**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 29 02:59:58 2009 Sep 29 05:29:09 Hi there! libfso-glib0 seems to be outdated: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for fsousaged: * libfso-glib0 (>= 0.2.1+gitr47+7608c8d98bb65bb5beca6621eb86920b71df1bc9) * Sep 29 05:29:22 this is the one at repository: libfso-glib0 - 0.2.0-gitrx45+90115e7b9fd6cf7037d002c6a666805ccd7b43cd-r0 - Sep 29 05:29:26 (shr-u) Sep 29 05:47:39 mrmoku: Hi there, do you know about the status of libfso-glib0: fsousaged requires >=0.2.1 but only 0.2.0 is available in the repository. Should I -force-depends? Sep 29 05:47:55 rhkfin: no, just don't update yet Sep 29 05:48:04 ok, I just did :) Sep 29 05:48:11 (not -force) Sep 29 06:25:19 Ainulindale: ping Sep 29 06:27:02 hi vegyraupe Sep 29 06:27:13 hey rhkfin Sep 29 06:28:53 How's Paroli on SHR doing? Sep 29 06:29:01 rhkfin: no clue :) Sep 29 06:29:10 you'd need to ask khiraly about that Sep 29 06:29:18 but he is using it Sep 29 06:29:29 there was a package last time I checked Sep 29 06:29:29 and it worked Sep 29 06:29:33 so I guess it is doing good Sep 29 06:29:46 (just proved that I actually do know ...) Sep 29 06:29:47 ok, nice Sep 29 08:14:25 vegyraupe: pong Sep 29 10:10:38 mrmoku, Ainulindale: I made this page: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Howto%20get%20my%20application%20in%20the%20SHR%20feed is it ok? Sep 29 10:12:47 Heinervdm: well done!!! Sep 29 10:14:24 * rhkfin sees the communities moving further from each other: the openmoko-community is only about qtmoko now.. Sep 29 10:14:31 rhkfin: there is space for optimization, but i think it's goog starting point for a lot of people Sep 29 10:14:36 indeed Sep 29 10:59:22 svn: Target path '/trunk/etk' does not exist Sep 29 11:01:28 hmm, because of efl bump Sep 29 11:36:50 python-elementary doesn't compile Sep 29 11:39:01 Heinervdm: I like it (getting app to shr page) Sep 29 11:39:15 Heinervdm: there is more stuff that does not compile :( Sep 29 11:39:34 mrmoku: sent a patch for etk, because that moved to OLD Sep 29 11:42:32 Heinervdm: Xge.c:118: error: 'GenericEvent' undeclared (first use in this function) Sep 29 11:42:44 while compiling edje-native from scratch Sep 29 11:43:03 looks like new xserver needs eviext Sep 29 11:43:24 and we have no recipe for native eviext Sep 29 12:06:34 Heinervdm: hmm... not eviiext as it seems... Sep 29 12:08:06 mrmoku: for me edje-native compiled... Sep 29 12:08:39 Heinervdm: but not from scratch Sep 29 12:09:17 Heinervdm: it is not edje-native creating the problem... libxext-native instead Sep 29 12:09:21 does that compile for you? Sep 29 12:09:42 mrmoku: will try Sep 29 12:10:31 Sending long events requires an XGE-aware libX11/libxcb! The server must not send a long event unless it is sure that the client supports XGE, otherwise the protocol will be unaligned. libX11 without xcb support does not support GenericEvents. Sep 29 12:15:06 mrmoku: that compiles too Sep 29 12:18:05 strange Sep 29 12:18:09 raster: any idea about this error? http://shr.pastebin.com/m6cf466c6 Sep 29 12:19:27 mrmoku: then i have some old headers... Sep 29 12:24:12 mrmoku: i'm trying to build a project with bitbake, but it gives me strange errors on cleaning already... could that be a result of fucked up makefiles?: http://pastebin.com/d601c1ad6 Sep 29 12:24:36 Heinervdm: nfi. python goop. Sep 29 12:24:44 i dont do python Sep 29 12:24:51 raster: ok Sep 29 12:26:02 agg1n: you have to define a SRCREV Sep 29 12:26:47 in conf/sane-srcrev.conf or conf/shr-autorev-unstable.conf Sep 29 12:37:11 Heinervdm: thanks, cleaning works now Sep 29 13:02:52 hello all. I'm a bit confused by the Query method of org.freesmartphone.PIM.Contacts has anybody used it? I'm trying to retrieve the list of contact currently stored. maybe there's a more use full doc then docs.freesmartphone.org? Sep 29 13:06:28 Arigead: look at opimd-utils for examples, another doc then that on docs.freesmartphone.org doesn't exist Sep 29 13:07:15 Arigead: at the beginning of of opimd-dates is a short python wrapper class, look at this Sep 29 13:10:41 Heinervdm: Thanks a million Sep 29 13:12:55 Arigead: for all Contacts get the dbus object and use the GetContent() method Sep 29 13:14:36 Arigead: got local-build running for phonegui-efl2? Sep 29 13:15:38 Heinervdm: haven't got that local build working at all. Confused as I've ever been ;-) Sep 29 13:16:08 Still trying though I'll crack it, well stumble upon the answer really. Something in my Ubuntu config or something Sep 29 13:16:29 Arigead: strange thing your local build problem... Sep 29 13:17:28 Was thinking of going into the libframeworkd-phonegui-efl dir and rm -rf * Then copy all the contents of the efl2 dir in there and do a local build of efl. That build works ;-) Sep 29 13:17:30 Arigead: you have the requiere local-builds.inc uncommented in your local.conf? Sep 29 13:18:38 Heinervdm: Afraid so. Like I say local build of libframeworkd-phonegui-efl works it's just if you add a '2' at the end it seems to ignore local-builds.inc Sep 29 13:19:05 Arigead: strange Sep 29 13:19:54 Heinervdm: You're tellin' me ;-) Sep 29 13:23:03 Arigead: I did not quite understand your directory layout... if I understood correctly you have the sources inside your OE buildtree? Sep 29 13:24:12 * mrmoku rereads mail Sep 29 13:26:23 Arigead: I'm building from /usr/local/working/openmoko/shr/shr-unstable and from Sep 29 13:26:26 there shr-apps/shr contains all the local source Sep 29 13:26:38 mrmoku: I followed the instructions to create a folder shr-apps in shr-unstable. so all the apps end up in shr-unstable/shr-apps/shr/* that's were the code is for libframeworkd-efl (which does build) I did a git clone of libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 to the same dir shr-unstable/shr-apps/shr/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 Sep 29 13:26:54 is what you wrote... the difference between efl and efl2 is that efl is a subdir in the shr repository and efl2 has its own repo Sep 29 13:27:30 Arigead: cloning into the same dir is a bad idea (and I think git should refuse to do that) Sep 29 13:27:36 as it already is a git repository Sep 29 13:27:53 cd shr-apps; git clone libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 Sep 29 13:28:02 is what you should do... to have it in parallel with shr Sep 29 13:28:12 does anyone know the package name for claws mail in the shr repositories? I thought it would just be opkg install claws-mail, but that package doesnt exist. Sep 29 13:28:34 mrmoku: Oh sh1t I thought when the code was cloned to the local directory structure the build process wouldn't care about repo structure. What a fool Sep 29 13:28:34 thegreen4me: opkg list | grep claws Sep 29 13:29:23 Arigead: well... it does not explain what you see... because it should not build from remote repo anyway then... maybe complain that it can't find the sources Sep 29 13:29:32 it doesn't look like there is any thing with "claws" in it Sep 29 13:29:41 I know the package is in there somewhere Sep 29 13:29:41 thegreen4me: which repo? Sep 29 13:29:51 shr testing Sep 29 13:30:00 ahh... in old testing probably not so Sep 29 13:30:08 mrmoku: Fair point I've been waiting for it to complain that it can't find my local source! Sep 29 13:30:35 Arigead: please correct that path layout... and see if it still does not work Sep 29 13:30:46 is there any where else I can find the claws mail package? Sep 29 13:31:14 thegreen4me: it is in the shr-unstable repo... don't know if it works for testing though Sep 29 13:31:24 might work... or might not :P Sep 29 13:31:30 ill try adding that feed Sep 29 13:31:45 thegreen4me: take care to *not* upgrade then though ;) Sep 29 13:31:52 k Sep 29 13:33:35 anybody with libeflvala experience around? Sep 29 13:33:37 spaetz: ping :) Sep 29 13:34:56 mrmoku: i have little experiences with it, but i changed many things in libeflvala to make it more convenient for me :D Sep 29 13:36:16 agg1n: I have problems building a small app with it... it complains about not finding efreet headers Sep 29 13:37:39 mrmoku: efreet?! that name never popped up for me :X Sep 29 13:38:04 agg1n: it's the e lib implementing the .desktop / menu specs me thinks Sep 29 13:38:25 agg1n: I have all e libs installed into /usr/local... and it finds everything but efreet Sep 29 13:38:41 if I do export CPATH=/usr/local/include/efreet it builds fine Sep 29 13:38:49 * mrmoku does not want to do that though ;) Sep 29 13:40:57 agg1n: my guess would be that Elementary.h now includes the efreet headers and did not before... and libeflvala needs adjusting somehow Sep 29 13:43:40 mrmoku: on my old shr-u building still works... could you paste the build output? Sep 29 13:44:41 agg1n: http://shr.pastebin.com/m68a4022d Sep 29 13:44:44 brb Sep 29 13:53:04 mrmoku: pong Sep 29 13:53:26 haven't worked with either vala or libefl for a long time :-) b shoot Sep 29 13:53:29 but shoot Sep 29 13:54:07 my experience is before that efreet stuff, which I think is pretty new. Sep 29 13:54:25 spaetz_: ok... then you won't be able to help ;) Sep 29 13:54:32 sorry, nope Sep 29 13:54:35 np :) Sep 29 13:54:49 we shoould trash the efl desktop screen anyway and just use launcher Sep 29 13:54:52 spaetz_: who is working on libeflvala apart from mickey_away ? Sep 29 13:54:56 morphis? Sep 29 13:55:09 not really Sep 29 13:55:28 let me check the git log Sep 29 13:55:56 me, then just mickey Sep 29 13:56:02 one Leonti Bielski inbetween Sep 29 13:56:15 some morphis in April this year Sep 29 13:56:31 hmm... you then ;) Sep 29 13:56:48 last touches from me also April this year :-) Sep 29 13:57:03 what would one have to add that it will find the efreet headers? Sep 29 13:57:07 10 days ago Michael 'Mickey... catch up with Vala 0.7.6 Sep 29 13:57:38 I haven't got a recent eflinstallation on this desktop. let me check our current libeflvala though Sep 29 13:58:32 spaetz_: the stuff in the .deps files... are those references to other vapi files? Sep 29 14:00:14 Du fragst Sachen :-) Sep 29 14:00:24 no clue, I know very little about all that crap Sep 29 14:00:46 I basically started hacking on it in order to learn but ran out of time and motivation Sep 29 14:00:59 mrmoku: i think they are Sep 29 14:01:37 ok, thanks to both :) Sep 29 14:02:00 I will keep my CPATH then for now Sep 29 14:02:07 yep, I think so. Just checking the ecore.deps Sep 29 14:02:54 yes, I think it refers to other .vapis Sep 29 14:03:00 just updating my efl installation Sep 29 14:03:07 do you have a test app that fails? Sep 29 14:03:58 spaetz_: I guess any will fail Sep 29 14:04:07 just try vala-settings Sep 29 14:04:52 hmm... Sep 29 14:07:44 vala-settings? Sep 29 14:07:52 mrmoku: don't you mean shr-config? Sep 29 14:08:43 yup :P Sep 29 14:09:01 though that one fails differently Sep 29 14:10:17 it hasn't seen any changes since months :-) Sep 29 14:10:31 although one guy was interested in improving it at some time Sep 29 14:11:22 I'm inclined to think that my build system is faulty :P Sep 29 14:11:22 I got stuck when i wanted to dynamically wanted to create images that show the GPS satellites... Sep 29 14:14:43 mrmoku: you could copy all files from /usr/local/include/efreet to /usr/local/include :D Sep 29 14:16:18 agg1n: nah :P Sep 29 14:16:42 I will treat it as an autofoo learning session instead :) Sep 29 14:23:14 libefl fails to compile for me Sep 29 14:26:22 mrmoku: how's E bumping? Sep 29 14:30:37 dos1: bad noting compiles :P Sep 29 14:32:20 ~ping Sep 29 14:32:21 ~pong Sep 29 14:33:27 ~logs Sep 29 14:33:28 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Sep 29 14:38:10 dos1: I bumped it... and have build problems now :( Sep 29 14:40:42 * spaetz_ looks whether raster is around Sep 29 14:40:46 we should just use gtk :-) Sep 29 14:43:15 or qt ;P Sep 29 14:46:32 nslu2-log: ? Sep 29 14:48:44 ~seen mwester Sep 29 14:48:48 mwester was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 9h 56m 1s ago, saying: 'mizerydearia, which translates to AT&T and T-Mobile only.'. Sep 29 14:53:20 agg1n: where is fsopimd git? I'm interested in it :) Sep 29 14:53:57 Heinervdm: i started to port opimd to vala Sep 29 14:54:29 agg1n: where, not what ;) Sep 29 14:54:39 Heinervdm: on my hdd :p Sep 29 14:54:45 :( Sep 29 14:54:59 Heinervdm: just converted some code until now, nothing works yet :< Sep 29 14:55:00 agg1n: how far is it? Sep 29 14:55:09 ok Sep 29 14:55:53 Heinervdm: want to use the fsoframework stuff.. backends as plugins... Sep 29 14:56:56 agg1n: sounds good Sep 29 14:57:58 Heinervdm: i fail to build it with makefiles and autogen.sh.. do you know which package contains aclocal? Sep 29 14:58:54 agg1n: no, i don't unterstand autotools :) Sep 29 14:59:41 Heinervdm: same here... don't understand bitbake either, i just want to build it xD Sep 29 14:59:48 * DocScrutinizer-8 annotates opimd needs structural improvements rather than vala-port Sep 29 15:00:42 agg1n: i learnd bitbake now, after some months :) Sep 29 15:02:02 DocScrutinizer-8: you're right, a 1:1 vala port is not very useful, but i think in vala it will become easier to improve structure.. no shit like timestamps as string, float or whatever i think.. because you always know with what type you're dealing right now :/ Sep 29 15:03:09 Heinervdm: on building do_fetch() is failing at the moment, so i gave up...once more... Sep 29 15:03:33 agg1n: what's your SRC_URI? Sep 29 15:03:49 yup, opimd needs improvements Sep 29 15:04:02 but from api side only details Sep 29 15:04:23 agg1n: I'm more referring to cache concept, which is err... suboptimal. All the cache foo should go and be replaced by sqlite backend moving from "backend" to core-function of opimd Sep 29 15:04:37 i agree, internals suck :P Sep 29 15:04:43 hehe Sep 29 15:05:12 DocScrutinizer-8: but the thing is i don't know if using sqlite for that will be even possible Sep 29 15:05:17 one should remove the cache completely and put the query things into the backends Sep 29 15:05:40 as we need some features which sql doesn't provide (or i don't know about them :P) Sep 29 15:06:14 such as? Sep 29 15:06:49 Heinervdm: put into *one* backend that's sqlite. this "backend" can't be deactivated and always is up to date wrt syncing other backends Sep 29 15:07:31 dos1: I bet the 2nd half of your statement is more to the point ;-P Sep 29 15:08:10 the problem is the design of the sqlite backend :) Sep 29 15:08:29 for int operations on need int fields Sep 29 15:08:47 but curretnly every field is TEXT Sep 29 15:09:15 ouch Sep 29 15:09:18 and there you can't use < or > Sep 29 15:09:38 though I don't see much int ops Sep 29 15:09:42 DocScrutinizer-8: it's not so easy to change it, because you don't know wich fields you will have Sep 29 15:10:49 Heinervdm: aah, i c. So that would need real programming ;-P Sep 29 15:11:11 DocScrutinizer-8: yes :) Sep 29 15:11:24 and regexps Sep 29 15:11:30 and few other filtering stuff Sep 29 15:12:06 hmmm, yummy. Sounds like fun Sep 29 15:12:07 well, if some real programmer would start writing it, he'd of course finally write it Sep 29 15:12:08 DocScrutinizer-8: but it shouldn't be that hard, because you get the type from dbus, and can chosse your table dependend on that type Sep 29 15:12:20 but it's quite too much for just me ;) Sep 29 15:12:28 so look for int in the int-table and for text in the text table Sep 29 15:13:12 a regexp should be possible too Sep 29 15:15:11 Heinervdm: see my comments to TAsn regarding phoneutils normalization and how to do that using custom-functions for collation sequence in sqlite Sep 29 15:16:20 If one rewrites opimd, i will rewrite sqlite backend ;) Sep 29 15:18:27 hmm, to me it seems the whole point is there will not be anymore any sqlite *backend* Sep 29 15:18:46 But i think, it's working for now, and programming power is needed in other places, so one should rewrite other apps Sep 29 15:18:50 when sqlite is replacing opimd cache Sep 29 15:19:15 * DocScrutinizer-8 annotates opimd needs structural improvements rather than vala-port Sep 29 15:19:41 Heinervdm: ^ Sep 29 15:20:33 we need phone libs in SHR which use opimd interface ;p Sep 29 15:20:53 dos1: yes that's most important now :) Sep 29 15:21:11 just saying a vala-port of a "obsolete" program design is even less useful than any structural improvements to the python opimd Sep 29 15:22:11 that's probably right, i just startet it, because i wanted to learn vala and didn't know what to do else Sep 29 15:23:20 i want to learn vala too Sep 29 15:23:52 dos1: but fr doing useful FR stuff, we'll need a working libeflvala Sep 29 15:23:57 agg1n: my concern is: once there is a vala implementation, it's even less likely we ever will see that to change from nonsense cache concept to much simpler and better sqlite core datastructure Sep 29 15:24:00 which is currently very limited Sep 29 15:24:03 i'll start with contact list feeded by opimd using index ;) Sep 29 15:24:12 libeflvala limited? Sep 29 15:24:48 well, genlist is there, index is there Sep 29 15:24:50 all i need atm :D Sep 29 15:26:18 spaetz_: with some modification libeflvala is "working", i wrote a sms-prototype-app that uses it :/ Sep 29 15:27:38 agg1n: it's not complete at all. I was using some evas Image stuff and things changed with the next vala/efl versions, so it doesn't work anymore Sep 29 15:28:52 spaetz_: yeah, i had to extend the vapi-files sometimes Sep 29 15:29:29 spaetz_: but that's easy and takes not much time Sep 29 15:31:30 agg1n: please, don't leave those patches for yourself Sep 29 15:31:45 libeflvala is on fso git, even i can commit to it :P Sep 29 15:34:29 hello world in vala works :D Sep 29 15:37:11 dos1: i could provide a patch for some vapi changes, but that would not be very complete... Sep 29 15:38:13 vampi eats fsausaged Sep 29 15:44:13 hehe Sep 29 15:45:17 agg1n: any chage to the better is good Sep 29 15:45:21 I can commit those too Sep 29 15:45:47 DocScrutinizer-8: vampi sucks :) Sep 29 15:45:56 hehe Sep 29 15:46:41 took me some time to accept I won't make a sentence with "suck sausage" Sep 29 15:53:34 DocScrutinizer-8: hey Sep 29 15:53:46 DocScrutinizer-8: seen my link to illume theme? Sep 29 15:53:46 :) Sep 29 15:53:53 PaulFertser: hey, and cya Sep 29 15:54:04 PaulFertser: not yet Sep 29 15:54:15 where is it? Sep 29 15:55:01 http://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org:777/files/screwed_niebiee/illume.edj Sep 29 15:57:50 PaulFertser: hmm? ;) Sep 29 15:58:24 paulfertser.is-offline.ru :P Sep 29 15:58:53 dos1: i managed to make the keyboard topbar quite small (about 1/4 of a single button height). Sep 29 15:59:04 oh, nice :) Sep 29 15:59:20 dos1: using some dirty stupid insane methods like commenting out random stuff etc. Sep 29 15:59:26 PaulFertser: Sep 29 15:59:26 Forbidden Sep 29 15:59:26 You don't have permission to access /files/screwed_niebiee/illume.edj on this server. Sep 29 15:59:36 PaulFertser: hehehe, just like me ;D Sep 29 15:59:41 dos1: try again Sep 29 15:59:44 DocScrutinizer: ^^^ Sep 29 15:59:52 mrmoku, which image do you recommend me to download? xorg one from tests? Sep 29 16:00:16 dos1: i wanted to prove that it's indeed possible to do. Not quite proved... I should have reread the edc manual first. Sep 29 16:00:58 Sharwin_F: you need it now? Sep 29 16:01:13 mrmoku, I can wait :P Sep 29 16:01:17 bbl Sep 29 16:01:36 Sharwin_F: then wait for us to solve the build problems and build a new image :) Sep 29 16:02:15 mrmoku, how far is that likely to happen? :P Sep 29 16:03:27 Sharwin_F: it'll happen for sure Sep 29 16:03:34 the question is - when it'll happen Sep 29 16:03:35 ;P Sep 29 16:04:04 which are the problems? Sep 29 16:05:36 dos1: btw, your niebee has a file named kdb.edc Sep 29 16:06:38 yup Sep 29 16:06:49 it's making keyboard blue :D Sep 29 16:07:04 (AFAIR) Sep 29 16:11:15 Sharwin_F: right now the problem is libxext-native Sep 29 16:12:13 agg1n: ping Sep 29 16:12:36 dos1: pong Sep 29 16:12:36 spaetz, spaetz__: you too ping ;) Sep 29 16:12:52 how should i compile vala code using libeflvala? Sep 29 16:13:04 mrmoku: i started a build from scratch too, but for me libxext-native compiled fine Sep 29 16:13:06 i've got lots of undefined references Sep 29 16:13:17 (on linking) Sep 29 16:13:31 Heinervdm: hmmm Sep 29 16:13:47 * mrmoku starts yet another buildtree :P Sep 29 16:13:52 :) Sep 29 16:14:50 dos1: valac --pkg elementary --pkg eflvala-1.0 .. blub.vala -o blub Sep 29 16:15:00 dos1, Heinervdm: btw... I found something regarding misc-vapi... the .bb has DEPENDS = instead of DEPENDS += ... which might be responsable for some of the problems with it Sep 29 16:15:00 dos1: or what do you mean? Sep 29 16:15:52 agg1n: s/elementary/elm/, and it works, thanks :) Sep 29 16:17:39 * mrmoku dinner Sep 29 16:17:40 bbl Sep 29 16:22:15 * Weiss considers doing a "what to do if your FR WSoDs/BSoDs/doesn't wake up/etc" Wiki page, with instructions for how to test "depth of consciousness" for the developers.. Sep 29 16:36:26 agg1n: do you know how to use genlist? :DD Sep 29 16:37:00 hi all! Sep 29 16:37:36 dos1 is shr images in tests/mrmoku/ is suitable for every day using Sep 29 16:37:36 ? Sep 29 16:37:50 mrmoku|away: gtk+-2.14.2 faild Sep 29 16:40:36 alexxy: dunno Sep 29 16:40:47 but for typical user - no Sep 29 16:41:40 dos1: there is an example in libeflvala repo Sep 29 16:41:58 agg1n: yup, i already saw it Sep 29 16:42:13 agg1n: but i can't figure out how to place something on list item Sep 29 16:42:16 i have only blank items :x Sep 29 16:42:47 dos1: you have to store the genlistitems somewhere, so they don't get destroyed Sep 29 16:43:00 mrmoku|away: never mind, same error as ever Sep 29 16:43:42 agg1n: but still - where should i define label? Sep 29 16:44:17 dos1: it's the first parameter of the append function i think :/ Sep 29 16:44:55 agg1n: first is Elm.GenlistItemClass Sep 29 16:45:01 + object Sep 29 16:45:14 ah Sep 29 16:45:24 there is the callback function label_get Sep 29 16:45:36 the list gets the label text from there Sep 29 16:45:46 ohhh Sep 29 16:45:51 ok :) Sep 29 16:45:59 that explains everything :D Sep 29 16:50:06 dos1: pong Sep 29 16:50:21 I haven't used liveflvala since June I think :-) Sep 29 16:50:42 libeflvala, even Sep 29 16:51:55 place things in list items... mmh Sep 29 16:52:05 I think shr-config only has hover-selects Sep 29 16:52:58 agg1n: hmm, it still doesn't work Sep 29 16:53:01 dos1: here you can see how I put stuff in hover-selects Sep 29 16:53:03 http://github.com/spaetz/shr-config/blob/master/src/profiles.vala Sep 29 16:53:08 and now i see example in libeflvala has the same Sep 29 16:53:13 and it doesn't work too Sep 29 16:53:14 which I think are very similar to lists Sep 29 16:53:29 dos1: error msgs? Sep 29 16:53:44 agg1n: nothing Sep 29 16:53:48 dos1: or just blank items? Sep 29 16:53:50 agg1n: just blank items Sep 29 16:54:07 can you show me your code? Sep 29 16:54:17 yup Sep 29 16:54:19 mompl Sep 29 16:54:52 agg1n: most of code is copied from example Sep 29 16:54:58 agg1n: http://pastebin.ca/1584528 Sep 29 16:57:22 dos1: and no output at all? so getLabel does't get called? Sep 29 16:57:58 output is: Sep 29 16:58:00 ** (process:24614): DEBUG: index.vala:45: Hello world! Sep 29 16:58:02 and that's all :P Sep 29 16:59:12 hmm... learning python and pyelm was a looooot easier :D Sep 29 16:59:34 dos1: you can try one thing, i had to change one think in elm.vapi Sep 29 17:00:15 dos1: search for GenlistItemLabelGetFunc and insert "void* data" as first parameter Sep 29 17:00:39 hmm? Sep 29 17:01:35 agg1n: public delegate string GenlistItemLabelGetFunc( Elm.Object obj, string part ); Sep 29 17:01:39 agg1n: is that what you mean? Sep 29 17:01:48 dos1: yep Sep 29 17:01:56 dos1: public delegate string GenlistItemLabelGetFunc( void* data, Elm.Object obj, string part ); Sep 29 17:02:07 dos1: then it worked for me Sep 29 17:02:25 still doesn't work Sep 29 17:02:42 dos1: you changed it in your app too? Sep 29 17:02:48 agg1n: yup Sep 29 17:03:32 dos1: strange Sep 29 17:03:52 dos1: genlist sucks :< Sep 29 17:03:55 i'm building with: Sep 29 17:03:57 valac --pkg=eflvala-1.0 --pkg=elm index.vala && ./index Sep 29 17:04:04 if you want and have time you can try it yourself Sep 29 17:04:05 ;) Sep 29 17:04:11 gone now, good luck Sep 29 17:04:41 dos1: i'll try for my self! Sep 29 17:05:09 agg1n: and if you want i can commit some patches to libeflvala Sep 29 17:05:44 if only they aren't changing too much ;) Sep 29 17:07:26 dos1: ok, will try to make a patch for some vapi stuff and a bug in libeflvala in the next day... i'm quite busy now, because i'm preparing to move to an other city :X Sep 29 17:08:22 dos1: for me it doesn#t even compile :D Sep 29 17:09:27 ;D Sep 29 17:09:58 dos1: i have a visible label text Sep 29 17:12:38 Is there a libeflvala for debian? Sep 29 17:16:02 agg1n: did you change something? Sep 29 17:17:05 dos1: nothing.. at least at your code.. i'm trying to find out, if i changed anything else in the vapis or so Sep 29 17:18:50 dos1: i'll upgrade libeflvala... Sep 29 17:21:05 heyho Sep 29 17:21:59 morphis: python-elementary doesn't compile :P Sep 29 17:22:12 Heinervdm: not my fault :) Sep 29 17:22:21 Heinervdm: I commited nothing in the last days Sep 29 17:22:55 morphis: we bumped efl version, so it can be any commit in the last months Sep 29 17:23:03 ah ok Sep 29 17:23:33 morphis: http://shr.pastebin.com/m6cf466c6 Sep 29 17:23:37 dos1: nwo i have a blank label :D revert the changes in elm.vapi of latest commit Sep 29 17:23:47 dos1: then it works again Sep 29 17:24:29 Heinervdm: hm Sep 29 17:26:08 Heinervdm: which rev do you have? Sep 29 17:26:21 morphis: 42764 Sep 29 17:27:02 Heinervdm: hm ok, there are some commits not from me :) Sep 29 17:27:08 :) Sep 29 17:27:56 hm latest version 42653 compiles fine on my local pc Sep 29 17:28:56 morphis: ok, i started a build from scratch, perhaps the problem is gone... Sep 29 17:29:06 :) Sep 29 17:29:35 dos1: btw hoversel is fixed (but not by me :) Sep 29 17:29:47 morphis: what was wrong with hoversel? Sep 29 17:29:58 dos1: callback Sep 29 17:30:04 hmm? Sep 29 17:30:10 it worked Sep 29 17:30:19 always worked for me :P Sep 29 17:30:50 hm, I guess you mentioned it some time ago but never mind Sep 29 17:30:53 :) Sep 29 17:32:54 morphis: i had problems with anchors Sep 29 17:33:14 dos1: uuupps :) Sep 29 17:43:01 mrmoku: Did you had this error too, while compiling elementary? elm_main.c:412: error: '_elm_need_efreet' undeclared (first use in this function) Sep 29 17:43:22 Heinervdm: i had it today Sep 29 17:43:44 dos1: how did you solve it? Sep 29 17:44:05 Heinervdm: i uninstalled e_dbus and efreet and rerun configure of elementary ;P Sep 29 17:44:17 Heinervdm: something similar while building my vala test app Sep 29 17:44:37 uninstall solved the problem? Sep 29 17:44:45 <[HtR]_0xEF^3> hi guys. can anyone give me a hint on how to write sms / call from the command line on FSO and SHR?... Sep 29 17:45:39 Heinervdm: yup Sep 29 17:45:47 Heinervdm: but without installing it again before compiling elementary Sep 29 17:46:06 dos1: strange Sep 29 17:46:30 Heinervdm: it's some bug in code which is compiled only when optional e_dbus and efreet support is enabled Sep 29 17:47:25 dos1: but elementary depends on edbus... Sep 29 17:47:35 Heinervdm: i compiled it on pc Sep 29 17:49:57 dos1: ok, it compiles without edbus and efreet Sep 29 17:52:03 [HtR]_0xEF^3: look at doc.freesmartphone.org, there is the fso api documentated, then you can use mdbus to call the function you over dbus Sep 29 17:52:16 s/function you/function you want/ Sep 29 17:52:17 morphis meant: [HtR]_0xEF^3: look at doc.freesmartphone.org, there is the fso api documentated, then you can use mdbus to call the function you want over dbus Sep 29 17:55:09 <[HtR]_0xEF^3> it would be convinient to have scripts like Sep 29 17:55:09 <[HtR]_0xEF^3> # call +1234567890 Sep 29 17:55:09 <[HtR]_0xEF^3> # sms +1234567890 'cool sms works here' Sep 29 17:56:40 [HtR]_0xEF^3: just write them Sep 29 17:56:50 its very easy with the fso dbus api Sep 29 18:04:15 <[HtR]_0xEF^3> ah it turned out that I have QT framework currently enabled. I use it instead of fso because it allows to control sound level (the phone is a little bit silent). Sep 29 18:34:24 NOTE: Running task 5032 of 7538 of shr-lite-image Sep 29 18:35:40 Running task 342 of 885 of libxext-native :P Sep 29 18:36:43 :) Sep 29 18:37:24 mrmoku: till now only 2 problems: gtk+ and elementary Sep 29 18:37:52 for gtk+ i remove the -version-script from configure script Sep 29 18:38:17 and for elementary i cleand edbus und efreet and comiled elementary with bitbake -b Sep 29 18:50:14 ERROR: Build of /home/thomas/SHR/SHR/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/python/python-elementary_svn.bb do_compile failed Sep 29 19:01:13 DocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer-8, when you have time to elaborate on your suggestion for gsm fingerprinting I'll be happy to hear it (I may be on and off here, kids still need attention when going to sleep and I still need to have dinner, but generally I'm here Sep 29 19:07:42 baruch: maybe in 90min Sep 29 19:07:51 whenever you can Sep 29 19:08:00 k :-) Sep 29 19:09:56 N810 kbd is really nice, but for exhaustive statements I prefer full-size PC Man-machine-interface. And now for TV Sep 29 19:14:46 baruch: hi Sep 29 19:14:54 baruch: you got mail ;-) Sep 29 19:15:43 baruch: just wanted to know what you think about the location service, does it make sense for me to keep working on this under its python form? Sep 29 19:16:21 onen|openBmap: hi :-) Sep 29 19:16:21 baruch: or are you writing much better code than me in vala in 2 days ;-) ? Sep 29 19:16:47 onen|openBmap: will you be arounf in 90min? Sep 29 19:16:49 DocScrutinizer: what's up doc? (I can't get enough of this :-P) Sep 29 19:17:16 DocScrutinizer: most probably not. better not count on it Sep 29 19:17:18 onen|openBmap, I don't know if I can do much work in 2 days, I only have two hours max to spend on hacking every day Sep 29 19:17:46 baruch: he he, this is real life, sad but true ;-) Sep 29 19:17:56 baruch: not much better for me here Sep 29 19:18:01 I hope to get something usable quite fast so that any old work on python code will be obsolete :-) Sep 29 19:18:15 baruch: thus I would say that it make sense for me to keep goign. in order to bring the location service to users asap Sep 29 19:18:38 onen|openBmap, as you wish, I won't tell you how to spend your time Sep 29 19:19:04 mrmoku: where does the get_evas method in elementary.c_elementary_window.pxi comes from? Sep 29 19:19:07 baruch: I know, and I won't tell you too, but I try to figure out where will my efforts be spent at best Sep 29 19:19:27 mrmoku: and where does elementary.c_elementary_window.pxi~ comes from? it's not in e svn Sep 29 19:19:37 best is to work on vala, this way we save time in the long term :-) Sep 29 19:19:52 but getting short term result is important as well Sep 29 19:20:02 Vala isn't a grail per se Sep 29 19:20:19 baruch: baruch I need some input from you about how long do you think your location service would take. only so can I guess if it makes sense or not working on python implementation... Sep 29 19:20:43 baruch: yes, time to market is key ;-) Sep 29 19:20:59 Ainulindale: I agree Sep 29 19:21:24 onen|openBmap, I need to see what api exist to get data from server, I already have code to get gsm serving and neighbor cells, the rest is just some calculation, emit a random location at first and we can improve from there :-) Sep 29 19:21:30 Ainulindale: baruch: the complete phone framework used to work quite well in python. thus the tiny location service should not be too much of a burden Sep 29 19:22:25 Ainulindale, nothing is, but vala works best for me, I dislike python memory requirement and much prefer C but dbus with C is hell, memory management takes time as well and vala is a nice compromise for me. Code is not optimal but is good enough. Sep 29 19:23:09 baruch: sorry you lost me. the api to get data from server... you mean get the location cell db? Sep 29 19:23:20 I dislike the fact that frameworkd is in python, but I dont have enough time to invest to rewrite it in vala, I put my meagre time where I can make a small difference Sep 29 19:23:21 I don't care, just tried to make a point that you can do good and bad things with each and every language :-) Sep 29 19:23:27 onen|openBmap, yes Sep 29 19:23:50 I'm more a "I want working stuff" guy :-) Sep 29 19:23:50 Ainulindale, nah, that's just wrong, you can't do anythign wrong in assembly, it's just a perfect language Sep 29 19:24:06 baruch: object oriented assembly then Sep 29 19:24:36 Ainulindale, me too, I want things to work as well, vala makes it work for me, I force no one else to use it, It's just my own preference Sep 29 19:24:57 Good thing to state :-) Sep 29 19:25:01 Heinervdm: no idea about python bindings :( Sep 29 19:25:17 I use this hammer in places I can, which means I either join projects that use it or where I start my own project Sep 29 19:25:35 baruch: I just seen a talk by a google guy, he used to write an OS in assembly during 5 years. microsoft release sth higher level which ran faster. because you loose the picture when it gets too big, and optimization are often done better by compiler Sep 29 19:25:46 mrmoku: there was sth wrong with my svn checkout Sep 29 19:26:29 onen|openBmap, he should have used OO assembly Sep 29 19:26:32 :-) Sep 29 19:27:05 Heinervdm: mmmhh building libxext-native now... lets see :P Sep 29 19:27:13 :) Sep 29 19:27:23 baruch: you will see in my code that I built a sqlite file (and will put it somewhere on the Web), that is used by the location service Sep 29 19:27:43 * spaetz crosses thumbs Sep 29 19:27:58 baruch: it is straight forward, and for what you described, you have almost everything in place already ;-) Sep 29 19:29:08 baruch: I understand that you won't jump on the python boat any time soon ;-) Sep 29 19:29:48 onen|openBmap, what does the loocation service have to ddo? Sep 29 19:30:12 a query api and it responds with rrough location? Sep 29 19:30:25 baruch: even if it looks like duplicating efforts, I think I should keep the client for now, at least until we have a more advanced vala logging code (which should come later, for what I have understood) Sep 29 19:30:37 spaetz: hi, how are things doing? Sep 29 19:30:56 spaetz: sqlite on the phone, dbus service: gives cells data, gets position Sep 29 19:31:10 busy :-) but otherwise fine Sep 29 19:31:30 mmmh, i see Sep 29 19:32:03 nothing too complicated Sep 29 19:32:25 spaetz: not at all. just been busy lately too :-( Sep 29 19:32:37 spaetz: I am almost at a packaging step Sep 29 19:32:56 packaging? Sep 29 19:33:08 shouldn't packaging be done by distro maintainers? ;p Sep 29 19:33:27 dos1: sorry, I meant distutils, cleaning, readme, documenation, and ask *you* to add it to oe :P Sep 29 19:33:33 ;) Sep 29 19:33:34 dos1: well onen|openBmap comes with a good package Sep 29 19:33:59 openbmap.org doesn't really load atm for me Sep 29 19:34:44 spaetz: weird, it does for me Sep 29 19:34:50 gets stuck somewhere, but mkght just be my n800 browser Sep 29 19:35:08 worked now, just ttook time Sep 29 19:35:45 spaetz: yep ugly javasxript library gets loaded everytime, Nick said he plans getting rid of it, slow down loading time Sep 29 19:36:38 baruch: ok then let me know if yo uneed anything for your work. Sep 29 19:38:42 2000 tasks left, crossing my fingers that everything will went through :) Sep 29 19:44:42 Heinervdm: NOTE: package libxext-native-1_1.0.99.4-r1: task do_compile: failed Sep 29 19:44:54 :( Sep 29 19:44:59 strange Sep 29 19:45:16 Heinervdm: what distro do you have on your buildhost? Sep 29 19:45:40 mrmoku: debian sid Sep 29 19:45:59 hmm... I have Fedora 11 with quite new x stuff Sep 29 19:46:02 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian | Latest News: ? Sep 29 19:46:02 Argomento per #openmoko-debian scelto da henk il Sun Feb 15 19:11:20 2009 Sep 29 19:46:02 #openmoko-debian :wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Sep 29 19:46:02 lindi-: BTW did you notice my patched version of probe-sysfs-paths -- IIRC I put it in a pastebin at some point -- I can mail it to you if not Sep 29 19:46:03 (it puts qoutes round the values, which makes it survive things that return 2 or more results) Sep 29 19:46:07 Sep 29 19:46:09 xcuse me! Sep 29 19:46:16 mrmoku: i have xserver 1.6.4 Sep 29 19:46:18 does someone know how to import contact from SIM in a way that permits then to import these contacts in android? Sep 29 19:46:55 Heinervdm: hmm... me too Sep 29 19:47:05 Heinervdm: do you have xlib devel packages installed? Sep 29 19:48:05 mrmoku: only x11proto-*-dev Sep 29 19:48:48 Heinervdm: specifically... do you have /usr/include/X11/extensions/Xge.h Sep 29 19:48:53 mrmoku: no some more... Sep 29 19:49:21 mrmoku: yes, i have Sep 29 19:49:34 hmm... getting clueless now Sep 29 19:49:41 cluestick someone? Sep 29 19:49:52 ~cluestick Sep 29 19:50:41 sorry, no Sep 29 20:03:46 I played a bit with power management and this hack come out of it: Sep 29 20:03:50 http://misc.andi.de1.cc/opt-power.sh Sep 29 20:04:08 seems to increase charging current Sep 29 20:04:56 is there any way to optimize that? Sep 29 20:07:44 the voltage_now is the voltage after the rectifier for my hub dynamo Sep 29 20:09:32 the effect is that I get a lower charge current without that script, the voltage is at 5.4V and my switching regulator acts only as an LDO Sep 29 20:10:43 and the voltage does not increase when I cycle faster Sep 29 20:11:58 but setting chg_curlim to zero and then manually to some higher value gives higher charging currents Sep 29 20:12:16 the voltage will be at 13V or so Sep 29 20:12:26 andi: i think DocScrutinizer-8 can comment on that. Sep 29 20:14:29 just claiming I don't get the picture Sep 29 20:14:37 the effect is reproducible with an labor power supply with adjustable current limitation (at 0.5A) Sep 29 20:15:27 and then putting a switching step-down regulator between that and the FR Sep 29 20:16:21 andi: "you lost me" would be a euphemism Sep 29 20:16:50 DocScrutinizer-8: maybe I should put the whole thing online Sep 29 20:16:56 and then ask again Sep 29 20:17:58 btw: switching backlight on and off does not influence the compass in the freerunner Sep 29 20:18:17 vibration motor also seems not to influence it Sep 29 20:18:22 if you would elaborate on what you did, instead of telling us about dynamos and rectifiers and stepdown regulators and 12V ( :-O ) - that would probably help a lot as well Sep 29 20:18:29 DocScrutinizer-8: he connected his FR to his bike integrated hub dynamo through switching regulator. Sep 29 20:18:52 DocScrutinizer-8: and trying various tricks to get maximum charging current from that setup. Sep 29 20:19:26 DocScrutinizer-8: when he doesn't do any tricks, his dynamo voltage is 5.4 and the charging current through battery is quite low. Sep 29 20:19:28 there's no such thing like "tricks" Sep 29 20:19:57 DocScrutinizer-8: when he sets curlim (in pcf50633) it to 0 first and then slowly makes it more and more, he gets higher charging current. Sep 29 20:20:03 USB voltage shall be 5.0V Sep 29 20:20:07 period Sep 29 20:20:55 DocScrutinizer-8: he uses switching step-down regulator inbetween dynamo and FR to ensure that. Sep 29 20:21:27 andi: ah, so we can congratulate you with really working compass now? Great! Sep 29 20:21:48 tilt compensation is not implemented Sep 29 20:22:14 ah discussion about external power source ... that brings me a question . can i power gta-01 without battery ? Sep 29 20:22:17 but the compass seems to work there Sep 29 20:22:57 and for the aim to increase charge current: due to LiIon characteristics the charge-to-full duration differs less than 20% between 500mA and 1000mA mode Sep 29 20:23:20 pwerken: no! Sep 29 20:24:26 pwgen: no Sep 29 20:24:36 pwgen: scream of death to come! Sep 29 20:24:57 s/pwerken/pwgen/ Sep 29 20:24:57 DocScrutinizer-8 meant: pwgen: no! Sep 29 20:25:00 i want use the gta 01 as static powered device on an sailboat powered by the onbord power ( car batteries ) Sep 29 20:25:22 pwgen: power it through battery terminals then ensuring low ESR for gsm modem to work properly. Sep 29 20:25:43 pwgen: then you need a 4V regulator and contact FRs battery terminals Sep 29 20:26:15 s/FRs /1973s / Sep 29 20:26:17 DocScrutinizer-8 meant: pwgen: then you need a 4V regulator and contact 1973s battery terminals Sep 29 20:26:21 i am not interesed to drive the gsm modem only gps and apm ( monitoring hardware attached to the usb ) Sep 29 20:26:28 DocScrutinizer-8: how that? in 500mA mode with cpu load I get 150mA charge current, in 1A mode I get 600mA or so (except for the last 10%) Sep 29 20:26:31 or so Sep 29 20:27:42 or am I completly wrong? Sep 29 20:28:03 pwgen: 1973 MUST NOT be powered via USB when bat removed! Sep 29 20:28:18 apt: 2 Sil-diodes with an 5 V all power (input from 3-15V) regulator wireing to the battery connector "should" work ? Sep 29 20:28:59 andi: no, you're somewhat right. I referred to backlite off, CPU idle though Sep 29 20:29:14 : yea i know it , it makes screaming sounds . and can burn the power supply Sep 29 20:30:46 pwgen: I'm not apt, and apt won't know ;-) The "bat" voltage from reg should be 4V Sep 29 20:31:27 ok i will try it out .. Sep 29 20:32:38 giving constant 5 V via the usb connector i think is not working and a bad idea . Sep 29 20:35:24 pwgen: (bad idea) as you noticed yourself 2 lines above. Just it's Neos PMU that burns, not any power supply. (try) make sure your regulator doesn't increase voltage when Neo stops load (e.g. you shutdown). Best you place a 4V6 Zener to output of regulator Sep 29 20:38:04 andi: LiIon charging time isn't decreasing proportionally with increasing initial charge current. On higer currents you reach CV mode much earlier and that increases charge time tp 100%. So the results of "fast charge" aren't quite what you expect Sep 29 20:38:13 i have a wonderful power device that I former used for my Zaurus it creates 5V 1A from 3-to 15 V input. addig d diodes will decrease the output to round about 3.6 volts. this schould be enough Sep 29 20:38:27 s/d/2/ Sep 29 20:38:27 pwgen meant: i have a won2erful power device that I former used for my Zaurus it creates 5V 1A from 3-to 15 V input. addig d diodes will decrease the output to round about 3.6 volts. this schould be enough Sep 29 20:39:28 yes, only if you add that Zener Sep 29 20:40:18 1N4148 - > si diode ~0.7V Zener effect ... 2 i a row ~1.4 Sep 29 20:40:34 otherwise without load (1973 off) you will still feed >=5V to bat terminals. This may break the device Sep 29 20:41:05 pwgen: only on nominal current Sep 29 20:41:15 (zener effect) Sep 29 20:42:01 .. ok a small resistor for heating the device in this ( wet environemt ) will also an idea so i have a minimum current Sep 29 20:42:28 good idea Sep 29 20:43:42 50R 500mW Sep 29 20:45:45 . THX . 100mA by round about 64 Ah car battery .. 640 hours round about 3 weeks only for power supply ... ok we need a solar cell ... Sep 29 20:47:58 are there really still such switching regulators out there which are not idle safe? I always check that, but I have not found that problem yet Sep 29 20:48:47 andi: almost all switching regulators need a certain minimum load Sep 29 20:49:39 andi . the 2 1N4148 diode trick only work if there is a current bigger than 0 Sep 29 20:50:07 basically every circuit needs a certain minimum quiescent current Sep 29 20:51:09 but thats electrical engeenering Sep 29 20:51:30 as there is no such thing as infinite resistance in RL Sep 29 20:51:52 but there is almost always some quiescent current Sep 29 20:53:20 the voltage the 1N4148 take would decrease for very low currents Sep 29 20:54:36 that's the point Sep 29 20:54:56 right . and this will cause an increase of voltage to the terminal connectors . and if the gta switches on again it will be connected to to mouch voltage .. bad thing Sep 29 20:55:31 pwgen: if you change your mind wrt heating the power-supply, then replace the 50R by a 4V7 Zener Sep 29 20:56:17 pwerken: PMU is all time connected to bat terminals Sep 29 20:56:32 . that will move the heating to the constant power supplay and the 4.7 diode .. ( its a usual thing on sailboats to heat the electronic ) Sep 29 20:57:18 usually there is used and 2 watt resistor connected to the 12V on board net Sep 29 20:58:07 pwgen: it will reduce the current (thusheating) to the ammount needed to make a voltage drop of >0V3 over the two 4148 Sep 29 20:58:30 you will need ľA Sep 29 20:59:13 if it is about putting the 4148 to a reliable 5V supply Sep 29 20:59:22 jupp .. i have a mesurement device here and make some test tomorrow so guarnte not more than 4 V whitout the gta01 Sep 29 20:59:59 and your measurement device will probably draw enough power for that Sep 29 21:00:06 pwgen: and will work even if your nice powersupply freaks out and gives 7V spikes to output - which btw isn't as rage a situation as you might think Sep 29 21:00:07 or take a look at diagramm of the 1n4148 .. Sep 29 21:01:13 andi: right, DVM might suffice. But will a Neo which is powered down? Sep 29 21:03:02 bye Sep 29 21:03:04 there are at least 2 reports of car USB adapters frying FR while starting motor of car or otherwise introducing bursts/surges to primary side of adapter Sep 29 21:03:32 no this is note some crappy cigarette lighter plug .. and high precision DC-DC converter cosel zus 60505 ( 4.5 up to 9 V ) Sep 29 21:03:44 so I keep my recommendation to use a 4V7 Zener Sep 29 21:04:48 and a 100nF in parallel Sep 29 21:04:49 grmmf i am living in the electronic partsellers desert ... where to get an 4.7 w zener ... (:-)) Sep 29 21:05:09 Volts, not Watt Sep 29 21:06:03 shure ... volts ... i know ... but thats what i not have im my electronic spareparts/garbage box Sep 29 21:06:22 you should be able to get it where you also get the 1N4148 Sep 29 21:07:16 and if you don't find one... Well, you described above how to build a zener out of standard silizium diodes ;-L Sep 29 21:07:36 ;-) Sep 29 21:08:06 I hoped that well designed car converters which passed all that hard tests for car equipment would not do that. But there seems to be one more thing not to trust in Sep 29 21:08:26 yep Sep 29 21:09:13 .. i moved from aachen to aalborg .. in aachen were at least 4 dealers. here i found only the interenet ... try to buy one 4.7 zener via an webshop , and you need at least to buy some ohter stuff .. Sep 29 21:09:40 I have a board with a parallel regulator somewhere (so I have a kind of high-power zener diode) for power regulators I do not trust Sep 29 21:11:48 pwerken: use 6 pcs 4148 Sep 29 21:12:32 hmm, 4148 is only for 100mA Sep 29 21:13:18 hmm, that may be true. probably a 1N400x might be better siuted Sep 29 21:13:37 i will see tomorrow whats the best solution . ( i am 100% shure i will not put the le L-io cell in there ) Sep 29 21:14:24 jupp your right with the light on this will get a little bit war im there Sep 29 21:14:35 s/war/warm/ Sep 29 21:15:22 baruch: you're around Sep 29 21:15:24 ? Sep 29 21:15:57 hmm, need to get me some dinner Sep 29 21:16:06 bbl Sep 29 21:24:27 DocScrutinizer, I am here Sep 29 21:32:31 DocScrutinizer-8: just to summarize: On my bike I have a hub dynamo, a switching regulator after that, a microcontroller with usb interface which gives dynamo frequency, tacho timings, voltage and there is also some i2c stuff attached to it Sep 29 21:32:42 I'll make a web page for that Sep 29 21:33:06 which circuit diagram, drivers and so on Sep 29 21:33:14 when I find the time Sep 29 21:46:24 what's the easy way to create an ipk from autotools? (installing the whole oe stuff is not considered easy) Sep 29 21:53:00 has someone seen mickyl within the last days ? Sep 29 21:57:48 onen|openBmap, I can't find where to get your sqlite db, care to provide a link? Sep 29 22:59:46 ping mickey_away Sep 29 23:00:18 holyday Sep 29 23:00:34 aah, how long ? Sep 29 23:01:12 another week at least Sep 29 23:01:30 thx Sep 29 23:44:58 is there a jvm package somewhere? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 30 02:59:57 2009