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Nov 01 06:29:01 <rebelThor> what's up with <string>:100: DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecate, and how can we get rid of it? :)
Nov 01 07:17:06 <spaetz> rebelThor, update bitbake code, or ignore unless you use python3
Nov 01 07:17:51 <spaetz> mrmoku|away, buildhost sqlite failed
Nov 01 07:38:23 <rebelThor> spaetz: would you believe that a modification like https://fedorahosted.org/suds/attachment/ticket/55/sets_deprecation.patch would solve this?
Nov 01 07:38:56 <TeLLuS> I get this segfault when selecting dir in intone.. http://pastebin.com/d8ebef95 from mrmoku/unstable/feed
Nov 01 07:38:59 <rebelThor> i can't test it atm since it's still building the shr-image, but i'll do it in a few
Nov 01 07:40:49 <BillK_>  am getting "error: pathspec 'shr/merge' did not match any file(s) known to git" when
Nov 01 07:41:11 <spaetz> rebelThor, sth like this, yes. but ii don't know if bitbake would even consider such a  patch
Nov 01 07:41:13 <BillK_> trying to update shr-unstable after switching to shr/merge - what jave I missed?
Nov 01 07:41:26 <BillK_> s/jave/have/
Nov 01 07:41:26 <apt> BillK_ meant: trying to update shr-unstable after switching to shr/merge - what have I missed?
Nov 01 07:42:14 <spaetz> BillK_, no clue if just 'make updatee' is sufficient to fetch the shr/merge branch
Nov 01 07:42:24 <spaetz> make setup needed
Nov 01 07:43:00 <spaetz> i ended up deleting shr-unstable dir and doing  make setup again...
Nov 01 07:43:40 <rebelThor> BillK_: I got my shr/merge branch manually.. a.k.a. make setup using the old makefile, cd shr-unstable and remove openembededed, git clone git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded; cd openembedded; git checkout -b shr/merge origin/shr/merge and you're all set.. and when you need to update, do a "git pull" in the shr-unstable/openembedded folder
Nov 01 07:44:31 <BillK_> looks like its delete & start again - make setup didnt help.
Nov 01 07:50:50 <TeLLuS> Intone works with the enter dir button. but no more direct klicking.
Nov 01 08:10:47 <TeLLuS> Alignment trap: intone (1679) PC=0x40433f4c Instr=0xe594200c Address=0x7273753b FSR 0x003    Alignment trap: shr-messages (1674) PC=0x401ad104 Instr=0xe7920104 Address=0x00000001 FSR 0x013   Alignment trap: intone (1865) PC=0x40046330 Instr=0xe5920000 Address=0x746f6e41 FSR 0x003
Nov 01 08:15:19 <spaetz> BillK_, you moddified Makefile?
Nov 01 08:15:42 <spaetz> to say shr/merge rather thann shr/import?
Nov 01 08:15:57 <spaetz> that did the trick for me...
Nov 01 08:16:46 <spaetz> but i do hope that mrmoku modifies the makefile today to  make use of shr/merge automatically
Nov 01 08:43:01 <BillK_> spaetz: yse, thats what I did + make setup, but seems it wasnt enough :(
Nov 01 08:47:18 <BillK_> spaetz: rm -rf * + make setup + make update + make image has started
Nov 01 08:54:27 <rebelThor> BillK_: that will start the build on shr/import, is that what you want?
Nov 01 08:59:33 <mrmoku> hmm
Nov 01 08:59:39 <mrmoku> tclsh ./tool/mksqlite3h.tcl . >sqlite3.h
Nov 01 08:59:44 <mrmoku> :(
Nov 01 09:00:14 <JaMa> its from new version?
Nov 01 09:01:53 <mrmoku> yup
Nov 01 09:02:00 <mrmoku> building tcl-native now
Nov 01 09:03:12 <JaMa> hmm I haven't built tcl-native, but I have tcl on buildhost again..
Nov 01 09:03:44 <rebelThor> NOTE: Running task 7980 of 7983 :D
Nov 01 09:05:24 <JaMa> but then it will fail because of missing fso-abyss :)
Nov 01 09:05:37 <rebelThor> JaMa: already built fso-abyss manually
Nov 01 09:05:46 <rebelThor> since i've build shr-lite-image first, and then shr-image
Nov 01 09:05:48 <JaMa> oh good :)
Nov 01 09:05:59 <rebelThor> what's up with that, how come it doesn't get built by default ?
Nov 01 09:06:21 <Gnutoo> hi,what's the commit before the eglibc switch in shr/merge branch...beacuse I'm just before the DISTRO_PR bump
Nov 01 09:06:35 <Gnutoo> (I only want to build mplayer)
Nov 01 09:06:54 <JaMa> eglibc switch? its quite old.. 
Nov 01 09:07:10 <JaMa> and mplayer in shr/merge is without -vo glamo
Nov 01 09:08:59 <Gnutoo> yes
Nov 01 09:09:05 <Gnutoo> I only need the svn one
Nov 01 09:09:12 <Gnutoo> with custom prints
Nov 01 09:09:33 <Gnutoo> because I advanced in alsa...and now I need to see what's happening in mplayer
Nov 01 09:09:43 * rebelThor is happy the shr/merge is finally done
Nov 01 09:10:23 <Gnutoo> ah no 
Nov 01 09:10:33 <rebelThor> mrmoku, JaMa: anything you'd like me to test ?
Nov 01 09:10:33 <Gnutoo> you're right for eglibc
Nov 01 09:10:37 <Gnutoo> so it should be fine
Nov 01 09:11:36 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: do you have an image on buildhost?
Nov 01 09:11:36 <JaMa> rebelThor: sure, try to boot it and if xorg doesn't start then test if dbus is segfaulting for you too
Nov 01 09:12:35 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: no
Nov 01 09:12:39 <mrmoku> failed on sqlite
Nov 01 09:12:43 <Heinervdm> ok
Nov 01 09:23:47 <mrmoku> hmm... failed again
Nov 01 09:25:14 <mrmoku> guess new sqlite is toooo new for our buildhost :P
Nov 01 09:26:36 <JaMa> and 3.6.18 works?
Nov 01 09:29:08 <mrmoku> JaMa: if 3.6.18 is the old one, then yes... never had problems with it
Nov 01 09:29:19 <JaMa> tcl was used in 3.6.18 already..
Nov 01 09:29:32 <JaMa> mrmoku: old one was 3.6.5
Nov 01 09:29:43 <JaMa> mrmoku: can you try to build 3.6.18?
Nov 01 09:29:59 <Heinervdm> 3.6.13 was the old one
Nov 01 09:30:11 <JaMa> ah there is just 3.6.13...
Nov 01 09:30:12 <JaMa> nvm
Nov 01 09:30:59 <mrmoku> retrying with cleaning now
Nov 01 09:31:21 * JaMa reflashing
Nov 01 09:32:41 * rebelThor booting shr/merge :>
Nov 01 09:34:01 <rebelThor> how come it has the "handy" boot screen?
Nov 01 09:34:12 <rebelThor> that's weird
Nov 01 09:37:43 <rebelThor> JaMa: doesn't look like X is starting.. what else was there to check ?
Nov 01 09:40:12 <BillK_> rebelThor: I dont think so - I edited the Makefile & changed it to shr/merge before starting.
Nov 01 09:40:33 <rebelThor> BillK_: make update will also update the makefile afaik
Nov 01 09:41:49 <JaMa> rebelThor: ssh in and try /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
Nov 01 09:42:09 <BillK_> rebelThor: the only mentiond of shr-import were in the common Makefile. which I changed.
Nov 01 09:42:09 <mrmoku> BillK_: yep, if you wget the Makefile, change it and then do make setup
Nov 01 09:42:18 <mrmoku> ahh ok
Nov 01 09:42:25 <rebelThor> JaMa: Segmentation fault
Nov 01 09:42:42 <JaMa> now we need nice backtrace
Nov 01 09:42:51 <JaMa> and/or patch :)
Nov 01 09:42:53 <rebelThor> how do we get that :)
Nov 01 09:43:04 <BillK_> Is there a log entry to verify whats building - I cant trust the scrollback because I have been switching in screen
Nov 01 09:43:19 <TeLLuS> rebelThor: check dmesg for  Alignment trap
Nov 01 09:43:37 <rebelThor> TeLLuS: [21474751.765000] Alignment trap: python (1844) PC=0x40390c5c Instr=0x28001c05 Address=0xffffffff FSR 0x813
Nov 01 09:44:00 <TeLLuS> rebelThor: Got plenty of them here also
Nov 01 09:44:17 <TeLLuS> Some gcc or lib problem..?
Nov 01 09:44:33 <mrmoku> JaMa: after cleaning and rebuilding sqlite3 it worked :)
Nov 01 09:46:22 <JaMa> mrmoku: so should I add tcl-native to DEPENDS?
Nov 01 09:47:21 <mrmoku> think so yes
Nov 01 09:47:25 <JaMa> BillK_: and screen scrollback doesn't work for you? ^A [ ?
Nov 01 10:15:52 <rebelThor> so anyone got any clue on what's up with X and dbus? :)
Nov 01 10:17:18 <JaMa> rebelThor: there is no problem in X... its just dbus.. e11 is not started without dbus
Nov 01 10:17:25 <JaMa> e17 :)
Nov 01 10:17:33 <Heinervdm> JaMa: dbus 1.3.0?
Nov 01 10:17:49 <Heinervdm> JaMa: should we try an older version? 1.2.x?
Nov 01 10:18:52 <JaMa> no.. I'm on it..
Nov 01 10:19:03 <JaMa> it segfaults only when config file is not found
Nov 01 10:19:20 <JaMa> and it wants also /etc/dbus-1/system-local.conf
Nov 01 10:19:24 <JaMa> not just system.conf
Nov 01 10:19:33 <Heinervdm> oh
Nov 01 10:20:18 <JaMa> <include ignore_missing="yes">system-local.conf</include>
Nov 01 10:20:32 <JaMa> ignore_missing is not workint.. because it segfaults
Nov 01 10:21:12 <Heinervdm> JaMa: so that's a bug in that dbus version
Nov 01 10:21:14 <JaMa> rebelThor: remove that line from /etc/dbus-1/system.conf and you should be ok
Nov 01 10:21:28 <JaMa> Heinervdm: yes.. but it worked before..
Nov 01 10:21:49 <JaMa> same version eglibc without last 2 patches and without thumb
Nov 01 10:23:35 <BillK_> JaMa: no it had already gone past screens buffer - its the gnome-terminal buffer that screen is running I have to use - and thats a mess :( 
Nov 01 10:24:25 <JaMa> BillK_: ah, thats why I have neverending screen buffer :)
Nov 01 10:25:27 <JaMa> Heinervdm: hmm segfaulting somewhere later too even when include removed and dbus-daemon started ok..
Nov 01 10:25:38 <JaMa> Heinervdm: I'll try that older version just in case
Nov 01 10:35:09 <rebelThor> JaMa: removed <include ignore_missing="yes">system-local.conf</include> and still segfaults
Nov 01 10:40:23 <JaMa> rebelThor: hmm segfaulting somewhere later too even when include removed and dbus-daemon started ok..
Nov 01 10:44:53 <JaMa> Heinervdm, rebelThor: dbus_1.2.3 works
Nov 01 10:45:23 <Heinervdm> JaMa: will you commit it?
Nov 01 10:46:00 <JaMa> Heinervdm: not yet
Nov 01 10:47:49 <JaMa> there is another problem :( http://shr.pastebin.com/m5a83548
Nov 01 10:49:29 <jMcCloud|away> JaMa: when does this happen?
Nov 01 10:50:01 <JaMa> jMcCloud|away: latest shr/merge
Nov 01 10:50:53 <jMcCloud> JaMa: that i know, but at what point in booting does e17 segv?
Nov 01 10:53:28 <JaMa> jMcCloud: just after x connect
Nov 01 10:54:21 <JaMa> jMcCloud: http://pastebin.ca/1651390
Nov 01 10:56:39 <CIA-26> SHR: 03mok 07phonefsod * r144efcb3519c 10/src/ (phonefsod-fso.c phonefsod-fso.h): fso: fix error handling in list resources callback and auth status callback
Nov 01 10:56:42 <mrmoku> jMcCloud: think I fixed the phonefsod issue
Nov 01 10:57:22 <mrmoku> building now
Nov 01 10:57:37 <jMcCloud> mrmoku: coolio. tell me when a package is up to test
Nov 01 10:57:49 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: yup
Nov 01 11:00:25 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku: did you take a look at dos1's test.edj?
Nov 01 11:01:05 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: yup, some days ago
Nov 01 11:01:30 <JesusMcCloud> most of it can be used for active call screen aswell
Nov 01 11:04:44 <mrmoku> hehe, did not see the interesting part some days ago :P
Nov 01 11:04:49 <mrmoku> just the zooming thing
Nov 01 11:04:50 <JesusMcCloud> i just noticed i gtg, 
Nov 01 11:04:53 <mrmoku> not the dragable thing :)
Nov 01 11:04:55 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: cu
Nov 01 11:05:07 <mrmoku> build will be ready when you come back
Nov 01 11:05:10 <JesusMcCloud> cu (will be back i about 2-3 hours)
Nov 01 11:05:13 <JesusMcCloud> thx!
Nov 01 11:18:39 <betheg> mrmoku: what is when status==SIM_UNKNOWN in _sim_auth_status_callback() then you call phoneuid_notification_show_sim_auth(SIM_UNKNOWN) but thats wrong or? sorry but i try to understand the new shr tel app.
Nov 01 11:33:08 <mrmoku> betheg: phonefsod?
Nov 01 11:34:00 <betheg> mrmoku: sorry yes phonefsod.
Nov 01 11:34:23 <betheg> mrmoku: phonefsod-fso.c
Nov 01 11:35:23 <mrmoku> betheg: well... might be wrong yes
Nov 01 11:35:32 <mrmoku> (to call it on status != SIM_READY)
Nov 01 11:35:47 <mrmoku> we might just want to show the NO SIM dialog in that case
Nov 01 11:36:27 <mrmoku> betheg: lunch time now... will do that afterwards
Nov 01 11:40:02 <TeLLuS> vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala  vala-1.0.vapi:6.2-6.98: error: `Gee' already contains a definition for `ArrayList' 
Nov 01 11:40:46 <betheg> mrmoku|away: ok thanks
Nov 01 11:53:26 <vanous123> anyone has a bit of time for a simple python learning script?
Nov 01 11:53:27 <vanous123> i am trying to craft something like this, but it still is not running... http://pastebin.com/d75671422 
Nov 01 11:55:21 <Heinervdm> vanous123: you have to run that class
Nov 01 12:00:16 <vanous123> ok, so i added 
Nov 01 12:00:16 <vanous123> a=Battery()
Nov 01 12:00:16 <vanous123> a.Run()
Nov 01 12:00:54 <vanous123> but the strange thing is, that when i look into shr-settings, thy do not call bus=dbus.SystemBus() like this anywhere
Nov 01 12:01:04 <vanous123> aaa, dos here, he might help me :))
Nov 01 12:01:57 <Heinervdm> shr-settings is quite complex
Nov 01 12:02:12 <Heinervdm> so it can be called somewhere you will never find it
Nov 01 12:02:30 <vanous123> hmm, yes, that's it...
Nov 01 12:04:00 <vanous123> dos1: are you here?
Nov 01 12:04:32 <vanous123> :)
Nov 01 12:04:58 <dos1> vanous123: no :D
Nov 01 12:05:02 <dos1> vanous123: what's the problem?
Nov 01 12:05:25 <vanous123> nor a problem for y python guru :)
Nov 01 12:05:49 <vanous123> this is what i try to do: http://pastebin.com/d75671422
Nov 01 12:06:00 <vanous123> just hand on a signal and when it changes, print it
Nov 01 12:06:16 <vanous123> s/hand/hang onto /
Nov 01 12:06:18 <apt> vanous123 meant: just hang onto  on a signal and when it changes, print it
Nov 01 12:06:44 <vanous123> but
Nov 01 12:07:13 <vanous123> this is partially from shr-settings
Nov 01 12:07:41 <vanous123> but, i have to manually do the dbus.SystemBus thing, which isn't anywhere in that script
Nov 01 12:07:51 <vanous123> and so than it complains
Nov 01 12:07:59 <vanous123> and doesn't run
Nov 01 12:08:37 <dos1> vanous123: self.bus
Nov 01 12:08:41 <dos1> IIRC
Nov 01 12:08:49 <vanous123> yes, but that doesn't work...
Nov 01 12:09:08 <vanous123> and i cannot figure out where self.bus comes from
Nov 01 12:09:10 <dos1> sorry, afk
Nov 01 12:09:50 <vanous123> hmm :(, thank you anyways...
Nov 01 12:09:53 <vanous123> :)
Nov 01 12:14:56 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rebd78b7ecd3c 10/vapi/ (elm.vapi evas.vapi): elm.vapi|evas.vapi: minor API updates
Nov 01 12:14:57 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rc7479b86e50b 10/vapi/evas.vapi: vapi/evas: bind new map stuff
Nov 01 12:17:01 <vanous123> huh, shr-today seems to be a bit simpler, will check it out now :)
Nov 01 12:25:12 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r5efa6e5fdf2a 10/vapi/evas.vapi: vapi/evas: bind even more map stuff
Nov 01 12:36:21 <khiraly> hi9
Nov 01 12:52:33 <vanous123> hmm, shr-today uses e_dbus for loop, is there not an example of gobject looping... :(
Nov 01 13:18:30 <TeLLuS> mrmoku: Have you noticed the Alignment trap errors? 
Nov 01 13:25:31 <dos1> vanous123: i'm back
Nov 01 13:25:52 <dos1> vanous123: self.bus comes from constructor of module object
Nov 01 13:26:00 <dos1> vanous123: it's in shr_settings_modules/module.py
Nov 01 13:26:30 <dos1> vanous123: and shr-settings also uses e_dbus
Nov 01 13:31:53 <vanous123> dos1: yeah, i can see the e_dbus call, this is for looping i guess,
Nov 01 13:32:29 <vanous123> i am trying to make it work with DBusGMainLoop (in order tot eliminate e_dbus) but no luck yet
Nov 01 13:33:22 <vanous123> dos1: i looked at shr-today, but it also uses e_dbus
Nov 01 13:33:38 <dos1> vanous123: why for?
Nov 01 13:33:43 <vanous123> and i cannot find an  example of just plain dbus
Nov 01 13:33:49 <dos1> you have to use e_dbus
Nov 01 13:33:54 <dos1> when using elementary
Nov 01 13:34:01 <vanous123> yes
Nov 01 13:34:11 <dos1> you can also use DBusGMainLoop, but then you have to integrate it with e_dbus
Nov 01 13:34:28 <vanous123> well, this is will use with my simple gps app
Nov 01 13:34:36 <vanous123> but for now 
Nov 01 13:34:47 <vanous123> i need just plain python interface
Nov 01 13:35:01 <vanous123> and would like to eliminate e_dbus
Nov 01 13:35:15 <vanous123> but i still need that loop in order to get signals
Nov 01 13:35:33 <vanous123> this is what python is poring on me in errors 
Nov 01 13:36:23 <vanous123> s/poring/pouring/
Nov 01 13:36:23 <apt> vanous123 meant: this is what python is pouring on me in errors 
Nov 01 13:39:43 <alexxy> hi all!
Nov 01 13:40:23 <alexxy> TAsn: mrmoku|away: can you reproduce that default volume for call with latests phonefsod and phoneuid is 0?
Nov 01 13:49:37 <dos1> vanous123: plain python?
Nov 01 13:49:43 <dos1> vanous123: then don't base on shr-settings ;p
Nov 01 13:50:37 <vanous123> thank you :), good suggestion
Nov 01 13:51:49 <vanous123> but in fact, i have not found an example where only python would be listening to signals... surely there must be one, but no luck...
Nov 01 13:52:01 <vanous123> need something simple
Nov 01 13:52:03 <vanous123> :)
Nov 01 14:02:35 <dos1> mdbus?
Nov 01 14:06:46 <vanous123> dos1: simple, not silly :)
Nov 01 14:07:15 <dos1> vanous123: geekogotchi-server?
Nov 01 14:07:16 <dos1> :P
Nov 01 14:07:28 <dos1> well, most of scripts i used were based on e_dbus
Nov 01 14:07:57 <dos1> (and well... it doesn't really make difference :P)
Nov 01 14:12:49 <pbaxter> someone knows what is this? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/cb02d4d9a41ea1ca0b28992c678177f7.png
Nov 01 14:13:25 <rebelThor> pbaxter: yeah, dos1's new splash screen :)
Nov 01 14:13:30 <rebelThor> iirc
Nov 01 14:13:36 <pbaxter> rebelThor: thanks
Nov 01 14:13:47 <pbaxter> rebelThor: do you know where is new image of SHR released?
Nov 01 14:14:34 <rebelThor> pbaxter: there's no really "new" image available, at least not from the shr/merge branch, but the newest that I know of is at http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/
Nov 01 14:14:50 <rebelThor> though that's an old branch, that will be discontinued. although it's quite usable as a phone ;)
Nov 01 14:14:51 <pbaxter> rebelThor: this i know too, thanks ;)
Nov 01 14:16:13 <spaetz> pbaxter, whenever  compilation suceeds and the image boots...
Nov 01 14:16:47 <rebelThor> spaetz: it builds fine now, and it almost boots, but we're having segfaults in dbus :D
Nov 01 14:16:47 <spaetz> still compiling on buildhost, it seems
Nov 01 14:17:06 <spaetz> rebelThor, ahh :-(
Nov 01 14:17:16 <rebelThor> if we'd get dbus to actually start, we'd have X ! :D
Nov 01 14:17:38 <rebelThor> JaMa was working on this issue earlier, I would too, but i'm clueless on how to handle segfaults :)
Nov 01 14:19:28 <pbaxter> spaetz rebelThor : what are you saying? which image doesn't work?
Nov 01 14:19:41 <rebelThor> pbaxter: the new shr/merge branch
Nov 01 14:20:05 <pbaxter> rebelThor: can you give me a link?
Nov 01 14:20:15 <rebelThor> pbaxter: link to what? :-/
Nov 01 14:20:31 <pbaxter> rebelThor: to shr/merge branch
Nov 01 14:21:05 <rebelThor> there's no official image yet, we're building the image on our own computers, and I think mrmoku is in the process of building it on the buildhost atm
Nov 01 14:22:46 <JaMa> spaetz, rebelThor: dbus is ok now.. with older dbus.. e17 is segfaulting but both issues are probably from eglibc.. testing something now..
Nov 01 14:23:18 <rebelThor> JaMa: cool, let me know when it's working so I can update and rebuild, I'm anxious to get it running :D
Nov 01 14:23:26 <jMcCloud|away> JaMa: i dont get it: should eglibc not be fully compatible with glibc?
Nov 01 14:24:23 <JaMa> jMcCloud|away: it should be.. but there is lots of patches for glibc/eglibc in oe repo and some are maybe still missing in eglibc which was in glibc
Nov 01 14:24:57 <JaMa> jMcCloud|away: and almost nobody is using eglibc on armv4t.. thats why we had Illegal instruction before..
Nov 01 14:24:58 <jMcCloud|away> JaMa: so the problem is not eglibc, but unorganization!?
Nov 01 14:25:35 <JesusMcCloud> s/unorganizatino/disorganization
Nov 01 14:26:00 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=bd449d860fac2948f0d9109f1cdefd0d2d4a5200 this one was needed to boot image with thumb enabled by default
Nov 01 14:27:28 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: I wouldn't call it disorganization.. there are just some optimalizations not allowed on our old cpu..
Nov 01 14:27:50 <JesusMcCloud> hmmm
Nov 01 14:28:07 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: eglibc is default/well supported/well tested but not on our armv4t
Nov 01 14:29:28 <PaulFertser> dos1: i sometimes use local wikipedia as a dictionary when i don't know a proper name for something i want to learn about. ;)
Nov 01 14:29:55 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: it works ok when thumb is disabled, but then we have bigger binaries and then slower app start..
Nov 01 14:30:24 <JesusMcCloud> we cannot afford even slower apps...
Nov 01 14:31:38 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: that's why i enabled thumb again after 2 patches from khem, image boots, but some apps segfaults now (which is maybe because there is still something missing in eglibc)
Nov 01 14:32:00 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa: so any clue why e refuses to work?
Nov 01 14:32:17 <vanous123> dos1: this is _somple_ : http://pastebin.com/d21ad6ae6 :)
Nov 01 14:32:22 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: I'm rebuilding eglibc without thumb just now, to confirm this
Nov 01 14:32:24 <vanous123> s/somple/simple/
Nov 01 14:32:24 <apt> vanous123 meant: dos1: this is _simple_ : http://pastebin.com/d21ad6ae6 :)
Nov 01 14:32:59 <vanous123> and now :)
Nov 01 14:33:55 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: no usable backtrace sofar.. just http://shr.pastebin.com/m454723ee and I've seen Illegal instruction while running e17 on 2.6.31 here
Nov 01 14:33:58 <vanous123> how do i enable the org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation
Nov 01 14:34:33 <vanous123> is it available in mrmoku/unstable shr?
Nov 01 14:34:44 <vanous123> need to change frameworkd.conf ?
Nov 01 14:35:21 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa: am i the only one or do also still know jack about why its crashing?
Nov 01 14:38:17 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: ?
Nov 01 14:38:38 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa: these three lines actually helped you?
Nov 01 14:39:11 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: not much :)
Nov 01 14:40:39 <JaMa> JesusMcCloud: I've rebuilt it first with -O0 -g3 -ggdb, eglibc-dbg is installed but there is still debug info missing from that backtrace
Nov 01 14:42:03 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa: so is the debugger or the dbg package the problem?
Nov 01 14:43:15 <JesusMcCloud> brb
Nov 01 14:43:24 <vanous123> how is it witht the fsodeviced, are we using it already?
Nov 01 14:46:18 <vanous123> in shr?
Nov 01 15:06:01 <dos1> vanous123: no
Nov 01 15:06:05 <dos1> vanous123: but it's available in repo
Nov 01 15:26:09 <TAsn> alexxy, yes.
Nov 01 15:26:19 <TAsn> we haven't finished implementing that.
Nov 01 15:26:42 <TAsn> so atm the volume isn't always set (missing callback for alsa mixer change)
Nov 01 15:27:24 <TAsn> brb
Nov 01 15:32:38 <mrmoku> NOTE: Running task 4400 of 7198
Nov 01 15:32:50 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: did upgrading solve phonefsod on boot issue?
Nov 01 15:33:02 <TAsnn> mrmoku, hey :)
Nov 01 15:33:11 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku: you, fisrt reboot broke autosuspend, but now everything is fine
Nov 01 15:33:18 <JesusMcCloud> s/you/yup/
Nov 01 15:33:19 <mrmoku> good
Nov 01 15:33:20 <apt> JesusMcCloud meant: mrmoku: yup, fisrt reboot broke autosuspend, but now everything is fine
Nov 01 15:34:32 <vanous123> dos1: yes?
Nov 01 15:36:36 <vanous123> what package is it?
Nov 01 15:37:03 <mrmoku> TAsnn: how was the wave?
Nov 01 15:37:19 <TAsnn> yesterday? AWESOME>
Nov 01 15:37:26 <TAsnn> unfortunately it was also awesome today
Nov 01 15:37:29 <TAsnn> but I had to work :(
Nov 01 15:37:38 <TAsnn> hopefully I'll take a day off tomorrow to go surfing.
Nov 01 15:37:39 <mrmoku> hehe, life is not always fun ;) 
Nov 01 15:37:58 <rebelThor> mrmoku: any clue on the segfault on dbus? :D
Nov 01 15:38:11 <mrmoku> rebelThor: no
Nov 01 15:38:21 <mrmoku> I'm using shr/import image
Nov 01 15:38:28 <mrmoku> to get something done in phonefsod/phoneuid
Nov 01 15:38:51 <rebelThor> oh.. ok.. I'm trying shr/merge, and I think we'll have something actually working once we get over this dbus issue
Nov 01 15:39:41 <mrmoku> yup
Nov 01 15:43:59 <spaetz_> sent info mail to mailing lists
Nov 01 15:45:27 <Heinervdm> spaetzAFK: you should send that to om-community too
Nov 01 15:45:47 <blindcoder> nice announcement :)
Nov 01 15:46:49 * rebelThor hates pidgin
Nov 01 15:48:22 <blindcoder> offtopic question: anyone here using gnome-terminal? I'm using it on ubuntu and keep getting a strange character (for example in vim when pressing cursor keys after EOL or in shell when pressnig tab)
Nov 01 15:50:37 <rebelThor> blindcoder: I'm using gnome-terminal and I don't think I have those issues.. can you provide further details on how to reproduce?
Nov 01 15:51:31 <rebelThor> pressing tab... works :) so do arrow keys in vim
Nov 01 15:55:12 <TAsnn> JaMa, we now get the new alsa automatically, right?
Nov 01 15:57:45 <mrmoku> spaetzAFK: yup, very nice mail... exactly what was missing :)
Nov 01 15:59:34 <spaetz> i don't have all the info myselff, but this is better than nothing
Nov 01 16:00:34 <Heinervdm> spaetz: can you send that to openmoko-communtiy ML too? because not all users are reading shr-users ML
Nov 01 16:01:02 <spaetz> i'm on my n800 now
Nov 01 16:01:02 <blindcoder> rebelThor: http://pallas.crash-override.net/~blindcoder/screenshot.png
Nov 01 16:01:09 <blindcoder> rebelThor: that's what it looks like here
Nov 01 16:01:27 <spaetz> and i'm not on the ccommunity list annymore
Nov 01 16:01:35 <TAsnn> spaetz, I'm not there as well :)
Nov 01 16:01:40 <rebelThor> blindcoder: nope, don't have that on my system
Nov 01 16:01:40 <TAsnn> someone who's there
Nov 01 16:01:42 <TAsnn> please forward.
Nov 01 16:01:44 <blindcoder> damn
Nov 01 16:01:54 <blindcoder> rebelThor: what's your $LANG set to?
Nov 01 16:01:59 <spaetz> Heinervdm, do you mind forwarding the mail?
Nov 01 16:02:00 <JaMa> TAsnn: yes
Nov 01 16:02:03 <Heinervdm> TAsnn, spaetz: Ok then i will forward it
Nov 01 16:02:07 <TAsnn> Heinervdm, thanks.
Nov 01 16:02:12 <spaetz> thanks a bunch
Nov 01 16:02:14 <TAsn> JaMa, yay. :)
Nov 01 16:02:16 <rebelThor> blindcoder: en_US.UTF-8
Nov 01 16:02:25 <blindcoder> rebelThor: hmm... maybe it's the ssh+screen then
Nov 01 16:02:40 <blindcoder> rebelThor: okay, thanks so far :)
Nov 01 16:02:44 <JaMa> TAsn: but its not applied yet..
Nov 01 16:02:56 <TAsn> oh.
Nov 01 16:02:58 <TAsn> mrmoku, :|
Nov 01 16:06:23 <mrmoku> what, where when?
Nov 01 16:06:24 <mrmoku> :P
Nov 01 16:07:38 <mrmoku> playya_: ping
Nov 01 16:07:54 <mrmoku> playya_: your gypsy patches are needed for shr/merge too?
Nov 01 16:09:29 <spaetz> JesusMcCloud, sorry for misspelling you horribly in my mail
Nov 01 16:09:59 <JesusMcCloud> spaetz: no harm done
Nov 01 16:10:20 <CIA-26> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r8e581a773dc5 10/src/phoneui-utils-sound.c: Added a debug message and setting sound_state on init and deinit.
Nov 01 16:24:01 <playya_> mrmoku, i did test them on the device, because i don't have a booting image and my pc is in a box :(
Nov 01 16:25:27 <mrmoku> ohhh... still moving :|
Nov 01 16:26:17 <vanous123> dos1 or anyone: so what do i have to install to test the fsodevice(d)'s org.freesmartphone.Device.Orientation?
Nov 01 16:26:38 <mrmoku> vanous123: fsodeviced :)
Nov 01 16:27:22 <vanous123> i try enabling it in frameworkd.conf but no luck, opkg search fsodevice
Nov 01 16:27:22 <vanous123>  returns nothing...
Nov 01 16:31:18 <mrmoku> ###
Nov 01 16:31:25 <mrmoku> uups
Nov 01 16:40:35 <alexxy> mrmoku: TAsn: bug with zero volume on call has workaroud =)
Nov 01 16:40:43 <alexxy> if press speaker button
Nov 01 16:40:59 <alexxy> and then handset button then i can hear call again
Nov 01 16:41:28 <TAsn> oh, you actually hear nothing?
Nov 01 16:41:34 <TAsn> that's odd. 
Nov 01 16:41:40 <TAsn> it seems like it's setting the sound.
Nov 01 16:41:43 <TAsn> I'll read the logs soon.
Nov 01 16:42:23 * alexxy ready to test =)
Nov 01 16:44:50 <TAsn> please grep "Setting sound state" /var/log/phoneuid.log
Nov 01 16:45:23 * Q-Master wonders how could gnash play flashes on neo. 8)
Nov 01 16:45:34 <TAsn> oops
Nov 01 16:45:42 <TAsn> nvm, you shouldn't have that as it was added in the last commit I made.
Nov 01 16:46:18 <CIA-26> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r0dff42c85f55 10/src/phoneui-utils-sound.c: relocated the dbug message about setting sound state
Nov 01 16:47:08 <TAsn> ok, I think I know what's wrong.
Nov 01 16:47:12 <TAsn> just don't know where.
Nov 01 16:47:12 <TAsn> :)
Nov 01 16:47:27 <TAsn> ok found it.
Nov 01 16:47:29 <TAsn> I'm an idiot. :)
Nov 01 16:47:42 <Q-Master> very self-critical. 8)
Nov 01 16:48:34 <CIA-26> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r22e574990148 10/src/phoneui-utils-sound.c: fixed the can't hear anything bug
Nov 01 16:48:36 <TAsn> alexxy, fixed. :)
Nov 01 16:48:49 <TAsn> Q-Master, I live with myself all the time
Nov 01 16:48:57 <TAsn> I have to know when I'm doing something wrong.
Nov 01 16:48:58 <Q-Master> TAsn: 8)
Nov 01 16:49:08 * mrmoku wonders if he should propose tasn for the health nobel ;)
Nov 01 16:49:11 <alexxy> TAsn: so mrmoku should compile it?
Nov 01 16:50:06 * Q-Master suspects that you're testing new image, and wonders where to update from?
Nov 01 16:51:16 <TAsn> alexxy, only if he wants to.
Nov 01 16:52:23 <dos1> TAsn: niebiee added to contest page :P
Nov 01 16:52:47 <TAsn> dos1, yay, thanks :)
Nov 01 16:52:55 * TAsn just hopes it won't get chosen.
Nov 01 16:53:03 <dos1> :D
Nov 01 16:53:16 <dos1> BLUE POWER!
Nov 01 16:53:20 <TAsn> dos1, what about making a dark green (very dark almost brownish, not that green dark green) niebiee?
Nov 01 16:53:27 <Q-Master> dos1: IBM? 8)
Nov 01 16:53:31 <dos1> TAsn: you already proposed that
Nov 01 16:53:40 <TAsn> I know.
Nov 01 16:53:55 <Q-Master> and pink for blondies. 8)
Nov 01 16:54:08 <dos1> if i'll find time, i'll make some theme like this
Nov 01 16:54:26 <dos1> also with colors from logo, etc.
Nov 01 16:55:31 <Q-Master> dos1: have you decided how could the phone or other field type be sent to/from opimd?
Nov 01 16:55:39 <TAsn> alexxy, one small issue still.
Nov 01 16:55:49 <TAsn> (after a call, it won't play the ringtone again{
Nov 01 16:56:00 <alexxy> he he
Nov 01 16:56:19 <dos1> Q-Master: not yet
Nov 01 16:56:21 <alexxy> initial volume during call (or while i try to answer it is 0
Nov 01 16:56:23 <dos1> and no
Nov 01 16:56:31 <alexxy> but other side hear me
Nov 01 16:56:35 <dos1> i refuse to decide anything alone about opimd from now :P
Nov 01 16:56:51 <dos1> there has to be discussion over FSO and SHR developers
Nov 01 16:56:54 <Gnutoo> hi shr people...*why didn't you build with debug in bitbake.conf* ?
Nov 01 16:57:02 <Gnutoo> I have to rebuild everything again...
Nov 01 16:57:03 <dos1> and probably also h:1 and others ;P
Nov 01 16:57:15 <Q-Master> dos1: I don't blame you. just asking. I'll try to think something and publish to discuss...
Nov 01 16:59:03 <Gnutoo> s/build/
Nov 01 16:59:13 <Gnutoo> I'll reformulate:
Nov 01 16:59:32 <Q-Master> dos1: btw, that patch posted to ml is not working for me. it errors on except: and no commands after.
Nov 01 17:00:16 <Gnutoo> knowing that I *need* to debug mplayer and that the debug binaries are useless,and that bitbake.conf is not like .dev's one and doesn't contain ggdb3
Nov 01 17:00:18 <TAsn> alexxy, I know, already fixed that.
Nov 01 17:00:22 <Gnutoo> what should I do to debug mplayer?
Nov 01 17:00:46 <Gnutoo> if I remember well you also use rm-work
Nov 01 17:01:02 <Gnutoo> so do you have space problems?
Nov 01 17:01:40 <TAsn> alexxy, I got an idea, testing that.
Nov 01 17:01:54 <mrmoku> alexxy: built
Nov 01 17:04:32 <TAsn> mrmoku, it's still buggy, but ok. ;)
Nov 01 17:14:37 <alexxy> TAsn: mrmoku:  ok /me started testing it 
Nov 01 17:14:38 <alexxy> =)
Nov 01 17:14:54 <Gnutoo> ah sorry seems to be a .dev's problem
Nov 01 17:18:12 <alexxy> TAsn: mrmoku: neo dont registers to network =(
Nov 01 17:19:01 <mrmoku> heh
Nov 01 17:19:07 * mrmoku off for a pizza :P
Nov 01 17:19:09 <mrmoku> bbl
Nov 01 17:30:11 <rebelThor1> spaetz: shouldn't you post you 
Nov 01 17:30:18 <rebelThor1> *your mainling list message on the blog too ?
Nov 01 17:31:09 <alexxy> TAsn / mrmoku|away : http://pastebin.ca/1651728 frameworkd.log 
Nov 01 17:31:25 <alexxy> TAsn / mrmoku|away : http://pastebin.ca/1651729 phonefsod.log
Nov 01 17:31:41 <alexxy> TAsn / mrmoku|away : http://pastebin.ca/1651730 phoneuid.log
Nov 01 17:32:07 <TAsn> alexxy, 
Nov 01 17:32:09 <TAsn> first of all
Nov 01 17:32:15 <TAsn> no need for phoneuid.log
Nov 01 17:32:18 <TAsn> as it's a ui daemon
Nov 01 17:32:25 <TAsn> nothing related to network
Nov 01 17:32:27 <TAsn> second of all
Nov 01 17:32:38 <TAsn> you don't have fsousaged running
Nov 01 17:32:40 <TAsn> for some reason.
Nov 01 17:33:49 <alexxy> root@om-gta02 ~ $ ps xa | grep fsou
Nov 01 17:33:49 <alexxy>  1593 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/fsousaged
Nov 01 17:33:49 <alexxy>  1644 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep fsou
Nov 01 17:33:59 <TAsn> then it's just not responding
Nov 01 17:34:08 <TAsn> though that's what's wrong.
Nov 01 17:34:18 <alexxy> TAsn: how ca i restart it?
Nov 01 17:34:21 <TAsn> anyhow, I'm off.
Nov 01 17:34:24 <TAsn> alexxy, kill it
Nov 01 17:34:25 <TAsn> start it
Nov 01 17:34:27 <TAsn> (I think)
Nov 01 17:35:45 <alexxy> done
Nov 01 17:35:56 <alexxy> but still dont registered to network
Nov 01 17:36:11 <TAsn> mickeyl, does fso change scenario somewhere outside of the rules? I mean, does ringing means it changes scenario? or if not set by oevents rules it doesn't change scenario?
Nov 01 17:36:19 <TAsn> alexxy, it's a fsousaged issue
Nov 01 17:36:22 <TAsn> it's not responding
Nov 01 17:36:25 <TAsn> no idea why
Nov 01 17:36:28 <TAsn> or how to fix.
Nov 01 17:36:29 <TAsn> I'm off.
Nov 01 17:37:53 <khiraly1> hi
Nov 01 17:39:30 <alexxy> hi khiraly1
Nov 01 17:39:42 <khiraly1> hi alexxy
Nov 01 17:43:06 <alexxy> TAsn: switching to ousaged resolves this issue =)
Nov 01 17:43:12 <TAsn> duh.
Nov 01 17:43:23 <TAsn> because that one surely works
Nov 01 17:43:29 <TAsn> and fsousaged is sometimes broken.
Nov 01 17:45:40 <alexxy> TAsn: also bug with zero initial volume still here
Nov 01 17:45:51 <TAsn> because mrmoku|away haven't built it yet.
Nov 01 17:56:13 <JesusMcCloud> any talented icon designer here? nedd icons for that: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/240077a5f97d42ceec935c4d238d5180.png
Nov 01 18:07:45 <TAsn> ok, now everything should work.
Nov 01 18:07:58 <CIA-26> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * rd867a11f4696 10/src/phoneui-utils-sound.c: Added a debug message
Nov 01 18:12:50 <khiraly1> how can I remove a file from git, so it does not track this file anymore?
Nov 01 18:13:10 <khiraly1> I accidentally added .gitignore, and now it is versioned (I cant ignore .gitignore)
Nov 01 18:13:34 <khiraly1> I happened quite a few weeks back, and dont want to rewrite the whole history (with rebase -i )
Nov 01 18:15:53 <khiraly1> maybe git rm --cached
Nov 01 18:28:59 <pbaxter> khiraly1: hello
Nov 01 18:29:05 <pbaxter> khiraly1: can i disturb you a little?
Nov 01 18:29:51 <khiraly1> pbaxter: yepp
Nov 01 18:30:04 <pbaxter> please read private khiraly1
Nov 01 18:46:19 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: (usb networking) great, i love it when people find proper solutions instead of using clumsy workarounds. OTOH it seems that quite some amount of modern "user-friendly" tools are not designed with "proper" use in mind which makes them over-complicated and that way it's probably you'd better just prepare a set of udev scripts instead ;)
Nov 01 18:46:48 <PaulFertser> over-complicated when it comes to any "advanced" usage
Nov 01 18:48:25 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: udev scripts does not work
Nov 01 18:49:05 <khiraly1> I tried them, but networkmanager vs. udev does not plays nice together
Nov 01 18:49:30 <khiraly1> however with my script you can do some automagic stuff, like when you plug the freerunner at the morning in the laptop it downloads the news from the web
Nov 01 18:50:07 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: ah, of course it's assumed that any users advanced enough to understand standard debian means of using /etc/network/interfaces or to use "ip" and "iptables" utiilities would disable NM altogether right after installing the OS.
Nov 01 18:50:41 <khiraly1> NM is quite nice, when you use your laptop on the road
Nov 01 18:50:58 <khiraly1> like hijacking in mcdonald's wifi, or connecting to fonera hotspots
Nov 01 18:51:15 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: i'm ok with using iwlist scan and vim wpa_supplicant.conf, it doesn't take that much time on laptop and you can be sure it will work as intended.
Nov 01 18:51:22 <khiraly1> sometimes it autoconnects for you
Nov 01 18:51:40 <khiraly1> I was able to connect to mcdonald's wifi while on tram(!) and check my emails
Nov 01 18:51:45 <khiraly1> tramway
Nov 01 18:52:40 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: i don't like the trend of making GNU/Linux systems more "user-friendly" which in fact means that they got prepared for most typical usage patterns of the least experienced users. As a side-effect the result is quite often unusable for more advanced folks.
Nov 01 18:53:10 <khiraly1> I agree
Nov 01 18:53:19 <khiraly1> however I have not enough momentum to change the trend
Nov 01 18:53:20 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: btw, ubuntu distribution is exactly about that: making OS unusable and tainted by proprietary shit just to make it more appealing to those who don't understand a thing. :-(
Nov 01 18:54:07 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: btw, when you have wpa_supplicant running it can scan and connect automatically to the known networks too.
Nov 01 18:54:17 <Azog> guessnet is nice and can be configured with /etc/network/interfaces
Nov 01 18:54:26 <khiraly1> So I better stop pissing against the wind, and try to coexist with the current trend;-)
Nov 01 18:55:16 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: well, if you look around you'll see that the more sophisticated users don't choose ubuntu or gnome/kde and such. Neither they use NM. So it's about targeting.
Nov 01 18:55:46 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: I used to use debian since 2000. Now Im a bit too old for this;-)
Nov 01 18:56:16 <khiraly1> I hate when upgrades f*cks up my preferred (worked on it months!) setup
Nov 01 18:56:29 <khiraly1> like rxvt colors
Nov 01 18:56:39 <khiraly1> I dont even know if rxvt terminal still exist
Nov 01 18:56:44 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: well, i don't know why our experience is so different but i used both debian and ubuntu and ubuntu seemed to me to be just debian where many things were changed resulting in complicated troubleshooting etc.
Nov 01 18:57:23 <khiraly1> because I bought a reference hardware (intel everything), and I just install ubuntu, and dont fix anything on it.
Nov 01 18:57:26 <lindi-> khiraly1: you should configure rxvt colors in your $HOME?
Nov 01 18:57:39 <lindi-> khiraly1: upgrades don't touch $HOME
Nov 01 18:57:50 <khiraly1> lindi-: dunno, I had really nice colors (for the eye), but I lost
Nov 01 18:58:15 <khiraly1> lindi-: I used the same debian system from 2000 until 2008.10. I was always on sid
Nov 01 18:58:25 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: since when intel is a reference hardware? Their X driver doesn't have any modesetting facilities even afaik.
Nov 01 18:58:31 <khiraly1> in 8 years, you tune so many things, that you dont remember the quarter of it
Nov 01 18:58:45 <lindi-> khiraly1: you make backups :)
Nov 01 18:58:50 <lindi-> khiraly1: and use version control
Nov 01 18:59:11 <khiraly1> then I bought a new computer, and got really angry, that my stuffs does not work as expected, half my programs are not developed anymores (do you remember sawfish window manager?)
Nov 01 18:59:11 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: at least on my laptop it doesn't try to do register-level modesetting at all relying on some vbios calls instead afaik.
Nov 01 18:59:42 <khiraly1> (19.58.25) PaulFertser: khiraly1: since when intel is a reference hardware? <-- my precedent laptop was amd+nvidia. 
Nov 01 19:00:06 <lindi-> khiraly1: yeah you need to pick your software wisely :)
Nov 01 19:00:07 <khiraly1> so I know the hard way, if I dont want to suck to much, just by the mainstream stuff (intel everything), and thats it
Nov 01 19:00:17 <lindi-> khiraly1: i don't think anyone expected sawfish to live for a long time
Nov 01 19:00:51 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: when i just got my laptop the latest stable (by gentoo standards) intel driver in X.org required me using i915utility to patch some vbios values on the fly to support native panel resolution. That's ridiculous!
Nov 01 19:00:55 <khiraly1> dunno, what was really nice, that I could configure all my mouse buttons (I had like 8(?) buttons mouse) to do something useful
Nov 01 19:01:17 <khiraly1> when you get used something that advanced, then you was forced to metacity, was a real drawback
Nov 01 19:01:35 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: i guess it doesn't require it anymore because it does the same patching internally. But it's still completely bogus and fucked up way to do modesetting.
Nov 01 19:02:03 <khiraly1> anyway. ubuntu is mainstream, its like debian after-all, its polished visually, and I stopped really tuning my system. Its timeconsuming and not worth really
Nov 01 19:02:04 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: (sawfish-metacity) that's price you pay for using mainstream our-users-are-dumb stuff (Gnome).
Nov 01 19:03:24 * PaulFertser wonders how intel KMS is actually implemented
Nov 01 19:03:29 <khiraly1> anyway, networkmanager is installed default on debian too. I know it from debian days. I hated it to say the least
Nov 01 19:03:48 <PaulFertser> khiraly1: NM is installed only if you choose default gnome install.
Nov 01 19:03:53 <PaulFertser> Which apparently sucks
Nov 01 19:04:07 <PaulFertser> And nano sucks!
Nov 01 19:04:17 <PaulFertser> Everything sucks
Nov 01 19:04:25 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: current ubuntu 9.10 plays really nice with intel 4500mhd video card. 9.04 worked too, but had some glitches here-and-there. Now 9.10 works as MacOSX used to work...
Nov 01 19:04:31 <Q-Master> girls sucks too. 8)
Nov 01 19:04:33 * PaulFertser away taking hot bath hoping it would alter his mood for the good
Nov 01 19:04:49 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: not all luckily/unfortunately
Nov 01 19:04:57 <khiraly1> PaulFertser: the time I invested hand-tuning my laptop now goes into freerunner
Nov 01 19:05:13 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: hehe... they all just need to be asked to. 8)
Nov 01 19:05:16 <TAsn> khiraly1, lol, same here. :)
Nov 01 19:06:55 <khiraly1> (20.00.16) lindi-: khiraly1: i don't think anyone expected sawfish to live for a long time <-- btw, metacity was not developed after its initial writeup. Its basically stuck at the same level as it was around 2002. Its stupid as hell window manager
Nov 01 19:07:19 <lindi-> khiraly1: yep
Nov 01 19:07:41 <khiraly1> while for sawfish you could write simple programs for specific keypress
Nov 01 19:07:57 <khiraly1> like for 6. mouse button
Nov 01 19:09:12 <khiraly1> btw PaulFertser, as for NM, it works currently really awesome. I do not have any major trouble with it. It recognize which freerunner was plugged in my laptop, it autosync lyrics between computer<->freerunner. So Im pretty happy
Nov 01 19:09:13 <khiraly1> ;-)
Nov 01 19:09:14 <lindi-> khiraly1: icewm however, is from 1999 :)
Nov 01 19:09:25 <lindi-> maybe even earlier
Nov 01 19:10:12 <khiraly1> lindi-: Im on the 3D bandwagon;-) Its called compiz or whatever. I use expo effect, and the other more fancy alt-tab stuff.
Nov 01 19:10:34 <lindi-> khiraly1: compiz will probably be "deprecated" in 10 yeras
Nov 01 19:10:37 <lindi-> khiraly1: compiz will probably be "deprecated" in 10 years
Nov 01 19:10:51 <mickeyl> TAsn: FSO does not change the scenario on its own.
Nov 01 19:11:11 <TAsn> mickeyl, was just making sure as I noticed weird behavior, though everything is fine now. thanks :)
Nov 01 19:11:13 <khiraly1> dont care. I didnt hand-tuned anything really. Just some keybindings (window-tab, window-e, window-w, etc)
Nov 01 19:28:32 <mrmoku> khiraly1: NM on laptop or on FR?
Nov 01 19:28:38 <khiraly1> laptop
Nov 01 19:28:45 <mrmoku> ahh, ok
Nov 01 19:29:17 <mrmoku> I don't do fancy stuff as syncing on connect... but NM on laptop works nice with FR for me too :)
Nov 01 19:29:35 * mrmoku want's to retry NM on FR too :D
Nov 01 19:31:32 <mrmoku> NOTE: Running task 7192 of 7198
Nov 01 19:31:39 <mrmoku> getting interesting :)
Nov 01 19:34:22 <JaMa> but not much fun after booting :((
Nov 01 19:34:52 <JaMa> few backtraces.. http://pastebin.ca/1651909
Nov 01 19:35:07 <JaMa> dbus_1.3.0 works when compiled without thumb
Nov 01 19:36:03 <CIA-26> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc9832bf06b15 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/utilities.vala: libfsobasics: add FileHandling.writeBuffer() and FileHandling.createDirectoryHierarchy()
Nov 01 19:37:49 <mrmoku> JaMa: hmm
Nov 01 19:39:33 <TAsn> mrmoku, here?
Nov 01 19:39:38 <mrmoku> yup
Nov 01 19:39:46 <TAsn> I got an *ugly* hack 
Nov 01 19:39:50 <TAsn> I need your help with.
Nov 01 19:39:51 <TAsn> :)
Nov 01 19:39:59 * mrmoku is not interested in ugly hacks ;)
Nov 01 19:40:03 <TAsn> actually nvm :)
Nov 01 19:40:06 <mrmoku> :)
Nov 01 19:40:09 <TAsn> hehe, even better.
Nov 01 19:40:13 <TAsn> I'll just hack it myself ;]
Nov 01 19:40:16 <mrmoku> :P
Nov 01 19:45:17 <JesusMcCloud> dos1: it ain't gonna get any faster: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/b344fb735f421fa76a8026423ffe56d4.png
Nov 01 19:51:11 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, i just opkg updated.. what in libphone-ui since today afternoon?
Nov 01 19:55:58 <dos1> JesusMcCloud: nice screen
Nov 01 19:56:12 <dos1> i like this approach :)
Nov 01 19:57:48 <JesusMcCloud> dos1, it looks much better on fr than on scap...
Nov 01 20:03:26 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: audio fixes from TAsn 
Nov 01 20:04:29 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: building package index for another update now
Nov 01 20:04:36 <mrmoku> with more audio fixes
Nov 01 20:06:44 <mrmoku> JaMa: so... what do we do?
Nov 01 20:06:50 <mrmoku> rebuild from scratch without thumb?
Nov 01 20:07:01 <spaetz_> BTW, building :).... /me checks buildhost log
Nov 01 20:07:13 <mrmoku> spaetz_: failed due to fso-abyss ;)
Nov 01 20:07:24 <spaetz_> ahh
Nov 01 20:07:30 <spaetz_> seems we are close :)
Nov 01 20:07:46 <mrmoku> well, JaMa said it won't be much fun :|
Nov 01 20:07:55 <mrmoku> as thumb mode segfaults here and there
Nov 01 20:08:26 <spaetz_> mmh
Nov 01 20:08:55 <mrmoku> spaetz_: btw. this time we're more in sync with baby duties :)
Nov 01 20:09:01 <jMcCloud> bwt dos1, stay away from edje editor! it will fudge things up!
Nov 01 20:09:25 <dos1> jMcCloud: it depends
Nov 01 20:09:26 <spaetz_> mrmoku: hehe, mine went to bed about half an hour ago.
Nov 01 20:09:32 <dos1> my test.edj was started in edje-editor
Nov 01 20:09:37 <dos1> and then edited manually ;)
Nov 01 20:09:38 <mrmoku> spaetz_: talking about the next one :)
Nov 01 20:09:54 <spaetz_> ahh! congratulations
Nov 01 20:10:03 <spaetz_> when is it due?
Nov 01 20:10:05 <mrmoku> back :)
Nov 01 20:10:08 <mrmoku> end of feb
Nov 01 20:10:36 <jMcCloud> dos1, well if you let edje editor edit something as hackish as my illume edc... i will eat it and you will get what comes out the other end
Nov 01 20:10:41 <spaetz_> cool. Ours is Dec 21st or sometime around that.
Nov 01 20:10:46 <spaetz_> christmas kid
Nov 01 20:10:49 <mrmoku> :)
Nov 01 20:10:58 <dos1> jMcCloud: hehe ;)
Nov 01 20:11:03 <spaetz_> Hope your wife is well..
Nov 01 20:11:22 <mrmoku> yep, yours?
Nov 01 20:12:07 <spaetz_> in general yes, back pain since this week, we know that from last kid. 2 more weeks work, then she gets off
Nov 01 20:12:23 <jMcCloud> gtg -> californication, gn8 all
Nov 01 20:12:25 <spaetz_> In Switzerland women are supposed to work until the day of the birth...
Nov 01 20:12:32 <mrmoku> ouch
Nov 01 20:12:46 <mrmoku> my wife does not work... though.....
Nov 01 20:13:11 <spaetz_> Swiss laws are still from the time: men work, wives stay at home...
Nov 01 20:13:19 <mrmoku> hehe
Nov 01 20:13:25 <mrmoku> did that change? ;)
Nov 01 20:13:33 <spaetz_> hehe
Nov 01 20:15:28 <mrmoku> alexxy: if you want... try to update and see if fsousaged problems are gone
Nov 01 20:15:38 <mrmoku> I rebuilt all fso* stuff too
Nov 01 20:15:59 <mrmoku> vanous123: fsodeviced is in tests/mrmoku/unstable too now
Nov 01 20:16:06 <mrmoku> no idea how to use it though
Nov 01 20:16:44 <F4t> hola, any trouble collected for mokonnect? :P
Nov 01 20:16:59 <mrmoku> F4t: hey
Nov 01 20:17:02 <vanous123> mrmoku: great, thank you, will try to enable it
Nov 01 20:17:15 <F4t> mrmoku, hi man, long time no see
Nov 01 20:17:21 <mrmoku> vanous123: interested in your results :)
Nov 01 20:17:22 <mrmoku> F4t: yup
Nov 01 20:17:49 <vanous123> will try, have read mickey's description... will let you now
Nov 01 20:19:05 <F4t> mrmoku, whats new in mokoland?
Nov 01 20:19:36 <mrmoku> dos1: GSM GSMstateContener [error] can't connect to dbus                                                                           
Nov 01 20:19:41 <mrmoku> what does that mean?
Nov 01 20:19:55 <mrmoku> F4t: lots of changes going on...
Nov 01 20:20:00 <mrmoku> to many even :P
Nov 01 20:20:13 <TAsn> F4t, we actually changed everything ;)
Nov 01 20:20:16 <F4t> i keep seeing tasn's spam with yet another contest :P
Nov 01 20:20:35 <mrmoku> F4t: the first one was quite successfull :)
Nov 01 20:20:54 * [Rui] waves... nice email summing up the latest developments :)
Nov 01 20:21:05 <TAsn> F4t, I also sell viagra, if you are interested.
Nov 01 20:21:34 <F4t> uhhhh, viagra! will it enlarge my penis and give me good mortage?
Nov 01 20:21:45 <dos1> mrmoku: some error probably ;D
Nov 01 20:21:57 <mrmoku> dos1: ahh
Nov 01 20:21:57 <mrmoku> :P
Nov 01 20:22:07 * mrmoku thought that would be some nice new feature ;)
Nov 01 20:22:22 <mrmoku> dos1: GSM antenna toggle is broken
Nov 01 20:22:42 <dos1> it uses ophonekitd interface
Nov 01 20:22:45 <dos1> maybe that's why ;P
Nov 01 20:22:47 <mrmoku> yup
Nov 01 20:23:01 <dos1> give me working phoneuid
Nov 01 20:23:02 <mrmoku> and it should not
Nov 01 20:23:06 <dos1> which isn't blocking my SIM
Nov 01 20:23:11 <mrmoku> huh?
Nov 01 20:23:17 <dos1> so i had to search for my PUK ;P
Nov 01 20:23:46 <dos1> and i'll change shr-settings to new interface
Nov 01 20:24:16 <mrmoku> dos1: that's a deal :)
Nov 01 20:25:43 <TAsn> dos1, you first though.
Nov 01 20:25:44 <TAsn> :)
Nov 01 20:26:15 <dos1> how can i change it and test when i don't have it working? :P
Nov 01 20:26:36 <TAsn> ok mrmoku I think I'm finally getting there (updating alsa volume bars in real time)
Nov 01 20:29:31 <max_posedon> mrmoku, Hi! how is phone* stuff? may be some tags/releases soon?)
Nov 01 20:30:24 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw, I really this mrmoku/tests is confusing users. :)
Nov 01 20:30:35 <TAsn> and more importantly annoying us
Nov 01 20:30:42 <TAsn> as people use our very experimental software
Nov 01 20:30:46 <TAsn> and report bugs
Nov 01 20:32:09 <spaetz> TAsn, they should, nothing better than a healthy user community ;-). and we have nowhere written on our wiki, don't report bugs yet...
Nov 01 20:32:19 <TAsn> of course
Nov 01 20:32:31 <TAsn> I'm just saying, it should not happen.
Nov 01 20:32:34 <TAsn> and it's OUR fault.
Nov 01 20:32:36 * spaetz is only half-serious
Nov 01 20:32:37 <TAsn> not theirs ;)
Nov 01 20:32:42 <spaetz> yep
Nov 01 20:33:05 <alexxy> mrmoku: ok
Nov 01 20:33:06 <vanous123> mrmoku: fsodevice - is it already there or need to wait for baking? cannot see anything yet
Nov 01 20:33:20 <alexxy> mrmoku: btw can you set messages backend to SQLite-Messages
Nov 01 20:33:24 <alexxy> by default
Nov 01 20:33:25 <alexxy> ?
Nov 01 20:34:34 <mrmoku> vanous123: fsodeviced... should be there
Nov 01 20:34:36 * mrmoku checks
Nov 01 20:36:16 <mrmoku> alexxy: yes, will make it default
Nov 01 20:36:32 <mrmoku> now that libphone-ui-shr is the default backend... more than appropriate
Nov 01 20:37:16 <mrmoku> vanous123: hmm... can't see it too :|
Nov 01 20:37:16 <TAsn> mrmoku, Hey.
Nov 01 20:37:21 <TAsn> I'm saying this for months now :)
Nov 01 20:37:21 <mrmoku> (saw it building though)
Nov 01 20:37:26 <TAsn> why didn't you listen to me? ;)
Nov 01 20:37:41 <mrmoku> TAsn: because months ago we had not yet something that did work ;)
Nov 01 20:38:17 <TAsn> I also bugged you days
Nov 01 20:38:19 <TAsn> and weeks ago. ;)
Nov 01 20:39:26 <mrmoku> vanous123: looks like it had some error... I thought I saw it building ok
Nov 01 20:39:30 <mrmoku> trying to rebuild it
Nov 01 20:39:51 <vanous123> ok, thank you
Nov 01 20:40:44 <alexxy> mrmoku: fsuusaged still an issue 
Nov 01 20:41:05 <[Rui]> dos1: please get rid of the quit button, while you change shr-settings to the new interface :)
Nov 01 20:41:15 <[Rui]> s/button/buttons/ :)
Nov 01 20:41:17 <mrmoku> alexxy: :|
Nov 01 20:41:46 <TAsn> mrmoku, look at this commit :)
Nov 01 20:41:55 <CIA-52> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * rdcf5028a0ca8 10/src/phoneui-utils-sound.c: made the initialization of alsa controls a lot saner, and added almost everything needed for real time updates of volume bars
Nov 01 20:42:21 <TAsn> now comes the ugly hack part :|
Nov 01 20:43:02 <TAsn> I need a way to let glib monitor the alsa loop as well
Nov 01 20:43:14 <TAsn> and I don't know how.
Nov 01 20:43:31 <TAsn> so I guess I'll just add a hackish timer until I figure this out. ;]
Nov 01 20:44:32 <mrmoku> oohh ouch
Nov 01 20:44:59 <TAsn> yeah, though it's probably me being a noob, and nothing else.
Nov 01 20:45:26 <mrmoku> TAsn: alsalib has it's own mainloop?
Nov 01 20:45:27 <TAsn> I'm too tired to look at the LONG code of other apps using both glib and alsa monitoring
Nov 01 20:45:33 <TAsn> mrmoku, not quite
Nov 01 20:45:36 <TAsn> it has a blocking wait
Nov 01 20:45:47 <TAsn> which is essentially the same.
Nov 01 20:45:56 <TAsn> (or non blocking)
Nov 01 20:47:10 <mrmoku> TAsn: that should be easy to add to the glib mainlooop, no?
Nov 01 20:47:28 <TAsn> that's why I said, I'm a noob, no idea. ;]
Nov 01 20:49:36 <TAsn> and there's also a way to get polling file descriptors from alsa
Nov 01 20:49:43 <TAsn> so I guess this should be very easy. :)
Nov 01 20:49:57 <[Rui]> AAAAAAAAUGH :( just found out that whatever is wrong with my curl related code in elmdentica is my fault but not *why* :(
Nov 01 20:50:13 <[Rui]> WRT https
Nov 01 20:50:31 <alexxy> TAsn: mrmoku: also i get intresting bug with shr-today
Nov 01 20:50:42 <alexxy> if i delete one or more messages
Nov 01 20:50:55 <alexxy> it counts them as -1 unread messages
Nov 01 20:51:03 <[Rui]> replaced all elmdentica code with https.c in the package. surprise, it works. last time I thought it was the pkgconfig or auto-tools which were breaking up something :(
Nov 01 20:52:00 <TAsn> alexxy, shr-today = slyon, opimd = dos1 :)
Nov 01 20:52:03 <TAsn> I'm innocent.
Nov 01 20:52:36 <alexxy> =)
Nov 01 20:53:41 <dos1> that's probably opimd issue
Nov 01 20:53:43 <dos1> :P
Nov 01 20:53:55 <dos1> heh, i'm starting to get used to using identi.ca :)
Nov 01 20:54:12 <dos1> i was already using polish microblogging service, blip.pl
Nov 01 20:54:29 <dos1> and i'll keep using blip for polish entries, and identi.ca for english
Nov 01 20:54:39 <dos1> with identi.ca integrated into facebook and twitter
Nov 01 20:54:50 * dos1 is starting to be web 2.0 compatible :D
Nov 01 20:55:17 <[Rui]> dos1: heh, what's your id there?
Nov 01 20:55:25 <dos1> on identi.ca? dos
Nov 01 20:56:25 <[Rui]> dos1: ok :)
Nov 01 20:56:58 <dos1> [Rui]: and i have feature request for elmdentica ;)
Nov 01 20:57:14 <max_posedon> dos1, alexxy mrmoku , so what shr-version is most interesting now?
Nov 01 20:57:23 <[Rui]> dos: sure, if you can... register. if you don't have nor want a google code account, mail me :)
Nov 01 20:57:51 <[Rui]> dos1: but I just found out that I can't postpone anymore the reworking of the web calls.
Nov 01 20:58:14 <[Rui]> perhaps even moving from XML to REST
Nov 01 20:58:21 <dos1> [Rui]: "offline mode" - when it stores entries to post everything later ;)
Nov 01 20:58:32 <[Rui]> dos1: aha..
Nov 01 20:58:38 <dos1> [Rui]: ok, can you give me url to google code page?
Nov 01 20:58:53 <[Rui]> dos1: code.google.com/projects/p/elmdentica
Nov 01 20:59:03 <[Rui]> dos1: code.google.com/p/elmdentica
Nov 01 20:59:09 <[Rui]> use the second one :)
Nov 01 20:59:58 <[Rui]> dos1: it's "conceptually" related to issue 13, but please make a new one :)
Nov 01 21:02:36 <mrmoku> max_posedon: right now the most interesting for use is still tests/mrmoku/unstable
Nov 01 21:02:52 <max_posedon> ok, thanks, I'll upgrade today
Nov 01 21:02:58 <mrmoku> max_posedon: for the new shr/merge based image we still have thumb mode problems
Nov 01 21:03:16 <mrmoku> max_posedon: at least it is building fine now
Nov 01 21:03:23 <max_posedon> thumb is non-fixample stuff
Nov 01 21:03:29 <mrmoku> we probably just have to turn off thumb mode again and rebuild from scratch
Nov 01 21:03:31 <max_posedon> we [gentoo-openmoko] tried it
Nov 01 21:03:43 <mrmoku> yeah, remember you said that :)
Nov 01 21:03:45 <max_posedon> it works *only* for some packages
Nov 01 21:03:51 <mrmoku> brb
Nov 01 21:03:56 <max_posedon> and most ugly fails - runtime fails
Nov 01 21:04:09 <max_posedon> but, sometimes it works, and works good)
Nov 01 21:04:23 <max_posedon> so, thumb should be enabled PER package
Nov 01 21:04:52 <dos1> [Rui]: http://code.google.com/p/elmdentica/issues/detail?id=14
Nov 01 21:04:56 <[Rui]> dos1: thanks!
Nov 01 21:05:04 <dos1> [Rui]: i didn't know how to change it into "enhancement"
Nov 01 21:05:09 <dos1> so it's marked as defect now ;)
Nov 01 21:05:15 <dos1> change it if you want
Nov 01 21:05:18 <[Rui]> moving to librest will have to wait untill I (or someone) ports librest into OE
Nov 01 21:05:21 <[Rui]> dos1: ok!
Nov 01 21:07:10 <[Rui]> dos1: done
Nov 01 21:13:08 <mrmoku> max_posedon: ok, for now we will just turn thumb off then
Nov 01 21:14:36 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: it's interesting to know about why some packages fail with thumb. Was at least one case investigated?
Nov 01 21:15:10 <max_posedon> nope, just random segfault
Nov 01 21:15:39 <Weiss> the possibility of compiler bugs shouldn't be ruled out (came across one with Mesa a few weeks ago.. GCC for ARM isn't that well developed)
Nov 01 21:15:41 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: it can't happen without specific reason though.
Nov 01 21:15:45 <dos1> [Rui]: ok, holding my thumbs for refactoring elmdentica. Offline mode will really make it greatly usable for me :)
Nov 01 21:15:51 <spaetz> has thumb not been disabled anyway? http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2009-April/026053.html
Nov 01 21:15:52 <Weiss> although it's good to apply the First Rule of Compiler Bugs
Nov 01 21:15:59 <max_posedon> of cource. but. as is.
Nov 01 21:16:06 <PaulFertser> Weiss: that's why i'm asking about that. Probably some bugs could be reported to the gcc devs.
Nov 01 21:20:56 <mrmoku> vanous123: I fear I have to update some fso/vala stuff for shr/import to make fsodeviced build
Nov 01 21:21:12 <mrmoku> missing some packages....
Nov 01 21:21:23 <mrmoku> will take a look tomorrow
Nov 01 21:21:37 <mrmoku> now it's snoozie time :)
Nov 01 21:21:41 <vanous123> no problem, thank you anyways
Nov 01 21:21:41 <mrmoku> gnight all
Nov 01 21:21:44 <mrmoku> np
Nov 01 21:21:46 <vanous123> yes it is.... 
Nov 01 21:21:48 <vanous123> and
Nov 01 21:21:53 <vanous123> monday tomorrow :)
Nov 01 21:57:21 <max_posedon> is somebody here from shr-dev team?
Nov 01 21:57:46 <max_posedon> libphone-ui depends on libphone-utils?
Nov 01 21:57:51 <max_posedon> (little confusing for me)
Nov 01 22:00:18 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: i think yes, since it "needs" phone numbers "normalizing". Pure speculation of mine, of course.
Nov 01 22:02:11 * PaulFertser is against usage of non-standard cell phone numbers notations
Nov 01 22:12:53 <Weiss> growl
Nov 01 22:13:03 * Weiss just can't make burst commands work.. for no good reason
Nov 01 22:14:57 <max_posedon> ok, looks like shr-team will fix a lot of spam tomorrow
Nov 01 22:23:13 <[Rui]> dos1: actually, in order to refactor the web requests I need to refactor the "configuration", in order to refactor the configuration, I'm going sqlite3, if I store the current timeline in sqlite3... I get offline display (issue 13) and I can also post into a "to_post" table if http post fails (issue 14)
Nov 01 22:23:30 <[Rui]> so I guess it'll be an all in one :)
Nov 01 22:25:31 <Pokernet> hello
Nov 01 22:26:28 <Pokernet> hi , i need help runing paroli on last shr image
Nov 01 22:29:01 <Pokernet> ?
Nov 01 22:57:57 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4cc610898af7 10/fsogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: more work on SmsStorage API
Nov 01 23:14:42 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rec81a7b5fd1a 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/utilities.vala: libfsobasics: revert the last commit in favour of DirUtils.create_with_parents()
Nov 01 23:21:48 <Pokernet> hi
Nov 01 23:22:02 <Pokernet> do any one run paroli on last image ?
Nov 01 23:39:07 <CIA-52> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r619bb0cf259e 10/fsogsmd/ (src/lib/modem.vala src/lib/sms.vala tests/testsms.vala): fsogsmd: SmsStorage passes unit tests
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