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Dec 06 04:01:43 <river_> hi
Dec 06 04:07:16 <gonzoism> hi
Dec 06 04:09:34 <river_> i am a newbie to SHR need some help
Dec 06 04:10:06 <river_> about the wireless connection
Dec 06 04:10:31 <gonzoism> ok
Dec 06 04:10:34 <river_> could you please help me?
Dec 06 04:10:39 <river_> thanks
Dec 06 04:10:53 <gonzoism> you ask, and i'll answer, if i can
Dec 06 04:11:15 <river_> i am using SHR Lite
Dec 06 04:11:28 <river_> how can I setup wireless network?
Dec 06 04:11:46 <gonzoism> have you turned on the antenna ?
Dec 06 04:12:02 <gonzoism> that is under settings.
Dec 06 04:12:09 <river_> yes
Dec 06 04:12:17 <river_> when I go to "seeting"
Dec 06 04:12:20 <river_> setting
Dec 06 04:12:33 <gonzoism> k
Dec 06 04:12:34 <river_> there are strange messages
Dec 06 04:13:40 <river_> stopped running unexpectedly
Dec 06 04:13:40 <river_> something like that
Dec 06 04:13:48 <gonzoism> its probably ok.
Dec 06 04:13:56 <gonzoism> choose quit
Dec 06 04:14:31 <gonzoism> oh, yeah, stopped running unexpectedly.  yah.  about the frameworkd or something.  fso maybe.  ya, i've seen those.
Dec 06 04:14:48 <river_> there is a "close" button
Dec 06 04:14:48 <river_> after I pressed it
Dec 06 04:14:48 <river_> it back to main screen
Dec 06 04:14:55 <gonzoism> anyways, if your wifi antenna is on, you can then connect to net.   
Dec 06 04:15:02 <gonzoism> see mokoconnect in main screen ?
Dec 06 04:15:25 <river_> there are only 9 icons
Dec 06 04:15:36 <river_> no mokoconnect...
Dec 06 04:15:46 <gonzoism> how about vala-terminal ?
Dec 06 04:15:51 <river_> yes
Dec 06 04:15:59 <river_> i can invoke it
Dec 06 04:16:04 <gonzoism> yep
Dec 06 04:16:17 <gonzoism> do you know your essid name ?
Dec 06 04:16:22 <river_> yes
Dec 06 04:16:52 <river_> why can't i go into settings?
Dec 06 04:17:04 <gonzoism> iwconfig eth0 essid YOUR_ESSID_NAME
Dec 06 04:17:08 <river_> the screen dimmed frequentl...
Dec 06 04:17:13 <gonzoism> I don't know.  
Dec 06 04:17:13 <river_> ok
Dec 06 04:17:59 <gonzoism> then run the udhcpc command, and you should be connected.   (assuming you don't need a password to logon to the wifi router)
Dec 06 04:18:08 <gonzoism> udhcpc
Dec 06 04:18:52 <river_> looks like the antenna is not on
Dec 06 04:18:58 <gonzoism> oh
Dec 06 04:19:03 <river_> so i cannot setup eth0
Dec 06 04:19:15 <gonzoism> ok, that is the framework error you were getting (unexpectedly)
Dec 06 04:19:32 <river_> so i need to reflash the rootfs?
Dec 06 04:19:38 <gonzoism> no
Dec 06 04:19:58 <river_> what should i do?
Dec 06 04:20:06 <gonzoism> what image are you using ?
Dec 06 04:20:24 <river_> lite-om-gta02.jffs2
Dec 06 04:20:48 <gonzoism> do you remember where you got it ?
Dec 06 04:20:48 <river_> lite-om-gta02.jffs2
Dec 06 04:20:49 <river_> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/lite-om-gta02.jffs2
Dec 06 04:20:51 <river_> this one
Dec 06 04:20:56 <river_> yes
Dec 06 04:21:31 <gonzoism> ah
Dec 06 04:22:19 <river_> i follow the wifi
Dec 06 04:22:23 <gonzoism> wiki
Dec 06 04:22:24 <gonzoism> :)
Dec 06 04:22:28 <river_> wiki
Dec 06 04:22:31 <river_> yep
Dec 06 04:22:34 <river_> misspell
Dec 06 04:22:52 <gonzoism> yes, very recently, they produced a shr-unstable image that you should use.
Dec 06 04:23:37 <river_> ok, i download unstable rootfs/kernel and try again..
Dec 06 04:23:47 <gonzoism> you can read about it here, if you want:  http://blog.shr-project.org/
Dec 06 04:23:57 <gonzoism> and why are you choosing lite ?
Dec 06 04:24:16 <river_> ha, I guess it may reduce the booting time
Dec 06 04:24:32 <gonzoism> i would choose full, if i were you. should boot the same time.  
Dec 06 04:24:38 <gonzoism> it is more full featured.
Dec 06 04:24:43 <river_> ok
Dec 06 04:25:03 <gonzoism> start downloading, and come back and i'll give you tips while you are downloading, if you want.
Dec 06 04:26:10 <river_> i am downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/full-om-gta02.jffs2
Dec 06 04:26:16 <gonzoism> after you flash that image, to connect to net, turn wifi on in settings, then use mokonnect to scan and connect to wifi.
Dec 06 04:26:20 <gonzoism> that is a good image.
Dec 06 04:26:21 <river_> there are several kernel
Dec 06 04:26:41 <river_> which one is better?
Dec 06 04:26:48 <gonzoism> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin
Dec 06 04:26:51 <gonzoism> second to bottom
Dec 06 04:27:16 <river_> the latest one, ok
Dec 06 04:27:35 <river_> starting downloading now
Dec 06 04:27:37 <river_> :)
Dec 06 04:28:28 <river_> it needs about 6 mins
Dec 06 04:28:41 <gonzoism> also you can edit /etc/frameworkd.conf and search for the word suspend.  if you set it there, it will remember across reboots.  seems to work better for me.
Dec 06 04:28:43 <river_> gonzoism: thank you :)
Dec 06 04:28:51 <gonzoism> i don't know why they are so short.
Dec 06 04:29:22 <gonzoism> river_ my pleasure.  someone helped me just a few weeks ago.  i thanked them too. :)
Dec 06 04:29:44 <river_> gonzoism: yes... the estimate time becomes to 40 mins :(
Dec 06 04:30:15 <gonzoism> heh
Dec 06 04:30:46 <gonzoism> after you install, you should run the stuff it says at the bottom of the blog on it.
Dec 06 04:30:49 <river_> gonzoism: did you ever build SHR by yourself?
Dec 06 04:31:05 <river_> ok, i goto read the blog
Dec 06 04:31:15 <gonzoism> opkg remove -force-depends apm apmd
Dec 06 04:31:17 <gonzoism> opkg install task-fso2-compliance
Dec 06 04:32:17 <gonzoism> well, not bottom of blog,  bottom of that entry about the christmas edition.  that is the one you are using.  shr-unstable facelift blog entry at the top.
Dec 06 04:32:33 <gonzoism> there are a few commands, not just the ones i pasted.
Dec 06 04:32:41 <fredrin> gonzoism: :D 
Dec 06 04:33:03 <gonzoism> :)  ?
Dec 06 04:33:05 <fredrin> do you got a blog? 
Dec 06 04:33:34 <gonzoism> no.   i was pointing him to the blog.shr-project.org
Dec 06 04:33:41 <fredrin> mmkay
Dec 06 04:34:06 <gonzoism> mmmkay
Dec 06 04:35:22 <fredrin> bah, play some quakelive 
Dec 06 04:35:48 <river_> yes, about 5 lines
Dec 06 04:36:07 <river_> gonzoism: thanks, i am downloading
Dec 06 04:40:44 <river_> gonzoism: I tried SHR-testing full
Dec 06 04:40:55 <river_> with wireless networking
Dec 06 04:41:19 <river_> but the signal strength was weak...
Dec 06 04:41:28 <river_> only about 30%
Dec 06 04:41:52 <river_> with the same wireless AP, my laptop get 95%
Dec 06 04:43:09 <gonzoism> the freerunners antenna may be using powersaving modes.
Dec 06 04:43:27 <river_> I see. thanks
Dec 06 04:43:37 <gonzoism> after turning your antenna on, you can go to the vala-terminal, and type:
Dec 06 04:43:42 <gonzoism> ifconfig eth0 down
Dec 06 04:43:50 <river_> down?
Dec 06 04:44:05 <gonzoism> yeah.  hang on, i'm looking for the next command.
Dec 06 04:45:34 <gonzoism> ah !!  i lost all my commands.  i might have them backed up somewhere.  
Dec 06 04:45:52 <river_> bad news
Dec 06 04:47:13 <river_> so you use commands, not gui?
Dec 06 04:48:08 <gonzoism> i use both.  i have a script that runs  iwconfig eth0 essid linksys; udhcpc   faster than vala-terminal.
Dec 06 04:48:21 <river_> yes
Dec 06 04:48:41 <gonzoism> i had a file called cheats.txt with a bunch of commonly used commands in it and i would cat it, and cut and paste what i wanted.  but i lost it.
Dec 06 04:49:01 <river_> hum...
Dec 06 04:49:07 <gonzoism> i will look up that command for you now, since i'll be wanting to make that file again now.
Dec 06 04:49:45 <river_> hope it won't take you too much time
Dec 06 04:50:29 <gonzoism> wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf
Dec 06 04:50:46 <gonzoism> that.  pretty fast ?   that turns up the wifi antenna.
Dec 06 04:51:09 <river_> so first, ifconfig eth0 down; iwconfig eth0 essid ID key xxxx
Dec 06 04:51:50 <river_> what is the sequence of those commands?
Dec 06 04:52:54 <gonzoism> ifconfig eth0 down
Dec 06 04:53:02 <gonzoism> wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf
Dec 06 04:53:07 <gonzoism> ifconfig eth0 up
Dec 06 04:53:24 <gonzoism> iwconfig eth0 essid YOUR_ESSID_NAME
Dec 06 04:53:32 <gonzoism> udhcpc
Dec 06 04:53:45 <gonzoism> then you are connected to net with strong signal.
Dec 06 04:53:59 <river_> thanks
Dec 06 04:54:04 <gonzoism> no problem
Dec 06 04:55:41 <river_> my AP use WPA security
Dec 06 04:55:52 <river_> how can I apply the key?
Dec 06 04:56:11 <river_> I tried before with iwconfig eth0 key s:xxxxxx
Dec 06 04:56:23 <river_> but i got an error message
Dec 06 04:59:20 <river_> flash complete
Dec 06 04:59:25 <river_> now booting
Dec 06 04:59:27 <gonzoism> try iwconfig eth0 enc s:xxxxxxx essid YOUR_ES.
Dec 06 04:59:45 <mwester> That's wep
Dec 06 04:59:50 <gonzoism> oh
Dec 06 04:59:59 <mwester> for wpa you need to run something like wpa_supplicant
Dec 06 05:00:14 <river_> oh..
Dec 06 05:00:20 <mwester> much more complicated; best to have a network manager program handle all that for you.
Dec 06 05:00:29 <river_> yes
Dec 06 05:00:38 <river_> i used the gui
Dec 06 05:00:48 <river_> but it failed
Dec 06 05:03:35 <gonzoism> since re-flashing ?
Dec 06 05:04:14 <gonzoism> you can turn up the antenna speed with eth0 down;wmiconfig and eth0 up, and then use mokonnect.
Dec 06 05:13:33 <river_> gonzoism: it works with no security, Thanks!!!
Dec 06 05:14:29 <gonzoism> no security ?  did you turn wpa off or something ?
Dec 06 05:18:40 <river_> yes
Dec 06 05:18:55 <river_> just for sure the wireless network works
Dec 06 05:19:01 <river_> later I'll turn on it again
Dec 06 05:20:15 <river_> how can I run your script automatically after booting?
Dec 06 05:20:51 <gonzoism> this might help you: http://www.everyjoe.com/newlinuxuser/howto-use-iwconfig/comment-page-1/#comment-1395   
Dec 06 05:21:01 <gonzoism> tells you how to use wpa-supplicant 
Dec 06 05:21:25 <river_> thx
Dec 06 05:23:35 <gonzoism> to run a script automatically after booting, create a file called something like  local.sh in /etc/init.d/    at the top of the file but !#/bin/sh   then on each line, put a command you want to be run.  
Dec 06 05:24:41 <gonzoism> then you have to create symlinks in the runlevel directories.  one in each runlevel you want it to run in.   
Dec 06 05:27:06 <river_> strange
Dec 06 05:27:18 <river_> i found when I reboot the phone
Dec 06 05:27:33 <river_> my settings reset to the original default
Dec 06 05:27:51 <gonzoism> which settings ?
Dec 06 05:27:55 <river_> for example, i turn off auto-dimming
Dec 06 05:28:17 <river_> but it turn on again after reboot
Dec 06 05:28:22 <gonzoism> a lot of mine do that too.  that is why I suggested editing /etc/frameworkd.conf
Dec 06 05:28:36 <river_> ok
Dec 06 05:28:51 <gonzoism> search for "suspend"
Dec 06 05:29:03 <gonzoism> that is the section that has dimming and stuff
Dec 06 05:29:14 <gonzoism> -1 will disable it.
Dec 06 05:29:31 <gonzoism> and the values are in seconds
Dec 06 05:29:36 <river_> looks like all settings
Dec 06 05:29:45 <river_> including wifi antenna
Dec 06 05:29:55 <gonzoism> reboot phone, and it will work from there on.
Dec 06 05:30:04 <river_> ok
Dec 06 05:30:18 <gonzoism> where do you see wifi ?
Dec 06 05:31:02 <gonzoism> i didn't see wifi antenna in there.
Dec 06 05:32:20 <gonzoism> i'm betting you saw the scan section or something.  unless we have different images.
Dec 06 05:32:50 <river_> i mean the wifi settings reset to default after reboot too
Dec 06 05:33:01 <gonzoism> oh, ya
Dec 06 05:33:26 <gonzoism> mokonnect is pretty good.  i like it.  if i were using wpa or wep, i'd probably be using it.  
Dec 06 05:34:26 <gonzoism> when ever i go to friends houses with laptop, i use gui app for it, so i don't have to think about it, and connect fast.
Dec 06 05:35:15 <river_> so you don't have to use wpa_supplicant on CLI?
Dec 06 05:36:57 <gonzoism> yes.  its a command line tool.
Dec 06 05:37:22 <river_> I cannot find the command
Dec 06 05:37:38 <river_> ok
Dec 06 05:37:42 <river_> i found it
Dec 06 05:37:54 <gonzoism> should be in /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant
Dec 06 05:38:20 <gonzoism> also, you can set power settings in /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml and /etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/conf/profiles/default.yaml 
Dec 06 05:38:25 <river_> mokonnect will use wpa_supplicant automatically?
Dec 06 05:38:35 <gonzoism> river_ yep.  
Dec 06 05:38:51 <gonzoism> its totally clicky. :)
Dec 06 05:40:33 <river_> so my problem is all about wifi antenna power control?
Dec 06 05:40:37 <gonzoism> i can't find the command for making the symlinks to run the /etc/init.d/local.sh script run automatically.  its using Sys-V style init scripts.  
Dec 06 05:40:57 <river_> "ln -s " I think
Dec 06 05:41:07 <river_> to create a soft link
Dec 06 05:41:53 <gonzoism> right, but you put them into /etc/rc5.d/    and give the link a number.  a high number.  you want it running after other stuff.
Dec 06 05:42:13 <river_> yes
Dec 06 05:42:16 <river_> I use 99
Dec 06 05:42:52 <gonzoism> :)
Dec 06 05:43:38 <gonzoism> you might be able to find a ifup script somewhere that runs everytime the iface is brought up
Dec 06 05:43:42 <river_> thx, try to reboot to see if the changes exist
Dec 06 05:44:50 <gonzoism> i don't mess with those much.  never have.  not familiar with them.
Dec 06 05:45:43 <river_> but you make notes. that even better
Dec 06 05:47:08 <gonzoism> heh, ya.  too much stuff to remember.
Dec 06 05:48:32 <river_> even I modified /etc/frameworkd.conf
Dec 06 05:48:51 <river_> the settings back to default after reboot
Dec 06 05:48:57 <river_> strange
Dec 06 05:52:02 <gonzoism> yes
Dec 06 05:52:13 <gonzoism> are the settings the same in the file ?
Dec 06 05:53:48 <river_> I am checking
Dec 06 05:54:26 <river_> yes
Dec 06 05:54:41 <river_> I change "suspend" to -1
Dec 06 05:55:16 <gonzoism> is it still like that ?
Dec 06 05:55:22 <river_> yes
Dec 06 05:55:25 <river_> still -1
Dec 06 05:55:28 <gonzoism> is it suspending ?
Dec 06 05:55:38 <river_> I have to test
Dec 06 05:55:39 <gonzoism> shouldn't be.  i did same.  mine doesn't suspend anymore.
Dec 06 05:55:54 <gonzoism> it will suspend if i push power button, or use menu to do it.
Dec 06 05:55:55 <river_> ok, how about auto-dimming?
Dec 06 05:56:21 <gonzoism> i set mine to like 20 or something.  it works.
Dec 06 05:56:28 <gonzoism> for me
Dec 06 05:57:24 <river_> I'll try it later
Dec 06 05:58:22 <river_> how to turn on wifi radio?
Dec 06 05:58:48 <river_> with a config file or CLI
Dec 06 05:58:58 <gonzoism> settings...   i've been trying to find a way to turn it on with bash too.
Dec 06 05:59:07 <gonzoism> do you know python ?
Dec 06 06:00:21 <river_> it's a kind of computer language but I am not familiar to it
Dec 06 06:02:16 <gonzoism> its pretty easy.  i'm not familiar either.  some of the freerunner apps seem to be written in python.
Dec 06 06:02:24 <river_> yes
Dec 06 06:02:43 <gonzoism> there are dbus calls to turn on antennas, but i haven't figured them out yet.
Dec 06 06:04:31 <gonzoism> i don't know how settings is turning it on.  they might be putting a 1 somewhere in /proc/
Dec 06 06:04:45 <river_> maybe
Dec 06 06:05:14 <river_> gonzoism: Do you have the source of the image?
Dec 06 06:06:40 <gonzoism> yes
Dec 06 06:06:46 <gonzoism> i'll look.
Dec 06 06:06:51 <river_> ha
Dec 06 06:06:56 <river_> I look too
Dec 06 06:07:03 <river_> may I know how to get the source?
Dec 06 06:08:43 <river_> I read the article on wiki
Dec 06 06:08:53 <river_> but i can build SHR from scratch
Dec 06 06:09:02 <gonzoism> can or can't ?
Dec 06 06:09:04 <river_> sorrry, can't
Dec 06 06:09:10 <river_> it's a typo
Dec 06 06:09:24 <gonzoism> i couldn't either.  i think i was running out of space
Dec 06 06:09:29 <gonzoism> yes, hang on.
Dec 06 06:09:41 <river_> o
Dec 06 06:09:42 <river_> ok
Dec 06 06:11:48 <gonzoism> i'll give you 3 links for building, developing, and getting an app into the repos/distro:
Dec 06 06:11:55 <gonzoism> http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR
Dec 06 06:12:06 <gonzoism> http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Developing%20SHR
Dec 06 06:12:30 <gonzoism> http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Getting%20started%20developing%20SHR
Dec 06 06:12:58 <gonzoism> http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Howto%20get%20my%20application%20in%20the%20SHR%20feed
Dec 06 06:13:01 <gonzoism> 4 links.  
Dec 06 06:13:14 <river_> thx
Dec 06 06:13:39 <gonzoism> the first one is the one i am following now.  i think it will be the first image i will have made.  i'm pretty sure the others error'd out.
Dec 06 06:14:55 <gonzoism> do me a favor, and document any troubles you have had getting started with that.  i'm trying to write a better howto aimed at people who don't understand the directions there.
Dec 06 06:15:13 <river_> ok
Dec 06 06:15:26 <gonzoism> then give it to me some time.  you have to make them as you go, or you forget about the simple problems you had, because they look so easy looking back
Dec 06 06:15:57 <gonzoism> like, make the notes as you go.
Dec 06 06:16:17 <gonzoism> i think with an easier set of howto's for development, more people will be able to contribute.
Dec 06 06:17:02 <gonzoism> i had troubles starting too.  i think i just didn't have enough room, or maybe the mirrors hadn't updated after that blog entry i sent you earlier.
Dec 06 06:17:31 <gonzoism> today is first day i tried again.  read a lot of stuff since then.
Dec 06 06:17:33 <river_> maybe
Dec 06 06:18:05 <river_> now i need to read the links
Dec 06 06:18:07 <river_> :)
Dec 06 06:18:30 <river_> thank you very much
Dec 06 06:19:06 <gonzoism> :)  i had them bookmarked for weeks.  open each up in a new tab, and bookmark all tabs.  then name that like:  SHR Development  or getting started or something
Dec 06 06:19:25 <gonzoism> you're welcome.  my pleasure.
Dec 06 06:19:50 <river_> gonzoism: may i know where r u from?
Dec 06 06:20:00 <gonzoism> Texas.  how 'bout you ?
Dec 06 06:20:11 <river_> gonzoism: Taiwan
Dec 06 06:20:25 <river_> gonzoism: Your age?
Dec 06 06:20:25 <gonzoism> heh.  they make these there, don't they ?
Dec 06 06:20:33 <river_> yes
Dec 06 06:20:33 <gonzoism> 31, you ?
Dec 06 06:20:49 <river_> but I am not one of them. i don't know them neither
Dec 06 06:20:56 <river_> gonzoism: 36
Dec 06 06:21:12 <gonzoism> fun little phone, isn't it ?
Dec 06 06:21:20 <river_> yes
Dec 06 06:21:43 <river_> gonzoism: so... r u a engineer?
Dec 06 06:22:00 <gonzoism> nah.  cowboy.
Dec 06 06:22:03 <gonzoism> :)
Dec 06 06:22:06 <river_> haha
Dec 06 06:22:24 <gonzoism> you in bangkok ?
Dec 06 06:22:35 <river_> gonzoism: it takes time to learn those stuff
Dec 06 06:22:37 <river_> no
Dec 06 06:22:49 <river_> gonzoism: Taiwan is an island
Dec 06 06:22:54 <gonzoism> time to learn the freerunner stuff ?
Dec 06 06:23:00 <river_> yes
Dec 06 06:23:44 <river_> gonzoism: Bangkok is in Tailand
Dec 06 06:24:18 <gonzoism> oh.  i misread
Dec 06 06:24:32 <gonzoism> thialand. :)
Dec 06 06:24:50 <river_> ya...sorry for my poor english
Dec 06 06:26:18 <gonzoism> nah. i only corrected for you to get better.  doesn't bother me.
Dec 06 06:26:38 <river_> :)
Dec 06 06:26:40 <gonzoism> are you behind the great firewall ?
Dec 06 06:26:48 <river_> no
Dec 06 06:27:02 <river_> so i am unsafe?
Dec 06 06:27:27 <gonzoism> dunno ?
Dec 06 06:27:50 <river_> ha
Dec 06 06:27:54 <gonzoism> oh..  no.  i mean the Great Firewall of China.  
Dec 06 06:28:24 <gonzoism> you know what I am talking about ?
Dec 06 06:28:28 <river_> ha
Dec 06 06:28:39 <river_> i guess i know
Dec 06 06:28:53 <gonzoism> is it rude to mention it to you ?
Dec 06 06:29:06 <river_> ?
Dec 06 06:29:12 <river_> oh
Dec 06 06:29:19 <river_> i am not
Dec 06 06:29:30 <river_> behind the great firewall
Dec 06 06:30:48 <gonzoism> cool.
Dec 06 06:31:45 <gonzoism> do you know what the name of the settings program is ?
Dec 06 06:31:56 <gonzoism> i guess i can run it and ps ax
Dec 06 06:31:57 <river_> no
Dec 06 06:32:11 <river_> oh, yes
Dec 06 06:32:54 <river_> /usr/bin/shr-settings
Dec 06 06:32:56 <gonzoism> its python.  /usr/bin/shr-settings
Dec 06 06:32:57 <gonzoism> :)
Dec 06 06:33:12 <river_> hum...I think I need to learn python
Dec 06 06:33:29 <gonzoism> i thought the same thing too, about a week ago.
Dec 06 06:33:33 <gonzoism> its pretty easy.
Dec 06 06:33:38 <gonzoism> it looks like
Dec 06 06:33:38 <river_> ok
Dec 06 06:33:55 <river_> like what?
Dec 06 06:34:32 <gonzoism> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Python
Dec 06 06:38:08 <river_> i am downloading the tarball of the rootfs
Dec 06 06:38:34 <river_> if i have time i can check shr-settings
Dec 06 06:38:48 <gonzoism> i am too
Dec 06 06:44:18 <river_> I have to leave. See you next time
Dec 06 06:44:22 <gonzoism> only one instance of "wifi" in that file.  looks like it calls a module.  i grep'd /usr/lib/python-2.6/* -r  for wifi and found nothing.
Dec 06 06:44:23 <gonzoism> ok
Dec 06 06:44:27 <gonzoism> nice chatting.
Dec 06 06:44:38 <gonzoism> found it.
Dec 06 06:44:42 <river_> wow
Dec 06 06:45:22 <river_> where?
Dec 06 06:46:14 <gonzoism>  /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/shr_settings_modules/shr_wifi.py and shr_wifi.pyo
Dec 06 06:46:55 <gonzoism> haven't figured it out yet.  when i do, i'll make a python script that just turns it on, name it wifi_on or something and stick it in /usr/bin/  :)
Dec 06 06:47:33 <river_> nice
Dec 06 06:50:08 <gonzoism> that will take a while, i'm sure.  probably hours.
Dec 06 06:50:30 <river_> it's very fast
Dec 06 06:51:00 <gonzoism> take hours for me to figure out how to write the script.
Dec 06 06:51:37 <gonzoism> what time is it there ?
Dec 06 06:51:44 <gonzoism> noon ?
Dec 06 06:54:10 <river_> 14:53
Dec 06 06:54:15 <river_> yours?
Dec 06 06:57:12 <spaetz> river_, you could try mokonnect for connecting to wifi, it works for some
Dec 06 06:57:38 <gonzoism> 01:00
Dec 06 06:57:48 <spaetz> or just connect manually wth iwconfig, etc
Dec 06 06:58:04 <gonzoism> he is trying to power on the antenna from the command line
Dec 06 06:58:09 <gonzoism> or enable it
Dec 06 06:58:42 <river_> thanks spaetz
Dec 06 06:58:48 <gonzoism> river_ http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/usage-intro.html;hb=HEAD   <--talks about resource handling.  
Dec 06 06:58:59 <gonzoism> like powring on the antenna
Dec 06 06:59:07 <spaetz> wifi antenna?
Dec 06 06:59:38 <river_> yes
Dec 06 07:00:31 <spaetz> the ´slower´call is mdbus, hold on
Dec 06 07:00:31 <gonzoism> i'd like to know too
Dec 06 07:00:57 <spaetz> i ´ll need to fetch my fr...
Dec 06 07:03:19 <spaetz> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled 
Dec 06 07:03:34 <spaetz> this will turn on wifi
Dec 06 07:05:05 <river_> thanks
Dec 06 07:05:13 <gonzoism> spaetz thank you. 
Dec 06 07:05:32 <spaetz> only disadvantage is that mddbus is slow
Dec 06 07:05:43 <spaetz> it´s even faster with
Dec 06 07:06:15 <gonzoism> would mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced  /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi  org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.SetPower 1      would that work too ?
Dec 06 07:07:12 <spaetz> gonzoism, might, but the odeviced stuff are thought to be low level calls
Dec 06 07:07:50 <gonzoism> if you were to use your command, and instead of enabled, use "auto"   what would that do ?
Dec 06 07:07:59 <spaetz> so using that i am not sure if the resource hander won´t be confused
Dec 06 07:09:03 <spaetz> auto means, it is turned off usually, and when someone requires the resource eg with RequeatResource, it gets turned on...
Dec 06 07:09:10 <river_> spaetz: you mean the resource handler confused with odeviced or mdbus?
Dec 06 07:09:20 <gonzoism> where can I read more about this ?
Dec 06 07:09:39 <gonzoism> river_  he means odeviced    i'm pretty sure.
Dec 06 07:09:46 <gonzoism> the one i typed
Dec 06 07:09:54 <spaetz> gonzoism, try docs.freesmartphone.org, it has the dbus api
Dec 06 07:10:06 <spaetz> odeviced
Dec 06 07:11:12 <river_> thx spaetz
Dec 06 07:13:12 <spaetz> this is faster: dbus-send --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.ousaged --type=metho-call --print-reply org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy string:`WiFi`string:`enabled`
Dec 06 07:13:33 <spaetz> mdbus is nice but slow
Dec 06 07:13:53 <gonzoism> spaetz what is the difference between low level calls, and high level calls ?
Dec 06 07:14:59 <spaetz> high level calls are thought for end users and migt do more stuff.
Dec 06 07:15:41 <spaetz> low level calls are usually used by freesmartphone  itself and are just that: low levvel
Dec 06 07:15:55 <spaetz> eg they might turn on power of wifi
Dec 06 07:16:24 <spaetz> but not taking care of the Resource handling
Dec 06 07:16:27 <gonzoism> do high level calls go through something like a handler or something to make its state visible to everything ?  
Dec 06 07:16:41 <gonzoism> and also set up everything else that would need to go with it ?
Dec 06 07:16:56 <gonzoism> is that a good idea of it ?
Dec 06 07:16:57 <spaetz> so when you have eg a rule that prevents suspending while wifi is on...
Dec 06 07:17:31 <spaetz> the former would work, while the low level call might still  suspend
Dec 06 07:17:59 <spaetz> because the resource handler doesn´t know you turned wifi on
Dec 06 07:18:19 <gonzoism> because low level calls skip the resource handler ?
Dec 06 07:18:21 <spaetz> gonzoism, yep
Dec 06 07:18:50 <river_> may I know how slow for a high level call?
Dec 06 07:18:51 <gonzoism> and high level calls go through the resource handler, or do they notify the resource handler as well as do whatever they are told ?
Dec 06 07:19:10 <spaetz> they don´t skip it, they are just part of a sequence of things that a high level call does...
Dec 06 07:19:25 <gonzoism> i see.
Dec 06 07:19:46 <gonzoism> and the high level call is fast or slow ?
Dec 06 07:19:47 <spaetz> river_, there should not be a noticeable difference
Dec 06 07:20:14 <river_> then I should use a mdbus call
Dec 06 07:20:25 <spaetz> gonzoism, loww vs high level call should`t be noticeable
Dec 06 07:20:59 <spaetz> river_,  the mdbus vs the dbus-send command do exactly the same thing
Dec 06 07:21:00 <gonzoism> m in mdbus = managed ?   or what ?
Dec 06 07:21:21 <spaetz> hhey just use a different app to send the dbus call
Dec 06 07:21:54 <river_> but mdbus is slower?
Dec 06 07:22:02 <spaetz> gonzoism, it´s writen in python, rather than c and allows you to explore a dbus interface
Dec 06 07:22:21 <spaetz> river_, yes, several seconds slower :-)
Dec 06 07:22:30 <river_> wow seconds
Dec 06 07:23:00 <spaetz> gonzoism, try the mdbus call above and only use:
Dec 06 07:23:06 <spaetz> mdbus -s
Dec 06 07:23:29 <spaetz> this will show you all possible dbus objects
Dec 06 07:23:54 <gonzoism> what are the numbers ?
Dec 06 07:23:54 <river_> mdbus -s, i'll note it :)
Dec 06 07:23:56 <spaetz> then use mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged
Dec 06 07:24:17 <spaetz> this shows all objects in the ousaged path
Dec 06 07:24:36 <spaetz> then use:
Dec 06 07:25:38 <spaetz> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage
Dec 06 07:26:11 <spaetz> this wil show you the long list of all possible commands you can send
Dec 06 07:26:35 <spaetz> that´s what mdbus is nice for
Dec 06 07:27:47 <gonzoism> and if i wanted to use one of those commands, say: [METHOD]    org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState( s:name )
Dec 06 07:27:59 <gonzoism> what would be the command to make use of that method ?
Dec 06 07:28:05 <gonzoism> or command
Dec 06 07:28:22 <gonzoism> ("Wifi")  ?
Dec 06 07:29:26 <spaetz> mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState WiFi
Dec 06 07:29:42 <river_> gonzoism & spaetz thank you, i need to leave. chat with you next time.
Dec 06 07:29:43 <river_> bye
Dec 06 07:29:58 <gonzoism> bye
Dec 06 07:30:01 <spaetz> or the equivalent dbus-send call wwhich is faster (but uglier syntax)
Dec 06 07:30:04 <spaetz> bye
Dec 06 07:30:31 <gonzoism> and mdbus and dbus can both make high level and low level calls ?
Dec 06 07:31:15 <spaetz> all they do is call a dbus method, they don´t care about high vs low
Dec 06 07:31:47 <spaetz> that is part of frameworkd (the org.freessmartphone.* daaemons)
Dec 06 07:32:19 <spaetz> which receives those dbus calls and reacts to tem
Dec 06 07:32:24 <spaetz> them
Dec 06 07:32:31 <gonzoism> so, yes they can both make both type of calls ?
Dec 06 07:33:02 <gonzoism> as long as they are calling something that has that ability ?
Dec 06 07:34:40 <gonzoism> hmmm
Dec 06 07:35:40 <gonzoism> ok, to write programs that use the devices on the phone, i'll need to make dbus calls, right ?  to read gps data, turn on antennas, and stuff ?
Dec 06 07:36:12 <gonzoism> will C use this as well as python ?
Dec 06 07:39:35 <spaetz> yes they can, as the type of call is not different
Dec 06 07:39:57 <spaetz> just the api interpretes those as high or low level
Dec 06 07:40:06 <spaetz> need to go , bbl
Dec 06 07:42:37 <gonzoism> thanks spaetz
Dec 06 07:54:24 <DocScrutinizer-8> gonzoism: please read fso-resources howto on OM-wiki
Dec 06 07:54:39 <gonzoism> thank you
Dec 06 07:55:26 <DocScrutinizer-8> or was it FAQ rather than howto...
Dec 06 07:58:43 <DocScrutinizer-8> gonzoism: especially note setResourcePolicy is quite deprecated for almost all usual purposes
Dec 06 07:59:03 <gonzoism> oh
Dec 06 07:59:34 <DocScrutinizer-8> compare fsoraw executable
Dec 06 08:07:54 <gonzoism> ^what do you mean by: compare fsoraw executable ?
Dec 06 08:22:21 <DocScrutinizer-8> gonzoism: fsoraw is using the recommended method to handle device activation
Dec 06 08:22:29 <gonzoism> thanks for the wiki suggestion.  
Dec 06 08:23:44 <gonzoism> i was wondering about what the wiki is talking about earlier today.  i think i was wondering about gpsd too.  i'll look for that.  i think its related.    
Dec 06 08:25:21 <gonzoism> i think i got 16 tabs open and i have 2 .pdf's open.  i'm going to go read for a while.  thanks.
Dec 06 08:26:33 <gonzoism> i don't see where it talks about it being deprecated though.  i'm probably on the wrong wiki page.
Dec 06 08:27:21 <gonzoism> i will search for it though and see if i can find it
Dec 06 08:32:54 <DocScrutinizer> gonzoism: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources
Dec 06 08:33:19 <DocScrutinizer> gonzoism: ""...  While not recommended, it is possible to switch from automatic resource control to manual control by calling SetResourcePolicy ...""
Dec 06 08:45:18 <gonzoism> i was on the right page, just didn't understand your reference.  thanks !
Dec 06 09:03:05 <JaMa> do somehow have this bb file? http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2009-December/002612.html
Dec 06 09:03:12 <JaMa> it says deleted
Dec 06 09:03:16 <JaMa> I already bumped svnrev
Dec 06 09:03:29 <JaMa> but I wanted to check bb difference
Dec 06 09:07:09 <JaMa> ah found it
Dec 06 09:12:50 <von_fritz> configure error for the wizard , No package 'enlightenment' found
Dec 06 09:17:28 * Weiss discovers the debug mode of Qi
Dec 06 09:56:45 <playya_> moin
Dec 06 10:42:13 <von__fritz> keyboard is outside of screen using latest shr-unstable :(
Dec 06 10:45:27 <DocScrutinizer51> heh
Dec 06 10:45:35 <DocScrutinizer51> cool XD
Dec 06 10:46:22 <playya_> same for the n900. but it's intentional
Dec 06 10:46:27 <DocScrutinizer51> more space to display more important things ;)
Dec 06 10:46:49 <DocScrutinizer51> playya_, hahaha
Dec 06 10:47:11 <DocScrutinizer51> playya_, not always
Dec 06 10:47:17 <von__fritz> impossible to set password ...unusable :(
Dec 06 10:48:07 * von__fritz better goes to install christmas-lights :) 
Dec 06 10:48:35 <playya_> von__fritz, du you build you own image?
Dec 06 10:49:23 <playya_> s/you/your/
Dec 06 10:53:14 <spaetz_> ahh, outch, that is bad
Dec 06 10:57:47 <von__fritz> playya_  yes local build with latest changes
Dec 06 10:58:27 <playya_> you maybe want to use my small patch: http://pastebin.com/f2ae536b1
Dec 06 10:58:41 <playya_> you have to adjust the path
Dec 06 11:01:05 <von__fritz> ok wil try, but after christmas-lights installation ;)
Dec 06 11:01:14 <playya_> no
Dec 06 11:01:49 <playya_> start the build before the installation and you'll have a lightening image after the installation ;)
Dec 06 11:02:12 <von__fritz> :)
Dec 06 11:03:34 <[Rui]> morning
Dec 06 11:34:17 <playya_> !logs
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Dec 06 11:34:25 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
Dec 06 11:41:34 <Sup3rkiddo> hi, do the shr-testing-images have some sort of password? I am not able to ssh in with the blank password (the manual in the wiki says nothing about it)
Dec 06 11:43:20 <JesusMcCloud> !logs
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Dec 06 11:43:50 <JesusMcCloud> morning
Dec 06 11:45:43 <playya_> moin JesusMcCloud 
Dec 06 11:46:58 <Sup3rkiddo> got it :/
Dec 06 11:47:29 <JesusMcCloud> moin. can anyone confirm the keyboard issue (or is there stuff that's not in feed)?
Dec 06 11:52:31 <BillK_> JesusMcCloud: yes, mine is stuffed :( - image updated and built just a few hours ago.
Dec 06 11:54:48 <JesusMcCloud> I'd like to know if the buggy illume is also in feeds... although if i think i bout it... why update, since it runst just great
Dec 06 11:54:54 <BillK_> JesusMcCloud: opkg updated yesterday, was ok, todays update has keybourd off screen
Dec 06 11:55:09 <JesusMcCloud> BillK_, k.. thanks
Dec 06 11:55:37 <PaulFertser> Sup3rkiddo: openssh doesn't allow blank passwd
Dec 06 11:56:14 <Sup3rkiddo> PaulFertser, yeah got it
Dec 06 11:56:14 <PaulFertser> :)
Dec 06 11:56:27 <Sup3rkiddo> PaulFertser, did a manual passwd.. Wasn;t aware of this..
Dec 06 12:00:44 <spaetz> Sup3rkiddo, do fix the wiki manual...
Dec 06 12:01:12 <Sup3rkiddo> spaetz, oh, yeah.. une moment
Dec 06 12:02:10 <Sup3rkiddo> so just to confirm, its the openssh on the host that is preventing me to login with a blank password (or) is there a default non-blank password for the shr images
Dec 06 12:03:59 <dos1> Sup3rkiddo: there is default non-blank password in shr images, but you're supposed to change password at first boot wizard...
Dec 06 12:04:32 <Sup3rkiddo> dos1, I see, strangely I didn;t get such a prompt
Dec 06 12:04:41 <Sup3rkiddo> this is from Dec 4 images
Dec 06 12:05:11 <dos1> oh, that image is first from EFL bump?
Dec 06 12:05:19 <dos1> if yes, then shr-wizard is broken in that image ;P
Dec 06 12:05:27 <dos1> next image should have it fixeds
Dec 06 12:05:28 <dos1> -s
Dec 06 12:05:56 <Sup3rkiddo> ah ok
Dec 06 12:06:02 <Sup3rkiddo> thanks
Dec 06 12:10:58 <CIA-53> SHR: 03jensseidel 07shr-settings * r54440c46a4d3 10/data/po/de/shr-settings.po: Merge German translation with POT file
Dec 06 12:11:09 <CIA-53> SHR: 03jensseidel 07shr-settings * rf89826b0d132 10/data/po/de/shr-settings.po: German translation update
Dec 06 12:11:09 <CIA-53> SHR: 03jensseidel 07shr-settings * r4436aff858a8 10/shr_settings_modules/ (module.py shr_phoneutils.py): Fixed two typos
Dec 06 12:51:26 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r78242270153c 10/docs/frameworkd.conf.sample: docs: add NOTE
Dec 06 13:44:09 <dos1> mrmoku|away, TAsn, Ainulindale, others: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/shr-trac.png - what do you think?
Dec 06 13:46:22 <PaulFertser> dos1: kde sucks and the fonts are awful
Dec 06 13:46:24 <PaulFertser> ;)
Dec 06 13:46:31 <dos1> ;D
Dec 06 13:46:50 <[Rui]> dos1: nice, but could you make the background perhaps not so dark?
Dec 06 13:46:59 <dos1> i didn't change fonts on site ;)
Dec 06 13:48:15 <dos1> [Rui]: i used color from style guide
Dec 06 13:48:45 <dos1> but this is very first version of css file, done in few minutes :P
Dec 06 13:48:51 <dos1> so everything can change
Dec 06 13:48:58 <[Rui]> dos1: forgive my ignorance, please. what style guid?
Dec 06 13:49:20 <[Rui]> dos1: it looks good, and maybe what I felt comes from my light headache
Dec 06 13:49:26 <[Rui]> it felt agressive on my eyes
Dec 06 13:49:32 <dos1> [Rui]: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-logo.tar.gz
Dec 06 13:50:05 <[Rui]> the contrast is quite shocking 
Dec 06 13:51:24 <[Rui]> ok, suggestion (which won't go against the style guide)... 
Dec 06 13:51:36 <[Rui]> keep the header section with the logo and toolbar dark
Dec 06 13:51:55 <[Rui]> but the main text, a soft light color background with dark text
Dec 06 13:53:01 <[Rui]> I don't even know if trac's html+css is flexible for this
Dec 06 13:53:09 <dos1> well, personally i (and my eyes :P) prefer light fonts on dark background
Dec 06 13:53:13 <dos1> so people are different on that
Dec 06 13:53:51 <PaulFertser> dos1: traditional console is light text on dark backround.
Dec 06 13:53:53 <dos1> though i agree background can be little too dark
Dec 06 13:54:02 <dos1> PaulFertser: yup ;)
Dec 06 13:54:19 <PaulFertser> dos1: my fbreader shows green on black, the old-school style :)
Dec 06 13:55:14 <[Rui]> dos1: on console, yes, but for reading web pages it's good to bring the main content into focus
Dec 06 13:55:54 <dos1> [Rui]: that's why i don't like white backgrounds - they hurt in my eyes instead of helping it reading ;P
Dec 06 13:56:01 <dos1> s/it/in/
Dec 06 13:56:02 <apt> dos1 meant: [Rui]: that's why i don't like whine backgrounds - they hurt in my eyes instead of helping it reading ;P
Dec 06 13:56:04 <[Rui]> I didn't say white!
Dec 06 13:56:05 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: i'm not sure. i use emacs-w3m a lot :)
Dec 06 13:56:08 <[Rui]> I said soft light color
Dec 06 13:56:10 <dos1> hmm
Dec 06 13:56:15 <dos1> ;x
Dec 06 13:56:27 <dos1> so s/white/light/ :P
Dec 06 13:56:35 <JesusMcCloud|a> dos1, i think ti is nice as it is
Dec 06 13:57:06 <[Rui]> I think it's the not quite black background
Dec 06 13:57:25 <[Rui]> it doesn't make a balanced contrast with a lot of white text
Dec 06 13:57:33 <JesusMcCloud> dos1, for clarification. i like your proposal
Dec 06 13:58:00 <[Rui]> me too, but the lines of white text seems to merge with one another.
Dec 06 13:58:26 <[Rui]> I'm feeling it hard to focus on one line because of all the light on the lines above and below
Dec 06 13:58:44 <[Rui]> but, as I said, I'm with a light headache, so I may be with over light sensitiveness
Dec 06 14:01:00 <CIA-53> SHR: 03rms 07libphone-ui-shr * r13d55d501444 10/src/view/quick-settings-view.c: Placeholder functions for doing the real work.
Dec 06 14:01:04 <CIA-53> SHR: 03rms 07libphone-ui-shr * rdf24fe00a807 10/src/view/ (7 files): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@git.shr-project.org/libphone-ui-shr
Dec 06 14:04:22 * von__fritz wonders what bluz setting is ?? :)
Dec 06 14:04:46 <[Rui]> so, for placeholder functions for settings, just grep -B 1 ^phoneui_utils view/quick-settings-view.c
Dec 06 14:05:44 <[Rui]> von__fritz: that part is still in the works
Dec 06 14:33:21 <[Rui]> TAsn: so, for placeholder functions for settings, just grep -B 1 ^phoneui_utils view/quick-settings-view.c
Dec 06 14:58:39 <DocScrutinizer-8> (white on black) 8 elaborated on that a while ago. black takes ~40mA more power just for video data. Then you need higher backlight brightness to make it legible. it hurts your eyes as the iris opens up on black background so you have less focus depth. and last not least this iris effect together with white bleeding out into black on the rhetina you end up with hight font-pt to get same readability. 
Dec 06 14:58:56 <DocScrutinizer-8> aah, did I mention I don't like it?
Dec 06 15:38:33 <mrmoku> dos1: nice
Dec 06 15:57:14 <mrmoku> [Rui]: what parts of the FSO API do you need?
Dec 06 15:57:27 * mrmoku wants to make sure everything is in place in libframeworkd-glib
Dec 06 15:58:27 <[Rui]> mrmoku: lot's of them, but for now grep -B 1 ^phoneui_utils src/view/quick-settings-view.c will provide a nice list
Dec 06 16:04:54 <mrmoku> [Rui]: ok
Dec 06 16:05:12 <mrmoku> [Rui]: one thing though... we should not use Eina_Bool for phoneui-utils
Dec 06 16:05:20 <[Rui]> mrmoku: really?
Dec 06 16:05:23 <mrmoku> as phoneui-utils is toolkit agnostic
Dec 06 16:05:40 <mrmoku> if one wants to write a backend for gtk or tcltk or whatever
Dec 06 16:05:43 <[Rui]> mrmoku: I can fix that quickly, then. what should I use?
Dec 06 16:05:45 <mrmoku> he has no Eina_Bool
Dec 06 16:05:50 <mrmoku> int?
Dec 06 16:05:53 <[Rui]> ok
Dec 06 16:06:13 <mrmoku> [Rui]: but wait a moment
Dec 06 16:06:44 <mrmoku> [Rui]: we might want to combine all the resource setting ones into one
Dec 06 16:06:55 <mrmoku> something like
Dec 06 16:07:18 <mrmoku> phoneui_utils_resource_set(enum Resource, in)
Dec 06 16:07:23 <mrmoku> or something like that
Dec 06 16:07:28 <mrmoku> TAsn: ping
Dec 06 16:07:30 <[Rui]> I see.
Dec 06 16:07:58 <[Rui]> mrmoku: has the advantage of having less exported functions...
Dec 06 16:08:04 <mrmoku> yup
Dec 06 16:08:23 <mrmoku> and if new resources will come along we just have to add them to the enum
Dec 06 16:09:34 <mrmoku> [Rui]: why did you prefix them with network btw.?
Dec 06 16:10:17 <[Rui]> maybe because I was in the mindset of airplane mode turning all radio off
Dec 06 16:10:23 <[Rui]> radio => network
Dec 06 16:10:40 <mrmoku> ah, ok
Dec 06 16:14:22 <[Rui]> mrmoku: but it can, of course, be dropped
Dec 06 16:14:59 <[Rui]> perhaps the enum's should be something bitwise
Dec 06 16:15:29 <[Rui]> so the memory for one number can be used to remember all these resource settings?
Dec 06 16:17:50 <mrmoku> [Rui]: there should be no need to remember them
Dec 06 16:18:49 <[Rui]> ok
Dec 06 16:19:33 <TAsn> mrmoku, pong
Dec 06 16:19:38 <mrmoku> hey
Dec 06 16:19:53 <mrmoku> we need names for phoneui-utils functions :)
Dec 06 16:19:58 <TAsn> yes.
Dec 06 16:20:07 <TAsn> what are the functionalities?
Dec 06 16:20:12 <mrmoku> phoneui_utils_resource_set/get
Dec 06 16:20:22 <mrmoku> enable/disable?
Dec 06 16:20:43 <TAsn> state_set/get
Dec 06 16:20:50 <TAsn> and you set either
Dec 06 16:20:55 <TAsn> On, Off or Manual
Dec 06 16:21:09 <TAsn> dos1, screenie for shr trac: SUPERSWEET!!!!
Dec 06 16:21:23 <TAsn> omg so cool :P
Dec 06 16:21:31 <mrmoku> phoneui_utils_resource_set_state(enum Resource, enum ResourceState) ?
Dec 06 16:21:49 <TAsn> state_set
Dec 06 16:21:59 <mrmoku> hehe
Dec 06 16:22:00 <mrmoku> ok
Dec 06 16:22:07 <TAsn> enum PhoneUiResource, enum PhoneUiResourceState
Dec 06 16:22:09 <TAsn> :p
Dec 06 16:22:14 <TAsn> mrmoku, it's important
Dec 06 16:22:18 <TAsn> to keep consistency
Dec 06 16:22:23 <mrmoku> TAsn: well... your job to add them :)
Dec 06 16:22:27 <TAsn> otherwise people might confuse
Dec 06 16:22:30 <mrmoku> I'm doing the lfg part
Dec 06 16:22:31 <TAsn> mrmoku, will do :P
Dec 06 16:22:34 <TAsn> of course.
Dec 06 16:22:39 <mrmoku> [Rui]: ^^
Dec 06 16:22:51 <TAsn> that's exactly what I told him.
Dec 06 16:22:51 <mrmoku> [Rui]: phoneui_utils_resource_state_set
Dec 06 16:22:55 <TAsn> :P
Dec 06 16:22:58 <[Rui]> mrmoku: replacing
Dec 06 16:23:37 <TAsn> Main: can't load image '/usr/share/mokomaze/reset-p.png'.
Dec 06 16:23:37 <TAsn> Main: some images was not loaded. Exiting.
Dec 06 16:23:40 <TAsn> mrmoku, mokomaze ^
Dec 06 16:23:57 <mrmoku> oh, rember that
Dec 06 16:24:09 <mrmoku> think there is some dependency not installed
Dec 06 16:24:19 <TAsn> actually
Dec 06 16:24:19 <TAsn> spaetz, mokomaze ^
Dec 06 16:24:19 <TAsn> (It's from testing)
Dec 06 16:24:19 <TAsn> reported by an israeli user.
Dec 06 16:24:22 <mrmoku> sdl-image or something
Dec 06 16:24:46 <dos1> TAsn: saving, reading and fallbacking to default field types works
Dec 06 16:24:56 <dos1> TAsn: now just dbus methods and then - finished :P
Dec 06 16:25:02 <TAsn> yay :P
Dec 06 16:25:11 <TAsn> dos1, give mrmoku the specs please
Dec 06 16:25:15 <TAsn> mrmoku, lfg ASAP ^
Dec 06 16:25:41 <TAsn> dos1, http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/shr-trac.png
Dec 06 16:25:47 <TAsn> btw, when will we have that? :P
Dec 06 16:25:58 <dos1> _CONTACTS_DEFAULT_TYPES = {
Dec 06 16:25:59 <dos1>                           'Phone'   : 'phonenumber',
Dec 06 16:26:01 <dos1>                           'E-mail'  : 'email',
Dec 06 16:26:02 <mrmoku> dos1: talking about specs...
Dec 06 16:26:02 <dos1>                           'Name'    : 'name',
Dec 06 16:26:04 <dos1>                           'Surname' : 'name',
Dec 06 16:26:05 <dos1>                           'Birthday': 'date',
Dec 06 16:26:07 <mrmoku> dos1: specs for tasks is missing too :P
Dec 06 16:26:08 <dos1>                           'Photo'   : 'photo',
Dec 06 16:26:10 <dos1>                           'Address' : 'address'
Dec 06 16:26:12 <dos1>                           }
Dec 06 16:26:14 <dos1> TAsn: is this good default for contacts domain?
Dec 06 16:26:30 <TAsn> dos1, no
Dec 06 16:26:36 <TAsn> they should appear in the config by default
Dec 06 16:26:44 <TAsn> not hardcoded by default
Dec 06 16:26:53 <TAsn> but other than that (and the fact you didn't use pastebin)
Dec 06 16:26:55 <TAsn> yeah :P
Dec 06 16:27:49 <dos1> TAsn: this way, if config is missing, it's automatically recreated by opimd
Dec 06 16:28:00 <TAsn> I c.
Dec 06 16:28:02 <dos1> TAsn: but if config is there, but - for instance, blank - then defaults aren't used at all
Dec 06 16:28:10 <TAsn> hm.. I think this is sane, yeah ;P
Dec 06 16:28:14 <TAsn> Though I hope they are listed
Dec 06 16:28:17 <TAsn> and deletable
Dec 06 16:28:24 <TAsn> (i.e overwritten by a blank line)
Dec 06 16:28:33 <TAsn> btw
Dec 06 16:28:37 <TAsn> almost forgot
Dec 06 16:28:40 <TAsn> please add
Dec 06 16:29:05 <TAsn> 'object_id': "objectid"
Dec 06 16:29:12 <TAsn> which will be "path" ATM
Dec 06 16:29:19 <TAsn> but hopefully in the future (or even now if possible)
Dec 06 16:29:25 <TAsn> the internal id
Dec 06 16:29:31 <TAsn> i.e for contact in path
Dec 06 16:29:42 <TAsn> /org/freesmartphone/opimd/Contacts/123
Dec 06 16:29:48 <TAsn> (which is my "home" contact)
Dec 06 16:29:54 <TAsn> It'll be 123
Dec 06 16:29:59 <TAsn> ok? :P
Dec 06 16:30:05 <TAsn> default
Dec 06 16:30:13 <TAsn> and undeletable
Dec 06 16:30:18 <dos1> there is now 'Path' field
Dec 06 16:30:47 <dos1> isn't it providing the same? :P
Dec 06 16:30:48 <TAsn> but Path uses the dbus path which sucks...
Dec 06 16:30:58 <TAsn> that'll hopefully replace the Path field
Dec 06 16:31:20 <TAsn> but I don't really care
Dec 06 16:31:23 <TAsn> if you want Path
Dec 06 16:31:25 <TAsn> make it Path
Dec 06 16:31:38 <TAsn> but at least make it a "readonly" always there value.
Dec 06 16:31:45 <dos1> i like dbus path ;P
Dec 06 16:31:49 <TAsn> I hate it.
Dec 06 16:31:50 <dos1> and it's always there already
Dec 06 16:31:53 <TAsn> you work in python
Dec 06 16:31:57 <TAsn> dos1, listed in types?
Dec 06 16:31:59 <dos1> and AFAIR it's readonly
Dec 06 16:32:07 <dos1> listed, but not commited :P
Dec 06 16:32:08 <TAsn> that's what I meant
Dec 06 16:32:19 <TAsn> i.e you'll add it :P
Dec 06 16:32:34 <TAsn> cool :P
Dec 06 16:32:45 <TAsn> anyhow
Dec 06 16:32:48 <TAsn> you like dbus path
Dec 06 16:32:51 <TAsn> because you use python
Dec 06 16:32:56 <TAsn> and processing strings is easy for you
Dec 06 16:33:12 <dos1> there is no need for processing strings when using dbus path for me...
Dec 06 16:33:16 <TAsn> in C you think about strings as annoying *slow* unnatural objects to manipulate
Dec 06 16:33:23 <dos1> i'm just passing whole path as argument to dbus :P
Dec 06 16:33:23 <TAsn> dos1, there is for us...
Dec 06 16:33:40 <TAsn> (we use it internally as an identifier (the id))
Dec 06 16:33:48 <TAsn> and that's why we would really prefer having an int id
Dec 06 16:33:49 <TAsn> :P
Dec 06 16:33:54 <TAsn> easier to search by
Dec 06 16:33:58 <TAsn> and process.
Dec 06 16:34:08 <TAsn> and since you make the path from that
Dec 06 16:34:12 <TAsn> if you can add object_id
Dec 06 16:34:17 <TAsn> that'd be great :P
Dec 06 16:34:52 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r6e3a2ee5d238 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/type_manager.py: opimd: TypeManager: add objectpath type
Dec 06 16:37:11 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r47f1e0de61a9 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: generic: support loading, storing and fallbacking to default field types
Dec 06 16:37:12 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rad6a27cb87ca 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: contacts: define default field types
Dec 06 16:38:07 <dos1> TAsn: in meantime - please give me default types for other domains ;P
Dec 06 16:38:15 <dos1> i'll do dbus stuff
Dec 06 16:44:50 <mrmoku> TAsn: what would that id be made of?
Dec 06 16:45:15 <TAsn> mrmoku, a number.
Dec 06 16:45:20 <TAsn> just a number
Dec 06 16:45:26 <TAsn> easy to manipulate, and nice to have
Dec 06 16:45:40 <TAsn> (the number at the end of Path variable)
Dec 06 16:45:41 <mrmoku> that part I understood :P
Dec 06 16:45:45 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r7fd8917abf2d 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/helpers.py: opimd: helpers: fix typo in dbus error
Dec 06 16:45:56 <mrmoku> soo... id won't be persistent
Dec 06 16:46:03 <mrmoku> just like path is now
Dec 06 16:46:32 <TAsn> what do you mean?
Dec 06 16:46:44 <TAsn> oh, right.
Dec 06 16:46:45 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * re9876b927ae5 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (helpers.py pimd_generic.py type_manager.py): opimd: generic: implement list_fields, add_new_field and remove_field functions
Dec 06 16:46:49 <TAsn> well, id in sqlite will be.
Dec 06 16:46:58 <TAsn> (sqlite will hopefully become the main backend)
Dec 06 16:47:03 <Weiss> AHA
Dec 06 16:47:14 <dos1> a-ha!
Dec 06 16:47:16 * Weiss has pinned the 2.6.31 suspend problem down to a driver
Dec 06 16:47:27 <TAsn> sweet :P
Dec 06 16:47:58 <TAsn> dos1, brb, will do it after One Piece:P
Dec 06 16:48:27 <playya_> is it possible to sync backends?
Dec 06 16:49:21 <dos1> sync backends?
Dec 06 16:50:06 <TAsn> dos1, import and export
Dec 06 16:50:11 <TAsn> from one to the other.
Dec 06 16:50:16 <mrmoku> TAsn: no, sync :P
Dec 06 16:50:16 <dos1> oh, not yet
Dec 06 16:50:22 <playya_> e.g. using sqlite as offline backend and sync with imap (when available) if you are connected to your server
Dec 06 16:50:23 <dos1> but it's on my todo ;p
Dec 06 16:50:33 <dos1> hmm
Dec 06 16:50:37 <TAsn> mrmoku, I know, I just explained what kind of sync...
Dec 06 16:50:47 <TAsn> playya_, your (and mine) concept of how backends should work is different than dos1's :P
Dec 06 16:50:47 <dos1> playya_: not yet
Dec 06 16:51:03 <dos1> TAsn: that's not mine concept ;P
Dec 06 16:51:03 <playya_> ok
Dec 06 16:51:05 <TAsn> He sees them as integral part, we (I) see them as sources
Dec 06 16:51:14 <TAsn> dos1, that's the concept you believe in though.
Dec 06 16:51:23 <dos1> noooo
Dec 06 16:51:44 <dos1> well
Dec 06 16:51:48 <dos1> i wanted to do some online backends
Dec 06 16:52:05 <dos1> but i didn't have time for that, and there are more important things in opimd to fix ;P
Dec 06 16:52:13 <TAsn> yeah.
Dec 06 16:52:17 <TAsn> backends = last
Dec 06 16:52:24 <TAsn> just a bit before the tamagotchi :P
Dec 06 16:52:39 <dos1> :P
Dec 06 16:53:11 <[Rui]> mrmoku: I have to go, I remembered to do a few more things that are interesting to have, but I haven't finished them. I will finish it today, though.
Dec 06 16:53:38 <mrmoku> ok
Dec 06 16:54:17 * [Rui] waves
Dec 06 17:00:02 <dos1> TAsn: it works :)
Dec 06 17:00:12 <TAsn> sweet :P
Dec 06 17:00:20 <dos1> TAsn: everythings seems to be implemented in Contacts domain
Dec 06 17:00:22 <TAsn> with default untouchable items? (just Path)
Dec 06 17:00:26 <TAsn> dos1, cool :P
Dec 06 17:00:41 <TAsn> dos1, isn't everything generic except for defaults?
Dec 06 17:00:46 <dos1> now just copy and pasting dbus methods to others :P
Dec 06 17:01:06 <dos1> TAsn: i didn't find a way to have generic dbus methods over domains
Dec 06 17:01:22 <dos1> TAsn: so i'm wrapping class methods with dbus methods, and copy pasting them ;P
Dec 06 17:01:23 <TAsn> hehe, cool enough :P
Dec 06 17:01:27 <TAsn> hehe.
Dec 06 17:03:22 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r82506e246f90 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: generic: save fields modifications; don't fail on listing when list is None
Dec 06 17:03:24 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rdc0831b79a6d 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: contacts: implement org.freesmartphone.PIM.Fields dbus methods
Dec 06 17:04:48 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r3548104ed600 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: implement org.freesmartphone.PIM.Fields dbus methods
Dec 06 17:05:05 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rfc022a42e5fa 10/src/ (9 files in 3 dirs): 
Dec 06 17:05:05 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: opimd: add PIM.Calls (at least some of it)
Dec 06 17:05:05 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Dec 06 17:05:05 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r8dba2c09dadf 10/src/ (11 files in 3 dirs): 
Dec 06 17:05:06 <dos1> (nice way to bump commits counter on ohloh :P)
Dec 06 17:05:06 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: add signals for PowerSupply and RealtimeClock
Dec 06 17:05:11 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Dec 06 17:05:14 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rdad3d12daa9c 10/src/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 
Dec 06 17:05:17 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: add org.freesmartphone.Preferences and make it compile
Dec 06 17:05:19 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Dec 06 17:06:37 <mrmoku> missing UnfinishedTasks signal (that is missing in the API) and the new fields stuff (missing in the API too)
Dec 06 17:06:40 <mrmoku> bbl
Dec 06 17:06:45 <TAsn> I like what I'm seeing :P
Dec 06 17:07:10 <TAsn> dos1, please provide mrmoku|away with API specs
Dec 06 17:07:12 <TAsn> for types
Dec 06 17:08:04 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r16325ef04956 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: implement org.freesmartphone.PIM.Fields dbus methods
Dec 06 17:08:06 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rf1733be1737a 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_dates.py: opimd: Dates: implement org.freesmartphone.PIM.Fields dbus methods
Dec 06 17:09:15 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r98fe79872ba4 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_notes.py: opimd: Notes: implement org.freesmartphone.PIM.Fields dbus methods
Dec 06 17:10:38 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r6669f486e4ea 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: generic: take care if FieldTypes isn't None on loading
Dec 06 17:11:25 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r7e932a5030b0 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_tasks.py: opimd: Tasks: implement org.freesmartphone.PIM.Fields dbus methods
Dec 06 17:12:31 <dos1> looks like finished :)
Dec 06 17:14:57 <dos1> TAsn: what about default? :P
Dec 06 17:14:59 <dos1> defaults*
Dec 06 17:15:48 <TAsn> haven't made them yet, sec :P
Dec 06 17:16:03 <TAsn> as I don't remember the fields opimd has atm :P
Dec 06 17:16:12 <TAsn> but I guess for messages there's that peer
Dec 06 17:16:38 <TAsn> Timestamp: date
Dec 06 17:16:48 <TAsn> Timezone: timezone
Dec 06 17:17:06 <TAsn> Peer(or whatever): phonenumber
Dec 06 17:17:32 <TAsn> Read: boolean
Dec 06 17:17:38 <TAsn> or flag maybe?
Dec 06 17:17:43 <TAsn> probably boolean is better.
Dec 06 17:18:03 <TAsn> sec, will see what else exists :P
Dec 06 17:18:10 <TAsn> Path is the same
Dec 06 17:18:34 <TAsn> MessageSent: boolean
Dec 06 17:18:51 <TAsn> Content: text? (not long text?)
Dec 06 17:19:16 <TAsn> Direction: no idea :| hard to tell, direction is probably best
Dec 06 17:19:17 <TAsn> but no idea.
Dec 06 17:19:22 <TAsn> Sender: phonenumber
Dec 06 17:19:47 <TAsn> Source: string (I don't think special handling is needed)
Dec 06 17:19:54 <TAsn> Folder: same
Dec 06 17:20:16 <TAsn> all the rest, just make the how you feel
Dec 06 17:20:24 <TAsn> I don't think we need crazy special types for every weird field
Dec 06 17:20:31 <TAsn> you can make stuff boolean/string
Dec 06 17:20:34 <TAsn> in my pov.
Dec 06 17:20:50 <TAsn> Calls:
Dec 06 17:21:05 <TAsn> Ansewered: boolean (intuitive)
Dec 06 17:21:09 <TAsn> Line: int
Dec 06 17:21:14 <TAsn> type: string
Dec 06 17:21:23 <TAsn> or actually
Dec 06 17:21:40 <TAsn> maybe make all the Type/Source etc of type source
Dec 06 17:21:44 <TAsn> that talks about source type
Dec 06 17:21:46 <TAsn> no idea.
Dec 06 17:21:57 <TAsn> That's very dynamic, so it's ok not to think about it through.
Dec 06 17:22:06 <TAsn> hm.. New: boolean
Dec 06 17:22:14 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * raadfd140395b 10/org.freesmartphone.PIM/ (4 files): org.freesmartphone.PIM: add Task, TaskQuery and Tasks interfaces
Dec 06 17:22:15 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * r9dc875882555 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): regen
Dec 06 17:22:16 <TAsn> btw, I just noticed how correct it is to make Timezone: timezone
Dec 06 17:22:18 <TAsn> as
Dec 06 17:22:23 <TAsn> it's  Timezone: IDT
Dec 06 17:22:25 <TAsn> in calls
Dec 06 17:22:28 <TAsn> and +0200
Dec 06 17:22:30 <TAsn> in messages :P
Dec 06 17:22:39 <TAsn> (which are the same when doing a special compare)
Dec 06 17:23:08 <TAsn> rest of the backends: no idea.
Dec 06 17:23:15 <TAsn> Just show me what you get
Dec 06 17:23:18 <TAsn> ffs dos11 
Dec 06 17:23:20 <TAsn> pasting in pm
Dec 06 17:23:21 <TAsn> ok?
Dec 06 17:23:27 <dos11> TAsn: there are livelogs ;p
Dec 06 17:23:31 <TAsn> ok
Dec 06 17:23:34 <TAsn> so watch them ;P
Dec 06 17:23:37 <TAsn> anyhow.
Dec 06 17:23:46 <TAsn> After doing all I've said
Dec 06 17:23:51 <TAsn> please show me what you get
Dec 06 17:23:56 <TAsn> and I'll tell you what I think
Dec 06 17:24:03 <TAsn> is I don't know the values in other backends.
Dec 06 17:25:10 <TAsn> brb
Dec 06 17:26:18 <playya_> dos1, please use ObjectPath. PLEASE
Dec 06 17:26:42 <dos1> playya_: how can i use it, when i don't know how to use it without segfaults? ;p
Dec 06 17:27:42 <dos1> TAsn: isn't string==text?
Dec 06 17:27:57 <playya_> 1st: change the signature to o
Dec 06 17:28:17 <playya_> afair python should do the rest
Dec 06 17:28:27 <dos1> playya_: already tried that
Dec 06 17:28:47 <dos1> and wasted lots of time when trying to search for non working thing
Dec 06 17:28:56 <playya_> afaik ObjectPath should be a subclass of string
Dec 06 17:29:02 <dos1> and accidentally discovered, that changing it back to "s" helps ;P
Dec 06 17:30:15 <playya_> check ./subsystems/opreferencesd/opreferences.py what to do
Dec 06 17:30:23 <JaMa> do we had db3 instead of db4 intentionally?
Dec 06 17:34:53 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * r9e0c0b365f56 10/org.freesmartphone.PIM/ (Makefile org.freesmartphone.PIM.Fields.xml.in): Add org.freesmartphone.PIM.Fields interface
Dec 06 17:37:09 <dos1> playya_: it's some "ret = Service(self, name)" magic...
Dec 06 17:37:55 <playya_> hmm. yes. lets wait until mickey is back and ask him
Dec 06 17:38:33 <tmzt> what is it? python?
Dec 06 17:39:52 <playya_> yes
Dec 06 17:41:01 <TAsn> dos1, yeah.
Dec 06 17:41:07 <TAsn> (string == text)
Dec 06 17:42:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * r7de57ede7bd8 10/org.freesmartphone.PIM/ (Makefile org.freesmartphone.PIM.Types.xml.in): Add org.freesmartphone.PIM.Types interface
Dec 06 17:42:59 <playya_> is it already possible to group contacts?
Dec 06 17:43:39 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * r1ed0850f70bf 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): regen
Dec 06 17:43:50 <dos1> playya_: group contacts?
Dec 06 17:45:34 <TAsn> playya_, in twisted way.
Dec 06 17:45:53 <TAsn> dos1, associate all your work buddies with the group "Work"
Dec 06 17:46:06 <TAsn> playya_, you can name them to the same group (add a  group field)
Dec 06 17:46:09 <TAsn> nothing more than that.
Dec 06 17:46:20 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * r8e2c0a87865c 10/html/index.html: index.html: uncomment links to PIM Tasks interfaces
Dec 06 17:46:28 <dos1> well, what more would you like?
Dec 06 17:46:35 <dos1> you can query by all fields
Dec 06 17:46:48 <TAsn> dos1, defining group entities which mean something
Dec 06 17:46:49 <dos1> so qyery {'Group':'Work'} will work :P
Dec 06 17:46:59 <TAsn> i.e add features to groups.
Dec 06 17:47:08 <TAsn> that can be done by adding "fake" contacts
Dec 06 17:47:15 <TAsn> but that's broken by design.
Dec 06 17:47:32 <TAsn> actually, maybe not.
Dec 06 17:47:43 <TAsn> adding a NotContact field :P
Dec 06 17:48:10 <TAsn> dos1, btw, I think maybe name special handling (like phonenumber) would be searching always in lowercase or something like that :P
Dec 06 17:48:40 <playya_> do you check for recursion in these fields :P
Dec 06 17:49:10 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * r5b9e3865f53e 10/html/index.html: index.html: add links to PIM.Fields and PIM.Types interfaces
Dec 06 17:50:11 <TAsn> playya_, there's no special handling ATM, so no :P
Dec 06 17:50:16 <TAsn> though that's a nice feature
Dec 06 17:50:25 <TAsn> dos1, please add to contacts
Dec 06 17:50:29 <TAsn> Group: group
Dec 06 17:50:38 <TAsn> that'll when searching will support recursion. :P
Dec 06 17:51:08 <TAsn> actually maybe not.
Dec 06 17:51:25 <TAsn> as I'd want to see this by stages
Dec 06 17:51:30 <TAsn> i.e get the childs
Dec 06 17:51:33 <TAsn> and the childs of them.
Dec 06 17:51:34 <TAsn> etc etc.
Dec 06 17:52:16 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * rbb38a04a4a5a 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): org.freesmartphone.PIM.Fields: correct output arguments in Delete method
Dec 06 17:53:30 <dos1> mrmoku|a`: specs done
Dec 06 17:54:55 <dos1> TAsn: i have task for you
Dec 06 17:55:00 <TAsn> ?
Dec 06 17:55:21 <dos1> TAsn: write mail about those field types; some apps will need changes (pisi for instance)
Dec 06 17:55:57 <TAsn> of course.
Dec 06 17:56:11 <TAsn> though please write me a mail with all the default types
Dec 06 17:56:15 <TAsn> and names
Dec 06 17:56:18 <TAsn> and interface
Dec 06 17:56:58 <dos1> TAsn: http://docs.freesmartphone.org/
Dec 06 17:56:59 <dos1> :P
Dec 06 17:57:14 <dos1> that's interface
Dec 06 17:57:26 <dos1> and wait for names and types, will add in few minutes
Dec 06 17:58:05 <TAsn> cool :P
Dec 06 18:05:54 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * rccc572495856 10/src/phoneui-utils.h: Renamed PhoneguiDialogType to PhoneUiDialogType and made it an enum
Dec 06 18:07:02 <TAsn> mrmoku|a`, btw, just thought about it, we are setting resource policies, not states, right? (that's how fso calls them) so should have been resource_policy_set/get
Dec 06 18:09:42 <TAsn> dos1, let me know when it's there.
Dec 06 18:12:25 <pespin> PaulFertser, did you write some part of it, isn't it? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth
Dec 06 18:12:45 <pespin> pidof bluetoothd doesn't match with dbus bluez interface... :S
Dec 06 18:13:03 <pespin> neither on laptop nor Neo
Dec 06 18:16:24 <pespin> http://pastebin.ca/1704467
Dec 06 18:17:39 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r7b3706958538 10/src/ (phoneui-utils.c phoneui-utils.h): add templates for phoneui_utils_resource_policy_set/get
Dec 06 18:18:53 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * rccc572495856 10/src/phoneui-utils.h: Renamed PhoneguiDialogType to PhoneUiDialogType and made it an enum
Dec 06 18:18:54 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * re534e6501f83 10/src/phoneui.h.in: removed the unneeded TIME idle screen refersh option
Dec 06 18:18:55 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * refdc4027fe3e 10/src/ (phoneui-utils.c phoneui-utils.h phoneui.h.in): Merged conflicts when syncing with master.
Dec 06 18:19:03 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r7b3706958538 10/src/ (phoneui-utils.c phoneui-utils.h): add templates for phoneui_utils_resource_policy_set/get
Dec 06 18:19:18 <TAsn> ffs, mrmoku|a` please make it follow libphone-ui only on the master branch ;P
Dec 06 18:21:06 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * r943a4471cf13 10/src/ (10 files): Did some PHONEGUI to PHONEUI renaming
Dec 06 18:21:06 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * r4fd3988e212f 10/src/view/quick-settings-view.c: Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git.shr-project.org/libphone-ui-shr
Dec 06 18:22:05 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r2ccaa16d8e6b 10/src/ (phoneui-utils.c phoneui.h.in): Fixed the hacks that kept it from compiling :P
Dec 06 18:22:48 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r4a80921edcd4 10/src/ (phoneui-utils.c phoneui.h.in): Fixed the hacks that kept it from compiling :P
Dec 06 18:27:36 <PaulFertser> peter-b: sure
Dec 06 18:27:52 <PaulFertser> Sharwin_F: sure
Dec 06 18:27:59 <PaulFertser> Sharwin_F: it used to, i'd say
Dec 06 18:28:51 <PaulFertser> Sharwin_F: what bluez version is that?
Dec 06 18:28:53 <Sharwin_F> PaulFertser, not now, take a look at the pastebin hehe :P
Dec 06 18:29:13 * PaulFertser thinks that pidof hack now needs to be properly fixed...
Dec 06 18:29:29 <Sharwin_F> PaulFertser, newest official release in netbook I think, and in neo whatever version comes with SHR 
Dec 06 18:30:10 <Sharwin_F> PaulFertser, Versió: 4.57
Dec 06 18:30:16 <PaulFertser> Sharwin_F: ok
Dec 06 18:30:42 <tmzt> somebody in #bluez-devel that might help right now
Dec 06 18:30:59 <Sharwin_F> "bluez4 - 4.56-r5.0.4 - Linux Bluetooth Stack Userland V4" in SHR
Dec 06 18:30:59 <tmzt> er #bluez
Dec 06 18:32:04 <PaulFertser> tmzt: they would just say that using pid for that is deprecated...
Dec 06 18:32:13 <PaulFertser> tmzt: i know the "correct" method already.
Dec 06 18:32:14 <Sharwin_F> yay, they just told me
Dec 06 18:32:15 <Sharwin_F> mdbus -s org.bluez / org.bluez.Manager.ListAdapters
Dec 06 18:32:16 <Sharwin_F> :)
Dec 06 18:32:23 <tmzt> ok
Dec 06 18:32:25 <Sharwin_F> this prints it :)
Dec 06 18:32:27 <PaulFertser> tmzt: just pid was so mad convenient.
Dec 06 18:32:36 <tmzt> what did it do?
Dec 06 18:32:40 <tmzt> oh the salt?
Dec 06 18:32:58 <tmzt> I thought this was a process/subprocess issue
Dec 06 18:33:33 <PaulFertser> tmzt: they used pid to make people not hardcode dbus paths. Now they seem to be using something else :)
Dec 06 18:34:09 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r1b003b71bd1d 10/TODO: Updated TODO
Dec 06 18:34:16 <tmzt> yeah
Dec 06 18:34:22 <TAsn> dos1, ping.
Dec 06 18:34:31 <dos1> TAsn: pong
Dec 06 18:34:49 <TAsn> got a link to both interfaces and list of default types?
Dec 06 18:34:55 <TAsn> got anything special you want me to say?
Dec 06 18:37:13 <dos1> TAsn: i already gave you link to interfaces ;P
Dec 06 18:37:27 <TAsn> okie
Dec 06 18:37:29 <TAsn> found that
Dec 06 18:37:30 <TAsn> and types?
Dec 06 18:37:38 <TAsn> avail yet?
Dec 06 18:37:39 <dos1> not yet
Dec 06 18:38:43 <dos1> TAsn: _TYPES = ['objectpath', 'phonenumber', 'address', 'email', 'name', 'date', 'uri', 'photo', 'text', 'longtext', 'boolean', 'timezone', 'generic']
Dec 06 18:38:47 <dos1> it that list ok?
Dec 06 18:39:56 <TAsn> seems ok
Dec 06 18:40:11 <TAsn> you forgot source
Dec 06 18:40:26 <TAsn> I don't know how to call it though
Dec 06 18:40:31 <dos1> do we really want source type?
Dec 06 18:40:36 <TAsn> actually nvm that.
Dec 06 18:40:37 <TAsn> yeah.
Dec 06 18:40:38 <TAsn> nvm.
Dec 06 18:41:02 <TAsn> cool then.
Dec 06 18:41:41 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r3f3cd1fa1d41 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/type_manager.py: opimd: Type Manager: add boolean and timezone types
Dec 06 18:41:48 <TAsn> where to send to? shr-devel and?
Dec 06 18:41:58 <TAsn> (also CCed all the 
Dec 06 18:42:02 <TAsn> pisi devs)
Dec 06 18:44:01 <TAsn> dos1, btw, don't forget about the fixing opimd's db script :P
Dec 06 18:44:13 <TAsn> (searches and destroys "tel:")
Dec 06 18:53:09 <dos1> TAsn: dimming? :P
Dec 06 18:53:34 <TAsn> sec, sending that mail of yours :P
Dec 06 19:00:57 <dos1> TAsn: pm
Dec 06 19:01:14 <TAsn> yeah, saw it.
Dec 06 19:03:20 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rb312383b6639 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: add default field types
Dec 06 19:05:29 <gonzoism> why is suspend set so low by default ?
Dec 06 19:05:36 <gonzoism> surely, every one of us have to ignore diffs in /etc/frameworkd.conf and keep the setting higher ?
Dec 06 19:06:15 <dos1> 60 seconds is so low? ;x
Dec 06 19:06:43 <gonzoism> its 30 seconds right now.
Dec 06 19:06:47 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r2bea02c01025 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: fix copy'n'paste error
Dec 06 19:06:53 <gonzoism> had been 40 for a while.
Dec 06 19:07:17 <gonzoism> but yes, even 60 seconds seems low.  if you don't touch the screen every minute, it goes into sleep.
Dec 06 19:07:36 <dos1> gonzoism: yes, it's 30, but from busy state it's 60 seconds
Dec 06 19:07:52 <dos1> at other timings increased :P
Dec 06 19:08:13 <gonzoism> wouldn't 600 seconds be more reasonable ?
Dec 06 19:08:20 <dos1> when i don't touch screen every minute, then i'm not using it and it should fell asleep
Dec 06 19:08:22 <gonzoism> or 300 ?
Dec 06 19:08:36 <dos1> tell me some usecase of that ;P
Dec 06 19:08:43 <dos1> for me it should suspend as soon as possible
Dec 06 19:08:45 <dos1> to save battery time
Dec 06 19:09:09 <gonzoism> yes, i considered that.  i was thinking there should be different profiles for power usage
Dec 06 19:09:14 <TAsn> dos1, pm, read and comment please :P
Dec 06 19:09:50 <gonzoism> one profile for when you are using it as a phone, and another when you are working on it, playing on it, or reading from it.
Dec 06 19:09:59 <dos1> gonzoism: but can you give me usecase of different power usage?
Dec 06 19:10:08 <dos1> as you can't read from phone with dimmed screen...
Dec 06 19:10:18 <dos1> and suspend is after dim :P
Dec 06 19:10:29 <gonzoism> yes, would you like me to make a list of different values ?
Dec 06 19:11:20 <Q-Master> dos1: add plz also x-icq and x-jabber types
Dec 06 19:11:43 <gonzoism> dimming is also annoying, and might should be set differently.
Dec 06 19:12:04 <gonzoism> of course, lock goes along with that...
Dec 06 19:14:01 <dos1> Q-Master: icq is int, jabber is email
Dec 06 19:14:05 <dos1> that's not type
Dec 06 19:14:12 <dos1> those are fields
Dec 06 19:14:56 <Q-Master> dos1: in vcard they're types
Dec 06 19:15:31 <Q-Master> and jabber is not email
Dec 06 19:15:36 <dos1> it doesn't matter
Dec 06 19:15:36 <Q-Master> definitely
Dec 06 19:15:43 <Q-Master> it does
Dec 06 19:15:51 <dos1> those types are internal database structure
Dec 06 19:15:52 <dos1> :P
Dec 06 19:15:57 <dos1> and for matching
Dec 06 19:16:01 <Q-Master> so&
Dec 06 19:16:02 <Q-Master> ?
Dec 06 19:16:03 <dos1> you don't need other type for email and jabber
Dec 06 19:16:11 <dos1> as it's built in exactly the same way
Dec 06 19:17:00 <dos1> well, maybe it would be nice to have for UI apps... we'll think about it
Dec 06 19:17:02 <dos1> TAsn: ^^^
Dec 06 19:18:36 <TAsn> dos1, I think in these cases
Dec 06 19:18:41 <TAsn> choosing the field name
Dec 06 19:18:44 <TAsn> X-ICQ
Dec 06 19:18:47 <TAsn> will be saner
Dec 06 19:19:00 <TAsn> X-ICQ type string
Dec 06 19:19:06 <TAsn> X-Jabber type email
Dec 06 19:19:15 <TAsn> as matching ICQ numbers is like matching strings
Dec 06 19:19:26 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r6b3dbef5616e 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/type_manager.py: opimd: TypeManager: add number and integer types
Dec 06 19:19:36 <TAsn> and matching jabber addresses is like matching emails
Dec 06 19:19:40 <TAsn> dos1, in the first draft
Dec 06 19:19:46 <TAsn> I had another abstraction layer
Dec 06 19:19:58 <TAsn> that was something like this
Dec 06 19:20:06 <TAsn> Fields (todays fields)
Dec 06 19:20:13 <TAsn> Groups
Dec 06 19:20:27 <TAsn> were ICQ, Email, Name, Phone, tec
Dec 06 19:20:29 <TAsn> etc*
Dec 06 19:20:37 <TAsn> there were used to group fields together
Dec 06 19:20:48 <TAsn> and then types that were matched per group
Dec 06 19:20:58 <TAsn> this way you could group a lot of stuff under the ICQ
Dec 06 19:21:00 <TAsn> umbrella
Dec 06 19:21:09 <TAsn> and still have sane matching
Dec 06 19:21:44 <TAsn> though I came to realize that most groups will have just one field
Dec 06 19:21:53 <TAsn> or at least type would be the same as group.
Dec 06 19:22:02 <TAsn> that's why I didn't do it.
Dec 06 19:25:41 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r3ca538854405 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: add default field types
Dec 06 19:30:14 <TAsn> dos1, do you agree?
Dec 06 19:31:15 <dos1> yup
Dec 06 19:31:24 <TAsn> cool
Dec 06 19:32:12 <GNUtoo> hi SHR people...I use shr/merge branch and I have a boost+wesnoth recipe I'll test the finished+polished boost 1.41 recipe but after that can I commit in your branch?
Dec 06 19:32:39 <GNUtoo> (you lacked games and there was a bugreport beeing fixed about that...so I wanted to contribute a bit)
Dec 06 19:34:15 <GNUtoo> btw I've put it default preference -1
Dec 06 19:34:29 <GNUtoo> so it doesn't get built by default
Dec 06 19:34:38 <GNUtoo> (a lot of packages would need bump pr otherwise)
Dec 06 19:39:03 <TAsn> GNUtoo, talk to mrmoku|a` he's the man in charge of shr/merge.
Dec 06 19:39:09 <GNUtoo> ok thanks
Dec 06 19:39:22 <GNUtoo> mrmoku|a`, hi tell me when you're not anymore away
Dec 06 19:40:37 <playya_> Weiss, have you tested your glamo stuff with navit OSD? I get a lot of strange look failures
Dec 06 19:41:55 <JaMa> mrmoku|a`: NOTE: Running task 8023 of 8074 (ID: 670, /home/projects/OE/dev/recipes/e17/illume-keyboard-default_svn.bb, do_package)
Dec 06 19:41:58 <JaMa> NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package:
Dec 06 19:42:01 <JaMa> NOTE:   /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/Numbers.kbd
Dec 06 19:42:23 <JaMa> mrmoku|a`: shouldn't this one be packaged to numeric keyboard?
Dec 06 19:42:29 <TAsn> should.
Dec 06 19:43:13 <TAsn> mrmoku|a`, pm me when you are here
Dec 06 19:43:14 <TAsn> important.
Dec 06 19:43:20 <TAsn> It's about a debt I have :P
Dec 06 19:47:59 <Heinervdm> ~seen raster
Dec 06 19:48:01 <apt> raster <n=raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 1d 17h 12m 36s ago, saying: 'but still sucky compared tyo c-ts'.
Dec 06 19:49:06 <Weiss> playya_: the KMS stack? I noticed a few artifacts with TangoGPS (I think they both use GTK), but nothing serious. Haven't had problems since the waitqueue fix though - or maybe that's just because the problems are so rare
Dec 06 19:49:44 <playya_> they do not appear on a screenshot
Dec 06 19:50:09 <playya_> i have a lot of artifacts for the OSD
Dec 06 19:50:24 <Weiss> the artifacts don't appear, or the OSD itself doesn't appear?
Dec 06 19:50:55 <playya_> 2s. i create a new one.
Dec 06 19:51:11 <playya_> sometimes they are on the screenshot
Dec 06 19:52:29 <playya_> Weiss, if they appear on a screenshot it's a x problem isn't it?
Dec 06 19:57:35 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r780df001db3b 10/src/ (13 files in 4 dirs): 
Dec 06 19:57:35 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: add PIM.Fields and PIM.Types and some small fixes
Dec 06 19:57:35 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Dec 06 19:57:59 <Weiss> playya_: as opposed to..?
Dec 06 19:58:30 <TAsn> mrmoku|a`, ping.
Dec 06 19:58:34 <mrmoku|a`> ptong
Dec 06 19:58:51 <mrmoku> TAsn: now its your turn :P
Dec 06 19:58:51 <TAsn> mrmoku, the dimming functionality
Dec 06 19:58:54 <playya_> hmm. a lot of artifacts: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/46037f2188a5579a256404db4c4762fa.png
Dec 06 19:59:00 <TAsn> dos1, suggested
Dec 06 19:59:04 <TAsn> where should I stick it in?
Dec 06 19:59:23 <TAsn> my intuition says
Dec 06 19:59:27 <TAsn> phonefsod
Dec 06 19:59:28 <playya_> maybe its affiliated with the transparency
Dec 06 19:59:34 <TAsn> what do you think?
Dec 06 19:59:43 <dos1> (methinks phonefsod too)
Dec 06 19:59:45 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: please commit to org.openembedded.dev
Dec 06 19:59:52 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: we merge it daily
Dec 06 20:00:04 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: and otherwise we would have to keep track about what is not yet in there
Dec 06 20:00:17 <TAsn> as it's clearly logic.
Dec 06 20:00:17 <TAsn> actually, nothing to think about
Dec 06 20:00:17 <TAsn> it's phonefsod.
Dec 06 20:00:20 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, ok so how do I do that...I'm on shr/merge branch
Dec 06 20:00:34 <TAsn> mrmoku, mind doing that while I do my side of the bargain in quicksettings/idle screen?
Dec 06 20:00:36 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, my goal is to merge into .dev anyway
Dec 06 20:00:53 <TAsn> btw, mrmoku got all my functions ready, right?
Dec 06 20:01:03 <TAsn> and you are registering signals for idlescreen in phoneuid, right?
Dec 06 20:01:05 <GNUtoo> but I can't test if it breaks something in .dev
Dec 06 20:01:07 <Weiss> playya_: hmm.. do you know which exact versions of kernel and DDX you're using?
Dec 06 20:01:13 <GNUtoo> I can only test in shr/merge
Dec 06 20:01:34 <playya_> it's still a 2.6.29. but i can flash a .31
Dec 06 20:01:51 <playya_> even fso* stops working
Dec 06 20:02:15 <Weiss> playya_: 2.6.29+drm, or andy-tracking?
Dec 06 20:02:22 <mrmoku> TAsn: no, just did the lfg part
Dec 06 20:02:33 <TAsn> mrmoku, I know, said in the future...
Dec 06 20:02:36 <mrmoku> TAsn: the signal stuff in libphone-ui is started
Dec 06 20:02:47 <playya_> i deleted the uImage file :/
Dec 06 20:02:53 <playya_> buidl from shr/merge
Dec 06 20:03:06 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: I can't test in org.openembedded.dev too
Dec 06 20:03:16 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 06 20:03:24 <mrmoku> but if it works in shr/merge
Dec 06 20:03:31 <GNUtoo> ok I'll do that
Dec 06 20:03:32 <mrmoku> probability is high it will work there too :P
Dec 06 20:03:51 <Weiss> playya_: is there anything in dmesg about DRM?
Dec 06 20:03:53 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: on ugly thing we still have is SRCREV/SRCPV
Dec 06 20:03:55 <GNUtoo> is there a quick git command that doesn't involve extracting git patches to make that ?
Dec 06 20:04:09 <GNUtoo> import in .dev from shr/merge
Dec 06 20:04:13 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: git cherry-pick
Dec 06 20:04:27 <playya_> Weiss, doh. i think I'm using the wrong kernel
Dec 06 20:04:31 <mrmoku> just checkout -b org.openembedded.dev origin/org.openembedded.dev
Dec 06 20:04:39 <mrmoku> and git cherry-pick [hash of your commit]
Dec 06 20:05:22 <mrmoku> dos1: do I have to read python code or will you explain it to me? :P
Dec 06 20:05:32 <dos1> mrmoku: it's easy
Dec 06 20:05:40 <Weiss> playya_: well.. it shouldn't break whether you're using DRM/KMS or not... I'm just trying to pin down which version might be broken. if both, it should be considered that it's an underlying X problem (rather than a driver problem)
Dec 06 20:05:54 <dos1> mrmoku: on starting, set brightness to INITIAL_VALUE from config
Dec 06 20:06:24 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, ok thanks a lot
Dec 06 20:06:31 <dos1> mrmoku: then, on idle state, firstly reference = GetBrightness; then SetBrightness(reference * IDLE_PERCENTAGE)
Dec 06 20:06:49 <dos1> mrmoku: then on idle_dim - SetBrightness(reference * IDLE_DIM_PERFENTAGE)
Dec 06 20:07:14 <dos1> mrmoku: on idle_prelock - the same
Dec 06 20:07:17 <TAsn> mrmoku, package name is libframeworkd-glib
Dec 06 20:07:18 <TAsn> right
Dec 06 20:07:19 <TAsn> ?
Dec 06 20:07:23 <mrmoku> right
Dec 06 20:07:26 <dos1> mrmoku: and on busy - SetBrightness(reference)
Dec 06 20:07:28 <TAsn> thanks.
Dec 06 20:07:47 <mrmoku> dos1: ok, let me take a look...
Dec 06 20:07:56 <mrmoku> ahh btw. we make that configurable too, right?
Dec 06 20:08:04 <dos1> mrmoku: yup
Dec 06 20:08:28 <TAsn> mrmoku, I hope you won't be mad, but I think I'll start by using Fields, and not quicksettings/idlescreen :P
Dec 06 20:08:56 <TAsn> mrmoku, 
Dec 06 20:09:02 <TAsn> frameworkd-glib-opimd-fields.h 
Dec 06 20:09:05 <TAsn> and headers.h
Dec 06 20:09:09 <TAsn> you forgot to add them to
Dec 06 20:09:10 <TAsn> headers
Dec 06 20:09:26 <TAsn> libframeworkd_glib_HEADERS
Dec 06 20:09:34 <mrmoku> hmm
Dec 06 20:09:44 <dos1> Ainulindale: ping
Dec 06 20:10:08 <dos1> Ainulindale: how hard it would be to change css files (and logo) on SHR trac?
Dec 06 20:10:28 <TAsn> Ainulindale, he got replacements, he only means actually putting on server.
Dec 06 20:10:28 <mrmoku> TAsn: they are there in opimd/Makefile.am
Dec 06 20:10:33 <TAsn> dos1, piece of cake :P
Dec 06 20:10:37 <TAsn> mrmoku, did you push that? :P
Dec 06 20:10:43 <TAsn> (just reviewed the latest commit, not added in there)
Dec 06 20:10:55 <TAsn> ok
Dec 06 20:10:56 <TAsn> nvm
Dec 06 20:10:57 <TAsn> I'm an ass.
Dec 06 20:10:58 <dos1> (i don't have replacements yet, just early previevs :P)
Dec 06 20:11:00 <TAsn> just relooked :P
Dec 06 20:11:00 <mrmoku> :P
Dec 06 20:11:46 <TAsn> dos1, how can I get myself a working new opimd? :P
Dec 06 20:12:05 <dos1> TAsn: checkout dos/opimd-tracking
Dec 06 20:12:19 <TAsn> and manually copy? I like the sound of that :P
Dec 06 20:12:28 <dos1> TAsn: and cp framework/subsystems/opimd/*.py to /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/opimd/ :P
Dec 06 20:12:32 <TAsn> yeah.
Dec 06 20:12:38 <TAsn> figured that's what you'd suggest :P
Dec 06 20:12:43 <TAsn> I know you... :P
Dec 06 20:13:13 <TAsn> mrmoku, 
Dec 06 20:13:15 <TAsn> opimd_fields_add
Dec 06 20:13:19 <TAsn> BAD.
Dec 06 20:13:29 <TAsn> it's per domain
Dec 06 20:13:30 <TAsn> ...
Dec 06 20:14:55 <TAsn> dos1, actually, another quick request if you can.
Dec 06 20:15:16 <TAsn> add a way to retrieve all of the fields of type phonenumber (or any other type)
Dec 06 20:15:20 <TAsn> i.e List(type)
Dec 06 20:15:50 <dos1> i'll add that to TODO
Dec 06 20:15:54 <TAsn> oK? :P (sorry :( )
Dec 06 20:15:56 <TAsn> cool.
Dec 06 20:16:03 <TAsn> mrmoku, got anything to say for yourself? :P
Dec 06 20:16:53 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r9e7d5ffc1e0a 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/docs/TODO: opimd: update TODO
Dec 06 20:18:22 <TAsn> :P
Dec 06 20:21:34 <mrmoku> TAsn: ?
Dec 06 20:21:48 <TAsn> read backlog...
Dec 06 20:21:51 <TAsn> you did it wrong :P
Dec 06 20:22:14 <mrmoku> there is nothing domain in API
Dec 06 20:22:27 * mrmoku relooks
Dec 06 20:22:31 * von_fritz has his keyboards back :)
Dec 06 20:22:44 <playya> grr. crappy connection. should i invest 20+/month to get an own 1,5 MBit connection?
Dec 06 20:23:19 <TAsn> mrmoku, it's per domain.
Dec 06 20:23:27 <TAsn> dos1, it semes like your docs are confusing...
Dec 06 20:23:33 <dos1> mrmoku: it's on domain paths
Dec 06 20:23:46 <dos1> TAsn: well, there is no place to add dbus path in API :P
Dec 06 20:23:57 <TAsn> :P
Dec 06 20:23:57 <dos1> it's on /org/freesmartphone/PIM/DomainName
Dec 06 20:24:08 <mrmoku> ic
Dec 06 20:24:11 <mrmoku> hmm
Dec 06 20:24:59 <mrmoku> dos1: types too?
Dec 06 20:25:11 <dos1> mrmoku: types are global
Dec 06 20:25:18 <dos1> mrmoku: on /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Types
Dec 06 20:25:19 <mrmoku> so just fields...
Dec 06 20:26:04 <mrmoku> TAsn: so... what interface do you want for that?
Dec 06 20:26:13 <mrmoku> opimd_contacts_fields_add?
Dec 06 20:26:30 <mrmoku> or an additional param for domain?
Dec 06 20:26:43 <TAsn> the former.
Dec 06 20:26:46 <TAsn> sorry :P
Dec 06 20:26:51 <TAsn> (the harder one)
Dec 06 20:27:05 <mrmoku> well... more to type... but not actually harder :P
Dec 06 20:27:39 <TAsn> :P
Dec 06 20:27:44 <dos1> mrmoku: is connman-plugin-ethernet included in images?
Dec 06 20:27:54 <mrmoku> dos1: don't think so
Dec 06 20:28:05 <mrmoku> connman-plugin-udhcpd is missing
Dec 06 20:29:01 <mrmoku> TAsn: what domains for?
Dec 06 20:29:08 <TAsn> all :P
Dec 06 20:29:14 <mrmoku> which are?
Dec 06 20:29:27 <mrmoku> well
Dec 06 20:29:38 <mrmoku> I start with contacts and messages as that is what is in lfg
Dec 06 20:29:45 <mrmoku> the other domains need adding anyway
Dec 06 20:31:05 <von_fritz> well no keyboards in latest image but copy xxx.kbd from ../modules/illume-keyboard/keyboards to /modules/illume/keyboards solves :)
Dec 06 20:31:22 <TAsn> mrmoku, cool enough.
Dec 06 20:31:42 <TAsn> von_fritz, that's not a proper solution
Dec 06 20:31:55 <von_fritz> i now but works
Dec 06 20:31:57 <von_fritz> :)
Dec 06 20:32:06 <TAsn> von_fritz, I mean, ../modules/illume-keyboard/keyboards
Dec 06 20:32:08 <TAsn> means nothing
Dec 06 20:32:14 <TAsn> it's just a new placing they might use in the future.
Dec 06 20:32:20 <TAsn> that happens to have the same kbd's atm.
Dec 06 20:32:29 <TAsn> mrmoku, ^ what happened to the keyboard packages? :P
Dec 06 20:38:16 <mrmoku> TAsn: looks like RRECOMMENDing them is not enough :|
Dec 06 20:38:43 <TAsn> :P
Dec 06 20:38:48 <TAsn> depend on them :P
Dec 06 20:39:08 <mrmoku> then you can't remove them without force-depends
Dec 06 20:40:20 <TAsn> oh :|
Dec 06 20:40:38 <TAsn> what a sucky situation :|
Dec 06 20:44:45 <dos1> if RRECOMMENDing is not enough, then it smells like bug :P
Dec 06 20:46:00 <dos1> hmm
Dec 06 20:46:05 <dos1> our trac is a mess
Dec 06 20:46:19 <dos1> i'll work on main page, ok?
Dec 06 20:46:41 <dos1> (by "our trac" i mean complete website, not only tickets :P)
Dec 06 20:47:53 <TAsn> yes, I know.
Dec 06 20:47:59 <TAsn> most of the links there are obsolete.
Dec 06 20:48:42 <dos1> also design could be better :P
Dec 06 20:48:48 <dos1> nice that trac supports embedding html code
Dec 06 20:49:18 <mrmoku> hmm
Dec 06 20:49:27 <mrmoku> how does one free a DBusGProxy ?
Dec 06 20:49:36 <TAsn> mrmoku, rtfm
Dec 06 20:50:14 <TAsn> mrmoku, is frameworkd-glib in autorev?
Dec 06 20:50:14 <mrmoku> heh, what do you think I'm doing :P
Dec 06 20:50:33 <mrmoku> TAsn: lookup yourself ;)
Dec 06 20:50:43 <TAsn> ffs :P
Dec 06 20:50:44 <TAsn> sec
Dec 06 20:50:52 <mrmoku> I'm quite sure it isn't
Dec 06 20:51:00 <TAsn> did you bump it? :P
Dec 06 20:51:11 <TAsn> (I also remember it isn't)
Dec 06 20:51:13 <mrmoku> no, as what I did does not work yet :P
Dec 06 20:51:43 <TAsn> ok
Dec 06 20:51:50 <TAsn> where are the autrevs set at? :P
Dec 06 20:51:53 * TAsn doesn't remember :P
Dec 06 20:52:00 <TAsn> *revs
Dec 06 20:52:02 <TAsn> not autorevs
Dec 06 20:52:14 <mrmoku> shr-autorev.inc
Dec 06 20:52:27 <mrmoku> ahh not autorevs
Dec 06 20:52:38 <TAsn> which is in what dir?
Dec 06 20:52:40 <mrmoku> for fso stuff sane-srcrevs-fso.inc
Dec 06 20:52:46 <mrmoku> conf/distro/include
Dec 06 20:53:01 <TAsn> thanks :P
Dec 06 20:55:06 <TAsn> hehe, too tired to work on settings :P
Dec 06 20:55:15 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * r29d61f52511b 10/src/view/quick-settings-view.c: Added a quick POC for profile_set, leaving the rest to Rui.
Dec 06 20:55:18 <TAsn> just waiting for types so I'll be able to go to sleep :P
Dec 06 20:57:18 <dos1> TAsn, mrmoku, Ainulindale: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/TracRedesign
Dec 06 20:57:33 <TAsn> :P
Dec 06 20:57:58 <TAsn> dos1, done?
Dec 06 20:58:01 <TAsn> if so, add it.
Dec 06 20:58:02 <TAsn> :P
Dec 06 20:58:37 <TAsn> mrmoku, http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=libframeworkd-glib.git;a=commitdiff;h=dad3d12daa9cca1470a166980237e871bb65e3c6
Dec 06 20:58:39 <TAsn> ha ha!
Dec 06 20:58:44 <TAsn> you did not remember to add
Dec 06 20:58:59 <TAsn> this header to makefile :P
Dec 06 20:59:55 <dos1> TAsn: what's done?
Dec 06 21:00:54 <TAsn> the css
Dec 06 21:03:12 <dos1> TAsn: well, i can't add it, as i don't have access to server :P
Dec 06 21:03:14 <dos1> and it's not done
Dec 06 21:03:31 <TAsn> I know you can't add it.
Dec 06 21:03:35 <dos1> i'll finish it over week, step by step ;)
Dec 06 21:03:35 <TAsn> I just asked if it's done :P
Dec 06 21:03:52 <dos1> wrote mail about it to shr-user and shr-devel
Dec 06 21:04:06 <dos1> i want to see what people think about this color scheme :P
Dec 06 21:05:28 <TAsn> dos1, what are the chances you'll implement the List(type)
Dec 06 21:05:31 <TAsn> per backend
Dec 06 21:05:38 <TAsn> in the next 5 mins :P
Dec 06 21:05:41 <TAsn> I really need it :|
Dec 06 21:05:41 <dos1> per backend?
Dec 06 21:06:01 <dos1> you mean ListFieldsWithType(type)? :P
Dec 06 21:06:08 <TAsn> yes.
Dec 06 21:06:11 <TAsn> per domain
Dec 06 21:06:11 <dos1> ok, i'll do that on neo
Dec 06 21:06:12 <TAsn> ffs
Dec 06 21:06:13 <dos1> as i have to go now
Dec 06 21:06:14 <TAsn> :P
Dec 06 21:06:19 <TAsn> lolz.
Dec 06 21:06:19 <TAsn> cioa.
Dec 06 21:06:51 <dos1> good night!
Dec 06 21:06:53 <TAsn> ffs, not having sync calls is such a mess. :|
Dec 06 21:06:55 <TAsn> dos1, night.
Dec 06 21:07:02 <TAsn> (sync dbus)
Dec 06 21:07:18 <TAsn> I don't get why it's so hard to add them, dbus supports it nicely.
Dec 06 21:07:19 <TAsn> :|
Dec 06 21:08:04 <TAsn> and maknig async from sync is easy
Dec 06 21:08:10 <TAsn> making sync from async is harder :|
Dec 06 21:08:43 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r62ff10b46bce 10/src/opimd/ (4 files): 
Dec 06 21:08:43 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: adhere to the fact that PIM.Fields is an interface for backend domains
Dec 06 21:08:43 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Dec 06 21:10:35 <TAsn> mok, can I build?
Dec 06 21:10:39 <TAsn> mrmoku, ^
Dec 06 21:10:47 <TAsn> and mrmoku <TAsn> mrmoku, http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=libframeworkd-glib.git;a=commitdiff;h=dad3d12daa9cca1470a166980237e871bb65e3c6
Dec 06 21:10:47 <TAsn> <TAsn> ha ha!
Dec 06 21:10:47 <TAsn> <TAsn> you did not remember to add
Dec 06 21:10:47 <TAsn> <TAsn> this header to makefile :P
Dec 06 21:12:30 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r2fd0b3d77ab4 10/src/phoneui-utils.c: New opimd changes, mostly dropped the tel prefix from everywhere
Dec 06 21:16:46 <TAsn> mrmoku, are you alive? :P
Dec 06 21:18:27 <mrmoku> TAsn: half alive... and it builds for me
Dec 06 21:18:43 <TAsn> does it ship the prefernences.h?
Dec 06 21:18:47 <TAsn> (look at the link
Dec 06 21:18:59 <TAsn> it doesn't... (well at least it doesn't look like it does)
Dec 06 21:19:10 <mrmoku> I think I added that afterwards
Dec 06 21:19:23 <mrmoku> yup
Dec 06 21:20:12 <mrmoku> TAsn: worked your way :P
Dec 06 21:20:30 <TAsn> what way? adding stuff without mentioning it in commit logs+
Dec 06 21:20:31 <TAsn> ?
Dec 06 21:20:48 <TAsn> or committing and then thinking and then doing a lot of work and forgetting you already fixed something without committing? :P
Dec 06 21:20:48 <mrmoku> no comitting stuff that does not work and fix afterwards
Dec 06 21:20:58 <TAsn> which of the above? :P
Dec 06 21:21:10 <TAsn> mrmoku, anyhow, can I get latest libframeworkd-glib
Dec 06 21:21:10 <TAsn> ?
Dec 06 21:21:24 <TAsn> will it work? :P
Dec 06 21:21:34 <mrmoku> add SRCREV_pn_libframeworkd-glib = "${AUTOREV}" to your local.conf
Dec 06 21:21:43 <mrmoku> or better SRCPV
Dec 06 21:21:44 <mrmoku> or both
Dec 06 21:21:45 <mrmoku> dunno
Dec 06 21:21:50 <mrmoku> I always add both :P
Dec 06 21:22:33 <mrmoku> TAsn: if it works is up to you to test... as I can't even test it
Dec 06 21:22:48 <TAsn> works = compiles
Dec 06 21:22:52 <TAsn> I have very low standards :PY
Dec 06 21:22:53 <TAsn> I have very low standards :P
Dec 06 21:23:39 <mrmoku> well.. then it works :)
Dec 06 21:23:44 <spaetz> night
Dec 06 21:23:44 <TAsn> cool :P
Dec 06 21:23:49 <TAsn> anyhow, because of that async crap
Dec 06 21:23:51 <TAsn> spaetz, night.
Dec 06 21:24:20 <TAsn> mrmoku, I can't sanely do anything without having dos implementing what I asked him for
Dec 06 21:24:26 <TAsn> (and even then it won't be that sane)
Dec 06 21:26:02 <TAsn> mrmoku, anyhow, when will we have a new unstable with wizard+keyboards ? :P
Dec 06 21:26:12 <TAsn> spaetzzZ, btw, you should add wizard to testing image ASAP.
Dec 06 21:26:32 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rb535c285911d 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: Generic: implement list_fields_with_type method
Dec 06 21:26:33 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r3935fdab3b5e 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: add ListFieldsWithType dbus method
Dec 06 21:26:34 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rd1a3414cf9bc 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: add ListFieldsWithType dbus method
Dec 06 21:26:35 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rb53bf4469b0b 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_notes.py: opimd: Notes: add ListFieldsWithType dbus method
Dec 06 21:26:37 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r226b0938fc7e 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: add ListFieldsWithType dbus method
Dec 06 21:26:40 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r6d0fe5a2c605 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_dates.py: opimd: Dates: add ListFieldsWithType dbus method
Dec 06 21:26:43 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r703fd3df4178 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_tasks.py: opimd: Tasks: add ListFieldsWithType dbus method
Dec 06 21:27:28 <TAsn> SHIT>
Dec 06 21:27:33 <TAsn> I can't believe he added it :(
Dec 06 21:27:43 <TAsn> Oh, well, at least I have to wait until you add it. :P
Dec 06 21:27:53 <mrmoku> which won't happen today :|
Dec 06 21:27:56 <mrmoku> going to bed now
Dec 06 21:28:51 <TAsn> YAY :P
Dec 06 21:28:51 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * re6235b24e545 10/src/ (phoneui-utils-sound.c phoneui-utils-sound.h phoneui-utils.c): Added phoneui_utils_sound_profile_*
Dec 06 21:28:56 * TAsn can slack off.
Dec 06 21:28:57 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r136d4e9eaa09 10/src/ (phoneui-utils-sound.c phoneui-utils-sound.h phoneui-utils.c): Merge branch 'master' into new-opimd
Dec 06 21:28:58 <CIA-53> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r08ce6954355d 10/src/phoneui-utils.c: Adedd a missing fix for a template to compile
Dec 06 21:29:04 <Weiss> phew
Dec 06 21:29:10 <TAsn> although I'm going to wake up early tomorrow (surf is up)
Dec 06 21:29:22 * Weiss is learning more about the kernel's low-level driver API than he wanted to know
Dec 06 21:29:48 <TAsn> mrmoku, already removed all the tel hacks, just cool special handling for a couple of stuff is needed :P
Dec 06 21:30:26 <TAsn> mrmoku, prefernences still doesn't get there :|
Dec 06 21:31:04 <TAsn> will make sure before I speakn
Dec 06 21:31:05 <TAsn> sec.
Dec 06 21:31:40 <TAsn> yes, it doesn't. :|
Dec 06 21:32:35 <TAsn> although i tdoes look correct.
Dec 06 21:32:49 <TAsn> kaboom
Dec 06 21:32:50 <TAsn> noob
Dec 06 21:32:54 <TAsn> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=libframeworkd-glib.git;a=blob;f=src/Makefile.am;h=d8ceffcd5174b4c7cc42033ae865a7861532effb;hb=62ff10b46bce463cba29302c771b215678563eae
Dec 06 21:32:59 <TAsn> mrmoku, you forgot to add the subdir here :|
Dec 06 21:33:09 <TAsn> mrmoku, if you are still awake, please help me :P
Dec 06 21:33:11 <TAsn> ^
Dec 06 21:33:11 <TAsn> ^
Dec 06 21:33:28 <TAsn> Anyway I'm going to bed. I hope you'll fix it soon.
Dec 06 21:33:30 <mrmoku> ohhh
Dec 06 21:33:33 <mrmoku> subdir :(
Dec 06 21:33:34 <TAsn> shit
Dec 06 21:33:37 <TAsn> you are awake :P
Dec 06 21:33:42 <TAsn> let me know when it's there
Dec 06 21:33:43 <mrmoku> that one I can fix now :)
Dec 06 21:34:51 <TAsn> mrmoku, libframeworkd_glib_la_SOURCES = \
Dec 06 21:34:53 <TAsn> as well...
Dec 06 21:36:06 <TAsn> ok, I'm off.
Dec 06 21:36:17 <TAsn> will hopefully fix it
Dec 06 21:36:20 <TAsn> when you are here
Dec 06 21:36:24 <TAsn> *when you push
Dec 06 21:36:30 <TAsn> but can't promise anything :P
Dec 06 21:39:46 <mrmoku> TAsn: heh, it turns out that it does not even compile :(
Dec 06 21:39:57 <TAsn> haha :P
Dec 06 21:40:02 <TAsn> so you won't do it today?
Dec 06 21:40:03 <TAsn> (phew)
Dec 06 21:40:13 <mrmoku> looks like you prefer me doing it tomorrow?
Dec 06 21:40:20 <TAsn> I don't really mind.
Dec 06 21:40:25 <TAsn> but I think I'll do my part tomorrow
Dec 06 21:40:29 <TAsn> as I'm up in 5 hours
Dec 06 21:40:29 <TAsn> :|
Dec 06 21:40:45 <mrmoku> ok, then I will fix it tomorrow morning... as first thing
Dec 06 21:40:57 <mrmoku> and whenever you come back from surfing...
Dec 06 21:41:02 <mrmoku> you can do your part :)
Dec 06 21:41:05 <TAsn> going surfing before work :P
Dec 06 21:41:16 <TAsn> after surfing I'll go to work
Dec 06 21:41:18 <TAsn> after that
Dec 06 21:41:21 <TAsn> I'll do my part
Dec 06 21:41:26 <mrmoku> ok :P
Dec 06 21:41:28 <mrmoku> gnight
Dec 06 21:41:32 <TAsn> and then will probably do almost nothing for the rest of the week
Dec 06 21:41:35 <TAsn> night.
Dec 06 21:41:38 <TAsn> gotten nacht?
Dec 06 21:41:46 <TAsn> (did I spell anything correctly?)
Dec 06 21:41:59 <Wonka> "gute Nacht"
Dec 06 21:42:10 <TAsn> yeah
Dec 06 21:42:18 <TAsn> just googled :P
Dec 06 21:42:27 <TAsn> well, I got it from hearing
Dec 06 21:42:39 <TAsn> so it's ok I took the n to gute :P
Dec 06 21:42:47 <TAsn> as for the rest of the mistakes, no excuses :P
Dec 06 21:42:59 <Wonka> don't take anything about german pronunciation or phrases from american movies
Dec 06 21:43:19 <TAsn> :P
Dec 06 21:43:19 <Wonka> even the signs in nazi castles are horribly non-german
Dec 06 21:43:33 <TAsn> actually
Dec 06 21:43:37 <TAsn> I took it from austria :P
Dec 06 21:43:42 <TAsn> not from american movies
Dec 06 21:43:43 <Wonka> even worse
Dec 06 21:43:47 <TAsn> (been there a couple of times)
Dec 06 21:44:00 <TAsn> (even worse) lol.
Dec 06 21:44:12 <Wonka> .oO( we took something from austria too, some 80 years ago... )
Dec 06 21:44:23 <TAsn> :P
Dec 06 21:44:47 <Wonka> baaad move
Dec 06 21:46:25 <TAsn> Wonka, nah, I think people here can tolerate these kind of jokes :P
Dec 06 21:46:25 <GarthPS> hi guys. it has been a week or so that I have this kid of error while building image..
Dec 06 21:46:25 <GarthPS> configure: error: C preprocessor "arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-gcc -E" fails sanity check
Dec 06 21:46:25 <GarthPS> for eina_svn.bb
Dec 06 21:46:25 <GarthPS> udev_141.bb
Dec 06 21:46:25 <TAsn> Anyhow, I'm off. ciao.
Dec 06 21:46:25 <TAsn> gute nacht :P
Dec 06 21:46:26 <Wonka> i meant, taking him was a bad move
Dec 06 21:46:28 <TAsn> s/n/N/
Dec 06 21:46:29 <apt> TAsn meant: gute Nacht :P
Dec 06 21:46:29 <Wonka> cu TAsn 
Dec 06 21:46:39 <TAsn> Wonka, oh :P
Dec 06 21:46:47 <GarthPS> and libpng-1.2.
Dec 06 21:47:02 <GarthPS> does some one knows how to pass this eror?
Dec 06 21:56:49 <GarthPS> nobody?
Dec 06 21:56:56 <GarthPS> configure: error: C preprocessor "arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-gcc -E" fails sanity check
Dec 06 22:15:08 <dos1|neo> TAsn: hello again :P
Dec 06 22:21:03 <TAsn> dos1|neo, I'm asleep, but thanks for the commits
Dec 06 22:21:05 <TAsn> night again.
Dec 06 22:23:07 <dos1|neo> night
Dec 06 23:19:50 <liori> hello, I cannot log in to SHR's trac; I get redirection loop
Dec 06 23:29:58 <max_posedon> liori,  http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ works for me
Dec 06 23:50:06 <CIA-53> SHR: 03rms 07libphone-ui-shr * r7661950fa16d 10/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git+ssh://git@git.shr-project.org/libphone-ui-shr
Dec 06 23:50:17 <CIA-53> SHR: 03rms 07libphone-ui-shr * rf1ec520712a4 10/src/view/quick-settings-view.c: make phoneui functions templates UI toolkit agnostic
Dec 06 23:51:10 <[Rui]> !logs
Dec 06 23:51:10 <cdbot2> Channel logs for #openmoko-cdevel are archived at:
Dec 06 23:51:11 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko-cdevel
Dec 06 23:51:12 <cdbot2> Live-logs are available at
Dec 06 23:51:14 <cdbot2> http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko-cdevel.livelog
Dec 06 23:51:16 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
Dec 06 23:51:49 <[Rui]> hi there
Dec 07 00:00:27 <liori> max_posedon: for me too, unless i try to log in
Dec 07 00:00:54 <liori> then until I clear the cookies, I cannot see any trac page
Dec 07 00:11:13 <liori> I get instant redirection to /trac/account/prefs; I haven't logged in in a while, requested new password by email and I might be required to change it...
Dec 07 02:23:27 <Sharwin_F> here it is what I've done atm on the bluetooth manager:
Dec 07 02:23:31 <Sharwin_F> http://espeweb.no-ip.com/misc/tmp/emtooth1.png
Dec 07 02:23:33 <Sharwin_F> http://espeweb.no-ip.com/misc/tmp/emtooth2.png
Dec 07 02:23:39 <Sharwin_F> time to sleep now :D
Dec 07 02:51:30 <DocScrutinizer-8> liori: had that as well, "years" ago
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