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Oct 22 05:27:35 <mrmoku> mickeyl: hey, morning. up early today :)
Oct 22 05:53:22 <mrmoku> hehe
Oct 22 05:53:43 * mrmoku should have looked closer... was more kind of going to bed late :P
Oct 22 06:09:34 <rebelThor> anyone aware of some binutils issues while building shr/merge? I keep getting *** These critical programs are missing or too old: as ld on the do_configure task of openembedded/recipes/glibc/glibc_2.9.bb
Oct 22 06:16:33 <JaMa> rebelThor: playya_ said something simillar.. I'll check as soon as my angstrom image finish building
Oct 22 06:16:45 <rebelThor> JaMa: thanks!
Oct 22 06:17:05 <JaMa> rebelThor: but binutils are not too old for sure.. maybe just too new.. and that configure check is wrong..
Oct 22 06:17:58 <rebelThor> JaMa: hmm, well, yeah, but i'm not entirely sure how it checks that, so I don't know how to fiddle with it..
Oct 22 06:20:27 <JaMa> rebelThor: you can check config.log in build directory, then configure script itself and if you found something strange, then you probably need to create patch for configure.ac
Oct 22 06:21:09 <vanous1231> mrmoku: good morning; does crashing of the phoneui apps under X11-16 means that they will not even run under another window manager?
Oct 22 06:21:28 <rebelThor> JaMa: but shouldn't this happen to everybody, I don't really understand how come I'm finding so many issues, while all of you get to clean build the image :D what am I, cursed or something :D
Oct 22 06:22:33 <JaMa> rebelThor: its not so clean most of the time..
Oct 22 06:23:00 <JaMa> rebelThor: I upgraded binutils after image build.. so maybe that's why I haven't seen your problem
Oct 22 06:23:28 <JaMa> rebelThor: and also ie I have maybe 4 patches for build problems, which didn't happen on other build hosts.. 
Oct 22 06:23:50 <rebelThor> JaMa: so this is like DocScrutinizer said a while ago, building the image still depends on the buildhost config :)
Oct 22 06:27:39 <rebelThor> JaMa: this is a weird configure.log line: checking version of /home/thor/Openmoko/shr-unstable/tmp/cross/armv4t/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.4.1/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld... 2.20, bad
Oct 22 06:27:47 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw, fsousage went crazy.
Oct 22 06:28:01 <TAsn> actually after the upgrade I did yesterday night, everything went crazy.
Oct 22 06:28:38 <JaMa> rebelThor: yes.. it's mostly recipe fault.. but sometimes it depends on libs/progs on buildhost
Oct 22 06:32:46 * rebelThor is getting really drunk if he manages to build shr/merge.. but looks like he'll be sober for a while though :D
Oct 22 06:36:36 <mrmoku> vanous1231: (other wm) don't understand that question...
Oct 22 06:37:07 <mrmoku> TAsn: I built task-fso2-compliance this morning... maybe just try to upgrade
Oct 22 06:37:57 <TAsn> what's this task?
Oct 22 06:38:13 <vanous1231> mrmoku: if one uses icewm or openbox...
Oct 22 06:38:17 <TAsn> vanous1231, that's not related to anything.
Oct 22 06:38:26 <TAsn> vanous1231, it's a matter of ecore/elementary/evas
Oct 22 06:38:28 <TAsn> furthermore
Oct 22 06:38:38 <TAsn> it seems that the glamo driver i the one to blame
Oct 22 06:38:49 <TAsn> and that doesn't work well with X11-16
Oct 22 06:38:56 <vanous1231> I see
Oct 22 06:39:02 <TAsn> (according to heindervm) (I' probably spelled his name wrong)
Oct 22 06:39:33 <TAsn> in other words
Oct 22 06:39:38 <TAsn> you can run it under any vm.
Oct 22 06:40:00 <TAsn> btw, you can also, if you like, write a gtk/qt/ncurses frontend.
Oct 22 06:40:13 <vanous1231> for?
Oct 22 06:40:26 * TAsn meant backend
Oct 22 06:40:29 <TAsn> for libphone-ui
Oct 22 06:40:33 <vanous1231> yes
Oct 22 06:40:44 <TAsn> so the phone stack will naturally use your backend instead.
Oct 22 06:40:56 <vanous1231> I see
Oct 22 06:41:50 <vanous1231> so rather then using framework, one can step up one layer higher and use the libphone-ui, right?
Oct 22 06:41:59 <vanous1231> I mean
Oct 22 06:42:05 <TAsn> exactly.
Oct 22 06:42:07 <vanous1231> rather then using framework directly
Oct 22 06:42:09 <vanous1231> o
Oct 22 06:42:10 <vanous1231> ok
Oct 22 06:42:11 <TAsn> (the backend writer)
Oct 22 06:42:22 <TAsn> so your windows will pop up automatically
Oct 22 06:42:30 <TAsn> and everything will easily work in sync
Oct 22 06:42:41 <TAsn> all you need to do is write a backend.
Oct 22 06:44:16 <TAsn> and you can mix backends btw.
Oct 22 06:44:18 <TAsn> anyhow.
Oct 22 06:44:29 <TAsn> I'm off.
Oct 22 06:44:30 <TAsn> ciao.
Oct 22 06:44:33 <TAsn> have fun
Oct 22 06:44:44 <TAsn> mrmoku, I upgraded, will tell you how it went in 5 minutes.
Oct 22 06:44:49 <mrmoku> good
Oct 22 06:44:57 <mrmoku> as I might upgrade as well if it works ;)
Oct 22 06:45:00 <TAsn> mrmoku, plesae build xf86-video-fbdev (don't use)
Oct 22 06:45:03 <TAsn> as it doesn't build here :|
Oct 22 06:45:08 <TAsn> mrmoku, hehe, damn you. :|
Oct 22 06:45:09 <mrmoku> neither here :| 
Oct 22 06:45:13 <TAsn> shit.
Oct 22 06:45:15 <mrmoku> (tried that yesterday)
Oct 22 06:45:23 <mrmoku> though... I think with playya's patch it might
Oct 22 06:45:24 <TAsn> libxfont?
Oct 22 06:45:26 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 22 06:45:28 <TAsn> :|
Oct 22 06:45:30 <mrmoku> there is a patch for that
Oct 22 06:45:44 <vanous1231> interesting
Oct 22 06:46:13 <mrmoku> TAsn: upgrade and retry
Oct 22 06:46:38 <TAsn> mrmoku, doesn't work (moko)
Oct 22 06:46:39 <TAsn> don't upgrade.
Oct 22 06:46:59 <TAsn> btw mrmoku 
Oct 22 06:47:04 <mrmoku> hmm
Oct 22 06:47:10 <TAsn> ophonekitd is no longer in tasks
Oct 22 06:47:11 <TAsn> right/
Oct 22 06:47:13 <TAsn> L
Oct 22 06:47:16 <TAsn> ?
Oct 22 06:47:20 <mrmoku> I applied your patch
Oct 22 06:47:27 <mrmoku> tasks did not check / do anything yet
Oct 22 06:47:40 <TAsn> mrmoku, my patch didn't fix tasks
Oct 22 06:47:45 <rebelThor> JaMa: seems like the glibc config wants a ld version 2.1[3-9] and I have 2.20 installed inside the crazy path above.. how do i get to installing the older one ? or should I just modify the regex ?
Oct 22 06:47:45 <TAsn> only shr-settings.
Oct 22 06:47:47 <mrmoku> will do that later today and try to build an image
Oct 22 06:47:51 <mrmoku> TAsn: I know :)
Oct 22 06:47:55 <TAsn> ok.
Oct 22 06:47:59 <TAsn> cool.
Oct 22 06:48:00 <TAsn> I'm off.
Oct 22 06:48:09 <TAsn> NOTE: Handling BitBake files: | (0738/6963) [10 %]
Oct 22 06:48:15 <mrmoku> fun :)
Oct 22 06:48:28 <JaMa> rebelThor: modify regexp :)
Oct 22 06:48:47 <JaMa> rebelThor: we had 2.19.50.0.3 which is just snapshot of upcoming 2.20
Oct 22 06:49:09 <JaMa> rebelThor: when 2.20 was release and khem added it to oe.dev repo, I updated preferred version for shr too
Oct 22 06:52:35 <rebelThor> JaMa: looks like it's compiling now, thanks for the pointers ;)
Oct 22 06:53:30 <JaMa> rebelThor: you're welcome and don't forget to send patch :)
Oct 22 06:53:46 <rebelThor> JaMa: I would, but I'm not sure how to do that..
Oct 22 06:54:19 <JaMa> rebelThor: my build just finished.. I'll take care of that then..
Oct 22 06:54:36 * mrmoku is waiting for cookies :P
Oct 22 06:55:55 * JaMa is still fighting with python-ctypes :/
Oct 22 06:56:37 <JaMa> mrmoku: I tried to build it using autoconf_2.61 and its the same (file missing), but error about _ctypes not configured disappeared..
Oct 22 06:57:07 <mrmoku> hmm
Oct 22 06:57:42 <mrmoku> JaMa: we should ask mickeyl about that when he hits his office later :)
Oct 22 06:57:44 <JaMa> now I'll try to build it with older binutils in my angstrom image..
Oct 22 06:58:37 * JaMa doesn't want to delay mickey from fsogsmd work :), but ok... :)
Oct 22 07:01:21 <JaMa> mrmoku: btw i merged some new stuff from shr/import recipes/shr to shr/merge, but its not tested (srcrevs probably missing now..) so I'll send that cookie later...
Oct 22 07:02:24 <mrmoku> ok... I'm off to repair my parents computer now... bbl
Oct 22 07:23:51 <Heinervdm> Is the problem with fsousaged solved?
Oct 22 07:28:45 <Heinervdm> mrmoku|away: mickeyl changed fso recipes in org.oe.dev, probably we have to update ours
Oct 22 08:02:14 <JaMa> mrmoku|away: ah, that python-ctypes problem is in autoconf.. when i tried it with 2.61 I used 2.61 for arm and still 2.63 for autoconf-native..
Oct 22 08:30:05 <JaMa> mrmoku|away: python fixed, I'll retest and send cookie
Oct 22 08:46:16 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: hmm... glancing over it it looks like just changes to stuff we don't use
Oct 22 08:46:40 <Heinervdm> he added a depends on libgee-native
Oct 22 08:47:33 <Heinervdm> not just the last patch, there where some more patches
Oct 22 08:50:34 <Heinervdm> oh, that wasn't him, that was you ;)
Oct 22 08:52:30 <Heinervdm> but this is needed for fsodeviced: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=7100155e21628efe6086e5cb04d4390365fd703f
Oct 22 08:57:07 <mrmoku> but just to build
Oct 22 08:57:22 <mrmoku> and we don't use fsodeviced by default yet
Oct 22 08:57:29 <Heinervdm> ok
Oct 22 09:16:12 <Heinervdm> with latest fsousaged it starts 8 times again
Oct 22 09:17:03 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: what do you mean?
Oct 22 09:18:24 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: you haven't heard, that it doesn't register to GSM with the latest update?
Oct 22 09:19:48 <Heinervdm> 2009.10.22 11:09:20.124 frameworkd.resource  WARNING  Can't register resource Display since ousaged is not present. Enabling device 
Oct 22 09:20:05 <der-lehmann> hi, does anybody know the best way to test call audio quality without annoy someone?
Oct 22 09:20:46 <PaulFertser> der-lehmann: call a friend?
Oct 22 09:23:07 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: yeah, noticed that... but what does 'it starts 8 times again' mean?
Oct 22 09:23:55 <der-lehmann> PaufFerster: yes but i would like to keep my friends :)
Oct 22 09:23:57 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: fsousaged is running 8 times, same as yesterday after you left
Oct 22 09:23:58 <JaMa> mrmoku: please merge oe.dev to shr/merge
Oct 22 09:24:29 <Heinervdm> der-lehmann: you have no friend that is interested in OpenSource?
Oct 22 09:24:38 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: oohh... 8 times in parallel? that is something new :P
Oct 22 09:24:42 <mrmoku> JaMa: ok
Oct 22 09:25:03 <der-lehmann> Heinervdm: not so many
Oct 22 09:25:28 <Heinervdm> der-lehmann: one is enough ;)
Oct 22 09:25:32 <alexxy> hi all!
Oct 22 09:25:54 <alexxy> mrmoku: Heinervdm: TAsn: fsousaged still dont works for me
Oct 22 09:25:58 <mrmoku> alexxy: will break my phone by upgrading now... to debug it :P
Oct 22 09:26:44 <alexxy> if i enable ousaged and disable fsousaged then i can call again =)
Oct 22 09:27:40 <der-lehmann> whats about using dictator to record sound from MIC?
Oct 22 09:28:48 <mrmoku> JaMa: there is a conflict in the pixman recipe... and I don't know how to resolve it
Oct 22 09:29:07 <mrmoku> ahh... nvm
Oct 22 09:29:58 <mrmoku> JaMa: pushed
Oct 22 09:30:06 <JaMa> mrmoku: thanks..
Oct 22 09:36:13 <PaulFertser> der-lehmann: calypso does quite some processing so you'll know nothing about the call quality.
Oct 22 09:37:13 <der-lehmann> PaulFerster: ok thanks
Oct 22 09:54:28 <vanous123> how is it with the pyqt pacages, are they available? or shoid it be pyside? anybody know?
Oct 22 09:56:40 <Heinervdm> vanous123: there is a recipe for pyqt but non for pyside
Oct 22 10:05:05 <mrmoku> mickey|office: help :-)
Oct 22 10:05:28 <mickey|office> *yawn*
Oct 22 10:05:30 <mickey|office> good morning
Oct 22 10:05:34 <mickey|office> what's up?
Oct 22 10:05:44 <mrmoku> fsousaged does not work as expected
Oct 22 10:05:53 <mickey|office> that's sad. what does it do?
Oct 22 10:06:43 <mrmoku> it get's activated... and activated but does not get on the bus
Oct 22 10:06:51 <Heinervdm> it starts 8 times in parallel ;)
Oct 22 10:07:04 <mrmoku> it does *not* segfault
Oct 22 10:07:30 <Heinervdm> when you start it on the terminal and do CTRL-C it will segfault
Oct 22 10:08:18 <mickey|office> hmm, wow
Oct 22 10:15:41 * rebelThor is happy for getting the uimage built at last.. now trying shr-lite-image
Oct 22 10:18:19 <Heinervdm> JaMa: libX11_1.3.1 fails for me...
Oct 22 10:18:27 <Heinervdm> JaMa: in shr/merge
Oct 22 10:29:16 <JaMa> Heinervdm: log?
Oct 22 10:29:41 <mickey|office> mrmoku: i will build a console-image for my gta02 when I'm home; then check what's going on
Oct 22 10:30:44 <JaMa> Heinervdm: someone said that libX11 fails to build docs for him..
Oct 22 10:31:08 <rebelThor> JaMa: I think that was me
Oct 22 10:31:42 <Heinervdm> JaMa: http://shr.pastebin.com/m509f0965
Oct 22 10:32:21 <rebelThor> Heinervdm: I had the same error (or very similar at least), what I did to solve it was to install "groff" on the buildhost
Oct 22 10:34:28 * JaMa has groff on buildhost..
Oct 22 10:35:19 <rebelThor> JaMa: weird thing is, somehow I had the "groff" binary on the buildhost, but the actual package on my ubuntu system was not installed.. so a sudo apt-get install groff did the trick
Oct 22 10:37:12 <JaMa> rebelThor: you can check where did that groff binary come from.. (dpkg -S file IRC)
Oct 22 10:37:39 <JaMa> rebelThor: but its probably from groff package now, when you installed id
Oct 22 10:37:44 <JaMa> s/id/it/
Oct 22 10:37:45 <apt> JaMa meant: rebelThor: but its probably from groff package now, when you installed it
Oct 22 10:39:48 <rebelThor> Heinervdm: I'm on the libx11_1.3.1.bb, do_compile myself right now ;) let you know in a couple of minutes if it works
Oct 22 10:45:42 <mickey|office> yo vegt
Oct 22 10:45:44 <mickey|office> err
Oct 22 10:45:47 <mickey|office> yo vegyraupe 
Oct 22 10:45:54 <vegyraupe> hey mickey|office
Oct 22 10:46:10 <JesusMcCloud> Hi there! anyone any idea if the latest update (today 7 o'clock UTC or somethign like that) fixes fsousaged?
Oct 22 10:46:23 <vegyraupe> mickey|office: how's life ?
Oct 22 10:46:56 <Heinervdm> JesusMcCloud: no, it's not fixed
Oct 22 10:47:04 <mickey|office> vegyraupe: not bad. you?
Oct 22 10:47:28 <vegyraupe> mickey|office: not too bad either could be better ofc :)
Oct 22 10:47:37 <JesusMcCloud> Heinervdm: grml, i was hoping since i saw new revisions of ousaged libfosframewor0 etc...
Oct 22 10:47:46 <mickey|office> i'd appreciating if someone could do a binary search to check which revision broke it
Oct 22 10:48:05 <vanous123> Heinervdm: re: pyqt, where would I find the recipe? 
Oct 22 10:48:19 <mickey|office> vegyraupe: hehe. qi-hardware progressing as you want?
Oct 22 10:48:54 <JesusMcCloud> mickey|office: i ca stil get an ousage daemon working if i use legacy ousaged
Oct 22 10:48:55 <Heinervdm> vanous123: recipe/python/python-pyqt in openembedded
Oct 22 10:49:15 <vanous123> Heinervdm: thank you
Oct 22 10:49:53 <rebelThor> Heinervdm: btw, ibx11_1.3.1 compiled successfully, so installing groff should do the job for you
Oct 22 10:49:58 <mickey|office> JesusMcCloud: that's good, but not a solution :) i really need a last known-good rev
Oct 22 10:50:54 <JesusMcCloud> mickey|office, i am the wrong person to talk to, but afaik it broke yesterday evening/night CEST
Oct 22 10:50:57 <Heinervdm> mickey|office: that is the build that broke it, will search for the previus
Oct 22 10:50:58 <Heinervdm> http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builds/35161/
Oct 22 10:52:30 <vegyraupe> mickey|office: not as fast as I want, but I am spoiled from working by myself :)
Oct 22 10:52:46 <mickey|office> vegyraupe: right, a team is always somewhat slower
Oct 22 10:53:21 <JesusMcCloud> is it possible that this might just be a minor bug like typo ? framweworkd. complaisn that ousaged is not present until you switch to ousaged instead of fsousaged
Oct 22 10:53:23 <vegyraupe> mickey|office: in the beginning def, but I think there is so many things I don't have to worry about because we have a team that I really can't complain ;)
Oct 22 10:53:41 <mickey|office> sounds good, really
Oct 22 10:55:10 <khiraly1> hi
Oct 22 10:55:34 <Heinervdm> hmm last build of fsousaged: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/builds/34126/ that are a lot of revisions
Oct 22 10:55:54 <mickey|office> :/
Oct 22 10:57:02 <khiraly1> maybe you can help me out guys;)
Oct 22 10:57:27 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb4c2e04416da 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/atcommands.vala: fsogsmd: atcommands: allow encoding the +CRSM payload result in "", some modems do that (palm pre, for a start)
Oct 22 10:57:42 <khiraly1> When the freerunner goes suspend, and wakes up, my program freeze. (not completely, there are some partion of the e gui which works, but I cant enter text in the elementary.Entry)
Oct 22 10:57:57 <khiraly1> is there some thing which I need to take care when suspend?
Oct 22 10:57:58 <mrmoku> mickey|office: http://shr.pastebin.com/mb6ab679 is all that fsousaged says on startup... should say more, no?
Oct 22 10:58:24 <khiraly1> i dont use dbus. Just plain python with elementary+edje gui
Oct 22 10:58:50 <mickey|office> mrmoku: that's lacking. it doesn't load the controller plugin
Oct 22 10:58:57 <mickey|office> erm
Oct 22 10:59:01 <mickey|office> are you sure you followed my WARNING?
Oct 22 10:59:10 <mickey|office> when i moved the plugin name
Oct 22 10:59:20 * mickey|office starts looking like a teacher
Oct 22 10:59:28 <mickey|office> bad marks for you
Oct 22 11:00:15 * mrmoku hides in shame and stays in the corner for the next hour :|
Oct 22 11:00:19 <Heinervdm> mickey|office: yes this is the first build with new controller
Oct 22 11:00:43 <mickey|office> so you did catch up with the name, right?
Oct 22 11:00:46 <mrmoku> but first grep the bip logs for what I have to do :P
Oct 22 11:00:47 * mickey|office hints at http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=commitdiff;h=d921d41bb708c97a042117c7ee6b4b28d88f3328
Oct 22 11:01:22 <mrmoku> mickey|office: -    return "fsousage.controller";
Oct 22 11:01:22 <mrmoku> +    return "fsousage.dbus_service";
Oct 22 11:01:28 <mrmoku> is the interesting part for me, right?
Oct 22 11:01:35 <mickey|office> correct
Oct 22 11:01:43 <mrmoku> sorry for the noise...
Oct 22 11:01:53 <mickey|office> np, i should perhaps have mailed 
Oct 22 11:02:03 <Heinervdm> mickey|office: next thing: http://shr.pastebin.com/m398fae52 it's from shr/merge, merged 10 minutes ago
Oct 22 11:02:46 <mrmoku> mickey|office: and we have to change the recipes I guess
Oct 22 11:03:16 <mickey|office> mrmoku: i don't think so
Oct 22 11:03:22 <mickey|office> or do you explicitly mention the plugins in FILES?
Oct 22 11:03:50 <mickey|office> Heinervdm: that looks like a too old vala-dbus-binding-tool
Oct 22 11:03:59 <mickey|office> Heinervdm: or libgee-native not built
Oct 22 11:04:02 <mrmoku> mickey|office: just changing it to dbus_service gives me: http://shr.pastebin.com/m62970d16
Oct 22 11:04:21 <khiraly1> hmm
Oct 22 11:04:30 <mickey|office> mrmoku: that's somewhat better
Oct 22 11:04:40 <mickey|office> mrmoku: now we need to find why it SIGSEGVs
Oct 22 11:04:56 <mickey|office> mrmoku: could you get me a bt?
Oct 22 11:06:33 <mrmoku> mickey|office: ok
Oct 22 11:06:36 * mrmoku installs gdb
Oct 22 11:08:07 <mickey|office> vegyraupe: of course, we're all waiting for an open smartphone from you guys
Oct 22 11:09:40 <Heinervdm> mickey|office: oh vala-dbus-binding-tool-native was set to a346ea6a92edbfd7287cc5b7feb43c70fbea64b2 not to AUTOREV
Oct 22 11:09:55 <mickey|office> Heinervdm: *nod*
Oct 22 11:10:32 <vegyraupe> mickey|office: got 1 -2 mio € to spare ? ;)
Oct 22 11:10:56 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: merge or import?
Oct 22 11:10:58 <mrmoku> merge IIRC
Oct 22 11:11:05 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: yes
Oct 22 11:11:07 <vegyraupe> mickey|office: speaking of open phone, hwo is the palm pre effort going ?
Oct 22 11:11:33 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: setting back to AUTOREV... moment
Oct 22 11:12:18 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: done
Oct 22 11:12:58 <mrmoku> ohh... nooo
Oct 22 11:12:58 <mrmoku> opkg: fork failed
Oct 22 11:13:10 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: what did you change to get fsousaged runninging? in my frameworkd.conf there is already fsousaged.controller
Oct 22 11:13:38 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: just change the .controller to .dbus_service
Oct 22 11:13:52 <Heinervdm> oh, the other way around
Oct 22 11:14:27 <mrmoku> opkg is running a DOS attack on my phone :(
Oct 22 11:15:06 <Heinervdm> TAsn: what's with npkg :P
Oct 22 11:17:45 <Heinervdm> why do i have the bat applet again? i had the new one...
Oct 22 11:18:00 <Heinervdm> befor last upgrade
Oct 22 11:18:42 <naeg> which excact fso version does SHR use? if you use latest(git) it doesn't work
Oct 22 11:21:01 <Heinervdm> with updated config i'm still getting this and 8 parallel processes: 2009.10.22 13:19:27.879 frameworkd.resource  WARNING  Can't register resource CPU since ousaged is not present. Enabling device
Oct 22 11:22:14 <Heinervdm> nvm i misspelled it
Oct 22 11:23:43 <mrmoku> mickey|office: heh, interesting... I hardpowered my phone to reboot and install fsousaged-dbg with x turned off... and guess what... it works now
Oct 22 11:24:05 <mrmoku> can it be starting fsousaged manually on the console is not supposed to work anymore?
Oct 22 11:25:04 <mickey|office> mrmoku: no, that should still work
Oct 22 11:25:05 <mrmoku> alexxy: in /etc/frameworkd.conf search for fsousaged.controller and change that to fsousaged.dbus_service
Oct 22 11:25:28 <mrmoku> alexxy: after a reboot it should work again... ahh and change back to fsousaged from ousaged :)
Oct 22 11:25:34 <mrmoku> brb
Oct 22 11:25:41 <mickey|office> vegyraupe: palm pre research effort is progressing, stefan just blogged a summary
Oct 22 11:28:39 <vegyraupe> mickey|office: ah, lots of tech details
Oct 22 11:28:40 <vegyraupe> :)
Oct 22 11:31:50 <JaMa> Weiss: drivers/mfd/glamo/glamo-spi-gpio.c:277: error: expected ',' or ';' before 'static'
Oct 22 11:32:04 <JaMa> Weiss: in latest drm-tracking
Oct 22 11:33:03 <JesusMcCloud> can anyone post the fsousaged section (it is not there anymore) from his frameworkd.conf?
Oct 22 11:35:04 <JesusMcCloud> [fsousage.lowlevel_openmoko] i only have this line. is it not supposed to be [fsousage] followerd by three of four lines?
Oct 22 11:36:39 * JesusMcCloud found it
Oct 22 11:37:49 * mrmoku back after lunch
Oct 22 11:38:50 <JaMa> Weiss: nevermind.. same problem missing ; is in andy-tracking for a long time..
Oct 22 11:41:39 <kinneh> hi all my gsm has stopped work on shr-u is this known problem or have I dont something? http://filebin.gazonk.se/thebin/TRcSQWUQMnFMOiXXONBRI/frameworkd.log.txt
Oct 22 11:53:00 <Heinervdm> kinneh: do you use tests/mrmoku?
Oct 22 12:06:37 <khiraly1> (13.25.41) mickey|office: vegyraupe: palm pre research effort is progressing, stefan just blogged a summary
Oct 22 12:06:42 <khiraly1> mickey|office: any url?
Oct 22 12:07:34 <mickey|office> http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/weblog/archives/2009/10/index.html#e2009-10-21T21_16_37.txt
Oct 22 12:09:34 <raster> mickey|office: yo mickey!
Oct 22 12:10:11 <mickey|office> hey raster, how's it going?
Oct 22 12:10:43 <mickey|office> ~hail stefan_schmidt 
Oct 22 12:10:44 * apt bows down to stefan_schmidt and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Oct 22 12:11:10 * stefan_schmidt bows for everyone else
Oct 22 12:11:16 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|office: Anything special? :)
Oct 22 12:11:46 <playya_> JaMa, i just downgraded binutils to 2.19 and it works
Oct 22 12:11:53 <PaulFertser> stefan_schmidt: so is researching the binary procotol considered absolutely necessary to fulfil the goal?
Oct 22 12:12:01 <mickey|office> stefan_schmidt: the palm pre's passthrough mode is a tremendous help for me
Oct 22 12:12:31 <Ainulindale> mickey|office: you have a palm pre?
Oct 22 12:12:44 <mickey|office> Ainulindale: yes
Oct 22 12:12:50 <PaulFertser> Ainulindale: man you're missing all the interesting stuff lately
Oct 22 12:12:53 <stefan_schmidt> PaulFertser: We hope to that we maybe get away with the AT on the usb port. But I haven't got audio working yet and neither got a +CRING for incoming calls
Oct 22 12:12:56 <mickey|office> Ainulindale: how can i participate on the FSO Palm Pre Challenge without one? :)
Oct 22 12:13:21 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|office: ah, yes, its nice that almost all devices have somethinglike this nowadays
Oct 22 12:13:25 <Ainulindale> mickey|office: european version?
Oct 22 12:13:36 <JaMa> playya_: that's just wrong regexp.. rebelThor fixed it locally in configure script, which is better way to go...
Oct 22 12:13:41 <mickey|office> Ainulindale: yes, qwertzu keyboard, gsm1800/900
Oct 22 12:13:43 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: yeah I've got too much to do
Oct 22 12:13:45 * stefan_schmidt just another Palm Pre for rwithby
Oct 22 12:13:48 <Ainulindale> mickey|office: I hate you
Oct 22 12:13:53 <Ainulindale> I want one!
Oct 22 12:13:54 <mickey|office> Ainulindale: sorry :)
Oct 22 12:14:01 <PaulFertser> stefan_schmidt: ah, i thought that strange kernel scripts already allowed you to route audio.
Oct 22 12:14:02 <Ainulindale> Bearstech wants some palm pre!
Oct 22 12:14:13 <rebelThor> JaMa: I'd sent the patch, if I knew how and where :D
Oct 22 12:14:19 <rebelThor> s/sent/send
Oct 22 12:14:38 <stefan_schmidt> PaulFertser: yes, but I wasn't able to enable it yet when doing ATD on the usb port. Maybe just problems on my side
Oct 22 12:14:39 <playya_> JaMa, yes. it checks for 2.1[0-9]. but it was around 3:00 a.m. 
Oct 22 12:14:41 <JaMa> rebelThor: I'll do it.. its already creating rootfs for me :)
Oct 22 12:15:10 <stefan_schmidt> Ainulindale: khorben should be able to just buy them in any O2 store for 481. Just did that again
Oct 22 12:15:13 <playya_> and i don't want to patch glibc, because this needs a lot of testing
Oct 22 12:15:35 <PaulFertser> stefan_schmidt: were you able to get any help from palm devs? They promised to be free software friendly and said they enjoyed "rooting" iirc.
Oct 22 12:15:37 <JaMa> playya_: what? this small regexp fix? :)
Oct 22 12:15:46 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt: AAaaaaaaaaayye!
Oct 22 12:16:15 <stefan_schmidt> PaulFertser: did not try yet
Oct 22 12:16:16 <JaMa> playya_: with binutils-2.19.50.0.3 you have 2.20 snapshot.. so its not so big change.. 
Oct 22 12:17:21 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r20798692daab 10/fsogsmd/ (5 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: add 3rdparty directory for C code we 'borrow' from other projects
Oct 22 12:17:41 <Ainulindale> stefan_schmidt, mickey|office : by the by http://tomayko.com/writings/the-thing-about-git
Oct 22 12:17:48 <Ainulindale> Might be of interest to yoiu
Oct 22 12:17:51 <Ainulindale> -i
Oct 22 12:18:02 <mickey|office> oh, cool,
Oct 22 12:18:03 <mickey|office> thanks
Oct 22 12:18:05 <PaulFertser> stefan_schmidt and all others: i really wish good luck with your freeing pre sprint, and hope you enjoy it.
Oct 22 12:18:20 <Ainulindale> PaulFertser: meh!
Oct 22 12:19:02 <playya_> JaMa, i didn't want to google for compability. the glibc devs know which binutils version are good and which not.
Oct 22 12:22:17 <kinneh> Heinervdm no i dont think so
Oct 22 12:22:55 <stefan_schmidt> PaulFertser: thanks, it's fun so far :)
Oct 22 12:22:56 <Heinervdm> kinneh: then last update for unstable is 1 month ago, and everything is running with that
Oct 22 12:23:29 <kinneh> what is mrmoku ?
Oct 22 12:24:00 <kinneh> well maybe I should reinstall then :-/
Oct 22 12:25:01 * mrmoku is mrmoku :P
Oct 22 12:25:09 <spaetz> I really really want to have updated -unstable again. Even if that means including slightly buggy stuff or slower resume...
Oct 22 12:25:30 <spaetz> following tests/mrmoku just feels plain wrong :)
Oct 22 12:25:32 <Ainulindale> Yeah, the "mrmoku" branch should be in unstable :-)
Oct 22 12:25:36 <Ainulindale> And unstable in testing
Oct 22 12:25:41 <spaetz> Ainulindale: right :)
Oct 22 12:25:50 <Ainulindale> (Aaaaaaah if only I could lift a finger for SHR)
Oct 22 12:25:56 <tmzt> PaulFertser: the policy we've gotten from Palm devs is they can comment on things we have already found, but can't give how or why or something like that
Oct 22 12:25:59 <JesusMcCloud> spaetz, does it mean, there is still on info why resume is so slow?
Oct 22 12:26:00 <Ainulindale> (I'm in a meeting right now for a project :-/)
Oct 22 12:26:32 <spaetz> JesusMcCloud: i'm not into that. But apparently it depends on various combinations of kernels and graphics drivers
Oct 22 12:26:40 <JaMa> rebelThor: and patches are created by git format-patch commitish; and then send to shr-devel@lists.shr-project.org and then you can check them in http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/project/SHR/list/
Oct 22 12:26:43 <spaetz> people are seeing resume from 1.5-8 seconds
Oct 22 12:27:17 <JaMa> rebelThor: you can use git send-email directly with commit or with generated patch (if you want to check actual file before sending)
Oct 22 12:27:28 <PaulFertser> tmzt: i wonder what would be the harm if one of them shared some info anonymously...
Oct 22 12:27:32 <spaetz> Ainulindale: time for SHR should have been part of your job negotiations :P
Oct 22 12:27:44 <Ainulindale> No
Oct 22 12:27:46 <Ainulindale> I don't want that
Oct 22 12:27:50 <Ainulindale> I don't want to be paid for SHR
Oct 22 12:27:55 <spaetz> I see
Oct 22 12:27:56 <Ainulindale> It's totally out of the question
Oct 22 12:28:04 <Ainulindale> At least for me
Oct 22 12:28:14 <spaetz> although it wouldn't be the worst of all options...
Oct 22 12:28:20 <Ainulindale> Well
Oct 22 12:28:25 <JesusMcCloud> spaetz: i have about 8 secs which is hella slow (i was at <1sec till incoming call screen appeared before upgrade)
Oct 22 12:28:28 <Ainulindale> If I were to get paid I'd be privileged
Oct 22 12:28:32 <Ainulindale> I don't like that
Oct 22 12:29:05 <spaetz> Ainulindale: nahh, there's plenty projects with paid developers who aren't priviledged. They can just spend more time than others... :)
Oct 22 12:29:11 <spaetz> But, I see you reasoning
Oct 22 12:29:15 <Ainulindale> Heh
Oct 22 12:29:28 <spaetz> +r
Oct 22 12:29:30 <Ainulindale> If I had money to spend on SHR I'd give it to the appropriate people that's for sure
Oct 22 12:29:33 <Ainulindale> (and mainly FSO guys)
Oct 22 12:30:15 <spaetz> Ainulindale: -1 on that. I have bad experiences with paying one guy (mainly from donations). It nearly killed the Freenetproject back in 2001
Oct 22 12:30:15 <Heinervdm> JesusMcCloud: i hope Weiss is researching it. our combination of xf86-video-glamo needs 6-8 seconds with andy-tracking. if you use xf86-video-fbdev with andy-tracking then you get 1.5 seconds
Oct 22 12:30:30 <Ainulindale> spaetz: I meant "give" as in contracting
Oct 22 12:30:30 <spaetz> as everyone else stopped contributing and everyone was just discussing and proposing
Oct 22 12:30:42 <Ainulindale> Simple task for a simple application
Oct 22 12:30:48 <Ainulindale> Or bounties
Oct 22 12:30:54 <spaetz> bounties would be nice
Oct 22 12:30:59 <Ainulindale> Yeah
Oct 22 12:31:02 <Heinervdm> JesusMcCloud: an update to 2.6.31 should solve this issue, but for this we have to wait for a sane kernel config for 2.6.31
Oct 22 12:32:45 <JaMa> mrmoku: cookies :), please apply http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/347/ also to shr/merge it applies cleanly here..
Oct 22 12:33:03 <JesusMcCloud> Heinervdm: i dont want to use fbdev, since i already noticed nice advantages of glamo form the end user perspective
Oct 22 12:33:31 <Heinervdm> JesusMcCloud: it would be just a workaround till the 2.6.31 kernel arrives
Oct 22 12:33:49 <JaMa> someone tried 2.6.31?
Oct 22 12:33:52 <Heinervdm> glamo is faster then fbdev
Oct 22 12:34:04 <Heinervdm> JaMa: there is not touch driver for 2.6.31
Oct 22 12:34:06 <Heinervdm> i think
Oct 22 12:34:08 <JesusMcCloud> fbdev is installed anaways is it, so woudl update-alternatives work?
Oct 22 12:34:30 <Heinervdm> JesusMcCloud: no you have to install it, and change xorg.conf
Oct 22 12:34:32 <JesusMcCloud> glamo IS faster i noticed
Oct 22 12:34:48 <Heinervdm> but not so much
Oct 22 12:35:22 <JaMa> Heinervdm: if its boot, its ok for me even without touch driver :)
Oct 22 12:35:52 <JesusMcCloud> it makes diffecence on some animations where fbdev would give you just not enough for it to look fluent and glamo will make it look nice and smooth
Oct 22 12:36:36 <Heinervdm> JaMa: you can try om-2.6.31 branche with gta02_defconfig
Oct 22 12:37:24 <mrmoku> JaMa: especially good the cookies this time... (right after lunch :)
Oct 22 12:37:27 <raster> fbdev or x - u go thru the same framebuffer
Oct 22 12:37:41 <raster> glamo just may accelerate some operations - if the app happens to use them
Oct 22 12:38:31 <JaMa> Heinervdm: I have it prepared in my branch.. but I'm scared to boot it :)
Oct 22 12:39:14 <JaMa> Heinervdm: especially, because I'm accessing my neo only remotely last days
Oct 22 12:39:36 <JesusMcCloud> raster: some thins just seem to feel a little smoother
Oct 22 12:39:47 <JesusMcCloud> maybe its just imagination
Oct 22 12:40:38 <raster> it depends what app, what toolkit, what operation
Oct 22 12:40:51 <raster> with fbdev apps can take a shortcut and avoid 1 copy - possibly
Oct 22 12:40:56 <Heinervdm> JaMa: then you should wait, till you can hold it in your hands ;)
Oct 22 12:41:02 <raster> (depending on the app and rendering pipeline)
Oct 22 12:41:31 <JesusMcCloud> raster, i just know many factors play a role but the detaisl are way over my head
Oct 22 12:41:50 <JaMa> Heinervdm: or send you an uImage :)
Oct 22 12:42:20 <Heinervdm> JaMa: i should do an installation on sd card for things like that ;)
Oct 22 12:42:35 <Heinervdm> JaMa: i build the kernel too
Oct 22 12:42:36 <JaMa> Heinervdm: but now I'm rebuilding gcc/glibc with new binutils..
Oct 22 12:43:17 <JaMa> Heinervdm: I'm using installation on sd card for all experiments  :)
Oct 22 12:43:39 <JaMa> Heinervdm: there is just latest qtmoko on my flash
Oct 22 12:43:40 <raster> JesusMcCloud: as i said. any efl app is likely to actually be faster in the fb as nothing efl does has any acceleration on glamo so it's using a pure software rendering engine
Oct 22 12:43:51 <raster> it could use xrender- there is an engine, but it will be much slower
Oct 22 12:44:14 <raster> thus it usnt used. theres a gl engine - but again. no gl on the glamo
Oct 22 12:44:19 * mrmoku tried xrender the other day :P
Oct 22 12:44:43 <mrmoku> and switched back...
Oct 22 12:45:13 <raster> hehehe
Oct 22 12:45:19 <raster> well in theory if glamo could do all of xrender
Oct 22 12:45:27 <raster> then if u implem,ented the xrender accl
Oct 22 12:45:30 <raster> it may be nice and fast
Oct 22 12:45:39 <raster> problem is.. its limited in what it can do in 2d op accel
Oct 22 12:45:52 <raster> i only figured that out aftera  good read of the glamo hw programming specs/docs
Oct 22 12:46:33 <raster> and then i got quite unexcited  and i realised.. even the bits it did accel - u'd get speedups, u'd lose on the bits it didnt as u'd be doing software fallbacks across the glamo video bus
Oct 22 12:46:37 <raster> and we know how fast that baby is
Oct 22 12:46:38 <raster> :)
Oct 22 12:46:51 <raster> evas has a gl (gles2.0 even) engine
Oct 22 12:47:01 <raster> if u had a device with a 3d gles2.0 capable core
Oct 22 12:47:07 <raster> and the libs... u could use that
Oct 22 12:47:41 <mrmoku> yeah... if we had such a device... :|
Oct 22 12:49:03 <DocScrutinizer-8> raster: booo
Oct 22 12:49:41 <raster> DocScrutinizer-8:  bew2!
Oct 22 12:49:49 <raster> mrmoku: n900... :)
Oct 22 12:49:53 <raster> it should do all that
Oct 22 12:50:05 <raster> i'm actuyally adding 2.5d (fake 3d) to evas right now
Oct 22 12:50:15 <raster> u can rotate stuff... and shear and perspective-it :)
Oct 22 12:52:23 <mrmoku> hmm
Oct 22 12:52:25 <mickey|office> wah!
Oct 22 12:52:30 <mickey|office> good news
Oct 22 12:53:51 <mrmoku> raster: waiting for DocScrutinizer-8 to report :)
Oct 22 12:54:22 <mrmoku> mickey|office: phone call on palm pre?
Oct 22 12:54:27 <raster> mickey|office:  sorry missed you. :) going good. hows things frankfurt-way?
Oct 22 12:54:54 <raster> mickey|office: yeah. elementary and evas are having a lot of attention. i redid the gl engi0ne to be gl+gles (does both) and cleaned it up a lot
Oct 22 12:55:01 <mickey|office> mrmoku: no, raster's 2.5d
Oct 22 12:55:22 <raster> and now adding "fake" 3d to evas. its enough for effect. not perspective-correct texture mapping, but its good enough for rotates and dlips
Oct 22 12:55:25 <mickey|office> raster: so so, nothing too exciting wrt. jobs, but otherwise pretty well. making amazing progress w/ fso2
Oct 22 12:55:41 <raster> right now u can easily rotate an image at any angle - just provide a map for it
Oct 22 12:56:00 <raster> (a map is 4 points which have x, y and z each and texture u,v coords that are in the image pixel coord space)
Oct 22 12:56:05 <raster> and then set themap and enable it
Oct 22 12:56:17 <raster> i'll add convenience calls eventually
Oct 22 12:57:06 <raster> mickey|office: ooh boring time-fillers for jobs? :( boo
Oct 22 12:57:23 <mickey|office> indeed
Oct 22 12:57:37 <raster> you're hacking up the pre now, right?
Oct 22 12:58:11 <DocScrutinizer-8> I'd prefer the N900 gets hacked up
Oct 22 12:58:25 <raster> mickey|office:  what do u think of it?
Oct 22 12:58:32 <mickey|office> pre is excellent
Oct 22 12:58:38 <mickey|office> a great piece of hardware and software
Oct 22 12:58:39 <raster> it seems interal hw is good
Oct 22 12:58:49 <mickey|office> quality is a bit too plastic, but well
Oct 22 12:58:53 <raster> the screen is ok. i found it a little fuzzy actually. probably all the finger smudges
Oct 22 12:58:58 <mickey|office> i love the ts
Oct 22 12:59:07 <mickey|office> gives a better feeling than the iphone
Oct 22 12:59:07 * stefan_schmidt is running his own kernel on the Pre. Do this with the N900 :D
Oct 22 12:59:11 <raster> os was a little odd - ui sometiems has odd little jerks
Oct 22 12:59:22 <raster> stefan_schmidt: cool :)
Oct 22 12:59:33 <raster> is pal making any afforts to make your life hard?
Oct 22 12:59:41 <stefan_schmidt> nope
Oct 22 12:59:41 <mickey|office> hardly any
Oct 22 12:59:45 <raster> or are they even quietly reaching out to help and maybe one day make use of your work?
Oct 22 12:59:57 <stefan_schmidt> they don't open up their coreOS but nothing else
Oct 22 13:00:03 <stefan_schmidt> no crspto anything
Oct 22 13:00:15 <stefan_schmidt> nice bootloader for recovery, etc
Oct 22 13:00:20 <raster> thats good
Oct 22 13:00:30 <raster> i'm still on the fence with the pre
Oct 22 13:00:34 <DocScrutinizer-8> stefan_schmidt: what's the problem with running your own kernel on N900?
Oct 22 13:00:36 <raster> do u have working gles libs?
Oct 22 13:00:38 <stefan_schmidt> raster: no idea if thea are interested in our work
Oct 22 13:00:41 <raster> have u tried the TI ones?
Oct 22 13:00:50 <stefan_schmidt> raster: They could hire us to move to FSO2 :)
Oct 22 13:00:57 <raster> they could indeed
Oct 22 13:01:07 <stefan_schmidt> raster: did not try yet
Oct 22 13:01:32 <stefan_schmidt> DocScrutinizer-8: Is the code for the charging and all other sources available?
Oct 22 13:01:32 <stefan_schmidt> Would need to check but I heard different
Oct 22 13:01:44 <alphaone> It's quite uncanny how many similarities their system has to fso
Oct 22 13:01:54 <DocScrutinizer-8> not for all drivers
Oct 22 13:02:20 <stefan_schmidt> DocScrutinizer-8: but flashing goes without any signatures, etc?
Oct 22 13:02:24 <PaulFertser> stefan_schmidt: also i doubt proprietary kernel modules for n900 are legally possible.
Oct 22 13:02:30 <DocScrutinizer-8> but there's mer which aiui is working towards getting a completely open kernel on N-series
Oct 22 13:02:48 <stefan_schmidt> PaulFertser: well, that another problem. Let it to the lawyers. :)
Oct 22 13:03:03 <stefan_schmidt> DocScrutinizer-8: ok, that sounds good
Oct 22 13:03:13 <DocScrutinizer-8> stefan_schmidt: yes, aiui you can flash whatever you like
Oct 22 13:03:25 <stefan_schmidt> DocScrutinizer-8: that's better then I thought then.
Oct 22 13:03:34 <DocScrutinizer-8> maybe it doesn't work then  ;-P
Oct 22 13:03:43 <stefan_schmidt> lol
Oct 22 13:03:54 <DocScrutinizer-8> but even on gta01 we got closed drivers
Oct 22 13:04:11 <PaulFertser> stefan_schmidt: i think Harald can comment on that one but i'm pretty sure that you can't link proprietary code you wrote specifically for the linux.
Oct 22 13:04:13 <stefan_schmidt> DocScrutinizer-8: and it sucked hell as we all learned
Oct 22 13:04:22 <DocScrutinizer-8> sure
Oct 22 13:04:42 <DocScrutinizer-8> but we also managed to get around that
Oct 22 13:04:47 <stefan_schmidt> PaulFertser: Harald has indeed an opinion on this but going through all this will get a real legal battle.
Oct 22 13:05:17 <stefan_schmidt> DocScrutinizer-8: you mean by not using such a thing the next time? ;)
Oct 22 13:05:39 <stefan_schmidt> DocScrutinizer-8: Anyway, all details. What I want is a solid platform for FSO
Oct 22 13:05:43 <DocScrutinizer-8> heh, obviously not for N900
Oct 22 13:05:49 <stefan_schmidt> We will keep the kernel for now anyway.
Oct 22 13:05:52 <PaulFertser> stefan_schmidt: it's ironic how often people that want only love and peace for everyone are forced to fight for that.
Oct 22 13:06:22 <stefan_schmidt> PaulFertser: Isn't that the history of the human race anyway. :)
Oct 22 13:06:45 <DocScrutinizer-8> stefan_schmidt: but to me it seems Nokia is even helping mer guys with opening some closed docs to them
Oct 22 13:07:22 <DocScrutinizer-8> at least mer claims to get a *open* kernel on N-series eventually
Oct 22 13:07:35 <stefan_schmidt> thats cool news
Oct 22 13:07:44 <DocScrutinizer-8> and seems they make good progress
Oct 22 13:10:15 <DocScrutinizer> stefan_schmidt: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Roadmap
Oct 22 13:10:59 <mickey|office> for now we chose the Pre due to obvious reasons
Oct 22 13:11:17 <mickey|office> if the N900 gets open enough, it becomes interesting as well
Oct 22 13:12:31 <raster> mickey|office: i hear the protocol for modem for n900 is isi - binary, but word is it should/will be open
Oct 22 13:12:41 <raster> theres an ofono isi plugin 
Oct 22 13:13:34 <mickey|office> yeah, should be simple enough to add to (fs)ogsmd
Oct 22 13:14:17 <raster> cool
Oct 22 13:14:27 <raster> right now tho the n900 looks like a better device
Oct 22 13:14:32 <raster> they have the same guts (pre and n900)
Oct 22 13:14:40 <raster> screen res will just make the n900 slower
Oct 22 13:14:46 <raster> not sure thats really anything great
Oct 22 13:14:57 <raster> but the pre's kbd is pretty awful :)
Oct 22 13:15:03 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Oct 22 13:15:05 <raster> it feels a little.. plasticy
Oct 22 13:15:10 <stefan_schmidt> raster: I got really used to it pretty fast
Oct 22 13:15:21 <stefan_schmidt> even doing SMS to my gf now. Never did before. :)
Oct 22 13:15:21 <raster> stefan_schmidt:  ok. i just played with one for a few hrs
Oct 22 13:15:32 <raster> its a good phone.
Oct 22 13:15:37 <stefan_schmidt> raster: After 1.5 days I really liked it
Oct 22 13:15:38 <raster> it has its quirks like all of them
Oct 22 13:15:45 <stefan_schmidt> Still other kb can be better
Oct 22 13:15:50 <mickey|office> don't forget it's also a taste of size
Oct 22 13:15:53 <stefan_schmidt> yeah, exactly
Oct 22 13:15:53 <mickey|office> i love the pre since it's small
Oct 22 13:15:59 <mickey|office> the n900 is a brick
Oct 22 13:15:59 <DocScrutinizer> Pre has no external uSD slot?
Oct 22 13:16:24 <DocScrutinizer> I *love* bricks ;-)
Oct 22 13:16:30 <mickey|office> like i said
Oct 22 13:16:32 <mickey|office> it's taste
Oct 22 13:16:36 <raster> mickey|office:  oh indeed. its small. pre is more like what gta03 should have been :)
Oct 22 13:16:41 <mickey|office> yep
Oct 22 13:17:26 <raster> i think an open phone that is good.. is on the horizon
Oct 22 13:17:33 <raster> dont think u'll be getting schamatics alal om
Oct 22 13:17:37 <raster> but at least a fully open core
Oct 22 13:17:45 <raster> (kernel, windoowing system, libs, telephony)
Oct 22 13:17:54 <raster> u'l get closed vendor/telco apps on top
Oct 22 13:18:05 <DocScrutinizer> raster: fortune telling? ;-)
Oct 22 13:18:14 <raster> and maybe closed core apps (eg phonebook, launcher) etc. that the makers just dont want to open up to keep an identity for themselves
Oct 22 13:18:30 <raster> but... nothing that will stop people creating a world of their own.. if they like
Oct 22 13:18:52 <raster> DocScrutinizer: just my usual hoping for the best.. and  basing it on the directions i've been seeing everyone going in
Oct 22 13:18:53 <raster> :)
Oct 22 13:19:31 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Oct 22 13:19:33 <DocScrutinizer> aah, I thought you're more specific about secrets only you know about right now
Oct 22 13:19:42 <raster> nah
Oct 22 13:19:51 <raster> if i have my way... it will happen
Oct 22 13:19:58 <raster> not " i think thats where its going"
Oct 22 13:20:00 <raster> no doubt about that
Oct 22 13:20:19 <raster> opening up the hw (schematics etc.) just isnt my thing so i'm never going to fight or ask for it
Oct 22 13:20:31 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Oct 22 13:20:34 <raster> i'm a pragamtist and understand companeis want to keep an identity
Oct 22 13:20:54 <Heinervdm> imlib2-config is in imlib2-dev but it's not in staging...
Oct 22 13:21:06 <raster> and most of that is in their own theme, theyr apps and how they work and feel
Oct 22 13:21:06 <raster> they can keep that stuff proprietary
Oct 22 13:21:15 <raster> as long as you are allowed to replace it without pain or hassle with open ones or your own proprietary stuff. if you so choose
Oct 22 13:24:22 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rcd92e547882c 10/fsogsmd/ (12 files in 4 dirs): fsogsmd: add 3rdparty code for certain format conversions
Oct 22 13:38:11 <mickey|office> remind me, was +CSCS a channel-specific setting on Calypso or global?
Oct 22 13:41:25 <spaetz> raster: sounds like you described the N900 :)
Oct 22 13:41:39 <spaetz> well, at least it's close
Oct 22 13:43:47 <raster> spaetz: have yet to see its software - i dont know how much is and isnt open
Oct 22 14:11:33 <JaMa> mrmoku: glibc-2.9 x binutils-2.20 cookie sent to oe.dev directly.. but you can eat it in shr/merge in advance :) http://patchwork.openembedded.org/patch/1151/
Oct 22 14:13:34 <JaMa> playya_: ^^
Oct 22 14:13:42 <DocScrutinizer> raster: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Roadmap and http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture
Oct 22 14:14:22 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: sent cookie for openbox and obconf, can you build it in shr/import?
Oct 22 14:15:18 <mrmoku> Heinervdm, JaMa: ok
Oct 22 14:15:29 <JaMa> vanous123: would you mind to get pyqt from shr/merge?
Oct 22 14:16:17 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * reef5bef22917 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcommand.vala atcommands.vala channel.vala modem.vala): fosgsmd: run through a sequence of test commands to negotiate the 'best' charset we can use.
Oct 22 14:16:33 <JaMa> vanous123: hmm but maybe its not so good idea to use shr/merge instead of shr/import :/ NOTE: preferred version 4.4.1 of qt4-x11-free not available (for item qt4x11)
Oct 22 14:19:39 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rf01541daddec 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: bind object focus stuff
Oct 22 14:20:55 <spaetz> is shr/import very different now from shr/merge?
Oct 22 14:21:25 <playya_> JaMa, if i try to apply your patch using git am it fails. patch works
Oct 22 14:21:53 <spaetz> switching to shr/merge would be one less loose end.
Oct 22 14:23:15 <mrmoku> spaetz: we will switch... as soon as we get the first working good image :)
Oct 22 14:23:42 <Heinervdm> spaetz: shr/merge has a lot of newer versions, new glib, glibc, binutils, ...
Oct 22 14:24:09 <Heinervdm> my image from today is again 105 MB...
Oct 22 14:24:32 <JaMa> playya_: how it fails?
Oct 22 14:25:18 <mrmoku> git somehow dislikes mismatching index when running git am
Oct 22 14:25:37 <JaMa> Heinervdm: for jff2? full image?
Oct 22 14:25:51 <Heinervdm> JaMa: jffs2 lite-image ;)
Oct 22 14:25:52 <mrmoku> playya_: already applied and pushed shr/merge with that patch
Oct 22 14:25:57 <JaMa> 103M 2009-10-22 14:17 ../tmpdir-dev-shr/deploy/glibc/images/om-gta02/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20091022-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
Oct 22 14:28:04 <playya_> mrmoku, thx
Oct 22 14:29:16 <JaMa> playya_: btw: glibc-initiall_2.9 didn't complain about binutils.. not sure why..
Oct 22 14:29:44 <playya_> i think initial uses the hosts tool
Oct 22 14:29:44 <spaetz> Heinervdm: still, switching to shr/merge would mean one branch less to keep in compilable state
Oct 22 14:30:00 <JaMa> playya_: ah.. complained.. but it wasnt fatal...
Oct 22 14:30:11 <Heinervdm> spaetz: yes, but first it has to be compilable ;)
Oct 22 14:30:24 <JaMa> playya_: I've binutils-2.20 on my buildhost too
Oct 22 14:30:51 <playya_> I'm on 2.19.1
Oct 22 14:31:13 <JaMa> checking version of /home/projects/OE/tmpdir-dev-shr/cross/armv4t/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.4.1/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/as... 2.20, bad
Oct 22 14:31:31 <JaMa> but then continued ok
Oct 22 14:32:08 <playya_> i just removed all stamps to test my navit/gypsy patches
Oct 22 14:32:19 <vanous123> JaMa: sorry, trying to get my tractor fixed so was gone... what were you saying?
Oct 22 14:32:54 <JaMa> playya_: its because glibc-initiall calls configure with --disable-sanity-checks probably..
Oct 22 14:33:01 <vanous123> JaMa: i would have to switch to shr import in order to try the pyqt packages?
Oct 22 14:33:15 <JaMa> vanous123: you're using shr/merge?
Oct 22 14:33:36 <JaMa> vanous123: I just offered to build pyqt for you.. but I'm using mostly shr/merge for builds..
Oct 22 14:33:55 <vanous123> JaMa: well, i am not sure anymore :)) i have shr-u with feeds changed to mrmoku/unstable
Oct 22 14:34:15 <JaMa> vanous123: thats shr/import.. :)
Oct 22 14:34:27 <JaMa> vanous123: if its quite usable its shr/import :)
Oct 22 14:34:38 <vanous123> JaMa: so packages from import will not work?
Oct 22 14:34:43 <vanous123> JaMa:  i can try :)
Oct 22 14:34:49 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rcd71bae64222 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/commandqueue.vala: libfsotransport: move command queue timeout into command class; this permits per-command timeouts
Oct 22 14:35:18 <JaMa> vanous123: I'll build it tomorrow for you from shr/import if nobody do it before..
Oct 22 14:35:22 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r06ea09afdfd2 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/atcommand.vala: fsogsmd: catch up with changes in libfsotransport command queue
Oct 22 14:35:56 <vanous123> JaMa: that would be great, thank you
Oct 22 14:36:10 <vanous123> JaMa: where are you from, Brno?
Oct 22 14:36:28 <JaMa> vanous123: Praha
Oct 22 14:36:56 <vanous123> JaMa: yeah Pha, and from CT, well i live close to Bouzov, not too far
Oct 22 14:37:16 <vanous123> JaMa: ok, thank you
Oct 22 14:37:44 <vanous123> JaMa: i will go try to get the tractor going, if you please can ping me when it builds, i will try, thank you
Oct 22 14:38:13 <JaMa> vanous123: ok.. but probably tomorrow as gf will arrive in 30 minutes :)
Oct 22 14:38:22 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: I built openbox... have to build obconf too?
Oct 22 14:38:28 <vanous123> JaMa: gf?
Oct 22 14:38:48 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: yes, obconf depends on openbox
Oct 22 14:39:01 <JaMa> vanous123: girlfriend
Oct 22 14:39:14 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: ok
Oct 22 14:39:25 <vanous123> JaMa: great, have a good evening
Oct 22 14:39:33 <JaMa> sure
Oct 22 14:44:59 <rebelThor> is the new SHR logo available somewhere for download?
Oct 22 14:46:10 <Heinervdm> rebelThor: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-logo.tar.gz
Oct 22 14:47:06 <Heinervdm> JaMa: we should switch shr/merge to phonuid and phonefsod instead of ophonkitd and libframeworkd-phonegui-efl
Oct 22 14:47:20 <alexxy> mrmoku: ping
Oct 22 14:47:38 <alexxy> mrmoku: what actualy should i change in config?
Oct 22 14:47:48 <alexxy> can you fix default one?
Oct 22 14:48:18 <Heinervdm> alexxy: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/685#comment:2
Oct 22 14:51:18 <JaMa> Heinervdm: already done..
Oct 22 14:51:50 <mickey|office> stefan_schmidt: btw., the palm pre seems to swallow all URC on the data node, not just the call related ones
Oct 22 14:52:27 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|office: ok, only tested cring. :(
Oct 22 14:52:42 <mickey|office> (which makes sense, but is surprising anyways, since the AT commands to enable them succeed)
Oct 22 14:53:30 <stefan_schmidt> well, maybe they just forgot to disable them as well ;)
Oct 22 14:53:36 <mickey|office> heh
Oct 22 14:53:46 <stefan_schmidt> I was suprised that ATD was workign at all
Oct 22 14:53:52 <rebelThor> Heinervdm: thanks
Oct 22 14:54:19 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|office: means we can cheat for an outgoing call for the challenge as long as we get audio working
Oct 22 14:54:25 <mickey|office> stefan_schmidt: they're actually using ATD on the data node to attach to gprs
Oct 22 14:54:30 <mickey|office> stefan_schmidt: you can see it in the call log :)
Oct 22 14:54:34 <stefan_schmidt> mickey|office: But middle term we need more work on the protocol
Oct 22 14:54:36 <mickey|office> (which is quite funny)
Oct 22 14:54:49 <stefan_schmidt> ah, that explains it. :)
Oct 22 14:54:49 <mickey|office> (protocol) agreed
Oct 22 14:57:43 <mrmoku> alexxy: can fix, yes
Oct 22 14:57:51 <mrmoku> (should finally fix it actually :)
Oct 22 14:57:57 <stefan_schmidt> time to move home, later
Oct 22 15:02:23 <CIA-26> SHR: 03mok 07shr-themes * ra832717d4b49 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/ (5 files in 5 dirs): frameworkd.conf: fsousage.controller --> fsousage.dbus_service
Oct 22 15:02:25 <CIA-26> SHR: 03mok 07shr-themes * r8d151c9cb58b 10/ (195 files in 9 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@shr.bearstech.com/shr-themes
Oct 22 15:24:52 <TAsn> mrmoku, that's the fsousage issue? ^
Oct 22 15:25:49 <TAsn> Heinervdm, postponed :|
Oct 22 15:26:00 <TAsn> I don't have enough time atm, and I prefer spending it on shr
Oct 22 15:26:04 <TAsn> (to get a working phone)
Oct 22 15:29:42 <mrmoku> TAsn: was my fault
Oct 22 15:29:54 <TAsn> damn you!
Oct 22 15:29:55 <TAsn> :)
Oct 22 15:29:58 <TAsn> j/k, can I upgrade?
Oct 22 15:30:27 * mrmoku forgot mickey's hint to change frameworkd config
Oct 22 15:30:27 <TAsn> :|
Oct 22 15:30:27 <mrmoku> building package-index right now
Oct 22 15:30:27 <mrmoku> just a min
Oct 22 15:30:27 <TAsn> thanks.
Oct 22 15:30:27 <TAsn> mrmoku, cool, what did you change in contacts btw?
Oct 22 15:30:31 <TAsn> oh, and please start working on messages as well
Oct 22 15:30:54 <mrmoku> hehe... right now I'm working a bit on the call screens
Oct 22 15:31:09 <TAsn> I think I'll add "mark as un/read" phoneui functions
Oct 22 15:31:14 <mrmoku> (and somehow I should start to do some daywork again too :P)
Oct 22 15:31:14 <rebelThor> will there be a "silent" button?
Oct 22 15:31:17 <TAsn> so we'll be able to control that.
Oct 22 15:31:18 <jonkristian> TAsn: You wanted to talk to me?
Oct 22 15:31:19 * rebelThor loves the silent button :P
Oct 22 15:31:19 <TAsn> mrmoku, hehe :)
Oct 22 15:31:22 <TAsn> jonkristian, YES.
Oct 22 15:31:23 <TAsn> pm.
Oct 22 15:32:37 <mrmoku> TAsn, alexxy: upgrade :)
Oct 22 15:32:48 <TAsn> dane schon
Oct 22 15:32:49 <TAsn> ;]
Oct 22 15:33:07 <TAsn> I don't know how to use the special german letters though ;)
Oct 22 15:36:04 <mrmoku> TAsn: and you missed the k ... in danke :)
Oct 22 15:36:17 <mrmoku> (and k is 7-bit ascii... so no excuse ;)
Oct 22 15:36:21 <TAsn> oops
Oct 22 15:36:27 <TAsn> I meant k ;)
Oct 22 15:36:27 <mrmoku> :)
Oct 22 15:36:33 <TAsn> you know I know about the k ;0
Oct 22 15:37:19 <mrmoku> yup... and on the other hand I would not even know a single letter of the hebrew word for thanks :|
Oct 22 15:37:36 <TAsn> hehe
Oct 22 15:37:42 <TAsn> the word is "toda"
Oct 22 15:37:46 <TAsn> in hebrew: תודה
Oct 22 15:38:16 <TAsn> copy paste and save it somewhere ;]
Oct 22 15:39:04 <mrmoku> :P
Oct 22 15:39:15 <TAsn> and if I'm really nice
Oct 22 15:39:15 <TAsn> it's
Oct 22 15:39:17 <TAsn> "toda raba"
Oct 22 15:39:26 <TAsn> in hebrew: תודה רבה
Oct 22 15:39:36 <TAsn> it's like thank you vs thank you very much.
Oct 22 15:39:41 <TAsn> mrmoku, though I prefer english ;]
Oct 22 15:39:58 <TAsn> so if I'm a good boy, just say " thanks"
Oct 22 15:39:59 <TAsn> :)
Oct 22 15:40:58 <TAsn> brb
Oct 22 15:44:02 <Heinervdm> JaMa|Away: the tar.gz Image really boots :)
Oct 22 15:45:27 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: btw. openbox and obconf is built too
Oct 22 15:45:48 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: thx :)
Oct 22 15:47:44 <alexxy> mrmoku: done =)
Oct 22 15:47:48 <alexxy> thx
Oct 22 15:48:09 <TAsn> Heinervdm, yay! :)
Oct 22 15:48:14 <JesusMcCloud> i finally decided to switch to libphoneui, so what do i have to install and what do i have to remove (are the current builds of the packages "stable")?
Oct 22 15:48:16 <TAsn> mrmoku, what about fbdevL
Oct 22 15:48:16 <TAsn> ?
Oct 22 15:48:22 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud, 
Oct 22 15:48:23 <TAsn> remove
Oct 22 15:48:38 <TAsn> ophonekitd libframeworkd-phonegui
Oct 22 15:48:53 <TAsn> libframeworkd-phonegui-efl and shr-* (apps/dialer/contacts)
Oct 22 15:48:55 <TAsn> and install
Oct 22 15:49:24 <TAsn> libphone-ui libphone-ui-shr phoneuid phonefsod phoneui-apps-* (messages/dialer/contacts)
Oct 22 15:49:32 <TAsn> and in the first brackets I also meant messages
Oct 22 15:49:33 <TAsn> and not apps
Oct 22 15:50:05 <JesusMcCloud> thx
Oct 22 15:51:52 <mrmoku> TAsn: still no go with fbdev
Oct 22 15:52:13 <TAsn> :|
Oct 22 15:52:14 <TAsn> same here.
Oct 22 15:52:15 <TAsn> btw,
Oct 22 15:52:18 <TAsn> image works
Oct 22 15:52:19 <TAsn> thanks :)
Oct 22 15:52:26 <mrmoku> yup, great even :)
Oct 22 15:52:38 <mrmoku> (which means I did one successfull phone call :P)
Oct 22 15:52:54 <soltys> wow ;)
Oct 22 15:52:55 <JesusMcCloud> lol
Oct 22 15:53:09 <soltys> mrmoku: when do you plan to sync feeds ?:P
Oct 22 15:53:17 <mrmoku> never ever :P
Oct 22 15:53:45 <soltys> ;(
Oct 22 15:53:55 <mrmoku> as then people will spank me when their phones break - now I can just tell them... see... why do you think it was in tests/mrmoku ;)
Oct 22 15:54:04 <JesusMcCloud> no srsly TAsn positively thrilled about libphoneui the other day
Oct 22 15:54:27 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: I was thinking about that theming thing we were talking about...
Oct 22 15:54:29 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn *was*
Oct 22 15:54:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, oops I didn't mean image
Oct 22 15:54:37 <TAsn> I meant upgrade :)
Oct 22 15:54:41 <mrmoku> I think I prefer the ENV version
Oct 22 15:55:04 <TAsn> mrmoku, it rocks
Oct 22 15:55:08 <soltys> ;)
Oct 22 15:55:09 <TAsn> just a few touch ups in messages app :)
Oct 22 15:55:18 <TAsn> mrmoku, what are you doing to the call apps btw?
Oct 22 15:55:18 <mrmoku> and call screens :)
Oct 22 15:55:40 <mrmoku> it already shows the photo... have to add sliders for volume and to hangup
Oct 22 15:55:47 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, sound good, since it is very easy to write a graphical thee switcher
Oct 22 15:55:52 <mrmoku> something like the draft in phoneui wiki
Oct 22 15:56:10 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: something like PHONEUI_THEME_SHR...
Oct 22 15:56:18 <JesusMcCloud> (i already see the code *wuahahah*)
Oct 22 15:56:28 <mrmoku> which points to a dir containing the edj's
Oct 22 15:56:32 <mrmoku> (and images)
Oct 22 15:56:33 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku this is up to you
Oct 22 15:57:12 <mrmoku> TAsn: it shows name *and* number now... in incoming and active call screen
Oct 22 15:57:28 <JesusMcCloud> the themes folder shoudl be fixed, so either use one edj for all gui elements or use subfolders
Oct 22 15:57:30 <mrmoku> and there is the request to show the duration
Oct 22 15:57:39 <mrmoku> and to keep the screen open after hangup
Oct 22 15:58:04 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: I very much prefer multiple edc files for editing
Oct 22 15:58:23 <mrmoku> I could compile them to one edj though...
Oct 22 15:58:46 <mrmoku> but there are also images...
Oct 22 15:59:03 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, this way we would not need subfolders and the ENV just tells libphoneui which edj to use as theme
Oct 22 15:59:14 <JesusMcCloud> cant the images be part of the edj?
Oct 22 15:59:30 <mrmoku> somehow yes I think... have to find out how to use them then
Oct 22 15:59:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, nice. :)
Oct 22 15:59:32 <JesusMcCloud> (i am not trying to tell you how to write your apps, it is just, that the possibility is there)
Oct 22 15:59:32 <TAsn> add the silder
Oct 22 15:59:35 <TAsn> even if it does nothing
Oct 22 15:59:36 <mrmoku> should not be problematic tough
Oct 22 15:59:38 <mrmoku> +h
Oct 22 15:59:42 <TAsn> and make template
Oct 22 15:59:45 <TAsn> phoneui_get_sound
Oct 22 15:59:49 <TAsn> and set_sound
Oct 22 15:59:52 * TAsn meant volume
Oct 22 15:59:56 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 22 16:00:34 <mrmoku> oohhh
Oct 22 16:00:35 <mrmoku> warning: failed to load external entity "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/docbook.xsl"
Oct 22 16:00:38 <mrmoku> compilation error: file /tmp/xmlto-xsl.AAHvSN line 4 element import
Oct 22 16:01:03 <mrmoku> while doing /usr/bin/xmlto -m ./doc/fontlib.xsl -o doc xhtml-nochunks ./doc/fontlib.xml
Oct 22 16:01:11 <playya_> libxfont mrmoku ?
Oct 22 16:01:25 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 22 16:02:21 <mrmoku> that link works though... hmm???
Oct 22 16:02:32 <playya_> it worked when i submitted the patch
Oct 22 16:02:37 <playya_> yes
Oct 22 16:02:51 <playya_> and if you run the command in the workdir, too
Oct 22 16:03:33 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, if you have decided what to do, just make sure to put it in shr wiki or sth like that so people know what to theme.
Oct 22 16:03:33 <JesusMcCloud> we might also dictate somethink like lubphoneui theme name must match elementary theme name, so graphical theme selector can automaticall set a theme that matches the elm theme (if exists) but i guess that goes way too far for now and has nothign to do with what we were talkign about
Oct 22 16:04:27 <mrmoku> playya_: strange thing....
Oct 22 16:04:34 <playya_> yup
Oct 22 16:05:03 <playya_> i try to update imagemagick because navit fails to convert images with the current version
Oct 22 16:05:10 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: yep, so PHONEUI_THEME_SHR=gry
Oct 22 16:05:30 <mrmoku> results in taking /usr/share/libphone-ui-shr/gry.edj
Oct 22 16:05:44 <JesusMcCloud> exactly
Oct 22 16:05:49 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud, 
Oct 22 16:05:54 <TAsn> btw, jsut to make sure you know
Oct 22 16:05:59 <TAsn> people can make
Oct 22 16:06:05 <TAsn> libphone-ui-tasn
Oct 22 16:06:10 <TAsn> that'll need special themes.
Oct 22 16:06:14 <TAsn> (different)
Oct 22 16:06:24 <JesusMcCloud> ok
Oct 22 16:06:27 <TAsn> just making sure.
Oct 22 16:06:28 <TAsn> :)
Oct 22 16:06:34 <JesusMcCloud> good to know
Oct 22 16:06:59 <JesusMcCloud> i am just thinking about theme contest (not that i have any use for the leather case)
Oct 22 16:07:11 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud, well
Oct 22 16:07:17 <TAsn> theme contest isn't about theming the shr apps.
Oct 22 16:07:23 <JesusMcCloud> and thinking about writing a list of what is needed to make a completely monolithic theme
Oct 22 16:07:52 <JesusMcCloud> if someone makes a dark theme and text isnt readable without theming shr apps, he has to do it aswell
Oct 22 16:08:38 <TAsn> of course.
Oct 22 16:08:45 <TAsn> but atm the shr apps
Oct 22 16:08:49 <TAsn> are not in their final version...
Oct 22 16:10:18 <JesusMcCloud> sure, but i think themers will be afraid of building dark themes, since everyone know what a pain in the ass it is to get the nEO theme to work properly, because libframeworkd-phonegui-efl ist really themable
Oct 22 16:10:25 <playya_> do we have xulrunner in the feeds?
Oct 22 16:10:51 <Heinervdm> playya_: no
Oct 22 16:10:58 <playya_> hmm. ok
Oct 22 16:11:56 <TAsn> mrmoku, we shouldn't force colors in our themes...
Oct 22 16:12:12 <TAsn> and this way we won't need to let themers go through all this pain.
Oct 22 16:12:20 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud, read my response to mrmoku.
Oct 22 16:12:22 <TAsn> ciao.
Oct 22 16:13:03 <JesusMcCloud> that is definetely the user-firendliest way
Oct 22 16:13:45 <TAsn> yes.
Oct 22 16:13:53 <DocScrutinizer-8> xulrunner? wtf?
Oct 22 16:14:51 <playya_> DocScrutinizer-8, i know it's a fat b*****
Oct 22 16:14:54 <JesusMcCloud> but how doable is it, since you eventaulla have to defin your own gui elements (keypad has "buttons" with 2 lines of text)
Oct 22 16:15:20 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud, we'll have to ask raster
Oct 22 16:15:23 <TAsn> but it's probably doable.
Oct 22 16:15:36 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm off.
Oct 22 16:15:48 <JesusMcCloud> ciao
Oct 22 16:16:02 <mrmoku> me too... for dinner
Oct 22 16:16:02 <mrmoku> bbl
Oct 22 16:16:12 <JesusMcCloud> mahlzeit
Oct 22 16:38:08 <alexxy> mrmoku|away: TAsn: Heinervdm: can anybody add cellhunter 0.5 http://ch.omoco.de/cellhunter/?hideintro=0&orderby=&beginat=
Oct 22 16:44:41 <JesusMcCloud>  /nick jMcCloud|away
Oct 22 16:49:53 <Heinervdm> alexxy: sent a patch
Oct 22 17:14:08 <DocScrutinizer> FSCK NOKIA!!!
Oct 22 17:16:03 <Zorkman2>  what?
Oct 22 17:16:11 <Zorkman2> hero source code?
Oct 22 17:16:35 <Zorkman2> oh no that's htc :)
Oct 22 17:16:48 * Tanuva 'd love to get more graphics performance out of the neo :/
Oct 22 17:17:18 * Zorkman2 is swapping his nokia n51 with a coworker for a htc touch2, just to be able to compare the neo better
Oct 22 17:17:35 <Zorkman2> think the touch2 will be a "pain in asshole" but we'll see..
Oct 22 17:19:01 <Zorkman2> Tanuva: a while ago I saw a picture of some graphics-test being played on three phones: the neo1973, the FR and some other phone
Oct 22 17:19:15 <Zorkman2> the most painfull thing was how slow the FR is compared to the neo1973
Oct 22 17:19:27 <Zorkman2> all praise Lord Glamo, the graphics decelerator
Oct 22 17:20:01 <Zorkman2> DocScrutinizer: N900! (knew i read something bad about nokia today :))
Oct 22 17:21:24 <Tanuva> Zorkman2: I still envy the developer of mokomaze.. atm my "game" is far simpler than hat in graphics but I still get <10fps (guessed) with sdl...
Oct 22 17:21:50 <Zorkman2> Tanuva: what game are you making?
Oct 22 17:22:11 <Zorkman2> Tanuva: with or withouth sound?
Oct 22 17:22:27 <Tanuva> some aircraft-in-a-maze top-down game... supposed to have gravity to be manipulated by accelerometers
Oct 22 17:22:41 <Tanuva> no sound, I hope to get some decent graphics or gameplay first
Oct 22 17:22:41 <Zorkman2> maybe when 320x240 works properly?
Oct 22 17:22:58 <Tanuva> but that scaling is horrible
Oct 22 17:23:05 <Tanuva> worth a try though
Oct 22 17:23:10 <Zorkman2> make it look retro then ;-)
Oct 22 17:23:16 <Zorkman2> pixels for the win :)
Oct 22 17:23:16 <Tanuva> :D
Oct 22 17:23:42 <lindi-> hmm, how do I do "mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.Resource.Suspend" with dbus-send?
Oct 22 17:24:25 <Zorkman2> Tanuva: just don't give up, i'm in dire need of a nice new game for my fr ;)
Oct 22 17:24:36 <Zorkman2> if you ever need a dumb end-user tester, just let me know
Oct 22 17:25:11 <TAsn> alexxy, open a ticket.
Oct 22 17:25:48 <Tanuva> then I'll continue it and see what it becomes :D
Oct 22 17:26:28 <TAsn> alexxy, nvm, I just noticed Heinervdm sent a patch :)
Oct 22 17:27:02 <TAsn> lindi-, I don't remember though it's terribly easy iirc, just read the manual, that's what I did.
Oct 22 17:27:44 <lindi-> TAsn: manual of what? ;)
Oct 22 17:28:05 <TAsn> dbus-send
Oct 22 17:28:08 <lindi-> TAsn: 'dbus-send --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.Resource.Suspend' does not print any errors but ogsmd does not print anything
Oct 22 17:28:19 <TAsn> oh, i c.
Oct 22 17:28:27 <TAsn> waht about frameworkd logs?
Oct 22 17:28:41 <lindi-> TAsn: my ogsmd logs to syslog
Oct 22 17:28:43 <alexxy> TAsn: what current status of bug with sms always marked as unread
Oct 22 17:28:59 <alexxy> also i dont see any notifications of incoming sms
Oct 22 17:29:02 <TAsn> alexxy, status "will fix"
Oct 22 17:29:16 <TAsn> alexxy, yeah, you need to change that in fso_triggers.py
Oct 22 17:29:19 <TAsn> sec i'll give you exact patch.
Oct 22 17:29:23 <Defiant> lindi-: you sure system is the right destination?
Oct 22 17:29:34 <lindi-> Defiant: i don't run session bus at all
Oct 22 17:30:01 <TAsn> alexxy, http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/opimd/oeventsd/
Oct 22 17:31:42 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8ace361d7b1b 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/atcommands.vala: fsogsmd: +COPS=?: apparantly both the long name and the short name can be missing
Oct 22 17:32:21 <alexxy> TAsn: so i should aply this 3 patches?
Oct 22 17:32:38 <TAsn> alexxy, there's only one patch there.
Oct 22 17:33:08 <alexxy> ohh sorry =) /me has a flue =(
Oct 22 17:35:31 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn, ophoneuid has huge potential, but  wasnt even once able to open teh contact list (and no error messages on the command line)
Oct 22 17:36:08 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud, weird.
Oct 22 17:36:14 <TAsn> here it works flawlessly
Oct 22 17:36:19 <TAsn> do you use X11-16?
Oct 22 17:36:24 <TAsn> if so
Oct 22 17:36:26 <TAsn> please RTFM
Oct 22 17:36:26 <TAsn> ;)
Oct 22 17:36:29 <JesusMcCloud> yup, but hte window didnt even sho up
Oct 22 17:36:38 <TAsn> but another window did?
Oct 22 17:36:41 <JesusMcCloud> nope
Oct 22 17:36:44 <JesusMcCloud> nothin at all
Oct 22 17:36:50 <TAsn> anyhow
Oct 22 17:36:53 <TAsn> please switch to X11
Oct 22 17:36:56 <TAsn> and everything will work.
Oct 22 17:37:18 <TAsn> I promise.
Oct 22 17:37:20 <TAsn> (I think)
Oct 22 17:37:26 <TAsn> what does /var/log/phoneuid.log say?
Oct 22 17:37:26 <JesusMcCloud> (the only reason why i wanted to try it, was multipart sms)
Oct 22 17:37:33 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud, multi part sms
Oct 22 17:37:39 <TAsn> is already supported for a long time
Oct 22 17:37:41 <TAsn> in efl2 as well.
Oct 22 17:37:53 <JesusMcCloud> hmmmm
Oct 22 17:38:05 * JesusMcCloud is sms-ing himself
Oct 22 17:38:12 <Tanuva> TAsn: so I should mark it as working on the shr om-wiki page?
Oct 22 17:38:13 <TAsn> that's a bit lonely, don't you think?
Oct 22 17:38:26 <JesusMcCloud> but gives faster results
Oct 22 17:38:28 <TAsn> Tanuva, yes.
Oct 22 17:38:29 <TAsn> :)
Oct 22 17:41:11 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn can you quickly tell me what widget is used for the list in libphoneui? i need to theme it (its not elementary, but some other ewl stuff)
Oct 22 17:41:32 <TAsn> it's a genlist
Oct 22 17:41:38 <TAsn> (which is elementary)
Oct 22 17:41:47 <TAsn> that's composed from I don't remember what.
Oct 22 17:42:00 <JesusMcCloud> i know genlist. so it must be broken elm
Oct 22 17:42:54 <Tanuva> done, sending and receiving multipart marked as working now
Oct 22 17:43:05 * JesusMcCloud installs libphoneui stuff again
Oct 22 17:43:13 <TAsn> Tanuva, yay ;)
Oct 22 17:43:23 <dos1|neo> TAsn: i can't commit it to FSO, as it's breaking notifications with opimd disabled
Oct 22 17:43:26 <Tanuva> *g*
Oct 22 17:43:42 <dos1|neo> TAsn: can't we just add patch to recipe?
Oct 22 17:43:59 <TAsn> dos1|neo, we can
Oct 22 17:44:03 <TAsn> though I'm asking in general :)
Oct 22 17:44:09 <TAsn> as it sounds pretty stupid to me.
Oct 22 17:44:20 <TAsn> hm.. dos1|neo I have an idea.
Oct 22 17:44:35 <TAsn> can't you fix oevents to check for opimd
Oct 22 17:44:35 <TAsn> and fallback to this crap? Q:)
Oct 22 17:45:12 <dos1|neo> TAsn: do you really think i'll work on this crap? (oeventsd)
Oct 22 17:45:22 <dos1|neo> it's even stranger than opimd ;p
Oct 22 17:45:34 <TAsn> hehe :)
Oct 22 17:45:39 <dos1|neo> and i tried, but failed :P
Oct 22 17:47:40 <JesusMcCloud> ot: i switched to a self-compiled fbdev and it is noticably slower than glamo... and uglier!!
Oct 22 17:48:23 <dos1|neo> JesusMcCloud: what did you expect? ;x
Oct 22 17:48:45 <JesusMcCloud> well atleast supsend is fast now...
Oct 22 17:49:13 <TAsn> suspend is important.
Oct 22 17:49:27 <JesusMcCloud> waaah i meant resume
Oct 22 17:51:29 <JesusMcCloud> are the feeds in tests/mrmoku/unstable the same as in tests/mrmoku?
Oct 22 17:52:13 <prahal> phonefsod does not delete the pid file in its default initscript ... what do you think about adding -- --forcepid to the start action ?
Oct 22 17:53:17 <prahal> this is pretty critical for when the phone freeze . On next restart one has to open a console on the phone to delete the pid file by hand . And I wonder when one would want a start to fail due to a previous one behing there
Oct 22 17:53:39 <prahal> a previous pid file that is
Oct 22 18:02:26 <TAsn> dos1|neo, btw
Oct 22 18:02:35 <TAsn> did you fix hoversel in shr-settings?
Oct 22 18:06:26 <JesusMcCloud> anyone any idea why genlist isn't themed anymore just like hoversel, or to be precise: what do i have to theme?
Oct 22 18:07:17 <JesusMcCloud> actually my theme shine sthrough, but there is some kind of overlay...
Oct 22 18:09:28 <dos1|neo> TAsn: hmm?
Oct 22 18:11:10 <TAsn> dos1|neo, I remember morphis saying something about using a different callabkc
Oct 22 18:11:18 <TAsn> I'm not sure though anyhow he said it should work 
Oct 22 18:12:14 <dos1|neo> TAsn: didn't see that
Oct 22 18:12:49 <TAsn> ok
Oct 22 18:12:56 <TAsn> please ask him for more details when you have the time.
Oct 22 18:16:34 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: yup tests/mrmoku/unstable/feed == tests/mrmoku/feed
Oct 22 18:17:16 <JesusMcCloud> thx
Oct 22 18:19:28 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: and... the lists in old efl once were an etk tree
Oct 22 18:19:40 <mrmoku> now (in libphone-ui-shr) they are all genlists
Oct 22 18:20:38 <mrmoku> dos1|neo: what are you doing differently for the theme hoversel and the boot splash hoversel? the first one works the second not so...
Oct 22 18:21:26 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: for the genlist in libphone-ui-shr I use a custom style
Oct 22 18:21:36 <mrmoku> neither default nor the double thing
Oct 22 18:21:36 <JesusMcCloud> ahhh that is why
Oct 22 18:21:53 <JesusMcCloud> well your style adds anotehr layer
Oct 22 18:22:11 <JesusMcCloud> and thsi layer shoudl be transparent
Oct 22 18:22:17 <mrmoku> hmm... it is just a new genlist style
Oct 22 18:22:27 <mrmoku> anyway... brb to discuss
Oct 22 18:29:15 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, i was wrong...
Oct 22 18:29:26 <JesusMcCloud> no new layer
Oct 22 18:29:32 <JesusMcCloud> sry
Oct 22 18:36:50 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud1: and they probably will still change a bit
Oct 22 18:37:13 <JesusMcCloud1> mrmoku, but why a special genlist style?
Oct 22 18:41:40 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud1: first, because the default one was too heavy
Oct 22 18:42:03 <mrmoku> second, because we will have more complicated stuff
Oct 22 18:42:09 <mrmoku> like more than two labels
Oct 22 18:42:32 <JesusMcCloud1> ok, but first point is invalid, since this is up to the themer
Oct 22 18:43:48 <TAsn> mrmoku, do we have "update messages" opimd methods?
Oct 22 18:44:47 <JesusMcCloud1> mrmoku, any idea why hoversel isn't coeectly themed in latest elm?
Oct 22 18:44:49 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud1: yeah, but then we must have a resonable default style that is leight weight enough and looks better
Oct 22 18:44:59 <mrmoku> I very much dislike the genlist default style :P
Oct 22 18:45:04 <JesusMcCloud1> me too
Oct 22 18:45:05 <mrmoku> TAsn: let me check... I think yes
Oct 22 18:45:11 <TAsn> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.PIM.Message.html;hb=HEAD
Oct 22 18:45:12 <TAsn> Update
Oct 22 18:45:15 <TAsn> and I just checked
Oct 22 18:45:17 <TAsn> didn't see anything.
Oct 22 18:45:37 <TAsn> mind adding? :)
Oct 22 18:46:01 <mrmoku> TAsn: we have NewMessage, IncomingMessage and UnreadMessages
Oct 22 18:46:08 <mrmoku> all there for you pleasure :)
Oct 22 18:46:20 <TAsn> huh? I mean "Update"
Oct 22 18:46:22 <TAsn> a method
Oct 22 18:46:23 <TAsn> ...
Oct 22 18:46:27 <mrmoku> ahh... :)
Oct 22 18:46:27 <TAsn> look in the link
Oct 22 18:47:07 <TAsn> opimd_message_update
Oct 22 18:47:07 <TAsn> :)
Oct 22 18:47:07 <TAsn> that's what I need.
Oct 22 18:47:08 <mrmoku> TAsn: huh... what should that be needed for?
Oct 22 18:47:08 <TAsn> mark messages as read/unread
Oct 22 18:47:17 <mrmoku> ahh... ok
Oct 22 18:47:18 <mrmoku> moment
Oct 22 18:47:24 <TAsn> :)
Oct 22 18:47:37 <TAsn> no reason to question my intentions ;]
Oct 22 18:48:34 <mrmoku> nahh... I thought about that one some day ago... and just had no need for it :)
Oct 22 18:48:41 <TAsn> btw, mrmoku what's the signal to open a new contact window with prefilled fields?
Oct 22 18:48:46 <TAsn> mrmoku, hehe :)
Oct 22 18:48:51 <mrmoku> but setting read/unread flag is of course a legal use
Oct 22 18:49:13 <mrmoku> phoneui_contacts_contact_new?
Oct 22 18:49:13 <TAsn> lol.
Oct 22 18:49:20 <TAsn> mrmoku, no
Oct 22 18:49:22 <TAsn> I meant from dbus.
Oct 22 18:49:22 <TAsn> :)
Oct 22 18:49:30 <mrmoku> yeah... but that leads to that one?
Oct 22 18:49:40 <TAsn> ok, but I need the dbus signal
Oct 22 18:49:42 <TAsn> for pyphonelog :)
Oct 22 18:49:48 <mrmoku> method you mean
Oct 22 18:49:49 <mrmoku> ?
Oct 22 18:49:51 <TAsn> yeah.
Oct 22 18:49:53 <TAsn> meant method.
Oct 22 18:49:59 <TAsn> i'm a bit out
Oct 22 18:50:00 <mrmoku> ok, let me finish Update first :P
Oct 22 18:50:01 <JesusMcCloud1> TAsn, i think i know where teh segfaults came from: i forgot to also switch elm enigne, just switched enlightenment
Oct 22 18:50:12 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud1, noob ;]
Oct 22 18:50:17 <TAsn> please upgrade *everything*
Oct 22 18:51:12 <JesusMcCloud1> everything's uptodate (well up-to-yester-dayte)
Oct 22 18:51:30 <TAsn> anyhow, mrmoku let me know when you get me the upadte signal
Oct 22 18:53:05 <TAsn> mrmoku, found the dbus method (  org.shr.phoneui.Contacts /org/shr/phoneui/Contacts org.shr.phoneui.Contacts.CreateContact )
Oct 22 18:53:05 <TAsn> will add to pyphonelog
Oct 22 18:53:08 <vanous123> mrmoku/unstable framework-config-shr  0.9.5.9+gitr1722..-r7 has still as default backend for sms SIM-Messages-FSO, is this intentional or forgotten (as the new phoneui messages use opimd)? 
Oct 22 18:54:17 <Heinervdm> vanous123: phoneui-shr-messages is still not the default app, so it would be wrong to switch it in the config
Oct 22 18:54:49 <vanous123> ok
Oct 22 18:56:31 <mrmoku> vanous123: we're going to change that soon though :)
Oct 22 18:57:35 <mrmoku> TAsn: CreateContact might even work :P
Oct 22 18:57:42 <vanous123> :)
Oct 22 18:58:05 <mrmoku> TAsn: oohh no...not implemented yet :P
Oct 22 18:58:29 <TAsn> hehe
Oct 22 18:58:36 <TAsn> then? what should I use?
Oct 22 18:58:48 <TAsn> oh, that's the only one
Oct 22 18:58:52 <TAsn> well I'm implementing that
Oct 22 18:58:53 <mrmoku> TAsn: CreateContact is fine... just have to implement it :P
Oct 22 18:58:55 <TAsn> and hoping for the best.
Oct 22 18:59:00 <TAsn> hehe please do :)
Oct 22 18:59:08 <TAsn> I'd also like to see Update ;]
Oct 22 18:59:08 <mrmoku> there is already the empty function for it
Oct 22 18:59:17 <mrmoku> Update is testbuilding
Oct 22 18:59:28 <TAsn> cool.
Oct 22 19:00:19 <TAsn> and mrmoku 
Oct 22 19:00:24 <TAsn> what should I pass?
Oct 22 19:00:27 <TAsn> Number?
Oct 22 19:00:34 <TAsn> Phone?
Oct 22 19:00:42 <TAsn> probably Phone... 
Oct 22 19:01:34 <mrmoku> probably yes
Oct 22 19:01:39 <mrmoku> Number definitely not ;)
Oct 22 19:02:10 <TAsn> does the empty function print a debug message?
Oct 22 19:02:12 <TAsn> or not even that?
Oct 22 19:02:34 <mrmoku> yup it does
Oct 22 19:02:41 <TAsn> very good :)
Oct 22 19:02:44 <TAsn> you rock.
Oct 22 19:03:15 <TAsn> 2009.10.22 21:02:50.330846 [phoneuid]	 org.shr.phoneuid.Contacts.CreateContact
Oct 22 19:03:16 <TAsn> yay :)
Oct 22 19:04:06 <mrmoku> :)
Oct 22 19:04:09 <TAsn> 2009.10.22 18:12:27.197178 [libphone-ui]	   sanitizing field 'Phone'
Oct 22 19:04:09 <TAsn> 2009.10.22 18:12:27.197915 [libphone-ui]	   sanitizing field 'Path'
Oct 22 19:04:09 <TAsn> 2009.10.22 18:12:27.198687 [libphone-ui]	   sanitizing field 'Name'
Oct 22 19:04:15 <playya_> a short git question: i tagged HEAD~3 , checkout the tag, changed sth and commited it. how can i come back to HEAD?
Oct 22 19:04:15 <TAsn> you are crazy! :) flooding me with debug messages!
Oct 22 19:04:30 <mrmoku> TAsn: you could check if phoneui_contacts_contact_new is implemented in libphone-ui
Oct 22 19:04:33 <mrmoku> :)
Oct 22 19:05:01 <mrmoku> playya_: what was HEAD before?
Oct 22 19:05:05 <TAsn> huh?
Oct 22 19:05:31 <TAsn> mrmoku, anyhow, how did the build go?
Oct 22 19:05:36 <TAsn> (Update)
Oct 22 19:05:42 <playya_> i just had to change sth 3 commits back (locally) and I'm on shr/merge
Oct 22 19:05:43 <mrmoku> rebuilding... :)
Oct 22 19:05:54 <mrmoku> had some other changes too... that were missing some include
Oct 22 19:05:59 <mrmoku> added some signals for contacts
Oct 22 19:06:11 <mrmoku> playya_: then git checkout shr/merge
Oct 22 19:06:24 <TAsn> mrmoku, you didn't commit anything.
Oct 22 19:06:37 <mrmoku> ahh... builds
Oct 22 19:06:39 <playya_> ok. thx
Oct 22 19:06:41 <TAsn> what's the function's header?
Oct 22 19:06:58 <playya_> i already did this but git log failed
Oct 22 19:06:59 <TAsn> I want to see it in order to know what to work with.
Oct 22 19:08:03 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rb9cf016a126a 10/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
Oct 22 19:08:03 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: opimd: add handler for Contacts.NewContact signal
Oct 22 19:08:03 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Oct 22 19:08:05 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rc5ead9c20f19 10/src/opimd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
Oct 22 19:08:06 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: opimd: add Message.Update method
Oct 22 19:08:08 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Oct 22 19:08:23 <mrmoku> playya_: git log?
Oct 22 19:08:33 <playya_> eh git co
Oct 22 19:08:43 <playya_> git log missed some commits
Oct 22 19:09:03 <mrmoku> hmm
Oct 22 19:09:23 <mrmoku> playya_: you probably should have done a branch for your commits
Oct 22 19:09:48 <mrmoku> TAsn: which function?
Oct 22 19:09:58 <mrmoku> the contact_new one?
Oct 22 19:10:06 <playya_> yes. maybe ..
Oct 22 19:10:25 <TAsn> mrmoku, nvm
Oct 22 19:10:27 <TAsn> you comitted :)
Oct 22 19:10:33 <TAsn> committed*
Oct 22 19:12:17 <mrmoku> TAsn: hmm... why is it phoneui_contacts_contact_new_show() and not just _new() ?
Oct 22 19:12:49 <mrmoku> TAsn: and another thing... in the API we have DisplayContact and EditContact
Oct 22 19:12:57 <TAsn> because whoever made it had too much beer (I can't remember if it's you or me)
Oct 22 19:13:02 <mrmoku> for phone-ui-shr it is the same
Oct 22 19:13:05 <TAsn> mrmoku, yeah
Oct 22 19:13:10 <TAsn> but it might not always be the same
Oct 22 19:13:13 * mrmoku takes a sip of his beer ;)
Oct 22 19:13:18 <TAsn> the "split" is good.
Oct 22 19:13:34 <mrmoku> TAsn: yup... but we need the appropriate phone-ui function then :)
Oct 22 19:13:41 <TAsn> ok.
Oct 22 19:14:37 <TAsn> void opimd_message_update(const char *message_path,
Oct 22 19:14:37 <TAsn>                           void (*callback) (GError *, gpointer), gpointer);
Oct 22 19:14:37 <TAsn> mr
Oct 22 19:14:39 <TAsn> mrmoku, 
Oct 22 19:14:48 <TAsn> bad signature, we should also pass a hash table.
Oct 22 19:14:48 <mrmoku> void phoneui_contacts_contact_new(const char *name, const char *number);
Oct 22 19:14:52 <mrmoku> void phoneui_contacts_contact_edit(const char *contact_path);
Oct 22 19:14:54 <mrmoku>  like this then
Oct 22 19:14:59 <TAsn> mrmoku, no.
Oct 22 19:15:07 <mrmoku> ooohhh... 
Oct 22 19:15:11 <TAsn> phoneui_contacts_contact_new should accept a hash table
Oct 22 19:15:24 <mrmoku> uhh, yes
Oct 22 19:15:27 <TAsn> :)
Oct 22 19:15:27 <mrmoku> but I meant more the names
Oct 22 19:15:54 <TAsn> cool.
Oct 22 19:15:56 <mrmoku> void phoneui_contacts_contact_new(GHashTable *values);
Oct 22 19:15:56 <TAsn> names are ok
Oct 22 19:15:58 <mrmoku> better :)
Oct 22 19:16:01 <TAsn> yeah ;)
Oct 22 19:16:07 <TAsn> please fix the ogsmd call
Oct 22 19:16:11 <TAsn> aswell.
Oct 22 19:16:11 <mrmoku> ok, and hashtable for Update too :)
Oct 22 19:16:16 <mrmoku> ogsmd ?
Oct 22 19:16:21 <TAsn> heh meant Update
Oct 22 19:16:24 <mrmoku> ok :)
Oct 22 19:16:24 <TAsn> I'm a drunk idiot.
Oct 22 19:16:26 <TAsn> don't listen to me.
Oct 22 19:16:27 <TAsn> ;)
Oct 22 19:16:36 * mrmoku takes another sip and fixes Update :P
Oct 22 19:16:59 <TAsn> ;]
Oct 22 19:18:51 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rcefa825fc7ee 10/src/opimd/ (2 files): 
Oct 22 19:18:51 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: opimd: give Message.Update the needed field_data hashtable
Oct 22 19:18:51 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Oct 22 19:19:24 <TAsn> ;]
Oct 22 19:21:03 <TAsn> btw mrmoku 
Oct 22 19:21:08 <TAsn> I'm renaming phoneui_sms send
Oct 22 19:21:11 <TAsn> in phone-ui-shr
Oct 22 19:21:32 <TAsn> or actually nvm
Oct 22 19:21:39 <TAsn> I'll leave it as an sms.
Oct 22 19:21:40 <CIA-26> SHR: 03mok 07phoneuid * r19f40dcc6fdb 10/src/phoneuid-contacts.c: contacts: call the appropriate libphone-ui functions
Oct 22 19:21:46 <TAsn> it's good enough.
Oct 22 19:22:59 <CIA-26> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r5124c484ed59 10/src/ (phoneui-utility.c phoneui-utility.h): added phoneui_message_set_read_status
Oct 22 19:23:09 <CIA-26> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r22c38854e515 10/src/ (Makefile.am phoneui-utility.c phoneui-utility.h): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git.shr-project.org/libphone-ui
Oct 22 19:23:54 <JesusMcCloud1> mrmoku, is it *save* to build the packages you just updated?
Oct 22 19:25:21 <CIA-26> SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui * r1424eec4a42a 10/src/ (phoneui.c phoneui.h.in): phoneui_contacts: rename _new_show to _contact_new and add _contact_edit
Oct 22 19:25:22 <CIA-26> SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui * rd4ec913f201b 10/src/ (phoneui-utility.c phoneui-utility.h): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@git.shr-project.org/libphone-ui
Oct 22 19:25:23 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud1: missing libphone-ui-shr still
Oct 22 19:25:54 <CIA-26> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * ree8868e40e23 10/TODO: updated TODO
Oct 22 19:25:55 <CIA-26> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * rcfc4a1488d46 10/ (14 files in 4 dirs): updated TODO
Oct 22 19:25:56 <CIA-26> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * r965d73ac7813 10/src/view/message-show-view.c: should now mark messages as read after showing them
Oct 22 19:26:24 <JesusMcCloud1> so some chunks are missing of something which will probably not bite its own tail when the remaining chucks are up?
Oct 22 19:30:12 <mrmoku> ok
Oct 22 19:30:18 <CIA-26> SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r70237cf4c678 10/src/ (phoneui-contacts.c phoneui-contacts.h): rename contacts_new_show to contacts_contact_new and add contacts_contact_edit
Oct 22 19:30:50 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: all should be fine now
Oct 22 19:31:23 * mrmoku goes to the buildhost
Oct 22 19:31:49 <mrmoku> TAsn: btw. I made the phoneui-apps meta package :)
Oct 22 19:32:16 <TAsn> yay :)
Oct 22 19:33:03 <mrmoku> so... what do we miss?
Oct 22 19:33:30 <mrmoku> message styling
Oct 22 19:33:33 <mrmoku> call screen styling
Oct 22 19:33:39 <mrmoku> themeability
Oct 22 19:33:43 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, are you going to put the new packages into the feed now?
Oct 22 19:33:49 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 22 19:33:51 <TAsn> mrmoku, yes.
Oct 22 19:33:52 <JesusMcCloud> coolio
Oct 22 19:33:58 <TAsn> mrmoku, and then feature improvements
Oct 22 19:34:12 <mrmoku> like finishing the Photo selector frame I started :)
Oct 22 19:34:28 <mrmoku> TAsn: btw. we should have some default path for the Photos, no?
Oct 22 19:34:37 <TAsn> no
Oct 22 19:34:39 <mrmoku> where do we configure that?
Oct 22 19:34:42 <mrmoku> no?
Oct 22 19:34:56 <TAsn> you don't want users to copy photos from their "photo" dir
Oct 22 19:35:00 <TAsn> to our special dir
Oct 22 19:35:10 <mrmoku> TAsn: nah, that is not what I meat
Oct 22 19:35:11 <mrmoku> +n
Oct 22 19:35:19 <TAsn> you meant we copy it there
Oct 22 19:35:21 <TAsn> didn't you?
Oct 22 19:35:26 <mrmoku> I want the user to be able to configure the default path where to look for?
Oct 22 19:35:34 <TAsn> oh, nah.
Oct 22 19:35:37 <TAsn> I don't think we need that.
Oct 22 19:35:40 <TAsn> just ~
Oct 22 19:35:59 <TAsn> and btw, iirc there's an awesome elementary image selector widget.\
Oct 22 19:36:16 <mrmoku> hmm... maybe some intelligence? if ~/Photos exists then that otherwise ~ ?
Oct 22 19:36:31 <mrmoku> TAsn: which one?
Oct 22 19:36:36 <TAsn> I think a consistent ~
Oct 22 19:36:38 <TAsn> would be just fine.
Oct 22 19:36:42 <mrmoku> ok
Oct 22 19:36:48 <mrmoku> but which widget are you talking about?
Oct 22 19:36:53 <TAsn> mrmoku, hm.. don't remember, I remember I saw pics
Oct 22 19:36:55 <TAsn> sec I'll check.
Oct 22 19:37:01 * mrmoku fires elementary_tests
Oct 22 19:37:16 <TAsn> photo
Oct 22 19:39:04 <mrmoku> TAsn: hmm.. but photo does not let you select anything
Oct 22 19:39:14 <TAsn> mrmoku, maybe it does...
Oct 22 19:39:20 <TAsn> (elementary_test is not complete)
Oct 22 19:39:24 <TAsn> btw, mrmoku 
Oct 22 19:39:37 <TAsn> please rebuild phone-ui phone-ui-shr and frameworkd-glib
Oct 22 19:39:46 <mrmoku> building already TAsn :)
Oct 22 19:39:53 <TAsn> yay
Oct 22 19:39:54 <mrmoku> + phoneuid
Oct 22 19:39:56 <TAsn> tell me when it's done ;
Oct 22 19:39:59 <mrmoku> yup
Oct 22 19:40:03 <TAsn> great ;)
Oct 22 19:40:10 * mrmoku takes a look at photo widget source meanwhile
Oct 22 19:40:43 <TAsn> phoneuid: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libphone-ui.so.0: undefined symbol: opimd_message_update
Oct 22 19:40:44 <TAsn>  :|
Oct 22 19:40:44 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, could you also build the lasters gry themes, since i will probabaly have to reflash tomorrow and i would be nice to just have to instell them without needing to look for a backaup in the data chaos of mine
Oct 22 19:41:50 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: ok
Oct 22 19:42:09 <mrmoku> TAsn: after rebuilding lfg
Oct 22 19:42:10 <mrmoku> ?
Oct 22 19:42:15 <TAsn> no
Oct 22 19:42:20 <mrmoku> :)
Oct 22 19:42:21 <TAsn> ;]
Oct 22 19:42:28 <TAsn> that's why I asked for the build.
Oct 22 19:42:29 <JesusMcCloud> kk
Oct 22 19:43:01 <mrmoku> dos1|neo1: ping
Oct 22 19:43:42 <dos1|neo1> mrmoku: little pong ;p
Oct 22 19:44:03 <mrmoku> dos1|neo1: still using fsodeviced?
Oct 22 19:44:12 <mrmoku> worth a try?
Oct 22 19:44:34 <mrmoku> TAsn: uhh... bad me :P
Oct 22 19:44:36 <dos1|neo1> mrmoku: no, now i'm using even ousaged
Oct 22 19:44:49 <dos1|neo1> as i messed up my cornucopia ;p
Oct 22 19:44:52 <TAsn> mrmoku, what?
Oct 22 19:46:12 <TAsn> mrmoku, gimme glib ;]
Oct 22 19:46:18 <CIA-26> SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui * r429226dc61cd 10/src/phoneui.c: fix copy&paste error for _contact_edit :)
Oct 22 19:46:35 <TAsn> :)
Oct 22 19:46:36 <mrmoku> dos1|neo1: upgrade the config and fsousaged will work again :)
Oct 22 19:51:07 <mrmoku> TAsn: what does the build on the buildhost help you?
Oct 22 19:51:37 <TAsn> I'm too lazy to build it here :)
Oct 22 19:51:51 <mrmoku> TAsn: but you have to to be able to build, no?
Oct 22 19:52:15 <mrmoku> lfg is built, libphone-ui is built
Oct 22 19:52:21 <mrmoku> libphone-ui-shr is building now
Oct 22 19:52:26 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: a gta01 user reports that he can't install gllin on NAND due to space constraints.  
Oct 22 19:52:37 <mrmoku> heh
Oct 22 19:52:47 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: is it possible?
Oct 22 19:53:20 <TAsn> I really think people should stop using NAND ;]
Oct 22 19:53:24 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: I know space is quite limited in gta01 images... but installing gllin should be (and I think was always) possible
Oct 22 19:53:55 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: lacking the ownership of one I can't test :P
Oct 22 19:53:57 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: he says the package has some dependencies and that seems strange because it's supposed to be a full oabi chroot.
Oct 22 19:54:12 * mrmoku checks recipe of it
Oct 22 19:54:14 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: you can install gllin on gta02 as well
Oct 22 19:55:05 <TAsn> mrmoku, 
Oct 22 19:55:06 <TAsn> phoneuid: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libframeworkd-glib.so.0: undefined symbol: org_freesmartphone_PIM_Message_update_async
Oct 22 19:55:10 <TAsn> :|
Oct 22 19:55:11 <TAsn> noob.
Oct 22 19:55:13 <TAsn> :)
Oct 22 19:55:19 <CIA-26> SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r637d68fac742 10/src/phoneui-contacts.h: fix prototype of phoneui_backend_contacts_contact_new
Oct 22 19:55:20 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: is gllin in the feeds? I thought it should be downloaded separately due to being a proprietary shit.
Oct 22 19:56:07 <TAsn> alexxy, I can't find what's wrong (segfault on incoming call) will hopefully fix it soon though.
Oct 22 19:56:23 <TAsn> mrmoku, please fix it and let me know. ;]
Oct 22 19:56:44 <alexxy> TAsn: seems mrmoku fixed this segfault
Oct 22 19:56:51 <mrmoku> PaulFertser: ahh, no idea... but might explain why I can't find it :)
Oct 22 19:56:51 <TAsn> yay
Oct 22 19:56:55 <TAsn> mrmoku, what was wrong?
Oct 22 19:57:12 <TAsn> and please fix glib ;]
Oct 22 19:57:34 <mrmoku> casting IncomingCallView to ActiveCallView and some others :)
Oct 22 19:57:59 <TAsn> mrmoku, :)
Oct 22 19:58:07 <mrmoku> the common call functions were assuming to get IncomingCallView and got ActiveCallView ;)
Oct 22 19:58:36 <TAsn> mrmoku, are you done working on calls?
Oct 22 19:58:44 <TAsn> I want to change it to make sense ;)
Oct 22 19:58:45 <Heinervdm> gllin depends on libstdc++ libc6 libgcc1
Oct 22 19:58:55 <PaulFertser> Heinervdm: yes but why?
Oct 22 19:58:57 <mrmoku> uhhh, ok :)
Oct 22 19:59:11 <PaulFertser> Heinervdm: it needs OABI libraries anyway, no?
Oct 22 19:59:20 <Heinervdm> PaulFertser: don't know, just looked at the ipk ;)
Oct 22 19:59:40 <TAsn> mrmoku, and did you fix lfd-glib? :) (hehe, I'm a pain in the ass)
Oct 22 19:59:56 <mrmoku> TAsn: what fix? I built it...
Oct 22 20:00:04 <TAsn> <TAsn> phoneuid: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libframeworkd-glib.so.0: undefined symbol: org_freesmartphone_PIM_Message_update_async
Oct 22 20:00:11 <TAsn> figured you didn't notice...
Oct 22 20:00:17 <TAsn> that's why we really need to start building with
Oct 22 20:00:20 <TAsn> -Werror
Oct 22 20:00:38 <mrmoku> should not be... I added it to the xml
Oct 22 20:00:40 <mrmoku> brb
Oct 22 20:00:46 <TAsn> it's not XML
Oct 22 20:00:49 <TAsn> it's a matter
Oct 22 20:00:56 <TAsn> of .c source code.
Oct 22 20:01:31 <Heinervdm> PaulFertser: the older version just depends on libc6
Oct 22 20:02:25 <Heinervdm> from the Changlog i would say there are no changes that will need new libarys
Oct 22 20:06:53 <PaulFertser> Heinervdm: i'm not sure any libraries are needed at all
Oct 22 20:07:22 <TAsn> mrmoku, indeed, no org_freesmartphone_PIM_Message_update_async in src/opimd/dbus/messages.h ... please fix it as I don't completely understand what's going on there and I gtg.
Oct 22 20:07:25 <TAsn> ciao.
Oct 22 20:10:14 <Heinervdm> gn8, i'm going to bed :)
Oct 22 20:11:24 <mrmoku> TAsn: no it's a matter of regenerating the .h from the .xml ;)
Oct 22 20:11:35 * mrmoku should fix that stupid Makefile someday....
Oct 22 20:12:50 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r0f6f9d3865e3 10/src/opimd/dbus/messages.h: 
Oct 22 20:12:50 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: regenerate opimd/dbus/messages.h from the xml spec
Oct 22 20:12:50 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Oct 22 20:19:47 <mrmoku> TAsn: built
Oct 22 20:19:53 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: building the themes now
Oct 22 20:22:32 <JesusMcCloud> (10:19:48 PM) mrmoku: TAsn: built <--does this mean, i can opkg update && opkr upgrade now?
Oct 22 20:25:04 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: not the themes... the rest yes
Oct 22 20:25:13 <mrmoku> themes still building
Oct 22 20:25:35 <JesusMcCloud> coolio
Oct 22 20:25:52 <JesusMcCloud> themes arent required to have phone functionality ;-)
Oct 22 20:26:00 <JesusMcCloud> but thanks for building them
Oct 22 20:27:11 <mrmoku> np
Oct 22 20:28:42 <DocScrutinizer-8> so what's most stable image atm, according to the gods of SHR?
Oct 22 20:29:02 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer-8: hehe... no gods around :P
Oct 22 20:29:23 <playya_> DocScrutinizer, qtmoko :P
Oct 22 20:29:28 <JesusMcCloud> i am not a god of shr, but i think you might consider working gsm as improvement from the last build ;-)
Oct 22 20:29:29 <DocScrutinizer-8> stable as in phone works, suspend/resume works, maybe even gprs works
Oct 22 20:30:11 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer-8: no experience with GPRS on my side... but rest works fine now with latest tests/mrmoku/unstable
Oct 22 20:30:27 <DocScrutinizer-8> seems you're really not that interested in any feedback anymore
Oct 22 20:30:30 <mrmoku> guess its time to build a new image and sync it to the feeds
Oct 22 20:30:40 <mrmoku> DocScrutinizer-8: why do you think that?
Oct 22 20:34:49 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: build finished
Oct 22 20:35:00 <JesusMcCloud> thx
Oct 22 20:35:58 <JesusMcCloud> hoversel shr settigns still sucks from what i can see opkg wants to upgrade
Oct 22 20:36:54 <vanous123> JesusMcCloud: gry look interesting :)
Oct 22 20:37:13 <vanous123> looks
Oct 22 20:38:00 <JesusMcCloud> *should* also be as fast as nEo/niebiee theme
Oct 22 20:38:22 <vanous123> just upgrading it
Oct 22 20:38:24 <JesusMcCloud> somethign changed in latest elm revision so hoversel is not themed and i have to figure out why
Oct 22 20:39:26 <JesusMcCloud> vanous123, if you are not using uphoneuid stuff, life will be easier, faster and prettier if you do what you should not: downgrade elm
Oct 22 20:41:20 <vanous123> JesusMcCloud: hoho, that's what i wanna try, the new phoneui stuff :)
Oct 22 20:42:22 <JesusMcCloud> then say goodbye to software_16 and working shr-settings modules for at least profile-switching and opimd-domain selection
Oct 22 20:42:37 <JesusMcCloud> but hte new phone stuff i awesom!
Oct 22 20:42:56 <JesusMcCloud> glamo is also nice!
Oct 22 20:55:15 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, regarding phoneui themes: i think you can make scrolling faster if you kick out he unneeded background images used in every row and replace it by solid color rects
Oct 22 20:56:39 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: good :)
Oct 22 20:56:54 <mrmoku> will look at how you do it in your themes
Oct 22 20:57:21 <JesusMcCloud> just 2 lines to edit:
Oct 22 20:57:56 <JesusMcCloud> before teh description block instert type: RECT;
Oct 22 20:58:54 <JesusMcCloud> in teh description block remove everythign that is image related (like scale smooth and image:) and add color: rrr ggg bbb aaa; and you're done
Oct 22 21:01:31 <max_posedon> hi! so, is shr-mrmoku merged to shr-U? or -mrmoku branch still most interesting?
Oct 22 21:01:46 <mrmoku> max_posedon: still -mrmoku :(
Oct 22 21:02:28 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, just looked at the code, seems you can kick out 2 blocks at all
Oct 22 21:02:44 <mrmoku> base?
Oct 22 21:04:54 <JesusMcCloud> yup
Oct 22 21:05:10 <JesusMcCloud> all of it everywhere (didnt look for programs using it though
Oct 22 21:05:51 <JesusMcCloud> you maybe want to alter the colors of the even lines to make it solid, or ele i dunno what you will get since this si the bottom most element and you might want it to be solid
Oct 22 21:06:26 <mrmoku> ok
Oct 22 21:06:29 <JesusMcCloud> you can also kick out every color3, since you don't use any effects
Oct 22 21:06:35 <mrmoku> will play a bit
Oct 22 21:06:41 <JesusMcCloud> as far as i can see atleast
Oct 22 21:08:41 <JesusMcCloud> ok i edited it... seems like it doesnt make that big of a difference with SOFTWARE
Oct 22 21:12:22 <JesusMcCloud> if u dont need fancy effects i can strip it down to the bare minimum and send you a screenie +edc for contactlist as example
Oct 22 21:13:35 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: that would be great :)
Oct 22 21:14:10 <JesusMcCloud> 15 minutes
Oct 22 21:19:20 <alexxy> mrmoku: TAsn: after upgrading libphone-ui0 and libframeworkd-glib0
Oct 22 21:19:30 <alexxy> telephony stopped working
Oct 22 21:20:03 <Tanuva> is a 16bit theme in x11 as fast as in x11_16? Guess not...
Oct 22 21:20:19 <Tanuva> (why would we want _16 then)
Oct 22 21:25:42 <TAsn> mrmoku, thanks.
Oct 22 21:25:48 <TAsn> alexxy, you should upgrade everything
Oct 22 21:25:50 <TAsn> not just one thing
Oct 22 21:26:00 <TAsn> you are using a highly unstable branch
Oct 22 21:26:11 <TAsn> one that works like this: <mrmoku> TAsn: built
Oct 22 21:26:24 <alexxy> how can i do it
Oct 22 21:26:26 <alexxy> =)
Oct 22 21:26:33 <TAsn> we know and don't care when stuff stop working :)
Oct 22 21:27:45 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw, did you start working on the CreateContact function?
Oct 22 21:28:04 <mrmoku> TAsn: finished even :)
Oct 22 21:28:12 <mrmoku> ahh... shr side I'm not sure
Oct 22 21:28:30 <mrmoku> no yes, should work
Oct 22 21:28:44 <TAsn> ok, I get weird segfaults ;|
Oct 22 21:28:55 <TAsn> actually I know what they are
Oct 22 21:29:05 <TAsn> mrmoku, is it possible you try to call the callback?
Oct 22 21:29:11 <TAsn> although I pass NULL
Oct 22 21:29:12 <TAsn> ?
Oct 22 21:29:31 <mrmoku> TAsn: hmm
Oct 22 21:30:57 <TAsn> hehe, exactly. ;)
Oct 22 21:31:07 <TAsn> (exactly that)
Oct 22 21:31:12 <TAsn> I'm pretty sure.
Oct 22 21:32:09 <mrmoku> TAsn: in CreateContact?
Oct 22 21:32:20 <TAsn> no
Oct 22 21:32:24 <TAsn> in opimd_message_update
Oct 22 21:32:50 <mrmoku> ahh
Oct 22 21:32:50 <TAsn> phoneuid: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/phoneui/modules/shr.so: undefined symbol: phoneui_contacts_get
Oct 22 21:32:52 <TAsn> mrmoku, ^ ?
Oct 22 21:33:00 <alexxy> seems phonefsod died
Oct 22 21:33:15 <mrmoku>         if (data->callback != NULL) {
Oct 22 21:33:15 <mrmoku>                 if (dbus_error != NULL)
Oct 22 21:33:15 <mrmoku>                         error = dbus_handle_errors(dbus_error);
Oct 22 21:33:15 <mrmoku>                 data->callback(error, data->userdata);
Oct 22 21:33:18 <mrmoku> so no
Oct 22 21:33:20 <mrmoku> brb
Oct 22 21:33:28 <TAsn> weird.
Oct 22 21:33:33 <TAsn> I swear to god this what happens.
Oct 22 21:34:31 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, here's the source: http://pastebin.com/d78aefe49 (you might like the colors scheme, so u put it in although not every color is set and needed)
Oct 22 21:35:11 <JesusMcCloud> i forgot: offset is bitch *investigating....*
Oct 22 21:36:53 <TAsn> mrmoku, I swear to god this is the behavior I get. :| (as if it calls the callback)
Oct 22 21:37:53 <TAsn> mrmoku, noob!
Oct 22 21:38:00 <TAsn>  opimd_message_update_data_t *data = userdata;
Oct 22 21:38:07 <TAsn> oh, nvm.
Oct 22 21:38:08 <TAsn> :)
Oct 22 21:38:15 * TAsn <--- noob
Oct 22 21:39:08 <TAsn> ciao again.
Oct 22 21:42:22 <playya_> hmm. after i splitted gypsy it ignores my patches
Oct 22 21:42:46 <mrmoku> alexxy: if you did upgrade you probably have to turn off (or better remove) ophonekitd
Oct 22 21:42:53 <alexxy> mrmoku: i removed ophonekitd few days ago
Oct 22 21:42:54 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: thanks
Oct 22 21:43:02 <mrmoku> alexxy: upgrade will bring it back
Oct 22 21:43:07 <alexxy> no
Oct 22 21:43:13 <mrmoku> hmm
Oct 22 21:43:26 <mrmoku> alexxy: did you reboot after upgrade?
Oct 22 21:43:27 <alexxy> since i dropped shr-settings and task-shr-apps-minimal
Oct 22 21:43:33 <alexxy> yep
Oct 22 21:43:33 <mrmoku> ahh, ok :)
Oct 22 21:43:40 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, i mixed up colors: after color definition replace ALT_GRAY with LIGHT_GRAY or WHITE
Oct 22 21:44:11 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: ok :)
Oct 22 21:45:00 <mrmoku> alexxy: I just removed all my local built packages, updated... lets see
Oct 22 21:45:23 <alexxy> heh
Oct 22 21:45:40 <alexxy> after i restarted phonefsod maual it starts working
Oct 22 21:45:58 <mrmoku> hmm
Oct 22 21:47:54 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, forget about the code, it wasnt the bare minumum *compiling to check the code*
Oct 22 21:49:08 <JesusMcCloud> (offset is a bitch)
Oct 22 21:49:43 <alexxy> mrmoku: seems after first run it dieys on
Oct 22 21:49:46 <alexxy> 2009.10.23 01:48:05.796621 [phonefsod]   RegisterUiHandler unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-uqeA8ZHYOo,guid=889c4ffab64eedd3601391bb4ae0d308
Oct 22 21:49:46 <alexxy> 2009.10.23 01:48:05.797803 [phonefsod]   connecting to session bus at unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-uqeA8ZHYOo,guid=889c4ffab64eedd3601391bb4ae0d308
Oct 22 21:51:05 <alexxy> and if i remove pidfile
Oct 22 21:51:15 <alexxy> and restart it it starts working
Oct 22 21:52:06 <mrmoku> alexxy: do you have the full log?
Oct 22 21:52:10 <mrmoku> (phonefsod)
Oct 22 21:52:22 <alexxy> yep
Oct 22 21:52:32 <alexxy> btw hwo can i enable debugging
Oct 22 21:52:33 <alexxy> ?
Oct 22 21:52:55 <mrmoku> it has full debugging enabled by default :P
Oct 22 21:53:59 <alexxy>  http://pastebin.ca/1638565
Oct 22 21:54:13 <alexxy> i think it can exit by timeout
Oct 22 21:55:14 <mrmoku> alexxy: or maybe it is the RegisterUiHandler thing
Oct 22 21:55:21 <mrmoku> that is obsolete... have to remove it
Oct 22 21:55:42 <mrmoku> hmm
Oct 22 21:55:51 <alexxy> 2009.10.23 01:49:05.504156 [libphone-ui]         Symbol not found: /usr/lib/phoneui/modules/shr.so: undefined symbol: phoneui_backend_contacts_contact_show
Oct 22 21:55:51 <alexxy> 2009.10.23 01:49:05.508038 [libphone-ui]         Symbol not found: /usr/lib/phoneui/modules/shr.so: undefined symbol: phoneui_backend_contacts_contact_new
Oct 22 21:55:51 <alexxy> 2009.10.23 01:49:05.509193 [libphone-ui]         Symbol not found: /usr/lib/phoneui/modules/shr.so: undefined symbol: phoneui_backend_contacts_contact_edit
Oct 22 21:56:22 <mrmoku> alexxy: that is bad too.. but cannot cause phonefsod to segfault
Oct 22 21:56:33 <mrmoku> anyway... will take a close look tomorrow morning
Oct 22 21:56:37 <mrmoku> have to go to bed now
Oct 22 21:56:49 <mrmoku> gnight and cu
Oct 22 21:56:54 <mrmoku> and thanks for testing :)
Oct 22 22:09:15 <alexxy> gn! mrmoku|away =)
Oct 22 22:17:31 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3c294459912d 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atmediators.vala channel.vala modem.vala): fsogsmd: support multiple modem state init sequences, all customizable via configuration
Oct 22 22:18:58 <lindi-> mickey|zzZZzz: hmm, any idea how to do 'mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.Resource.Suspend' with dbus-send?
Oct 22 22:19:59 <mickeyl> hmm
Oct 22 22:20:08 <lindi-> mickeyl: i tried 'dbus-send --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.Resource.Suspend' but it does not seem to have any effect
Oct 22 22:20:36 <mickeyl> are you sure that  /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device exposes the Resource interface?
Oct 22 22:21:11 <lindi-> mickeyl: no idea, i have old ogsmd but the mdbus command works
Oct 22 22:21:22 <mickeyl> why don't you use mdbus then?
Oct 22 22:21:28 <lindi-> mickeyl: it doesn't have a manual page
Oct 22 22:21:29 <mickeyl> (let me guess... speed?)
Oct 22 22:22:12 <lindi-> possibly speed too, i haven't been exactly able to benchmark them yet :)
Oct 22 22:22:18 <mickeyl> well
Oct 22 22:22:22 <mickeyl> mdbus doesn't need a manpage
Oct 22 22:22:28 <mickeyl> dbus-send has one and still you can't use it
Oct 22 22:22:29 <mickeyl> so...
Oct 22 22:22:53 <mickeyl> tbh, i never understood dbus-send
Oct 22 22:22:56 <mickeyl> that's why i wrote mdbus
Oct 22 22:23:12 <mickeyl> mdbus2 is in C, btw.
Oct 22 22:23:19 <mickeyl> it can't use params though yet
Oct 22 22:23:25 <mickeyl> so just simple calls possible
Oct 22 22:24:18 <mickeyl> your translation seems correct to me though
Oct 22 22:24:23 <mickeyl> (of mdbus to dbus-send)
Oct 22 22:24:43 <mickeyl> hmm
Oct 22 22:24:44 <mickeyl> ah
Oct 22 22:24:49 <mickeyl> look here:
Oct 22 22:24:56 <mickeyl>        --type=TYPE
Oct 22 22:24:56 <mickeyl>               Specify "method_call" or "signal" (defaults to "signal").
Oct 22 22:25:04 <mickeyl> looks like you're sending a signal if you don't give --type
Oct 22 22:25:07 <mickeyl> so try that
Oct 22 22:25:37 <mickeyl> d'oh
Oct 22 22:25:49 * mickeyl suddenly realizes who the author of dbus-send is and says nothing more.
Oct 22 22:26:01 <lindi-> mickeyl: every binary in my $PATH needs a manual page :)
Oct 22 22:26:38 <mickeyl> lindi-: move it to /tmp then
Oct 22 22:26:44 <mickeyl> *g*
Oct 22 22:29:10 <lindi-> mickeyl: "dbus-send --type=method_call --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.Resource.Suspend" does not seem to cause anything either
Oct 22 22:30:42 <DocScrutinizer-8> tbh I'm curious what it *should* do anyway
Oct 22 22:31:14 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: tell ogsmd to tell calypso to not tell cpu about unnecessary things so that cpu can suspend in peace
Oct 22 22:31:15 <mickeyl> it should probably suspend the resource properly in the absence of fsousaged.
Oct 22 22:31:26 <DocScrutinizer-8> aah
Oct 22 22:31:39 <mickeyl> lindi is not using full FSO, but only parts
Oct 22 22:31:42 <mickeyl> (unfortunately)
Oct 22 22:32:34 <DocScrutinizer-8> yup, lindi has a very special system setup. That's known :-)
Oct 22 22:33:01 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1a969d896c12 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/consts.vala: fsogsmd: name unknown phonebooks as unsupported, but allow to query them
Oct 22 22:33:53 <mickeyl> i'll hope i can deploy fsogsmd in a system that does not want dbus
Oct 22 22:33:59 <DocScrutinizer-8> lindi-: so "doesn't do anything" means what? Does modem continue to send unsol msgs?
Oct 22 22:34:05 <mickeyl> it's been designed to support that as well
Oct 22 22:34:34 <lindi-> mickeyl: ah, --type worked, i just had to have ogsmd running ...
Oct 22 22:34:41 <mickeyl> good
Oct 22 22:34:57 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: yep it did
Oct 22 22:35:21 <DocScrutinizer-8> well, glad I wrapped my head around it :-)
Oct 22 22:35:57 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: I see it the other way around, I try to use a minimal number of special tools :)
Oct 22 22:36:45 <mickeyl> yeah
Oct 22 22:36:55 <mickeyl> you're just not the target audience for the full set of tools
Oct 22 22:36:56 <DocScrutinizer-8> hmm, nothing wrong with this - if it meets your taste and needs
Oct 22 22:36:57 <lindi-> and try to build on old, proven parts that I can understand and debug in a reasonable time
Oct 22 22:36:58 <PaulFertser> lindi-: btw, --print-reply implies type method_call so probably you could have used that too.
Oct 22 22:37:20 <lindi-> PaulFertser: whoa, that explains why the script stopped working when I removed that
Oct 22 22:37:34 <DocScrutinizer-8> lol
Oct 22 22:37:41 <lindi-> i didn't want it to print anything extra in the final version so i removed --print-reply
Oct 22 22:37:46 <lindi-> ... since i did not want to print the reply
Oct 22 22:38:12 <DocScrutinizer-8> so much for the "tools I can understand and debug" ;-)
Oct 22 22:38:21 <lindi-> yeah dbus seems to be unnecesary evil
Oct 22 22:39:26 <mickeyl> fso must be antichrist for you then
Oct 22 22:41:15 <lindi-> well in the ideal world i'd probably not have phone calls depends on dbus
Oct 22 22:42:46 <DocScrutinizer-8> michel deBoer (author of twinklephone) refused to use dbus, no matter how hard I pushed. His argument:  "dbus isn't a unix standard"
Oct 22 22:43:01 <lindi-> mickeyl: the library approach you are planning to do sounds promising vrt. that
Oct 22 22:43:12 <lindi-> mickeyl: but then i'm of course suspicious of vala since i don't know it
Oct 22 22:43:21 <mickeyl> don't worry
Oct 22 22:43:23 <mickeyl> it's a C library
Oct 22 22:43:27 <mickeyl> :D
Oct 22 22:44:01 <lindi-> now that i have a second phone i could even start beta testing it
Oct 22 22:44:09 <mickeyl> DocScrutinizer-8: oh well... might as well go back to paper and pen. a computer is not a stone age standard *shrug*
Oct 22 22:44:42 <lindi-> mickeyl: but what are the goals with the library, is it going to change a lot in the future?
Oct 22 22:44:51 <DocScrutinizer-8> heh, even that wasn't convincing enough for Michel ;-P
Oct 22 22:45:04 <mickeyl> lindi-: well, tbh., the library is just a byproduct
Oct 22 22:45:14 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: well there is still the dbus blocker bug that has been open for months, that alone makes me quite suspicious of dbus :(
Oct 22 22:45:29 <DocScrutinizer-8> ack
Oct 22 22:46:01 <DocScrutinizer-8> and I really don't get it those dbus nerds don't fix it
Oct 22 22:46:35 <lindi-> mickeyl: mdbus indeed seems to be quite slow:
Oct 22 22:46:48 <mickeyl> the architecture is similar to ogsmd
Oct 22 22:46:48 <mickeyl> the are mediators which mediate between dbus commands and modem-specific (AT) commands
Oct 22 22:46:48 <mickeyl> the mediators are implemented in the library
Oct 22 22:46:48 <mickeyl> the dbus commands are not
Oct 22 22:46:50 <mickeyl> so you could use the library to issue the same commands as you issue with dbus
Oct 22 22:46:52 <mickeyl> you just have to write a bit extraglue
Oct 22 22:46:58 <mickeyl> i recommend going the dbus route though
Oct 22 22:47:00 <mickeyl> for various reasons
Oct 22 22:47:16 <mickeyl> yes, very slow. it's in python and xml
Oct 22 22:47:28 <mickeyl> mdbus2 is pretty fast, but can't call yet
Oct 22 22:47:34 <mickeyl> for introspection it's nice already though
Oct 22 22:47:44 <lindi-> mickeyl: maybe i'll have separate dedicated dbus just for phone calls then :)
Oct 22 22:47:52 <mickeyl> sounds good
Oct 22 22:47:53 <lindi-> with nice -20
Oct 22 22:48:28 <lindi-> (I never understood how dbus handles process priorities)
Oct 22 22:48:46 <mickeyl> hmm
Oct 22 22:48:50 <lindi-> http://paste.debian.net/49733/
Oct 22 22:48:51 <mickeyl> is that relevant?
Oct 22 22:48:57 <DocScrutinizer-8> lindi-: i'd think a nice -5 is more than enough ;-)
Oct 22 22:48:58 <mickeyl> unless you use dbus process activation
Oct 22 22:49:17 <lindi-> mickeyl: well if some user is spamming the system bus I don't want my calls to be delayed because of that :)
Oct 22 22:49:34 <mickeyl> that's what access control is for
Oct 22 22:49:47 <mickeyl> you don't want the casual user to allow accessing the system bus
Oct 22 22:50:26 <lindi-> mickeyl: but what happened to fine grained access control?
Oct 22 22:50:48 <lindi-> mickeyl: what if I want to give some game access to the LEDs for example?
Oct 22 22:50:49 <mickeyl> hmm, nothing. it's sitting there waiting to be used
Oct 22 22:51:02 <DocScrutinizer-8> lindi-: actually a nice -n -20 might freeze your system via deadlock
Oct 22 22:51:06 <mickeyl> run your faviourite emacs and edit the dbus conf
Oct 22 22:51:25 <lindi-> mickeyl: for example mokomaze use the vibrator LED for force feedback. if it used dbus it'd be sending method calls all the time
Oct 22 22:51:48 <lindi-> mickeyl: but it's still the same dbus-daemon process that handles all requests
Oct 22 22:52:04 <lindi-> hmm, maybe normal user can ddos it trivially, has anybody tried? ;))
Oct 22 22:52:10 <lindi-> s/d//
Oct 22 22:52:11 <apt> lindi- meant: hmm, maybe normal user can dos it trivially, has anybody tried? ;))
Oct 22 22:52:18 <mickeyl> oh, if that's your concern
Oct 22 22:52:30 <mickeyl> noone prevents you from running multiple dbus daemons
Oct 22 22:52:39 <mickeyl> offering custom busses
Oct 22 22:52:57 <mickeyl> so you can run telephony on a special bus
Oct 22 22:52:59 <lindi-> i guess but then that'll be a 'special setup' indeed :)
Oct 22 22:53:12 <mickeyl> yep
Oct 22 22:53:25 <mickeyl> you have a point, of course
Oct 22 22:53:27 <max_posedon> I'm not sure, but isn't regular process priorities enough?
Oct 22 22:53:32 <mickeyl> dbus has no concept of priorities
Oct 22 22:53:36 <mickeyl> on message bus level
Oct 22 22:53:40 <mickeyl> as far as i know
Oct 22 22:53:45 * lindi- goes to write dbus-dos tool...
Oct 22 22:53:51 <max_posedon> e.g. process with nice -5 will be able more often check dbus status
Oct 22 22:54:03 <mickeyl> max_posedon: the problem is the central router
Oct 22 22:54:21 <mickeyl> if you would (theoretically) offer some bogus system service
Oct 22 22:54:24 <mickeyl> that maxes out the bus
Oct 22 22:54:30 <mickeyl> everything else would starve
Oct 22 22:54:41 <mickeyl> it's a pathological case, but that's what multiple busses are for
Oct 22 22:54:50 <mickeyl> we have been using the system bus for convenience until now
Oct 22 22:54:56 <mickeyl> might as well open a special telephony bus
Oct 22 22:55:00 <lindi-> controlling LEDs over dbus sounds like such a case :)
Oct 22 22:55:01 <mickeyl> or framework bus
Oct 22 22:55:17 <lindi-> and just think of the context switches
Oct 22 22:55:26 * DocScrutinizer-8 seems to have heard sth like that on.. err... a strange thing called internet?
Oct 22 22:55:47 <DocScrutinizer-8> "/ on / about /
Oct 22 22:55:49 <lindi-> yeah i've ranted about this before, sorry
Oct 22 22:57:19 <DocScrutinizer-8> for internet some guys tried to get around that with a concept of QOS/TOS
Oct 22 22:58:08 <DocScrutinizer-8> of course dedicated dsl-line for voip is the best solution ;-)
Oct 22 22:58:21 <mickeyl> oh btw.
Oct 22 22:58:21 <mickeyl> there are also direct connections
Oct 22 22:58:22 <mickeyl> i.e. you do not always need to go through the daemon
Oct 22 22:58:24 <mickeyl> special setting as well though
Oct 22 22:58:32 <mickeyl> in the game controls led case though, i'd say, request exclusive access to the LEDs and play with them
Oct 22 22:58:35 <mickeyl> this is not what the system has been designed for
Oct 22 22:58:39 <mickeyl> well
Oct 22 22:58:47 <lindi-> mickeyl: how do you request such an access?
Oct 22 22:58:55 <mickeyl> some systems play well in several scenarios and play not so well in other scenarios. DBus is not the best IPC for everything, granted. It works well for a lot of cases though.
Oct 22 22:59:08 <mickeyl> for this case, I'd say enhance the resource system and make the LEDs resources
Oct 22 22:59:22 <lindi-> mickeyl: resources?
Oct 22 22:59:23 <mickeyl> or do it behind FSO
Oct 22 22:59:27 <mickeyl> ah right
Oct 22 22:59:29 <mickeyl> the thing you don't use
Oct 22 22:59:31 <mickeyl> FSO resource
Oct 22 22:59:42 <lindi-> mickeyl: ok but how do those work if not over dbus?
Oct 22 22:59:51 <mickeyl> they access the hardware
Oct 22 23:00:00 <lindi-> mickeyl: by poking /sys?
Oct 22 23:00:00 <mickeyl> which is what every special case app does
Oct 22 23:00:04 <mickeyl> yes
Oct 22 23:00:18 <lindi-> mickeyl: but you need to be root to poke leds in /sys
Oct 22 23:00:35 <mickeyl> indeed. so your game needs root
Oct 22 23:00:40 <lindi-> aiee :(
Oct 22 23:00:55 <mickeyl> yep
Oct 22 23:00:58 <mickeyl> better use dbus then
Oct 22 23:01:03 <lindi-> i player games as root last time when we had svgalib
Oct 22 23:01:10 <lindi->   s/player/played/
Oct 22 23:01:16 <DocScrutinizer-8> I asked about that and got the answer we can set owner/group in /sys same way as for a normal file
Oct 22 23:01:30 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: almost
Oct 22 23:01:33 <DocScrutinizer-8> so why would mokomaze need root?
Oct 22 23:01:49 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: 1) mokomaze writes to 'trigger' file
Oct 22 23:02:05 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: 2) kernel generates two new files, 'delay_on' and 'delay_off' with default permissions
Oct 22 23:02:29 <DocScrutinizer-8> wtf is delay_on/off?
Oct 22 23:02:35 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: for blinking
Oct 22 23:02:45 <DocScrutinizer-8> ouch
Oct 22 23:02:49 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: when trigger contains "timer"
Oct 22 23:03:10 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: so you need to constantly chmod when new files are created
Oct 22 23:03:43 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: writing none to "trigger" removes those files.  and mokomaze wants to alternate between blinking and not blinking vibrator led
Oct 22 23:04:23 <DocScrutinizer-8> kernel should use some sane stanca to create owner/group/perm of those files
Oct 22 23:04:36 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: yep i suggested that in kernel bugzilla
Oct 22 23:04:50 <DocScrutinizer-8> e.g. clone the brightness or trigger perms
Oct 22 23:05:12 <lindi-> but was told to use hald over dbus (hald does not even support blinking yet :()
Oct 22 23:05:40 <mickeyl> argh, hal
Oct 22 23:05:49 <DocScrutinizer-8> last rumour I heard is "hald is deprecated"
Oct 22 23:06:43 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: yes
Oct 22 23:08:01 <DocScrutinizer-8> lindi-: I fully support your/our idea of having sane perms for new sysfs nodes, by cloning some sensibly chosen source file-perm
Oct 22 23:08:07 <DocScrutinizer-8> :-)
Oct 22 23:08:40 <DocScrutinizer-8> if upstream doesn't like it, we need to convince them, or do our own better kernel ;-)
Oct 22 23:09:21 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: well the report is http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11612
Oct 22 23:10:39 <DocScrutinizer-8> probably we need someone to create a patch, and when we tested it, we can ask "upstream" to either accept or comment on it
Oct 22 23:12:05 <DocScrutinizer-8> should be as easy as a 5liner anyway
Oct 22 23:12:14 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer-8: ideally hald also would not run as root
Oct 22 23:12:25 <DocScrutinizer-8> and probably nobody ever notices it 
Oct 22 23:12:30 <lindi-> but hal user would just have access to the /sys nodes it needs
Oct 22 23:12:52 <max_posedon> hald isn't deprecated as technology
Oct 22 23:13:06 <max_posedon> devicekit is exactly like hald, just different implementation
Oct 22 23:13:15 <DocScrutinizer-8> *burrrps*
Oct 22 23:14:08 <mickeyl> so
Oct 22 23:14:16 <mickeyl> forget about these wet dreams and lets improve dbus and FSO instead
Oct 22 23:14:19 <mickeyl> ;)
Oct 22 23:14:48 <max_posedon> and as for me, dbus and hald is good
Oct 22 23:15:02 <lindi-> try to fix the dbus bug :)
Oct 22 23:15:03 <max_posedon> just little funny, when history in konqueror implemented via dbus
Oct 22 23:15:48 <mickeyl> I'd love to, but I feel my time is spent better on a level that i understand
Oct 22 23:16:09 <mickeyl> and atm. i don't have any (special) problems with dbus
Oct 22 23:16:14 <mickeyl> things seem to work quite well
Oct 22 23:17:30 <DocScrutinizer-8> this dbus bug is opening a window for race. you never can say "things work fine now"
Oct 22 23:18:02 <DocScrutinizer-8> except you never use the stinky function
Oct 22 23:18:43 <lindi-> also restarting dbus seems to require restarting all applications that use it
Oct 22 23:19:13 <lindi-> (I guess it could be avoided if applications were designed to cope with this)
Oct 22 23:19:22 <max_posedon> lindi-, all applications should be reasy to restarting dbus by design)
Oct 22 23:19:26 <max_posedon> *ready
Oct 22 23:19:36 <lindi-> max_posedon: but they aren't
Oct 22 23:19:44 <max_posedon> good example for testing dbus is kde4, try
Oct 22 23:21:58 <lindi-> mickeyl: oh and btw, i solved the video problem, i should be able to demonstrate how slow composition is here tomorrow
Oct 22 23:27:12 <mickeyl> cool
Oct 22 23:31:06 <max_posedon> btw, mickeyl did frameworkd support python-3.1?
Oct 22 23:36:18 <mickeyl> max_posedon: no, and it probably never will. By the time the dependencies have been ported to python 3.1 we will all be using the Vala implementation.
Oct 22 23:37:39 <max_posedon> hm, good and bad in same time, because always will be smth like opimd
Oct 22 23:39:10 <max_posedon> btw, is any change to get framework snapshot before his death?)
Oct 22 23:39:16 <max_posedon> *chanse*
Oct 22 23:43:21 <mickeyl> Sure, when the next release is due (later this year), i'll cut a tarball again
Oct 22 23:43:54 <mickeyl> As for opimd, I expect this to be ported to Vala as well
Oct 22 23:44:22 <mickeyl> And new subsystems will not debut in Python, but rather in Vala directly
Oct 22 23:44:24 <max_posedon> very nice
Oct 22 23:52:34 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03lukpank 07libeflvala * r54ebe67bd02f 10/vapi/ (edje.vapi evas.vapi): fix free_function of Evas.Object and Edje.Object
Oct 22 23:52:36 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r5121eb74467b 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: add middle_bring_in for genlist
Oct 22 23:52:37 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03lukpank 07libeflvala * r0f3a23c0cbd7 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: bind Scroller.policy_set
Oct 22 23:52:38 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03lukpank 07libeflvala * r2663d17f8872 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: ListItem.label_get and Entry.entry_get return unowned string
Oct 23 00:13:58 <mickeyl> *yawn*
Oct 23 00:13:59 <mickeyl> n8
Oct 23 00:34:43 <CIA-26> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * r6cb65bec0df7 10/src/view/message-show-view.c: added a FIXME
Oct 23 00:35:33 <CIA-26> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r42d4defc2c4b 10/src/ (phoneui-utility.c phoneui-utility.h): removed the deprecated contact cache functions
Oct 23 00:35:33 <CIA-26> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r04d0c794a994 10/src/ (phoneui.c phoneui.h.in): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git.shr-project.org/libphone-ui
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