**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 05 02:59:57 2009 Dec 05 03:01:19 how do i manipulate what it shows ? Dec 05 03:01:39 it must be an illume setting Dec 05 03:03:29 i can't find sortdesk installed... Dec 05 03:04:47 on opkg.org theres a button "click here to install" OWTTE Dec 05 03:05:20 PROLLY "OPKG INSTALL SORTDESK" Dec 05 03:05:25 oops Dec 05 03:05:32 capslck Dec 05 03:05:40 what do you think i am wanting to do ? Dec 05 03:08:02 no faintest clue Dec 05 03:09:30 but I know what the bartender wants me to do now ;-P Dec 05 03:10:04 did you look at the link i provided to the screenshot ? i want to either get rid of the text boxes at the bottom of the screen, or edit them Dec 05 03:10:40 I thought you planned to edit them Dec 05 03:11:42 to start dialer, contacts, and sth weird I forgot Dec 05 03:11:48 yes, but do you understand that i'm not wanting to edit the text beneath icons, but edit something that sits on the icon screen ? Dec 05 03:12:23 no Dec 05 03:12:46 that statement is beyond my mind atm Dec 05 03:13:04 oh. :) Dec 05 03:13:51 well, if you want to look at the screenshot image, you should be able to see what i am talking about at the bottom. if not, that is ok. it sounds like you are out somewhere having fun. :) Dec 05 03:14:41 :-) yep Dec 05 03:20:50 i think you are right. i think it is sortdesk after all. thank you. :-) Dec 05 03:32:10 finally Dec 05 03:32:15 yw Dec 05 03:32:50 fun finished Dec 05 03:36:38 i was able to edit .desktop entries in /usr/share/applications/ and take out "Bar;" from the Categories. :) Dec 05 09:01:14 <_ant_> Is it my imagination or graphical performance in landscape mode is really better when using latest andy-tracking kernel with glamo-lcd-FIFO patch? Dec 05 09:04:39 _ant_: the patch is supposed to help, isn't it. Dec 05 09:05:46 <_ant_> PaulFertser: sure) Dec 05 09:06:59 who uploaded the last screenshot on scap? Dec 05 09:12:38 moin Dec 05 09:13:34 moin Dec 05 09:19:40 _ant_: yes.. the FIFO patch doubles the raw speed of accelerated operations Dec 05 09:20:38 Weiss, and it seems pretty safe to me. my sd card survived so far... Dec 05 09:21:12 good :) Dec 05 09:21:47 yeah.. I haven't heard anything to suggest otherwise, and there's no reason there should be a problem (if anything, it should make things more stable), but you can't be too careful.. Dec 05 09:23:51 is there any way to automagically disable and enable keyboard on e before and after rotate the screen? Dec 05 09:25:26 <_ant_> Weiss: great. Maybe we also able now to watch movies at 24FPS using mplayer-glamo? :D Dec 05 09:25:26 <_ant_> Did anyone tried that? Dec 05 09:27:02 _ant_: noone's tried so far, I think, but it should be faster. see comments at http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/s/2009/11/internal-memory-bottlenecks-and-their-removal.html Dec 05 09:27:14 andi: for that somebody should first rewrite mplayer-glamo i think Dec 05 09:29:38 ideally. I really don't understand why -vo glamo works at all when the X server is also trying to do accelerated operations Dec 05 09:30:26 http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/04/2327204/Why-Open-Source-Phones-Still-Fail?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 Dec 05 09:30:35 mrmoku, ATTACK! Dec 05 09:30:36 :P Dec 05 09:30:42 reworking -vo glamo needn't be such a huge task, though Dec 05 09:32:08 those suckers haven´t tried shr :-) Dec 05 09:34:02 i prefer gstreamer support for glamo. anyone working on it? Dec 05 09:36:00 not that I've heard.. Dec 05 09:40:09 i'm reading the mplayer code, but i neither wrote an gstreamer plugin nor sth that is related to glamo Dec 05 09:40:58 only a handful of people have. that shouldn't be a barrier :) Dec 05 09:43:20 JaMa, ping Dec 05 09:47:14 TAsn: LOL Dec 05 09:47:25 /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/wizard/linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-svn-04/ Dec 05 09:47:25 /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/wizard/linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-svn-05/ Dec 05 09:47:30 :P Dec 05 09:47:54 * mrmoku was wondering why there is still now shr-wizard ;) Dec 05 09:48:42 mrmoku, /me fucking hates e17 :P Dec 05 09:48:52 wth is wrong with them and this ugly piece of crap? :P Dec 05 09:49:18 sec, will fix the autotools thingie. Dec 05 09:50:09 done :P Dec 05 09:50:19 so I guess you have to rebuild the image :P Dec 05 09:50:20 moving the page let's the wizard pop up :D Dec 05 09:50:23 SHR: 03tom 07shr-wizard * r03bea448c50d 10/src/Makefile.am: updated the e17 release version, ffs Dec 05 09:50:29 mrmoku, I know. Dec 05 09:50:47 please rebuild the image. Dec 05 09:50:53 I'm going to open a bug in the e17 trac Dec 05 09:51:02 saying that they suck Dec 05 09:51:04 and should all die. Dec 05 09:51:36 I'm not kidding. Dec 05 09:52:59 TAsn: :P Dec 05 09:53:13 TAsn: before building the new image... I will split the keyboards Dec 05 09:53:29 and even before doing that... I'm going downstairs to sort Legos ;) Dec 05 09:53:32 YAY :P Dec 05 09:53:37 mrmoku, ok Dec 05 09:53:42 so I'm going out surfing. Dec 05 09:53:42 ciao. Dec 05 09:53:45 ohh Dec 05 09:53:50 have fun then :) Dec 05 09:53:54 (after I open the ticket) Dec 05 09:53:59 :) Dec 05 09:54:04 later then Dec 05 09:58:09 morning guys! Dec 05 09:58:31 who can tell me what package contains the install command? Dec 05 10:00:32 mrmoku|away, http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/474 Dec 05 10:00:40 Q-Master, morning and ciao. Dec 05 10:06:04 Q-Master, coreutils Dec 05 10:11:45 playya_: thnx. I've already found Dec 05 10:12:29 Q-Master, in general, next time you want to what what package provides a file Dec 05 10:12:30 just Dec 05 10:12:38 opkg search /bin/install Dec 05 10:12:55 too long to wait. 8) Dec 05 10:13:02 asking is simplier. 8) Dec 05 10:13:05 nah, it's quite fast. Dec 05 10:13:09 it's actually faster than asking. Dec 05 10:13:13 on Neo? Dec 05 10:13:16 yes. Dec 05 10:14:34 it's ~1 sec. Dec 05 10:14:36 TAsn: that command gives nothing in output Dec 05 10:14:39 yeah :| Dec 05 10:14:40 weird. Dec 05 10:14:43 used to work. Dec 05 10:14:49 maybe it's only for existing files? :| Dec 05 10:14:54 root@om-gta02 ~/Projects/fbreader-0.10.7 $ opkg search /usr/bin/install Dec 05 10:14:54 root@om-gta02 ~/Projects/fbreader-0.10.7 $ Dec 05 10:14:54 I thoguht not. Dec 05 10:14:55 :| Dec 05 10:15:15 this file now exist Dec 05 10:15:21 root@om-gta02 ~/Projects/fbreader-0.10.7 $ which install Dec 05 10:15:22 /usr/bin/install Dec 05 10:15:22 $ time opkg search /usr/bin/midori Dec 05 10:15:22 midori - 1:0.2.1-r1.4 Dec 05 10:15:22 real 0m 1.86s Dec 05 10:15:22 user 0m 0.86s Dec 05 10:15:22 sys 0m 0.99s Dec 05 10:15:33 weird. Dec 05 10:15:37 well, opkg is buggy then :P Dec 05 10:15:50 or, more likely that install is a symbolic link Dec 05 10:16:02 though probably not. Dec 05 10:16:14 (symbolic link created in the postinst) Dec 05 10:16:27 anyhow, I'm off, waiting for a friend to pick me up to go surfing. Dec 05 10:22:25 hey, there are two sliders for volume and mic on an aktive call Dec 05 10:22:44 but they will not save there value Dec 05 10:23:01 -there +theyre Dec 05 10:23:16 ITYM "their" Dec 05 10:23:57 ah so it called, sorry xD Dec 05 10:24:40 those errors get all too common, even under native speakers... even Brits, not only 'merkins Dec 05 10:26:00 ah good :) Dec 05 10:27:57 "there", "their" and "they're" are pronounced the same, and more and more people seem to just pick one of them Dec 05 10:28:33 my english teacher would go crazy Dec 05 10:28:53 i think soo too ^^ Dec 05 10:28:53 "they're there in their house" Dec 05 10:29:15 ow awesome sentence xD Dec 05 10:29:55 :) Dec 05 10:37:30 Is it possible to get the current shr-today to display batt percentage instead of the icon (old shr-today could ...) Dec 05 10:50:25 Weiss: der dern der hoz ? :) Dec 05 10:51:06 Weiss: if you have to simplify, do it with gusto ;-) Dec 05 11:20:16 SHR: 03mok 07illume-keyboards * reb299bfc9819 10/Makefile: add a nifty Makefile to do the install Dec 05 11:58:31 SHR: 03mok 07illume-keyboards * rc23bde500152 10/Makefile: Makefile: add empty all rule Dec 05 12:29:48 anyone knows how to move an article to a differen page in a mediawiki? Dec 05 12:54:45 TAsn: ping Dec 05 12:54:53 TAsn: i have feature request for you and mrmoku|away :P Dec 05 13:01:05 i just flashed shr. whats the new default root password? Dec 05 13:01:47 playya_: blank Dec 05 13:01:48 empty Dec 05 13:02:02 nope Dec 05 13:02:20 playya_: it is, just openssh is configured to not accept blank passwords Dec 05 13:02:28 sucks Dec 05 13:02:32 playya_: type "passwd" in vala-terminal, setup pass and use it in ssh Dec 05 13:02:37 playya_: or use public key Dec 05 13:02:44 hahahaha Dec 05 13:03:05 I stuck in the first run wizard Dec 05 13:03:11 or install shr-wizard, it allows you to change pass from gui :P Dec 05 13:03:13 shr-wizard should be in images ;/ Dec 05 13:03:20 because i can't configure my touchscreen Dec 05 13:03:23 (if it's not by default) Dec 05 13:05:26 i don't have access to vala-term or anything else. i cannot select the theme Dec 05 13:05:55 what did you do? :x Dec 05 13:06:03 touchscreen should work by default Dec 05 13:06:11 i don't know Dec 05 13:06:31 it works without evdev and your S89x script :P Dec 05 13:06:51 guys I've a special question for you Dec 05 13:07:13 there is a way to enable/disable the keyboard other than the illume wrench->keyboard ? Dec 05 13:07:29 dos1, would it be possible to preselect a theme? Dec 05 13:07:57 johnnymnemonic: probably by some enlightenment_remote, but i'm not sure Dec 05 13:08:09 playya_: ask TAsn, AFAIR he wanted to remove useless wizard pages Dec 05 13:08:17 dos1: where can I find some docs, if any ? Dec 05 13:08:30 johnnymnemonic: at enlightenment site?... Dec 05 13:09:07 thanks but, nothing specifically for the fr ? Dec 05 13:09:52 nothing Dec 05 13:11:03 wow! it doesn't work: "-sh: enlightenment_remote: not found" Dec 05 13:11:39 and yes, it's in the system Dec 05 13:28:34 dos1, I already removed. Dec 05 13:29:30 dos1, I'm here. Dec 05 13:29:30 brb, quick shower. Dec 05 13:29:30 dos1, be here :P Dec 05 13:30:07 TAsn: ok, i'm writing prototype of my request in python - then i'll want you to rewrite it in C and include in phone*d :P Dec 05 13:30:48 lol Dec 05 13:30:54 :P Dec 05 13:31:46 you have no idea how much time having types in opimd will save me... Dec 05 13:31:46 :P Dec 05 13:31:46 will let me implement whatever you want :P Dec 05 13:46:58 dos1, well? :P Dec 05 13:57:33 TAsn: ok, done Dec 05 13:59:23 TAsn: edit /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml, disable blanking screen from there Dec 05 13:59:37 TAsn: reboot, and then download http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/dimmer Dec 05 13:59:40 TAsn: and run :P Dec 05 13:59:56 dos1: and will it make his neo explode ?:P Dec 05 14:00:13 soltys: yup :P Dec 05 14:01:01 dos1, correct me if I got this wrong. Dec 05 14:01:12 but isn't that just a way to nicely dim? Dec 05 14:01:22 anyhow, gtg food. Dec 05 14:01:25 brb in a flash. Dec 05 14:01:37 yup Dec 05 14:02:03 50% at idle state, 25% at idle_dim and 0% at idle_prelock Dec 05 14:02:43 with remembering value modified by user, so it won't turn back to 100% as with default rules.yaml from FSO :P Dec 05 14:08:00 in the last step of building shr image, I get ERROR: function do_rootfs failed Dec 05 14:08:18 it says it cannot satisfy dependency eglibc-binary-localedata-en-us Dec 05 14:08:21 any hints? Dec 05 14:09:42 last lines of the relevant logfile: http://pastebin.ca/1703052 Dec 05 14:13:27 dos1, sweet. we'll do that. Dec 05 14:15:22 though we have more important things before... Dec 05 14:15:36 TAsn: new version is up Dec 05 14:15:50 TAsn: with framebuffer blanking and xscreensaver :P Dec 05 14:15:53 there is some commit i found while googling, my line with rdepends still looks like the one the committer changed Dec 05 14:15:54 http://pastebin.com/m43b06f8a Dec 05 14:15:58 new version of what? Dec 05 14:16:10 TAsn: of that python implementation :P Dec 05 14:16:14 oh, sec. Dec 05 14:16:30 TAsn: just rewrite it in C and add to phonefsod, that shouldn't take more than few minutes ;) Dec 05 14:16:55 bbl, food Dec 05 14:17:08 :P Dec 05 14:18:23 eek, bitbake recipes expect comments to be indented? Dec 05 14:18:40 that is python for you my friends Dec 05 14:20:48 yeah, saw it. Dec 05 14:20:48 hm.. please, if you can, open a ticket (task) and assign it to me. Dec 05 14:20:48 and of course, attach your code. Dec 05 14:20:48 btw, did you see the email I sent yoU? Dec 05 14:21:59 dos1, I know. but I don't have time atm. Dec 05 14:25:09 dos1: what feature request? Dec 05 14:27:37 dos1: nvm... read backlog :P Dec 05 14:32:09 hmm Dec 05 14:32:23 what would be wrong if 'import evas' segfaults with eina magic check errors? Dec 05 14:32:33 (everything built from scratch on host) Dec 05 14:38:00 mrmoku: intone, ffalarms and others fails after opkg upgrade... Dec 05 14:38:16 (due to bumped efl and changed version in sonames) Dec 05 14:42:43 SHR: 03tom 07shr-wizard * r24450cba257e 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): An attempt to fix some of the hardcoded stuff Dec 05 14:43:05 dos1: :( Dec 05 14:44:24 guys, waiting for my screen dimming implementation! :P Dec 05 14:44:39 mrmoku, anyhow, did you split the keyboards? :P Dec 05 14:44:40 mickeyl: what is the solution to EFL bump problems? manually bump PR for all recipes depending on it? Dec 05 14:44:46 btw, we should "import" the keyboards Dec 05 14:44:50 to our repo Dec 05 14:45:07 TAsn: the default ones? Dec 05 14:45:08 hmm Dec 05 14:45:15 TAsn: don't know if that is good Dec 05 14:45:36 mrmoku, shouldn't OE fing do it itself? Dec 05 14:45:52 TAsn: with my screen dimming way users will be also able to specify default screen brighness on boot Dec 05 14:45:54 TAsn: well... even if it does rebuild them... it does not change PV/PR Dec 05 14:45:59 dos1, we are waiting longer for a types implementation :P Dec 05 14:46:00 so it won't upgrade Dec 05 14:46:29 mrmoku, figures.. I'm just saying OE should probably handle that as well :| Dec 05 14:46:47 dos1, but will they be able to use types in opimd? :P Dec 05 14:46:55 TAsn: yup Dec 05 14:46:56 TAsn: not sure how it should do that though :| Dec 05 14:47:18 TAsn: because you'll make me more happy and i'll work on types more effectively then :P Dec 05 14:47:33 mrmoku, dimming? neither am I. Dec 05 14:48:00 TAsn: rebuild apps depending on EFL is what I'm talking about :P Dec 05 14:48:08 not interested in dimming right now ;) Dec 05 14:48:27 mrmoku: include EFL_SRCREV in PV? Dec 05 14:49:00 dos1: yeah, but where does that lead us? if apps have to include all PVs of libs it depends on... Dec 05 14:49:04 will be quite ugly PVs ;) Dec 05 14:49:15 hmm Dec 05 14:49:35 well, e17-way to handle sonames isn't common :P Dec 05 14:49:38 mrmoku: yes, you need to bump PR, if you want to ensure a rebuild Dec 05 14:49:43 I think we should just have a script for that Dec 05 14:50:02 to bump PR for all packages that DEPEND on e somthing Dec 05 14:50:15 dos1, although your way works, it's too lowlevel :| Dec 05 14:50:15 * TAsn wants abstraction Dec 05 14:50:15 dos1, I'll think about it tomorrow though Dec 05 14:50:15 no worries :P Dec 05 14:50:17 dos1, I think we got into a deadlock Dec 05 14:50:19 I can't go on until I get types in opimd and you can't go on until you get dim :P Dec 05 14:50:21 mickeyl: does Koen do that when he bumps EFLL ? :P Dec 05 14:50:38 TAsn: for dimming you don't need opimd at all ;> Dec 05 14:50:42 don't think so Dec 05 14:51:23 TAsn: well, there is only SetBrightness/GetBrightness, probably framebuffer blanking should be done by FSO Dec 05 14:54:18 how do you guys build python-e* for the host? Dec 05 14:54:28 the supplised build-all.sh and friends doesn't work at all for me Dec 05 14:54:34 first, it only installs eggs Dec 05 14:54:41 2nd it installs egg links that point to the build dir Dec 05 14:54:43 mickeyl: looks like you have the same problem as I :/ Dec 05 14:55:03 i had it working some months ago, but only with my custom install scripts Dec 05 14:55:09 looks like i need to recreate that work *sigh* Dec 05 14:56:27 mrmoku, same here. Dec 05 14:57:04 i get "Your storage is full. Please delete some messages or you are not going to receive any more", even though my SMSs are being stored in sqlite Dec 05 14:57:06 TAsn: ? problems with efl apps? Dec 05 14:58:19 ssam: heh, good point :P Dec 05 14:58:27 ssam: is the SIM actually full at least? Dec 05 14:59:56 mrmoku, maybe we should add some sort of hash mechanism to OE Dec 05 14:59:56 that'll hash the versions of all the dpes. Dec 05 14:59:56 deps Dec 05 14:59:56 into a X long string. Dec 05 14:59:56 X characters long string* Dec 05 14:59:58 (That's of course above what we can do atm, but something like that should be considered.) Dec 05 15:00:54 I'm trying to write an ugly hacky script now, that figures out the packages depending on it to bump PR for them Dec 05 15:01:22 mrmoku, probably, it only holds 10 Dec 05 15:01:32 mrmoku, huh? Dec 05 15:01:39 wth I'm lagging so bad. Dec 05 15:02:28 mrmoku, yeah, phone settings says sim has 10 messages Dec 05 15:03:17 ssam, that's because the first messages were probably stored on sim. Dec 05 15:03:23 you should just remove the messages from sim. Dec 05 15:03:31 TAsn: problem is the message dialog Dec 05 15:03:39 which tells him he can't receive anymore SMS Dec 05 15:03:48 which is not true... as they will go to opim Dec 05 15:03:52 can i mover them across to sqlite? Dec 05 15:04:17 ciao. Dec 05 15:11:10 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r2ac643cc273d 10/frameworkd/frameworkd-config-shr/ (3 files in 3 dirs): frameworkd-config-shr: make idle notifier defaults better for screen dimming and order options correctly in conf Dec 05 15:11:49 btw, mickeyl after the battery is charged completely it starts to discharge (while still connected) For instance it just got here to 74% after staying connected for a long time :| Dec 05 15:12:45 yep Dec 05 15:13:01 afaik that's how it's supposed to work Dec 05 15:13:25 i don't think i like that, but please refer to Paul and Doc for details Dec 05 15:13:44 * mrmoku joins the family in the LEGO sorting quest :P Dec 05 15:13:46 bbl Dec 05 15:14:54 hehe! Lego sorting... if one has kids, that's an exercise in futility, usually! Dec 05 15:16:53 ok, even with a sanitized build, python-e* seems completely broken here Dec 05 15:16:54 fun Dec 05 15:17:07 import evas.c_evas # dynamically loaded from /tmp/foo/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/evas/c_evas.so Dec 05 15:17:07 [eina_hash.c:943] eina_hash_add() *** Eina Magic Check Failed !!! Dec 05 15:17:10 *sigh* Dec 05 15:17:55 TAsn: should shr-wizard start automatically after rm -rf .e and /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart? Dec 05 15:18:30 dos1: for the records, this build script seems to work well: http://vala.pastebin.com/d1e213c91 Dec 05 15:18:36 mickeyl, talking to me? It's stupid! I know it shouldn't discharge and charge all the time, but at least start recharging at 80-85%... Dec 05 15:18:56 TAsn: i know Dec 05 15:19:05 TAsn: but the kernel devs have the saying here Dec 05 15:19:12 fso just reports what's going on Dec 05 15:19:30 dos1, yes. Dec 05 15:19:43 mickeyl, ffs :( Dec 05 15:20:00 TAsn: i can assure you that's a correct behaviour Dec 05 15:20:17 TAsn: 75% is ok, recommended by the battery vendors. Dec 05 15:20:34 dos1, but, look in /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/wizard/ Dec 05 15:20:34 if you have both pre-svn-04 and 05 Dec 05 15:20:34 that's probably your issue. Dec 05 15:20:43 TAsn: here it didn't started Dec 05 15:21:02 PaulFertser, ok, so it at least should start recharging then? Dec 05 15:21:06 dos1, ^ Dec 05 15:21:08 root@(none):~# ls /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/wizard/ Dec 05 15:21:09 e-module-wizard.edj linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-svn-01 linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-svn-05 module.desktop Dec 05 15:21:11 linux-gnueabi-arm linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-svn-04 linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-svn-02 Dec 05 15:21:16 TAsn: that doesn't look so sane ^^"" Dec 05 15:21:31 dos1, is it there in 05? Dec 05 15:21:53 TAsn: module.so page_000.so page_010.so page_020.so page_200.so Dec 05 15:22:06 TAsn: gta02 restarts charging automatically once the voltage drops below the threshold. Dec 05 15:22:17 TAsn: that's independent from the software even. Dec 05 15:23:22 TAsn: is that ok? so should i just remove other svn-* dirs? Dec 05 15:23:29 page_900 Dec 05 15:23:29 PaulFertser, because here it didn't (got to 74% or so) Dec 05 15:23:48 TAsn: page_900 is in 04 Dec 05 15:24:28 TAsn: 74% is ok, probably it should get a little lower. Dec 05 15:27:20 PaulFertser, ok. thanks. Dec 05 15:27:20 dos1, no Dec 05 15:27:20 this means you opkg upgraded Dec 05 15:27:20 to latest efl Dec 05 15:27:20 but you didn't get the new shr-wizard Dec 05 15:27:22 which reminds me Dec 05 15:27:24 please rebuild wizard :P Dec 05 15:27:28 dos1, just mv page_900.so from 04 to 05 Dec 05 15:27:30 and please verify the new package (fixed) works. Dec 05 15:27:34 Anyhow, ciao. brb. Dec 05 15:30:01 ok, python-e* works despite that error message Dec 05 15:38:47 excuse me can someone say to me which is the shr-testing? Dec 05 15:39:05 i see shr-testing/images/images/om-gta02 and shr-testing/images/om-gta02 Dec 05 15:39:08 which one? Dec 05 15:41:04 pbaxter: images/images is fresher, according to date :P Dec 05 15:41:09 pbaxter: funny thing though Dec 05 15:41:20 who maintains the stuff on shr.bearstech.com? Dec 05 15:42:24 pbaxter: ah, and full image is only in images/images Dec 05 15:43:11 spaetz: ^^^ ? Dec 05 15:43:27 md2k7: yes, but my question is: which the difference? Dec 05 15:43:59 pbaxter: after you did opkg upgrade, probably nothing Dec 05 15:44:14 ~curse bitbake Dec 05 15:44:15 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, bitbake ! Dec 05 15:44:20 md2k7: ;) Dec 05 15:44:30 apt: funny ;) Dec 05 15:44:42 still can't get shr-unstable to build Dec 05 15:44:42 md2k7: just opkg upgrade ;) Dec 05 15:44:55 eglibc-binary-localedata-en-us is missing Dec 05 15:45:04 what do you have in your local.conf, folks? Dec 05 15:45:31 it neither works with locales, nor without Dec 05 15:46:32 pbaxter: I would be delighted if I sometime had the luck to compile it Dec 05 15:46:43 pbaxter: maybe I could dig into development then Dec 05 15:49:34 md2k7: but testing or unstable? Dec 05 15:49:49 pbaxter: that depends on how brave you are :P Dec 05 15:50:14 TAsn: org.freesmartphone.Resource.NotEnabled: Resource Device is not enabled, current status is 'unknown' Dec 05 15:50:27 TAsn: you were right about probing for SIM early on boot :P Dec 05 15:50:32 but i'll fix that Dec 05 15:50:34 md2k7: just want to get a quite usable phone Dec 05 15:50:45 pbaxter: I'd say go for testing then Dec 05 15:52:59 I only have the en-gb version of eglibc-locale :-( Dec 05 15:53:06 (the .ipk) Dec 05 15:55:55 <|Fate|> whats the best browser nowadays? Dec 05 15:56:13 dillo? fennec? something else? Dec 05 15:56:52 F4t: which engine does dillo use? never heard of it Dec 05 15:57:01 no idea.... sec... Dec 05 15:57:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Browser_review#Dillo Dec 05 15:57:38 FTLK2 Dec 05 15:58:47 F4t: I thought that was a GUI toolkit :P Dec 05 15:58:57 :-/ Dec 05 15:59:00 no idea :) Dec 05 15:59:07 also theres midori... Dec 05 15:59:29 my criteria is: lightweight, and still gets updated.... Dec 05 16:00:30 * md2k7 would send out sparks if he was on enough voltage Dec 05 16:00:39 can I somehow get rid of these locale things? Dec 05 16:00:54 I just want an image, might also be without locales for the sake of it Dec 05 16:06:07 F4t: links -g FTW! Dec 05 16:06:14 (no kidding, i'm using it :P) Dec 05 16:07:02 dillo is the fastest, not in shr-u anymore :( Dec 05 16:08:20 johnnymnemonic: it fails to build Dec 05 16:08:44 so bad Dec 05 16:09:28 dos1: who's in charge of shr-wizard? Dec 05 16:09:41 johnnymnemonic: TAsn and me Dec 05 16:10:16 was wondering why there is a "Previous" button in the first screen Dec 05 16:10:32 johnnymnemonic: it's disabled Dec 05 16:11:09 dos1: not in my shr :S Dec 05 16:11:15 it is ;p Dec 05 16:11:35 you just don't see that, as you probably has gry theme which doesn't support disabled buttons Dec 05 16:11:37 I'm testing it now, can assure you it's not Dec 05 16:11:45 oh well Dec 05 16:12:36 I find it very kind of SHR Makefile to overwrite all my changes in shr-unstable/openembedded Dec 05 16:12:39 johnnymnemonic: do you have everything upgraded? Dec 05 16:12:41 how about opera? did anyone try it? is it even installable on the moko? Dec 05 16:12:42 so, which theme? Dec 05 16:12:44 when doing make update Dec 05 16:13:11 dos1: yes Dec 05 16:13:22 strange, gry should already support disabled buttons... Dec 05 16:13:36 ah, and while I'm criticising the build system: Dec 05 16:13:49 dos1, yes it should Dec 05 16:13:51 could you decide which one to use of mesa-dri, mesa-xlib, mesa? Dec 05 16:14:51 dos1, prolly the latest version wasnt built? Dec 05 16:15:25 JesusMcCloud: i just built whole feed, and it's still not updated... Dec 05 16:15:48 dos1, but the commit is there, right? Dec 05 16:15:58 JesusMcCloud: yup, i saw it... Dec 05 16:16:15 anhow , gtg chili eating contest.. Dec 05 16:44:01 dos1, I try to avoid being wrong. being wrong usually leads to wasted time and bugs :P (j/k) Dec 05 16:47:22 рь Dec 05 16:47:25 hm Dec 05 16:47:25 Not downgrading package atd on root from 0.80-r1.4 to 0.70-r3.4. Dec 05 16:47:33 wtf? Dec 05 16:53:05 F4t, is there a version compiled against anything we use? Or let me lower my standards: for this CPU? Dec 05 16:55:07 furthermore, isn't it proprietary? Dec 05 16:55:16 mrmoku|away: Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//om-gta02/task-base-apm_1.0-r87.4_om-gta02.ipk Dec 05 16:55:16 Not downgrading package atd on root from 0.80-r1.4 to 0.70-r3.4. Dec 05 17:58:02 mickey|away: fsodeviced ignores long taps on touchscreen Dec 05 17:59:07 mickey|away: click on screen and scroooool and scrooool - you'll see idle notifier changing state to idle, idle_dim etc. until you take away your finger :P Dec 05 17:59:10 then it's busy again Dec 05 18:00:24 dos1, types? :P Dec 05 18:00:25 ciao. Dec 05 18:03:29 wow. cool things will hit navit: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Navit_with_Augmented_Reality Dec 05 18:09:54 TAsnn: org.freesmartphone.PIM.Fields.List(name) Dec 05 18:09:59 TAsnn: what's "name"? Dec 05 18:10:15 TAsnn: org.freesmartphone.PIM.Fields.GroupGet(name) Dec 05 18:10:18 what's group? Dec 05 18:13:34 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rf195b783a889 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/docs/TODO: opimd: update TODO Dec 05 18:15:46 TAsnn: "So, in our example in order to know who of the contacts posses the nick "TAsn" we'll just need to search all of the fields with the type IRC (user of the API will know to ask it). That's about it, I think." Dec 05 18:16:18 TAsnn: can you explain it more? what client is supposed to do when we want contact which use "TAsn" on IRC? Dec 05 18:19:03 dos1, I think I was drunk :P Dec 05 18:19:16 TAsnn: just explain :P Dec 05 18:19:19 ok, sec. I'll fix the wiki page and explain. Dec 05 18:19:20 :P Dec 05 18:19:26 sec. Dec 05 18:19:32 as i just want to implement it Dec 05 18:19:41 and i don't know how to do that when i don't understand such things ;P Dec 05 18:20:13 ok fixed the stupid "name" :P Dec 05 18:20:20 ok. Dec 05 18:20:24 list(name) Dec 05 18:20:26 mistake Dec 05 18:20:33 GroupGet(name) mistake, should have been Get Dec 05 18:20:44 as for the example Dec 05 18:21:01 It's like when searching phone number Dec 05 18:21:53 sec. Dec 05 18:21:56 turnning of TV Dec 05 18:22:00 can't concentrate :P Dec 05 18:22:05 turning off Dec 05 18:23:17 Ok. what I meant. Dec 05 18:23:38 I meant that instead of searching all of the "cells" in the db for "tel:" Dec 05 18:23:43 when you want to search a phone number Dec 05 18:24:03 all you need to do is search only the columns of the type "telephonenumber" Dec 05 18:24:14 (in org.freesmartphone.PIM.Types( Dec 05 18:24:25 which can be either the field Phone, Cellphone Dec 05 18:24:25 etc. Dec 05 18:24:34 which is rather easy to search, you just Dec 05 18:24:43 org.freesmartphone.PIM.Fields.List Dec 05 18:25:15 Ok, I think I just made a mess. Dec 05 18:25:15 sec. Dec 05 18:25:25 let me order the wiki page and I'll explain correctly. Dec 05 18:25:49 hi Dec 05 18:26:08 ok Dec 05 18:26:14 dos1, listen: Dec 05 18:26:30 Let's look at this is if everything is stored in a relational db (sqlite for that matter) Dec 05 18:27:03 Each column must be associated with a Field (should have been FieldType) Dec 05 18:27:30 so let's say you have a FieldType called Phone, of the Type (Types) "telephonenumber" Dec 05 18:27:58 and column names associated with phone that are called "Home-Phone", "Cellphone" ETC. Dec 05 18:28:45 So each contact will have: Dec 05 18:29:34 Name, Phone-number, email, address, home-number, work-email, work-phone Dec 05 18:29:53 Name is of FieldType "Name" which is of type ("string(300)") Dec 05 18:29:54 TAsn: i have one question :P Dec 05 18:30:04 ask Dec 05 18:30:57 Actually, coming to think about it, you can skip the FieldType, although it may have great uses in the far future, I think it just may overcomplicate things. Dec 05 18:30:58 playya: pong Dec 05 18:31:04 TAsn: when adding new contact {'Name': 'TAsn', 'Room number in my awesome hotel': '666'}, do i need to add field 'Room number in my awesome hotel' and specify its type before that? Dec 05 18:31:25 dos1, depends. Dec 05 18:31:46 TAsn: or just after adding it, it's just normal field which is not processed specifically Dec 05 18:31:46 I didn't specify this as you have two options Dec 05 18:31:51 JaMa, hi. can't remember what i want :/. but it was affiliated to mplayer Dec 05 18:32:13 unless i add new field 'Room number...' with some type? Dec 05 18:32:14 either you choose type "Other" of type "string(300)" automatically Dec 05 18:32:14 sth. like: could you rewrite the mplayer stuff for gstreamer? Dec 05 18:32:39 or you just ignore it. Dec 05 18:32:50 This system assumes you don't use special one time field names Dec 05 18:33:06 but we can add support for those. Dec 05 18:33:09 TAsn: i like in opimd now, that i can specify whatever field i want Dec 05 18:33:16 or help me with the glamo stuff. and split it into a seperate lib instead of hardcoding it into mplayer? Dec 05 18:33:19 TAsn: so i would like to keep that :P Dec 05 18:33:28 come to pm, too much noise. Dec 05 18:33:31 TAsn: ok Dec 05 18:33:41 I can't keep track :P Dec 05 18:33:56 playya: ah probably not.. I just rebased patches from balrog and I don't want to update it forever.. I would like to create vdpau_glamo instead.. Dec 05 18:34:25 a lib for handling mpeg,... ? Dec 05 18:34:31 playya: I think that drm stuff is quite separated there.. even balrog used some lib created iirc by some openmoko folks Dec 05 18:34:42 yes Dec 05 18:34:58 it's in driver/glamo and afaik hardcoded Dec 05 18:35:42 at least i don't want to build/install mplayer to install this piece of code Dec 05 18:35:59 playya: drivers/libglamo/ Dec 05 18:36:18 this part is quite separated Dec 05 18:36:57 hardcoded is libvo/vo_glamo, and few other things because there wasn't some api in mplayer for hw assisted decoding as its now with vdpau Dec 05 18:38:03 dos1: saw your patches too late Dec 05 18:38:24 TAsn, JaMa: * [new branch] origin/martin_jansa/srcpv -> origin/origin/martin_jansa/srcpv Dec 05 18:38:30 s/TAsn/mrmoku/ Dec 05 18:38:32 dos1 meant: mrmoku, JaMa: * [new branch] origin/martin_jansa/srcpv -> origin/origin/martin_jansa/srcpv Dec 05 18:38:52 nooooooooo Dec 05 18:39:05 ffs :( Dec 05 18:39:08 * mrmoku NOOOB Dec 05 18:39:52 JaMa, SRCS_MPLAYER-$(GLAMO) += libvo/vo_glamo.c drivers/libglamo/hw.c drivers/libglamo/blit.c drivers/libglamo/os.c drivers/libglamo/dma.c Dec 05 18:40:20 from the makefile Dec 05 18:41:18 mickey|away: no idea how to say.... I did it again :( Dec 05 18:41:33 you bricked OE? Dec 05 18:41:52 brb, cleaning the dishes Dec 05 18:41:55 added a branch :( Dec 05 18:43:08 JaMa: I won't touch srcpv again... have no luck with it :( Dec 05 18:43:20 playya: what's hardcoded in that.. you can copy those few files out and use as library if you want.. I expected you're talking about hardcoded stuff in code.. Dec 05 18:43:48 mrmoku: heh.. maybe you get branch delete perimission next time :) Dec 05 18:43:57 heh Dec 05 18:44:13 then I will start to delete branches still needed... not thanks ;) Dec 05 18:44:22 mrmoku: good sideeffect of bitbake system user only for bitbake + git is that I have all cmds needed in bash history :) Dec 05 18:45:03 * mrmoku notes to increase bash history size again.... Dec 05 18:47:30 TAsn: here? Dec 05 18:47:38 of course. Dec 05 18:47:53 TAsn: what is illume-keyboard in e svn? Dec 05 18:47:57 the new keyboard? Dec 05 18:48:18 /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume-keyboard/keyboards/Default.kbd Dec 05 18:48:21 mrmoku: it's part of illume2, cause it's splitten into few modules Dec 05 18:48:26 is in the packages when using your drop patch Dec 05 18:48:27 yes. Dec 05 18:48:39 hmm Dec 05 18:48:41 it's ok. Dec 05 18:48:43 it's the new module. Dec 05 18:48:47 doesn't get used. Dec 05 18:48:53 ignore it... Dec 05 18:49:12 playya: you should compare libglamo with libdrm-glamo as a place to start if you're interested in this stuff.. Dec 05 18:50:03 TAsn: yep, just that I got confused and install the keyboards from there :P Dec 05 18:50:12 ERROR: '['/home/shr/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/tasks/task-shr-feed.bb']' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'illume-keyboards-shr' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables Dec 05 18:50:13 mrmoku: ^^^ Dec 05 18:51:51 dos1, PM. concentrate! Dec 05 18:52:00 * mrmoku should concentrate too :P Dec 05 18:53:18 dos1: will fix Dec 05 18:53:23 <[Rui]> hi Dec 05 18:55:09 mrmoku, I hope illume-keyboards-shr is a meta package :P Dec 05 19:02:40 TAsn: if it would be a meta package... that problem would not exist :P Dec 05 19:03:11 mrmoku, you just packed them all in one package? :| Dec 05 19:03:25 <[Rui]> mrmoku: what was the problem with libfso-glib? it wouldn't build? Dec 05 19:04:54 there're a lot of functions missing in the header Dec 05 19:05:00 TAsn: are you kidding? :P Dec 05 19:05:04 imho vala bug Dec 05 19:05:13 TAsn: there is no illume-keyboards-shr package Dec 05 19:05:22 mrmoku, oh, ok. Dec 05 19:05:23 that is just the name of the bb :| Dec 05 19:05:28 and I got confused Dec 05 19:05:28 :P Dec 05 19:05:29 phew. Dec 05 19:05:31 :) Dec 05 19:05:53 actually... thinking about it... I would like to force you to install a german keyboard ;) Dec 05 19:07:31 :P Dec 05 19:12:49 mickeyl: the only excuse I could offer... is... too much LEGO :P Dec 05 19:13:01 hahaha Dec 05 19:13:03 don't worry Dec 05 19:13:04 done Dec 05 19:13:09 thanks very much :) Dec 05 19:14:44 No such thing as too much Lego! Dec 05 19:15:18 mwester, ++ on that. Dec 05 19:15:52 mwester: :) Dec 05 19:16:18 mwester: fortunately my kids are young enough that they still love LEGO Dec 05 19:16:37 mwester: and to take care of the years to come... the third kid is on the way :P Dec 05 19:17:25 Mine have outgrown Legos, so I must wait until I have grandchildren in a decade or two -- but Legos have been around since I was a child, and I have no doubt that my grandkids (should I have any) will love them too. :) Dec 05 19:17:25 :P Dec 05 19:17:40 congrats on the third one, mrmoku ! Dec 05 19:17:46 thanks Dec 05 19:17:58 mrmoku, when is he due? Dec 05 19:18:01 and right you are... legos will never be outfashioned Dec 05 19:18:06 TAsn: end of feb Dec 05 19:18:12 is there a password on root on latest SHR test version? Dec 05 19:18:13 soon! Dec 05 19:18:18 yeah. Dec 05 19:18:30 Ddorda: no password Dec 05 19:18:39 Ddorda: ssh won't let you in with an empty password Dec 05 19:18:47 Ddorda: open vala-terminal and do passwd Dec 05 19:18:52 Ddorda: give root a password Dec 05 19:19:06 mrmoku, is shr-wizard in image? Dec 05 19:19:08 mrmoku: okay, thanks Dec 05 19:19:13 mwester: time is passing fast :| Dec 05 19:19:15 tooo fast Dec 05 19:19:21 Ddorda: np Dec 05 19:19:37 mrmoku, have you tried the new shr-wizard recipe (sent in shr-devel) and built the new package? Dec 05 19:19:39 TAsn: is in image Dec 05 19:19:54 TAsn: I'm still splitting the keyboards Dec 05 19:20:00 TAsn: almost finished though Dec 05 19:20:07 TAsn: going to commit now Dec 05 19:20:11 cool :P Dec 05 19:21:27 it's probably now in image ;P Dec 05 19:21:39 as image has old svn-04 versions Dec 05 19:23:29 mrmoku, when you have time, please try the new shr-wizard recipe + build, I think I made it automatic, but can't really check as I have svn4 installed here, and no time to upgd :P Dec 05 19:29:44 mrmoku: Not downgrading package atd on root from 0.80-r1.4 to 0.70-r3.4. ? Dec 05 19:29:54 don't know what's up with that Dec 05 19:30:15 what is atd? Dec 05 19:30:56 mickeyl: could you please revoke my git access Dec 05 19:31:15 mickeyl: or better tell me how to configure git correctly :( Dec 05 19:31:25 shr-installer is not starting Dec 05 19:31:52 mrmoku: heh, what did you do now? Dec 05 19:32:03 Q-Master: atd is a thing to start tasks at a specific time Dec 05 19:32:07 mickeyl: I did it again :( Dec 05 19:32:14 well Dec 05 19:32:16 it should be simple Dec 05 19:32:26 git push origin localbranch:remotebranch Dec 05 19:32:30 remotebranch no origin Dec 05 19:32:40 since it's implicitly remote Dec 05 19:32:53 yeah :| Dec 05 19:33:11 though there is the possibility to configure what to push I think Dec 05 19:33:15 if you can't remember that, you can configure it in your git config Dec 05 19:33:21 never used that though Dec 05 19:33:22 because this time I pushed via git gui Dec 05 19:33:34 and forgot that I still have my local branch checked out :( Dec 05 19:33:56 I promise to dig into git config man page now :) Dec 05 19:34:06 hmm Dec 05 19:34:12 can't find any origin/ branch here Dec 05 19:34:15 are you sure? Dec 05 19:34:35 not origin Dec 05 19:34:44 I just pushed my local branch Dec 05 19:34:49 illume-keyboards-3 Dec 05 19:35:23 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r5b3c423aabf6 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (opimd.py type_manager.py): opimd: introduce Type Manager Dec 05 19:35:27 hehehe Dec 05 19:35:28 gone Dec 05 19:35:42 mickeyl: thanks, what do you want me to bring you to FSOSHRUDCON'10 ? Dec 05 19:35:54 ;) Dec 05 19:35:59 let me think about that Dec 05 19:36:01 mickeyl: IIRC beer is not something that attracts you too much :) Dec 05 19:36:25 that's true, i rarely drink alcohol Dec 05 19:36:30 mrmoku, shr on palm pre Dec 05 19:36:33 mrmoku, btw Dec 05 19:36:33 eating more though ;) Dec 05 19:36:38 FSOSHRUDCON'10 Dec 05 19:36:53 please, not before april! :( Dec 05 19:37:00 I want to be able to come, and I won't be before that. Dec 05 19:37:03 mickeyl: I could bring you some nice fresh Weisswürste Dec 05 19:37:11 i also want to be able to come :x Dec 05 19:37:19 and beer is also not attracting me so much :P Dec 05 19:37:32 ignorants :) Dec 05 19:38:44 mrmoku: what are the first plans about FSOSHRBLAHBLAH'10? when/where? Dec 05 19:38:54 dos1, April, israel Dec 05 19:38:58 :P Dec 05 19:39:03 mrmoku: hehe Dec 05 19:39:10 mrmoku: sounds good. for the barbecue Dec 05 19:39:10 and TAsn offers the tickets ;) Dec 05 19:39:14 You guys should really come to see the holy-land Dec 05 19:39:15 ooohh ouch Dec 05 19:39:20 mickeyl: not possible Dec 05 19:39:22 :P Dec 05 19:39:22 then FSOSHR...'10.2 July - Poland :P Dec 05 19:39:32 dos1, sounds sane Dec 05 19:39:52 weisswürste for barbecue? Dec 05 19:39:57 mickeyl: if I put Weisswürste on the barbequeue... they won't let me back in to bavaria :P Dec 05 19:40:06 :D Dec 05 19:40:09 ok, i understand that Dec 05 19:40:20 weisswurst and bretzeln are breakfast Dec 05 19:40:20 we can eat them "cold" as well Dec 05 19:40:25 more like having a nice breakfast :) Dec 05 19:40:41 mickeyl, cut them into piece Dec 05 19:40:50 and use usual mustard Dec 05 19:41:09 sounds good Dec 05 19:41:44 btw, we'll have Kosher meals in FSOSHR'10 right? Dec 05 19:41:51 (j/k) :P Dec 05 19:42:20 <[Rui]> Portugal has some awesome weather in the summer, beaches too :) Dec 05 19:42:24 i think we have to organize it. Dec 05 19:42:30 i agree Dec 05 19:42:34 rather starting now than later Dec 05 19:42:37 [Rui], too crazy to get there. Dec 05 19:42:43 playya, APRIL Dec 05 19:42:43 [Rui], nice bit...es too Dec 05 19:42:47 AFTER APRIL Dec 05 19:42:49 not before. Dec 05 19:42:54 and not on my exam period :P Dec 05 19:42:58 TAsn, maybe even may Dec 05 19:43:13 preferably summer Dec 05 19:43:16 but not a must Dec 05 19:43:18 i have to finish my thesis end of april Dec 05 19:43:22 <[Rui]> playya: nice girls as well, yes, and no those are not implants ;) Dec 05 19:43:41 (I want to be able to go surfing in europe if I'm already there :P Dec 05 19:44:08 lets meet in constance near the lake of constance Dec 05 19:44:18 but there's no linux hotel Dec 05 19:44:32 playya: what kind of thesis? Dec 05 19:45:00 bachelor Dec 05 19:45:06 summer vacations Dec 05 19:45:10 :P Dec 05 19:46:29 dos1, :P Dec 05 19:46:41 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r2f443c4799dc 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/type_manager.py: opimd: TypeManager: add few more default types Dec 05 19:46:46 I like the way you think (I want to surf in war water) Dec 05 19:46:57 mrmoku, look at dos's commit :P Dec 05 19:47:02 playya: if you'd said PhD, I'd be advising you to (a) run far away, and (b) give up all hope of finishing, ever. (the wounds from mine are still healing...) Dec 05 19:47:16 Weiss, haha. :P Dec 05 19:47:36 anyhow bbl Dec 05 19:49:05 <[Rui]> what's the lib I need to use to set all those nice settings? Dec 05 19:49:33 <[Rui]> libfso-glib? Dec 05 19:49:52 <[Rui]> libframeworkd-glib? Dec 05 19:51:36 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r050df576db57 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (helpers.py pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py pimd_generic.py): opimd: remove all old handling of 'tel:' URI Dec 05 19:53:46 Weiss, whats the topic of you thesis? Dec 05 19:54:24 Weiss: i think you got that wrong. PhD is all about researching whatever you fancy, party a lot, and even get paid for it. when you do the thesis is when you lose. so, the more you can delay it, the better :) Dec 05 19:54:25 [Rui]: what settings? and from where? Dec 05 19:55:06 <[Rui]> mrmoku: those nifty quick settings? Dec 05 19:55:15 playya: "electron crystallography" Dec 05 19:55:37 wpwrak: perhaps. I did a lot of things wrong during my PhD. VERY glad I never had to do another one Dec 05 19:55:49 so now phone resolving in opimd is broken :> Dec 05 19:55:55 (in dos/opimd-tracking branch) Dec 05 19:56:33 [Rui], you don't. Dec 05 19:56:44 you should use phoneui_utils_* wrappers Dec 05 19:56:46 <[Rui]> TAsn: hms? Dec 05 19:56:54 <[Rui]> TAsn: ok. Dec 05 19:56:57 for easy generic handling of those stuff. Dec 05 19:57:06 and those wrappers you seek don't yet exists Dec 05 19:57:07 -s Dec 05 19:57:28 mainly because the lfg equiv don't exist either Dec 05 19:57:34 mrmoku is working on the latter Dec 05 19:57:39 I'll work on the former Dec 05 19:57:57 though you should give us a list of functions you want, and suggest the prototypes. Dec 05 19:57:58 <[Rui]> oh... Dec 05 19:58:35 hello, anyone around who knows something about the wolfson? Dec 05 19:58:57 i am just running into magical troubles :D Dec 05 19:59:30 <[Rui]> TAsn: hms... okidokie... Dec 05 20:03:26 when recording mono-sound (1 channel) Dec 05 20:03:54 I get data from both channels (chunk per chunk) into one Dec 05 20:04:05 on the neo it plays just fine Dec 05 20:04:14 but on pc, its twice as slow Dec 05 20:04:15 TAsn: hmm... is illume-flow.patch still needed? Dec 05 20:04:29 depends, does it apply? Dec 05 20:04:36 if not, I think not :P Dec 05 20:04:40 and cannot find any switch to stop that :( Dec 05 20:04:50 I don't remember the exact rev it's applied to. Dec 05 20:05:59 TAsn: ok, just noted that it is not in org.openembedded.dev... but still in shr/merge Dec 05 20:06:04 we'll see Dec 05 20:06:22 vanInwagen: what are the recording parameters you use? Dec 05 20:06:42 vanInwagen: can you pastebin the verbose arecord and aplay outputs (for both FR and host)? Dec 05 20:06:50 8000 Hz, 1 Channel, Periodsize 160, format: S16_LE Dec 05 20:07:05 ok, just wait Dec 05 20:07:19 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * r8f21e2111806 10/src/view/message-new-view.c: Added back that 'Number' when there's no contact name available Dec 05 20:10:26 here's the hosts output: Dec 05 20:10:28 http://pastebin.com/d29b5b7aa Dec 05 20:11:21 growl.. debug board isn't cooperating with my attempts to debug 2.6.31 Dec 05 20:11:52 heres my phone: Dec 05 20:11:53 http://pastebin.com/d2d204295 Dec 05 20:12:19 it's interesting aplay plays it twice as slow, too Dec 05 20:12:46 only tried it with dictator Dec 05 20:15:12 i tried to record with dictator, do you still need arecord Dec 05 20:15:14 ? Dec 05 20:16:23 vanInwagen: obviously dictator records a stereo format Dec 05 20:17:03 vanInwagen: .wav by default is stereo Dec 05 20:17:04 although I'm telling it to record one channel? Dec 05 20:17:13 it uses its own custom alsa state file Dec 05 20:17:14 well, dunno Dec 05 20:17:20 vanInwagen: so do you mean aplay works the same on both devices? Dec 05 20:17:24 yes i know, i created it Dec 05 20:17:40 vanInwagen: how do you get proper speed then? Dec 05 20:17:43 yes it plays the file right Dec 05 20:18:08 dictator gets the information from the wav file and plays it Dec 05 20:18:26 vanInwagen: who plays the file right, aplay? On both host and FR? What is the problem then? Dec 05 20:18:46 if you playback a stereo interleaved format as mono, you obviously half the speed Dec 05 20:19:01 yes, aplay plays every data that is there, so it's too slow Dec 05 20:19:20 dictator somehow just plays the half of the data, and plays it as it was recorded Dec 05 20:19:37 vanInwagen: looks like the dictator records in wrong format then. Dec 05 20:19:46 vanInwagen: that only it can understand. Dec 05 20:20:12 DocSrutinizer-8: But i really recorded one channel, why does it get the other one too? Dec 05 20:20:25 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r8722da22e7d8 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (8 files): Dec 05 20:20:25 freesmartphone.org: opimd: be aware of different field types Dec 05 20:20:25 freesmartphone.org: Changes nothing yet :P Dec 05 20:20:37 vanInwagen: it's dead simple to tell from format u16le and duration and samplerate to the expected size of a file Dec 05 20:20:38 PaulFertser: I think so too Dec 05 20:21:03 you'll prolly find it's twice the size you expected, as it's stereo Dec 05 20:22:03 vanInwagen: it's one thing to open a mono audio device, but another to define the format of the file storing it Dec 05 20:22:04 I also had this problem Dec 05 20:22:11 DocScrutinizer-8: no it's not: Dec 05 20:22:13 # Dec 05 20:22:13 root@om-gta02 ~ $ aplay -v mic_2009-12-05_20\:35\:38.wav Dec 05 20:22:13 # Dec 05 20:22:13 Playing WAVE 'mic_2009-12-05_20:35:38.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono Dec 05 20:22:13 # Dec 05 20:22:14 Plug PCM: Rate conversion PCM (48000, sformat=S16_LE) Dec 05 20:22:56 so what? Dec 05 20:23:32 it's saying you opened a mono device to playback mono s16le Dec 05 20:23:58 vanInwagen, arecord -D hw:0,0 -f S16_LE -c 2 Dec 05 20:24:12 now if you feed an interleaved stereo stream to that, you get exactly half the speed/freq Dec 05 20:24:17 to get it as stereo Dec 05 20:24:25 now you probably did -c 1 Dec 05 20:24:27 didn't you? Dec 05 20:24:45 TAsn: I did Dec 05 20:24:50 TAsn: but i wanted mono! Dec 05 20:25:08 as DocScrutinizer-8 said Dec 05 20:25:09 sorry, if i it is not so clear by now Dec 05 20:25:11 that's just the filetype Dec 05 20:25:20 hw:0.0 *is* stereo Dec 05 20:25:29 you still sampled a stereo device. Dec 05 20:25:33 but you kept it as mono. Dec 05 20:25:44 so either you do -c2 and edit it afterwards Dec 05 20:25:54 (pretty simple) Dec 05 20:25:58 ahhh, i see, i thought using hw:0,0 means Dec 05 20:26:05 or I dunno what. :P Dec 05 20:26:11 to use device[0] on card[0] Dec 05 20:26:22 you can probably pipe it to a simple stereo to mono app Dec 05 20:26:39 TAsn: yes, that's possible Dec 05 20:26:42 vanInwagen: it does Dec 05 20:26:42 (arecord lets you dump to stdout) Dec 05 20:26:50 vanInwagen, it's just that this device is steroe Dec 05 20:26:51 :P Dec 05 20:26:58 but it is device[0] on card[0] Dec 05 20:26:59 :P Dec 05 20:27:02 bah, use plughw! Dec 05 20:27:19 DocScrutinizer-8, hehe, yeah, I tood this one from a very old script Dec 05 20:27:21 or, plug:hw:0.0 Dec 05 20:27:22 So it just CANNOT record mono? Dec 05 20:27:35 vanInwagen, hardware passes Dec 05 20:27:36 data Dec 05 20:27:38 nothing more Dec 05 20:27:38 DocScrutinizer-8: ok, i'll try Dec 05 20:27:47 vanInwagen, it'll still be stereo Dec 05 20:27:50 he was talking to me Dec 05 20:28:05 ah, ok :) Dec 05 20:28:13 vanInwagen, hardware passes data Dec 05 20:28:20 it captures Dec 05 20:28:23 arecord -D plughw:0.0 Dec 05 20:28:27 arecod gets that dump Dec 05 20:28:38 arecord does not know it's stereo Dec 05 20:28:42 or mono Dec 05 20:28:51 it asks you to state that by using -c Dec 05 20:28:57 (or let it guess) Dec 05 20:29:05 TAsn: yes, i know Dec 05 20:29:07 yep Dec 05 20:29:17 The thing is, that i am developing Dictator 0.3 right now Dec 05 20:29:18 vanInwagen, anyhow, writing a very simple stereo to mono C app Dec 05 20:29:22 is just a couple of secs. Dec 05 20:29:33 vanInwagen, I C. Dec 05 20:29:41 vanInwagen, btw, what do you do? Dec 05 20:29:41 and did not want to use arecord but attack alsa via python-pyalsaaudio Dec 05 20:29:51 TAsn: !!!!!! use plughw!!!! Dec 05 20:30:02 TAsn: what do you mean? Dec 05 20:30:03 I hope you don't still load your custom state files Dec 05 20:30:06 ~. Dec 05 20:30:07 . Dec 05 20:30:09 as that was BAD. Dec 05 20:30:19 That's what I hated the most about dictator Dec 05 20:30:21 yes, i recognized Dec 05 20:30:30 you should either edit the default ones Dec 05 20:30:33 or at least Dec 05 20:30:40 but, i need an extra statefile Dec 05 20:30:43 change some controls real time Dec 05 20:30:53 and be aware of state changes Dec 05 20:30:54 to record gsm Dec 05 20:31:04 so changing to BT won't ruin your recording. Dec 05 20:31:45 so you cannot record with bt-headset with dictator? Dec 05 20:31:45 DocScrutinizer-8: do you know anything about what goes on in the SoC during suspend? i.e. what gets tweaked to actually make it fall asleep? Dec 05 20:31:47 TAsn: aaah, a "new better" alsa scenario concept?? Dec 05 20:32:15 vanInwagen, probably you can't even use it with dictator Dec 05 20:32:22 as you load your special handcrafted scenario Dec 05 20:32:25 that doesn't support BT Dec 05 20:32:33 Weiss: very very little Dec 05 20:32:41 (last time I've checked, ver 0.1) Dec 05 20:32:46 I just used callrec when I used it. Dec 05 20:32:51 But i cant change the mixers with python-pyalsaaudio Dec 05 20:33:01 DocScrutinizer-8, NO do you know what he wants to do? Dec 05 20:33:04 vanInwagen, sure you can. Dec 05 20:33:09 have to take amixer, and that's not nice Dec 05 20:33:19 that's what I meant. Dec 05 20:33:29 vanInwagen, what's your email+? Dec 05 20:33:29 DocScrutinizer-8: for example... once all the hardware has been sorted out, is it just a question of switching off the regulators? I got a GDB trace on the FR when "hung" pre-suspend with 2.6.31. Turns out it's just sitting idle.. Dec 05 20:33:33 I'll send you a nice test app Dec 05 20:33:36 with pyalsa Dec 05 20:33:44 TAsn: matthiasfelsche@web.de Dec 05 20:33:53 web.de? sweet! :P Dec 05 20:33:58 :P Dec 05 20:34:17 TAsn: matthiasfelsche@linux.com Dec 05 20:34:20 is that better? Dec 05 20:34:23 :P Dec 05 20:34:41 Weiss: no idea Dec 05 20:34:55 vanInwagen, where did you get those cool addresses from? :P Dec 05 20:34:58 toooo cool :P Dec 05 20:35:02 I want one as well. Dec 05 20:35:10 anyhow sent. Dec 05 20:35:16 thanks! Dec 05 20:35:21 actually I'd really like having tom@kernel.org Dec 05 20:35:26 vanInwagen: TAsn: great. now every app is supposed to tweak mixer *BY ITS OWN*???? Dec 05 20:35:27 but that's probably taken :P Dec 05 20:35:37 DocScrutinizer-8, NO Dec 05 20:35:47 actually, FSO should have an interface for that. Dec 05 20:35:56 Though he's looking for a "works now" solution. Dec 05 20:36:15 And I suggested the least terrible solution. Dec 05 20:36:33 TAsn: you think you did Dec 05 20:36:39 DocScrutinizer, :P Dec 05 20:36:52 actually it's the most terrible solution Dec 05 20:37:13 DocScrutinizer-8, what's your suggestion then? Dec 05 20:37:22 The best suggestion is doing what I did in callrec Dec 05 20:37:32 which is patching the existing scenario files Dec 05 20:37:35 use the concepts sketched in ACI Dec 05 20:37:51 and unpatching when the package is removed. Dec 05 20:37:54 DocScrutinizer-8, link? Dec 05 20:37:58 Do they require dev work? Dec 05 20:38:10 use a dedicated alsa device that sets up what you need by hooks Dec 05 20:38:35 vanInwagen, ^ Dec 05 20:38:45 DocScrutinizer-8, that's out of my jurisdiction. Dec 05 20:38:52 <[Rui]> TAsn: I'm going to make some functions, then, which for now will only be placeholders. Dec 05 20:39:00 TAsn: got your email, reading Dec 05 20:39:15 <[Rui]> currently the code sets some ints to 0 or 1 Dec 05 20:39:16 [Rui], cool Dec 05 20:39:27 <[Rui]> that's what the placeholders will do... Dec 05 20:39:28 [Rui], try to conform to our naming conventions Dec 05 20:39:52 if they'll conform that'd be awesome, otherwise we'll just search and replace Dec 05 20:39:56 no biggie either way. :P Dec 05 20:40:04 * TAsn likes breaking projects using sed. Dec 05 20:40:08 <[Rui]> phoneui_utils_* ? Dec 05 20:40:17 [Rui], phoneui_utils_* Dec 05 20:40:18 where Dec 05 20:40:23 * conforms to our naming... Dec 05 20:40:25 TAsn: alsa hooks need no FSO, no dbus, and no libpyalsa Dec 05 20:40:28 i.e get/set at the end Dec 05 20:40:30 <[Rui]> but now, I'll help with dinner :) Dec 05 20:40:36 and sane names Dec 05 20:40:37 <[Rui]> TAsn: yes... Dec 05 20:40:41 by the way, using the old state-files in new Shr-u is obsolete, isn't it? Dec 05 20:40:45 they just need a proper .asoundrc Dec 05 20:40:46 just watch how we named everything. Dec 05 20:40:52 DocScrutinizer-8, I know. Dec 05 20:41:07 <[Rui]> TAsn: if they're not sane enough, just feel free to sanitize them with a lobotomy :) Dec 05 20:41:07 DocScrutinizer-8, Actually, I also suggested using that for volume control. Dec 05 20:41:09 vanInwagen, yes. Dec 05 20:41:16 :P Dec 05 20:41:21 [Rui], btw Dec 05 20:41:24 got to play with the UI Dec 05 20:41:28 GJ :P Dec 05 20:41:31 except for consistent Dec 05 20:41:36 lock/suspend/poweroff Dec 05 20:41:38 buttons Dec 05 20:41:39 [Rui]: have a list of needed functions for me? :) Dec 05 20:41:43 that were in different sizes. Dec 05 20:41:48 <[Rui]> mrmoku: not yet Dec 05 20:41:49 mrmoku, you don't need him. Dec 05 20:41:51 it seems that the best solution would be Dec 05 20:41:53 just look at the UI Dec 05 20:41:57 and see what we miss. Dec 05 20:41:59 <[Rui]> TAsn: yes. Dec 05 20:42:10 mrmoku, btw, done with keyboards? :P Dec 05 20:42:13 to make up the devices one like and just choose them in dictator !? Dec 05 20:42:22 TAsn: pushed, yes Dec 05 20:42:24 <[Rui]> gtg, bbl Dec 05 20:42:28 [Rui], ciao. Dec 05 20:42:33 mrmoku, sweet :P Dec 05 20:42:43 TAsn: what do we need for the idle things? Dec 05 20:42:46 please also bump e PR Dec 05 20:42:57 did that Dec 05 20:43:00 so we won't have a clash :P Dec 05 20:43:01 sweet. Dec 05 20:43:13 mrmoku, hm.. as for idle Dec 05 20:43:17 sec Dec 05 20:44:32 TAsn: it partly works :) Dec 05 20:44:48 TAsn: now there is hardcoded 'Phone'->'phonenumber' Dec 05 20:45:29 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * re534e6501f83 10/src/phoneui.h.in: removed the unneeded TIME idle screen refersh option Dec 05 20:45:54 playya: btw. finished thinking :P Dec 05 20:46:11 ah. cool. only bad ideas? Dec 05 20:46:12 dos1, why hardcoded? Dec 05 20:46:14 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * r0bdb2a7e41e0 10/src/view/idle-view.c: commented out the REFRESH_TIME in idlescreen Dec 05 20:46:18 oh, just for testing? :P Dec 05 20:46:22 playya: interesting thing that launcher... Dec 05 20:46:24 TAsn: yup Dec 05 20:46:27 cool :P Dec 05 20:47:10 dos1, btw, mind adding options to control that in shr-settings? (until we do it properly in libphone-ui/ui-shr) Dec 05 20:47:28 ok. cool. but it's still draft Dec 05 20:47:43 and i want to redesign some parts of fsomusicd first Dec 05 20:49:23 dos1, anyhow, works like a charm? BTW, please provide in that config some defaults like 'Phone', 'Name' and whatever PISI has :P Dec 05 20:49:31 or at least in frameworkd-shr-config Dec 05 20:49:47 mickey|tv: I've had X working on a touch pro, as well as touchscreen and rotate Dec 05 20:50:00 tmzt, supersweet! Dec 05 20:50:01 xrandr is still not possible at runtime with Xorg, that's a core issue not a driver one Dec 05 20:50:19 * TAsn really wants to run shr on non openmoko hw :P Dec 05 20:51:35 TAsn: hmm... Dec 05 20:51:43 TAsn: but now regexps on Phone field are not possible Dec 05 20:51:52 it's always normalizing Dec 05 20:52:29 why would you want regex phones? Dec 05 20:52:33 hmm Dec 05 20:52:37 that's good question :D Dec 05 20:52:59 I think not allowing users to do dumb unnatural comparisons Dec 05 20:53:01 is just fine Dec 05 20:53:05 hmm Dec 05 20:53:25 but some way to clarify, if quered phone number is supposed to be complede could be nice Dec 05 20:53:27 as Dec 05 20:53:34 you can start typying in dialer Dec 05 20:53:41 6634... Dec 05 20:53:53 and then you want it to match number +48663456789 Dec 05 20:54:00 but when you're resolving numbers Dec 05 20:54:02 but that won't work ATM anyway Dec 05 20:54:07 s/numbers/names/ Dec 05 20:54:09 dos1 meant: but when you're resolving names Dec 05 20:54:09 then you don't want it Dec 05 20:54:13 TAsn: ATM it works Dec 05 20:54:14 dos1, I can change something in phoneutils if you want Dec 05 20:54:19 dos1, no it doesn't Dec 05 20:54:21 just query without tel: Dec 05 20:54:24 in your specific example it does Dec 05 20:54:29 but not in israel Dec 05 20:54:33 where my home number is Dec 05 20:54:40 +9723123456 Dec 05 20:54:46 and I write with national prefix Dec 05 20:54:46 hmm Dec 05 20:54:49 0312345 Dec 05 20:54:50 6 Dec 05 20:54:56 that won't work with regex. Dec 05 20:55:01 I don't mind adding to phoneutils Dec 05 20:55:04 a "submatch" Dec 05 20:55:20 but then how to query that submatch in opimd? Dec 05 20:55:33 every submatch is a match Dec 05 20:55:38 by definition Dec 05 20:55:48 oh Dec 05 20:55:50 you mean in the API? Dec 05 20:56:00 that's easy Dec 05 20:56:06 just query for submatches Dec 05 20:56:14 and return all that matched Dec 05 20:56:15 ... Dec 05 20:56:23 exactly like you do now Dec 05 20:56:31 (now you return all that matched completely) Dec 05 20:56:34 {'Phone' : '663456789'} Dec 05 20:56:45 that's for instance for name resolving Dec 05 20:56:45 We can change matching to return Dec 05 20:56:49 ok Dec 05 20:56:51 we can do Dec 05 20:56:57 in opimd Dec 05 20:56:58 and for submatching? Dec 05 20:57:00 that'll always return Dec 05 20:57:10 dos1, there are two possibilities Dec 05 20:57:19 either you do it on by default (submatching) Dec 05 20:57:39 so you'll always get the sub matched results (which for full numbers will only return YOUR result) Dec 05 20:57:56 and for non-full numbers will return the possibilities Dec 05 20:58:03 querying method won't change (probably the best solution) Dec 05 20:58:09 or you can just add a Dec 05 20:58:16 _submatch: True Dec 05 20:58:22 or something like that Dec 05 20:58:29 I prefer the former Dec 05 20:58:37 and that's an easy fix in phoneutils Dec 05 20:58:39 if you want. Dec 05 20:58:41 ok, that's later :P Dec 05 20:58:49 that's phoneutils Dec 05 20:58:51 job Dec 05 20:58:57 for you it'll just stay the same Dec 05 20:59:17 Anyhow, ATM everything works? :P Dec 05 20:59:22 (with hardcoded stuff) Dec 05 20:59:25 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r0630ee4297ee 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (helpers.py pimd_generic.py type_manager.py): opimd: implement number normalizing using phoneutils with new, TypeManager way Dec 05 21:01:31 TAsn: seems like ;) Dec 05 21:01:43 cool :PY Dec 05 21:01:44 cool :P Dec 05 21:01:58 now there is number normalizing at "Phone" field, without tel: prefix :P Dec 05 21:02:40 phew. Dec 05 21:02:44 (no tel :P) Dec 05 21:02:52 btw, dos1 Dec 05 21:02:56 we need to write a script Dec 05 21:02:59 to fix the DB Dec 05 21:03:03 for upgrade path :P Dec 05 21:03:13 as new testing already uses old opimd :P Dec 05 21:03:25 fix the DB Dec 05 21:03:27 = strip tel: Dec 05 21:03:28 :P Dec 05 21:03:28 hmm Dec 05 21:03:30 ok Dec 05 21:03:38 but that's not opimd Dec 05 21:03:41 i'll write python script for that :P Dec 05 21:03:44 :P Dec 05 21:06:10 so now only Fields interface, and storing fields configuration Dec 05 21:06:19 and then i'll merge it to master and you'll be happy :P Dec 05 21:07:40 I'll only be happy after I'll finish support for it on my part :P Dec 05 21:07:56 (Which won't take that much time, but still) Dec 05 21:08:23 only changing 2 functions and removing all the add/remove tel crap :P Dec 05 21:16:46 Just to get that right in the end: Dec 05 21:17:03 With the Freerunnerone can only record and play stereo? Dec 05 21:17:25 vanInwagen: hmm? Dec 05 21:17:34 vanInwagen, what's wrong with capturing stereo that you are so against it? Dec 05 21:18:00 it's not bad, but its twice the data i don't need Dec 05 21:18:08 the handset-mic is mono Dec 05 21:18:37 i just got an empty channel Dec 05 21:19:03 when recording my voice Dec 05 21:19:16 and my voice in the other one Dec 05 21:19:45 i could have it twice, but why? Dec 05 21:20:24 so just use a sw processor Dec 05 21:20:58 i tried to kick out every second chunk Dec 05 21:21:05 (the ones from the other channel) Dec 05 21:21:22 but the neo then played them twice as fast :) Dec 05 21:22:23 TAsn: Do you mean deleting the empty channel when recording Dec 05 21:23:13 do whatever you see fit, but delete what you don't need using a sw processor, yeah. Dec 05 21:23:17 and playing an extra empty channel when playing mono-sound? Dec 05 21:23:18 (merge channels for instance) Dec 05 21:23:22 USE PLUGHW!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dec 05 21:23:23 btw, iirc Dec 05 21:23:25 what I did Dec 05 21:23:37 DocScrutinizer, plughw lets you capture in mono? Dec 05 21:23:44 YES Dec 05 21:23:44 DocScrutinizer: i tried with arecord but did'nt record anything Dec 05 21:23:53 DocScrutinizer-8, :P Dec 05 21:24:27 vanInwagen, IIRC what I did at that time, is captured both sides of the gsm in one channel each Dec 05 21:24:30 and then split them. Dec 05 21:24:31 vanInwagen, BTW Dec 05 21:24:36 do *not* capture mic Dec 05 21:24:41 capture gsm-in Dec 05 21:24:46 that's more generic and more correct. Dec 05 21:24:47 i have to admit, yesterday's unstable works alot faster... Dec 05 21:24:55 F4t, :P Dec 05 21:25:00 but...? Dec 05 21:25:04 (there's always a but with you) Dec 05 21:25:11 but messages still dont show whats unread :P Dec 05 21:25:16 hehe Dec 05 21:25:27 oh and mokonnect doesnt work so well, who wrote that crap?.... Dec 05 21:25:28 We'll redesign the UI soon Dec 05 21:25:34 F4t, :P Dec 05 21:25:34 is mic-data always coming in via gsm-in (RXP, RXN) ? Dec 05 21:25:43 vanInwagen, no idea. Dec 05 21:25:59 I'm just saying you should capture at the latest place possible. Dec 05 21:26:21 TAsn: i will Dec 05 21:26:24 vanInwagen: TAsn: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html#pcm_plugins_plug Dec 05 21:27:16 aahh, you mean creating a new "virtual" interface for mono-recording? Dec 05 21:27:25 [2009-12-05 22:24:42] capture gsm-in Dec 05 21:27:27 ACK! Dec 05 21:28:37 vanInwagen: arecord -D plug:hw:0.0 Dec 05 21:28:57 does not work, records nothing Dec 05 21:28:59 vanInwagen: arecord -D plug:hw:0.0 -c 1 Dec 05 21:29:09 i just tried :( Dec 05 21:29:37 it will as soon as arecord -D hw:0.0 will Dec 05 21:30:10 it just does auto conversion to whatever you asked for, in pug plugin Dec 05 21:31:25 so, if arecord -D hw:0.0 works, then arecord -D plughw:0.0 or arecord -D plug:hw:0.0 will as well Dec 05 21:32:07 :( http://pastebin.com/m6573789e Dec 05 21:32:46 wtf?? Dec 05 21:32:57 toldya hw:0,0 is STEREO Dec 05 21:33:03 and Dec 05 21:33:06 arecord -f S16_LE -D hw:0,0 -c 1 > rec.wav Dec 05 21:33:09 is NOT Dec 05 21:33:16 arecord -D plug:hw:0.0 -c 1 Dec 05 21:33:32 ok, ok, slap me, my fault! Dec 05 21:34:02 sorry Dec 05 21:34:02 the diff is exactly the plug Dec 05 21:37:10 alsa on building the pluin stack finds hw:0,0 is stereo, and you asked for -c 1, so plug will convert accordingly Dec 05 21:38:49 ok, i will try that Dec 05 21:38:54 thanx Dec 05 21:39:26 ah ,thats why dmesg puts out: Dec 05 21:39:26 [ 1707.155000] mapped channel 10 to 2 Dec 05 21:39:46 vanInwagen: with arecord -v you can watch alsa doing the magic Dec 05 21:44:07 That's pretty works even with dictator! Dec 05 21:44:37 Thank you very much! Dec 05 21:45:02 And excuse me for disturbing you with my damn stupid questions Dec 05 21:45:37 Then it's only getting the state-thing right and then dictator gets an update Dec 05 21:46:37 vanInwagen: http://pastebin.com/f2fb86ba2 Dec 05 21:47:14 TAsn: ^ Dec 05 21:48:00 what did I do? :P Dec 05 21:49:15 what sources are SHR kernels compiled from ? andy-tracking ? openmoko stable ? Dec 05 21:49:23 drool over http://pastebin.com/f2fb86ba2 ? Dec 05 21:49:54 zecrazytux: andy-tracking Dec 05 21:50:02 dos1: thanks :) Dec 05 21:51:41 Aborted by signal Unterbrechung... Dec 05 21:51:49 only partly translated? :P Dec 05 21:53:07 LANG=de_DE-UTF8 Dec 05 21:53:41 arecord doesn't care Dec 05 21:54:08 :P Dec 05 21:55:53 where has my libdrm_glamo.so.1 gone on the last upgrade? Dec 05 21:56:51 goodbye! Dec 05 22:00:29 Wonka: that'd be *my* libdrm_glamo.so.1 - I only lent it to you :) Dec 05 22:00:56 Weiss: I built my last one myself! Dec 05 22:01:11 mrmoku: I get an illegal instruction after compiling anything Dec 05 22:01:31 you've given me a wrong libc_nonshared.a Dec 05 22:01:36 Wonka: hehe - I was just being silly :) ... hmm.. it actually got deleted? Dec 05 22:01:48 Q-Master: hmm.. I gave you the one in staging/arm.... Dec 05 22:02:04 Weiss: on upgrade, libdrm was replaced by libdrm2 or something. Dec 05 22:02:14 Weiss: the former contained that file, the latter did not. Dec 05 22:02:44 ah.. is there any other libdrm_glamo type file? Dec 05 22:02:55 mrmoku: anyway 8( Dec 05 22:03:58 Q-Master: I'm working on the toolchain ticket Dec 05 22:04:10 that will include a toolchain for the target too Dec 05 22:04:29 TAsn: i have types almost done (will finish it tomorrow anyway) Dec 05 22:04:34 TAsn: so... where is my screen dimming? :P Dec 05 22:04:35 Weiss: no /usr/lib/libdrm_* Dec 05 22:04:58 dos1, shit. :P Dec 05 22:05:06 Weiss: and Packages.filelist tells of /usr/lib/libdrm_glamo.so.1 in libdrm Dec 05 22:05:26 dos1, I'll implement the basic version tomorrow (probably) Dec 05 22:05:46 though as for the second version, that's a bit more complicated :P (as it's too lowlevelish and we don't want that. Dec 05 22:05:53 TAsn: well, what i did is very basic (and enough :P) Dec 05 22:05:54 dos1, gimme the link again please :P Dec 05 22:06:06 mrmoku: ok Dec 05 22:06:09 http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/dimmer Dec 05 22:06:12 (hopefully to the first version) Dec 05 22:06:14 * Q-Master to bed Dec 05 22:06:17 good enough Dec 05 22:06:18 :P Dec 05 22:06:25 TAsn: you mean just framebuffer blanking with ioctl? Dec 05 22:06:31 TAsn: what makes idle screen go away? Dec 05 22:06:41 slyon is handling Aux Dec 05 22:06:42 TAsn: i think FSO does that on SetBrightness(0) Dec 05 22:07:10 mrmoku, we should, if we want handle AUX (but from phonefsod) Dec 05 22:07:17 as we might have different uses for AUX. Dec 05 22:07:24 or, we can use a script Dec 05 22:07:29 and call a dbus method in that script Dec 05 22:07:30 TAsn: but you have to use xset to avoid mistaken taps Dec 05 22:07:33 and use the e way of mounting Dec 05 22:07:37 the keybinding Dec 05 22:07:40 which is probably better. Dec 05 22:07:57 but will suck more as popping/dropping would have to be managed using a tmpfile in /tmp Dec 05 22:08:02 TAsn: I think it is cleaner to hide it via IdleNotifier Dec 05 22:08:11 mrmoku: ?? Dec 05 22:08:12 if stat is no more lock we hide it, no? Dec 05 22:08:18 mrmoku: on busy state? no way. Dec 05 22:08:24 mrmoku, idlenotifier: cool. Dec 05 22:08:28 busy state? Dec 05 22:08:35 mrmoku, what do you mean? Dec 05 22:08:36 mrmoku: that's WRONG Dec 05 22:08:41 why Dec 05 22:08:49 mrmoku: as phone will be unlocked on every screen tap or button press ;P Dec 05 22:09:02 oh Dec 05 22:09:08 hmm, right you are :P Dec 05 22:09:15 that's... not good. Dec 05 22:09:23 force with me is :P Dec 05 22:09:55 hmm Dec 05 22:11:05 either way Dec 05 22:11:14 mrmoku, we should probably use e-bindings Dec 05 22:11:29 to do the dbus call to phoneuid? Dec 05 22:11:36 yeah, mayybe Dec 05 22:11:44 e-bindings handled by phonefsod? Dec 05 22:11:48 :/ Dec 05 22:11:51 dos1: nah Dec 05 22:12:02 ah Dec 05 22:12:03 ok Dec 05 22:12:04 well Dec 05 22:12:05 dos1: Aux key bound to a dbus call Dec 05 22:12:23 still... we're depending on e configuration then... Dec 05 22:12:43 why not on dbus signal from fsodeviced? Dec 05 22:12:50 better proposal? Dec 05 22:13:02 dos1, because this is not easily user configurabel Dec 05 22:13:05 dos1, with your suggestion Dec 05 22:13:08 Weiss: packages libdrm and libdrm2 conflict with each other Dec 05 22:13:12 it's how shr-today works now Dec 05 22:13:12 a user will have to scan the entire system Dec 05 22:13:19 in order to change a keyboard binding Dec 05 22:13:22 dos1, which sucks... Dec 05 22:13:27 and there is conf option for that Dec 05 22:13:28 a user will have to scan the entire system Dec 05 22:13:29 ;P Dec 05 22:13:29 in order to change a keyboard binding Dec 05 22:13:39 dos1, although Dec 05 22:13:58 Weiss: maybe the glamo_drv.so needs an upgrade not to use libdrm_glamo.so? Dec 05 22:13:59 find / -exec sed s/AUX/#AUX/ {} \; Dec 05 22:14:01 is fun Dec 05 22:14:17 but using e bindings feels bad to me ;x Dec 05 22:14:18 I bet users will prefer to avoid that in order to set their own setting for the aUX button :P Dec 05 22:14:21 TAsn: "org.freesmartphone.PIM.Dates", signal_name="NewDate" Dec 05 22:14:24 dos1, to me as well. Dec 05 22:14:24 is missing in your list Dec 05 22:14:41 Wonka: hmm.. the name is just a name - there only exists libdrm 2.x.x in our world - but your glamo_drv.so needs to be linked against the correct .so, so yes, possibly.. Dec 05 22:14:43 * Wonka would like a new date as well Dec 05 22:14:50 maybe that was time was about and I just misunderstood him? :P Dec 05 22:15:00 can't be Dec 05 22:15:00 doh. i think i just removed all of my navit configs :/ Dec 05 22:15:08 I took it from his code Dec 05 22:15:10 (c code) Dec 05 22:15:19 well, I guess i'll have to add it Dec 05 22:15:23 add it to my todo please :P Dec 05 22:15:26 playya: tja, verspielt Dec 05 22:19:16 TAsn: hmm Dec 05 22:19:22 TAsn: PHONEUI_IDLE_SCREEN_REFRESH_TASKS, Dec 05 22:19:26 maybe that is it? Dec 05 22:19:37 as there is no such thing Dec 05 22:19:38 no Dec 05 22:19:55 probably then Dec 05 22:19:57 sec I'll tell you. Dec 05 22:20:01 maybe there is... but not in the api :P Dec 05 22:20:11 yeah, in his code it is Dec 05 22:20:12 self.tasksproxy = dbus.Interface(self.bus.get_object('org.freesmartphone.opimd',\ Dec 05 22:20:12 '/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Tasks'), dbus_interface='org.freesmartphone.PIM.Tasks') Dec 05 22:20:15 so missing in the api Dec 05 22:20:26 and dos is gone :P Dec 05 22:20:49 Date is not supported in shr-today yet. Dec 05 22:20:55 that's why it's not in my list Dec 05 22:20:58 (just checked) Dec 05 22:21:05 but he listens to it Dec 05 22:21:08 my list is definitive :P Dec 05 22:21:10 mrmoku, but look Dec 05 22:21:12 he doesn't use it. Dec 05 22:21:24 well don't expect me to read python code :P Dec 05 22:21:32 I'm just looking at the begining Dec 05 22:21:38 where he registers to signals Dec 05 22:22:00 ok, will not take care about dates then Dec 05 22:28:26 python is so easy Dec 05 22:35:26 ok, I think I'll be going now. Dec 05 22:35:27 ciao. Dec 05 22:35:37 TAsn: wait Dec 05 22:35:49 TAsn: PhoneUiInfo or PhoneInfo? Dec 05 22:35:59 (name of the struct) Dec 05 22:36:06 struct that does what? Dec 05 22:36:19 that contains count of missed calls... provider... and such Dec 05 22:36:20 the info Dec 05 22:36:30 huh? Dec 05 22:36:34 provider? Dec 05 22:36:43 name of the network Dec 05 22:36:44 I think I completely missed you. Dec 05 22:36:50 well Dec 05 22:36:51 explain from the start :P Dec 05 22:37:02 phoneui-info will cache the info, no? Dec 05 22:37:03 who'll use it and how? Dec 05 22:37:10 so that when the idle screen starts Dec 05 22:37:15 it can just provide it with it Dec 05 22:37:24 it loads the info once on startup Dec 05 22:37:28 via init Dec 05 22:37:37 and then keeps it up to date via signals Dec 05 22:37:40 no? Dec 05 22:37:57 mrmoku, loads on start by asking and then stays up to date via signals Dec 05 22:38:03 I mean, I don't think we should cache it. Dec 05 22:38:16 The idle screen will get saved anyway Dec 05 22:38:25 ah Dec 05 22:38:33 so no real reason why to cache the info twice Dec 05 22:38:35 (in my pov) Dec 05 22:38:37 don't you agree? Dec 05 22:38:53 probably maybe :P Dec 05 22:39:03 caching mostly leads to errors Dec 05 22:39:07 if idle screen saves the info, then yes Dec 05 22:39:09 (old info) Dec 05 22:39:13 mrmoku, it does. Dec 05 22:39:19 I just thought that Idle screen does not need it Dec 05 22:39:21 idle screen is never deleted after initial creation Dec 05 22:39:35 as it should probably be really fast. Dec 05 22:39:35 it just sets the widgets Dec 05 22:39:41 mrmoku, exactly. Dec 05 22:39:56 hmm Dec 05 22:40:02 thinking about it... Dec 05 22:40:04 no need to save it beyond that. Dec 05 22:40:06 you're probably right Dec 05 22:40:06 think ahead. Dec 05 22:40:14 cool :P Dec 05 22:40:18 but then Dec 05 22:40:26 there is missing some update type Dec 05 22:40:31 like? Dec 05 22:40:37 as provider and signal strength come via different signals Dec 05 22:40:48 and we just have GSM Dec 05 22:41:04 so yes Dec 05 22:41:06 we need both. Dec 05 22:41:22 I had no idea and slyon said he's alright with that. :P Dec 05 22:41:33 hehe Dec 05 22:41:36 btw ATM (will change) he doesn't even allow us to pass him info Dec 05 22:41:52 oh yes, that will change :P Dec 05 22:42:00 anything else is stupid Dec 05 22:42:05 yeah. Dec 05 22:42:53 Only thing to wonder about ATM Dec 05 22:43:16 is whether to specifically ask for info on init (in idle screen) Dec 05 22:43:21 or just init in phoneuid Dec 05 22:43:27 (libphoneui) Dec 05 22:43:37 and pass "fake" init signals Dec 05 22:43:43 that contain the real values. Dec 05 22:43:56 hmm Dec 05 22:43:59 the second option will make it easier for backend programmers Dec 05 22:44:08 as they'll have less to think about. Dec 05 22:44:09 are we sure the idle screen is already there? Dec 05 22:44:17 well we have to make sure then Dec 05 22:44:17 after we init? Dec 05 22:44:20 yes, it's sync. Dec 05 22:44:27 (init) Dec 05 22:44:57 yeah, then we should just feed it with signals Dec 05 22:45:13 cool, that's what I thought. Dec 05 22:45:18 ok, I'll talk to you tomorrow. Dec 05 22:45:22 ok Dec 05 22:45:24 cu Dec 05 22:45:26 going to watch alice in wonderland Dec 05 22:45:40 have fun Dec 05 22:45:47 (preparing myself to tim burton's sequel) Dec 05 22:45:49 :P Dec 05 22:46:01 * mrmoku is going to watch his pillow :P Dec 05 22:46:03 thanks, if you need me, I'm one beep away. Dec 05 22:46:07 cool Dec 05 22:46:08 night. :P Dec 05 22:46:12 night Dec 05 22:46:15 all Dec 05 22:49:32 * Sharwin_F trying to write some kind of bluetooth manager Dec 05 23:01:26 * pieterc 's echo $((SECONDS/3600)) returns 12 Dec 05 23:09:31 Sharwin_F: there's already blueman, why do you need another one? Dec 05 23:09:48 PaulFertser, go elementary! :P Dec 05 23:09:57 Sharwin_F: ah, i see :) Dec 05 23:10:00 Toolkit war Dec 05 23:10:24 well, just an excuse to learn elementary and such :P Dec 05 23:29:55 TAsn: still here? Dec 05 23:31:20 <[Rui]> Sharwin_F: Elementary is cool, but it has recently gained a nasty bug coming all the way from ecore. I'm (slowly) looking up into it Dec 05 23:32:06 [Rui], what's the bug about? Dec 05 23:32:38 <[Rui]> Sharwin_F: as soon as an elm_entry is wrappable, sizing goes nuts Dec 05 23:32:48 :S Dec 05 23:32:53 <[Rui]> Sharwin_F: anchorblocks contain entries Dec 05 23:33:03 <[Rui]> many other do as well Dec 05 23:33:25 <[Rui]> labels, etc... Dec 05 23:34:26 * [Rui] hopes http://pastebin.com/m2e9f1d53 is according to naming conventions... Dec 05 23:35:14 [Rui], good luck then :) Dec 05 23:35:42 [Rui], of course. Dec 05 23:35:58 but please make it quick. Dec 05 23:36:24 <[Rui]> TAsn: push quick? Dec 05 23:36:58 what? Dec 05 23:37:08 TAsn: still here? Dec 05 23:38:14 <[Rui]> TAsn: sry, it was just to check on whether it was according to naming conventions, which you did, so thanks :) Dec 05 23:38:32 huh? I didn't do anything Dec 05 23:38:33 currently in SHR unstable, xf86-video-glamo depends on libdrm, xserver-xorg-extension-dri, xserver-xorg-extension-dri2. the latter two depend on libdrm2. libdrm and libdrm2 both contain /usr/lib/libdrm.so.2 and therefore conflict with one another. Dec 05 23:38:36 ok, you agre getting weird. Dec 05 23:38:46 anyhow, I'll just go to sleep :P Dec 05 23:38:48 ciao. Dec 05 23:38:55 worst case if they won't be we'll change em. Dec 05 23:38:56 night. Dec 05 23:38:56 <[Rui]> TAsn: ciao! Dec 05 23:38:59 I got no working X on shr unstable at the moment :( Dec 05 23:39:05 :( Dec 05 23:39:15 sounds like it needs a clean rebuild.. Dec 05 23:39:37 like "make clobber"? Dec 05 23:40:20 [Rui], hmm do you know how searc functions in Eina_list work? like this one: eina_list_search_unsorted(const Eina_List *list, Eina_Compare_Cb func, const void *data); Dec 05 23:41:10 I don't understand how can I know if data isn or not inside there :S Dec 05 23:41:48 Wonka: I mean I suspect there were old versions libraries hanging around when things were built, and binaries ended up getting linked against the wrong versions Dec 05 23:42:03 if you're building locally, try just rebuilding xserver-xorg-extension-dri etc? Dec 05 23:42:58 I am going to bed sometime soon anyway, so I can just do a make clobber anyways Dec 05 23:43:46 <[Rui]> Sharwin_F: I suspect you will have to make a function respecting the prototype defined for func. That function will likely have a "list item", and data Dec 05 23:43:58 <[Rui]> data could be what you want func to compare "list item" with Dec 05 23:44:25 yeah, but there's no return value to know if the funct return true or false... Dec 05 23:44:44 <[Rui]> for instance, eina_list_search_unsroted(list, test_for_bigger_than, &intValue) Dec 05 23:45:02 Wonka: possibly the xf86-video-glamo bits got linked against the old libdrm, then you updated libdrm and rebuilt other stuff and need to rebuild xf86-video-glamo? Dec 05 23:45:06 it's EAPI void * Dec 05 23:45:25 Weiss: I already rebuilt and reinstalled that Dec 05 23:45:30 <[Rui]> Sharwin_F: so that function will likely set some value somewhere on your data, which will get tested after Dec 05 23:45:32 that means it will return the same my callback func? Dec 05 23:49:10 <[Rui]> EAPI void *eina_list_search_unsorted(const Eina_List *list, Eina_Compare_Cb func, const void *data); Dec 05 23:50:19 <[Rui]> typedef int (*Eina_Compare_Cb) (const void *data1, const void *data2); Dec 05 23:51:05 <[Rui]> I'd say the problem here is which is which, but either data1 is the list item or the data you sent it... you'd have to test. Dec 05 23:51:17 <[Rui]> Sharwin_F: I haven't dwelved into most Eina data types yet :) Dec 05 23:51:44 <[Rui]> Sharwin_F: but it would be useful to do so, in order to lightenup elmdentica so it doesn't require much of glib :) Dec 05 23:58:42 Wonka: are the two different libdrm versions actually mentioned in the recipes? Dec 05 23:58:49 i.e. one libdrm, the other libdrm2? Dec 05 23:58:59 Weiss: dunno. Dec 06 00:16:07 <[Rui]> good night, all Dec 06 00:26:29 pieterc: I don't know if your upgrade of elmdentica will give you a proper working app :) Dec 06 00:26:45 it does :) Dec 06 00:26:48 I'm using it atm :) Dec 06 00:27:19 ok, good.... Dec 06 00:27:20 although when clicked elsewhere i can't scroll enymore Dec 06 00:27:41 are you okay with me opening some issues or is that considered whining;) Dec 06 00:27:50 pieterc: the thing is... there's a few bugs from EFL that affect it seriously Dec 06 00:27:59 of course, they're there for that Dec 06 00:28:01 right, that's what i thought Dec 06 00:28:25 and the bitbake build test is just about finished, so regardless of it's success I'll go to bed Dec 06 00:28:33 ok Dec 06 00:28:36 well goodnight Dec 06 00:28:38 and thanks Dec 06 00:28:49 one day i might send in patched Dec 06 00:28:57 but as I got exams soon Dec 06 00:29:09 this might not be before fosdem ;) Dec 06 00:30:32 hehehe Dec 06 00:38:51 Rui|zZz: I'm checking out the code Dec 06 00:39:17 should not be that hard to put the browser preferences in a config file Dec 06 01:02:41 is fso-abyss more current, or fso-gsm0710muxd? Dec 06 01:06:49 ok, package description says fso-abyss is successor to fso-gsm0710muxd - but no "Replaces:" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 06 02:59:58 2009