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Oct 04 04:36:37 <FiXion> hi - could anyone who can play sounds (like ringing etc.) share their /etc/asound.state ?
Oct 04 04:37:00 <FiXion> I can talk to people but not play any .wav files (it plays but no sound is heard)
Oct 04 05:03:37 <blindcoder> FiXion: playing sound should be andled by the /usr/share/shr/scenarii/stereoout.state file
Oct 04 05:24:19 <FiXion> I tried loading that- no go.
Oct 04 05:24:30 <FiXion> my guess is I might have set one of the 94 alsa knobs wrongly
Oct 04 05:24:43 <FiXion> and I'm guessing the stereoout.state doesn't set them all
Oct 04 05:25:01 <FiXion> blindcoder: if you could share your asound.state (on pastie.org or something)
Oct 04 05:31:11 <blindcoder> FiXion: stereoout.state should set them all. I'm afraid I can't help you with the asound.state because I forgot my freerunner at the hotel today :(
Oct 04 05:31:15 <blindcoder> but... wait
Oct 04 05:32:30 <blindcoder> FiXion: you can get the default state files from git://git.shr-project.org/repo/shr-themes.git
Oct 04 05:32:57 <blindcoder> I'll be back in an hour, it's almost 1 pm here and I haven't had lunch yet :)
Oct 04 05:37:35 <FiXion> diff -bduNr /usr/share/shr/scenarii/stereoout.state /etc/asound.state
Oct 04 05:37:38 <FiXion> says  no differences :(
Oct 04 05:37:53 <FiXion> still no sound except in the earpiece
Oct 04 05:38:02 <FiXion> I miss my phone constantly because it doesn't ring
Oct 04 05:38:12 <FiXion> only vibrate
Oct 04 05:55:24 <tmzt> FiXion: and what does asndctl -f tmp save or whatever say
Oct 04 05:55:29 <tmzt> when you diff that
Oct 04 05:55:59 <tmzt> the file is only read at certain times so it's contents might nt matter
Oct 04 06:50:44 <mrmoku|a`> dos1: what did you do to the buildhost?
Oct 04 06:55:39 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ping, could you check (or let check ;) the buildhost please? No www and no ssh. trac and patchwork do work though.
Oct 04 06:55:46 * mrmoku shower
Oct 04 07:20:12 <raster> TAsn: know. both e.org are non-reachable. don't know why
Oct 04 07:21:52 <mrmoku> raster: damn internet... one is soo doomed if it does not work :(
Oct 04 07:27:37 <blindcoder> mrmoku: ack
Oct 04 07:33:58 <TAsn> mrmoku, I pushed all the changes :)
Oct 04 07:34:07 <TAsn> you are welcomed to verify everything works
Oct 04 07:34:15 <TAsn> and to merge your own
Oct 04 07:34:18 <TAsn> I can't build atm.
Oct 04 07:34:23 <TAsn> because of e svn
Oct 04 07:36:17 <mrmoku> TAsn: and I can't pull them :(
Oct 04 07:36:21 <mrmoku> our buildhost is down
Oct 04 07:36:26 <TAsn> hehe lol.
Oct 04 07:36:29 <TAsn> sucky internet.
Oct 04 07:36:37 <TAsn> well, this sucks ;)
Oct 04 07:36:42 <TAsn> anyhow, if you can
Oct 04 07:36:45 <TAsn> please do
Oct 04 07:36:47 <blindcoder> stop complaining or you'll be sent to bangladesh :)
Oct 04 07:36:51 <TAsn> I'll be back home in 9 hours
Oct 04 07:36:59 <TAsn> here we work on sundays.
Oct 04 07:37:02 <TAsn> cyao.
Oct 04 07:37:04 <mrmoku> TAsn: already wrote a message to Ainulindale to take a look when he's back from church ;)
Oct 04 07:37:16 <TAsn> okie ;)
Oct 04 07:37:16 <TAsn> thanks.
Oct 04 07:37:21 <mrmoku> have fun
Oct 04 07:37:44 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw
Oct 04 07:37:47 <TAsn> xorg image:
Oct 04 07:37:54 <TAsn> returning from suspend takes forever
Oct 04 07:38:05 <mrmoku> yup, resume is damn slow
Oct 04 07:38:19 <TAsn> and this sucky opimd doesn't show my new message
Oct 04 07:38:21 <TAsn> ffs .:|
Oct 04 07:38:47 <TAsn> ciao. :)
Oct 04 07:38:59 <mrmoku> TAsn: does not show in the messagelist even after opening manually?
Oct 04 08:07:32 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: ass! =)
Oct 04 08:09:06 <blindcoder> can someone whose shr plays a sound upon incoming message please paste me their rules.yaml? or at least the relevant part?
Oct 04 08:12:25 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: :)
Oct 04 08:12:46 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: any idea what's up? might just be DNS problems...
Oct 04 08:13:01 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: ssh gives me ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
Oct 04 08:13:11 <Ainulindale> mrmoku: here www & blog are working and not build
Oct 04 08:13:32 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: build.shr-project.org is not working (www)
Oct 04 08:13:43 <mrmoku> trac and patchwork do work
Oct 04 08:14:50 <Ainulindale> yeah I guess I know why
Oct 04 08:17:17 <mrmoku> dos1: ping
Oct 04 09:08:50 <TAsn2> please tell dos1 I experienced another opimd bug so he should contact me :)
Oct 04 09:10:11 <TAsn2> raster: who's in charge of python elementary? because I think (dos1 suggested) that you changed something in c-elementary that was not updated in python and that makes some app not to work (in hoversel IIRC)
Oct 04 09:10:16 <TAsn2> ciao
Oct 04 09:12:04 <raster> TAsn: ummmmm
Oct 04 09:12:07 <raster> ?
Oct 04 09:20:49 <sybren> playya_: pong
Oct 04 09:20:57 <playya_> hi sybren 
Oct 04 09:21:15 <playya_> can you apply the patch?
Oct 04 09:21:36 <sybren> if you promise to test it once I've applied it :)
Oct 04 09:24:24 <playya_> compile it and use: dbus-send --session --dest=org.navit_project.navit /org/navit_project/navit org.navit_project.navit.iter
Oct 04 09:24:56 <playya_> this should start navit
Oct 04 09:27:48 * sybren is building
Oct 04 09:33:27 <playya_> hmm. the shr git server seems to be down :(
Oct 04 09:37:29 <sybren> Navit generates a lot more PNGs nowadays than it used ti
Oct 04 09:40:34 <Gnutoo> isn't the whole shr server down?
Oct 04 09:40:38 <Gnutoo> not just git
Oct 04 09:40:42 <Gnutoo> like playya_ said
Oct 04 09:41:09 <playya_> trac works, patchwork too
Oct 04 09:46:05 <sybren> playya_: I can't get navit to compile & install properly, I get http://navit.pastebin.com/d4f3511da and that causes errors on install
Oct 04 09:46:53 <playya_> thats bad
Oct 04 09:47:11 <sybren> yeah
Oct 04 09:47:19 <playya_> but not related to my patch
Oct 04 09:47:32 <sybren> nope
Oct 04 09:47:40 <sybren> but it still means I can't test it
Oct 04 09:50:16 <baruch> playya_, if you are in the business of adding patches to navit in shr could you consider the one from ticket 451 on navit: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/451
Oct 04 09:53:38 <Gnutoo> yes but opkg doesn't work
Oct 04 09:57:03 <playya_> baruch, sybren has commit rights
Oct 04 09:57:23 <tg> hey
Oct 04 09:58:17 <dos1|neo> Ainulindale, mrmoku|away: can you connect to buildhost?
Oct 04 09:58:54 <tg> i just tried and i can't
Oct 04 09:59:00 <BluesLee> also
Oct 04 09:59:01 <tg> is there a mirror or something?
Oct 04 10:00:19 <baruch> in navit? or in shr?
Oct 04 10:01:23 <sybren> baruch: navit
Oct 04 10:02:33 <baruch> sybren, could you take a look at the ticket and see if you want to commit the patch?
Oct 04 10:02:45 <baruch> I got no response in the mailing list
Oct 04 10:03:13 <baruch> admittedly though, it's not the cleanest change that could be done there, it allocates more memory than strictly necessary
Oct 04 10:22:01 <DocScrutinizer> FiXion: /etc/alsa.state is nonsense
Oct 04 10:22:17 <DocScrutinizer> FiXion: should even be removed in current SHR-U
Oct 04 10:22:52 <DocScrutinizer> FiXion: It simply stores the state when shutting down system, and restores that state on boot. Which is BAAAAAD
Oct 04 10:23:18 <DocScrutinizer> FiXion: all statefile in scenario|ii
Oct 04 10:23:54 <DocScrutinizer> FiXion: actually set *all* controls. That's what the big problem with alsastatefiles
Oct 04 10:24:14 <sybren> baruch: ask me again when I have Navit compiling & installing properly again ;-)
Oct 04 10:24:30 <sybren> that may also give you some time to clean up the patch :P
Oct 04 10:26:14 <dos1|neo> tg, BluesLee: i mean connecting to ssh, http doesn't work too?
Oct 04 10:26:22 <tg> no
Oct 04 10:28:02 <tg> anyone can share the latest unstable images? i just wanted to install it;]
Oct 04 10:32:32 <BluesLee> dos1|neo: opkg, http didnt worked, ping was okay
Oct 04 11:03:30 <DocScrutinizer-8> mrmoku|away: heh, did new image eat the server now? ;-P
Oct 04 11:04:40 <DocScrutinizer-8> I knew it'll get devastating, but that's really too bad ;-)
Oct 04 11:04:47 <dos1|neo> he predicted that! ;D
Oct 04 11:05:09 <dos1|neo> Ainulindale: ping ping ping
Oct 04 11:05:16 <blindcoder> new image? :)
Oct 04 11:05:38 <dos1|neo> yup
Oct 04 11:05:50 <DocScrutinizer-8> blindcoder: the eats-your-cat-image
Oct 04 11:06:28 <dos1|neo> well, there were lots of new images recently
Oct 04 11:06:31 <dos1|neo> just not synced
Oct 04 11:06:56 <blindcoder> DocScrutinizer-8: luckily I don't have a cat :)
Oct 04 11:07:14 <DocScrutinizer-8> eats little children as well
Oct 04 11:07:23 <blindcoder> don't have children, either
Oct 04 11:07:37 <dos1|neo> mrmoku|away: hmm.. we have to fix themes and compiled e apps, and we can sync
Oct 04 11:07:40 <DocScrutinizer-8> at least that's what mrmoku|away designed it to do :-P
Oct 04 11:08:17 <blindcoder> I want to find out why I have no SMS tone anymore first
Oct 04 11:08:28 <DocScrutinizer-8> dos1|neo: you can't do nuttin on a dead box
Oct 04 11:11:06 <DocScrutinizer-8> blindcoder: kick dos1|neo to tell you about notifier ;-) and tone-playback
Oct 04 11:12:01 <DocScrutinizer-8> blindcoder: I buess you got opimd-utils and notifier popup?
Oct 04 11:12:14 <blindcoder> DocScrutinizer-8: I guess I'll just replace "MessageTone(play)" with "Command('aplay /path/to/file')" :P
Oct 04 11:12:15 <DocScrutinizer-8> guess
Oct 04 11:12:17 <blindcoder> DocScrutinizer-8: jupp
Oct 04 11:12:46 <blindcoder> DocScrutinizer-8: I get only opimd-notifier because I disable ordinary notifier
Oct 04 11:12:52 <DocScrutinizer-8> that's just about what I think it's all about
Oct 04 11:13:02 <DocScrutinizer-8> same here
Oct 04 11:13:18 <ChristW> Any E-engineers here?
Oct 04 11:13:25 <blindcoder> the sound used to be played until some while ago
Oct 04 11:13:32 <DocScrutinizer-8> I know we need a patch to some fso-d to fix that
Oct 04 11:13:50 <ChristW> I've taken apart my iMac and I _think_ I've found some vented caps. Could someone comment?
Oct 04 11:14:37 <DocScrutinizer-8> ChristW: wazzup?
Oct 04 11:14:46 <DocScrutinizer-8> comment?
Oct 04 11:14:59 <DocScrutinizer-8> don't eat those caps! ;-P
Oct 04 11:15:02 <tmzt> oh, not enlightenment
Oct 04 11:15:04 <ChristW> I'll try to upload pictures somewhere...
Oct 04 11:15:40 <DocScrutinizer-8> nah, seen plenty. no pics pls
Oct 04 11:16:25 <DocScrutinizer-8> what kinda comment do you need?
Oct 04 11:16:39 <ChristW> Are they vented or not was the question.
Oct 04 11:16:41 <ChristW> http://dna.ik.nu/dsc02047.jpg
Oct 04 11:16:44 <ChristW> http://dna.ik.nu/dsc02048.jpg
Oct 04 11:16:48 <ChristW> http://dna.ik.nu/dsc02049.jpg
Oct 04 11:16:50 <DocScrutinizer-8> k
Oct 04 11:17:00 <ChristW> http://dna.ik.nu/dsc02050.jpg
Oct 04 11:17:51 <ChristW> I'm having a bit of a conflict with Apple. They tell me I'm out of luck because the computer is over 3 years old, and i'm trying to tell them that if these caps have vented, that's their problem even after 3+ years.
Oct 04 11:17:54 <ChristW> brb...
Oct 04 11:18:46 <DocScrutinizer-8> ChristW: prolly they are right
Oct 04 11:19:14 <DocScrutinizer-8> the pics are toooo laaaarge for N810 ;-/
Oct 04 11:19:26 <Ainulindale> dos1|neo: I'm on it 
Oct 04 11:19:37 <DocScrutinizer-8> anyway first pic looks no special issue
Oct 04 11:19:50 <DocScrutinizer-8> wowowowowow
Oct 04 11:24:16 <DocScrutinizer> ChristW: the 2 "mercedes"Caps are clearly vented. The "K"-shaped are ok afaict
Oct 04 11:27:07 <DocScrutinizer> ChristW: Dunno what's your waranty plan with that box. But usually after 3+ years you're clearly out of luck if you try to force the duty on them. If you politely ask about what can be done, they might decide to do it out of goodwill
Oct 04 11:28:13 <DocScrutinizer> but probably the easiest way to go is to get some spare caps (fitting type! probably low ESR etc.) and replace
Oct 04 11:29:38 <DocScrutinizer> shouldn't be too expensive even when done by your apple-dealers repair service
Oct 04 11:37:39 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i wonder how the hell even major vendors (like apple) manage to use defective caps on their devices.
Oct 04 11:38:39 <DocScrutinizer> always hapens all the time. There's simply no good way to *guarantee* a cap's properties stay stable over time, at cap manufs side
Oct 04 11:39:49 <DocScrutinizer> you remember a few years ago all the major mainboard manufs had issues with caps as they all source same components ;-)
Oct 04 11:40:02 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: same as with LiIon bats basically
Oct 04 11:40:35 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: ok, i see. BTW, is it tricky to change those oneself? I desoldred some caps from a MB with fried chipset and somehow it didn't seem to me it's easy to not damage anything during it :-/ 
Oct 04 11:41:45 <baruch> First cut at gypsy providing gsm location service seems to work
Oct 04 11:41:59 <baruch> s/^/WooHoo! /
Oct 04 11:42:03 <DocScrutinizer-8> hmm, soldering is an art in itself. and removing coaxial wired components isn't exactly easy
Oct 04 11:43:14 <playya_> baruch, do you use navit?
Oct 04 11:43:42 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: but should be feasible usually
Oct 04 11:43:45 <ChristW> The box went to Apple for repair (instability/no boot issues). They said: Logic board need replacement -> 795 eur (about $1100).
Oct 04 11:44:00 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: ok. I just was a bit too afraid by a tight fit probably.
Oct 04 11:44:14 <dos1> blindcoder: ping
Oct 04 11:44:15 <ChristW> That's a bit steep for a 3-year old box. A new one is only a couple 100 EUR more.
Oct 04 11:44:25 <dos1> blindcoder: so you're using SQLite-Messages and opimd?
Oct 04 11:44:25 <PaulFertser> ChristW: oh fuck those stupid fuckers :(
Oct 04 11:44:37 <dos1> blindcoder: if yes, then you have to patch oeventsd to use opimd signal to play message tone
Oct 04 11:44:41 <ChristW> DocScrutinizer-8: Thanks for looking at them, I thought they vented.
Oct 04 11:44:51 <DocScrutinizer-8> ChristW: so find a repair shop to replace tose caps
Oct 04 11:45:02 <ChristW> So I told them to go f*ck themselves and send me back the box, and that I'd open it and look for these conditions.
Oct 04 11:45:03 <blindcoder> dos1: yes, I do
Oct 04 11:45:17 <dos1> blindcoder: so why didn't you patch oeventsd? ;p
Oct 04 11:45:25 <blindcoder> dos1: because I didn't know I had to
Oct 04 11:45:30 <dos1> i described it a lot of times, both on maillist and on wiki
Oct 04 11:45:37 <ChristW> So, I'll go back to them and told them they used bad caps. Perhaps they'll replace the board,or give me a rebat eon a new one.
Oct 04 11:45:44 <dos1> everytime i described how to use opimd ;p
Oct 04 11:45:49 <blindcoder> dos1: yeah, well, I installed opimd-utils and that's it :P
Oct 04 11:46:12 <dos1> blindcoder: well, you shouldn't install it when you don't know what does it do
Oct 04 11:46:15 <PaulFertser> ChristW: i don't think warranty covers "inherently bad" parts. They were good enough to serve you for 3 years, so they don't owe you anything i'm afraid.
Oct 04 11:46:16 <dos1> blindcoder: but: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/opimd/oeventsd/
Oct 04 11:46:24 <ChristW> Thanks for the advice so far, I'll let you know what happens when I send the pics to the store manager and tell them there's a problem.
Oct 04 11:46:41 <playya_> baruch, i created some batches for navit. could you test them? http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/project/SHR/list/
Oct 04 11:46:50 <ChristW> PaulFertser: The standard warranty is only 1 year. Extended is 3 years/
Oct 04 11:47:05 <PaulFertser> ChristW: yes, but your device is >3 years already, isn't it?
Oct 04 11:47:12 <Tanuva> moin
Oct 04 11:47:20 <DocScrutinizer-8> moinmoin
Oct 04 11:47:22 <ChristW> PaulFertser: Yes, but AFAIK these venting problems only occur after some time?
Oct 04 11:47:30 <blindcoder> dos1: wouldn't the sensible thing be to have it listen on both signals?
Oct 04 11:47:36 <PaulFertser> ChristW: yes, but so what?
Oct 04 11:47:47 <dos1> blindcoder: yup, but oeventsd isn't smart enough ;P
Oct 04 11:48:36 <ChristW> PaulFertser: So if this is a 'manufacturing error', and it only shows after this time, is it still a warranty issue?
Oct 04 11:48:52 <ChristW> I mean: Could I've seen it earlier than now?
Oct 04 11:48:58 <PaulFertser> ChristW: if the warranty time is over, then, i guess, it's not.
Oct 04 11:49:00 <blindcoder> dos1: I see. so if I use _both_ notifiers opimd will send the signal but normal notifier won't?
Oct 04 11:49:17 <ChristW> I'll see what the store says... Thanks, I'll let you know!
Oct 04 11:49:22 <dos1> blindcoder: oh well, no, listening to both signals isn't good
Oct 04 11:49:25 <dos1> blindcoder: sorry
Oct 04 11:49:28 <DocScrutinizer-8> ChristW: find an ironman to replace those 2 caps (plus maybe further ones not that obviously broken) and pay him for the job
Oct 04 11:49:34 <dos1> blindcoder: there are two signals from ogsmd, and one from opimd
Oct 04 11:49:44 <dos1> blindcoder: from ogsmd IncomingMessage and IncomingStoredMessage
Oct 04 11:49:57 <pm> hi. i can't reach "http://build.shr-project.org/". Anyone knows why?
Oct 04 11:49:59 <ChristW> DocScrutinizer-8: I will, and I'll try to get it together again :-)
Oct 04 11:49:59 <dos1> blindcoder: both are also followed by IncomingMessage in opimd
Oct 04 11:50:15 <dos1> blindcoder: when you're not using opimd, ogsmd sends IncomingStoredMessage
Oct 04 11:50:19 <dos1> blindcoder: as it's stored on SIM
Oct 04 11:50:31 <pm> Connecting to build.shr-project.org|78.40.125.6|:80... connected.
Oct 04 11:50:31 <pm> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection reset by peer) in headers.
Oct 04 11:50:49 <dos1> blindcoder: but when using opimd and SQLite-Messages, sms aren't buffered by SIM
Oct 04 11:50:57 <dos1> blindcoder: so ogsmd sends IncomingMessage signal
Oct 04 11:51:20 <blindcoder> dos1: okay, I think I understand
Oct 04 11:51:21 <dos1> blindcoder: but oeventsd by default listens just to ogsmd.IncomingStoredMessage
Oct 04 11:52:17 * blindcoder never thought a protocol-byproduct could be so difficult to handle :P
Oct 04 11:52:43 <dos1> blindcoder: the solution is just to listen to opimd signal
Oct 04 11:53:03 <blindcoder> dos1: yes, I patched the file now and am waiting for init 6 to finish
Oct 04 11:53:06 <dos1> blindcoder: it'll work always (of course except having opimd disabled at all in frameworkd.conf)
Oct 04 11:53:28 <baruch> playya_, I use it rarely
Oct 04 11:53:28 <dos1> blindcoder: it's not default yet as default FSO config has opimd disabled
Oct 04 11:53:39 <dos1> but SHR is about to move completely to opimd interface
Oct 04 11:53:48 <pm> can anyone please try "wget build.shr-project.org"
Oct 04 11:53:52 <dos1> so we'll provide frameworkd with that patch included
Oct 04 11:54:06 <Tanuva> pm: I got the same problem since today morning
Oct 04 11:54:07 <blindcoder> dos1: great :)
Oct 04 11:54:21 <blindcoder> dos1: btw, are there any 'special' fieldnames to use?
Oct 04 11:54:43 <blindcoder> dos1: I've seen that opimd-contacts seems to treat 'Surname' somewhat special after I synced with PISI once
Oct 04 11:54:46 <pm> ok. is the problem known to the administrator?
Oct 04 11:54:59 <dos1> Name, Surname, Nickname, Phone, E-mail
Oct 04 11:55:09 <DocScrutinizer-8> [13:19] <Ainulindale> dos1|neo: I'm on it 
Oct 04 11:55:11 <Tanuva> pm: no idea, came here to ask about it, too
Oct 04 11:55:13 <dos1> and type fields: "Office phone", "Office e-mail" (s/office/whatever/)
Oct 04 11:55:29 <baruch> playya_, I don't have a way to build a package here of navit, I don't use the oe tree method, I use the toolchain
Oct 04 11:55:32 <DocScrutinizer-8> Tanuva: ^
Oct 04 11:55:33 <dos1> pm: buildhost has some problems, it's already known
Oct 04 11:55:43 <playya_> baruch, ah. ok
Oct 04 11:55:44 <baruch> If you have a package I can try it a bit
Oct 04 11:55:44 <blindcoder> dos1: okay, thanks :)
Oct 04 11:55:57 <pm> ok. i'll try it again later then. thank you
Oct 04 11:55:57 <Ainulindale> dos1: sadly no sysadm is available :-/
Oct 04 11:56:00 <Ainulindale> (it's sunday)
Oct 04 11:56:04 <Ainulindale> the whole VM is down
Oct 04 11:56:07 <Ainulindale> So it's the same for h:1
Oct 04 11:56:50 <Tanuva> so we've to wait till tomorrow
Oct 04 11:56:57 <pm> ok. thank you. cu
Oct 04 11:57:13 <dos1> shr server is down... so i have to possibilities: search for some new songs for Frets on Fire and play, or learn to school
Oct 04 11:57:18 <dos1> i think i'll choose the first one :D
Oct 04 11:57:25 <Tanuva> dos1: that's easy :D
Oct 04 11:57:41 <playya_> anyone wants do port frets on fire FR
Oct 04 11:57:44 <playya_> ?
Oct 04 11:58:16 <Tanuva> playya_: such game would be awsum, but tricky regarding graphics performance and timing I guess
Oct 04 11:59:07 <Tanuva> more than 3 or 4 "lines" are impossible
Oct 04 11:59:18 <Tanuva> while 4 is maximum, 3 with large fingers
Oct 04 11:59:45 <Tanuva> maybe landscape mode, but then screen depth (forthcoming notes) might become a problem...
Oct 04 12:03:11 <dos1> i wanted to do something like iPhone version of GH for FR
Oct 04 12:03:36 <dos1> but multitouch would be really nice to have with such game...
Oct 04 12:06:21 <Tanuva> yep, multitouch is impossible
Oct 04 12:06:30 <thrashold> Hm, I know it's a bit late for the question, but when gta01 was to be released, the wiki said that it might turn out to be possible for the TS to support multitouch. How did that turn out?  Is it possible to have multitouch or at least emulate it?
Oct 04 12:06:36 <Tanuva> would be a rather simple game, maybe we have to try to find out if its fun :)
Oct 04 12:06:56 <DocScrutinizer-8> dos1: we might achieve to get 2-point mt on that resistive tp. Would need some rather extensive tweaks on ts driver though (of the result would be usable at all. Alas EE missed to implement a 4 R improvement)
Oct 04 12:11:07 <DocScrutinizer-8> I had some plans to completely change the r-ts operation to a dynamic pulse-response analysis (like done on some graphics tablets), but there was few help from kernel hackers to "overclock" the ts-AD converters. And probably it wouldn't lead anywhere in the end
Oct 04 12:13:56 <DocScrutinizer-8> maybe some of the network hackers know the cat5 cable analyzers that can tell any bend or break in a cable by simply probing one end. The idea for pulse-response probing the ts was basically identical
Oct 04 12:22:04 <DocScrutinizer-8> the more classic method to do 2-touch with a R-ts is to probe the resistance change of one plane that's caused by 2 touchpoints "shorting" a part of the planes length. But FR and 1973 can't do that R-probing, due to hw limitations (no series-R to plane to probe the current and thus R of plane). This boils down to: we missed to add 4pcs R for 0.1ct each :-/
Oct 04 12:23:41 <tmzt> how many planes does a touchscreen have?
Oct 04 12:23:58 <DocScrutinizer-8> two of course. X and Y
Oct 04 12:24:15 <tmzt> what are they? just conductive plastic?
Oct 04 12:24:23 <DocScrutinizer-8> yep
Oct 04 12:24:50 <DocScrutinizer-8> basically just transparent conductive plastic
Oct 04 12:25:00 <tmzt> so it didn't need anything more than adc
Oct 04 12:25:07 <tmzt> and those discrete components
Oct 04 12:25:23 <zoff99> anybody know what happend to shr build server??
Oct 04 12:25:34 <zoff99> cant browse or download any packages :-( !!!!!!
Oct 04 12:25:47 <mrmoku|a`> zoff99: server outage
Oct 04 12:26:07 <zoff99> but the server is reachable and ping-able
Oct 04 12:26:33 <zoff99> do we know when it will be up again?
Oct 04 12:28:14 <Zorkman> muslims bombed it!!
Oct 04 12:28:19 <Zorkman> aaargh
Oct 04 12:28:23 <Zorkman> we're all gonna die!!!
Oct 04 12:28:48 <zoff99> seriously , doya know when it will work again
Oct 04 12:29:05 <Tanuva> Ainulindale said tomorrow since tehre are no admins today ;)
Oct 04 12:30:43 <zoff99> great :-( the one day i wanna do something
Oct 04 12:30:50 <zoff99> isnt there a mirror?
Oct 04 12:31:46 <zoff99> good lord, like living in the stoneage
Oct 04 12:31:50 <Ainulindale> I didn't say tomorrow
Oct 04 12:31:58 <Ainulindale> I said I was looking for one
Oct 04 12:32:28 <zoff99> looking for a mirror?
Oct 04 12:32:37 <mrmoku> a sysadm
Oct 04 12:32:43 <zoff99> oh ok :)
Oct 04 12:32:52 <zoff99> well mirror i could provide :-) sysadmin not
Oct 04 12:32:59 <mrmoku> for a mirror it would be a bit late now :)
Oct 04 12:34:06 <mrmoku> Ainulindale: give them some telephone terror on secret private numbers... I'm sure they will appreciate that ;)
Oct 04 12:36:12 <zoff99> did you consider a mirror in the future?
Oct 04 12:36:41 <DocScrutinizer-8> I could mirror most basic stuff on people.om.org
Oct 04 12:36:59 <zoff99> or move to sourceforge or something like that
Oct 04 12:39:46 <DocScrutinizer-8> mrmoku: ^ ??
Oct 04 12:40:15 <mrmoku> no idea about that...
Oct 04 12:40:27 <mrmoku> sure mirroring would be a good thing to have
Oct 04 12:40:41 <mrmoku> no idea though what would be needed and involved
Oct 04 12:40:44 <zoff99> also i meant only mirror the repos , so that people can still upgrade or download
Oct 04 12:40:53 <zoff99> i wasnt talking about the wiki
Oct 04 12:41:22 <mrmoku> but it makes only sense when it is automatic
Oct 04 12:41:28 <mrmoku> aka no need to change opkg config
Oct 04 12:41:28 <zoff99> for the repos i could offer "my" server. no garantees tough :)
Oct 04 12:41:48 <zoff99> well then you would need it like sourceforge
Oct 04 12:41:57 <DocScrutinizer-8> mrmoku: ok, that's a bit beyond what I can do right now
Oct 04 12:42:32 <zoff99> or google-code or whatever thats called
Oct 04 12:44:55 <zoff99> since the source is open, you can put it anywhere. no point in anybody "stealing" some code
Oct 04 12:45:02 <DocScrutinizer-8> mrmoku: I thought more of uploading the image to my folder or sth like that
Oct 04 12:45:40 <zoff99> Docscrutinizer: what do you mean? sth?
Oct 04 12:46:17 <tmzt> something
Oct 04 12:47:59 <DocScrutinizer-8> zoff99: we for sure don't worry about someone stealing code ;-)
Oct 04 12:48:27 <zoff99> yep
Oct 04 12:48:47 <zoff99> then will you mirror the repos, or are there plans to put it on sourceforge or similar?
Oct 04 12:51:01 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r272f142b983c 10/ (36 files in 6 dirs): all: add missing async annotations, please do no longer add anything without the async annotation
Oct 04 12:51:04 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r7d886097488c 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add org.freesmartphone.GSM.html
Oct 04 12:51:23 <playya_> hi mickey|vacation 
Oct 04 12:51:26 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * rcb1946cd9666 10/src/ (4 files): regen
Oct 04 12:51:38 <mickey|vacation> hi playya_ 
Oct 04 12:51:47 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4a42f8230f9b 10/libfsoresource/ (18 files in 3 dirs): 
Oct 04 12:51:47 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: libfsoresource: add new library to ease implementing DBus servers
Oct 04 12:51:47 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: with Resource objects that comply to the FSO resource system
Oct 04 12:51:50 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8de0e316d63a 10/libfsoresource/fsoresource/dbusresource.vala: libfsoresource: make it an abstract class
Oct 04 12:51:50 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8def2dae3824 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/transport.vala: libfostransport: remove bogus ending }
Oct 04 12:51:53 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0684cd297657 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala: fsousaged: catch up with async API and outcomment problematic code
Oct 04 12:51:56 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rcc71443841a2 10/fsousaged/src/plugins/controller/resource.vala: fsousaged: secure against race condition (see code comment for more info)
Oct 04 12:51:59 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1cbc40e726c4 10/fsogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: integrate in the resource system; depends on libfsoresource now
Oct 04 12:52:04 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rde37403ce167 10/libfsoresource/ (fsoresource/dbusresource.vala tests/testresource.vala): libfsoresource: async interface
Oct 04 12:52:07 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r19e714f3fb31 10/Makefile: add libfsoresource to Makefile
Oct 04 12:52:23 <playya_> pkgconfig adds /usr/lib/pkgconfig to the searchdir :(
Oct 04 12:52:50 <playya_> and you cannot add a single file to PKG_CONFIG_PATH
Oct 04 12:55:54 <dos1> mickey|vacation: hey
Oct 04 12:56:09 <dos1> mickey|vacation: did you saw my problems with fsousaged?
Oct 04 12:56:25 <dos1> GSM resource gets "suspended" state after resume
Oct 04 12:57:47 <DocScrutinizer-8> mickey|vacation: hey. enjoy your last day?
Oct 04 13:02:37 <mickey|vacation> DocScrutinizer-8: yeah, pity it's over tomorrow
Oct 04 13:03:31 <mickey|vacation> dos1: never heard about that, sure that fsousaged triggered the actual suspend?
Oct 04 13:03:43 <mickey|vacation> otherwise the code path that resumes the resources will never get triggered
Oct 04 13:04:10 <dos1> mickey|vacation: of course, there is log for resuming
Oct 04 13:04:18 <dos1> mickey|vacation: wait a moment, i'll find it in log
Oct 04 13:06:53 <dos1> <dos1> gsm is broken after suspend
Oct 04 13:06:55 <dos1> <dos1> and i can't suspend again
Oct 04 13:06:56 <dos1> <dos1> resource history in logs:
Oct 04 13:06:58 <dos1> <dos1> enabled -> suspending
Oct 04 13:06:59 <dos1> <dos1> suspending -> resuming
Oct 04 13:07:01 <dos1> <dos1> resuming -> enabled
Oct 04 13:07:02 <dos1> <dos1> enabled -> suspended
Oct 04 13:07:04 <dos1> <dos1> that's first suspend/resume
Oct 04 13:07:05 <dos1> <dos1> next
Oct 04 13:07:07 <dos1> <dos1> suspended -> suspending
Oct 04 13:07:08 <dos1> <dos1> suspending -> resuming
Oct 04 13:07:10 <dos1> <dos1> resuming -> enabled
Oct 04 13:07:11 <dos1> <dos1> enabled -> suspended
Oct 04 13:07:13 <dos1> mickey|vacation: ^^^
Oct 04 13:07:28 <mickey|vacation> could be the gsm kernel bug
Oct 04 13:07:36 <mickey|vacation> seems it can't suspend gsm
Oct 04 13:07:56 <dos1> from user point of view - first suspend works
Oct 04 13:07:58 <mickey|vacation> suspending -> resuming is an illegal transition
Oct 04 13:07:58 <PaulFertser> mickey|vacation: it's not a bug. Sometimes the kernel should avoid suspend just because the modem raises irq
Oct 04 13:08:04 <PaulFertser> mickey|vacation: pretty legit
Oct 04 13:08:19 <dos1> second doesn't work, message is displayed in console and system is resumed
Oct 04 13:08:32 <mickey|vacation> PaulFertser: that's news to me, so modules these days can veto a suspend? and why does dmesg print an error in that caes?
Oct 04 13:09:22 * DocScrutinizer-8 *grin*
Oct 04 13:09:43 <PaulFertser> mickey|vacation: to warn users that suspend is impossible and why. But you can see the usecase: you flowcontrol the modem but before turning off it happens to raise irq because a message comes or a call. So the kernel just refuses to suspend and resumes the devices it already stopped by that time.
Oct 04 13:10:16 <mickey|vacation> interesting
Oct 04 13:10:34 <mickey|vacation> how can userland recognize this?
Oct 04 13:10:45 <DocScrutinizer-8> and kernel forgets to set cpufreq to full speed on that occasion?
Oct 04 13:11:37 <PaulFertser> mickey|vacation: i don't think it's related anyway, you write mem to /sys/power/state to initiate suspend. Whatever happens, you continue on the next line of you program, so it shouldn't be different to a normal resume, should it?
Oct 04 13:12:23 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: I don't think cpufreq is integrated. And i don't think kernel touches clocks during suspend. I might be wrong though.
Oct 04 13:13:11 <DocScrutinizer-8> anyway my system with a speed like geotectonic continent move was quite amazing
Oct 04 13:13:22 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: so yes, i see how it can possibly happen: on normal resume Qi restores some clock that was altered by some device's suspend function. And in that "abnormal" resume Qi is not run and device's resume function doesn't restore the clock.
Oct 04 13:13:49 <DocScrutinizer-8> heh :-DD
Oct 04 13:14:22 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: but it's all work for other layers actually because clock control is pretty much abstracted these days. It happens automatically.
Oct 04 13:14:29 <DocScrutinizer-8> now s/qi/uboot/ and there we go
Oct 04 13:15:32 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: it's damn easy to reproduce "gsm drivers vetoes suspend"
Oct 04 13:16:25 <mickey|vacation> PaulFertser: for userland it might make a big difference
Oct 04 13:16:25 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: just echo 1 > flowcontrolled and either call or just wait for any event (like signal strength change) so interrupt counter increases. Then echo mem > /sys/power/state.
Oct 04 13:16:36 <mickey|vacation> PaulFertser: i.e. to know whether we should attempt another try to suspend or not
Oct 04 13:16:51 <mickey|vacation> the concept of drivers being able to veto a suspend is completely new to me
Oct 04 13:17:00 <mickey|vacation> that kills s'ome assumptions
Oct 04 13:17:07 <mickey|vacation> and we need to take that into account
Oct 04 13:17:17 <mickey|vacation> so i'd rather like to detect this 100%
Oct 04 13:17:21 <PaulFertser> mickey|vacation: i'm sorry i didn't introduce them. Just wanted to let you know ;)
Oct 04 13:17:22 <mickey|vacation> will inspecting resume_reason help? 
Oct 04 13:17:37 <mickey|vacation> sure
Oct 04 13:17:41 <mickey|vacation> no pun here
Oct 04 13:17:45 <mickey|vacation> just sheer horror :)
Oct 04 13:17:49 <PaulFertser> mickey|vacation: i'm afraid no and yes, something should be done about it, i agree :(
Oct 04 13:18:02 <andi> doesnt the write to /sys/pow/state give an error, if suspend fails?
Oct 04 13:18:04 <DocScrutinizer-8> I highly doubt there's any good reason in that scheme anyway
Oct 04 13:18:22 <PaulFertser> andi: i guess it should, but i haven't checked
Oct 04 13:18:43 <PaulFertser> Let me try
Oct 04 13:20:06 <PaulFertser> andi: it does indeed
Oct 04 13:20:09 <PaulFertser> mickey|vacation: -bash: echo: write error: Device or resource busy
Oct 04 13:20:29 <PaulFertser> [55367.520000] pm_op(): platform_pm_suspend+0x0/0x54 returns -16
Oct 04 13:20:29 <PaulFertser> [55367.520000] PM: Device neo1973-pm-gsm.0 failed to suspend: error -16
Oct 04 13:20:29 <PaulFertser> [55367.520000] PM: Some devices failed to suspend
Oct 04 13:21:16 <mickey|vacation> good, at least that
Oct 04 13:21:33 <mickey|vacation> so we can retry suspend once that happens
Oct 04 13:21:48 <DocScrutinizer-8> we discussed all that quite some time ago, found we get race conditions no matter which approach we take, and concluded only sane way is to clearly distinguish between IRQ lines (which might get disabled) and wake-lines which shall take effect only after cpu actually entered suspend state (or even very same moment that suspend transition happens)
Oct 04 13:22:01 <PaulFertser> mickey|vacation: only after modem interrupt is processed and that won't happen until you release flowcontrol.
Oct 04 13:22:28 <TAsn-moko> mrmoku: is the build host ok now?
Oct 04 13:22:36 <mickey|vacation> PaulFertser: which will happen as we go through the full resume cycle 
Oct 04 13:22:47 <mickey|vacation> PaulFertser: and only after that launch the next attepmt
Oct 04 13:24:27 <dos1> mickey|vacation: but... my problem is happening always
Oct 04 13:24:55 <dos1> mickey|vacation: on every boot, first suspend works, second fails; and after that first suspend transistion from enabled to suspended happens
Oct 04 13:25:22 <mickey|vacation> dos1: sounds like a new bug, since when did that happen?
Oct 04 13:25:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> well, have fun on that one. Maybe one day we reach a state where all the patches and concepts and flaws neutralize each other, just like with batcharge and usb-maxcurrent, so we maybe get a device without races
Oct 04 13:26:00 <dos1> mickey|vacation: since about week
Oct 04 13:26:07 <marcmoe> as 'xset s off' does not work, i want to ask if there is a better way to disable autoblanking in om-2009
Oct 04 13:26:08 <dos1> s/since/for/
Oct 04 13:26:09 <apt> dos1 meant: mickey|vacation: for about week
Oct 04 13:26:26 <mickey|vacation> marcmoe: request the Display resource
Oct 04 13:26:39 <marcmoe> thx
Oct 04 13:26:43 <mickey|vacation> marcmoe: e.g. via mdbus
Oct 04 13:26:50 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: if SoC is tuned to wakeup on level, there's no possibility for a harmful race here.
Oct 04 13:27:33 <dos1> mickey|vacation: i just didn't have time to look at it before
Oct 04 13:28:17 <mickey|vacation> hmm
Oct 04 13:28:29 <mickey|vacation> i don't remember any changes to fsousaged since yesterday
Oct 04 13:28:33 <mickey|vacation> (since i left)
Oct 04 13:28:34 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: ack, if only we disable IRQ some point during suspend, and assume the device acts like suspended then (i.e. doesn't react on any wake reasons or IRQ until suspend completed)
Oct 04 13:32:24 <DocScrutinizer-8> explicitly to me there is no apparent use in prematurely aborting a suspend action, as we can (we even must) handle all interrupts after resume - which should happen immediately after successfull completion of suspend action
Oct 04 13:34:22 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: yes, reasonable, but otoh if we can avoid suspending to notify a user about a call 1 second earlier, why not?
Oct 04 13:35:03 <DocScrutinizer-8> because that's introducing races of all kinds
Oct 04 13:37:30 <mickey|vacation> dos1: I can take a look into that when i'm back
Oct 04 13:37:36 <dos1> ok, thanks
Oct 04 13:37:49 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: i am not convinced yet. Even if some device doesn't properly resume on it's own and requires intervention of a bootloader, it's a bug to be fixed.
Oct 04 13:39:57 <DocScrutinizer-8> we discussed all that months ago, I'm not very eager to do all that once again. My conclusion is posted, and a experessed my best wishes for your meddling with the whole issue
Oct 04 13:40:56 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: ok, np
Oct 04 13:41:44 <DocScrutinizer-8> one more remark: it's utterly nonsense to abort a suspend action to save 1 (or 2) sec on a case rarely happening and almost impossible to test for correct lock nesting to avoid races
Oct 04 13:42:24 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: otoh it will expose bugs to fix
Oct 04 13:43:17 <DocScrutinizer-8> oh waaa, bugs that were introduced by the senseless premature abort *only*
Oct 04 13:49:24 <mickey|vacation> hmm
Oct 04 13:49:27 <mickey|vacation> grr
Oct 04 13:49:37 <mickey|vacation> (process:14979): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: Fatal error - Could not reload previously loaded plugin '(unknown)'
Oct 04 13:49:41 <mickey|vacation> wtf.
Oct 04 13:49:59 <mickey|vacation> don't say i can't unload a gtype
Oct 04 13:50:06 <Ainulindale> Hey mickey|vacation o/
Oct 04 13:50:38 <mickey|vacation> yo Ainulindale !
Oct 04 13:50:43 <Ainulindale> dos1: seems to be the raid
Oct 04 13:50:44 <mickey|vacation> how's your release coming?
Oct 04 13:50:49 <Ainulindale> Seems there's a defective device
Oct 04 13:50:53 <Ainulindale> mickey|vacation: well rc1 tomorrow
Oct 04 13:50:59 <Ainulindale> (yeah we're late)
Oct 04 13:51:18 <dos1> rc1?
Oct 04 13:51:42 <Ainulindale> If I'm not mistaken mickey|vacation was talking about h:1 :-)
Oct 04 13:51:48 <mickey|vacation> yep
Oct 04 13:52:04 <Ainulindale> I'm with khorben now we were talking for shaastra together
Oct 04 13:52:17 <Ainulindale> Because there was a slot free as some guy went in vacations 
Oct 04 13:52:41 <Ainulindale> dos1: best case scenario it's up again monday
Oct 04 13:52:52 <Ainulindale> We have to physically go to the datacenter it seems
Oct 04 13:53:06 <Ainulindale> We'll try nonetheless to reboot it
Oct 04 14:02:42 <tg> hey
Oct 04 14:13:57 <Zorkman> hi onen|openBmap!
Oct 04 14:15:19 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: hey wassup ;-)
Oct 04 14:15:35 <Zorkman> practicing my german in #neo1973-german as it seems :)
Oct 04 14:15:57 <Zorkman> have been able to do some logging this weekend (not much time lately :( )
Oct 04 14:17:13 <Zorkman> onen|openBmap: planning to do another opencellid integration into the database (after the dbus stuff) ?
Oct 04 14:19:23 <onen|openBmap> Zorkman: Nick takes care of this. I think he has little time to work on obm in general at th emoment. busy private life. I have to idea. but as ch has been integrated to, I think it would make a nice update :-)
Oct 04 14:19:57 <lindi-> hmm, should find time to look at openbmap
Oct 04 14:28:44 <onen|openBmap> lindi-: hi :-) don't you have a bunch of logs from your own logging script ? ;-)
Oct 04 14:37:19 <lindi-> onen|openBmap: it wasn't completed in time
Oct 04 15:03:13 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, hey, i was there :D
Oct 04 15:11:34 <TAsn> mrmoku, did you fix efl2
Oct 04 15:11:57 <TAsn> dos1, mind rebuilding all the shr suite? phonegui, efl1 efl2 shr-* and ophonekitd?
Oct 04 15:11:58 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 15:12:06 <TAsn> I can't really build here because of e svn.
Oct 04 15:12:25 <mrmoku> TAsn: in case you did not get it yet... buildhost is down 
Oct 04 15:12:34 <TAsn> still? :(
Oct 04 15:12:36 <mrmoku> and probably won't be up before tomorrow
Oct 04 15:12:41 <TAsn> omg :(
Oct 04 15:12:50 <mrmoku> TAsn: but I added an index to the contactlist :)
Oct 04 15:12:56 <TAsn> OMG :)
Oct 04 15:13:14 <TAsn> mrmoku, mind building everything locally and sending me? (tasn puts his nice begging face)
Oct 04 15:13:15 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 15:13:26 <TAsn> everything = shr suite, what I asked dos.
Oct 04 15:13:31 <TAsn> I want to make sure my fixes work.
Oct 04 15:13:35 <TAsn> and I can't build.
Oct 04 15:13:45 <mrmoku> TAsn: and I don't have your fixes :(
Oct 04 15:13:51 <TAsn> git pull
Oct 04 15:14:05 <mrmoku> [17:12]        mrmoku | TAsn: in case you did not get it yet... buildhost is down
Oct 04 15:14:08 <mrmoku> :P
Oct 04 15:14:12 <mrmoku> git is down too
Oct 04 15:14:12 <TAsn> that's on the same server?
Oct 04 15:14:16 <TAsn> really? :|
Oct 04 15:14:16 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 04 15:14:24 <TAsn> I hope there won't be a rollback
Oct 04 15:14:28 <TAsn> and that we have decent backups.
Oct 04 15:15:00 <mrmoku> TAsn: we are acting according to Torvalds rules... backups are for whimps ;)
Oct 04 15:15:42 <TAsn> I was afraid of getting this answer :|
Oct 04 15:15:54 <TAsn> well at least I have the versions *I* like cached locally ;]
Oct 04 15:16:17 <Ainulindale> Sup3rkiddo: So what is any good? :-)
Oct 04 15:16:21 <mrmoku> TAsn: well... not much to loose... git is distributed :)
Oct 04 15:16:26 <Ainulindale> s/what is/was it/
Oct 04 15:16:26 <apt> Ainulindale meant: Sup3rkiddo: So was it any good? :-)
Oct 04 15:16:27 <mrmoku> and trac is not effected
Oct 04 15:16:34 <TAsn> mrmoku, aye :)
Oct 04 15:16:38 <TAsn> Ainulindale, sup?
Oct 04 15:16:45 <Ainulindale> Nothing
Oct 04 15:16:47 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, it was :D..
Oct 04 15:16:47 <Ainulindale> You?
Oct 04 15:16:59 <Ainulindale> Sup3rkiddo: any remarks?
Oct 04 15:17:19 <mrmoku> TAsn: and I'm fixing the contactlist now
Oct 04 15:17:21 <Ainulindale> Sup3rkiddo: We had no feedback whatsoever, almost no question asked so... :-)
Oct 04 15:17:35 <Ainulindale> So either our presentation was mind blowing or dreadful
Oct 04 15:17:44 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, yeah that was because, we didn't have much crowd
Oct 04 15:17:44 <Ainulindale> We supposed we were talking to an empty room :-)
Oct 04 15:17:49 <Sup3rkiddo> hehe.. naw
Oct 04 15:18:17 <Ainulindale> Sup3rkiddo: how many people were there? Were they interested by the subject in the end?
Oct 04 15:18:19 <Sup3rkiddo> there were about 20-25, being the last day. 
Oct 04 15:18:26 <TAsn> Ainulindale, nothing special. :|
Oct 04 15:18:32 <TAsn> except for efl2 ;]
Oct 04 15:18:36 <Ainulindale> Heh
Oct 04 15:18:44 <TAsn> mrmoku, /me wants to see your stuff! :)
Oct 04 15:18:53 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, there was a OE hackathon yesterday... so we had some crowd from there..
Oct 04 15:18:56 <TAsn> mrmoku, making a widget?
Oct 04 15:19:05 <mrmoku> TAsn: mail me a git patch of your stuff :)
Oct 04 15:19:12 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, was organized by the gsoc student
Oct 04 15:19:14 <TAsn> hehe, what's your rev?
Oct 04 15:19:16 <mrmoku> TAsn: extracting the common parts
Oct 04 15:19:20 <mrmoku> not a real widget
Oct 04 15:19:26 <Ainulindale> Sup3rkiddo: what was organized?
Oct 04 15:19:31 <TAsn> mrmoku, yeah, something in the middle
Oct 04 15:19:39 <TAsn> though it's exactly like a real widget :)
Oct 04 15:19:40 <mrmoku> the golden middle :)
Oct 04 15:19:44 <Sup3rkiddo> Ainulindale, the hackathon/session on OE.. it was a allnighter
Oct 04 15:19:52 <Sup3rkiddo> with plenty of caffeine :D
Oct 04 15:20:36 <Ainulindale> Sup3rkiddo: heh
Oct 04 15:23:10 <TAsn> mrmoku, what's your mail again?
Oct 04 15:25:09 <TAsn> sent efl2 patches
Oct 04 15:25:17 <TAsn> now sending phonegui, ophonekitd and efl1
Oct 04 15:27:40 <TAsn> mrmoku, done. ;)
Oct 04 15:27:44 <mrmoku> TAsn: hope it won't conflict too much :P
Oct 04 15:27:44 <TAsn> you gotta upgrade all
Oct 04 15:27:50 <TAsn> hopefully... ;)
Oct 04 15:28:09 <TAsn> oh, also sent shr-* btw :)
Oct 04 15:29:00 <TAsn> (which is good)
Oct 04 15:29:04 <TAsn> first compile phonegui
Oct 04 15:29:08 <TAsn> then efl1/2
Oct 04 15:29:11 <TAsn> then ophonekitd
Oct 04 15:29:14 <TAsn> and then shr-*
Oct 04 15:29:21 <TAsn> (in case you are using -b which doesn't do deps)
Oct 04 15:34:44 <TAsn> mrmoku, do you want another patch? (that fixes 396 completely?)
Oct 04 15:34:46 <TAsn> efl2
Oct 04 15:35:25 <Gnutoo> hi, why the shr-branch depends on shr's repositories *at parsing * ?
Oct 04 15:36:22 <playya__> because of ${SRCPV}
Oct 04 15:36:26 <playya__> and autorev
Oct 04 15:36:37 <TAsn> Gnutoo, which is down btw.
Oct 04 15:36:42 <TAsn> (the git)
Oct 04 15:36:45 <TAsn> so you can't really build.
Oct 04 15:37:49 <Gnutoo> TAsn, yes
Oct 04 15:37:52 <Gnutoo> indeed
Oct 04 15:37:57 <Gnutoo> ah ok
Oct 04 15:38:29 <TAsn> mrmoku, sent another patch ;)
Oct 04 15:40:35 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, here?
Oct 04 15:41:50 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, can I send an sms split messages in a way that the first part is in text mode and the second is in PDU? i.e the first half only contains "regular" chars and the second half contains PDU chars, is it possible or is it against specs?
Oct 04 15:45:22 <DocScrutinizer-8> huh?
Oct 04 15:45:53 <DocScrutinizer-8> omg, you can ask questions
Oct 04 15:46:14 <DocScrutinizer-8> sorry, honestly I don't know
Oct 04 15:48:07 <PaulFertser> TAsn: why send non-PDU messages anyway?
Oct 04 15:48:19 <DocScrutinizer-8> I'd assume it's possible as split sms is a later extension that has to be compatible to old devices and protocol. So I think it's "technically" possible but no idea if it's allowed by spec
Oct 04 15:48:47 <TAsn> PaulFertser, because you can use more chars in 7bit gsm
Oct 04 15:48:52 <TAsn> than in ucs message
Oct 04 15:49:19 <DocScrutinizer-8> that's why farsi sms have less chars ;-)
Oct 04 15:49:28 <PaulFertser> TAsn: i don't think PDU==UCS ;)
Oct 04 15:49:41 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: i know since every russian char takes 2 bytes.
Oct 04 15:49:54 <TAsn> PaulFertser, which is ucs
Oct 04 15:49:55 <TAsn> ...
Oct 04 15:49:59 <TAsn> ucs-16 that is
Oct 04 15:50:10 <TAsn> there are 3 modes in sms
Oct 04 15:50:11 <TAsn> 7bit
Oct 04 15:50:19 <TAsn> 8bit (I don't think anyone uses that)
Oct 04 15:50:25 <TAsn> ucs
Oct 04 15:50:28 <TAsn> cus-16*
Oct 04 15:50:59 <TAsn> ucs-16* ffs ;)
Oct 04 15:51:51 <PaulFertser> TAsn: yes, but PDU is a way to encode text and destination number and service center number and timestamp etc. Seems to be orthogonal to what you're talking about
Oct 04 15:52:07 <TAsn> seems like I mixed two topics, yeah ;)
Oct 04 15:52:13 <TAsn> anyhow, I meant UCS then.
Oct 04 15:52:15 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 15:52:20 <DocScrutinizer-8> and though it's debatable if we want to send all 3 formats, we still need to handle inbound in all allowed
Oct 04 15:52:35 <TAsn> mixing ucs with 7bit
Oct 04 15:52:43 <TAsn> in two different parts
Oct 04 15:52:45 <TAsn> is that allowed?
Oct 04 15:52:48 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer-8, of course.
Oct 04 15:54:01 <DocScrutinizer-8> TAsn: you can't assume everybody will regard if it's not allowed. you need to handle each real sms on its own
Oct 04 15:54:18 <TAsn> I'm asking if it's allowed or not
Oct 04 15:54:19 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 15:54:26 <PaulFertser> TAsn: i guess the only GSM expert in here is alphaone 
Oct 04 15:54:31 <TAsn> I don't want to do something which is not allowed.
Oct 04 15:54:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> we probably won't send mixed-mode, but we need to handle
Oct 04 15:54:35 <TAsn> alphaone, please ^ :)
Oct 04 15:55:02 <PaulFertser> TAsn: but i'm sure he'd need to open all that horrible standards and search for ~30 min to tell you the answer anyway.
Oct 04 15:56:36 <DocScrutinizer-8> I'd sugest to be reluctant in exploiting all that's maybe allowable here. just send split in monomode, and make sure you can handle all imaginable crap inbound
Oct 04 15:57:10 <PaulFertser> TAsn: it's faster to try with actual nokia phone e.g.
Oct 04 15:57:21 <DocScrutinizer-8> sounds reasonably sensible to me
Oct 04 15:57:42 <TAsn> PaulFertser, I don't have a decent nokia around me. :|
Oct 04 15:58:25 <PaulFertser> TAsn: i'm sure someone in here has and international messages cost the same i hope.
Oct 04 15:58:44 <DocScrutinizer-8> my "decent nokia" is so old it doesn't know split sms
Oct 04 15:58:53 <TAsn> PaulFertser, no need to actually send
Oct 04 15:59:06 <TAsn> just type 170 words in text
Oct 04 15:59:10 <TAsn> *chars
Oct 04 15:59:18 <TAsn> chars that are only english
Oct 04 15:59:26 <TAsn> and then 5 russian chars
Oct 04 15:59:30 <TAsn> and check the count.
Oct 04 15:59:30 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 15:59:42 <pespin> are the feeds synced with the new shr-u image? 
Oct 04 15:59:51 <PaulFertser> TAsn: i don't have a working nokia atm too.
Oct 04 16:00:25 <PaulFertser> TAsn: but it won't answer the question. You wonder if you message will be readable, not if nokia considers it's ok to send messages like that.
Oct 04 16:00:40 <TAsn> I consider nokia as the standard ;]
Oct 04 16:01:13 <TAsn> (j/k)
Oct 04 16:01:45 <DocScrutinizer-8> I repeat: don't do that! "be conservative in what you do, and tolerant in what you expect from others"
Oct 04 16:03:14 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: hey, captain obvious ;)
Oct 04 16:06:04 <mrmoku> pespin: no feeds... server is down :(
Oct 04 16:11:22 <DocScrutinizer-8> TAsn: and for the "nokia-standard (j/k)":  Nokia implemented a "graphics-sms mode" around 10 years ago, to send b&w icons of some 50*50 encoded into standard sms. Not really widely accepted as standard afaik (only sony adopted it, also afaik). Do you want to implement that for sending, for inbound only, or just ignore? ;-P
Oct 04 16:11:50 <TAsn> I think just for inbound (major j/k)
Oct 04 16:12:00 <TAsn> PaulFertser, ++ :)
Oct 04 16:14:26 <DocScrutinizer-8> TAsn: ok, I think I can arrange to send such graphics-sms to you ;-)
Oct 04 16:14:42 <TAsn> thanks! :)
Oct 04 16:19:33 <TAsn> just finished 
Oct 04 16:19:35 <TAsn> phone_utils_gsm_sms_split_message
Oct 04 16:19:36 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 16:20:01 <TAsn> which splits an sms to an array of segments
Oct 04 16:20:04 <TAsn> of the split message ;)
Oct 04 16:34:33 <TAsn> works brilliantly :)
Oct 04 16:34:44 <TAsn> sending split messages will be easy as hell now.
Oct 04 16:35:29 <TAsn> wicked ;)
Oct 04 16:36:43 <TAsn> btw mrmoku 
Oct 04 16:36:53 <TAsn> just looked at the code for sending multipart sms
Oct 04 16:37:09 <TAsn> (in sms-receipt)
Oct 04 16:37:13 <TAsn> I found the bug
Oct 04 16:37:26 <TAsn> you assumed every char is one byte
Oct 04 16:37:42 <TAsn> though in fact, it's not :)
Oct 04 16:37:45 <TAsn> (utf8)
Oct 04 16:37:57 <TAsn> char *buf = malloc(data->limit + 1);
Oct 04 16:38:24 <TAsn> anyhow, I'll use the new phone-utils function when tomorrow 
Oct 04 16:38:34 <TAsn> in order to handle split sms.
Oct 04 16:48:29 <dos1> "we're working on it" or "on that"?
Oct 04 16:48:30 <dos1> ;x
Oct 04 16:56:58 <Ainulindale> Both good.
Oct 04 16:57:11 <Ainulindale> Although it's 
Oct 04 16:57:39 <Ainulindale> (At least w.r.t. my english ;-) )
Oct 04 16:57:59 <dos1> hehe ;)
Oct 04 17:03:09 <alexxy> Ainulindale: hi
Oct 04 17:03:16 <Ainulindale> Oï
Oct 04 17:03:24 <alexxy> is http://build.shr-project.org works for you?
Oct 04 17:03:30 <dos1> alexxy: look at topic
Oct 04 17:03:48 <alexxy> i get connection timed out
Oct 04 17:04:07 <alexxy> dos1: =) ahh i missed it
Oct 04 17:04:08 <alexxy> =)
Oct 04 17:04:39 <Gnutoo> still no nwes about the server?
Oct 04 17:04:46 <Gnutoo> sorry
Oct 04 17:10:45 <TAsn> dos1, anyhow,
Oct 04 17:10:52 <TAsn> we'll have split messages support in no time. :)
Oct 04 17:11:08 <dos1> nice :)
Oct 04 17:11:10 <TAsn> though it's you job to remind me to save outgoing messages
Oct 04 17:11:13 <TAsn> your*
Oct 04 17:11:38 <TAsn> (in opimd)
Oct 04 17:27:43 <DocScrutinizer-8> TAsn: actually I bet outbound sms saved
Oct 04 17:27:54 <DocScrutinizer-8> s/bet/get/
Oct 04 17:27:54 <apt> DocScrutinizer-8 meant: TAsn: actually I get outbound sms saved
Oct 04 17:28:02 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, in opimd? really
Oct 04 17:28:03 <TAsn> ?
Oct 04 17:28:07 <TAsn> that's weird.
Oct 04 17:28:14 <TAsn> dos1 said they don't.
Oct 04 17:28:19 <DocScrutinizer-8> opimd-utils messages
Oct 04 17:29:23 <TAsn> yeah.
Oct 04 17:29:29 <TAsn> he saves them explicitly.
Oct 04 17:29:32 <dos1> opimd-utils stores sent messages, yes
Oct 04 17:31:12 <DocScrutinizer-8> losers, A noob like me needs to teach you about your own code :-P
Oct 04 17:32:57 <TAsn> we are talking about opimd
Oct 04 17:33:00 <TAsn> not opimd-utils.
Oct 04 17:33:09 <TAsn> noob back at ya ;)
Oct 04 17:33:26 <TAsn> *loser back at ya
Oct 04 17:55:23 <mrmoku> TAsn: your patches are giving me a hard time
Oct 04 17:55:32 <TAsn> mrmoku, many clashes?
Oct 04 17:55:32 <mrmoku> git refuses to apply them
Oct 04 17:55:41 <TAsn> why?
Oct 04 17:55:46 <mrmoku> the last one I have is d95b4584879f0a073e15a870ecda07de379d8117
Oct 04 17:56:11 <TAsn> efl2+
Oct 04 17:56:12 <TAsn> ?
Oct 04 17:56:16 <mrmoku> nop
Oct 04 17:56:18 <mrmoku> shr
Oct 04 17:56:23 <mrmoku> opimd branch
Oct 04 17:56:36 <TAsn> oh.
Oct 04 17:56:46 <TAsn> hm.. those patches are for the main branch
Oct 04 17:56:48 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 17:56:55 <mrmoku> ahh
Oct 04 17:56:59 <TAsn> I already made the changes depend on a config file :)
Oct 04 17:57:06 <mrmoku> yup saw that
Oct 04 17:57:06 <mrmoku> ok
Oct 04 17:57:15 <mrmoku> that explains why I'm having a hard time ;)
Oct 04 17:57:54 <TAsn> mrmoku, hehe, yeah. ;)
Oct 04 17:58:08 * TAsn easily gets sick of working a different branch
Oct 04 17:58:14 <TAsn> I try to merge to main branch as fast as I can ;{
Oct 04 17:58:53 <TAsn> mrmoku, efl2 applied easily, right?
Oct 04 17:59:15 <TAsn> don't forget, compile efl2 *after* you compile phonegui :)
Oct 04 17:59:16 <mrmoku> trying to enhance my kmail filter first
Oct 04 17:59:21 <TAsn> hehe
Oct 04 17:59:21 <mrmoku> sure thing
Oct 04 17:59:22 <Gnutoo> mrmoku, git is re-working? ...strange it still has issues for me
Oct 04 17:59:28 <TAsn> Gnutoo, it's not.
Oct 04 17:59:31 <mrmoku> nop not reworking
Oct 04 17:59:35 <Gnutoo> ok
Oct 04 17:59:41 <TAsn> we are working on his local index :)
Oct 04 17:59:47 <Gnutoo> ah ok
Oct 04 17:59:57 <Gnutoo> I need oe quick...I need for kernel oops
Oct 04 18:00:16 <TAsn> I also need oe
Oct 04 18:00:18 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 18:00:31 <TAsn> anyhow, mrmoku I'm anxious to know if everything works ;)))
Oct 04 18:00:49 <TAsn> btw, I added almost everything needed for support of combination of different interfaces together
Oct 04 18:00:50 <TAsn> i.e
Oct 04 18:00:53 <TAsn> efl for messages
Oct 04 18:00:56 <TAsn> and efl2 for contacts
Oct 04 18:00:58 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 18:01:11 <TAsn> and gtk for dialer
Oct 04 18:01:32 <TAsn> there are just a couple of fixes needed to be done.
Oct 04 18:01:55 <TAsn> which I'll hopefully do tomorrow.
Oct 04 18:02:24 <TAsn> mrmoku, in conclusion, please pm me when you see everything works ;)
Oct 04 18:02:27 <TAsn> thanks.
Oct 04 18:02:45 <PaulFertser> TAsn: will new messages app automatically pickup new messages, without the need to restart?
Oct 04 18:02:47 <mrmoku> TAsn: nice... will ping when ready
Oct 04 18:04:13 <TAsn> PaulFertser, haven't implemented that yet
Oct 04 18:04:16 <TAsn> though it's easy as hell.
Oct 04 18:04:23 <TAsn> so potentially, yeah :)
Oct 04 18:04:53 <TAsn> mrmoku, ^ add the opimd new message and opimd missed call signals to fwhandler please :) (when you have time, this is not a top priority)
Oct 04 18:05:13 <dos1> missed call? did you also implement notifier? ;x
Oct 04 18:05:42 <TAsn> dos1, it's partially there already iirc
Oct 04 18:05:45 <TAsn> (dialog view)
Oct 04 18:05:49 <TAsn> you can use it to show info
Oct 04 18:05:56 <mrmoku> TAsn: still no go... eafa7aaad44e0090ea961b58d077783b0ee12a5b is what I have on top of master
Oct 04 18:06:01 <TAsn> just show the correct info.
Oct 04 18:06:02 <TAsn> mrmoku, sec.
Oct 04 18:06:53 <TAsn> how many patches did I send you?
Oct 04 18:07:42 <TAsn> resending new patches
Oct 04 18:08:15 <TAsn> done
Oct 04 18:08:25 <TAsn> git format-patch eafa7aaad44e0090ea961b58d077783b0ee12a5b
Oct 04 18:08:29 <TAsn> was used to generate them.
Oct 04 18:08:56 <mrmoku> ok, thanks
Oct 04 18:09:39 <mrmoku> dos1: there is NewMessage and IncomingMessage... difference and what should we listen to?
Oct 04 18:10:01 <dos1> NewMessage can be used for updating message list, or something like that
Oct 04 18:10:12 <TAsn> mrmoku, Incoming
Oct 04 18:10:15 <dos1> it notifies about every message (sent stored, just loaded from backend etc.)
Oct 04 18:10:18 <TAsn> actually New.
Oct 04 18:10:19 <dos1> Incoming is what name suggest
Oct 04 18:10:20 <dos1> ;)
Oct 04 18:10:21 <TAsn> new
Oct 04 18:10:25 <TAsn> we need New.
Oct 04 18:10:30 <cichlid> hey guys
Oct 04 18:10:37 <dos1> TAsn: we need both
Oct 04 18:10:41 <mrmoku> so ophonekitd listens to IncomingMessage and the frontend to NewMessage... we need both
Oct 04 18:10:45 <mrmoku> :)
Oct 04 18:11:10 <TAsn> dos1, I'm talking about messages-list
Oct 04 18:11:19 <TAsn> mrmoku, does it apply?
Oct 04 18:11:28 <mrmoku> TAsn: and I want to know what signals to add to lfg :)
Oct 04 18:11:31 <dos1> but for "new message" window we need IncomingMessage
Oct 04 18:11:31 <mrmoku> minute
Oct 04 18:11:33 <TAsn> btw, how do you apply patches sent like that? copy paste?
Oct 04 18:11:48 <cichlid> i can't update my shr-unstable anymore, opkg return an error when retrieving the data from the server :-(
Oct 04 18:11:51 <cichlid> Collected errors: * Failed to download http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//all/Packages.gz.
Oct 04 18:11:54 <cichlid> error detail: Server returned nothing (no headers, no data)
Oct 04 18:12:00 <TAsn> cichlid, read the topic
Oct 04 18:12:05 <TAsn> the last part
Oct 04 18:12:08 <TAsn> /topic\
Oct 04 18:12:09 <TAsn> /topic
Oct 04 18:12:19 <TAsn> and spank yourself for not reading it before asking ;{
Oct 04 18:12:22 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 18:12:24 <marcmoe> the hello_world example does not work for me, is there an other example?
Oct 04 18:12:41 <marcmoe> sry i ment hello_world 4 paroli
Oct 04 18:13:01 <dos1> marcmoe: try #paroli
Oct 04 18:13:10 <marcmoe> thx
Oct 04 18:13:39 <cichlid> thx
Oct 04 18:14:01 <TAsn> mrmoku, I'm going away for 30mins or so, let me know if you need anything.
Oct 04 18:14:09 <TAsn> btw, I don't know if it's xorg or just something else
Oct 04 18:14:11 <mrmoku> TAsn: looks better now
Oct 04 18:14:18 <TAsn> but the phone now blanks the screen reliably.
Oct 04 18:14:25 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw, as I aske
Oct 04 18:14:29 <TAsn> <TAsn> btw, how do you apply patches sent like that? copy paste?
Oct 04 18:14:38 <mrmoku> TAsn: git am
Oct 04 18:14:39 <TAsn> or is there a git auto doing something? :)
Oct 04 18:14:43 <TAsn> am?
Oct 04 18:14:50 <TAsn> pop3 access?
Oct 04 18:14:54 <PaulFertser> am am am i'll eat you
Oct 04 18:14:54 <mrmoku> apply mailbox I think
Oct 04 18:15:06 <TAsn> omg, git is too fucking cool.
Oct 04 18:15:13 <TAsn> s/fucking/damn/
Oct 04 18:15:14 <apt> TAsn meant: omg, git is too damn cool.
Oct 04 18:15:15 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 18:16:00 <mrmoku> I still have to teach damn kmail to handle multiple mails at once via a filter
Oct 04 18:16:02 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw, I got the code for sending multi sms done :)
Oct 04 18:16:08 <mrmoku> (or go back to mutt for that ;)
Oct 04 18:16:15 <mrmoku> TAsn: good
Oct 04 18:16:32 <TAsn> *very good :)
Oct 04 18:16:44 <TAsn> I've been waiting for correct char counting and multi sms for a long time now.
Oct 04 18:16:53 <mrmoku> the missing thing then is the sent notification
Oct 04 18:16:57 <TAsn> I'm actually expecting to have a stable usable phone.
Oct 04 18:17:01 <mrmoku> (which was segfaulting for me)
Oct 04 18:17:07 <TAsn> mrmoku, for me as well.
Oct 04 18:17:14 <TAsn> will debug that tomorrow or something
Oct 04 18:17:26 <mrmoku> brb
Oct 04 18:17:32 <TAsn> actually also the initiate call callback
Oct 04 18:17:37 <TAsn> was segfaulting for me
Oct 04 18:17:38 <TAsn> ciao.
Oct 04 18:34:48 <Slyon> does anyone know if there is a python binding to eet?
Oct 04 18:52:37 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r20d22561da31 10/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
Oct 04 18:52:37 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: opimd: add handler for NewMessage and IncomingMessage signals
Oct 04 18:52:37 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Oct 04 18:59:03 <mrmoku> dos1: btw... index on Neo is nice... but a bit slow
Oct 04 18:59:12 <mrmoku> not the index itself... but the scrolling of the list
Oct 04 18:59:23 <mrmoku> (if you select an index entry)
Oct 04 18:59:27 <dos1> mrmoku: how did you check that? ;)
Oct 04 18:59:33 <dos1> some code already prepared?
Oct 04 18:59:38 <mrmoku> dos1: I implemented the index for contacts :)
Oct 04 19:00:04 <mrmoku> a pity I can't build it to show you ;)
Oct 04 19:02:46 <mrmoku> TAsn: Patch failed at 0007 added contacts_new_show to phonegui
Oct 04 19:04:15 <TAsn> mrmoku, weird
Oct 04 19:04:24 <TAsn> this one should have been a no brainer...
Oct 04 19:04:59 <TAsn> omg
Oct 04 19:05:02 <TAsn> we got buildhost!! :)
Oct 04 19:05:22 <TAsn> mrmoku, sec, I'll just push it here :)
Oct 04 19:05:35 <mrmoku> TAsn: push where?
Oct 04 19:05:42 <mrmoku> ohh... we got buildhost?
Oct 04 19:05:44 <TAsn> oh
Oct 04 19:05:46 <TAsn> no.
Oct 04 19:05:46 <TAsn> :|
Oct 04 19:05:48 <TAsn> <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: mok libframeworkd-glib * r20d22561da31 /src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
Oct 04 19:05:50 <TAsn> saw this
Oct 04 19:05:52 <TAsn> thought it's ours
Oct 04 19:05:53 <TAsn> hehe :
Oct 04 19:06:08 <mrmoku> nah
Oct 04 19:06:12 <TAsn> mrmoku, anyhow, what failed in 7L
Oct 04 19:06:30 <mrmoku> guess I'm doing something wrong :(
Oct 04 19:06:56 <TAsn> you are probably
Oct 04 19:07:06 <TAsn> did you change anything?
Oct 04 19:07:30 <TAsn> (in phonegui)
Oct 04 19:07:39 <mrmoku> nop
Oct 04 19:07:49 <TAsn> weird.
Oct 04 19:08:03 <TAsn> what are the apply rejects?
Oct 04 19:08:24 <mrmoku> no rejects... git does not do rejects
Oct 04 19:08:32 * mrmoku retrying one-by-one
Oct 04 19:10:12 <TAsn> mrmoku, just fails? without a notice?
Oct 04 19:10:50 <mrmoku> error: patch failed: libframeworkd-phonegui/src/frameworkd-phonegui.c:38
Oct 04 19:10:53 <mrmoku> error: libframeworkd-phonegui/src/frameworkd-phonegui.c: patch does not apply
Oct 04 19:10:56 <mrmoku> error: patch failed: libframeworkd-phonegui/src/frameworkd-phonegui.h.in:35
Oct 04 19:10:59 <mrmoku> error: libframeworkd-phonegui/src/frameworkd-phonegui.h.in: patch does not apply
Oct 04 19:11:21 <TAsn> mrmoku, 
Oct 04 19:11:25 <TAsn> git status maybe?
Oct 04 19:11:35 <TAsn> verifying you haven't change anything.
Oct 04 19:12:29 <TAsn> 0007-changed-the-include-of-phonegui-to-the-correct-one.patch
Oct 04 19:12:29 <TAsn>  fails?
Oct 04 19:12:58 <mrmoku> TAsn: I did git reset --hard
Oct 04 19:13:09 <TAsn> it seems like you are applying the old patches
Oct 04 19:13:25 <TAsn> as 0007 doesn't touch the line you just showed.
Oct 04 19:13:36 <TAsn> actually
Oct 04 19:13:39 <TAsn> 0007
Oct 04 19:13:44 <TAsn> is not even a phonegui patch
Oct 04 19:13:46 <TAsn> it's efl
Oct 04 19:14:20 <pbaxter> g'd evening to all
Oct 04 19:15:00 <TAsn> mrmoku, here it's: 0010-added-contacts_new_show-to-phonegui.patch
Oct 04 19:15:07 <TAsn> ...
Oct 04 19:15:36 <mrmoku> here too... don't know why it says 0007...
Oct 04 19:15:52 <mrmoku> applying them one by one works but the last one
Oct 04 19:16:01 <TAsn> last one?
Oct 04 19:16:04 <TAsn> (name?)
Oct 04 19:16:22 <TAsn> split phonegui.c?
Oct 04 19:16:25 <mrmoku> Applying: split phonegui.c to another file so utility functions will be split
Oct 04 19:16:28 <mrmoku> yep
Oct 04 19:16:35 <mrmoku> that applies only partly
Oct 04 19:16:35 <pbaxter> who made the theme where you can use the FR in orizontal?
Oct 04 19:16:36 <TAsn> fails?
Oct 04 19:16:45 <TAsn> hm.. so it seems you are missing stuff.
Oct 04 19:17:02 <TAsn> does git log show
Oct 04 19:17:07 <TAsn> you got all my patches correctly?
Oct 04 19:18:19 <mrmoku> TAsn: hmm... looks like it is applied... strange
Oct 04 19:18:35 <TAsn> the last one as well?
Oct 04 19:18:36 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 19:18:41 * mrmoku compile checks ;)
Oct 04 19:18:44 <TAsn> hehe
Oct 04 19:18:58 <TAsn> just git diff with one commit before
Oct 04 19:19:02 <TAsn> and see if the patch is the same
Oct 04 19:20:41 <mrmoku> phonegui compiles
Oct 04 19:21:15 <TAsn> duh ;]
Oct 04 19:21:21 <TAsn> I knew it compiles
Oct 04 19:21:24 <TAsn> I can compile
Oct 04 19:21:27 <TAsn> just not link
Oct 04 19:21:54 <mrmoku> diff looks good
Oct 04 19:22:30 <mrmoku> now ophonekitd ;)
Oct 04 19:23:06 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 19:23:19 <mrmoku> and lfg-efl
Oct 04 19:24:12 <TAsn> and don't forget to recompile efl2
Oct 04 19:24:24 <mrmoku> have to apply your patches first ;)
Oct 04 19:24:28 <TAsn> bah. :)
Oct 04 19:24:33 <mrmoku> which might be fun... taking a look now
Oct 04 19:24:57 <TAsn> mrmoku, things have gotten crazy now that #396 is fixed. ;)
Oct 04 19:25:12 <mrmoku> which means?
Oct 04 19:25:22 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r75da7657b0af 10/fsogsmd/src/ (lib/modem.vala plugins/gsm_device/plugin.vala): 
Oct 04 19:25:22 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: allow modem to be closed/opened multiple times without
Oct 04 19:25:22 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: the Modem class to be removed. NOTE: This is necessary since
Oct 04 19:25:22 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: unloading a TypeModule is currently not possible with Vala
Oct 04 19:25:24 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: (g_type_register_static [used in Vala] vs. g_type_register_dynamic)
Oct 04 19:25:26 <CIA-66> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r87558b62e1d2 10/fsogsmd/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: org.freesmartphone.GSM.{Get|Set}Functionality done
Oct 04 19:25:44 <TAsn> mrmoku, I'm just happy and think efl2 is now very cool
Oct 04 19:25:53 <TAsn> (especially with your index widget)
Oct 04 19:26:04 <mrmoku> we need to fix incoming messages
Oct 04 19:26:15 <TAsn> mrmoku, what's wrong with them?
Oct 04 19:26:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw, please consider adding it to messages (the index widget) and sort by date maybe ;]
Oct 04 19:26:34 <mrmoku> just added the signals to lfg... so we have to use them ;)
Oct 04 19:26:49 <TAsn> oh.
Oct 04 19:26:53 <TAsn> refreshing on new message
Oct 04 19:26:56 <TAsn> yeah, we do.
Oct 04 19:27:12 <dos1> oh nooooo
Oct 04 19:27:22 <TAsn> dos1, ?
Oct 04 19:27:23 <dos1> we're close to have opimd phone suite by default!
Oct 04 19:27:24 <dos1> :(((
Oct 04 19:27:28 <TAsn> hehe
Oct 04 19:27:28 <dos1> more work for me!
Oct 04 19:27:28 <TAsn> yeah.
Oct 04 19:27:29 <dos1> ;D
Oct 04 19:27:35 <TAsn> now you really gotta fix your crap.
Oct 04 19:27:36 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 19:27:39 <TAsn> optimize it
Oct 04 19:27:40 <dos1> :'(
Oct 04 19:27:41 <TAsn> and make it work.
Oct 04 19:27:41 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 19:27:47 <dos1> ;)
Oct 04 19:28:30 <TAsn> I'm trying to figure out what's wrong, though for some reason name resolving works better with phonelog
Oct 04 19:28:34 <TAsn> oh nvm
Oct 04 19:28:41 <TAsn> i figured out what's wrong
Oct 04 19:28:45 <TAsn> in phonelog
Oct 04 19:28:54 <TAsn> I *don't* use your querying system
Oct 04 19:28:58 <TAsn> but caching everything myself.
Oct 04 19:28:58 <dos1> yup
Oct 04 19:29:04 <dos1> hmm
Oct 04 19:29:09 <TAsn> a big hm...
Oct 04 19:29:11 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 19:29:21 <dos1> but my quering should work too
Oct 04 19:29:39 <dos1> as it's also using python-phoneutils
Oct 04 19:29:52 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw, if you ever get bored, we need to add a "tab" to messages-list-view that's used for sent messages.
Oct 04 19:30:06 <TAsn> dos1, btw, I added new cool stuff the phoneutils
Oct 04 19:30:13 <TAsn> after we'll get buildhost back I'll show you.
Oct 04 19:30:13 <TAsn> :
Oct 04 19:30:17 <mrmoku> folders?
Oct 04 19:30:22 <TAsn> mrmoku, yeah.
Oct 04 19:30:46 <TAsn> dos1, something is probably broken with your querying...
Oct 04 19:30:50 <mrmoku> second patch is conflicting badly :(
Oct 04 19:30:51 <TAsn> you just need to figure out what.
Oct 04 19:30:58 <TAsn> mrmoku, what's the name?
Oct 04 19:31:12 <mrmoku> the please dos1 one :P
Oct 04 19:31:23 <TAsn> wow, git is amazing.
Oct 04 19:31:23 <dos1> TAsn: are you quering with "tel:" prefix?
Oct 04 19:31:32 <TAsn> smarter than what I would think.
Oct 04 19:31:35 <TAsn> dos1, yes.
Oct 04 19:31:46 <TAsn> it sometimes works.
Oct 04 19:31:56 <TAsn> dos1, I hope you strip it before comparing btw.
Oct 04 19:32:02 <TAsn> (before normalizing)
Oct 04 19:32:17 <TAsn> it doesn't really matter as phoneutis should cope wit it
Oct 04 19:32:19 <TAsn> with it
Oct 04 19:32:23 <TAsn> though it's a bad habit
Oct 04 19:32:26 <dos1> AFAIR it's stripped
Oct 04 19:32:31 <TAsn> as phone utils expects a legal number.
Oct 04 19:32:31 <TAsn> ;)
Oct 04 19:33:14 <TAsn> mrmoku, well, try to resolve it  :)
Oct 04 19:33:22 <TAsn> but yeah, that one was quite big ;)
Oct 04 19:34:29 <TAsn> weepee, e is back
Oct 04 19:34:34 <TAsn> though since buildhost is down
Oct 04 19:34:40 <TAsn> I can't really build anything.
Oct 04 19:35:36 <dos1> bitbake -b path/to/file.bb ?
Oct 04 19:35:46 <TAsn> too much work
Oct 04 19:35:51 <TAsn> as e has tons of deps.
Oct 04 19:35:55 <dos1> ah, e
Oct 04 19:36:55 <TAsn> though good idea.
Oct 04 19:37:00 <TAsn> built elementary
Oct 04 19:37:09 <TAsn> I can build the rest now :)
Oct 04 19:37:19 <TAsn> rest = shr apps
Oct 04 19:37:23 <TAsn> or I think so anyway.
Oct 04 19:48:59 <mrmoku> TAsn: hehe, resolving I found an error ;)
Oct 04 19:49:28 <mrmoku> if (tmp) instead of if (gval_tmp)
Oct 04 19:53:26 <TAsn> no you didn't find an error.
Oct 04 19:53:30 <TAsn> don't change that
Oct 04 19:53:33 <TAsn> as next commit will
Oct 04 19:53:34 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 19:53:46 <TAsn> you are the cause of our clashes! :)
Oct 04 19:53:57 <TAsn> fixing my errors prematurely!
Oct 04 19:54:05 <mrmoku> ahh... too late ;)
Oct 04 19:54:23 <TAsn> more clashing for you :)
Oct 04 19:55:18 <TAsn> shit, there's no way I'm making my deadline (read 70 pages, and finish a paper in two hours) let's hope they won't noticed I sent it a couple of hours too late :)
Oct 04 19:56:05 <TAsn> dos1, do you process binary sms in opimd or do you it up to us?
Oct 04 19:56:27 <dos1> TAsn: i don't even know how opimd will behave with binary sms
Oct 04 19:56:37 <TAsn> lol.
Oct 04 19:56:45 <TAsn> so please consider making a dir
Oct 04 19:56:51 <TAsn> where you'll dump the binary files into
Oct 04 19:57:01 <TAsn> and save links instead in case of binary data
Oct 04 19:57:06 <TAsn> in stead*
Oct 04 19:57:09 * TAsn is damn tired.
Oct 04 19:57:17 <TAsn> instead*
Oct 04 19:58:16 * mrmoku is tired too
Oct 04 19:58:27 <mrmoku> going to compile it now
Oct 04 19:58:34 <TAsn> mrmoku, finished resolving?
Oct 04 19:58:38 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 04 19:58:41 <TAsn> also applied the last one?
Oct 04 19:58:45 <TAsn> (396 fix)
Oct 04 19:58:53 <TAsn> I sent separately
Oct 04 19:59:19 <mrmoku> uhh.. no :)
Oct 04 19:59:22 <mrmoku> forgot that one
Oct 04 20:00:46 <TAsn> hehe
Oct 04 20:00:54 <TAsn> this one isn't supposed to clash at all.
Oct 04 20:00:58 <mrmoku> at least that one applies cleanly :)
Oct 04 20:01:09 <TAsn> hehe yeah ;)
Oct 04 20:01:18 <TAsn> it's a small patch on a deserted function :)
Oct 04 20:02:37 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm anxious to know if everything works
Oct 04 20:02:47 <TAsn> ping me when you realize I'm an idiot and everything is broken
Oct 04 20:02:53 <TAsn> or I'm a genius and everything is ok ;)
Oct 04 20:03:21 <TAsn> as this consists of ~20 patches that weren't tested at all. ;)
Oct 04 20:08:44 <TAsn> anyhow, mrmoku please up all of those packages (shr-* ophonekitd efl2 and phonegui) if they work ;)
Oct 04 20:08:44 <Gnutoo> mrmoku, btw at what point is the migration with oe.dev?
Oct 04 20:08:48 * TAsn wants to test.
Oct 04 20:08:54 <Gnutoo> mrmoku, oops hi
Oct 04 20:09:02 <mrmoku> TAsn: up them where? :P
Oct 04 20:09:12 <TAsn> I don't care where :)
Oct 04 20:09:16 <mrmoku> Gnutoo: hi :) stefan wanted to continue on that over the weekend IIRC
Oct 04 20:09:17 <TAsn> megaupload
Oct 04 20:09:23 <TAsn> filebin.ca
Oct 04 20:09:25 <Gnutoo> mrmoku, ok
Oct 04 20:09:28 <TAsn> somewhere
Oct 04 20:09:35 <TAsn> (tarred)
Oct 04 20:09:39 <TAsn> tar ed.
Oct 04 20:09:40 <TAsn> ;)
Oct 04 20:09:52 * TAsn wants :)
Oct 04 20:12:05 <mrmoku> TAsn: have to rebuild all with bumped PR... otherwise damn stupid opkg refuses to install them :P
Oct 04 20:13:27 <TAsn> hehe
Oct 04 20:13:30 <TAsn> I have a trick
Oct 04 20:13:38 <TAsn> vim /usr/lib/opkg/status
Oct 04 20:13:48 <TAsn> search for the package
Oct 04 20:13:56 <TAsn> and replace gitrLO...
Oct 04 20:13:57 <TAsn> with 
Oct 04 20:14:00 <TAsn> gitr0LO...
Oct 04 20:14:01 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 20:14:04 <TAsn> will solve it.
Oct 04 20:14:13 <TAsn> though actually
Oct 04 20:14:19 <TAsn> -force-reinstall
Oct 04 20:15:02 <TAsn> I use my hack when the stupid thing won't install the updated version from repos.
Oct 04 20:19:23 <mrmoku> -force-reinstall does not work
Oct 04 20:25:44 <mrmoku> TAsn: booting it now :)
Oct 04 20:26:06 <TAsn> mrmoku, you didn't have to boot,but cool :)
Oct 04 20:26:18 <TAsn> (testing with just running shr-messages for instance is enough.)
Oct 04 20:26:28 <mrmoku> well... good testing includes booting :)
Oct 04 20:26:43 <TAsn> of course.
Oct 04 20:26:50 <TAsn> but you need quick testing
Oct 04 20:27:11 <TAsn> before doing the long and tedious testing ;)
Oct 04 20:27:14 <mrmoku> :)
Oct 04 20:27:27 <mrmoku> with such a fast booting device :P
Oct 04 20:27:34 <TAsn> mrmoku, actually
Oct 04 20:27:39 <TAsn> it became A LOT
Oct 04 20:27:40 <TAsn> faster
Oct 04 20:27:47 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw
Oct 04 20:27:59 <TAsn> disable ophonekitd contact cache
Oct 04 20:28:01 <TAsn> in config
Oct 04 20:28:01 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 20:28:25 <mrmoku> hehe... have to check if installing phonegui switched back to efl first :)
Oct 04 20:28:47 <mrmoku> yep (as I removed it)
Oct 04 20:28:52 <mrmoku> testing efl first then
Oct 04 20:29:02 <TAsn> open a screen
Oct 04 20:29:05 <TAsn> any screen
Oct 04 20:29:10 <TAsn> if that works then I did a good job :)
Oct 04 20:29:21 <mrmoku> then you did a good job :D
Oct 04 20:29:25 <TAsn> hehe
Oct 04 20:29:28 <TAsn> btw
Oct 04 20:29:31 <TAsn> you didn't send me
Oct 04 20:29:33 <TAsn> shr-*
Oct 04 20:29:37 <TAsn> did you test them as well? :)
Oct 04 20:29:51 <mrmoku> didn't even build them :P
Oct 04 20:29:56 <TAsn> noob. :)
Oct 04 20:30:06 <TAsn> please give them a go as well. :)
Oct 04 20:30:17 * mrmoku checks if incoming call resolution works with efl
Oct 04 20:30:22 <TAsn> so you didn't verify if I did a good job yet.
Oct 04 20:30:30 <TAsn> now you will
Oct 04 20:30:32 <TAsn> (incoming call)
Oct 04 20:30:55 <mrmoku> hmm... no
Oct 04 20:31:03 <TAsn> no what?
Oct 04 20:31:09 <TAsn> doesn't pop the window
Oct 04 20:31:11 <mrmoku> did not resolve to the name
Oct 04 20:31:12 <TAsn> or doesn't resolve?
Oct 04 20:31:15 <TAsn> check 
Oct 04 20:31:21 <TAsn> /var/log/ophonekitd.log
Oct 04 20:31:25 <TAsn> I think it's an opimd issue
Oct 04 20:31:52 <TAsn> *it is an opimd issue.
Oct 04 20:31:59 <TAsn> but at least,
Oct 04 20:32:02 <TAsn> the screen showed
Oct 04 20:32:06 <TAsn> this mean I didn't screw up :)
Oct 04 20:32:17 <TAsn> give messages (new message a try)
Oct 04 20:32:18 <TAsn> amazing ;]
Oct 04 20:33:00 <TAsn> and please build (and send me) shr-*
Oct 04 20:33:04 <TAsn> that's the main testing
Oct 04 20:33:10 <TAsn> did you overview the changes?
Oct 04 20:33:22 <TAsn> now it's done in a sane manner. :)
Oct 04 20:33:34 <TAsn> someone can finally write python bindings btw :)
Oct 04 20:34:17 <mrmoku> TAsn: all of them?
Oct 04 20:34:33 <TAsn> adding extension theme '/usr/share/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2/contactlist.edj'
Oct 04 20:34:33 <TAsn> EDJE ERROR: file /usr/share/elementary/themes/default.edj, group elm/index/base/vertical/default has a non-fixed part. add fixed: 1 1; ???
Oct 04 20:34:33 <TAsn>   Problem part is: elm.swallow.event.0
Oct 04 20:34:33 <TAsn>   Will recalc min size not allowing broken parts to affect the result.
Oct 04 20:34:37 <TAsn> mrmoku, yes. :)
Oct 04 20:34:44 <mrmoku> contacts, dialer, messages
Oct 04 20:35:00 <TAsn> yes.
Oct 04 20:35:06 <TAsn> btw, because of ^
Oct 04 20:35:10 <TAsn> index doesn't work correctly.
Oct 04 20:36:58 <mrmoku> it is too high
Oct 04 20:37:58 <mrmoku> TAsn: I don't know how to correctly size the index
Oct 04 20:38:19 <mrmoku> it takes full screen height (including topbar and buttons on bottom) instead of only the list
Oct 04 20:38:24 <TAsn> so that's not the issue?
Oct 04 20:38:32 <TAsn> then this means that index doesn't support utf8
Oct 04 20:38:37 <TAsn> raster!!! :)
Oct 04 20:38:47 <mrmoku> TAsn: don't think that is the issue... as that messages is in elementary_tests too
Oct 04 20:39:41 <TAsn> sent you another patch ;)
Oct 04 20:40:14 <TAsn> oh wait
Oct 04 20:40:19 <TAsn> nvm the patch
Oct 04 20:40:23 <TAsn> as there's a commit in the middle
Oct 04 20:40:30 <TAsn> which I didn't send
Oct 04 20:40:38 <TAsn> that needs some changes in phone_utilsn
Oct 04 20:40:47 <TAsn> and I don't feel like sending a patch to that as well :)
Oct 04 20:41:13 * DocScrutinizer-8 really wonders how you ever can set up a raid that fails on breakage of one disk
Oct 04 20:41:22 <TAsn> hehe
Oct 04 20:41:46 <TAsn> anyhow, mrmoku WICKED JOB!
Oct 04 20:41:47 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 20:41:50 <TAsn> (with everything)
Oct 04 20:42:00 <mrmoku> TAsn: yup *we* did a good job :)
Oct 04 20:42:05 <mrmoku> TAsn: tasn2.tar.gz
Oct 04 20:42:13 <TAsn> btw, bug: the new messages entry
Oct 04 20:42:19 <TAsn> allows scrolling sideways instead of wrapping
Oct 04 20:42:20 <TAsn> :|
Oct 04 20:42:23 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 04 20:42:24 <TAsn> wrapping is better.
Oct 04 20:43:03 <mrmoku> this index thing is really a good job from raster
Oct 04 20:43:14 <TAsn> mrmoku, except that it doesn't support UTF8!!!!
Oct 04 20:43:15 <TAsn> ffs!
Oct 04 20:43:19 <mrmoku> and fast... just scrolling the list to the correct position is slow
Oct 04 20:43:21 * TAsn is too tired to fix this :)
Oct 04 20:43:34 <TAsn> (although it's very simple)
Oct 04 20:44:48 <TAsn> add contact is ssoooo cool :)
Oct 04 20:44:56 <mrmoku> TAsn: so... will you take a look at correctly handling incoming messages?
Oct 04 20:45:04 <TAsn> not today
Oct 04 20:45:07 <TAsn> :|
Oct 04 20:45:12 <mrmoku> and I will enhance the contacts a bit... as shown in dos's sketches
Oct 04 20:45:18 <mrmoku> TAsn: yep me neither today
Oct 04 20:45:21 <mrmoku> off to bed now
Oct 04 20:45:25 <TAsn> cool. :)
Oct 04 20:45:26 <mrmoku> thought about the next things :)
Oct 04 20:45:28 <TAsn> mrmoku, exactly
Oct 04 20:45:32 <TAsn> please enhance the contact edit
Oct 04 20:45:36 <TAsn> (and show?)
Oct 04 20:45:47 <mrmoku> ahh.. and the dialer
Oct 04 20:45:47 <TAsn> should be rather easy, but amazingly good :)
Oct 04 20:46:04 <TAsn> btw mrmoku 
Oct 04 20:46:08 <mrmoku> and active call /incoming call... I want number + name :)
Oct 04 20:46:15 <TAsn> yes.
Oct 04 20:46:23 <TAsn> we already have that on active
Oct 04 20:46:30 <TAsn> (or outgoing?) can't remember
Oct 04 20:46:31 <TAsn> or so I think
Oct 04 20:46:51 <TAsn> although index doesn't work here
Oct 04 20:46:55 <TAsn> it's soo cool :)
Oct 04 20:47:24 <mrmoku> TAsn: and selecting a contact for new SMS works too
Oct 04 20:47:30 <TAsn> yeah.
Oct 04 20:47:35 <TAsn> that's waht I meant by add contact ;)
Oct 04 20:47:36 <mrmoku> ok... enjoy it :)
Oct 04 20:47:40 <TAsn> thanks. :))))
Oct 04 20:47:43 * mrmoku off to bed :D
Oct 04 20:47:48 <mrmoku> gnight all
Oct 04 20:47:52 <TAsn> night.
Oct 04 21:09:33 <DocScrutinizer-8> mrmoku|away: (ctive call /incoming call... I want number + name :) we even might find multiple contacts to (more or less) match an inbound call. So prepare for multiple names for one call. Also we might have multiple categories (office-phone, home-phone) for one name, so consider display of category as well
Oct 04 21:13:36 <DocScrutinizer-8> mrmoku|away: aiui ringtone and notify is a function of dialer (in future), so consider to get ringtone from possibly existent field "X-SHR-ringtone" of a contact
Oct 04 21:15:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> mrmoku|away: for a generic way to do more tricky things we might execve() whatever content of a field "X-SHR-exec-incall"
Oct 04 21:16:44 <BluesLee> are there any hints that a gsm related daemon crashes when the freerunner isnt rebooted for some days?
Oct 04 21:17:51 <DocScrutinizer-8> no, not that I know of
Oct 04 21:18:05 <BluesLee> for me it happens quite often with the bad side effect that the gsm indicator doesnt shows me "full strength" instead of "no service"
Oct 04 21:18:28 <BluesLee> quite often means once a week 
Oct 04 21:18:41 <DocScrutinizer-8> hmm, that happens when frameworkd borks
Oct 04 21:19:15 <BluesLee> how can i avoid this or use a workaround?
Oct 04 21:19:21 <DocScrutinizer-8> never seen it's a function of uptime though (except mere statistical)
Oct 04 21:19:41 <BluesLee> hmm
Oct 04 21:20:17 <DocScrutinizer-8> find out what and why segfaults/locks, and fix the reason
Oct 04 21:20:21 <BluesLee> its more or less the only big issue i have
Oct 04 21:21:18 <BluesLee> okay, i will try with beginning to log infos
Oct 04 21:24:37 <DocScrutinizer-8> I still see frequent framework failures on gprs forced disconnect
Oct 04 21:24:58 <DocScrutinizer-8> (externaly forced)
Oct 04 21:28:18 <BluesLee> i dont now why its the case but its something which prevents me from calling it stable
Oct 04 21:28:36 <BluesLee> i activated frameworkd debugging maybe i catch something there
Oct 04 21:29:15 <BluesLee> does someone know what t@a in navit means?
Oct 04 21:32:50 <DocScrutinizer-8> TAsn: you copied the notes to mrmoku|away ?
Oct 04 21:33:31 <DocScrutinizer-8> (above)
Oct 04 21:33:53 <TAsn> mrmoku|away: (ctive call /incoming call... I want number + name :) we even might find multiple contacts to (more or less) match an inbound call. So prepare for multiple names for one call. Also we might have multiple categories (office-phone, home-phone) for one name, so consider display of category as well
Oct 04 21:33:55 <TAsn> this?
Oct 04 21:34:17 <TAsn> oh, all 3?
Oct 04 21:34:17 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 21:34:24 <DocScrutinizer-8> yes
Oct 04 21:34:42 <TAsn> wrote them down
Oct 04 21:34:42 <TAsn> yeah.
Oct 04 21:34:54 <TAsn> (actually I cheated, I used copy -> paste)
Oct 04 21:35:00 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm off.
Oct 04 21:35:12 <TAsn> efl2 is amazingly cool thanks to mrmoku|away and his new additions :))))
Oct 04 21:35:28 <DocScrutinizer-8> ahh, I forgot: we might even have a (path to a ) picture on a contacct ;-)
Oct 04 21:35:36 <TAsn> of course.
Oct 04 21:35:52 <TAsn> although /me hates pictures.
Oct 04 21:35:54 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 21:36:04 <TAsn> especially since we don't have a camera
Oct 04 21:36:07 <TAsn> but not only :)
Oct 04 21:36:21 <TAsn> anyhow, ciao. will do all of those, don't worry.
Oct 04 21:36:32 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer-8, do you like the new change of momentum?
Oct 04 21:36:33 <TAsn> :)
Oct 04 21:36:53 <DocScrutinizer-8> yeah, awesome :-))
Oct 04 21:37:00 <TAsn> lol.
Oct 04 21:37:07 <TAsn> let's just hope we can keep it up
Oct 04 21:37:13 <TAsn> and that I won't fail next weeks test :)
Oct 04 21:37:37 <DocScrutinizer-8> toitoitoi
Oct 04 21:37:59 <TAsn> anyhow
Oct 04 21:38:00 <TAsn> night.
Oct 04 21:38:05 <DocScrutinizer-8> (keeping my fingers crossed)
Oct 04 21:38:12 <DocScrutinizer-8> night :-)
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