**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 19 02:59:56 2009 Dec 19 05:23:30 thanks, i'll upgrade my u-boot Dec 19 05:56:00 moin Dec 19 06:11:13 Docscrutemp: moon! Dec 19 06:13:25 no moon here Dec 19 06:13:55 and friggin cooooohohohold Dec 19 06:14:15 if no moon.... sun? Dec 19 06:14:37 how cold? Dec 19 06:14:46 i see berlin says... -14 Dec 19 06:14:49 ok. that's cold Dec 19 06:14:51 well actually I seen 15C less - once or twice in my life Dec 19 06:15:28 http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/50 Dec 19 06:15:32 thats just silly Dec 19 06:15:38 -8 -> -14 today Dec 19 06:15:48 and next wednesday.. -13-> 4 with light rain Dec 19 06:15:50 SILLY! Dec 19 06:15:52 ooh. there actually should be a small moon Dec 19 06:15:55 make up your mind Dec 19 06:15:59 be cold and snow Dec 19 06:16:01 or not. Dec 19 06:16:05 but just make up your mind! Dec 19 06:17:40 bah I hate that white shit. like a big camenbert or the fire brigades gone mad Dec 19 06:18:26 actually there just enough of it outside here right now Dec 19 06:18:38 * mwester has enjoyed outside temps where the F and C scales read the same figure. ;) Dec 19 06:18:47 hehe Dec 19 06:19:02 it is always nice when your toothpaste is frozen Dec 19 06:19:18 Well, we kept our toothpaste inside. Dec 19 06:19:29 * spaetz did raindeer sledge tour with -30 Celsius, so there was no inside :) Dec 19 06:19:32 Which is where all sane people are when it's that cold. Dec 19 06:20:32 not leaving home if avoidable by any means Dec 19 06:20:50 no different to summer Dec 19 06:20:55 when its 40 degrees outside Dec 19 06:20:57 or worse Dec 19 06:20:58 :) Dec 19 06:21:19 you are not leaving your airconditioned hut unless you have to Dec 19 06:21:40 hmm. somewhat the air inside is still better in summer Dec 19 06:22:02 not at 40+ Dec 19 06:22:03 :) Dec 19 06:23:02 heat is mere uncomfort. cold injures immediately Dec 19 06:23:29 people die of heatstroke Dec 19 06:23:59 * spaetz prefers cold to heat Dec 19 06:24:25 yeah Dec 19 06:24:31 if i have to pick my discomfort - i'll take cold Dec 19 06:24:44 at least u can put on clothes and jump up and down to warm up Dec 19 06:24:50 when its 42 degrees Dec 19 06:25:01 and you arleady are down to your boxers... there isnt much you can do Dec 19 06:25:18 (and going totally pants-off isnt gong to make all that much difference at that stage) Dec 19 06:25:39 not to mention my electronics begins to really get unhappy at that temp Dec 19 06:25:42 The problem is that humans are poorly designed; the operational temperature range is astonishingly small. Dec 19 06:25:51 at least in the gold... your pc case acts as an awesome little foot warmer Dec 19 06:25:56 the cat knows that all too well Dec 19 06:26:14 (and curls up at the air outtake vent of the pc when it's cold) Dec 19 06:26:38 mwester: do you have human v 2.0 ready for relase? :) Dec 19 06:26:46 hehe! Dec 19 06:26:49 friggin netsplit Dec 19 06:28:12 mwester: shame we cant just easily patch our src Dec 19 06:28:13 :) Dec 19 06:29:20 I think some have tried, the result is usually a crash of sorts. ;) Dec 19 06:29:52 heheheh Dec 19 06:29:53 not always Dec 19 06:30:57 is there some weird sort of DNS DDoS going on for freenode now? Dec 19 06:31:13 MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAAH Dec 19 06:32:03 shitty intrnts Dec 19 06:32:21 let me put it this way: with a astronaut siut you are safe all times. but without clothes you survive 40C much better than -15 Dec 19 06:32:36 was what I typed QPmin ago Dec 19 06:32:44 10 even Dec 19 06:33:31 what is almost what mwester elaborated on I guess Dec 19 06:33:40 dunno Dec 19 06:33:44 with 40 u dont want clothes Dec 19 06:33:45 :) Dec 19 06:34:04 with -15... a good ski suit some thermals and bobs your uncle Dec 19 06:34:24 been skiing in that kind of weather... no problems Dec 19 06:36:26 I managed to reduce my very private CO2 footprint so my heating isn't used to warm up body at -15 ambient Dec 19 06:37:53 dont worry Dec 19 06:37:58 just make me tired, which probably is a dangerous thing Dec 19 06:38:04 global warming will mean you soon will not need to heat anymore Dec 19 06:38:04 :) Dec 19 06:38:17 youw ill be warm and cozy Dec 19 06:38:21 and we here in au will fry Dec 19 06:38:22 :) Dec 19 06:38:53 if only it was that simple Dec 19 06:39:45 actually the more power you charge into weather engine the more extremes you see. bot heat and cold as well Dec 19 06:40:03 i know. it was a joke. Dec 19 06:40:04 :) Dec 19 06:40:59 * mwester prepares a bill for several million carbon credits to send to Mount St. Helens. Dec 19 06:41:12 damn volcanos. Dec 19 06:41:25 How dare they? Dec 19 06:41:43 yeah and when they complained about -21 in finland I said 'thats global warming' - no kidding Dec 19 06:42:07 I say evolve faster. Dec 19 06:42:12 nobody got that pun I guess Dec 19 06:42:18 That really pissed off some of the local green freaks here. :D Dec 19 06:42:46 hehe Dec 19 06:44:37 mwester: if those volcanos did a decent job they would overcompensate CO2 with dust and sulfur shielding the globe from inbound radiation Dec 19 06:48:01 raster: how to find out about the actual DNS server used... in maemo? Dec 19 06:48:13 And I thought I heard somewhere that volcanic soils are very fertile -- so if properly distributed, they would increase crop yeilds too! Dec 19 06:49:32 I propose we drill into the mantle, drop nukes in,and start some volcanos. Has the added benefit that we will also advance nuclear disarmament by providing a useful thing for countries to do with their bombs. :) Dec 19 06:49:32 and esp the very important sea green errrr Algen, Phytoplancton Dec 19 06:49:41 DocScrutinizer51: dns server in maemo? Dec 19 06:49:50 DocScrutinizer51: you have a local dns server? Dec 19 06:50:04 there's no resolv.conf Dec 19 06:50:20 hmm i guess it makes sense... you can proxy dns lookups and have special responses if ua re offline (no data conn) Dec 19 06:50:27 eg redirect to local mirrors Dec 19 06:50:30 no but I dunno what I got by DHCP Dec 19 06:50:35 makes sense to me now i think about it Dec 19 06:51:22 well they could have a patched up glibc Dec 19 06:51:28 that is using something else Dec 19 06:51:32 resolvconf Dec 19 06:51:35 not sure Dec 19 06:51:43 i dont have an n900 (yet) Dec 19 06:51:53 Rresolvconf Dec 19 06:51:57 exactly Dec 19 06:52:06 no idea bout that Dec 19 06:52:34 but have frequent issues freenode and nothing else resolves Dec 19 06:52:52 though I'm online Dec 19 06:53:03 freenode uses round-robin dns Dec 19 06:53:07 and redirects Dec 19 06:53:16 raster: donno isn't it the same on diable Dec 19 06:53:23 uc an try change xchat settings to use one of the specific freenode server dns's Dec 19 06:53:48 well nothing resolves Dec 19 06:54:00 dunno about that Dec 19 06:54:02 not even a ping ct.de Dec 19 06:54:06 as i said.. dont have me one Dec 19 06:54:23 you got a 800 though Dec 19 06:54:23 only other equipment i have is... plugged into lots of cables Dec 19 06:54:26 yeah Dec 19 06:54:29 ;-) Dec 19 06:54:34 but its sitting here gathering dust Dec 19 06:54:50 it has some abomination of a half-arse install of OE on it Dec 19 06:54:57 what's resolvconf/ ?? Dec 19 06:55:00 that boots to a text console with no wifi etc. working Dec 19 06:56:42 resolvconf is meant for dynamic dns config changing Dec 19 06:56:44 read the scripts in there Dec 19 06:56:46 as best i last saw Dec 19 06:56:53 (when iw as fiddling with connman for OM) Dec 19 06:56:58 connman required resolvconf Dec 19 06:57:03 looked for the files supposed to be created none Dec 19 06:57:21 its entirely intended to be used by network-managers to set up dns dynamically without having to go edit files Dec 19 06:57:25 and step on eachothers toes Dec 19 06:59:07 gnnnnnah Dec 19 06:59:44 so what would be the way to find about actual DNS used with that foo? Dec 19 07:00:07 like host or dig Dec 19 07:00:25 dunno Dec 19 07:00:32 or cat etc/resolv.conf Dec 19 07:00:33 ui suspect there is a dbus thing for it Dec 19 07:00:45 hmm. thanks Dec 19 07:01:34 ~curse resolvconf missing manpage Dec 19 07:01:35 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, resolvconf missing manpage ! Dec 19 07:01:35 or ewas that wpasupplicant Dec 19 07:01:42 google! Dec 19 07:23:46 Hi all. I'm seeing a segfault when running shr-settings. Does this mean that python is segfaulting? Dec 19 07:48:37 budfive: there were occassions with python segfaulting so it's possible yet still surprising. Dec 19 07:49:36 DocScrutinizer51: name resolution on modern systems is done with libnss, its configuration resides in /etc/nsswitch.conf Dec 19 07:50:07 PaulFertser: great. thanks Dec 19 07:50:34 DocScrutinizer51: in the hosts: line you'll see a list of "plugins" in the order of execution. Nowadays it's typically "files avahi_shit dns" Dec 19 07:50:37 PaulFertser: any idea if and where it logs? Dec 19 07:50:48 DocScrutinizer51: i do not think it does. Dec 19 07:53:25 I have up to 4 clients on this AP/router here. Just N900 has permanent DNS issues since 2 days. By incidence(?) I updated my laptop to suse11.2 W days ago. Avahi crap?? Dec 19 07:55:44 DocScrutinizer51: what's your "grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf"? Dec 19 07:55:55 mompl Dec 19 07:57:32 PaulFertser: hosts: files DNS Dec 19 07:59:26 DocScrutinizer51: looks reasonable. I would try to reproduce dns problems while looking at tcpdump output, sometimes it gives decent hints. I was wondering why the hell twinkle takes 30 sec to startup for an hour until i looked at tcpdump just to see it queries for SRV records and apparently my crap-adsl-router silently ignored those. Dec 19 08:00:23 PaulFertser: heh :-) Dec 19 08:05:49 PaulFertser: actually I seen twinkle freeze for 30min when wlan connection stalled. Also DNS resolve issue Dec 19 08:06:31 Michel deBoer told me he can't help resolver lib acting like that Dec 19 08:08:59 DocScrutinizer51: 30 min is too much anyway, super-nasty, something can be done about that i'm sure. Dec 19 08:12:20 I think I configured some server timeouts on that system so it would meet the dl-congested network of my neighbour. So if you have 6min timeout and multiple resolve calls that results in a damn long time until twinkle gives up I guess Dec 19 08:14:34 DocScrutinizer51: i see Dec 19 09:09:17 ARM FCSE is interesting though it feels so limited, too bad ARM didn't provide a way to solve the problem in a generic way :/ Dec 19 09:21:21 PaulFertser: huh? Dec 19 09:24:46 DocScrutinizer51: that's a special way to do context switching that allows to avoid costly RAM cache flush. But reasonable implementation leaves you with only 95 PIDs and 32MiB address space per process, that's hardware constraints. For more demanding apps one need to do the cache flush anyway. Dec 19 09:25:56 aaah yes Dec 19 09:26:39 95 seems a random number though. No more registers? Dec 19 09:32:42 who made this? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/06dda42d4f3fe0be701bda042b574830.png Dec 19 09:35:01 Heinervdm: pespin? Dec 19 09:35:50 DocScrutinizer51: yes, there's a special register to aid per-pid translation of virtual cache handles and it's quite limited. Dec 19 10:37:17 ~logs Dec 19 10:37:19 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Dec 19 11:15:03 moin Dec 19 11:16:04 haha, i set up a box for a freidn few days ago. today he complans that he cannot play cds (autoplay xfce) the i treied it om my box and realized that i hav not seen an adio cd for ages Dec 19 13:05:27 mmh, the new dimming happens really fast. Is that some Idler timeout? Dec 19 13:09:06 ahh, "Idle" timeout Dec 19 13:30:13 TAsn: ping Dec 19 13:30:35 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/ae41dcb21062aae8a655376f4ffc327c.png Dec 19 13:31:32 dos1, how fast is it? Dec 19 13:31:45 JesusMcCloud: just like niebiee Dec 19 13:31:50 coolio Dec 19 13:32:05 dos1: ladnie ;) - dorzuc swiateczny akcent Dec 19 13:32:07 JesusMcCloud: now it's only niebiee with different wallpaper and different background for shelf Dec 19 13:32:18 everything not visible on this screen is still blue :D Dec 19 13:32:25 i fugired# Dec 19 13:32:53 mmh, upgrade to current version with integrated shr-today is not funny Dec 19 13:32:59 screen locks up and stuff Dec 19 13:33:07 spaetz: remove shr-today :P Dec 19 13:33:51 I have read those mails. I am trying to create a path that works with opkg upgrade Dec 19 13:34:00 :) Dec 19 13:34:11 zipo: logo SHR z czapeczkÄ… MikoÅ‚aja? :P Dec 19 13:34:18 So I am still waiting for the upgrade to finish to see if shr-today is automatically removed Dec 19 13:34:41 it suspended twice during the upgrade process (using fsoraw) Dec 19 13:34:50 dos1: jak najbardziej ;) Dec 19 13:35:22 spaetz: remove a package via update? Dec 19 13:36:10 DocScrutinizer51: opkg has like debian a "a replaces b" feature Dec 19 13:36:29 and shr-today is being replaced by phoneuid (as the stuff is now integrated) Dec 19 13:36:45 and theoretically it should remove the package via the upgrade Dec 19 13:37:30 hmm if phoneuid is actually a replacement for today then yes Dec 19 13:37:45 dos1, too awesome!!! :P Dec 19 13:37:53 we don't deserve it :P Dec 19 13:38:23 dos1: does shr-today also cause hard lockups? Dec 19 13:38:31 as in, the ssh connection stops working Dec 19 13:38:35 (via USB) Dec 19 13:38:46 I thought of a hack: a new version of today, empty and with a postinstall to remove shr-today from installed packages Dec 19 13:38:56 orange led still on, but nothing happens otherwise?) Dec 19 13:39:24 dos1, one suggestion though, try to make the background + shelf more streamlined. In my pov there's a too much distinction atm, but other than that, AWESOME! :P Dec 19 13:39:27 damn, this can't be pushed onto users as shr-testing upgrade Dec 19 13:39:32 btw, when you make the elm theme, don't make it too green :P Dec 19 13:39:53 spaetz, hard locks: never heard of those, not related to shr-today Dec 19 13:40:08 dos1, when will you build a package for this theme? :P Dec 19 13:40:30 weird. pressing 8 seconds power button kills power, so the kernel is still working. But no ssh, no screen activity... Dec 19 13:41:40 btw, why we still have running avahi? Dec 19 13:42:41 TAsn: Dec 19 13:42:43 [14:32] JesusMcCloud: now it's only niebiee with different wallpaper and different background for shelf Dec 19 13:42:45 [14:32] everything not visible on this screen is still blue :D Dec 19 13:43:44 zipo: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/santashr.png ;) Dec 19 13:45:56 dos1: super :) Dec 19 13:48:11 dos1: make package christmas-wallpaper.ipk Dec 19 13:52:23 dos1, i am nut sure if the swirl in topshelf is such agood idea since different gadget sizes are possible (also if you are out in the sunlight (or even on cloudy days) u wont see it... Dec 19 13:54:01 TAsn: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/illume-shrlogo.edj Dec 19 13:54:24 JesusMcCloud: switl can be done as second layer, so it won't be resized with shelf Dec 19 13:54:40 just will be placed at bottom Dec 19 13:54:41 max_posedon: we haven't. It is no longer installed on new installations Dec 19 13:54:58 max_posedon: but it won't be uninstalled if you have it installed already.... Dec 19 13:55:31 ah, ok, thanks Dec 19 13:55:57 it should be possible to get rid of it (I think) by some opkg RREPLACES magic Dec 19 13:56:18 but it seems nobody really knows or cares how that works. Dec 19 13:57:22 TAsn: cached phonelog rocks ;) Dec 19 13:57:24 btw, did we have some very light bind replacement? Dec 19 13:59:37 mrmoku, is the reason knows why messages takes so long to match contact names? Dec 19 14:00:31 (using sim backend here) Dec 19 14:00:35 JesusMcCloud: somehow we could make that a bit faster... but instead we're waiting for opimd to enhance :) Dec 19 14:01:14 JesusMcCloud: right now we do a query for the name for every number... those queries get processed though _after_ the list of messages is completely filled Dec 19 14:01:32 ahh ok that explains it Dec 19 14:01:37 in future... I hope that opimd will give me the name for the contact immediately :P Dec 19 14:02:06 (or at least alternate fetching smgs and contact names when opimd is faster) Dec 19 14:02:16 s/smgs/msgs/ Dec 19 14:02:18 JesusMcCloud meant: (or at least alternate fetching msgs and contact names when opimd is faster) Dec 19 14:02:44 as dos1 and TAsn are two very brave coders I hope opimd will just do the resolving ;) Dec 19 14:03:38 anyway... just wanted to say that the new phonelog will rock :) Dec 19 14:03:48 * mrmoku has to do some work in the kitchen (which is not cooking :P) Dec 19 14:04:00 ok, I found, mrmoku can you easy include dnsmasq in feeds? Dec 19 14:04:24 or smbd other who can add packages to feeds) Dec 19 14:13:43 ohhhh, fuck Dec 19 14:14:05 opkg stores all downloaded .ipk files in /tmp until it is over Dec 19 14:14:28 so big upgrades without swap will always fail as /tmp is tmpfs on our device Dec 19 14:14:52 TAsn: you said /tmp in tmpfs is fine. What with that? Dec 19 14:15:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2242cc84bd20 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/transport.vala: libfsotransport: fix TransportSpec.create() Dec 19 14:15:46 spaetz, better have swap, then non-tmpfs tmp Dec 19 14:15:56 with swappines=0 of course Dec 19 14:17:01 if /tmp isn't tmpfs, you can face similar problem when shr installed on nand during upgrades Dec 19 14:17:06 just NOESPC Dec 19 14:19:21 mrmoku|away, already implemented it?! you are CRAZY :P Dec 19 14:19:34 spaetz, ? Dec 19 14:19:37 off course it would be better to have swap. But my trac ticket for that hasn't been implemented yet :-) Dec 19 14:20:01 TAsn: big upgrades fail. opkg stores ALL downloaded .ipkg files in /tmp during opkg upgrade Dec 19 14:20:16 what a lame ass idea :| Dec 19 14:20:19 so a big shr-testing push (or shr-unstable for that matter) will always run out of ram Dec 19 14:20:26 (storing until everything is over) Dec 19 14:20:29 I would like say, that big upgrades faile because it takes upto 12h Dec 19 14:20:47 max_posedon: that might because yours swaps like crazy Dec 19 14:20:57 but here it just freezes or hangs Dec 19 14:21:08 without swap Dec 19 14:21:18 I don't think so, I don't belive in random access to that files during opkg upgrade Dec 19 14:21:23 spaetz, so I guess we have to use swap (at least to some extent) but at least, please make sure swapiness will be set to minus infinity (or plus infinity) I can't remember which means don't swap unless you really really have to. Dec 19 14:21:35 dos1, Ainulindale: What about using dos1's theme for the trac? :P Dec 19 14:21:44 so, swap is used, yes, but just like if that files will be stored to disk Dec 19 14:21:45 s/the // Dec 19 14:22:09 TAsn meant: dos1, Ainulindale: What about using dos1's theme for trac? :P Dec 19 14:32:57 ciao von_fritz Dec 19 14:34:30 Hi pbaxter Dec 19 14:36:39 how are youa? Dec 19 14:38:17 fine thanks, a little bit cold here but fine :) Dec 19 14:40:02 hm. how to force neo to not fall asleep while booting? Dec 19 15:03:40 TAsn: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Dec 19 15:04:12 i think selected icon on desktop is too green ;x Dec 19 15:04:27 but shelf looks good Dec 19 15:11:56 TAsn: made buttons little darker :P Dec 19 15:17:32 pespin: this is yours? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/06dda42d4f3fe0be701bda042b574830.png Dec 19 15:18:45 dos1, you might also want to use the shr logo font?! Dec 19 15:18:58 JesusMcCloud: hmm, good idea Dec 19 15:19:29 shoudl be a simpel CTRL+H wihtin the edc Dec 19 15:21:50 Heinervdm, yep :) Dec 19 15:22:20 pespin: what can it do? Dec 19 15:23:19 shr-today shows me that I mised 2 calls, how can i hide this message? Dec 19 15:25:26 Heinervdm, I'm just starting to code it. atm it can discover other devices and change discoverable and pairable status of local device Dec 19 15:26:36 pespin: ah, i'm thinking about integrating obexd into shr Dec 19 15:27:00 Heinervdm, still haven't started with obex part, jut bluez Dec 19 15:27:03 so that you can actually do sth with bluetooth Dec 19 15:27:47 I have everything prepaired to start with it, but first I want to get rid of a pair of bugs Dec 19 15:28:07 nice :) Dec 19 15:28:37 Heinervdm, can you help me a moment, I'm having nasty widget movements on config screen Dec 19 15:28:41 lets see if i can get obexd working with FSO, then we will have nice bluetooth support Dec 19 15:28:57 I'm just learning elementary, dbus, and bluez stuff Dec 19 15:29:12 python or C? Dec 19 15:29:32 Heinervdm, C Dec 19 15:29:34 http://espeweb.no-ip.com/misc/tmp/emtooth-gui-wrong.png Dec 19 15:29:44 you can see the movement here Dec 19 15:29:52 first one i ok, right one is wrong Dec 19 15:30:56 hmm, is your code online? Dec 19 15:31:20 Heinervdm, I put this part into pastebin, I'll pass you the url :) Dec 19 15:31:28 the code its in googlecode (emtooth) Dec 19 15:31:29 ok Dec 19 15:31:48 http://pastebin.ca/1715148 Dec 19 15:31:55 Heinervdm, don't laugh at it please! :P Dec 19 15:32:09 Heinervdm, ops, wrong one Dec 19 15:32:17 :) Dec 19 15:32:25 your using obex-data-server ? Dec 19 15:32:32 Heinervdm, planning to use it Dec 19 15:32:36 this one: http://pastebin.ca/1719862 Dec 19 15:32:51 pespin: then that will conflict with me :D Dec 19 15:33:02 hi guys Dec 19 15:33:08 it's already in shr feeds, mrmoku built it Dec 19 15:33:09 obexd and obex-data-server conflics Dec 19 15:33:12 is pulseaudio used in shr? Dec 19 15:33:19 pespin: i know, i made the recipe Dec 19 15:33:23 I know Dec 19 15:33:39 just using obex-data-server as it was the first I managed to run hehe Dec 19 15:33:48 does someone know if pulseaudio is used in shr? Dec 19 15:33:59 no idea about them. I suppouse you recommend obexd instead of obex-data-server? Dec 19 15:34:05 but i think obexd is more suitable for a phone Dec 19 15:34:24 Heinervdm, may have a look at it then, no problem Dec 19 15:34:35 I suppouse the API wil be similar ? Dec 19 15:35:36 Heinervdm, if something can be done better in the code I passed you, just tell me :) Dec 19 15:36:08 pespin: i'm just reading it, but i'm not that good in C ;) Dec 19 15:36:12 is "make image" supposed to work in current shr-testing ? Dec 19 15:36:27 pespin: i can read it, but don't know if i can do anything better Dec 19 15:36:39 here it fails to build openmoko-icon-theme-standard2_svn.bb Dec 19 15:38:01 pespin: everything looks good in the code, no idea why the controlls aren't within the frame Dec 19 15:38:47 ok, I'll continue asking in #e channel Dec 19 15:39:27 pespin: is it the same on the FR? perhaps you have an oder version on your PC Dec 19 15:39:45 when I have this corrected and another bug with fso not starting bluetooth before I start using it, I'll start with obex stuff Dec 19 15:39:59 and the exception does not make it obvious to me what the problem is Dec 19 15:40:03 Heinervdm, same in neo yes Dec 19 15:40:27 strange Dec 19 15:40:31 when I open it the first time it looks ok, but when kb appears or I make it show a second time, it looks weird Dec 19 15:41:47 exception pasted at http://pastebin.com/m4be22461 Dec 19 15:43:10 mrmoku|away: i think that ^^ error is because we reverted the change in our openmoko2.bbclass Dec 19 15:50:33 Heinervdm, btw, is it mandatory to use an hbox to center a label inside a vbox, or is there another way¿ Dec 19 15:51:00 pespin: you can use align Dec 19 15:51:28 evas_object_size_hint_align_set(fr, 0.5, 0.5); Dec 19 15:51:44 ok, thanks :) Dec 19 15:52:16 that way it's centered horzontal and vertical Dec 19 15:53:49 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r5984c14a614b 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-shrlogo/ (131 files in 2 dirs): e-wm-theme-shrlogo: introduce new theme Dec 19 15:54:26 TAsn: how can i get number of missed calls in C? Dec 19 15:58:21 Heinervdm, last question :P which would be the best callback to save data inside an entry? Dec 19 15:58:40 just save all the entries when the user closes the config screen? Dec 19 15:58:57 creating a "save" button at entry's right? Dec 19 15:59:24 or just saving at entry_changed signal Dec 19 16:00:18 is this signal called every time I add or remove a character inside it? Dec 19 16:00:50 i think so Dec 19 16:01:52 ok, many thanks! Dec 19 16:02:32 i think there is also a signal that's called when an widget is destroyed Dec 19 16:02:42 but i don't know which Dec 19 16:05:25 Heinervdm, interesting I'll look at it Dec 19 16:05:59 but i think it's better to save it directly, so the data can be used directly Dec 19 16:08:43 ok :) Dec 19 16:20:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * reafefad0544a 10/fsodeviced/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Dec 19 16:20:06 freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kill rfkill.vapi (upstream now) and bump vala requirement Dec 19 16:20:06 freesmartphone.org: bump local version as well to reflect state of things Dec 19 16:53:11 Heinervdm, using libframeworkd-glib Dec 19 16:53:39 look in libphone-ui (utils.c) we got Dec 19 16:53:52 an example in contacts Dec 19 16:53:59 which is practically done the same. Dec 19 16:55:01 dos1, last page is quite nice, mabye a little more brownish would be better, it's a bit too light green, but it's nice :P Dec 19 16:56:07 TAsn: unless you have you display properly calibrated with special hardware i'd suggest you to refrain from comments on colors ;) Dec 19 16:56:34 PaulFertser, why? Dec 19 16:56:47 i agree Dec 19 16:56:50 I don't think I quite get you :P Dec 19 16:56:55 dos1, agree with who? Dec 19 16:57:01 with PaulFertser Dec 19 16:57:10 are you for real? Dec 19 16:57:12 TAsn: it seems everyone around doesn't care about colors and do not have monitor calibrated. That's why everybody percieves something different to the others :) Dec 19 16:57:12 it looks really different on my laptop and on my neo Dec 19 16:57:34 PaulFertser, of course I see stuff differently Dec 19 16:57:43 I'm just saying, I prefer brown over green Dec 19 16:57:57 but we don't have brown in SHR logo ;x Dec 19 16:57:58 ;) Dec 19 16:58:07 dos1, browinsh green. Dec 19 16:58:22 PaulFertser, and that can be noticed without a calibrated screen, it's like green vs blue :P Dec 19 16:58:40 TAsn: :))) Dec 19 16:58:55 PaulFertser: It's rather hard to calibrate the monitor without special HW Dec 19 16:59:03 Q-Master, not really Dec 19 16:59:18 you can just use a camera and a special calibration paper Dec 19 16:59:21 Q-Master: sure Dec 19 16:59:24 to get pretty good results :P Dec 19 16:59:32 TAsn: how do you calibrate the camera then? ;) Dec 19 16:59:45 PaulFertser, using that paper... Dec 19 16:59:53 like professional photographers do Dec 19 17:00:41 TAsn: professional photographers use special HW and a paper. 8) Dec 19 17:01:56 returning to theme - i think buttons are too blue... shelf looks ok for me, but flaunch is painfully green :x Dec 19 17:02:19 and with such buttons shr-settings main page will be also too green... Dec 19 17:03:16 Does anybody know how to forbid the NEO to suspend during boot? Dec 19 17:03:55 Q-Master: sounds like a distro issue? Dec 19 17:04:05 maybe i should make button grey, like in our style guide for monochrome logo? Dec 19 17:04:13 s/button/buttons/ Dec 19 17:04:13 dos1 meant: maybe i should make buttons grey, like in our style guide for monochrome logo? Dec 19 17:04:17 lindi-: sure. Dec 19 17:05:38 TAsn: oh, there is bug in our style guide Dec 19 17:05:55 TAsn: both grey colors are described as C=0 M=0 Y=0 K=40 Dec 19 17:06:23 Q-Master, I c :P Dec 19 17:07:01 That's because we don't work hard enough on it (style guide) :P Dec 19 17:07:57 TAsn: please, get it touch with alphalog to fix that... Dec 19 17:08:15 dos1, but yeah, everything should be grey/black/brown, having a lite green theme is bad (like niebiee :P ) Dec 19 17:09:37 but shelf green! Dec 19 17:09:38 :P Dec 19 17:10:07 dos1, that's tolerateable (no such word) Dec 19 17:10:19 but a whole theme is bad. Dec 19 17:16:46 TAsn: i want to do it sync, i have http://shr.pastebin.com/d7f7e99de now. Does that work? Dec 19 17:16:58 sync: no way :( Dec 19 17:17:04 (without creating locks yourself) Dec 19 17:17:38 Heinervdm, that's from the generated file? Dec 19 17:17:45 never worked with it, only with libframeworkd-glib Dec 19 17:17:59 anyhow, you have to implement sync yourself if you want Dec 19 17:18:32 because I don't think there is one. Dec 19 17:18:38 TAsn: for async i have to integrate a call and wait thingi Dec 19 17:18:39 you can of course use regular glib dbus yourself... Dec 19 17:18:45 Heinervdm, yes. Dec 19 17:18:59 never done that in c Dec 19 17:19:15 not too late to start :P Dec 19 17:19:20 what do you need sync for anyway? Dec 19 17:19:28 Heinervdm: have you solved the problem with window? Dec 19 17:19:46 Q-Master: no Dec 19 17:19:49 8( Dec 19 17:20:04 TAsn: i thought it would be easier then call and wait Dec 19 17:20:29 easier if the base code exists, but it doesn't :P Dec 19 17:21:03 TAsn: it exists but it isn't exported Dec 19 17:21:44 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=libframeworkd-glib.git;a=blob;f=src/opimd/dbus/calls.h;h=86282a63f811202357e4a7f3fe01bf17c29e8bc7;hb=HEAD#l142 Dec 19 17:21:55 from what I remember it's not created, but mrmoku|away is the man to talk about when it comes to "low level" libframeworkd-glib Dec 19 17:22:03 Heinervdm, that's not libframeworkd-glib (what you are using) Dec 19 17:22:07 taht's just generated crap. Dec 19 17:22:18 ok Dec 19 17:22:23 use libframeworkd-glib (which is async only) Dec 19 17:38:21 noone experienced build problem on current shr-testing ? Seems OK with the snapshot that built the latest testing images at least Dec 19 17:49:25 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07shr-themes * r81e5578b038a 10/e-wm/e-wm-theme-illume-shrlogo/ (6 files in 2 dirs): e-wm-theme-illume-shrlogo: make buttons grey Dec 19 17:51:06 :P Dec 19 17:51:11 build me a package. Dec 19 18:01:17 =) Dec 19 18:01:39 sudo build me a package. Dec 19 18:01:52 ok Dec 19 18:01:59 ;D Dec 19 18:02:53 building Dec 19 18:05:23 telephony.c:(.text+0x14): undefined reference to `opimd_calls_get_new_missed_calls' Dec 19 18:05:28 :( Dec 19 18:06:57 you need libframeworkd-glib Dec 19 18:07:07 #include Dec 19 18:07:20 but Dec 19 18:07:22 how do you compile? Dec 19 18:07:35 PKG_CHECK_MODULES(FRAMEWORKD_GLIB, libframeworkd-glib) Dec 19 18:07:39 in configure.ac Dec 19 18:07:48 and you remembered Dec 19 18:07:54 to regen? Dec 19 18:08:12 it has checked for it Dec 19 18:08:17 oh right. Dec 19 18:08:44 so it means you jsut have an not up do date lfg Dec 19 18:09:10 updated today... Dec 19 18:09:18 is it even implemented? Dec 19 18:09:38 DocScrutinizer51: ping Dec 19 18:09:47 yo Dec 19 18:09:47 it's used in phoneui-idle too Dec 19 18:10:06 ok, so I have no idea what could be wrong :P Dec 19 18:10:11 except for a typo Dec 19 18:10:24 DocScrutinizer51: You mentioned something about spare parts somewhere at some time? :-) Dec 19 18:10:29 compile with -Wall -Wextra and show the compilation output :P Dec 19 18:10:33 yep Dec 19 18:10:36 Just saw it in the backlog scroll by Dec 19 18:10:49 What wher when and why? Dec 19 18:10:52 where Dec 19 18:11:29 err. #openmoko. some czech guy asked for 1024 parts Dec 19 18:11:53 but he canceled his request anyway Dec 19 18:12:02 okay Dec 19 18:12:10 Less work for me :-) Dec 19 18:12:19 :-) Dec 19 18:13:29 alphaone: nevertheless. would you be able to provide those 10uF anyway? Dec 19 18:13:51 or 22 Dec 19 18:13:56 DocScrutinizer51: Whaddaya need 10µF for? Dec 19 18:13:59 yeah, 22 Dec 19 18:14:15 k. good to know Dec 19 18:14:22 Although my stock is running short. I'll need to reorder at farnell soon Dec 19 18:15:49 btw http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=nuernberg&CELSIUS=yes Dec 19 18:16:06 :-S Dec 19 18:17:05 Not much better here: -15°C Dec 19 18:17:19 shit Dec 19 18:17:27 and no more coffee Dec 19 18:17:49 dos1, Ainulindale: trac theme? :P Dec 19 18:17:54 seems I really need to leave home Dec 19 18:18:25 DocScrutinizer51: You need to turn the radiator on Dec 19 18:18:50 Or just start using Gentoo and upgrade your boxen :-) Dec 19 18:18:50 -12°C here :P Dec 19 18:18:52 TAsn: waiting for Ainulindale :P Dec 19 18:22:00 dos1, he was here earlier... Dec 19 18:22:06 dos1, at least send him everything by email Dec 19 18:22:11 so he'll just add it. Dec 19 18:42:38 i have obexd with partial fso support :) Dec 19 18:54:08 dos1, why don't you use the shr logo instead of the wrench? :P Dec 19 18:54:18 because it sucks :P Dec 19 18:54:53 * TAsn hates that lame dos1 :P Dec 19 18:54:56 well, what about my package? Dec 19 18:54:57 built? Dec 19 18:55:16 should be built... Dec 19 18:55:22 but index is not ;P Dec 19 18:55:43 building Dec 19 18:55:46 :P Dec 19 19:04:10 TAsn: opkg update && opkg install e-wm-theme-illume-shrlogo Dec 19 19:04:25 :P Dec 19 19:05:49 mrmoku|away, btw, calls screens go above idle-screen :( isn't there a way to make it always on top? Dec 19 19:07:30 dos1, shelf is a bit too light green in my pov Dec 19 19:07:33 should probably be darker Dec 19 19:07:37 but other than that :P Dec 19 19:07:39 awesome. Dec 19 19:07:48 (except for the keyboard which is blue, yuck!) Dec 19 19:07:49 :P Dec 19 19:19:26 TAsn: syscon is also blue... simple lock is also blue (if used ;P) Dec 19 19:20:00 btw, I like the gray buttons :P Dec 19 19:44:45 TAsn: calls above idle? hmm... not for me Dec 19 19:45:23 :| Dec 19 19:46:10 oh right Dec 19 19:46:14 it juts closes idle screen Dec 19 19:46:15 :| Dec 19 19:46:22 :( Dec 19 19:47:10 heh, that might be new behaviour which needs configuring Dec 19 19:47:22 and I did not have a phone call for some time now :P Dec 19 19:47:26 that's a bad idea no matter what configuration you like. Dec 19 19:47:40 we should not close idle screen Dec 19 19:47:47 only not open it when theer's an incoming call. Dec 19 19:48:34 in any way... it was not intentional :P Dec 19 19:49:15 :P Dec 19 19:49:19 TAsn: btw. phonelog is far from being finished Dec 19 19:49:24 i c. Dec 19 19:49:33 what's there? Dec 19 19:49:39 but one thing I clearly see is that what takes time is the name resolving Dec 19 19:49:49 yes. Dec 19 19:49:51 like in messages. Dec 19 19:49:56 dos1, TAsn: could you please, please do that in opimd? :P Dec 19 19:50:12 that's a feature in opimd_redesign Dec 19 19:50:20 it's too much for me atm :( Dec 19 19:50:25 ic Dec 19 19:50:26 I haven't found the time to study opimd yet. Dec 19 19:50:34 I only started reading scode. Dec 19 19:50:45 a pity though... as I think it might not be that hard :P Dec 19 19:51:05 it's not. Dec 19 19:51:14 on the other hand... it won't even matter that much Dec 19 19:51:18 but Dec 19 19:51:18 when we cache everything :) Dec 19 19:51:25 yeah. Dec 19 19:51:32 the biggest problem with this idea though Dec 19 19:51:46 is that it requires defining the calculated fields I suggested Dec 19 19:51:46 second start of phonelog is about 0.5s :) Dec 19 19:51:56 mrmoku, so what's missing? Dec 19 19:52:00 grouping Dec 19 19:52:02 updating Dec 19 19:52:08 nothing important :P Dec 19 19:52:11 mrmoku, when you update Dec 19 19:52:18 remember to trim the list if necessary Dec 19 19:52:22 and I need slyon to understand how to set the date/duration things Dec 19 19:52:52 memo him :P Dec 19 19:53:25 will do when I finished grouping before he appears :P Dec 19 19:55:26 TAsn: ahh, and the hover thing is missing... maybe we could use dos1's slider technique for that Dec 19 19:55:44 slider is for whole screen Dec 19 19:55:50 that's also possible if we want that. Dec 19 19:56:05 will maybe remove redundancy which is a good idea. Dec 19 19:56:13 that's possible if you want. Dec 19 19:56:37 will play with that... as somehow I dislike howvers Dec 19 19:58:00 ok :P Dec 19 19:58:10 slider is nice Dec 19 20:00:17 mrmoku, hi! did you saw my dnsmasq request? Dec 19 20:01:35 mrmoku, Heinervdm: how do you propose to introduce a swap file? Dec 19 20:01:40 max_posedon: yeah, saw it in the backlog... let me check Dec 19 20:01:45 shr-swap pkg? Dec 19 20:01:59 spaetzN800: no idea on that one Dec 19 20:02:03 that c?reates one Dec 19 20:02:43 spaetzN800: i needs to be mounted and all such things, so i think a package that contains an init script Dec 19 20:02:55 that creates the swap file Dec 19 20:02:56 mrmoku, seen in backlog? opkg upgrade stores all downloaded ipkg in /tmp (tmpfs) until finished Dec 19 20:03:03 swap file is dangeros for shr on nand Dec 19 20:03:15 spaetzN800: and additionally a config file for the path Dec 19 20:03:38 max_posedon, not if you create it in /media/carrd/swap :-) Dec 19 20:03:56 max_posedon, otherwise upgrrades break.... Dec 19 20:03:57 max_posedon: dnsmasq is building Dec 19 20:04:12 and plz, set swappines to 0 by default Dec 19 20:04:23 max_posedon, sure thing Dec 19 20:04:28 if you deside create some swap package Dec 19 20:05:05 and one more thing, /tmp mounted with 64Mb limit Dec 19 20:05:16 you might be want increase this value Dec 19 20:05:44 Heinervdm, we need to fix the sections for openmoko-iccon-them-standard2 Dec 19 20:05:58 yes Dec 19 20:06:00 you know, I think better solution for opkg will be not swap, but setup separate dir on disk Dec 19 20:06:01 max_posedon: go and get it :) Dec 19 20:06:08 mrmoku, thanks) Dec 19 20:06:17 spaetzN800: i think it's because of the change in openmoko2.bbclass Dec 19 20:06:18 better fix the recipes than hack the bbclass Dec 19 20:06:46 yep. i made shr/merge the same as oe.dev Dec 19 20:06:51 i don't know whats wrong there Dec 19 20:06:59 i know it Dec 19 20:07:12 then do it :) Dec 19 20:07:29 bbclass expects section=a/b but i bet it only has b Dec 19 20:07:55 Heinervdm, will do, can you file a trac ticket as reminder please? Dec 19 20:07:55 hmm Dec 19 20:08:11 i´m wwithout keyboard atm Dec 19 20:08:20 ok Dec 19 20:08:24 and without git :-) Dec 19 20:08:31 cool, thanks Dec 19 20:08:52 i ´ll fix it tomorrow Dec 19 20:09:02 if we do use a swap Dec 19 20:09:16 we should at least set swappiness to 0-1 Dec 19 20:09:26 so it'll not swap unless there's no other option. Dec 19 20:09:40 in my pov. Dec 19 20:09:48 TAsn, of course Dec 19 20:09:55 sure Dec 19 20:09:58 because the apps we generally use are the apps that'll get swapped out Dec 19 20:10:21 (because they are only triggered when necessary, let's say, a phone call. Dec 19 20:10:42 no need to use slow sd card more than necessary Dec 19 20:11:02 TAsn, in this case, I want you in phone*d (in C or via scripts) use mlock Dec 19 20:11:32 this apps shoudn't swap at all Dec 19 20:11:48 i would love compcache though Dec 19 20:12:01 max_posedon,our almost only issue is opkg Dec 19 20:12:01 spaetzN800: SECTION = "openmoko/base" Dec 19 20:12:12 and I don't mind swapping them out while doing an upgrade. Dec 19 20:12:16 compressed swap in ram, like doubling yourr ram... Dec 19 20:12:25 spaetzN800: that's in the .bb Dec 19 20:12:30 Heinervdm, mmmh. i´ll have a look Dec 19 20:12:34 weird Dec 19 20:12:50 would have bet thhat´s the issue Dec 19 20:12:59 there is no LICENSE but adding that changes nothing Dec 19 20:13:01 TAsn, as for now - yes. Dec 19 20:13:14 max_posedon, you maybe got a point. Dec 19 20:13:17 I guess we should do that. Dec 19 20:13:31 anyhow, gtg, going to a friends concert. Dec 19 20:13:32 ciao. Dec 19 20:13:46 ~log Dec 19 20:14:02 ciao Dec 19 20:14:04 hmm... log is http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/ for #openmoko-cdevel only. Maybe you meant "~logs" ? Dec 19 20:16:33 mrmoku, btw, opkg upgrde did not remove shr-today here, although i had a new bb recipe of phoneuid Dec 19 20:17:17 spaetzN800: hmm... that is a strange thing... and I agree that we should make it conflict too Dec 19 20:17:36 yep, would be good. Dec 19 20:18:27 Heinervdm, thanks for filing the reminder. i´ll take care Dec 19 20:22:23 spaetzN800: done Dec 19 20:22:33 (in org.oe.dev for now... so it won't get lost) Dec 19 20:22:38 ahh cool :-) Dec 19 20:22:50 thhat´s enough, yep Dec 19 20:23:03 will make its way eventually Dec 19 22:41:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1784652710cf 10/libfsobasics/ (7 files in 4 dirs): libfsobasics: add some experimental threading stuff Dec 19 23:47:03 mrmoku|away, please rebuild eve and libewebkit when you can :P thanks. (doesn't work atm because of lib versions) Dec 20 01:35:25 just upgraded shr-u and find that dim before suspend isnt very useful to me - how do I permanently disable it? Dec 20 01:35:48 the settings in frameworkd.conf are not permanent, or seem to work logicly. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 20 02:59:56 2009