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Dec 16 06:43:49 <JaMa> Wonka: you need to start with image built by you and NEVER opkg upgrade from buildhost feeds
Dec 16 06:44:59 <JaMa> Wonka: or download sqlite cache from buildhost to your build environment before first build on your buildhost and after opkg upgrade from buildhost feeds and then switch feeds from buildhost to your host on neo and never upgrade from shr feeds again..
Dec 16 07:31:07 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r2fb07fc681a1 10/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
Dec 16 07:31:07 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: implement rest of PIM Calls, Call and CallQuery interface
Dec 16 07:31:07 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Dec 16 07:31:44 <mrmoku> TAsn: now you can do the phoneui helpers :P
Dec 16 07:32:04 <TAsn> ok
Dec 16 07:32:09 <TAsn> will do it asap (when I'm home)
Dec 16 07:32:58 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud|zZz, we are starting to work on -ui-shr phonelog, hopefully :P
Dec 16 07:33:43 <TAsn> ciao
Dec 16 07:35:06 <mrmoku> not hopefully... for sure :P
Dec 16 07:36:17 <TAsn> ok, whatever :P
Dec 16 08:37:09 <DocScrutinizer-8> heh, an OS update always gives you those nice WTFs ;-P
Dec 16 08:38:17 <DocScrutinizer-8> wireshark - size after install: 48MB.   frozen_bubbles: size after install: 23MB
Dec 16 08:38:55 <DocScrutinizer-8> some java foo 169MB
Dec 16 08:42:23 <Q-Master> frozen bubble for neo? 8)
Dec 16 08:52:26 <DocScrutinizer-8> gconftool-2 definitely a PITA and broken by design. :-/
Dec 16 09:49:19 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9943308ce825 10/fsonetworkd/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsonetworkd: pick up git version, if available
Dec 16 09:55:02 * daniele_athome cross compiled ofono for shr-unstable, latest revision from git repository; works very well :) if someone want the package just contact me
Dec 16 09:55:58 <JaMa> /home/projects/OE/tmpdir-dev-shr/staging/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gthread.h:344: error: dereferencing pointer 'value_location.1' does break strict-aliasing rules
Dec 16 09:56:06 <JaMa> for latest phoneuid_git.bb
Dec 16 10:01:19 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rcd30c3b3d87b 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Network: add StopSharingInternetConnectionWithInterface() -> ()
Dec 16 10:07:54 <JesusMcCloud|zZz> daniele_athome, what does "works very well mean" how do you plan to use ofono?
Dec 16 10:07:55 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r5de66fecba8a 10/src/ (4 files): regen
Dec 16 10:13:24 <DocScrutinizer51> ofono for SHR - WTF?! Mickey for sure fell off his chair
Dec 16 10:15:03 <JaMa> ofono can talk to our modem? iirc that was biggest problem with ofono, wasn't it?
Dec 16 10:15:38 <DocScrutinizer-8> afaik ofono isn't even ready for productive on maemo
Dec 16 10:17:47 <DocScrutinizer-8> even when. AIUI ofono is middleware, like FSO. So what in hell means "works very well"?? o.O With which App?
Dec 16 10:19:16 <JesusMcCloud> thats what i am wondering aswell
Dec 16 10:20:49 <JaMa> what about evdev calibration from xorg.conf http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-input-evdev/commit/?h=evdev-2.3-branch&id=57b54ee3995f2f678ef359e7663cad517a8b2433
Dec 16 10:21:06 <DocScrutinizer-8> nah. too much today. fixing a botked initrd, forced migration to but ugly KDE4 during that process. Another install for customer this afternoon (again never used KDE4 and wan't lessons then... :-S )
Dec 16 10:21:08 <JaMa> maybe it would be better than our kernel calibration
Dec 16 10:21:15 <DocScrutinizer-8> I'm off kbd now
Dec 16 10:21:47 <DocScrutinizer-8> s/but / butt 
Dec 16 10:27:45 <DocScrutinizer-8> and even now this fsckng siemens laptop doesn't mount the rootfs unless I start kernel with "failsafe" parameter foo >:-((
Dec 16 10:30:27 <daniele_athome> JesusMcCloud, i'm just seeing what it can do and it can't do
Dec 16 10:30:43 <daniele_athome> and... if it is usable enough to build a phone stack above it
Dec 16 10:30:46 <daniele_athome> :)
Dec 16 10:30:56 <daniele_athome> maybe I can port mokosuite to ofono...
Dec 16 10:31:58 <JesusMcCloud> daniele_athome, so u can talk to modem through dbus?
Dec 16 10:33:16 <daniele_athome> JesusMcCloud, yes
Dec 16 10:33:29 <daniele_athome> I tested some ofono's functionalities yesterday
Dec 16 10:33:29 <JesusMcCloud> nice!
Dec 16 10:33:34 <daniele_athome> it can make calls, send and receive sms
Dec 16 10:33:35 <daniele_athome> and so on
Dec 16 10:33:59 <JesusMcCloud> sounds promising
Dec 16 10:34:06 <daniele_athome> :)
Dec 16 10:37:52 <DocScrutinizer-8> so it actually closed  up to FSO - at least halfway? keeewl
Dec 16 10:41:34 <DocScrutinizer-8> well, not surprising though. Despite ofono nerds' FSo-bashing it seems they pretty much copied a lot from framework
Dec 16 10:43:10 <JesusMcCloud> DocScrutinizer-8, sure, why not take the cool stuff that already exists, iron out some rough edges, give it a different name, and call it you own work
Dec 16 10:43:24 <JesusMcCloud> just kidding
Dec 16 10:43:36 <DocScrutinizer-8> lol, yeah exactly
Dec 16 10:43:46 <JesusMcCloud> if it is so close fso could prolly profit from it
Dec 16 10:44:02 <JesusMcCloud> (have not relly looked into fofno)=
Dec 16 10:44:07 <DocScrutinizer-8> mickeyl: what's your opinion on that? ;-D
Dec 16 10:44:12 <mickey|office> you'd be surprised
Dec 16 10:44:16 <mickey|office> i already do
Dec 16 10:44:23 <JesusMcCloud> ?
Dec 16 10:44:26 <mickey|office> fsogsmd employs the PDU SMS code from ofono
Dec 16 10:44:42 <JesusMcCloud> haha win-win
Dec 16 10:44:44 <mickey|office> since fsogsmd is Vala I happily integrate C code where i see fit
Dec 16 10:45:01 <DocScrutinizer-8> heh, so this particular code went the oposite direction
Dec 16 10:46:21 <JesusMcCloud> hmmm that makes me wonder if that samsung project uses ofono...
Dec 16 10:46:22 <DocScrutinizer-8> yeah. as frameworkd "is just talking AT thru dbus" you for sure need inspiration from ofono gurus a lot
Dec 16 10:46:54 <DocScrutinizer-8> </irony>
Dec 16 10:47:24 <JesusMcCloud> isn'T h1 also planning to switch to fso?!
Dec 16 10:47:57 <DocScrutinizer-8> thought they're abot to
Dec 16 10:48:16 <JesusMcCloud> sth liek that...
Dec 16 10:48:54 <JesusMcCloud> as soon as the transition is done i'll give h1 another try, hopefully then things will work as expected
Dec 16 10:49:35 <mickey|office> btw., don't forget ofono is just competing against (fs)ogsmd, not fso as a whole
Dec 16 10:49:43 <mickey|office> fso is much more
Dec 16 10:50:11 <JesusMcCloud> so it is just gsm a gsm stack
Dec 16 10:50:20 <mickey|office> yea
Dec 16 10:50:20 <daniele_athome> actually not only gsm
Dec 16 10:50:29 <daniele_athome> it has api also for some networking
Dec 16 10:50:32 <DocScrutinizer-8> that's why I started to frown
Dec 16 10:50:41 <daniele_athome> and backend interfaces for phonebook
Dec 16 10:50:44 <DocScrutinizer-8> on ofono on SHR
Dec 16 10:51:06 <daniele_athome> obviously fso is a complete smart phone framework
Dec 16 10:51:25 <daniele_athome> not comparable to ofono - a telephony framework
Dec 16 10:51:27 <daniele_athome> :)
Dec 16 10:52:07 <mickey|office> well
Dec 16 10:52:12 <mickey|office> if it rocks, i stop working on fsogsmd
Dec 16 10:52:18 <mickey|office> one component less to worry about :D
Dec 16 10:52:24 <JesusMcCloud> hehe
Dec 16 10:52:53 <DocScrutinizer-8> MICKEY!!
Dec 16 10:52:53 <daniele_athome> lol
Dec 16 10:52:54 <mickey|office> but it needs to support the same number of modems 
Dec 16 10:52:56 <mickey|office> so
Dec 16 10:52:59 <mickey|office> freescale neptune 
Dec 16 10:53:04 <mickey|office> qualcomm msm7
Dec 16 10:53:09 <mickey|office> calypso obviously
Dec 16 10:53:14 <mickey|office> siemens mc series
Dec 16 10:53:19 <mickey|office> at the minimum
Dec 16 10:53:36 <daniele_athome> mickey|office, look here: http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/ofono.git;a=tree;f=drivers;h=b502bd76123a82be301cd2071c1a57262c5a3770;hb=HEAD
Dec 16 10:54:05 <mickey|office> hmm, missing a couple
Dec 16 10:54:18 <daniele_athome> for my purpose, calypso is ok :)
Dec 16 10:54:27 <daniele_athome> of course for fso is different...
Dec 16 10:56:43 * DocScrutinizer-8 just decided to call this a true "I'm pissed"-day
Dec 16 10:59:46 * mickey|office still thinks he has the better technology and abstraction
Dec 16 10:59:59 <mickey|office> but we all know that this is not the most important things to win ;)
Dec 16 11:00:07 <DocScrutinizer51> also look here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7019  and especially here http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages if you wonder why
Dec 16 11:00:09 <mickey|office> like... VHS vs. Betamax
Dec 16 11:00:17 <mickey|office> or video200
Dec 16 11:00:18 <mickey|office> 0
Dec 16 11:01:01 <mickey|office> still too many on this list
Dec 16 11:01:47 <DocScrutinizer51> rather annoying attitude over there at Nokia
Dec 16 11:03:32 <DocScrutinizer51> NHuston we got a problemN BWAAHAHAHAA
Dec 16 11:05:07 <DocScrutinizer51> sounds like "guru meditation error 65357"
Dec 16 11:06:58 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer51: yet you went and bought n900? ;)
Dec 16 11:07:23 <DocScrutinizer51> so what? it works for me.
Dec 16 11:08:02 <DocScrutinizer51> for play and fun I got a dozen and some FR
Dec 16 11:09:14 <DocScrutinizer51> and N900 runs IRC even. just as good as OM devices do. Even better, regarding the hw kbd
Dec 16 11:09:24 <DocScrutinizer51> as you see
Dec 16 11:13:18 <mickey|office> well
Dec 16 11:13:24 <mickey|office> eventually i'm sure we see FSO on it
Dec 16 11:13:58 <mickey|office> as for how much hardware will be supported is another question...
Dec 16 11:14:14 <DocScrutinizer51> really hope u r right
Dec 16 11:14:17 <mickey|office> s/hardware/peripherals/
Dec 16 11:14:18 <apt> mickey|office meant: as for how much peripherals will be supported is another question...
Dec 16 11:15:17 <DocScrutinizer51> mickeyl: has stskeeps of mer considered FSO?
Dec 16 11:15:45 <mickey|office> no idea
Dec 16 11:15:50 <mickey|office> never been contacted by him i guess
Dec 16 11:16:06 <mickey|office> do they work on telephony yet?
Dec 16 11:16:24 <DocScrutinizer51> mickeyl: /join #mer  maybe?
Dec 16 11:16:25 <mickey|office> i don't know their major objective
Dec 16 11:16:36 <mickey|office> whether it should be as much compatible to Maemo or not
Dec 16 11:16:44 <mickey|office> because then they will rather use their dbus APIs
Dec 16 11:17:11 <DocScrutinizer51> I think they don't know either
Dec 16 11:18:39 <DocScrutinizer51> and honestly I guess framework could learn a ofono compatibility mode easily ;-)
Dec 16 11:19:36 <DocScrutinizer51> while still keeping the superior set of services
Dec 16 11:20:14 <DocScrutinizer51> ... offered by FSO
Dec 16 11:24:53 <JesusMcCloud> hmm prolly ofono can give us proper mms handling
Dec 16 11:27:49 <DocScrutinizer51> would be surprised to learn that, given not even maemo knows how to mms
Dec 16 12:31:42 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbd2b7183d37a 10/libfsoframework/ (6 files in 2 dirs): libfsoframework: add GProcessGuard, spawning an external process and guarding it
Dec 16 12:49:16 <JaMa> whois TAsn
Dec 16 12:49:31 <JaMa> ups
Dec 16 12:50:49 <JaMa> TAsn: after http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=phoneuid.git;a=commit;h=856839b8886a10914946afe27be56ffbc6b0bfe9 /home/projects/OE/tmpdir-dev-shr/staging/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gthread.h:344: error: dereferencing pointer 'value_location.1' does break strict-aliasing rules, you don't get that one?
Dec 16 13:01:27 <mrmoku> JaMa: huh?
Dec 16 13:02:57 <Wonka> JaMa: I did start with rootfs built by me. I put it on an SD card and it worked.
Dec 16 13:03:43 <Wonka> JaMa: I thought about a fresh start from buildhost.shr-project.org so I would not need to build stuff myself but just bitch about errors ;)
Dec 16 13:05:02 <JaMa> mrmoku: in last git rev is -Werror and because of that it fails for me..
Dec 16 13:05:09 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rb4a69860305d 10/src/ (26 files in 6 dirs): 
Dec 16 13:05:09 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: turn on -Wextra -Werror and make it build again :-)
Dec 16 13:05:09 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de>
Dec 16 13:05:22 <mrmoku> JaMa: hmm... let me try
Dec 16 13:05:50 <JaMa> Wonka: so you had image built by yourself and then wanted to upgrade from shr feeds?
Dec 16 13:06:14 <JaMa> Wonka: then yes.. it should work and upgrade lots of packages (even with same revision)
Dec 16 13:09:02 <mrmoku> JaMa: yup, have that too :|
Dec 16 13:09:25 <Wonka> JaMa: i didn't. i always upgraded from my own feed.
Dec 16 13:10:09 <Wonka> JaMa: i just thought about throwing away my tree here, using just "official" unstable and bitch all the same about nonworking stuff.
Dec 16 13:11:00 * von_fritz haves that too
Dec 16 13:12:17 * von_fritz needs his own http server for upgrading SHR :)
Dec 16 13:12:40 <Wonka> von_fritz: dyndns, webfsd.
Dec 16 13:14:29 <von_fritz> will try, its possible to use same IP?
Dec 16 13:20:58 <Wonka> von_fritz: same IP for what?
Dec 16 13:21:23 <Wonka> von_fritz: I meant using dyndns to point a hostname to the IP of your current http server
Dec 16 13:21:35 <Wonka> to the current IP of your http server, of course
Dec 16 13:23:07 <von_fritz> same IP for freerunner and http server ... two machines on same IP
Dec 16 13:23:40 <Wonka> no good idea
Dec 16 13:23:55 <Wonka> the FR knows it has this IP and would look for the http server on itself
Dec 16 13:24:28 <Wonka> but you could easily use the IP of the host on the other side of USB networking
Dec 16 13:25:23 <JaMa> and for upgrades while connected to your local builder you don't need dyndns
Dec 16 13:26:20 * von_fritz needs a local lan httpserver :)
Dec 16 13:31:23 <von_fritz> no webfsd on archlinux but many others light http server lighthttpd, darkhttpd ..... need to look more closely :)
Dec 16 13:32:40 <pbaxter> hi all
Dec 16 13:32:59 <pbaxter> von_fritz: pm
Dec 16 13:33:13 <sybren> hey all
Dec 16 13:34:49 <sybren> I just updated my neo, and now SHR Today refuses to unlock
Dec 16 13:35:12 <sybren> the phone does reacts to touching the screen, as it dims when idle and undims when I touch it
Dec 16 13:36:06 <sybren> it won't unlock when I try to slide the slider, nor upon pressing the AUX button
Dec 16 13:37:45 <sybren> it does react to ssh-over-usb, and 'top' shows 65-73% CPU usage of Xorg
Dec 16 13:38:28 <CIA-78> SHR: 03mok 07phoneuid * r215e0b6e021e 10/src/Makefile.am: add -Wno-strict-aliasing to make it build again
Dec 16 13:38:32 <mrmoku> sybren: opkg remove shr-today
Dec 16 13:38:43 <mrmoku> it is part of libphone-ui-shr now
Dec 16 13:38:49 <sybren> aah
Dec 16 13:39:02 <sybren> so how do I unlock my phone?
Dec 16 13:39:11 <sybren> I've already killed shr-today, it's not helping
Dec 16 13:40:51 <sybren> ok, killing and restarting X seems to help
Dec 16 13:42:27 <mrmoku> JaMa: phoneuid should build again :)
Dec 16 13:43:39 <JaMa> mrmoku: sure it does, you semi-cheater :)
Dec 16 13:43:50 <JaMa> but thanks :)
Dec 16 13:45:07 <mrmoku> :P
Dec 16 13:45:39 <mrmoku> JaMa: I googled a bit... and what I found was... either remove -Werror or turn off stict-aliasing
Dec 16 13:45:42 <mrmoku> +r
Dec 16 13:46:08 <mrmoku> guess that is somewhere inside glib
Dec 16 13:50:14 <JaMa> mrmoku: maybe RCONFLICTS would be better to force users to remove shr-today first?
Dec 16 13:50:42 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0911fc59f6db 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (process.vala syncasync.vala): libfsoframework: fix process guard dieing earlier than guarded process
Dec 16 13:50:54 <JaMa> mrmoku: turn off stict-aliasing is good enough for me.. as we were building wihout -Werror before its still improvement :)
Dec 16 13:50:54 <sybren> JaMa: sounds like a good idea, having a hanging GUI isn't pleasant
Dec 16 13:52:02 <JaMa> I'm not sure why it hangs.. because if that process is still running then even after opkg removal of shr-today it should be able to unlock screen..
Dec 16 13:52:36 <JaMa> but maybe its checking some lockfile or something like that..
Dec 16 13:55:53 <mrmoku> JaMa: as RREPLACES does not work... maybe yes RCONFLICTS is what we should do :|
Dec 16 13:56:00 <mrmoku> or maybe both?
Dec 16 13:56:06 <mrmoku> and then it works?
Dec 16 13:56:48 <JaMa> mrmoku: no idea.. but RCONFLICTS somehow worked for dropbear->openssh
Dec 16 14:05:56 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r671d88bf4af8 10/fsonetworkd/src/plugins/sharing/plugin.vala: fsonetwork: implement new dbus API (stop sharing interface...) as skeleton
Dec 16 14:32:51 <Broam> morning all.
Dec 16 14:34:54 <sybren> good afternoon :)
Dec 16 14:35:04 <Broam> Just wanted to drop in and say hi; my A7 is on its way as I type this. I think I'm the only person in Maryland USA who will own one. :)
Dec 16 14:35:14 <sybren> congratulations :)
Dec 16 14:35:42 <Broam> Thanks. I've been having some confusing over the bands. A7 only comes in Euro bands (900/1800/1900) but I've called my carrier and they say it should work
Dec 16 14:36:15 <sybren> you crazy americans with your weird standards ;-)
Dec 16 14:36:30 <Broam> Yeah I know
Dec 16 14:36:32 <TAsn> JaMa, no I don't.
Dec 16 14:37:02 <playya> A7? acer? 
Dec 16 14:37:13 <Broam> I've been doing quite a bit of reading and was dismayed to find out that all of the uSD cards I have are the Kingston SD-C02G
Dec 16 14:37:20 <Broam> A7 = Freerunner A7
Dec 16 14:37:27 <playya> ah.ok :)
Dec 16 14:37:43 <playya> i just ordered a motorola milestone today
Dec 16 14:37:49 <Broam> the C02G apparently isn't well-tolerated by the FreeRunner's uSD slot
Dec 16 14:39:19 <JaMa> TAsn: mrmoku already enabled warnings for strict alliasing
Dec 16 14:39:29 <TAsn> okie.
Dec 16 14:39:45 <sybren> Broam: that sucks
Dec 16 14:41:13 <DocScrutinizer-8> Broam: euro-3band gsm will give you headache in US.
Dec 16 14:41:19 <Broam> DocScrutinizer: great.
Dec 16 14:41:38 <Broam> DocScrutinizer: I looked at the GSM coverage maps extensively. 1900 covers my entire area (eastern half of MD)
Dec 16 14:41:51 <pespin> mrmoku, could you build obex-data-server on feeds please? ;)
Dec 16 14:42:05 <Broam> DocScrutinizer-8: do you know what happened to the US 3-band GSM? Did the A7 just never come in those bands?
Dec 16 14:42:09 <DocScrutinizer-8> so you're fine then. as long as you're not toaming
Dec 16 14:42:19 <Broam> DocScrutinizer-8: oh, good. :)
Dec 16 14:42:31 * Broam has other phones he can carry as a backup
Dec 16 14:42:33 <DocScrutinizer-8> roaming
Dec 16 14:42:47 <DocScrutinizer-8> or changing carrier / contract
Dec 16 14:43:02 <Broam> DocScrutinizer-8:  My wife has no plans to do that. :D
Dec 16 14:43:24 <DocScrutinizer-8> seems I remember we stopped the fab line when euro was done
Dec 16 14:43:28 <Broam> I wanted an A7 because I have such bad arthritis / tendonitis / RSI in my hands that I can't solder anything
Dec 16 14:43:43 <Broam> I could barely solder wires back onto a case fan
Dec 16 14:43:50 <Broam> so I can't apply the buzzfix myself
Dec 16 14:43:59 <mrmoku> pespin: let me try
Dec 16 14:44:27 <DocScrutinizer-8> Broam: you shouldn't even bother (buzzfix)
Dec 16 14:44:55 <pespin> mrmoku, thanks :)
Dec 16 14:44:56 <DocScrutinizer-8> Broam: though it seems some resellers offer A6 with buzzfix applied
Dec 16 14:45:53 <dos1> TAsn: (about memo) just install frameworkd on pc ;P
Dec 16 14:46:01 <TAsn> really? as simple as that?
Dec 16 14:46:02 <TAsn> cool.
Dec 16 14:46:23 <DocScrutinizer-8> Broam: if you find any of these, US-3band, you're better off than with A7
Dec 16 14:46:42 <Broam> DocScrutinizer-8: ok.
Dec 16 14:46:49 <Broam> Unfortunately it's already shipped. :(
Dec 16 14:46:59 <Broam> en route, anyway
Dec 16 14:47:27 <DocScrutinizer-8> heh, not too bad. so you can start messing around with it soon
Dec 16 14:47:45 <Broam> As far as I'm concerned, I'm realizing more and more that the "phone" functions of the FreeRunner are less developed than the PDA / Pocket Computer stuff
Dec 16 14:47:53 <Broam> at least, that's what I've been reading
Dec 16 14:48:23 <pespin> Is it possible to write something in the OE recipe to tell OE to set a #define when compiling?
Dec 16 14:48:32 <Broam> so if it makes a killer PDA and just happens to have a 3-band Euro GSM modem attached to it, then that's just a better PDA then :P
Dec 16 14:48:33 <pespin> as I want to make dbus calls to fso optional
Dec 16 14:49:08 <Broam> Anyway I just wanted to drop in & say hi, introduce myself. Maybe I'll find some time to get into development...I'm a C# hacker sadly
Dec 16 14:49:12 <pespin> so ie, tell OE to set _HAVE_FRAMEWORKD_ to 1
Dec 16 14:49:56 <DocScrutinizer-8> Broam: btw even the euro FR can do US 850 GSM. though at a inferior sensitivity and thus only 'in vicinity' of the basestation
Dec 16 14:50:53 <DocScrutinizer-8> Broam: FWIW
Dec 16 14:51:06 <Broam> DocScrutinizer-8: interesting. Thanks for the tip.
Dec 16 14:51:40 <DocScrutinizer-8> actually our devices are 3.5 band ;-P
Dec 16 14:51:42 <Broam> DocScrutinizer-8: Thankfully 1900 band is all over the place where I am, and if I need an 850/1900 phone, I do have an unlocked one.
Dec 16 14:51:47 <Broam> Is that a bad thing?
Dec 16 14:51:53 <Broam> or just sort of a "bonus feature"
Dec 16 14:52:12 <DocScrutinizer-8> sort of bonus feature
Dec 16 14:52:14 <JesusMcCloud> DocScrutinizer-8, different antenna langth equal better reception on different frequencies. band-pass filter and you only recieve in the freuqncy range you want to !?
Dec 16 14:52:16 <Broam> Neat
Dec 16 14:52:39 <Broam> JesusMcCloud:  I'd guess, through my limited EE knowledge that it probably boils down to that, but there's a bunch of regulation in the way
Dec 16 14:52:48 <DocScrutinizer-8> the gsm baseband chip is actually 4 band. only the RX filters are 3band
Dec 16 14:53:05 <Broam> And swapping out the filter would run you afoul of FCC/CE compliance
Dec 16 14:53:09 <DocScrutinizer-8> so you can do 850 thru the 900 branch
Dec 16 14:53:22 <JesusMcCloud> my pint would be that if some amps etc are firmaware controlled, one might be able ti fine tune?!
Dec 16 14:54:04 <JesusMcCloud> after all there is really nothign anymore these days that is pure hardware
Dec 16 14:54:37 <DocScrutinizer-8> nope. filters *are* pure hw
Dec 16 14:54:47 <Broam> JesusMcCloud: I do know this: a lot of electronics that's not concerned w/ telephony in the USA has to be "difficult to modify" to modifying frequencies or operate on frequencies that cell phones use. (According to FCC regulations. That knowledge is a little old but I'm sure it's still kinda true.)
Dec 16 14:54:57 <Broam> JesusMcCloud: I would assume the reverse is also true
Dec 16 14:55:43 <Broam> rephrase: difficult to modify so that a user cannot easily muck w/ cell phone networks or intercept calls etc
Dec 16 14:56:13 <DocScrutinizer-8> actually you could swap that one filter component to get US
Dec 16 14:56:14 <JesusMcCloud> Broam,  messing around with high frequency circuits without sophisitcated equipment is as sucessful al seeing awitchdoctor and praying for a miracolous modification
Dec 16 14:56:32 <Broam> JesusMcCloud: These days yes. :)
Dec 16 14:56:46 <Broam> DocScrutinizer-8: interesting.
Dec 16 14:57:57 <JesusMcCloud> DocScrutinizer-8, the fister is where, underneath the sheilding can, an all-in-one component, surface mounted?
Dec 16 14:58:11 <JesusMcCloud> s/fister/filter/
Dec 16 14:58:20 <DocScrutinizer-8> lol
Dec 16 14:58:34 <DocScrutinizer-8> yep
Dec 16 14:58:58 <JesusMcCloud> hahaha lol, have fun with replacing that SOB
Dec 16 14:59:31 <DocScrutinizer-8> be aware though: each single phone gets a careful calibration to meet FCC et al specs, at fab
Dec 16 14:59:46 <Broam> DocScrutinizer-8: I take it you actually work/worked for OM?
Dec 16 14:59:54 <dos1> pespin: do that via configure option
Dec 16 15:00:07 <DocScrutinizer-8> swapping filter will go unnoticed most likely but anyway voids FCC approval
Dec 16 15:00:07 <JesusMcCloud> DocScrutinizer-8, thats why i said messing with HF components is close to black magic without proper equipment
Dec 16 15:00:24 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~docscrutinizer
Dec 16 15:00:32 <pespin> dos1, never used it in my apps, any hint? :D
Dec 16 15:00:32 <DocScrutinizer-8> err
Dec 16 15:00:44 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~jOERG
Dec 16 15:01:02 <DocScrutinizer-8> apt: you lazy ashole??!
Dec 16 15:01:23 <DocScrutinizer-8> !lart apt
Dec 16 15:01:25 * cdbot2 pulls out his louisville slugger and uses apt's head to break the homerun record
Dec 16 15:02:22 <playya> ~lart apt
Dec 16 15:02:27 <playya> !joerg
Dec 16 15:02:29 <DocScrutinizer-8> Broam: so when apt is zombie ... yes, EE at OM
Dec 16 15:02:33 <Broam> I see
Dec 16 15:02:44 <Broam> Sounds like a very fun job
Dec 16 15:02:46 <Broam> :)
Dec 16 15:02:53 <playya> ok. just lazy, not swapped the bots syntax
Dec 16 15:03:05 <JesusMcCloud> Broam, do you have smd soldering equipment?
Dec 16 15:03:20 <Broam> JesusMcCloud: I have arthritis and micro movements of my fingers elude me.
Dec 16 15:03:42 <Broam> I can type. I can press buttons on most video game controllers, and I can click a mouse. And that's about it. And I'm not even 30 yet.
Dec 16 15:03:56 <DocScrutinizer-8> Broam: used to be fun at times, as long as it lasted
Dec 16 15:03:59 <Broam> JesusMcCloud: the only thing close to SMD soldering equipment I have in my house is a toaster oven
Dec 16 15:04:23 <JesusMcCloud> Broam, even if you didnt, i would not try changing a filter because of allowences of the parts
Dec 16 15:04:39 <Broam> JesusMcCloud: I wasn't *that* serious :)
Dec 16 15:05:05 <Broam> I just found it interesting. You don't usually get this much insight into hardware devices, because most manufacturers do not let you get on IRC and chat with their engineers
Dec 16 15:05:20 <Broam> DocScrutinizer-8: did you work on the wikireader as well? I could look this up I suppose
Dec 16 15:05:44 <DocScrutinizer-8> initially I contributed, yes
Dec 16 15:06:00 <Broam> Yes, I didn't see your name on the credits. :(
Dec 16 15:06:12 <DocScrutinizer-8> lol
Dec 16 15:06:29 <DocScrutinizer-8> there's a lot of guys missing in the credits
Dec 16 15:06:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> shame on Sean
Dec 16 15:06:53 <Broam> DocScrutinizer-8:  what are you doing now?
Dec 16 15:07:07 <DocScrutinizer-8> kinda idling
Dec 16 15:07:20 <JesusMcCloud> DocScrutinizer-8, what i am still wondering: the buzz and 1024... design flaw or cheap parts with nasty tolerances?
Dec 16 15:07:45 <DocScrutinizer-8> clearly fucked up design
Dec 16 15:08:11 <DocScrutinizer-8> buzz excusable. 1024 major fuckup
Dec 16 15:08:13 <JesusMcCloud> k
Dec 16 15:08:21 <Broam> what's the 1024?
Dec 16 15:08:27 <Broam> I'm not familiar. Link will do
Dec 16 15:08:34 <JesusMcCloud> Broam, it is fixed in a7
Dec 16 15:08:38 <gonzoism> bug #1024
Dec 16 15:08:47 <DocScrutinizer-8> 1024  is a layout oopsie
Dec 16 15:09:33 <Broam> aah
Dec 16 15:09:37 <Broam> deep sleep issues.
Dec 16 15:09:49 <gonzoism> i read that some units weren't affected by 1024.  is that true ?
Dec 16 15:10:02 <gonzoism> some units before a7
Dec 16 15:10:21 <DocScrutinizer-8> we got a regulator ourput and a feddback input. they should route to the power  sink with separate traces. but our gifted layouters connected the two pins at reg chip and then one trace even with a 0R to sink
Dec 16 15:11:19 <DocScrutinizer-8> :-S
Dec 16 15:12:21 <Broam> My friends joke about how I'm a horrible hardware guy, but I'm able to see how that's a huge problem
Dec 16 15:12:29 <DocScrutinizer-8> this is same issue for all gta02 and probably even 01
Dec 16 15:12:48 <Broam> any way to fix it beyond a razor blade & a steady hand to split the traces?
Dec 16 15:12:49 <Broam> :P
Dec 16 15:13:31 <DocScrutinizer-8> razorblade wont fly. 8layer. Needs a bigger buffer C
Dec 16 15:13:45 <DocScrutinizer-8> that's what 1024  fix does
Dec 16 15:13:57 <gonzoism> http://neofundas.blogspot.com/2009/09/1024-hardware-fixdeep-sleep.html  <-- is that accurate ?
Dec 16 15:14:04 <Broam> apparently every hardware issue can be solved by either turning stuff off more often, or adding a capacitor. :P
Dec 16 15:14:29 <JesusMcCloud> DocScrutinizer-8, i am surprised how much "pfusch" you can do to your freerunner and still have a workign phone...
Dec 16 15:14:43 <DocScrutinizer-8> lol
Dec 16 15:15:09 <JesusMcCloud> DocScrutinizer-8, i am serius: i still connot beleive my phone still works after how i fixed 1024:
Dec 16 15:15:17 <DocScrutinizer-8> gonzoism: sorry. N810 and too tired to check
Dec 16 15:16:10 <DocScrutinizer-8> gonzoism: please check wiki and hw-ml
Dec 16 15:16:20 <JesusMcCloud> thin wire goes out of the shielding can, connects to a big C an another thin wire connects to gnd near a drilled hole where the case screws go through... the capacitor is now nested within the gsam antenna thingie
Dec 16 15:16:24 <gonzoism> k
Dec 16 15:16:36 <JesusMcCloud> and it sill works...
Dec 16 15:17:25 <DocScrutinizer-8> JesusMcCloud: muhhaha. mind to upload a fotofootage please?
Dec 16 15:17:41 <JesusMcCloud> DocScrutinizer-8, i dont wanto to open my fr again
Dec 16 15:18:01 <DocScrutinizer-8> yeah I see ;-P
Dec 16 15:18:13 <JesusMcCloud> insulation consists of duct tape
Dec 16 15:18:29 <DocScrutinizer-8> JesusMcCloud: which C?
Dec 16 15:19:18 <JesusMcCloud> DocScrutinizer-8, ? i just added a 10µ elko in parallel (to the one c that needs to be switched with a bigger one to fix 1024)
Dec 16 15:19:33 <DocScrutinizer-8> k
Dec 16 15:19:38 <JesusMcCloud> dunno the part name anmyore
Dec 16 15:19:38 <Broam> I think that's one of the solutions in the link gozoism posted
Dec 16 15:19:52 <DocScrutinizer-8> nice to learn that worked for you
Dec 16 15:19:53 <gonzoism> i think so too
Dec 16 15:20:18 <gonzoism> also, it had pics. :)
Dec 16 15:20:25 <JesusMcCloud> DocScrutinizer-8, it is one of those cases where "it works" clearly menas "pfusch"
Dec 16 15:20:39 <JesusMcCloud> *means
Dec 16 15:20:47 <Broam> JesusMcCloud: I'm unaware of this pfusch of which you speak. But I can make some inferences
Dec 16 15:21:04 <DocScrutinizer-8> yeah. buzzfix also is a huge botch
Dec 16 15:21:25 <JesusMcCloud> (aaah botch.. that si the word i was lookign for)
Dec 16 15:21:56 <Broam> I heard that wired headset still has buzz issues
Dec 16 15:22:01 <Broam> s/heard/read
Dec 16 15:22:07 <JesusMcCloud> DocScrutinizer-8, but buzzfix.. well atleas the initlial layout is somewhat preserved.. components dont move inches...
Dec 16 15:22:28 <DocScrutinizer-8> yep, kinda
Dec 16 15:22:47 <JesusMcCloud> i mean it is not pretty, but not that bad
Dec 16 15:22:51 <DocScrutinizer-8> Broam: yes, forget wired headset and GSM
Dec 16 15:23:34 <JesusMcCloud> DocScrutinizer-8, although... you siggest scraping the pcb
Dec 16 15:24:02 <DocScrutinizer-8> Broam: or do fancy things to stop RF before it enters the device via hs-receptacle
Dec 16 15:24:06 <mrmoku> pespin: go and get it :)
Dec 16 15:24:36 <JesusMcCloud> anyways i gtg to university, caio
Dec 16 15:24:52 <Broam> DocScrutinizer-8: understood. Bluetooth works, right?
Dec 16 15:24:58 <pespin> mrmoku, thanks! :D
Dec 16 15:25:00 <DocScrutinizer-8> ciao jesus
Dec 16 15:25:10 <Broam> Anyway I have to get going as well. I have to see someone about this RSI
Dec 16 15:25:13 <DocScrutinizer-8> should
Dec 16 15:25:33 <pespin> mrmoku, I'll need it for this: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/06dda42d4f3fe0be701bda042b574830.png
Dec 16 15:25:35 <Broam> DocScrutinizer-8: I've had a lot of success with BT & Linux, just not with dund. But that's a story for another time.
Dec 16 15:25:35 <pespin> :)
Dec 16 15:25:47 <Broam> Take care all. Glad to see there's a community here, I thought everyone up and left. :)
Dec 16 15:26:04 <DocScrutinizer-8> not yet
Dec 16 15:26:06 <gonzoism> BT ?
Dec 16 15:26:14 <Broam> gonzoism:  bluetooth
Dec 16 15:26:20 <gonzoism> ah.  cool
Dec 16 15:26:30 <gonzoism> pepsin, nice.
Dec 16 15:32:18 <mrmoku> pespin: ohh, nice :)
Dec 16 15:33:07 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~DocScrutinizer
Dec 16 15:33:09 <apt> from memory, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
Dec 16 15:33:27 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~botsnak
Dec 16 15:33:32 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~botsnack
Dec 16 15:33:43 <gonzoism> playya, the milestone looks nice.
Dec 16 15:34:00 <playya> yes.
Dec 16 15:34:08 <DocScrutinizer-8> hrhrr he choked on the poisened one
Dec 16 15:34:20 <playya> and (at least the dummy) is really thin
Dec 16 15:34:29 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~botsnack
Dec 16 15:34:48 <playya> and someone already booted a custom kernel
Dec 16 15:35:32 <DocScrutinizer-8> or is there another netsplit pending?
Dec 16 15:36:39 <pespin> dos1, If bluetooth is set as "Auto" in shr-settings, all I have to do to power it up is request it like this: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Resource/Bluetooth org.freesmartphone.Resource.Enable
Dec 16 15:37:33 <dos1> pespin: nooo
Dec 16 15:37:34 <DocScrutinizer-8> pespin: maybe even more like fsoraw -r BT fooMP3
Dec 16 15:37:39 <dos1> pespin: that's plain wrong and bad ;p
Dec 16 15:37:53 <dos1> DocScrutinizer-8: use ousaged interface to RequestResource
Dec 16 15:38:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> dos1: or that
Dec 16 15:38:51 <dos1> s/DocScrutinizer-8/pespin/
Dec 16 15:38:52 <dos1> :D
Dec 16 15:39:48 <pespin> am I wrong?
Dec 16 15:40:19 <dos1> pespin: yes :P
Dec 16 15:40:21 <DocScrutinizer-8> dos1: I get it PA-A2DP driver should do that?
Dec 16 15:40:23 <dos1> pespin: it will be something like mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.RequestResource Bluetooth
Dec 16 15:40:45 <pespin> dos1, ok, thanks :)
Dec 16 15:40:52 <DocScrutinizer-8> or s/PA/ALSA/
Dec 16 15:41:00 <dos1> pespin: but that was written from memory, check it before using ;)
Dec 16 15:41:32 <DocScrutinizer-8> pespin: check wikipage "FSO resources"
Dec 16 15:41:39 <DocScrutinizer-8> ask PaulFertser 
Dec 16 15:42:15 <playya> dos1, nooo
Dec 16 15:42:25 <playya> use org.shr.usage
Dec 16 15:42:44 <dos1> oh, yup
Dec 16 15:42:50 <dos1> with mdbus RequestResource won't work
Dec 16 15:42:53 <playya> usage uses references counting and checks if a client leaves the bus
Dec 16 15:43:04 <dos1> pespin: but in your app you should use RequestResource
Dec 16 15:43:28 <pespin> dos1, yep, talking about inside an app :)
Dec 16 15:43:30 <DocScrutinizer-8> heh. won't you guys go out to the snow and settle that like gentlemen? ;-P
Dec 16 15:43:38 <pespin> xD
Dec 16 15:44:10 <pespin> it's really cold here in Barcelona now :S
Dec 16 15:44:41 <PaulFertser> pespin: i bet it's colder in Moscow atm.
Dec 16 15:44:52 <PaulFertser> pespin: it's like -27 yesterday night.
Dec 16 15:44:53 <pespin> PaulFertser, that for sure :P
Dec 16 15:44:58 <gonzoism> i wonder how i disassemble my freerunner...  gta02A6   i'll go look for instructions.
Dec 16 15:45:12 <PaulFertser> pespin: do you still cycle? I do. :P
Dec 16 15:45:20 <pespin> it's colder than usually, that's all haha
Dec 16 15:45:37 <DocScrutinizer-8> gonzoism: meh
Dec 16 15:46:04 <DocScrutinizer-8> won't find any better instructions than mine ;-D
Dec 16 15:46:14 <pespin> PaulFertser, then you must be death! :)
Dec 16 15:46:40 <gonzoism> DocScrutinizer-8: where are yours ?
Dec 16 15:47:01 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: who should allocate BT resource? and which way?
Dec 16 15:47:26 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: in an ideal world it should happen automatically, that is any app that wants to use it asks FSO explicitly.
Dec 16 15:48:15 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: if music player is switched to use A2DP i assume it should requestresource itself.
Dec 16 15:51:12 <CIA-78> SHR: 03mok 07phonefsod * rf22c656a0cb0 10/src/phonefsod-fso.c: don't dim or show IdleScreen when Display is requested
Dec 16 15:52:00 <PaulFertser> BTW, when anyone else will mention "dund" or "pand" or something like that everyone should be like "boo" and tell him to go use proper bluez4 api instead ;) 
Dec 16 16:00:37 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: more verbous
Dec 16 16:00:37 <DocScrutinizer-8> e
Dec 16 16:00:38 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: see backscroll for confusion of world
Dec 16 16:01:03 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: I'd suggest the modprobe of whatever bt-prot (sco, a2dp...) driver should do it. I see that'll be another layer violation though ;-/
Dec 16 16:01:09 <DocScrutinizer-8> OTOH  I got the flu. So best thing is to ignore me ;-D
Dec 16 16:01:35 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: I think libalsahookexec can delay opening of an audio device for an arbitrary timespan, until system() returns. Imagine calling the BT manager UI
Dec 16 16:01:42 <DocScrutinizer-8> that idea has a weird appeal
Dec 16 16:05:50 <DocScrutinizer-8> aaah netsplit? so feel happy everybody. Obviously you managed to avoid my mumbling
Dec 16 16:05:57 <BiggMatt> someone knows how to disable keyboard from terminal?
Dec 16 16:06:29 <BiggMatt> like wrench->display->keyboard->none
Dec 16 16:08:02 <BiggMatt> mrmoku, do you know how to disable keyboard from terminal? like wrench->display->keyboard->none
Dec 16 16:09:54 <BiggMatt> dos1?
Dec 16 16:11:14 <dos1> BiggMatt: no
Dec 16 16:11:27 <BiggMatt> ty
Dec 16 16:12:02 <dos1> dunno if it's possible
Dec 16 16:13:28 <BiggMatt> .....
Dec 16 16:13:35 <BiggMatt> it must be possible...
Dec 16 16:15:04 <DocScrutinizer51> netsplits make me cry
Dec 16 16:16:12 <DocScrutinizer51> PaulFertser: 164729 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer-8: in an ideal world    was last post here
Dec 16 16:17:21 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ping
Dec 16 16:21:20 <DocScrutinizer-8> PaulFertser: ping
Dec 16 16:23:31 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~botsnack
Dec 16 16:23:48 * DocScrutinizer-8 sobs
Dec 16 16:25:04 <apt> DocScrutinizer-8: aw, gee
Dec 16 16:26:10 <DocScrutinizer-8> aw, gee. only 3 minutes. the last call took 15
Dec 16 16:27:07 <Q-Master> hm
Dec 16 16:27:27 * Q-Master almost forgot to add mmcblk0 to udev mount.blacklist
Dec 16 16:34:29 <BiggMatt> my shr testing doesn't read contacts from sim... suggestions?
Dec 16 16:34:54 <roh> DocScrutinizer did some debian updates last night...please holler if anything didnt survive
Dec 16 16:35:57 <DocScrutinizer51> roh: yeah. my opensuse sata drivers in initrd were killed. no kidding
Dec 16 16:36:29 <DocScrutinizer51> roh: not by *your* updates though I guess ;-)
Dec 16 16:36:59 <DocScrutinizer51> roh: anyway I'm pretty much offline ATM
Dec 16 16:37:18 <von_fritz> BiggMatt ..sim ready?
Dec 16 16:38:50 <roh> DocScrutinizer51: last night... well... anyhow... use the admin trac if neccesary.. that will mail me, so i know ;) not using any moko services daily besides Ămail and planet nowadays
Dec 16 16:39:50 <DocScrutinizer51> roh: great to have you around taking care :-)
Dec 16 16:40:54 <BiggMatt> yes, i receive calls and messages von_fritz
Dec 16 16:41:00 <roh> DocScrutinizer51 was just because its congress soon... you know... and i'd really like to not make obvious errors like not updating before ;)
Dec 16 16:42:38 <DocScrutinizer51> anyway I'll have to set up a completely new environment (from wallpaper to email accounts and bookmarks) as that friggin kde3 isn't supported any longer. so I have to cope with nasty kde4 now
Dec 16 16:42:49 * von_fritz NOTE: Preparing runqueue ....yawns
Dec 16 16:42:52 <roh> *g*
Dec 16 16:43:45 <roh> DocScrutinizer51 still happy with gnome. now i even got 3d support (low fps on gaming still) but stable and with suspend and all niftyness including compiz if i like
Dec 16 16:43:51 <DocScrutinizer51> cya. need to install that shit for a customer now
Dec 16 16:44:10 <roh> with free drivers that is
Dec 16 16:44:18 <roh> have fun
Dec 16 16:46:27 <von_fritz> BiggMatt starting app from terminal says nothing?
Dec 16 16:48:20 <playya> anyone is able to build a shr-image atm?
Dec 16 17:09:37 <JaMa> playya: me
Dec 16 17:31:43 <dos1> mrmoku|away: oh, there is still posibility that backlight will be pernamently disabled...
Dec 16 17:31:58 <dos1> mrmoku|away: when user triggers manual suspend while being on busy state
Dec 16 17:32:35 <dos1> mrmoku|away: then on resume value 0 is got as reference
Dec 16 17:46:09 <mrmoku> JaMa: looks like RREPLACES is working :)
Dec 16 17:46:33 <mrmoku> dos1: reproducable by simply suspending from busy?
Dec 16 17:47:06 <mrmoku> hmm... not for me
Dec 16 18:02:22 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc898a0ec7c81 10/libfsoframework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libfsoframework: remove accidantly committed binary; use non-ambiguous name for delegate holder in kobjectnotifier
Dec 16 18:02:50 <TAsn> dos1, ffs opimd keeps on saving crap on my sim :| (messages) sometimes...
Dec 16 18:11:02 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re36e1ede577b 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/process.vala: libfsoframework: add ProcessGuard::sendSignal( int )
Dec 16 18:13:26 <mrmoku> TAsn: installed the dimming fix already?
Dec 16 18:13:33 <TAsn> no
Dec 16 18:13:38 <TAsn> didn't know about it.
Dec 16 18:13:44 <mrmoku> no you do :)
Dec 16 18:13:46 <mrmoku> +w
Dec 16 18:13:49 * TAsn is upgrading :P
Dec 16 18:13:54 <TAsn> fixes display?
Dec 16 18:13:57 <mrmoku> yup
Dec 16 18:14:05 <TAsn> cool :P
Dec 16 18:15:58 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r92e68d0fc1cb 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/process.vala: 
Dec 16 18:15:58 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: libfsoframework: add ProcessGuard.setAutoRelaunch( bool )
Dec 16 18:15:58 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: automatic relaunching will be disabled, if the guard dies before the process, or
Dec 16 18:15:58 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: if any attempt to relaunch is not successful.
Dec 16 18:17:50 <mickeyl> DocScrutinizer51: mer's mission is to stay close to maemo. doesn't look like they are interested in FSO.
Dec 16 18:18:17 <TAsn> mrmoku, works :P
Dec 16 18:18:51 <TAsn> thanks.
Dec 16 18:18:57 <raja> Hi I want to try to  build SHR image can any one suggest which linux distribution to use
Dec 16 18:19:05 <TAsn> opimd is as slow as ever.
Dec 16 18:19:08 <TAsn> raja, the one you got.
Dec 16 18:19:18 <mickeyl> raja: everything but fedora 
Dec 16 18:19:34 <mrmoku> mickeyl: nah
Dec 16 18:19:37 <TAsn> mickeyl, isn't that just personal preference? :P
Dec 16 18:19:41 <mrmoku> raja: fedora works fine for me :)
Dec 16 18:19:43 <mickeyl> well
Dec 16 18:19:47 <mickeyl> fedora is known for the extravagancies towards utilities
Dec 16 18:19:51 <raja> ooh I am trying with ubuntu facing a couple of issues so I though there may be a more appropriate one
Dec 16 18:19:56 <mickeyl> every time a new fedora comes out we have support nightmares on #oe
Dec 16 18:20:00 <TAsn> ubuntu is great.
Dec 16 18:20:01 <raja> thanks for suggestion
Dec 16 18:20:31 <TAsn> ciao for the meanwhile 
Dec 16 18:22:45 <mickeyl> how do i revert an ip tables command such as
Dec 16 18:22:46 <mickeyl>             "iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j ACCEPT",
Dec 16 18:22:47 <mickeyl> ?
Dec 16 18:23:16 * mickeyl discovers [rulenum]
Dec 16 18:25:52 <mickeyl> are the numbers persistent or can they change?
Dec 16 18:27:59 <bumbl_> mickeyl: well you would have to adapt 6 months later when other distros catch up with fedora awesomeness
Dec 16 18:30:03 <mickeyl> RH using unreleased toolchain sources pretty much killed the distro's creditibility for me some years ago
Dec 16 18:30:28 <mickeyl> back then i was using C++ and they completely broke ABI compat
Dec 16 18:30:56 <mickeyl> even twice actually, since the one they chose was not the final one from the gcc guys
Dec 16 18:31:07 <mickeyl> so we had to go through two breakages instead of one
Dec 16 18:31:28 <mickeyl> and does anyone remember gcc 2.96? :D
Dec 16 18:32:09 <mickeyl> yes, it's almost 10 years ago
Dec 16 18:32:17 <mickeyl> still i can feel it hurting
Dec 16 18:32:20 <mickeyl> *shrug*
Dec 16 18:35:03 * DocScrutinizer-8 cloudy recalls uneasy feelings with this number
Dec 16 18:36:10 <DocScrutinizer-8> that's even been a time where you actually *needed* gcc for a simple standard linux install
Dec 16 18:36:18 <DocScrutinizer-8> iirc
Dec 16 18:37:59 <DocScrutinizer-8> as the modularization was not that great (if at all) and you usually had to build your own custom tailored monolitic kernel
Dec 16 18:49:45 <DocScrutinizer-8> hmm, on 2nd thought that seems to be more like 13 years ago
Dec 16 19:02:40 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6069c400bc63 10/fsonetworkd/src/plugins/sharing/plugin.vala: fsonetworkd: if we stop sharing our internet connection, remove ip table chains and kill udhcpc
Dec 16 19:03:59 <DocScrutinizer51> mickeyl: ...and restore etc/resolv.conf to its previous state
Dec 16 19:04:44 <DocScrutinizer51> ahh, not exactly that moment I guess. Nevertheless
Dec 16 19:06:19 <mickeyl> no, good point
Dec 16 19:09:50 <DocScrutinizer51> i.e. mv etc/resolv.conf.saved etc/resolv.conf
Dec 16 19:11:31 <JesusMcCloud> ~ping
Dec 16 19:11:33 <apt> ~pong
Dec 16 19:11:33 <JesusMcCloud> warghl...
Dec 16 19:13:05 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~pong JesusMcCloud 
Dec 16 19:13:07 <apt> JesusMcCloud: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 16 19:13:58 <JesusMcCloud> (was just checking if apt works again)
Dec 16 19:14:42 <gonzoism> ~botsnack
Dec 16 19:14:43 <apt> gonzoism: aw, gee
Dec 16 19:15:07 <DocScrutinizer-8> heh. took as lil' as ~15min to answer a "dict test" this afternoon 
Dec 16 19:15:34 <DocScrutinizer-8> and ~3min for "aw, gee" ;-P
Dec 16 19:15:53 <gonzoism> :)
Dec 16 19:17:51 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~seen PaulFertser
Dec 16 19:17:56 <apt> paulfertser <n=PaulFert@mail.nixl.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 3h 25m 51s ago, saying: 'BTW, when anyone else will mention "dund" or "pand" or something like that everyone should be like "boo" and tell him to go use proper bluez4 api instead ;) '.
Dec 16 19:21:32 <mickeyl> hmm, one of these days i need to check how to extend our one-call network sharing to include bluetooth
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Dec 16 19:35:29 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3ed8ecfd794f 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (Makefile.am overlay.vala): libfsoframework: add OverlayFile class
Dec 16 20:29:03 <bumbl> dos1: have some time?
Dec 16 20:36:38 <dos1> bumbl: quite limited...
Dec 16 20:42:02 <CIA-78> SHR: 03mok 07shr-specs * r953f917d8f8c 10/org.shr.phoneui/org.shr.phoneui.PhoneLog.xml.in: rename PhoneLog.DisplayList to Display and drop filter argument (for now)
Dec 16 20:43:19 <TAsn> mrmoku, why drop the filter argument? (what was it for?)
Dec 16 20:43:37 <TAsn> Display should have one parameter to choose which page to start in
Dec 16 20:43:48 <TAsn> nothing more, don't you think?
Dec 16 20:44:33 <mrmoku> TAsn: how would you give that argument?
Dec 16 20:44:34 <bumbl> dos1: fso/opimd behaves really strange - i get most of my sms twice (not with sim backend)
Dec 16 20:44:48 <TAsn> what do you mean?
Dec 16 20:44:51 <TAsn> bumbl, SAME HERE!
Dec 16 20:44:57 <TAsn> I was trying to tell him that, he wouldn't listen :P
Dec 16 20:45:02 <TAsn> bumbl, twice on a good day
Dec 16 20:45:07 <TAsn> three/four on a bad day :P
Dec 16 20:45:25 <TAsn> mrmoku, what do you mean? 
Dec 16 20:45:28 <mrmoku> TAsn: I mean... you start phonelog with an icon in the launcher
Dec 16 20:45:33 <bumbl> + phoneui messages crashes when i trie to open an unread message (which then is marked unread and i can open it fine)
Dec 16 20:45:35 <mrmoku> how do you give it an argument?
Dec 16 20:45:52 <TAsn> mrmoku, not necessarily
Dec 16 20:46:05 <TAsn> one may want to start missed/incoming/outgoing calls from his app
Dec 16 20:46:19 <TAsn> therefor we should provide such option :P
Dec 16 20:46:27 <bumbl> TAsn: funniest thing was: i got 6 sms in one go - 2 new ones (unique) and 4 sms which i have already received twice or three times yesterday and/or on saturday and sunday
Dec 16 20:46:42 <TAsn> bumbl, try erasing them and then rebooting the phone
Dec 16 20:46:45 <TAsn> you'll get them again :P
Dec 16 20:46:57 <TAsn> mrmoku, although this is not dbus related
Dec 16 20:46:58 <dos1> hmm
Dec 16 20:47:07 <TAsn> I'd like to start phonelog on "outgoing" page
Dec 16 20:47:09 <TAsn> from dialer
Dec 16 20:47:17 <dos1> it works correctly here :x
Dec 16 20:47:19 <bumbl> dos1: it involves heavy modem activity though
Dec 16 20:47:20 <TAsn> when clicking on a button
Dec 16 20:47:21 <TAsn> or something.
Dec 16 20:47:32 <bumbl> so it seems the carrier seems to send the sms twice
Dec 16 20:47:39 <TAsn> dos1, opimd molested me :(
Dec 16 20:47:45 <TAsn> bumbl, no
Dec 16 20:47:50 <TAsn> it seems that the modem is buggy
Dec 16 20:48:11 <bumbl> maybe fso/opimd misses to tell the carrier that the sms arrieved and the carrier sends them again
Dec 16 20:48:26 <TAsn> as there's no reason why a carrier would send sms's more than once for you and for me and only on the moko.
Dec 16 20:48:30 <TAsn> bumbl, that's probably it.
Dec 16 20:48:32 <bumbl> that might also be why they usually duplicate when a new sms gets in
Dec 16 20:48:52 <dos1> opimd calls AckMessage
Dec 16 20:49:00 <dos1> or NackMessage, if processing somehow failed
Dec 16 20:49:07 <bumbl> TAsn: i confirm the heavy modem activity by my genuine "loudspeaker-modem-interference test"
Dec 16 20:49:08 <TAsn> dos1, this explains it then.
Dec 16 20:49:13 <dos1> TAsn: as it should...
Dec 16 20:49:24 <TAsn> dos1, when you query opimd
Dec 16 20:49:33 <TAsn> it probably lags with sending the ack
Dec 16 20:49:33 <dos1> TAsn: because behaviour of diplicated message would be if opimd wouldn't call AckMessage ;PO
Dec 16 20:49:40 <dos1> hmm
Dec 16 20:50:01 <TAsn> dos1, Do you use sync or async sqlite calls?
Dec 16 20:50:03 <dos1> but i have huge database here
Dec 16 20:50:05 <TAsn> (are there such things)
Dec 16 20:50:15 <TAsn> dos1, try to open messages app
Dec 16 20:50:21 <TAsn> and get an sms
Dec 16 20:50:31 <dos1> TAsn: dunno ;P
Dec 16 20:50:33 <daniele_athome> i'm buidling shared-mime-info
Dec 16 20:50:39 <daniele_athome> from shr unstable, do_compile error :(
Dec 16 20:50:44 <dos1> TAsn: i only know isolation layer is set to none per your request
Dec 16 20:50:50 <dos1> and that made everything slow as hell ;p
Dec 16 20:51:09 <TAsn> so undo it
Dec 16 20:51:22 <daniele_athome> do_compile log: http://pastebin.com/d1dcf72c9
Dec 16 20:51:25 <TAsn> I just said it's good for saving everything
Dec 16 20:51:28 <TAsn> as without it
Dec 16 20:51:30 <TAsn> if the phone crashes
Dec 16 20:51:33 <TAsn> you'll miss data.
Dec 16 20:51:40 <bumbl> TAsn: + phoneui is crashing when i trie to open an unread message (which then is marked unread and i can open it fine)
Dec 16 20:51:47 <bumbl> s/trie/try/
Dec 16 20:51:48 <apt> bumbl meant: TAsn: + phoneui is crashing when i try to open an unread message (which then is marked unread and i can open it fine)
Dec 16 20:52:09 <TAsn> *which is then marked as read
Dec 16 20:52:09 <TAsn> ?
Dec 16 20:52:14 <TAsn> no idea :P
Dec 16 20:52:42 <TAsn> who said something about a virtual host?
Dec 16 20:52:48 <TAsn> *virtual provider
Dec 16 20:52:53 <TAsn> and problems with idle screen?
Dec 16 20:53:08 <TAsn> dos1, btw I get another annoying behavior
Dec 16 20:53:14 <mrmoku> TAsn: the RREPLACES works btw. :)
Dec 16 20:53:32 <TAsn> sometimes I get the sms (shown in idle_screen) a couple of minutes or at least one minute
Dec 16 20:53:38 <TAsn> before the sound rings :P
Dec 16 20:53:46 <TAsn> mrmoku, yeah, I read the ML :P
Dec 16 20:53:56 <bumbl> TAsn: Steps to reproduce: New SMS (duplicate or unique does not matter) -> Fire up Message app -> select the new Message -> it is shown for ~0.5s but when could clearly read Unread (In) -> Message app crashes silently -> Fire up Message app again -> Select the new Message -> It is marked as unread and everything works as it should
Dec 16 20:53:58 <Wonka> hm. enlightenment segfaults on me.
Dec 16 20:54:27 <bumbl> TAsn: i could confirm that
Dec 16 20:54:29 <TAsn> bumbl, lol, so just opening new messages segs for you?
Dec 16 20:54:30 <TAsn> :|
Dec 16 20:54:33 <bumbl> yes
Dec 16 20:54:35 <TAsn> bumbl, try setting debug on
Dec 16 20:54:38 <bumbl> but for all
Dec 16 20:54:40 <TAsn> and gimme a log
Dec 16 20:54:47 <TAsn> bumbl, maybe split sms?
Dec 16 20:54:54 <TAsn> (long sms)
Dec 16 20:55:31 <dos1> TAsn: that's really slow...
Dec 16 20:55:32 <bumbl> TAsn: some sms just one or two words
Dec 16 20:55:42 <dos1> ok, i'll make it more isolated then again ;P
Dec 16 20:56:07 <TAsn> bumbl, ok, disproved my theory :P
Dec 16 20:56:56 <TAsn> dos1, okie, but please read about isolation levels and choose a more suitable isolation level
Dec 16 20:57:03 <TAsn> and make sure db is getting written on shutdown!
Dec 16 20:57:18 <dos1> TAsn: so please write a memo to me :D
Dec 16 20:57:29 <bumbl> TAsn: enable debugging in /etc/phoneui.conf?
Dec 16 20:57:40 <TAsn> bumbl, aye.
Dec 16 20:57:51 <bumbl> TAsn: but that's another thing i hate about fso/shr - not being able to write long sms
Dec 16 20:57:53 <TAsn> dos1, no, just don't break it before you read it :P
Dec 16 20:58:00 <TAsn> bumbl, you can.
Dec 16 20:58:01 <TAsn> ffs.
Dec 16 20:58:05 <TAsn> for a couple of months
Dec 16 20:58:11 <TAsn> even more
Dec 16 20:58:23 <TAsn> next time, if you care about a feature, add yourself to the ticket's cc
Dec 16 20:58:25 <TAsn> :|
Dec 16 20:58:39 <TAsn> bumbl, you can send and receive long sms for months
Dec 16 20:58:48 <bumbl> TAsn: for a couple of months all it did was constantly crashing my modem so that all sms i send would not receive whoever they might be sent including the long sms
Dec 16 20:59:17 <TAsn> bumbl, ok, so try now, it works :
Dec 16 20:59:17 <TAsn> P
Dec 16 20:59:41 <bumbl> TAsn: last time i checked intentionally was a month ago
Dec 16 20:59:51 <dos1> bumbl: mouth ago = ages ago
Dec 16 20:59:54 <dos1> bumbl: now it works ;P
Dec 16 20:59:56 <TAsn> it worked flawlessly then
Dec 16 20:59:58 <TAsn> it also worked then.
Dec 16 21:00:11 <bumbl> TAsn: well it didn't here
Dec 16 21:00:28 <TAsn> imho, it was added in phonegui-efl2 for sure, and I think also in efl
Dec 16 21:00:29 <dos1> TAsn: really? i don't think all those changed were synced into shr-unstable month ago ;P
Dec 16 21:00:30 <TAsn> :|
Dec 16 21:00:42 <dos1> TAsn: in phonegui-efl - i'm sure it wasn't
Dec 16 21:00:59 <TAsn> dos1, I don't think you are correct.
Dec 16 21:01:09 <TAsn> but anyhow, it was surely there in the mrmoku/tests era
Dec 16 21:04:41 <dos1> TAsn: it's still not there in phonegui-efl in shr.git ;p
Dec 16 21:04:48 <dos1> as far as i see
Dec 16 21:04:57 <TAsn> sec.
Dec 16 21:05:53 <dos1> TAsn: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr.git;a=blob;f=libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src/view/message-new-view.c
Dec 16 21:06:45 <TAsn> yep
Dec 16 21:06:47 <TAsn> not there
Dec 16 21:06:51 <TAsn> but it is in efl2
Dec 16 21:07:41 <dos1> TAsn: but efl2 wasn't default
Dec 16 21:07:43 <TAsn> http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2.git;a=blob;f=src/view/message-new-view.c#l500
Dec 16 21:07:45 <TAsn> I know.
Dec 16 21:07:45 <dos1> TAsn: so i was right ;p
Dec 16 21:07:50 <TAsn> Yeah.
Dec 16 21:07:53 <TAsn> you were.
Dec 16 21:08:02 <TAsn> though I talked about mrmoku/tests era
Dec 16 21:08:08 <TAsn> and then efl2 was default (wasn't it?)
Dec 16 21:08:36 <dos1> TAsn: he didn't say if he was using shr-unstable or tests/mrmoku/unstable ;P
Dec 16 21:18:48 <pespin> is the second parameter of org.bluez.Adapter.SetProperty( s:None, v:None ) of type DBUS_TYPE_VARIANT ?
Dec 16 21:20:23 <pespin> mickey|dinner, ^
Dec 16 21:27:41 <TAsn> nigt
Dec 16 21:27:51 <TAsn> A huge storm is coming :P
Dec 16 21:28:05 * TAsn will go surfing in the next couple of days :P
Dec 16 21:28:40 <mrmoku> TAsn: going to do the phoneui-utils stuff myself then ;)
Dec 16 21:28:51 <TAsn> hehe, sorry :P
Dec 16 21:28:58 <TAsn> I didn't even gotten there
Dec 16 21:29:09 <TAsn> been studying/wasting my time without a real reason, all day :|
Dec 16 21:29:38 <TAsn> and then a Hanukkah party at work :(
Dec 16 21:29:40 <TAsn> sucks.
Dec 16 21:30:01 <TAsn> as it'll be quite lame
Dec 16 21:30:17 <TAsn> it's not the fun new years parties you may have :P
Dec 16 21:30:49 <mrmoku> :P
Dec 16 21:31:03 <mrmoku> no problem... as I did not even bump the lfg rev yet :)
Dec 16 21:34:45 <TAsn> oh, so it's only partially my fault for being lazy
Dec 16 21:34:49 <TAsn> if I only knew about it :P
Dec 16 21:37:57 <gonzoism> i'm getting double sms messages a lot too.
Dec 16 21:38:37 <gonzoism> actually, multiple copies of the sms with different timestamps in the sms list.
Dec 16 21:48:18 <gonzoism> lol, setting the date seemed to crash my phone.
Dec 16 21:52:35 <PaulFert`> DocScrutinizer51: sorry, i had to go the moment netsplit occured.
Dec 16 22:13:01 <CIA-78> SHR: 03mok 07shr-specs * r63dd65685a5a 10/org.shr.phoneui/org.shr.phoneui.PhoneLog.xml.in: Revert "rename PhoneLog.DisplayList to Display and drop filter argument (for now)"
Dec 16 22:38:19 <CIA-78> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r373a8a31d92e 10/libfsoframework/tests/ (Makefile.am overlayfile.txt testoverlay.vala): libfsoframework: add unit test for OverlayFile
Dec 16 22:56:35 <CIA-78> SHR: 03mok 07phonefsod * r8fb43f6436e6 10/src/phonefsod-fso.c: #812: request CPU resource when calls are ongoing
Dec 16 23:09:05 <CIA-78> SHR: 03mok 07phonefsod * r76d8cc085946 10/src/phonefsod.c: #743: force creation of pidfile
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