**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 16 02:59:56 2009 Nov 16 03:51:24 . Nov 16 05:34:36 moin Nov 16 06:17:23 moin Nov 16 06:18:13 moin mrmoku Nov 16 06:18:22 moin Nov 16 06:18:27 playya__: moin Nov 16 06:18:27 image is in a buildable state? Nov 16 06:18:29 JaMa: moing Nov 16 06:18:48 [07:17] JaMa | 00:14:51> mrmoku|away: voodoo worked.. fixes pushed Nov 16 06:18:52 [07:17] JaMa | 00:15:08> mrmoku|away: and image built :P Nov 16 06:18:54 playya__: so I would think yes :D Nov 16 06:19:14 JaMa: thanks for the voodoo... and btw. Nov 16 06:19:29 the SRCREV --> SRCPV switch cleans up lots of wrong git recipes, right? Nov 16 06:20:25 not lots.. I noticed only ffmpeg and mesa (if you are talking about pulled git version even if there was newer release version yesterday) Nov 16 06:21:07 i tried to build fsomusicd, but it always fails :( Nov 16 06:22:40 i copied fsousage recipe, add gstreamer depency -> fails Nov 16 06:23:39 moin Nov 16 06:23:54 spaetzAFK: hey, morning Nov 16 06:24:24 JaMa: talking about trying to get revs for repos that are no more there Nov 16 06:24:35 i see you were having loads of fun while i was away ;) Nov 16 06:24:48 spaetz: oooohh yes :) Nov 16 06:25:47 mrmoku: if it was trying to get latest revs even for recipes not pulled to image after that.. then yes.. there could be few more.. Nov 16 06:27:51 JaMa: hmmm... still no go Nov 16 06:29:38 just now: NOTE: Parsing finished. 7062 cached, 500 parsed, 295 skipped, 0 masked. Nov 16 06:30:06 trying without cache Nov 16 06:31:04 * mrmoku turning off cache Nov 16 06:32:01 still the same for me... with or without cache Nov 16 06:41:46 mrmoku: pushed few patches from my queue.. but nothing should change that.. Nov 16 06:43:02 "egal wie wichtig es ist. nicht vorm ersten kaffee!!" -> coffeemachine Nov 16 06:43:34 * JaMa -> work -> coffeemachine Nov 16 06:46:21 what happened to tichy=? Nov 16 06:46:33 the git repo vanished from openmoko git Nov 16 06:50:51 g'morning Nov 16 07:20:31 JaMa|Wrk: why don't you have those parsing errors? Nov 16 07:40:12 mrmoku: I just rebuilt shr-image and no parsing error with cache disabled :/ Nov 16 07:40:40 playya__: do you have any parsing errors while building shr-image? Nov 16 07:41:59 afair no Nov 16 07:42:17 I'm at work so i cannot test it Nov 16 07:48:46 grrr Nov 16 07:49:41 JaMa|Wrk: you are building 'manually'? or with our makefile? Nov 16 07:49:56 mrmoku: manually Nov 16 07:50:17 maybe some difference in the setup? Nov 16 07:51:29 JaMa|Wrk: oohh... one thing we have in local.conf... Nov 16 07:51:30 BB_GIT_CLONE_FOR_SRCREV = "1" Nov 16 07:51:34 what does that do? Nov 16 07:51:49 * mrmoku disables that... Nov 16 07:52:32 * JaMa|Wrk has no idea Nov 16 07:52:43 * mrmoku hopes the best :) Nov 16 07:53:51 JaMa|Wrk: I started a list of recipes that fail... look up the correct uri or delete the recipe otherwise Nov 16 07:54:58 but without that option.... it looks better :) Nov 16 07:55:14 ah with that option it fails here too Nov 16 07:55:38 :) Nov 16 07:55:46 no idea why we use that... Nov 16 07:55:55 Ainulindale: remember what BB_GIT_CLONE_FOR_SRCREV is for? Nov 16 07:56:04 to make builds slower? :) Nov 16 07:56:25 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2042 hmm interesting Nov 16 07:56:29 JaMa|Wrk: and more error fragile ;) Nov 16 07:56:41 BB_GIT_CLONE ... makes parsing really slow as it checks out the git repos on parsing time Nov 16 07:56:44 12:08.03 stefan_schmidt Not really needed Nov 16 07:56:54 from http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openezx/20081101.html.gz Nov 16 07:57:00 hmm... not much info though Nov 16 07:57:11 spaetz: :) Nov 16 07:57:13 good Nov 16 07:57:35 Ainulindale: nvm Nov 16 07:58:32 http://gitorious.org/qt-poky/qt-poky/commit/522cffdb9ecf56efa663052788fc3f0fa8b63ef7 something about sortable revisions.. Nov 16 07:58:57 12:05.42stefan_schmidtBB_GIT_CLONE_FOR_SRCREV="1" is only needed if you like to produce a feed that is able to upgrade packages comming from git repos Nov 16 07:59:12 I guess it stores those rNNN revisions in the local sqlite? Nov 16 07:59:30 whatever, need to prepare a lecture... Nov 16 07:59:43 spaetzWrk: have fun then Nov 16 08:00:59 spaetzWrk: if you mean gitrNNN, then its stored even without this option.. Nov 16 08:02:15 vanous1231: NOTE: multiple providers are available for qt4x11 (qt4-x11-free-gles, qt4-x11-free); Nov 16 08:02:22 vanous1231: which one do you want? Nov 16 08:03:45 vanous1231: I guess that without gles Nov 16 08:27:49 David Lanzend?rfer? ping Nov 16 08:49:27 spaetzWrk, he is in #neo1973-germany should i invite him? Nov 16 09:01:03 JaMa|Wrk: didn't think so. how did you find the speed? :) Nov 16 09:02:17 Weiss: speed was good, but I haven't tested it as there was about 3AM and i had to wake up at 7AM to daywork :) Nov 16 09:02:51 ewww 3am :( Nov 16 09:03:02 ewww 7am :( Nov 16 09:04:03 for me, scrolling in Contacts is noticably smoother Nov 16 09:05:54 yay for smooth scrolling! Nov 16 09:06:13 need to leave now. bbl in about 3 h Nov 16 09:15:47 * mrmoku too has to leave... bbl Nov 16 09:53:50 hi Nov 16 10:05:30 hi Deubeuliou Nov 16 10:11:06 <[Rui]> Argh, I have a complaint about shr-today Nov 16 10:25:07 <[Rui]> it's too fscking slow because it's so pretty :| Nov 16 10:35:23 JaMa|Wrk: lite image built :-) Nov 16 10:39:21 mrmoku: great :) Nov 16 10:39:54 vanous1231: python-pyqt built you can download all needed ipks here http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/ Nov 16 10:40:20 JaMa|Wrk: even more great... the 'sticky power state' problem seems to be solved too :) Nov 16 10:41:22 mrmoku: have you seen koen's e-mail about SRCPV? Nov 16 10:41:38 * mrmoku checks mails Nov 16 10:42:26 hopefully it won't stop SRCPV migration.. and/or delay it much Nov 16 10:43:35 huh Nov 16 10:44:01 what does he mean with 'using SRCPV in PV or PR is unsuitable to Nov 16 10:44:02 be put in online feeds Nov 16 10:44:03 ' Nov 16 10:44:05 ??? Nov 16 10:44:20 online feeds _without_ it are unusable... Nov 16 10:44:41 Hi, I've a problem with displaying SMS which contains Chinese characters (汉字): wordwrap doesn't work with the message application from SHR. Nov 16 10:45:21 mrmoku: angstrom doesn't use AUTOREV.. to old system is good enough for Koen.. :/ Nov 16 10:46:10 mrmoku: and he is right about problem when more builders are preparing "consistent" feeds together Nov 16 10:48:00 JaMa|Wrk: hmm... but without AUTOREV and using SRCREV you get those non-upgradeable package PVs, no? Nov 16 10:48:50 mrmoku: they bump PV (ie PR is included in PV before gitrev) with every srcrev bump Nov 16 10:48:54 JaMa|Wrk: and I don't see why a feed from multiple builders would be more (or less) consistent then without PV Nov 16 10:49:12 JaMa|Wrk: ahh... well *that* is work ;) Nov 16 10:49:17 mrmoku: we still need to implement resloving contanct when adding a number that aoready exists :) Nov 16 10:49:26 I gtg, ciao ;) Nov 16 10:49:35 but please write that down Nov 16 10:49:57 TAsn, you too :) we still need to implement resloving contanct when adding a number that aoready exists :) Nov 16 10:50:01 cia Nov 16 10:50:03 o Nov 16 10:50:59 JaMa|Wrk: where does the inconsistency come from? Nov 16 11:04:24 <[Rui]> now seriously, picking up a call is a total PITA with shr-today on Nov 16 11:04:39 <[Rui]> it takes AGES to unlock, disappear, then the call window to appear :| Nov 16 11:06:30 [Rui]: I agree on this one :| Nov 16 11:08:02 [Rui]: I answer with AUX, it's instant :P Nov 16 11:13:15 <[Rui]> lindi-: what? Nov 16 11:13:18 <[Rui]> let me try Nov 16 11:13:32 [Rui]: well of course you need software to do that Nov 16 11:14:23 <[Rui]> lindi-: ok, I didn't know AUX was already mapped only for shr-today... I got used to not using it Nov 16 11:14:32 <[Rui]> mrmoku: it's quicker this way, indeed. Nov 16 11:14:43 [Rui]: i'm not using shr-today Nov 16 11:14:43 <[Rui]> lindi-: but most people will do as I did... Nov 16 11:14:53 [Rui]: did it work though? Nov 16 11:14:58 <[Rui]> lindi-: quickly enough Nov 16 11:15:18 <[Rui]> but I don't have notifications, what am I missing? Nov 16 11:15:38 <[Rui]> whatever I'm missing probably show be part of the built image Nov 16 11:15:47 incoming msg/call notifications? They pop up on the shr-today screen for me Nov 16 11:17:13 spaetz: good news... ffalarms works Nov 16 11:23:59 mrmoku: ie your drm kernel is http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/kms/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-drm-oe14+gitr119968+c848d00bd43c47e7f11724330380e0c68ec7ae5e-r2-om-gta02.bin but its older revision than my uImage-2.6.29-drm-oe14+gitr5+7f45ee027a690bbdab4a7dd1530c38bc4e743e13-r2-om-gta02.bin Nov 16 11:24:35 JaMa|Wrk: because the branch was rebased? Nov 16 11:24:46 mrmoku: so its inconsistent wrt builder which is building more offen gets higher NNN in girtNNN and then hist revisions are always "newer" Nov 16 11:24:59 ahh Nov 16 11:25:00 mrmoku: no its not because of rebase.. mmt Nov 16 11:25:37 the number is incrementing on every build? that is not what I thought... Nov 16 11:25:48 bye Nov 16 11:25:49 I thought it would be zeckes 'git rev-list | wc -l' thing... Nov 16 11:26:52 ffalarm works? great Nov 16 11:26:55 what fixed it? Nov 16 11:27:06 mrmoku: sqlite3 ../tmpdir-dev-shr/cache/om-gta02/bb_persist_data.sqlite3 "select * from BB_URI_LOCALCOUNT where key like '%kernel.git-linux-openmoko-shr-drm-devel_count';" Nov 16 11:27:15 mrmoku: returns number 5 here Nov 16 11:27:48 mrmoku: because I built it at least 5 times and exactly 5 times was revision changed for that particular build.. Nov 16 11:28:12 JaMa|Wrk: and that for AUTOREV only, if I understood correctly... for fixed rev it's always 1? Nov 16 11:28:13 mrmoku: so its not counter how many times it was build.. but how many times revision changed while rebuilding Nov 16 11:28:48 JaMa|Wrk: ok, thanks for clarifying Nov 16 11:28:51 mrmoku: no for fixed rev you get new count every time you change sane-srcrevs Nov 16 11:29:00 mrmoku: which looks consistent Nov 16 11:29:14 and as Koen only uses fixed revs... Nov 16 11:29:32 mrmoku: and would be consistent for all builders if all builds that recipe between all sane-srcrev change Nov 16 11:30:00 anyway... got to do the Kindergarten-pickup now... Nov 16 11:30:04 bbl Nov 16 11:30:13 mrmoku: if one builder is offline for a month, then other builders can get higher counters... Nov 16 12:01:30 <[Rui]> spaetzLunch: sorry for the idle, yes, an icon shows up, but does nothing and after unlock there's nothing :) Nov 16 12:12:04 after checking out the new image from mrmoku, i created a few ticket in trac Nov 16 12:15:17 Rui, yes same here. I think that's configurable though Nov 16 12:15:34 * spaetz scrolls back to see ffalarms details Nov 16 12:21:09 JaMa|Wrk: I think what openmoko (aka zecke) did would be the correct thing to do Nov 16 12:21:25 use git rev-list from the last tag and count commits to get a unique counter Nov 16 12:22:13 * spaetz nods Nov 16 12:22:24 JaMa|Wrk: just like git describe does it Nov 16 12:22:57 JaMa|Wrk: the only problem then are branches that are rebased... Nov 16 12:23:17 then you would have to change PV at start Nov 16 12:23:38 spaetzLunch: no details on ffalarms... just that it works with newest image :-) Nov 16 12:23:50 weird, so its magic. ok Nov 16 12:23:58 * spaetz started accepted magic in FR development Nov 16 12:24:06 * spaetz started accepting magic... Nov 16 12:24:29 and I am really happy if the sticky power source is fixed too Nov 16 12:24:54 as that is really annoying (suspending while in a call or suspending while hacking via USB-ssh) Nov 16 12:40:48 mrmoku: I guess thats what your BB_GIT_CLONE_FOR_SRCREV is for, isn't it? :) Nov 16 12:46:04 JaMa|Wrk: heh, maybe yes :) Nov 16 12:46:31 spaetz: well the sticky power thing... was wrong. It is still there :| Nov 16 12:46:42 * mrmoku off to the Frauenarzt now - baby tv :P Nov 16 12:46:45 mrmoku: thats why you have gitrNNNN so big.. Nov 16 12:46:46 bb after that Nov 16 12:46:57 JaMa|Wrk: yeah, makes sense Nov 16 12:47:16 mrmoku: you haven't rebuild drm-kernel 119968 times, have you? ;P uImage-2.6.29-drm-oe14+gitr119968 Nov 16 12:47:19 and explains why it has to connect to every git repo while parsing Nov 16 12:47:28 JaMa|Wrk: probably not :P Nov 16 12:47:29 bbiab Nov 16 13:01:20 ohh, baby tv :). Hope you get a nice picture taken and printed out :) Nov 16 13:01:39 mmh, pity with the sticky power thing, that is really annoying. Nov 16 13:11:05 * spaetz notices that there are no channel ops at all. Who registered that channel? Nov 16 13:13:01 <[Rui]> hey Nov 16 13:36:23 hi, anyone there? to shr land: how to rebuild from scratch? Nov 16 13:42:52 delete tmp dir and build Nov 16 13:43:27 ok thx! Nov 16 13:44:31 spaetz: whitch build dir? Nov 16 13:44:36 is there any locale for enlightenment in the new feeds? Nov 16 13:44:42 did anybody build it? Nov 16 13:44:49 shr-unstable/tmp Nov 16 13:44:53 spaetz: hi dude Nov 16 13:44:54 this one Nov 16 13:44:57 hi zoff99 Nov 16 13:45:37 spaetz: yes i del tmp/ but for build/ ? it was int ehre right? Nov 16 13:45:47 in there Nov 16 13:45:51 yes, it's in there Nov 16 13:46:29 ok thx. Nov 16 13:47:53 zoff99: I'm building it for myself without problems Nov 16 13:48:14 hum do you know if I am the only one who have the bitbake's handling file to be polute by an other task in the same time? Nov 16 13:49:26 JaMa: but can you select it in illume? Nov 16 13:49:39 and enlightenment_remote dissapeared :( :( why???? Nov 16 13:55:24 zoff99: yes Nov 16 13:56:01 ok, and how can i set it in script? when i dont have enlightenment_remote ? Nov 16 13:57:09 zoff99: no idea.. I choosed it while starting e17 first time in that profile wizard.. Nov 16 13:57:33 oh, when running it for the first time i only get enligsh to choose Nov 16 13:58:37 I have it in my image.. Nov 16 14:03:07 Default images only have English to chose from, correct Nov 16 14:03:50 i am trying old enlithenment_remote Nov 16 14:11:55 but it doesnt work :( Nov 16 14:21:22 JaMa|Wrk: hmm... not very motivating the SRCPV thread :( Nov 16 14:22:38 nope, not really Nov 16 14:24:10 not too bad now.. I guess that with bitbake patch even Koen will allow SRCPV in oe.dev Nov 16 14:24:22 it looked worse before lunch :) Nov 16 14:24:47 RP seems to be sympathetic Nov 16 14:24:52 spaetz: i am getting random system crashes, with the new image. do you have that too? Nov 16 14:25:10 sorry, I don't run the latest image on my FR. mine is about 5 days old Nov 16 14:25:11 JaMa|Wrk: is there already some patch? Nov 16 14:25:13 spaetz: sure, he was first ACKing SRCPV :) Nov 16 14:25:13 spaetz: FR just stops while display is still on Nov 16 14:25:19 mrmoku: I sent one.. Nov 16 14:25:30 JaMa|Wrk: hehe, great :) Nov 16 14:25:33 mrmoku: but RP said that we need something more.. Nov 16 14:25:50 I feel he want's sth that is not git specific, right? Nov 16 14:25:55 damn and i still have the display flickering / crashing when i use gps Nov 16 14:25:55 yup Nov 16 14:26:03 "No, we need to be able to control the version and it shouldn't be git Nov 16 14:26:03 specific... Nov 16 14:26:05 " Nov 16 14:26:10 spaetz: right.. thats easy to change.. Nov 16 14:26:28 but I'm not sure what he mean by "to control the version" Nov 16 14:26:34 I don't understand what he means with we need to control the version Nov 16 14:26:37 ahh :) Nov 16 14:26:38 I've already asked on #oe.. Nov 16 14:27:23 perhaps he wants to be able to turn that on/off per recipe and not globally? Nov 16 14:27:29 * spaetz unsure Nov 16 14:37:02 heyo? Nov 16 14:37:17 wollte heut morgen jemand was von mir? Nov 16 14:39:20 leviathan, yes: spaetz Nov 16 14:39:39 jo Nov 16 14:39:45 der ist auch in der ETH umher Nov 16 14:39:53 schreibe ihm grade ein mail zurück Nov 16 14:40:07 english channel ;) Nov 16 14:40:18 yeah, but just a short answer Nov 16 15:22:04 hi Nov 16 15:24:29 hmm Nov 16 15:24:50 * mrmoku is reading in bitbake/lib/bb/fetch ... Nov 16 15:25:12 funny, my freerunner has a seizure Nov 16 15:25:17 JaMa|Wrk: actually read the git fetcher source code... Nov 16 15:25:24 and BB_GIT_CLONE_FOR_SRCREV does what we thought it does Nov 16 15:25:28 reliably reproducible whenever I press 'n' in the illume keyboard Nov 16 15:25:32 and that probably is what we want it to do Nov 16 15:26:38 mrmoku: Yes I read it too .. Nov 16 15:29:17 JaMa|Wrk: just that we want it to do it always... no only for AUTOREV Nov 16 15:29:23 +t Nov 16 15:30:42 mrmoku: but its not that important for fixed revs, isn't it? Nov 16 15:32:13 mrmoku, saw my message from earlier? Nov 16 15:33:19 TAsn: you mean when you popped in as Tasn2 for 3 secs to give commands? ;) Nov 16 15:33:31 TAsn: yep saw that :) Nov 16 15:34:06 TAsn: wanted to tell you even that we have a new image... but you were gone toooo fast :P Nov 16 15:36:00 TAsn: is it possible that one cannot select a call in phonelog when there is just one? Nov 16 15:37:09 hmm... no must be something different... Nov 16 15:38:00 TAsn: ? Nov 16 15:39:22 TAsn: I wanted to test if adding contacts from phonelog actually works now... just can't select an entry Nov 16 15:39:51 as adding from message segfaults again now :( Nov 16 15:40:27 mrmoku, got new images?! :))))) Nov 16 15:40:27 do they work? Nov 16 15:40:47 mrmoku, are you sure you applied your fix? Nov 16 15:40:59 (GValue) Nov 16 15:41:24 mrmoku, you are not the only one complaining about not being able to select in pyphonelog Nov 16 15:41:29 #709 Nov 16 15:41:30 haha and I know why Nov 16 15:41:45 JaMa|Wrk: now the problem hit us :;P Nov 16 15:41:55 something got waaayyyy wrong with glib Nov 16 15:42:00 mrmoku, what seems to be the problem? Nov 16 15:42:04 a hack? Nov 16 15:42:11 JaMa|Wrk: there is older libphone-ui-shr in the image because of me switching of the sortable git thing Nov 16 15:42:14 so I guess we don't have a new image :( Nov 16 15:42:24 TAsn: we have... but no good one :( Nov 16 15:42:33 TAsn: at least ffalarms is fixed :) Nov 16 15:42:41 so lets think positive :D Nov 16 15:43:46 mrmoku, :) Nov 16 15:43:46 I thought you knew why #709 happens :( Nov 16 15:43:56 no idea Nov 16 15:43:58 * mrmoku checks 709 Nov 16 15:45:37 describes quite what I see, yes Nov 16 15:45:53 brb Nov 16 15:47:52 hopefully my connection will work decently now. Nov 16 15:48:24 mrmoku: i got yesterday's image-lit and can't select in phonlog as well, if that information is of any help to you Nov 16 15:48:34 image-lite Nov 16 15:51:52 mrmoku: ahh it means that LOCALCOUNT went backwards? Nov 16 15:52:14 btw. what does the symbol on shr-today screen next to (left of) the battery symbol try to tell me? Nov 16 15:53:28 topro, the + shaped one? Nov 16 15:53:33 that it's connected to power Nov 16 15:54:36 JaMa|Wrk: compared to the sortable one, yes Nov 16 15:54:37 TAsnn: yes, the + shaped one, ahhh power-GRID?!? or whats the intention. well it doesn't change if i disconnect the charger Nov 16 15:55:08 topro, there's a bug. Nov 16 15:55:39 TAsnn: what part in shr-today is responsible for showing the usb connected icon? Nov 16 15:55:43 I mean how does it do that? Nov 16 15:56:19 TAsnn: well if its known already then this is not a serious problem which needs a urgent fix I think. sorry Nov 16 15:56:37 mrmoku, I bet it asks from framework Nov 16 15:56:43 which is a known issue, isn't it? Nov 16 15:56:51 topro, it's ok. ;) Nov 16 15:57:15 I prefer to know about something twice Nov 16 15:57:21 than not to know about it at all. Nov 16 15:57:37 mrmoku: ffalarms fixed??? Nov 16 15:57:39 * dos1 is upgrading Nov 16 15:57:41 :D Nov 16 15:58:46 TAsnn: just didn't want to bother you with such a thing while there are really important things that keep devs really busy Nov 16 15:58:46 JaMa|Wrk: what do we do now? :P Nov 16 15:59:34 helping me build shr-unstable? :P Nov 16 16:01:16 mrmoku: just to get me updated, I'm quite new to this channel. You moved package names from SVNREV to SVNPV but that didn't solve the "names-have-to-be-upgradable" problem, right? Nov 16 16:01:16 mrmoku: with that BB_GIT_CLONE_FOR_SRCREV? Nov 16 16:01:26 mrmoku: still lots of git errors? Nov 16 16:01:39 JaMa|Wrk: if I turn it on... yes Nov 16 16:01:46 topro: yup Nov 16 16:02:05 JaMa|Wrk, mrmoku: broken packages! Nov 16 16:02:11 topro: well switching to SRCPV solves the problem... and then not... quite difficult Nov 16 16:02:13 for instance: Nov 16 16:02:14 mickeyterm - 2.9.1+gitr52+63b1dff1bc8ac22efabcee8a90e957c3b2423317-r3.4 - 1:2.9.1+gitr0+63b1dff1bc8ac22efabcee8a90e957c3b2423317-r3.4 Nov 16 16:02:22 dos1: welcome ;) Nov 16 16:02:47 ;D Nov 16 16:03:07 i read that this only occures without AUTOREV, right? Nov 16 16:03:24 * JaMa|Wrk had never BB_GIT_CLONE_FOR_SRCREV enabled.. Nov 16 16:03:24 yup Nov 16 16:03:31 at least easy to fix (i mean fixed ver will be newer so upgradable) Nov 16 16:03:40 hmm? Nov 16 16:03:54 dos1: btw. thanks for fixing shr-settings :) Nov 16 16:04:14 mrmoku: how many repos are failing with BB_GIT_CLONE_FOR_SRCREV enabled? Nov 16 16:04:29 JaMa|Wrk: I started a list... moment Nov 16 16:04:33 mrmoku: we can remove those recipes for buildhost.. Nov 16 16:05:05 JaMa|Wrk: far from complete: http://shr.pastebin.com/m730f4beb Nov 16 16:05:21 mrmoku: or you should fix bitbake to no failure when repo is not available Nov 16 16:05:28 JaMa|Wrk: and removing them is what I tried before turning the sortable thing off Nov 16 16:06:16 strange that it wants to update all those repos after PE bump.. Nov 16 16:07:42 JaMa|Wrk: well, I guess it just wants to know the PV for every recipe it is parsing... Nov 16 16:09:06 * mrmoku reenabled it and tries to complete the list Nov 16 16:09:31 sqlite3 ../tmpdir-dev-shr/cache/om-gta02/bb_persist_data.sqlite3 "select * from BB_URI_LOCALCOUNT where key like '%xfce%';" Nov 16 16:09:34 git:git.xfce.org.kalikiana.midori-midori_rev|400139644371c0b675723f9a986ddab4445a8794 Nov 16 16:09:36 git:git.xfce.org.kalikiana.midori-midori_count|0 Nov 16 16:09:39 what do you have? Nov 16 16:09:42 in that database Nov 16 16:10:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1dbad49dba67 10/fsogsmd/src/ (lib/transport.vala plugins/modem_cinterion_mc75/plugin.vala): Nov 16 16:10:57 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: cinterion_mc75: create three channels using the multiplexing transport library Nov 16 16:10:57 freesmartphone.org: Yay, no more piping data through pty's... Nov 16 16:11:10 sqlite> select * from BB_URI_LOCALCOUNT where key like '%xfce%'; Nov 16 16:11:10 git:git.xfce.org.apps.midori-midori_rev|400139644371c0b675723f9a986ddab4445a8794 Nov 16 16:11:15 git:git.xfce.org.apps.midori-midori_count|0 Nov 16 16:11:36 JaMa|Wrk: for that one I fixed the URI Nov 16 16:11:48 s/kalikiana/apps/ Nov 16 16:12:07 mrmoku: just an idea: could you change from gitr to a git timestamp or won't that help either Nov 16 16:12:26 topro: git has no such thing as a timestamp Nov 16 16:12:50 topro: and we need a solution for all different scms supported by OE Nov 16 16:12:59 otherwise it won't be welcome in OE land Nov 16 16:13:13 ok, understood ;) Nov 16 16:14:10 mwester: oh wise man - please show us some solution :D Nov 16 16:23:32 mrmoku: I guess that the difference isn't because of bumped PE.. but with SRCPV is rev fetched while parsing, without it was ignored Nov 16 16:23:52 * JaMa|Wrk gtg.. Nov 16 16:24:03 JaMa|Wrk: yeah, plausible Nov 16 16:24:05 hi, can someb. give me a hint please: http://pastebin.com/m7f14ad08 (contents of shr-unstable/tmp/work/om-gta02-oe-linux-gnueabi/shr-lite-image-2.0-r6/temp/log.do_rootfs.12345) Nov 16 16:24:06 no more OE today probably.. Nov 16 16:24:11 JaMa|Wrk: ok Nov 16 16:24:20 JaMa|Wrk: enjoy your rest :) Nov 16 16:24:56 mrmoku: :) going to pub with friends from France.. Nov 16 16:25:07 good thing :) Nov 16 16:25:29 JaMa|Wrk: show them how good czech beer is... as french people have no idea of good beer ;) Nov 16 16:26:29 sbeh: you have limited locales to en_US in local.conf, right? Nov 16 16:26:39 unfortunately that does not work Nov 16 16:26:45 it once worked, but does not right now Nov 16 16:27:01 it insists on having en_GB to install in the image :( Nov 16 16:27:18 mrmoku: no, i've ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" Nov 16 16:28:36 sbeh: ouch Nov 16 16:28:45 won't work either Nov 16 16:29:09 so, why is it meantioned in the buildin-guide? Nov 16 16:29:54 sbeh: because it once worked :| Nov 16 16:30:08 (and nobody updated the wiki) Nov 16 16:30:17 because you don't need locales for everything else then image Nov 16 16:30:41 if you want to build just a package and not a whole image, you can disable locales Nov 16 16:30:43 ahh, yes so it is still fine if you want to just build some package Nov 16 16:30:45 :) Nov 16 16:31:00 but even if i use the original local.conf, i'm getting this error Nov 16 16:31:12 (in 3mins again, i think (added en_GB)) Nov 16 16:31:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * rb704b4654da0 10/Makefile.am: make dist fixlet courtesy David 'Deubeuliou', thanks! Nov 16 16:31:33 sbeh: well, you have to at least rebuild eglibc... don't know what else cleaning is needed Nov 16 16:31:44 mrmoku: argh. Nov 16 16:31:46 mrmoku: ok, thanks. Nov 16 16:33:14 ok, one question, i only wanted to develop a simple vala-tvtime-command-app for freerunner, do i realy need to build a shr-image my own? (i spent 2hole days now only for that Nov 16 16:33:28 sbeh: no Nov 16 16:33:44 why is it mentioned in the building-guide then? Nov 16 16:34:04 because the building-guide is about building an shr image Nov 16 16:34:08 sbeh: building images is mentioned in building-guide for building only one app? where? :x Nov 16 16:34:18 s/images/whole image/ Nov 16 16:34:18 dos1 meant: sbeh: building whole image is mentioned in building-guide for building only one app? where? :x Nov 16 16:35:07 To develop SHR' applications, you will have to setup a little more than required to build SHR image. First you must have a good setup which allow you to build correctly a SHR image, see Building SHR. Nov 16 16:35:12 first sentence Nov 16 16:35:24 "which allow you" Nov 16 16:35:40 sbeh: which is true. you need to have the same environment as for building image. Nov 16 16:35:49 sbeh: but you don't need to build that image Nov 16 16:36:40 ok, so now i am so far, (one step before packing an image together) can i start to build my app now, or do i need something else? Nov 16 16:37:04 'my app' it sounds so strange oO Nov 16 16:37:18 i think you can build it now :P Nov 16 16:37:28 just write recipe for it and "bitbake my-app" Nov 16 16:38:12 ok, thanks. Nov 16 16:38:39 sbeh: and don't forget to send your recipe to shr-devel if you want my-app to appear in the SHR feed :) Nov 16 16:38:54 mrmoku: i'm not sure about that ;) Nov 16 16:39:06 mrmoku: it's just a gui for tvtime-command Nov 16 16:39:29 sbeh: whatever you think :) Nov 16 16:40:35 is vala and edje a good combination to build applications for shr? Nov 16 16:40:56 sbeh: good thing, yes Nov 16 16:40:58 sbeh: yup, vala+edje+elementary seems to be the best Nov 16 16:41:27 maybe s/vala/c/, it depends who says about what is the best ;) Nov 16 16:41:30 thanks, elementary is something i don't know Nov 16 16:41:30 jet. Nov 16 16:41:54 elementary is widget toolkit based on edje and evas, written for touchscreens Nov 16 16:42:18 sbeh: SHR phone apps use elementary Nov 16 16:43:26 sbeh: http://docs.enlightenment.org/auto/elementary/index.html Nov 16 16:44:13 thanks :) Nov 16 16:44:20 sounds good. Nov 16 16:50:27 bbl Nov 16 16:50:46 mrmoku: sorry iam french and I know realy good (belgium) beer :p Nov 16 16:51:33 belgique de merde ;) Nov 16 16:57:12 sbeh: francais aussi? Nov 16 16:59:00 GarthPS: non, j'ai une copine francaise Nov 16 17:00:02 sbeh: :) t'as de la chance qu je soit casé sinon je t'auria traité de voleur :p. tu es d'ou alors? Nov 16 17:00:24 GarthPS: oh, sry, that's to difficult for me ;) Nov 16 17:01:35 sbeh: so where do you come from (I saied, you are lucky that I have already a girlfriend otherwise I would call you thief!)? Nov 16 17:01:59 GarthPS: i'm german Nov 16 17:02:59 GarthPS: google translates it very ununderstandable :P Nov 16 17:03:25 sbeh: I do not know enought german beer.. I like it tough.. (lol thx google) Nov 16 17:03:52 sbeh: and german beer I know are not what I call tough.. Nov 16 17:04:48 GarthPS: i can't tell you anything about our beer, because i'm not drinking any alcohol :P Nov 16 17:04:57 :) Nov 16 17:05:33 mrmoku|away: rebuilding eglibc did'nt work ... rm -rf shr-project && wget Makefile Nov 16 17:07:25 ffs Nov 16 17:07:33 a power out Nov 16 17:07:40 followed by a few games of COD4 Nov 16 17:17:09 mrmoku|away, sorted out the seg issues? :) what about "sticky power?" Nov 16 17:23:24 sometimes chat.freenode.net kills my connection Nov 16 17:23:29 and sometimes it's uber-fast Nov 16 17:23:37 thankfully, now it's uber fast :) Nov 16 17:28:15 hi guys, I am looking for a hint about distutils. I have a unittest file. how should it be included in distutils file? I guess it does not need to end up in the package of the app when installed under OE... Nov 16 17:40:09 onen|openBmap: isn't that a member of *-devel usually Nov 16 17:41:04 DocScrutinizer-8: Hallo. yes that is what I have in mind. this should end up in some -devel package, next to the regular one. But I don't know if this is at the recipe step, or already in the distutil file... Nov 16 17:41:32 * onen|openBmap watching n900 videos... Nov 16 17:41:34 aah, no idea Nov 16 17:47:37 dos1, here? Nov 16 17:48:58 TAsn: there. Nov 16 17:49:08 mind building fennec b4? Nov 16 17:49:21 TAsn: if there's recipe for that - why not? :P Nov 16 17:49:32 I think there is Nov 16 17:49:46 as angstrom has it. Nov 16 17:50:01 but, bahh. I don't have an up to date image ;( Nov 16 17:50:07 so I won't be able to install it anyway. Nov 16 17:50:12 but whatever, built it. :) Nov 16 17:57:35 dos1: :P Nov 16 17:57:59 mrmoku: ^^" Nov 16 17:58:13 dos1, found a recipe? Nov 16 17:58:22 TAsn: seg issue is known Nov 16 17:58:25 it took an old rev Nov 16 17:58:30 due to our SRCPV boogie Nov 16 17:58:35 cool. Nov 16 17:58:40 and sticky power? :) Nov 16 17:58:45 not so Nov 16 17:58:52 :P Nov 16 17:58:53 anyway... still not here yet Nov 16 17:58:58 any leads? something I can do? Nov 16 17:59:04 have to do some stuff with filius Nov 16 17:59:08 (without messing up my phone) Nov 16 17:59:13 soo.... will be back in 15min Nov 16 17:59:17 okie. Nov 16 18:00:20 TAsn: there is recipe using hg repository Nov 16 18:00:23 TAsn: and on buildhost: Nov 16 18:00:27 /usr/bin/env: hg: No such file or directory Nov 16 18:01:23 :| Nov 16 18:01:25 what's hg repo? Nov 16 18:01:33 mercurial? Nov 16 18:01:55 i'll build firefox! Nov 16 18:01:57 :D Nov 16 18:02:56 nah. Nov 16 18:03:01 too slow :) Nov 16 18:03:10 I can't remember who it was Nov 16 18:03:18 though someone already tried out gimp and ff Nov 16 18:03:18 :) Nov 16 18:03:53 dos1, maybe build some games? Nov 16 18:04:02 like the gnome-games Nov 16 18:07:49 TAsn: it was me ;D Nov 16 18:08:06 oh :) Nov 16 18:08:07 hehe. Nov 16 18:08:57 does anyone wonder how gimp and firefox work on FR ? Nov 16 18:09:04 I have native packages for both :) Nov 16 18:09:10 gimp - usable, but slow Nov 16 18:09:19 firefox - sloooooooooooooooooooow Nov 16 18:09:26 firefox used to be good until 3.5 Nov 16 18:09:34 dos1, you dropped some 'o's Nov 16 18:09:43 gimp is definitely usable but drawing is laggy for some tools Nov 16 18:09:51 you probably meant sl{o*21312}w Nov 16 18:09:51 :) Nov 16 18:10:08 firefox 2 actually was usable Nov 16 18:10:09 most important is loading time, which sucks. Nov 16 18:10:17 from what I could see Nov 16 18:10:22 yeah that sucked but redraws were beareable Nov 16 18:10:23 android uses caching for native apps Nov 16 18:10:32 and for some others as well Nov 16 18:10:33 and if you installed drag & grab plugin, it was pretty finger usable Nov 16 18:10:36 maybe you can ask for it. Nov 16 18:11:02 they just remove it from "active windows list" but still keep it running ( in the background) Nov 16 18:11:06 I think now firefox is not an option for FR.. Nov 16 18:11:08 or at least this is how it looks like. Nov 16 18:11:13 cz_jc, :) Nov 16 18:11:14 I'd like to see something like the android browser Nov 16 18:11:21 dos1, what about eve? and ewebkit? Nov 16 18:11:24 not in terms of loading time but usability Nov 16 18:11:35 is it open source? Nov 16 18:11:52 btw Nov 16 18:12:05 the android browser ? Nov 16 18:12:06 probably is Nov 16 18:12:13 I don't think hacking "eve" or midori to be finger friendly will be *that* hard Nov 16 18:12:33 midori is gtk.. that would be hard imo Nov 16 18:12:36 I mean, it's probably just a matter of adding the webkit widget instead a finger scrollable window Nov 16 18:12:37 ... Nov 16 18:12:45 TAsn: isn't eve already in repo? Nov 16 18:12:46 cz_jc, gtk with libmokoui2 Nov 16 18:12:51 shouldn't be that hard. Nov 16 18:12:58 dos1, it is Nov 16 18:13:03 but probably an old version Nov 16 18:13:04 btw midori sources are beautiful Nov 16 18:13:14 (unless anyone build a new one recently) Nov 16 18:13:21 its plain C apart from some ugly custom associative array code Nov 16 18:13:52 TAsn: i think it's just in EFL_SRCREV Nov 16 18:13:56 it has its issues though - like not storing sessions Nov 16 18:14:19 what about the new maemo platform browser and apps in general ? Nov 16 18:14:22 I know hildon was portable Nov 16 18:14:33 maybe the broweser is also portable. Nov 16 18:14:59 I saw some nokia git repo for the new qt that powers it Nov 16 18:15:18 I really, honestly Nov 16 18:15:27 don't think we also need qt on the moko Nov 16 18:15:35 having gtk and efl is more than enough Nov 16 18:15:39 I really honestly thing we need a browser :D Nov 16 18:15:42 *think Nov 16 18:15:47 (maybe we should drop gtk and get qt) Nov 16 18:15:50 that'd fine with me Nov 16 18:15:59 maybe.. qtopia was pretty nice Nov 16 18:16:01 but still, 3 graphical tks Nov 16 18:16:10 cz_jc, nah, was terrible. Nov 16 18:16:14 felt worst than android :) Nov 16 18:16:16 efl is nice vut not developer friendly :/ Nov 16 18:16:21 why not? Nov 16 18:16:22 it is Nov 16 18:16:25 they finally release docs ;) Nov 16 18:16:31 TAsn, I mean apart from the fact it ran on its own fbdev and other design flaws :P Nov 16 18:16:34 eve seems to be really nice Nov 16 18:16:39 TAsn, they did ? Nov 16 18:16:42 we only need finger scrolling :P Nov 16 18:16:43 dos1, still buggy? Nov 16 18:16:47 TAsn, cool ! I was waiting for that XD Nov 16 18:16:53 dos1, the scrollbar works? Nov 16 18:16:54 it seems to be way faster than other browsers Nov 16 18:16:58 (except links ;P) Nov 16 18:17:00 TAsn, and some glade-ish tool too? :D Nov 16 18:17:05 cz_jc, 1 month or so ago. Nov 16 18:17:10 cz_jc, edje-builder? Nov 16 18:17:33 dos1, Nov 16 18:17:38 eve 0.0.1+r42355-r2 Nov 16 18:17:40 TAsn, if you mean edje_cc then no, I mean a GUI RAD tool :) Nov 16 18:17:41 = latest? Nov 16 18:17:49 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r738aa87644fa 10/msmcommd/src/msmcommd.c: Fix setup of the serial port Nov 16 18:17:50 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r103fb56ec895 10/msmcommd/src/msmcommd.c: Unique naming for all functions Nov 16 18:17:51 cz_jc, edje-builder... Nov 16 18:17:51 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rd84e3ed725c1 10/msmcommd/src/msmcommd.c: msmcommd: correct crc16_fcs calculation Nov 16 18:17:54 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r9a2bd45491c6 10/msmcommd/src/msmcommd.c: msmcommd: add more debug_msg statements Nov 16 18:17:54 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r8a5c090618e2 10/msmcommd/src/msmcommd.c: msmcommd: remove non essential info function Nov 16 18:18:03 TAsn: i'll try to build latest Nov 16 18:18:04 CIA-86: editje Nov 16 18:18:07 ups Nov 16 18:18:11 dos1, thanks. Nov 16 18:18:15 cz_jc: editje Nov 16 18:18:33 ERROR: could not load theme from file '/usr/share/eve/data/default.edj', group 'eve.scrollframe': File Does Not Exist Nov 16 18:18:36 btw Nov 16 18:18:36 here Nov 16 18:18:40 hm.. I still seez nothing on google :/ Nov 16 18:18:53 cz_jc, there's a gui utility Nov 16 18:18:57 I don't rememeber the exact name Nov 16 18:19:00 (or so it seems) Nov 16 18:19:24 TAsn, which means another unofficial probably homeless (no web or repo tracker) package doomed to be obsolete in a few weeks ? Nov 16 18:19:26 cz_jc, TAsn: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/43724 Nov 16 18:19:28 edje-editor? Nov 16 18:19:47 cz_jc, why? Nov 16 18:20:02 larsc, I see.. nice Nov 16 18:20:03 dos1, maybe the recipe doesn't do it correctly? (copying that theme file) Nov 16 18:20:07 larsc, taking a look, sec. Nov 16 18:20:12 larsc, looks official :) Nov 16 18:20:18 TAsn: here eve works Nov 16 18:20:33 larsc, sweet. :) Nov 16 18:20:41 dos1, run from cli Nov 16 18:20:45 do you see the same error? Nov 16 18:21:50 no Nov 16 18:22:02 do you have the file? Nov 16 18:22:06 what's your eve revision? Nov 16 18:22:30 eve - 0.0.1+svnr43437-r2.4 - Nov 16 18:22:32 eve-themes - 0.0.1+svnr43437-r2.4 - Nov 16 18:22:42 so it's newer Nov 16 18:22:43 ;) Nov 16 18:22:45 yeah. :) Nov 16 18:23:45 ffs Nov 16 18:23:47 routing doesn't work Nov 16 18:23:53 from my moko Nov 16 18:23:59 nvm Nov 16 18:24:00 fixed :) Nov 16 18:24:52 dos1, we should really start building many cool linux apps Nov 16 18:24:54 that work :) Nov 16 18:25:52 dos1, and games Nov 16 18:25:54 don't you think? Nov 16 18:26:01 I think that's "our greatest strength" Nov 16 18:26:12 over the other smartphones Nov 16 18:26:24 and we just don't utilize it for some reason :| Nov 16 18:28:08 TAsn, not enough people I think.. and also many people settle for ugly hack and incorrect solutions and hide in the dark once their gadget works Nov 16 18:28:29 like me for example XD Nov 16 18:28:30 who cares about people? :) Nov 16 18:28:35 we should just build and have fun :) Nov 16 18:28:44 I do XD Nov 16 18:29:03 dos1, superfast Nov 16 18:29:10 mrmoku: ping Nov 16 18:29:17 though I don't have scrollbars :| Nov 16 18:29:42 umm.... seems to be away Nov 16 18:29:53 TAsn, for example as opposed to android or whatever devices, FR can be used to Wakeonlan devices around it Nov 16 18:29:58 which is really fun :) Nov 16 18:30:09 Anyone knows if the new images from 16th Nov have some goodies to try? (my FR just came back from Germany :) Nov 16 18:30:09 cz_jc, wrap it with gui Nov 16 18:30:09 TAsn: use arrows on illume keyboard Nov 16 18:30:16 and ship it as a package Nov 16 18:30:20 dos1, ubersucksor :) Nov 16 18:30:24 TAsn, its been dome.. but its java Nov 16 18:30:25 *done Nov 16 18:30:29 sucks. Nov 16 18:30:36 dos1, do we have zenity in feed? Nov 16 18:30:41 TAsn: yup ;D but i hope it'll be changed Nov 16 18:30:50 TAsn: zenity? dunno Nov 16 18:30:56 i'm sure there is recipe for it Nov 16 18:31:13 TAsn: prepare list of packages for me to include into feed Nov 16 18:31:22 dos1, where is eve's source code at? Nov 16 18:31:28 i'll review it and add to task-shr-feed what can be built Nov 16 18:31:29 dos1, zenity Nov 16 18:31:38 nothing more I can think of atm. Nov 16 18:31:41 dos1, but if you can Nov 16 18:31:44 please go through the wiki Nov 16 18:31:50 s/the wiki/trac/ Nov 16 18:31:50 TAsn meant: please go through trac Nov 16 18:31:59 and add packages user requested Nov 16 18:32:13 just query for all of the package requests Nov 16 18:32:31 TAsn: noo, that's not what i mean Nov 16 18:32:38 then? Nov 16 18:32:38 i mean - some existing recipe in oe.dev, which we can try to build :P Nov 16 18:32:49 Hi! Don't opim returns out smses as in? I see sent as received in phoneui-messages Nov 16 18:32:52 I know that's what you meant. Nov 16 18:33:13 max_posedon, mark Nov 16 18:33:17 and click "Show" Nov 16 18:33:24 it should tell you if it's "in" or "out" there Nov 16 18:33:28 no difference in list, yet. Nov 16 18:33:56 read(out) Nov 16 18:34:25 max_posedon, :) Nov 16 18:34:27 out... Nov 16 18:34:34 soltys, its phoneui-messages issue? Nov 16 18:34:42 dos1, got any idea where I can find eve's source code? Nov 16 18:34:43 e.g. so* Nov 16 18:34:50 max_posedon, it's not an issue Nov 16 18:34:52 atm Nov 16 18:34:57 we show both in the same list Nov 16 18:34:59 it's a feature Nov 16 18:35:03 until we do it correctly. Nov 16 18:35:19 it's not bug, it's a feature! :D Nov 16 18:35:24 TAsn: look at recipe Nov 16 18:35:27 TAsn, I see very strange field From Nov 16 18:35:34 not To Nov 16 18:35:44 That's probably because I'm an idiot... Nov 16 18:35:51 nothing more. Nov 16 18:35:59 don't open a bug though Nov 16 18:36:03 as it was only a temp hack Nov 16 18:36:07 TAsn: SRC_URI = "svn://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/PROTO;module=eve;proto=http" Nov 16 18:36:18 weepee, thanks. :) Nov 16 18:36:30 ok) I just wamted notify you Nov 16 18:37:10 http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/PROTO/eve/src/bin/ Nov 16 18:37:10 max_posedon, thanks ;) Nov 16 18:37:15 dos1, looks like a very easy fix Nov 16 18:37:23 if you know how to write GUI's in e17 :) Nov 16 18:37:34 it really looks like a matter of changing the "holding" widget Nov 16 18:37:38 I'll take a look when I'll have time Nov 16 18:37:43 (which is after my test on monday) Nov 16 18:38:11 btw, dos1 no desktop eve icon :| Nov 16 18:38:58 dos1, Nov 16 18:39:03 cold start to google test: Nov 16 18:39:06 midori: ~40 seconds Nov 16 18:39:13 TAsn, if you're bothered with desktop icons, look into /usr/share/applications/ Nov 16 18:39:13 Is eve usable already? Nov 16 18:39:28 TAsn, you can override them (make your own) in ~/.local/share/applications Nov 16 18:39:38 eve: ~26 Nov 16 18:39:45 beniwtv, mostly Nov 16 18:39:56 cz_jc, I know Nov 16 18:40:04 I'm just saying it's not shipped, at all. Nov 16 18:40:27 TAsn, so copy one and rewrite executable name as I do for 90% stuff :) Nov 16 18:40:55 for some reason also e refuses to render some without any message that work in xfce or gnome Nov 16 18:41:13 cz_jc, I don't care about having a desktop icon for myself Nov 16 18:41:25 oh sorry thats illume, actualy in non-illume profile it works too Nov 16 18:41:25 I'm talking from the distro developer pov. Nov 16 18:41:44 TAsn, SHR is still active? :) Nov 16 18:41:49 huh? Nov 16 18:42:04 I thought every Freerunner related project was dead Nov 16 18:42:15 LOL Nov 16 18:42:21 cz_jc, first of all Nov 16 18:42:22 heh Nov 16 18:42:27 shr is not freerunner related ;) Nov 16 18:42:36 it just happens to run on a free runner Nov 16 18:42:55 and it's only a coincidence all the devs have freerunners, and only freerunners Nov 16 18:42:57 TAsn, that means its related, doesn't it? XD Nov 16 18:43:15 well.. good to be proven wrong on this one Nov 16 18:43:18 cz_jc, it's like saying gtk+ is freerunner related (my first point) Nov 16 18:43:22 cz_jc: but i don't think that means "dead" :P Nov 16 18:43:31 but yeah Nov 16 18:43:48 shr is mostly freerunner oriented (because we have nothing else) Nov 16 18:43:52 I wish I had a palm pre ;] Nov 16 18:43:55 as long as we have such a shortage on open hardware, the openmoko devices will remain the primary target of our works, but we all hope that this is going to change Nov 16 18:45:16 so Om official distros are active too ? Nov 16 18:45:36 no Nov 16 18:45:55 cz_jc: as there is even no need for Om official distros Nov 16 18:45:56 practically speaking, there is no official Om distro anymore Nov 16 18:45:58 and is it true everyone that was paid for it ditched? :) Nov 16 18:46:07 correct Nov 16 18:46:11 SHR is good enough :) Nov 16 18:46:27 i have to say that we achieved much more since Om officially let go of the project Nov 16 18:46:34 so i some sense it was healthy for the movement... Nov 16 18:46:39 s/i/in/ Nov 16 18:46:39 mickey|sofa meant: so in some sense it was healthy for the movement... Nov 16 18:47:30 one has to wonder though since the projects like FSO probably will be device-independent once a good powerful open phone arrives, will FR be 'good enough' to run that software ? Nov 16 18:47:52 mickey|bbl, I agree. :) Nov 16 18:48:04 cz_jc, you mean SHR? Nov 16 18:48:11 we are aiming for other devices Nov 16 18:48:22 we are not restricting ourselves to gta02 Nov 16 18:48:34 anyhow, I'm off. Nov 16 18:48:36 as long as someone cares about the FR, we will continue supporting it, but the limitations will be a critical factor as time/we move on Nov 16 18:48:39 cu TAsn Nov 16 18:48:47 TAsn, thanks, bye :) Nov 16 18:48:57 mickey|sofa, I agree Nov 16 18:48:59 mickey|bbl, yeah, thats what I'm afraid of.. Nov 16 18:50:05 nothing to be worred about though Nov 16 18:50:11 mickey|sofa: based on your testing, do you think FSO 2 will be better for the FR, even in the future? I mean, what else could we want in FSO, what's not in FSO 1? Nov 16 18:50:13 i don't see anything in the short term coming ;) Nov 16 18:50:14 well.. at least some good effort came out of money for my FR, if not a usable phone.. Nov 16 18:50:20 beniwtv: speed Nov 16 18:50:36 beniwtv: it's already much faster with fsousaged and fsodeviced than with odeviced and ousaged Nov 16 18:50:43 beniwtv: FSO2 is about a) major speed improvements and b) the next iteration of sane APIs Nov 16 18:50:49 beniwtv: fsogsmd will provide another speed-up Nov 16 18:50:51 dos1, agree, I'm looking forward to that Nov 16 18:51:05 sane APIs - yeah XD Nov 16 18:51:41 why not copy some android API philosophies ? seems to work for them :P Nov 16 18:51:55 for sure Nov 16 18:52:01 android has some good approaches Nov 16 18:52:07 the emphasis was on "sane" ;-) Nov 16 18:52:17 e.g. lifecycle and component architecture are not bad Nov 16 18:52:26 definitely looking at these Nov 16 18:52:28 but then again android has also really much "device-dependend" hacks Nov 16 18:52:34 and ignoring all the bad stuff :) Nov 16 18:53:27 I love their event system Nov 16 18:53:45 upstart? Nov 16 18:53:45 mrmoku: ping :) Nov 16 18:53:54 for example music applications are registered and when you play something, you see it in events and when a call arrives, it gets paused Nov 16 18:54:09 I have an idea for a great app! :) Nov 16 18:54:12 weepee. Nov 16 18:54:14 could be done with standard-aware applications, dbus and some deamon like FSO, wouldn't it ? Nov 16 18:54:17 mickey|sofa: how's palm pre challenge going? Nov 16 18:54:20 we should be able to do that,too cz_jc Nov 16 18:54:23 cz_jc: jep Nov 16 18:54:40 cz_jc: pulse does that Nov 16 18:54:46 dos1: as far as i know it slowed down a bit, work is underway to tackle the modem which is giving us the largest headache Nov 16 18:54:48 and maybe write some wrappers for apps that are already controllable like mplayer, exaile and such to make it work with that.. Nov 16 18:55:03 larsc, doesn't pulse just cut mute the audio and connect something else to the output ? Nov 16 18:55:06 cz_jc: at some point of time the community has to make a choice Nov 16 18:55:16 the real callenge though is to make not patched non-standard (" ") app integrate Nov 16 18:55:39 whether to adopt new technologies involving reinvention of some wheels or whether to add support for all "legacy" approaches, not being able to properly move forward Nov 16 18:55:58 beniwtv: pong pong :) Nov 16 18:56:06 this may not be a popular view though Nov 16 18:56:17 I'd add a standard one and small hacks TM receiver deamon with tons of workarounds for applications that don't support it natively, via plugins, etc Nov 16 18:56:22 cz_jc: yeay, ok, right. pulse just mutes the other stream Nov 16 18:56:23 dos1, http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/465 Nov 16 18:56:28 but i'm afraid some of the good old unix traditions have to be given up for a nice user experience Nov 16 18:56:41 then again, I#m stuck in middleware, so... Nov 16 18:56:52 larsc, but I agree pulseaudio fits there too - because apps that don't obey should be silenced when a call arrives :) Nov 16 18:56:58 TAsn: what about your idea for a great app? Nov 16 18:56:58 * mrmoku is stuck in distroware :P Nov 16 18:57:00 question is how good software sound mixing is on FR Nov 16 18:57:02 mrmoku: hehe Nov 16 18:57:11 mrmoku: at some point of time we can all start doing great apps Nov 16 18:57:15 i'm sure that wil come Nov 16 18:57:15 mrmoku: Are the images from 16th worth a try? My FR just returned from Germany and I need to flash something :D Nov 16 18:57:17 mrmoku, do you by any chance have time to add the fd polling to the mainloop? (in a sane way) Nov 16 18:57:21 cz_jc: that can be done by alsa as well Nov 16 18:57:46 DocScrutinizer-8, for freerunner you mean Nov 16 18:57:47 though I agree PA might be smarter Nov 16 18:57:48 beniwtv: if you don't actually depend on it to do emergency calls... Nov 16 18:57:57 basic stuff should work Nov 16 18:58:06 mickey|sofa: but.... when? :) Nov 16 18:58:17 mrmoku: I have my other phone for emergency calls :) Nov 16 18:58:29 beniwtv: then go ahead... it boots and basic stuff works Nov 16 18:58:30 DocScrutinizer-8, different phones may have different DSP controls with different possibilities Nov 16 18:58:37 mrmoku: well... after oe.dev.merge, after fso2 completion, etc... :) Nov 16 18:58:49 mrmoku: Nice! Will report back :) Nov 16 18:58:49 it should be done via fdo.mediaplayer dbus api Nov 16 18:58:53 mickey|sofa: that would be.... well not this year :P Nov 16 18:58:59 mrmoku: i'm afraid so, ya Nov 16 18:59:04 cz_jc: alsa options != audio-hw options Nov 16 18:59:16 TAsn: image first :P Nov 16 18:59:24 dos1, It'll use both the aux and the motion detectors. You'll hold "AUX" to tell the app what do you consider as base point, and then motion detection will emulate pressing of up/down/left/right arrows. Another tap on AUX will stop it, another tap will start it again. This way you'll have GREAT navigation in many annoying apps, like eve... :) Nov 16 18:59:29 mickey|sofa: any advise? what should I do? (regarding SRCPV) Nov 16 18:59:30 dos1, what do you think? Nov 16 18:59:37 everyone else, what do you think? Nov 16 18:59:40 mrmoku, :) Nov 16 19:00:03 DocScrutinizer-8, do you think its wise to mess with software app restrictions on kernel or alsalib level ? :) Nov 16 19:00:05 cz_jc: e.g. softvol plugin of ALSA is completely hw-independent, so is dmix Nov 16 19:00:12 TAsn: nice, something like that i already tried to do with supertux Nov 16 19:00:20 mrmoku: I'm thinking lets just do it and set SRCPV = SRCREV in bitbake.conf as per oe.dev Nov 16 19:00:28 TAsn: but i failed - python app was too slow to control such game :x Nov 16 19:00:37 that would let us move on with the merge while we're working on a real solution Nov 16 19:00:39 cz_jc: I don't read ya Nov 16 19:00:59 apparantly koen is really opposed to it atm. Nov 16 19:00:59 dos1, I'm talking about having a general app Nov 16 19:01:04 lets see how the discussion move on Nov 16 19:01:06 for every app out there Nov 16 19:01:07 moves on Nov 16 19:01:08 starting from eve Nov 16 19:01:13 and ending with epdf Nov 16 19:01:15 TAsn: yup, i understand Nov 16 19:01:16 games Nov 16 19:01:17 and such. Nov 16 19:01:17 mickey|sofa: hmm Nov 16 19:01:18 : Nov 16 19:01:20 :) Nov 16 19:01:39 the first goal before branching an testing version off needs to be increasing package numbers Nov 16 19:01:42 I'll have to make it light weight, though having this kind of thing looks nice to me ;) Nov 16 19:01:49 heyho Nov 16 19:01:51 while we're doing unstable and reflashing all the time it#s not that much of a problem Nov 16 19:01:55 (although inconvenient) Nov 16 19:02:00 but for testing, it#s a showstopper Nov 16 19:02:01 I'd rather scroll webpages and pdfs Nov 16 19:02:02 mickey|sofa: so no upgradability for unstable? Nov 16 19:02:07 with tilting the FR Nov 16 19:02:18 than anything else. Nov 16 19:02:21 mrmoku: as much as i'd love to have it, the choices are the problem Nov 16 19:02:35 (including dragging my finger on screen.) Nov 16 19:02:46 cz_jc: alsa consists of kernel drivers for the hw, as well as userland libs to interface these kerneldrivers plus supply convenience functions to apps Nov 16 19:03:12 mickey|sofa: so, to get an unstable image out we have to revert all the SRCPV and PE bump patches and rebuild from scratch? Nov 16 19:03:17 TAsn won't love that :P Nov 16 19:03:28 i'd leave it in, tbh Nov 16 19:03:31 won't love what? Nov 16 19:03:33 neighter me Nov 16 19:03:40 with the hope it can be merged in some form or another Nov 16 19:03:40 neither* Nov 16 19:03:48 mickey|sofa: my problem with those patches is that with SRCPV tons of git recipes don't even parse Nov 16 19:04:01 as with SRCPV get_srcrev seems to happen at parsing time Nov 16 19:04:08 sorry, gtg :/ Nov 16 19:04:13 and there is loooots of recipes with obsolete SRC_URIs :( Nov 16 19:04:19 ok Nov 16 19:04:20 cod4 Nov 16 19:04:23 and then back to studying. Nov 16 19:04:37 mrmoku, my apps have SRC_URIs :) Nov 16 19:04:38 mrmoku: while that blocks us now, i think it's important to fix 'em Nov 16 19:04:44 how many offenders do we talk about? Nov 16 19:05:10 mickey|sofa: up to now I found over 40 Nov 16 19:05:46 remmoved them on the buildhost Nov 16 19:05:52 and it still does not parse... Nov 16 19:06:08 as I hope it will come to an end sometime... I will just continue to get a list of broken bbs Nov 16 19:06:38 mickey|sofa: ahh, this happens only when you turn on the OM way of SRCPV Nov 16 19:07:32 mickey|sofa, I wasn't able to call any numbers or suspend the other day (the thing I told you about all over again) Nov 16 19:07:36 though logs show no errors Nov 16 19:07:42 and everything looks just fine :| Nov 16 19:08:27 2009.11.15 16:48:29.230 frameworkd.resource INFO setting resource status for GSM from enabled to suspended Nov 16 19:08:30 TAsn: i would llove to help testing Nov 16 19:08:37 and nothing after said it's revived from suspend Nov 16 19:08:39 mickey|sofa: and then there are recipes where the SRC_URI is correct but the sane-srcrev does not exist Nov 16 19:08:40 but my image voodoo is still lacking Nov 16 19:08:52 mrmoku: that's a bad bug in the metadata Nov 16 19:09:01 mrmoku: the sooner we find something like that, the better Nov 16 19:10:31 mickey|sofa: and then there is stuff like this: Nov 16 19:10:31 remote: error: packfile ./objects/pack/pack-2a0b3ec8495e424f5aa957f423741411ec1bd2d7.pack cannot be accessed Nov 16 19:10:35 mickey|bbl, Nov 16 19:10:35 remote: error: unable to find 0817c1e74a1960470a1823dfdeb45f0087f309bc Nov 16 19:10:37 http://pastebin.com/m3f029b74 Nov 16 19:10:37 remote: fatal: unable to get type of object 0817c1e74a1960470a1823dfdeb45f0087f309bc Nov 16 19:10:40 that's my log. Nov 16 19:10:41 remote: aborting due to possible repository corruption on the remote side. Nov 16 19:11:00 for the openezx repo btw. Nov 16 19:11:00 looks like fso suspends gsm Nov 16 19:11:05 and fails to suspend something else Nov 16 19:11:11 (I saw that on screen, not in logs) Nov 16 19:11:25 and then gsm stays suspended Nov 16 19:11:30 and issuing a call doesn't work. Nov 16 19:11:33 TAsn: heiko found the suspend problem today i think Nov 16 19:11:39 see mails on smartphones-userland Nov 16 19:12:04 mickey|sofa, when phone is not able to suspend? Nov 16 19:12:06 sec Nov 16 19:12:20 yeah, apparantly there's some subtleness in open(2) Nov 16 19:12:29 wrt. to the third argument Nov 16 19:12:46 the old posix apis are always good for a surprise... Nov 16 19:13:03 in libfsobasics? Nov 16 19:13:28 i'm not subscribed into smartphones-userland? O_o Nov 16 19:13:46 http://www.mail-archive.com/smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org/msg01872.html Nov 16 19:13:47 this Nov 16 19:13:47 ? Nov 16 19:14:20 yes, this thread Nov 16 19:14:26 cool. Nov 16 19:14:30 is his patch in already? Nov 16 19:14:34 no Nov 16 19:14:34 ok, subscribed :D Nov 16 19:14:38 since i do not want to revert my patch Nov 16 19:14:44 but rather find the cause Nov 16 19:14:56 mickey|sofa: (reinvent the wheel) I always thought good sw engineering is about having new futuresafe concepts while providing a compatibility layer to support legacy as much as possible Nov 16 19:14:58 mickey|sofa, okie :) Nov 16 19:15:11 mickey|sofa, please let me know. Nov 16 19:15:55 mickey|sofa: but here suspend works, it's just GSM broken after resume Nov 16 19:16:28 DocScrutinizer-8: ACK. I think that's a good definition. Where it gets hairy is when the amount of work necessary to support "legacy" goes way over the amount of work necessary to create the future concepts. I can understand that some folks do not want to pay that price. Nov 16 19:16:42 dos1: strange enough Nov 16 19:16:49 (legacy) that's what fsoraw, aoss wrapper, win-xp mode, etc is all about Nov 16 19:16:55 if i had an image, i'd test :) Nov 16 19:17:00 mickey|sofa: and seems like TAsn now have the same Nov 16 19:17:02 DocScrutinizer-8: yes Nov 16 19:17:10 mickey|sofa: do you want link to newest shr? :D Nov 16 19:17:18 dos1, no Nov 16 19:17:22 dos1: yes, please, if that shows the problem Nov 16 19:17:25 dos1, suspend does not work Nov 16 19:17:29 it suspends gsm Nov 16 19:17:31 trys to suspend Nov 16 19:17:32 fails Nov 16 19:17:37 and then gsm stays suspended. Nov 16 19:18:03 framework should probably catch exceptions when suspneding and revert latest changes Nov 16 19:18:18 absolutely Nov 16 19:18:23 in fact, that's what fsousaged is trying to do Nov 16 19:18:27 TAsn: no, i think you have the same issue Nov 16 19:18:29 sorry to hear that it's not working Nov 16 19:18:33 TAsn: please, reboot Nov 16 19:18:37 TAsn: and on clean boot suspend Nov 16 19:18:39 TAsn: it'll work Nov 16 19:18:43 mickey|sofa, hehe :) Nov 16 19:18:44 TAsn: and suspend again Nov 16 19:18:45 dos1, I know Nov 16 19:18:47 TAsn: it won't work Nov 16 19:18:57 TAsn: it's already broken after first suspend ;) Nov 16 19:19:00 dos1, I'm using an old image Nov 16 19:19:08 which suspends nicely Nov 16 19:19:26 failed-to-suspend isn't cause, it's symptom Nov 16 19:22:05 mickey|sofa: http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02/ Nov 16 19:22:20 awesome, thanks Nov 16 19:22:25 TAsn, mrmoku: please point mickey|sofa to some working image ;) Nov 16 19:22:27 this includes latest fso2 stuff? Nov 16 19:22:34 (if latest isn't working) Nov 16 19:22:46 mickey|sofa: fsousaged is included, fsodeviced is in repo Nov 16 19:22:49 * mickey|sofa grabs http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/unstable/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.tar.gz Nov 16 19:22:53 (and few others fso*d too) Nov 16 19:23:29 but i don't know if this bug happens on clean image ;x Nov 16 19:24:26 heh Nov 16 19:24:37 * DocScrutinizer-8 searched his frige to find him a fsausage to prepare for dinner Nov 16 19:24:38 dos1, why don't we switch to fsodeviced? Nov 16 19:24:52 DocScrutinizer-8, hehe. Nov 16 19:24:55 DocScrutinizer-8: :D Nov 16 19:25:10 anyhow, ffs Nov 16 19:25:14 COD4 and then study Nov 16 19:25:15 cya. :) Nov 16 19:25:20 good plan, cya Nov 16 19:25:22 TAsn: thanks for reminding Nov 16 19:25:42 well, Maica Wuerstchen mit kartoffelsalat has do do Nov 16 19:25:46 i wanted to update default frameworkd.conf to have working fsodeviced conf Nov 16 19:25:59 dos1, and finally move to it? Nov 16 19:26:39 TAsn: after that - maybe yes Nov 16 19:26:57 and after few minor shr-settings changes Nov 16 19:26:59 NOTE that as per recent discussion on smartphones-userland i'm going to chance config files soon Nov 16 19:27:04 every subsystem will have its own one Nov 16 19:27:06 mickey|bbl, what's the difference in mem signature and performance (fso2 vs fso1) I know you can't tell precisely, I just want "a feel" is it 23mb ram vs 12mb ram and twice as fast ? Nov 16 19:27:08 will make some things easier Nov 16 19:27:16 or something like that. :) Nov 16 19:27:31 TAsn: yes, i would expect orders of a magnitude Nov 16 19:27:31 mickey|sofa, I agree. all in /etc/fso/ Nov 16 19:27:34 I hope :) Nov 16 19:27:48 like, it should _really_ feel faster Nov 16 19:28:01 dos1, what about shr-settings ohponekitd -> phonefsod, did it? Nov 16 19:28:10 he did :) Nov 16 19:28:18 mickey|sofa, I'm talking about atm, you are using the cutting edge alphas, is it really that faster? :) Nov 16 19:28:39 TAsn: like i said, i have not been able to do any work on the device since long Nov 16 19:28:46 so i can't tell the difference for sure Nov 16 19:28:57 last months i have only worked on the desktop Nov 16 19:28:57 mickey|sofa, okie, thanks. Nov 16 19:29:02 makes sense. Nov 16 19:29:24 mrmoku, btw, we really need to start taking the debug level for libphone-ui and such from config/env var Nov 16 19:29:30 as we produce too much output on default. Nov 16 19:29:48 and probably use g_debug and g_warn/g_critical and such in a smarter way. :) Nov 16 19:29:53 anyhow *ciao* Nov 16 19:32:01 TAsn: ohh yeah :) Nov 16 19:32:21 (sorry for the beep :P) Nov 16 19:40:51 mickey|sofa: http://shr.pastebin.com/m31b12b7c Nov 16 19:40:59 after removing all those recipes it parses Nov 16 19:41:04 brb Nov 16 19:41:10 thanks mrmoku Nov 16 19:41:50 mrmoku: ok, that's not too bad Nov 16 19:42:02 TAsn: not gotten your hands on CoD6 yet? Nov 16 19:42:33 TAsn: and cod4 before homework = no homework ;p Nov 16 19:43:24 <[Rui]> hey! Nov 16 19:45:26 <[Rui]> how binary compatible is arm6 with arm4? Nov 16 19:49:19 * spaetz dances a release dance to invoke releases... Nov 16 19:50:35 mrmoku, cant we just remove those recipes and post a list of broken packages to oe-devel Nov 16 19:50:54 hmm Nov 16 19:50:59 ~lart qi Nov 16 19:50:59 * apt offers qi some herring Nov 16 19:51:09 can't get it to boot from my SD Nov 16 19:51:11 the ghosts of all past and future missed releases mess up spaetz' home while howling and screaming, then vanish to /dev/null Nov 16 19:51:15 what could be wrong? Nov 16 19:51:24 partition is p1 Nov 16 19:51:26 ext2 Nov 16 19:51:28 hehe Nov 16 19:51:35 /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin present Nov 16 19:51:59 mickey|bbl, does it ssymlink to an existing file? Nov 16 19:52:25 i moved it to be an actual file Nov 16 19:52:57 vibrator emits one pulse Nov 16 19:52:57 but that doesn't actually help me in finding the cause Nov 16 19:53:19 mickey|sofa: if it's easy for you use serial console to see the Qi output. Nov 16 19:53:32 didn't use my debug board since ages Nov 16 19:53:38 * DocScrutinizer-8 praises the uncountable benefits of qi Nov 16 19:53:45 mickey|sofa: probably just your uSD is loose, i assume you have no sim inserted? Nov 16 19:53:52 no, SIM is inserted Nov 16 19:54:53 always wants to boot from NAND :/ Nov 16 19:54:59 So, primary ext2 partition, with /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin and no /boot/noboot-blablabla and supported uSD should just work... Nov 16 19:55:01 grr Nov 16 19:55:07 yeah Nov 16 19:55:15 should Nov 16 19:55:42 mickey|sofa: is it the card that worked with Qi before? Nov 16 19:55:51 no Nov 16 19:56:02 first time using it Nov 16 19:56:32 Hm, that might be the case of "unsupported SD" then. Nov 16 19:56:38 either that or my build is bogus Nov 16 19:56:47 Qi was never as smart as linux glamo-mci driver. Nov 16 19:56:49 do you have a known good qi build somewhere? Nov 16 19:57:25 I think the one from downloads.openmoko.org experimental was good. Nov 16 19:57:56 But if your build just uses the latest Qi and works in principle (vibration proofs that), it should work as well. Nov 16 19:58:02 * DocScrutinizer-8 never stops to wonder ehy anybody wants to mess with qi Nov 16 19:59:01 spaetz: yeah, either remove them... or revert them back to SRCREV in our tree Nov 16 19:59:14 i really hate pressing my power button so long Nov 16 19:59:26 that alone makes qi worthwhile for me :) Nov 16 19:59:33 mrmoku, just kick them out Nov 16 19:59:38 i could probably patch u-boot... Nov 16 20:00:34 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rca75875daab6 10/msmcommd/src/msmcommd.c: fsodeviced: change read/write time schedule time Nov 16 20:00:50 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rca75875daab6 10/msmcommd/src/msmcommd.c: fsodeviced: change read/write time schedule time Nov 16 20:00:59 fsodeviced? Nov 16 20:01:18 hehe Nov 16 20:01:25 habits... Nov 16 20:02:14 mickey|bbl: I'd guess tweaking the delay time value in uBoot is less effort and trouble than the one you already faced with qi right now Nov 16 20:02:33 DocScrutinizer-8: hehe, ya, perhaps Nov 16 20:04:09 hmm Nov 16 20:04:16 * mickey|sofa wonders why there are current builds on openmoko.org Nov 16 20:04:33 must be some forgotten machine somewhere :) Nov 16 20:04:45 cron? Nov 16 20:04:52 possible Nov 16 20:04:58 http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/daily/om-gta02/20091116/ Nov 16 20:05:11 LOOL Nov 16 20:05:36 or it's just copied from a template somewhere Nov 16 20:05:37 hehe Nov 16 20:05:38 * DocScrutinizer-8 summons roh Nov 16 20:05:40 wouldn't surprise me Nov 16 20:06:11 roh: ping ^ Nov 16 20:09:09 lol what are thos build from openmoko???!¿× Nov 16 20:21:46 mrmoku: whats now? Nov 16 20:22:46 jc is back and drunk so won't probably go into software architecture talks ^^ Nov 16 20:23:00 stupid tech support Nov 16 20:23:20 sorry I just disappeared before.. Nov 16 20:28:06 JaMa: I removed all non-parsing recipes on the buildhost... and I am building an image Nov 16 20:28:22 JaMa: probably we will not care about upgradeability for unstable Nov 16 20:28:38 so whatever will come... we have to solve it until testing Nov 16 20:29:16 JaMa: what do you think Nov 16 20:29:22 enabling that option will be upgradeable and before testing we should be near oe.dev :) Nov 16 20:29:37 JaMa: btw. http://shr.pastebin.com/m31b12b7c is the failing ones Nov 16 20:29:47 mrmoku: I expect another reflash after finall oe.dev merge Nov 16 20:29:54 yup Nov 16 20:29:55 * mrmoku too Nov 16 20:30:00 mrmoku: would be great to have testing image in that time Nov 16 20:30:50 mrmoku: to offer users 2 alternatives.. newer unstable reflashed and unstable, or similar testing which should stay upgradable "forever".. Nov 16 20:31:24 mrmoku: but if things go right with srcpv and xorg-7.5 than maybe we can stay without reflash.. Nov 16 20:32:40 JaMa: we'll see... for now I will just have to be happy when we get that damn unstable image done :P Nov 16 20:33:15 yeah... Nov 16 20:33:32 * JaMa already feels sorry for SRCPV change.. which looked easy and fast before.. Nov 16 20:33:41 :) Nov 16 20:33:46 hehe don't feel sorry Nov 16 20:34:05 you did good work Nov 16 20:34:18 but better to have fixed revisions now than reflash users when shr-testing needs to fix revs .. Nov 16 20:35:12 yup, for unstable we can do that... for testing we always promissed to not do that Nov 16 20:37:06 * JaMa watching test of his dream car bmw 5gt... Nov 16 20:38:37 * mrmoku watching buildhost running do_rootfs for his dream distro shr-u :P Nov 16 20:40:07 :) Nov 16 20:40:50 <[Rui]> shr-today has to be done in another way Nov 16 20:41:04 <[Rui]> even using AUX isn't quick enough Nov 16 20:41:16 <[Rui]> specially when shr-today decides to take it's own time Nov 16 20:41:54 [Rui]: work to integrate shr-today into our new libphone-ui-shr is already on the way Nov 16 20:42:08 <[Rui]> great! Nov 16 20:45:02 * DocScrutinizer-8 wonders how many times he needs to watch "12 Monkeys" again, until it starts to get boring Nov 16 20:46:22 DocScrutinizer-8, whats that? XD /me fuels OT discussion XD Nov 16 20:47:21 shr-today is python, right? Nov 16 20:47:27 currently Nov 16 20:47:35 haha 'currently' Nov 16 20:48:05 python really is a blueprint language XD Nov 16 20:48:28 spaetz: yup Nov 16 20:49:12 then integraton with libphone-ui should give it a nice boost.... good Nov 16 20:50:14 yes :) Nov 16 20:50:29 cz_jc, not if your box is powerful enough, but on a FR it´s a bit much. Nov 16 20:51:36 * mrmoku once again is booting a new image :) Nov 16 20:52:38 spaetz, some custom apps with sqlalchemy ORM and glade interface were actually pretty simple to write and sleek :) Nov 16 20:52:54 (on the FR) Nov 16 20:53:23 spaetz, I bet 99% of those stupid iphone apps could have been written this way instead XD Nov 16 20:53:54 but I had some draw program in python and pygame and this is where it starts to suck.. even with a simpe thing like this :/ Nov 16 20:58:15 sicu, only now starting to do h.w, so you were right :) Nov 16 20:58:24 and I'm playing cod4 on the Wii, which is new. Nov 16 20:59:05 food and then study :) Nov 16 21:13:02 cz_jc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Monkeys Nov 16 21:14:31 willis again ? Nov 16 21:15:02 mrmoku: that new screen lock is quite nice :) Nov 16 21:17:32 pwgen: maybe that's part of the appeal, but basically I'm a terry gilliam adict Nov 16 21:17:45 DocScrutinizer-8: fyi i have Chris Marker - La Jet_e.(1963).Eng.srt and the corresponding avi. For whatever reason i've not watched it yet. Nov 16 21:18:43 beniwtv: yep, no that Slyon entered you should tell him :) Nov 16 21:18:49 s/no/now/ Nov 16 21:18:49 mrmoku meant: beniwtv: yep, now that Slyon entered you should tell him :) Nov 16 21:18:51 mrmoku, how's the new image? (you just booted) Nov 16 21:19:08 TAsn: do your h.w ;) Nov 16 21:19:15 Slyon, how's shr-today to libphone-ui-shr is doing? :) Nov 16 21:19:17 TAsn: segv is fixed Nov 16 21:19:18 mrmoku, shh. Nov 16 21:19:26 mrmoku, just a matter of bad rev? Nov 16 21:19:30 though sticky power is annoying Nov 16 21:19:31 mrmoku, sticky power is still sticky though? Nov 16 21:19:33 yeah bad rev Nov 16 21:19:34 :| Nov 16 21:19:40 other than that everything is colo? Nov 16 21:19:43 cool* Nov 16 21:19:49 TAsn: did not test much yet Nov 16 21:20:05 mrmoku: the only problem I found so far the ring tone is very low Nov 16 21:20:06 TAsn: well, i'm messing arround with, how a linker and librarys work :) Nov 16 21:20:13 Slyon, :) Nov 16 21:20:17 don't be afraid to ask. Nov 16 21:20:42 TAsn: yep, just read some pages in a c++ book about this topic Nov 16 21:20:45 Slyon: also, the screen lock is quite nice. Good job! Nov 16 21:21:22 beniwtv: when it's implemented in libphone-ui-shr and written in C its even nicer ;) Nov 16 21:21:32 Slyon, btw, please use pure C, don't add cpp (although you can, I want that for consistency libphone-ui-shr will b c only) Nov 16 21:21:41 Slyon: agree :) Nov 16 21:22:03 TAsn: yes, sure. i just read about the theroy of librarys and linkers ;) Nov 16 21:22:14 was just making sure ;] Nov 16 21:22:18 k Nov 16 21:22:31 Slyon, anyhow, I'm anxiously waiting to see what you get :) Nov 16 21:22:40 I hope you know how to work with gnu-autotools Nov 16 21:22:47 TAsn: we should make sure instead that we get everything in place for Slyon to actually be able to implement it :) Nov 16 21:23:09 mrmoku, :) Nov 16 21:23:10 TAsn: never used autotools before... so the makefiles are little confusing to me Nov 16 21:23:15 it's an easy task Nov 16 21:23:22 Slyon, just edit Nov 16 21:23:28 Makefile.am in src/ Nov 16 21:23:31 add your source files Nov 16 21:23:32 that's it. Nov 16 21:23:36 okay Nov 16 21:23:37 mrmoku: in a call it's ok though Nov 16 21:23:53 mrmoku, we should just read the python source and implement what he needs Nov 16 21:23:58 or, just ask him now. ;) Nov 16 21:24:38 beniwtv: you can raise the ringtone volume in shr-settings Nov 16 21:24:50 mrmoku, no you can't. Nov 16 21:25:00 TAsn: why? Nov 16 21:25:03 it's not yet implemented in framework Nov 16 21:25:03 iirc Nov 16 21:25:11 oohh Nov 16 21:25:22 mrmoku: Seemed to have no effect here, I put it to 110 (at least in the preview player) Nov 16 21:25:23 yeah. Nov 16 21:25:37 beniwtv, you'll have to edit Nov 16 21:25:49 /usr/share/shr/scenarii/stereoout.state Nov 16 21:25:50 manually Nov 16 21:25:52 ... :| Nov 16 21:26:12 mrmoku: Also, the what's the "silent" slider for on the active call screen? Seemed to have no effect here Nov 16 21:26:28 beniwtv, not yet mapped. Nov 16 21:26:47 TAsn: yeah, that's what I thought, maybe the states are not finished yet Nov 16 21:26:49 beniwtv: yup not yet mapped Nov 16 21:26:56 ~lart ARTE Nov 16 21:26:57 * apt beats ARTE into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy Nov 16 21:27:09 TAsn, mrmoku: ahh, that explains it :) Nov 16 21:27:35 but what's it supposed to do once finished? Mute the mic? Nov 16 21:27:38 cut 5 min out for absolutely no good reason Nov 16 21:27:38 mrmoku, I'm not sure, but I think there's a way to mute an alsa control without modifying volume Nov 16 21:27:42 beniwtv, yeah. Nov 16 21:27:58 mrmoku, so I'll probably add a mute function to phone_utils Nov 16 21:28:00 hmm... interesting after two or three suspend/resume cycles it changed powerstate now... Nov 16 21:28:05 mute and unmute Nov 16 21:28:11 TAsn: yup, good Nov 16 21:28:17 mrmoku, and works correctly? Nov 16 21:28:35 TAsn: let me try... but I don't think so Nov 16 21:28:35 mrmoku, to me it sounds like I won't mind giving the new image a go tomorrow after work :) Nov 16 21:28:56 no does not work Nov 16 21:29:11 :| Nov 16 21:29:52 btw, mrmoku Nov 16 21:30:01 we officially dropped support for x11-16, right? Nov 16 21:30:35 TAsn: well... you can still use it.... if you don't need a phone :;P Nov 16 21:31:24 actually Nov 16 21:31:25 I think the new theme is quicker... at least it feels so Nov 16 21:31:30 from what I have heard Nov 16 21:31:33 beniwtv, it is. Nov 16 21:31:44 mrmoku, it does suspend Nov 16 21:31:52 if you power it up unplugged Nov 16 21:32:00 yup Nov 16 21:32:06 so it is usable as a phone Nov 16 21:32:09 and will continue to suspend if I plug Nov 16 21:32:13 less usable as a hacking device Nov 16 21:32:14 But I don't object to the speed anyway. I've seen new phones muuuch slower than a FR Nov 16 21:32:15 mrmoku, exactly. Nov 16 21:32:31 TAsn: my comment was about x11-16 though :P Nov 16 21:32:40 mrmoku, oh. :) Nov 16 21:33:04 we should *really* Nov 16 21:33:08 get a new Nov 16 21:33:16 desktop app Nov 16 21:33:22 I really like android's desktop app Nov 16 21:35:23 is there a gui chess game for the fr? Nov 16 21:35:38 * DocScrutinizer-8 wonders why fsckng TV-stations dare to cut scenes out of movies, just to match their time frame. Rather than simply increaing framerate by a few percent to squeeze out that terribly needed 5min less on a 130min movie Nov 16 21:35:46 TAsn: but we should keep Illume and the arrows for window changing, I think. I hate when you need to close an app just to get back to the desktop :/ Nov 16 21:35:49 TAsn: all debian chess programs run on FR Nov 16 21:35:59 lindi-, cool :) Nov 16 21:36:16 beniwtv, desktop app = the background Nov 16 21:36:20 I'm not talking about the illume bar Nov 16 21:36:26 which is awesome (a bit big, but awesome) Nov 16 21:37:01 TAsn: oh, ok, then I agree. We need something better than icons in a grid... Nov 16 21:37:20 beniwtv, do you know android's desktop app? Nov 16 21:38:19 TAsn: yes, although I haven't used android much. I just can't get myself to use something without a proper shell :P Nov 16 21:38:27 (even if it's only a mobile phone) Nov 16 21:38:37 beniwtv, couldn't agree more :) Nov 16 21:38:56 it's just that my brother bought an android phone, so I used it a bit just to see "how they do it" Nov 16 21:39:09 and we have things to learn from them. Nov 16 21:39:22 I removed it quite fast from the FR when I had it Nov 16 21:39:29 since I couldn't bear the "closeness" Nov 16 21:41:05 mrmoku, adding contact from phonelog, works? Nov 16 21:41:29 TAsn: me too... not because of the "closeness", but I feel they just threw away userland stuff we have been using and has been standard for years now. Basically I felt it was Linux + closed GUI Nov 16 21:41:33 TAsn: if you tell me how to test... I will test :P Nov 16 21:41:45 mrmoku, easy Nov 16 21:41:49 open pyphonelog Nov 16 21:41:51 oh Nov 16 21:41:54 :) Nov 16 21:41:56 you have that marking bug? Nov 16 21:41:58 :| Nov 16 21:42:03 yup Nov 16 21:42:05 sucks :| Nov 16 21:42:09 I wonder, can you scroll? Nov 16 21:42:23 maybe it's a eglibc vs glibc issue? Nov 16 21:42:33 TAsn: where can I test gtk scrolling? Nov 16 21:42:43 finger scrolling? Nov 16 21:42:47 just there Nov 16 21:42:51 it's using libmokoui2 Nov 16 21:42:58 that's not used by nothing I guess. Nov 16 21:43:03 TAsn: well... I just installed... my phonelog is empty :) Nov 16 21:43:11 ffs. :| Nov 16 21:43:14 call yourself from home :) Nov 16 21:43:33 I did that Nov 16 21:43:36 have one entry Nov 16 21:43:41 not enough to scroll :P Nov 16 21:43:45 and selecting does not work :| Nov 16 21:43:51 at all? Nov 16 21:43:55 :| Nov 16 21:44:31 mrmoku, call yourself from home 20 times? :) Nov 16 21:44:40 TAsn: it won't group them? Nov 16 21:44:43 * Weiss has been pondering how to make GTK crawl less Nov 16 21:44:58 mrmoku, it will Nov 16 21:45:00 but you can expand Nov 16 21:45:18 Weiss, when you know, please let us know ;] Nov 16 21:45:27 mrmoku, and when you'll expand you'll be able to scroll Nov 16 21:45:33 (expand = click that small arrow) Nov 16 21:45:45 which does not work either? Nov 16 21:45:55 * mrmoku switches ringtone off and starts to call himself... Nov 16 21:46:09 ffs :( Nov 16 21:46:12 btw, just tested Nov 16 21:46:18 turning gsm ant off Nov 16 21:46:20 and then on Nov 16 21:46:23 actually works ;) Nov 16 21:46:26 never worked before. ;) Nov 16 21:46:38 :) Nov 16 21:46:53 :) Nov 16 21:47:08 it's very important for me Nov 16 21:47:18 as I go to places without reception quite often Nov 16 21:47:18 The speed it wakes up from suspend is quite impressive O_0 Nov 16 21:47:33 beniwtv, a bit slower than my brother's android Nov 16 21:47:36 which is reasonable Nov 16 21:47:36 :) Nov 16 21:47:52 and I think it's the same time as the iphone Nov 16 21:47:56 TAsn: yeah triangle does not work :( Nov 16 21:47:59 it's just that they have nice animation Nov 16 21:48:03 mrmoku, sucks ;| Nov 16 21:48:16 I really think it's a libc vs eglibc issue Nov 16 21:48:18 mind checking? Nov 16 21:48:27 how? Nov 16 21:48:32 (installing one and removing the other, and the restarting pyphonelog) Nov 16 21:48:39 TAsn: rewrite it with elementary :P Nov 16 21:48:44 Heinervdm, we should Nov 16 21:48:47 we will Nov 16 21:48:59 it's just that we want gtk to work anyhow Nov 16 21:49:00 :) Nov 16 21:49:05 :) Nov 16 21:49:18 TAsn: still, the overall speed I think is very reasonable. My Blackberry at work is not that quick :-/ Nov 16 21:49:32 (except maybe scrolling) Nov 16 21:49:34 beniwtv, after we'll make all the phone apps blazing fast Nov 16 21:49:39 (cache everything) Nov 16 21:50:01 (will of course be configurable, and maybe in time will act according to free ram) Nov 16 21:50:15 s/act/change/ Nov 16 21:50:15 TAsn meant: (will of course be configurable, and maybe in time will change according to free ram) Nov 16 21:50:25 damn this test! Nov 16 21:50:29 TAsn: one thing I notice... Nov 16 21:50:32 I have many cool stuff i'd like to dev :| Nov 16 21:50:34 mrmoku, ? Nov 16 21:50:38 If I tap somewhere on the list Nov 16 21:50:41 on a number Nov 16 21:50:51 and then tap on one of the toolbar buttons to switch view Nov 16 21:50:56 it swallows one tap Nov 16 21:51:10 O_o Nov 16 21:51:27 are you sure it's not pyphonelog's bad interface design? Nov 16 21:51:33 don't know if I expressed my self clearly enogh? Nov 16 21:51:35 (i.e being REALLY slow and unresponsive) Nov 16 21:51:39 TAsn: Anyway, on the contact list I see these "Alien"-like thingies, will that be configurable to put my contact's images? That would be nice... Nov 16 21:51:45 well just taping the buttons works with every tap Nov 16 21:51:49 beniwtv, it is. Nov 16 21:51:51 (and waiting a little :P) Nov 16 21:51:55 mrmoku, i c. Nov 16 21:52:06 mrmoku, is it Image or Picture Nov 16 21:52:07 ? Nov 16 21:52:13 Foto Nov 16 21:52:17 err Nov 16 21:52:18 Photo Nov 16 21:52:19 Photo? Nov 16 21:52:20 :) Nov 16 21:52:38 mrmoku, and what's the format? just full path, right? no uri Nov 16 21:52:43 yup Nov 16 21:52:54 beniwtv, here ya go ^ Nov 16 21:52:56 beniwtv: just add a new field named Photo with the full path to your photo Nov 16 21:53:01 go to shr contacts Nov 16 21:53:05 exactly. ;) Nov 16 21:53:10 mrmoku: where is DEFAULT_THEME (libphone-ui-shr's edj file) defined? Nov 16 21:53:24 mrmoku: Nice! Thanks :) Nov 16 21:53:27 Slyon, grep for it. Nov 16 21:53:28 :) Nov 16 21:53:44 Slyon: views.h.in IIRC Nov 16 21:54:20 mrmoku: ah, here we go :) thanks Nov 16 21:54:21 mrmoku, which is also mostly bad btw Nov 16 21:54:24 I really really hate Nov 16 21:54:26 views.h :) Nov 16 21:55:17 TAsn: calls will be aggregated Nov 16 21:55:28 DocScrutinizer-8, ? Nov 16 21:56:03 oops, terribly late - backscroll delocation Nov 16 21:56:49 DocScrutinizer-8: yeah irssi sticks to PageUp even when switching channels :) (fortunatelly) Nov 16 21:56:55 mrmoku, we should probably make Nov 16 21:57:01 ~/pictures/ Nov 16 21:57:04 the default place to look in Nov 16 21:57:10 if a full path is not chosen Nov 16 21:57:23 TAsn: I proposed something like that... you we're for just ~ Nov 16 21:57:29 s/we're/were/ Nov 16 21:57:30 mrmoku meant: TAsn: I proposed something like that... you were for just ~ Nov 16 21:57:44 TAsn: we might even be able to find the picture by contact name automatically Nov 16 21:57:48 mrmoku, really? Nov 16 21:57:53 TAsn: we should just make it configurable... the base path for photos Nov 16 21:57:53 TAsn: mrmoku: whats the difference between views.h and views.h.in ? Nov 16 21:58:04 mrmoku, probably Nov 16 21:58:07 Slyon: views.h gets autogenerated by autofoo magic Nov 16 21:58:10 mrmoku: TAsn: was about 20 calls to fill list Nov 16 21:58:11 beniwtv, we can suggest, not set. Nov 16 21:58:18 mr ah ok Nov 16 21:58:21 mrmoku: ^ Nov 16 21:58:34 :) Nov 16 21:58:46 finally Nov 16 21:58:50 I'm going to study a bit Nov 16 21:58:53 (already 24:00 Nov 16 21:58:54 ) Nov 16 21:58:55 ciao. Nov 16 21:59:03 cu Nov 16 21:59:06 bye Nov 16 21:59:09 cya Nov 16 21:59:11 TAsn: will pay off better Nov 16 21:59:23 good luck Nov 16 21:59:26 I'm off too (I work early tomorrow) Nov 16 21:59:30 cya all Nov 16 22:00:52 before I go. Nov 16 22:01:06 mrmoku, if you can, try out glibc instead. Nov 16 22:01:08 night again. Nov 16 22:01:20 TAsn: don't think that will be that easy Nov 16 22:01:51 They are supposed to be binary compatible Nov 16 22:01:53 iirc Nov 16 22:02:01 so it should be pretty easy, just give it a go Nov 16 22:02:06 worst case, no harm done. Nov 16 22:02:20 TAsn, linux with glibc on FR works Nov 16 22:02:34 wtf is that topic??? "" ADMIN: all services OK "" Nov 16 22:02:36 TAsn, I use it pretty much from the start on my Gentoo system Nov 16 22:03:05 cz_jc: we had glibc in SHR up to short time ago... Nov 16 22:03:07 mrmoku: is make clean in libphone-ui-shr expected to delete data/default.edc? Nov 16 22:03:10 we just switched to eglibc Nov 16 22:03:19 Slyon: no Nov 16 22:03:24 Slyon: default.edj Nov 16 22:03:25 lol. Nov 16 22:03:26 :) Nov 16 22:03:27 DocScrutinizer, Nov 16 22:03:29 night. Nov 16 22:03:45 mrmoku, is it any better? :) Nov 16 22:03:45 mrmoku: then you should probably change it, as it deletes default.edc on each make clean Nov 16 22:04:06 Slyon: ohh ouch :) Nov 16 22:04:10 mrmoku, I mean glibc probably is bloated but FR has plenty memory to handle that and using GUI-less system with server is totally responsive on FR Nov 16 22:04:20 mrmoku: line 433 in data/Makefile Nov 16 22:04:28 Slyon: thanks Nov 16 22:04:31 will fix Nov 16 22:04:35 nice Nov 16 22:04:49 cz_jc: well... I think there are some reasons for the switch Nov 16 22:05:06 of which one is more embedded friendly upstream :) Nov 16 22:05:08 TAsn: STUDY!!! Nov 16 22:05:22 mrmoku, haha Nov 16 22:05:27 /kick TAsn Nov 16 22:05:38 mrmoku, maybe a good point, I heard something about glibc devs Nov 16 22:05:53 uclibc is reaaally nice except missing some calls Nov 16 22:06:00 but for Gentoo glibc 'just works' out of the box.. Nov 16 22:06:14 mrmoku: well actually line 9 in data/Makefile.am as Makefile seems to be autofoo magic again Nov 16 22:06:31 Slyon: yup, already fixed Nov 16 22:06:35 thanks Nov 16 22:06:47 it was a relict from the short period where default.edc was generated :) Nov 16 22:06:58 mrmoku: i c Nov 16 22:07:35 here you go Nov 16 22:07:41 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * rab233517964f 10/data/Makefile.am: data/Makefile.am: do NOT clean default.edc as it is not generated anymore Nov 16 22:08:10 mrmoku: fixed it by myself already :) Nov 16 22:08:53 Slyon: as soon as you want to commit just mail me your pubkey Nov 16 22:10:52 mrmoku: okay, but i only created the files and did some copy and paste from phoneui-dialer yet.. so it will probably take some time Nov 16 22:11:03 it compiles now at least Nov 16 22:11:08 Slyon: ok :) Nov 16 22:19:07 JaMa: would be interested to know if my new "kms-tests" branch fixes resume for you Nov 16 22:19:11 http://git.bitwiz.org.uk/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/kms-tests Nov 16 22:27:53 could anyone tell me why bitbake tries to download _every_ kernel source? Nov 16 23:02:33 wasn't very productive Nov 16 23:02:38 it's 1:00 am after all... :) Nov 16 23:02:42 but still, studied a bit Nov 16 23:02:43 night. Nov 16 23:16:05 <[Rui]> TAsn: study! Nov 16 23:16:09 <[Rui]> TAsn: good night :) Nov 17 00:23:02 TAsn, dos1, mrmoku|away phoneui-message Nov 17 00:23:15 doesn't handle [SIGNAL] org.freesmartphone.PIM.Message.MessageDeleted from :1.14 /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Messages/2 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 17 02:59:56 2009