Sep 24 23:37:24 max_posedon: That may be done by choice. IIRC he likes the idea of distrubuting the c files. As "easier" way to use the code. I don't like it either. :) Sep 24 23:37:48 problem is that .c files harder to use for mainteiners Sep 24 23:37:49 is that because of a problem with vala-native in oe? Sep 24 23:37:54 they jyst doesn't work! Sep 24 23:38:19 max_posedon: (framework) no, most work mickey is doing right now is in FSO 2.0 that'S right, but we still have fso 1.0 a working solution right no Sep 24 23:38:26 tmzt, gentoo (ok, overlay) have fso's vala version Sep 24 23:38:33 It gets updates and fixes as we have time or see problems Sep 24 23:38:52 I haven't looked at the vala stuff myself yet Sep 24 23:38:59 problem is that most of us have to do other work to get money in which leaves less time for fso :( Sep 24 23:39:08 not sure if it's worth getting cdma to work on python or vala though Sep 24 23:39:11 I looked at open bugs for milestone6, and it looks like that bugs nobody will fix soon Sep 24 23:39:14 so I will look at both of them Sep 24 23:39:25 just because... fso2.0 is better place Sep 24 23:39:47 I'm speaking about it, just because I want framework release too) Sep 24 23:41:10 but for now, I should go sleep, Sep 24 23:41:15 max_posedon: yeah, need to do one. :( Sep 24 23:41:18 night Sep 24 23:41:22 to do what? Sep 24 23:41:26 a relase Sep 24 23:43:03 tmzt, yes Sep 24 23:43:13 yeah right Sep 24 23:47:09 I'll push my music daemon soon Sep 24 23:47:29 stefan_schmidt, btw, before I finally gone, also it will be nice to have also, zhone (just for history) and python-helpers stuff. Sep 24 23:47:38 thanks, and buy now) Sep 24 23:47:48 bye max_posedon Sep 24 23:48:21 max_posedon: hmm, that sounds like real work. :) Sep 24 23:51:53 anyone know, if you own the device when you rent it for 2 years from O2? Sep 24 23:52:25 playya: you own it after you paid off everything Sep 24 23:52:44 playya: But you can do this in one shot I think Sep 24 23:52:52 At least that is what I plan to do Sep 24 23:53:18 but it will cost ~800€? Sep 24 23:53:45 and i have to got to the vodafone shop and end my contract Sep 24 23:56:50 and i need a new laptop, which is quite expensive,too Sep 24 23:57:07 playya: It costs 481€ Sep 24 23:57:14 And it is sim lock free as well Sep 24 23:57:23 no idea bout your laptop tho :D Sep 24 23:57:30 but with a contract Sep 24 23:57:38 no Sep 24 23:58:04 481 is without contract and simlock Sep 24 23:58:41 thats cheap Sep 24 23:59:45 well, it's ok if you see what you get for it Sep 25 00:00:17 yes Sep 25 00:00:45 i still have 2 contracts with vodafone to get my n95 8GB Sep 25 00:01:17 anyone here, who can bring git.bitwiz.org.uk? Sep 25 00:02:33 ok. one is for my freerunner Sep 25 00:03:08 ok, need to sleep. later guys Sep 25 00:03:16 later Sep 25 00:03:33 nite! Sep 25 00:04:31 night raster Sep 25 00:05:55 wel nite to stefan... Sep 25 00:05:59 i'm up and kicking Sep 25 00:06:24 ok, long wire from australia Sep 25 00:08:01 heehhe Sep 25 00:48:14 hmm 481 eur isnt too cheap. Sep 25 01:11:24 how's android doing on the FR now? Sep 25 01:11:36 i need some newer and faster than SHR unstable Sep 25 01:15:40 i think you can ask it in #and2fr Sep 25 01:15:59 if it's wrong i look into my email client Sep 25 01:21:50 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07cornucopia * r4e671d9a3a2a 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/resource.vala: Fix rapid emmiting of ResoueceChange. Thanks to agg1n1 Sep 25 01:21:51 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07cornucopia * r1f16749c17db 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/Makefile.am: Change file order to avoid segfault, Thanks to agg1n **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 25 02:59:58 2009