**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 21 02:59:56 2010
Jan 21 05:06:29 <JaMa|Off> BillK: no.. just shr-u
Jan 21 07:01:41 <blindcoder> moin
Jan 21 07:29:36 <mrmoku> ahhh... finally getting new windows today :)
Jan 21 07:29:45 <mrmoku> nothing like 7 or vista or other hacks though ;)
Jan 21 07:29:59 <mrmoku> nice triple glass to save some energy :D
Jan 21 07:33:09 <Wonka> take care to keep the walls dry though
Jan 21 07:51:40 <JaMa|Off> mrmoku: only windows considered usefull and what a coincidence.. not built by Microsoft? :)
Jan 21 08:14:30 <mrmoku> JaMa|Off: how true :)
Jan 21 08:15:00 <mrmoku> Wonka: yeah... will do... and hopefully later this year wall isolation will be next
Jan 21 08:31:53 <mrmoku> dos1: hey morning :)
Jan 21 08:31:56 <mrmoku> spaetz: morning too
Jan 21 08:32:06 <mrmoku> dos1: got TAsn's memo? :P
Jan 21 08:32:11 <dos1> morning :)
Jan 21 08:32:13 <dos1> hmm
Jan 21 08:32:18 <dos1> no
Jan 21 08:32:25 <spaetz> morning
Jan 21 08:32:39 <mrmoku> the postinst script for opimd... did you put it somewhere?
Jan 21 08:32:43 <dos1> [09:32] [Uwaga] -MemoServ- You have 30 memos (0 new).
Jan 21 08:33:03 <dos1> and newest [09:32] [Uwaga] -MemoServ- - 30 From: TAsn Sent: Dec 15 19:35:25 2009 ;p
Jan 21 08:33:25 <dos1> mrmoku: hmm, yup, one moment and i'll give you url
Jan 21 08:33:31 <mrmoku> hmm... anyway it contained just the question where to find it :)
Jan 21 08:36:13 <mickey|office> morning
Jan 21 08:36:17 <daniele_athome> morning
Jan 21 08:37:05 <JaMa|Off> moin all
Jan 21 09:11:59 <beniwtv> mrmoku: ping :)
Jan 21 09:14:38 <mrmoku> beniwtv: pong
Jan 21 09:15:10 <beniwtv> mrmoku: The libsyncml packages segfault on latest SHR-U. I have a strace of it. Should I open a bug?
Jan 21 09:17:16 <beniwtv> probably they need a rebuild...
Jan 21 09:33:28 <playya_> moin
Jan 21 09:34:54 <beniwtv> hey playya_
Jan 21 09:38:59 <daniele_athome> http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/278#comment:5
Jan 21 09:39:01 <daniele_athome> :)
Jan 21 09:39:33 <daniele_athome> I would really like to play with my pygame card game on FR
Jan 21 09:39:34 <daniele_athome> :D
Jan 21 09:41:58 <Heinervdm> daniele_athome: there is just one libsdl package, but that changed it's name...
Jan 21 09:42:28 <Heinervdm> one needs to rebuild mokomaze
Jan 21 09:43:10 <daniele_athome> oh...
Jan 21 09:44:01 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: can you bump PR of mokomaze because of libsdl-ttf update?
Jan 21 09:45:20 <JaMa|Off> I'll as I'm already building something on buildhost..
Jan 21 09:45:55 <Heinervdm> JaMa|Off: ok
Jan 21 09:46:36 <Heinervdm> JaMa|Off: but you should do your work at your job ;)
Jan 21 09:46:46 <daniele_athome> anyway: hi Heinervdm  :) (I didn't greet you earlier)
Jan 21 09:47:33 <Heinervdm> daniele_athome: i never greet anyone in here ;) Greeting 100 people every day needs to much time ;)
Jan 21 09:48:21 <Heinervdm> but hi daniele_athome :)
Jan 21 09:48:37 <daniele_athome> lol of course Heinervdm, but just the ones you begin to talk with :)
Jan 21 09:49:22 <Heinervdm> Ok, one can do that :)
Jan 21 09:53:49 <JaMa|Off> Heinervdm: exactly :) but I run built.. and it failed after my pixman updates.. :/
Jan 21 09:54:58 <playya_> anyone knows a page with a html5 embedded video?
Jan 21 09:55:27 <Heinervdm> playya_: youtube
Jan 21 09:55:57 <daniele_athome> firefox 3.5 release notes page :D
Jan 21 09:56:00 <daniele_athome> Heinervdm, youtube?
Jan 21 09:56:08 <playya_> ok. then i compiled webkit-efl without video support
Jan 21 09:56:22 <Heinervdm> playya_, daniele_athome: http://gizmodo.com/5453436/googles-html5-youtube-videos-dont-need-flash
Jan 21 09:57:32 <playya_> anyone knows how to fix these errors?:
Jan 21 09:57:34 <playya_> Error #2 while loading the group 'scrollbar.horizontal'.
Jan 21 09:57:35 <playya_> Error #2 while loading the group 'scrollbar.vertical'.
Jan 21 09:57:35 <playya_> Error Number: 2 while loading the group 'webkit/widget/checkbox'.
Jan 21 09:58:09 <Heinervdm> playya_: i don't know if webkit-efl already supports video
Jan 21 09:58:35 <Heinervdm> playya_: for youtube you have to enable the video tag support
Jan 21 09:58:50 <Heinervdm> and they provide the video in h264
Jan 21 09:59:46 <daniele_athome> Heinervdm, using firefox 3.5.7 I can't see html5 videos? :S
Jan 21 09:59:48 <daniele_athome> on windows...
Jan 21 10:00:28 <Heinervdm> daniele_athome: i'm using iceweasle 3.5.6 and can't see html5 video too
Jan 21 10:00:34 <daniele_athome> mmm...
Jan 21 10:00:37 <JaMa|Off> Heinervdm, daniele_athome: build is running in few hours it should be in feeds
Jan 21 10:00:48 <daniele_athome> JaMa|Off, ok thanks
Jan 21 10:01:59 <daniele_athome> doesn't support :(
Jan 21 10:02:12 <daniele_athome> maybe it's missing h264 video decoder...
Jan 21 10:03:36 <Heinervdm> I think firefox only supports ogg thedora
Jan 21 10:03:49 <Heinervdm> or how it is spelled
Jan 21 10:03:50 <beniwtv> playya_: Isn't that the segfault for eve/efl-browser?
Jan 21 10:06:24 <playya_> yes
Jan 21 10:06:29 <Heinervdm> Is shr-u now build from srcpv branch?
Jan 21 10:06:38 <playya_> it's not a segfault
Jan 21 10:06:45 <daniele_athome> ogg theora
Jan 21 10:06:48 <playya_> but i don't have a menubar
Jan 21 10:08:27 <playya_> beniwtv, but it's on my laptop not on shr
Jan 21 10:08:48 <Weiss> cool.. Golden Delicious are offering "GTA02 A7+" (A7+#1024 fix)
Jan 21 10:09:01 <Q-Master> JaMa|Off: don't you know what package is wrong because there's no libpthread_nonshared.a
Jan 21 10:09:04 <beniwtv> playya_: Oh! That's strange then though
Jan 21 10:09:05 <Q-Master> JaMa|Off: ?
Jan 21 10:09:16 <JaMa|Off> no
Jan 21 10:09:18 <blindcoder> do they offer 1024 fix for already sold phones? ie, send in, pay $$$, get fixed phone back?
Jan 21 10:09:25 <Heinervdm> Q-Master: it's eglibc
Jan 21 10:09:28 <JaMa|Off> Heinervdm: no shr/unstable
Jan 21 10:09:39 <daniele_athome> blindcoder, yes If I remember correctly
Jan 21 10:09:50 <JaMa|Off> Heinervdm: srcpv is squashed there as 1st commit
Jan 21 10:09:51 <daniele_athome> something like 50-60 $ per fix...
Jan 21 10:09:51 <Weiss> blindcoder: yep
Jan 21 10:10:01 <Q-Master> Heinervdm: it should be rebuilt then.
Jan 21 10:10:10 <Heinervdm> JaMa|Off: ok, i wonderd why there are no commits to shr/merge anymore :)
Jan 21 10:10:13 <daniele_athome> I want thaaaaatttt fix :D
Jan 21 10:10:23 <Weiss> blindcoder: here's the link: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=1024-Rework&referer=Neo%20Freerunner
Jan 21 10:10:25 <Heinervdm> Q-Master: the recipe has to be changed for taht
Jan 21 10:10:38 <blindcoder> oooh, nice
Jan 21 10:10:47 <Q-Master> Heinervdm: I am nub in .bb recipes
Jan 21 10:10:59 <blindcoder> although I'm not using the fr as phone anymore, I guess I'll have it fixed anyway :)
Jan 21 10:11:58 <Heinervdm> Q-Master: the *libc packages are a bit complicated too...
Jan 21 10:12:19 <daniele_athome> blindcoder, not as a phone? and what for? :D
Jan 21 10:12:30 <daniele_athome> blindcoder, really, what will you use FR for?
Jan 21 10:12:34 <Heinervdm> Q-Master: and i think changes in these packages have to be dicussed on oe-devel ML
Jan 21 10:12:35 <blindcoder> daniele_athome: serial terminal, game station, shopping list
Jan 21 10:13:02 <Q-Master> Heinervdm: oj
Jan 21 10:13:04 <Q-Master> k
Jan 21 10:13:04 <beniwtv> blindcoder: Trust me, with the buzz fix the FR works quite well as a phone ;) It's my only phone now as the other one broke :p
Jan 21 10:13:24 <blindcoder> daniele_athome: with screen(1) and a usb-serial adapter I use it to configure sun servers, and with fltknotes I use it for shopping lists :)
Jan 21 10:13:38 <blindcoder> beniwtv: I have a v7 version, so no buzzfix necessary
Jan 21 10:13:42 <JaMa|Off> Heinervdm: hehe, Makefile should switch you to shr/unstable too
Jan 21 10:14:01 <JaMa|Off> Heinervdm: and I've sent it to list [Status of shr/merge branch]
Jan 21 10:14:02 <Weiss> blindcoder: I'm getting an A7+ to use as my primary phone while my current A6 becomes a development phone, so I can break the kernel on it with impunity
Jan 21 10:14:15 <Heinervdm> JaMa|Off: i don't read every mail ;)
Jan 21 10:14:30 <JaMa|Off> Heinervdm: shame on you :P
Jan 21 10:14:37 <daniele_athome> blindcoder, do you think that FR is useless as phone?
Jan 21 10:14:41 <blindcoder> Weiss: hehe, nice. I haven't found any good sound settings for my phone, so mostly people couldn't understand a word I was saying while I could understand them quite well
Jan 21 10:14:44 <daniele_athome> I mean it is not good for you?
Jan 21 10:14:48 <daniele_athome> and if it's so, why?
Jan 21 10:14:59 <daniele_athome> oh...
Jan 21 10:15:01 <blindcoder> daniele_athome: see last sentence to Weiss 
Jan 21 10:15:05 <daniele_athome> I see
Jan 21 10:15:05 * beniwtv is getting mad at work with the Mac OS terminal app...
Jan 21 10:15:23 <Weiss> my A6 worked fine in the UK, but in DE I have big problems with buzz
Jan 21 10:15:34 <mrmoku> beniwtv: sorry... got some chaos around me right now :P
Jan 21 10:16:01 <blindcoder> daniele_athome: I like it for the gps and mobile linux system, but for making phone calls I reverted to my old sony
Jan 21 10:16:07 <playya_> so the buzz seems to be affiliated to the provider,too?
Jan 21 10:16:07 <beniwtv> mrmoku: No problem, I can wait till you have some spare minutes :P
Jan 21 10:16:09 <daniele_athome> blindcoder, for me it works well
Jan 21 10:16:17 <daniele_athome> it's true that it's not a greate sound quality
Jan 21 10:16:28 <Weiss> in the UK, it passed the "make a call in the middle of London Victoria train station" test
Jan 21 10:16:29 <daniele_athome> but people do understand me
Jan 21 10:16:40 <mrmoku> JaMa|Off: any idea on libsyncml segfaults? bump PR and rebuild?
Jan 21 10:16:54 <blindcoder> daniele_athome: seems to be depending a lot on provider and individual unit
Jan 21 10:17:21 <beniwtv> daniele_athome: I sometimes get bad quality (though I hear them in very great quality). Usally it's the mic I have too high.
Jan 21 10:17:48 <blindcoder> daniele_athome: maybe if BT headsets worked. I'm not up to date on this, but last time I checked only the speakers of BT headsets worked, not the microphone, but I may be completely wrong on that.
Jan 21 10:17:53 <JaMa|Off> mrmoku: haven't seen strace/backtrace or any commit in depending libs for rebuild need.. but haven't checked on my neo
Jan 21 10:18:17 <daniele_athome> blindcoder, actually I'm making some efforts trying to make FR a usable phone
Jan 21 10:18:34 <daniele_athome> beginning from the phone stack through sound usability (e.g. BT headset)
Jan 21 10:18:38 <beniwtv> blindcoder: Microphone definitively worked last time I tried... but there was some manual intervention needed (bluez d-bus stuff)
Jan 21 10:19:00 <daniele_athome> maybe when I will reach some good point, you might change your opinion about FR as phone, blindcoder ;)
Jan 21 10:19:20 <blindcoder> daniele_athome: just give me a highlight if there's something I should test :)
Jan 21 10:19:32 <daniele_athome> :)
Jan 21 10:21:03 <beniwtv> JaMa|Off: I have an strace here if you want to see it. But I'm no expert so I don't know if it's usefull :)
Jan 21 10:21:28 <JaMa|Off> beniwtv: sorry no time here..
Jan 21 10:21:56 <beniwtv> No probs
Jan 21 10:27:21 <DocScrutinizer> moinmoin
Jan 21 10:29:31 <Heinervdm> DocScrutinizer: moin
Jan 21 10:30:18 <Heinervdm> Q-Master: what's the reason you need libpthread_nonshared.a for? I need a proper explanation for this patch
Jan 21 10:31:08 <Q-Master> Heinervdm: Neo is a buildhost for me. So no one unable to build multithreaded apps while on Neo.
Jan 21 10:31:41 <mrmoku> beniwtv: then just open a bug with the strace attached please
Jan 21 10:32:55 <beniwtv> mrmoku: I'll do
Jan 21 10:47:38 <pespin> hey, do I need a "known" name in system dbus to be able to set methods?
Jan 21 10:47:44 <pespin> I get this error...
Jan 21 10:47:47 <pespin> $ mdbus -s :1.191 /org/emtooth/bluez/agent org.bluez.Agent.RequestPinCode
Jan 21 10:48:14 <pespin>  /org/emtooth/bluez/agent: RequestPinCode failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied (Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.195" (uid=1000 pid=23342 comm="python) interface="org.bluez.Agent" member="RequestPinCode" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination=":1.191" (uid=1000 pid=23274 comm="./emtooth)))
Jan 21 10:48:52 <mickey|office> sounds like a paranoid dbus configuration
Jan 21 10:49:01 <mickey|office> is that an OE-derived distro or debian?
Jan 21 10:49:12 <pespin> mickeyl, I'm on my pc :) (ubuntu here)
Jan 21 10:49:25 <mickey|office> that's the culprit
Jan 21 10:49:32 <mickey|office> stock distros are using paranoid dbus confs
Jan 21 10:49:41 <mickey|office> you can change it 
Jan 21 10:49:56 <pespin> It doesnt let me set a name in system dbus neither (it works on session bus)
Jan 21 10:50:28 <pespin> mickeyl, so I should change the config to be more "liberal" ?
Jan 21 10:50:34 <mickey|office> yes
Jan 21 10:50:39 <mickey|office> i'd try that
Jan 21 10:50:51 <pespin> mickeyl, any hint please? just starting with dbus stuff :)
Jan 21 10:51:25 <mickey|office> start with editing /etc/dbus-1/system.conf
Jan 21 10:51:38 <mickey|office> look for <!-- Hols must be punched
Jan 21 10:51:47 <mickey|office> change the next deny to allow
Jan 21 10:51:52 <mickey|office> next two, actually
Jan 21 10:54:35 <pespin>     <deny own="*"/>
Jan 21 10:54:35 <pespin>     <deny send_type="method_call"/>
Jan 21 10:54:38 <pespin> hehe
Jan 21 10:54:53 <pespin> is this set in allow by default in SHR?
Jan 21 10:55:51 <pespin> and... I'll be able to request another system bus name after this?
Jan 21 10:56:10 <mickey|office> changing the first one will allow you to own names
Jan 21 10:56:15 <mickey|office> although you should treat that with care
Jan 21 10:56:25 <mickey|office> usually you need a service conf that explicitly allows taht
Jan 21 10:56:43 <mickey|office> the second one will allow anyone to call all methods by default
Jan 21 10:57:14 <pespin> ok, thanks :)
Jan 21 10:57:53 <pespin> I suppouse I have to restart dbus to apply changes?
Jan 21 10:59:42 <mickey|office> dunno
Jan 21 10:59:47 <mickey|office> dbus has inotify support
Jan 21 10:59:57 <mickey|office> but i'm not sure whether this refers to its system.conf as well
Jan 21 11:00:08 <pespin> it seems I'll need to reboot
Jan 21 11:00:26 <pespin> afair resetting dbus means E resets to :P
Jan 21 11:00:26 <mickey|office> ya, these days desktop systems are badly coded
Jan 21 11:00:32 <mickey|office> they don't survive a dbus restart
Jan 21 11:00:42 <mickey|office> probably not E's fault
Jan 21 11:00:53 <mickey|office> but the apps
Jan 21 11:01:08 <pespin> yep
Jan 21 11:01:12 * pespin reboots
Jan 21 11:01:38 <raster> e doesnt handle dbus server going awya?
Jan 21 11:01:43 <raster> well it shoudlnt crash
Jan 21 11:01:50 <raster> it may not actively try and reconnect tho?
Jan 21 11:01:55 <raster> if it crashes... sned bt's
Jan 21 11:02:03 <raster> never actually tried a dbus reset
Jan 21 11:02:18 <raster> i've never needed it
Jan 21 11:03:47 <mickey|office> yeah, it's uncommon enough that noone prepares their servers and clients for it
Jan 21 11:04:01 <raster> indeed
Jan 21 11:04:16 <raster> technically yeah - should handle it
Jan 21 11:04:30 <raster> but at the same time... i should handle a kernel oops too! :P
Jan 21 11:04:32 <raster> :)
Jan 21 11:04:45 <raster> or survive an xserver crash and restart
Jan 21 11:04:46 <raster> :)
Jan 21 11:04:57 <raster> (u've got to call it quits somewhere :))
Jan 21 11:05:03 <raster> the question is.... where?
Jan 21 11:06:21 <pespin> works after rebooting
Jan 21 11:06:31 <beniwtv> Hey raster! How's illume work going? :P
Jan 21 11:07:07 <raster> beniwtv: dunno. i'm not doing it :) doing other fun things
Jan 21 11:07:13 <raster> like yet another gl compositor
Jan 21 11:07:17 <pespin> I'd like E to keep alive even without laptop power :D
Jan 21 11:07:46 <raster> luckily the whole compositor is all of maybe 1600 line sof code
Jan 21 11:08:24 <raster> and also works without gl too
Jan 21 11:08:35 <raster> for those with... less well supported gfx
Jan 21 11:08:50 <raster> technically it should also do gles-2 as well - the code is there at any rate
Jan 21 11:08:54 <raster> havent tesed it yet
Jan 21 11:09:01 <beniwtv> nice
Jan 21 11:17:13 <raster> burrps
Jan 21 11:52:06 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/experimental * rd59980920b3e 10cornucopia/fsousaged/src/plugins/dbus_service/ (plugin.vala resource.vala): fsousaged: first commands queueified
Jan 21 12:16:39 <CIA-47> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/experimental * r81d92fb84ede 10cornucopia/fsousaged/src/plugins/dbus_service/plugin.vala: fsousaged: queueify suspend
Jan 21 12:58:55 <JaMa|Off> Heinervdm: hey! I push those patches on patchwork automaticaly if I'm able to test it :)
Jan 21 12:59:49 <Heinervdm> JaMa|Off: yes with the oe patches it going much better
Jan 21 13:00:21 <Heinervdm> but patches for the shr apps last on patchwork for a very long time ;)
Jan 21 13:00:35 <JaMa|Off> yeah :/
Jan 21 13:01:51 <Heinervdm> and thats because nobody feals responsible :)
Jan 21 13:02:17 * mrmoku takes responsibility and hides :P
Jan 21 13:02:28 <Heinervdm> :)
Jan 21 13:02:37 <JaMa|Off> problem solved!
Jan 21 13:02:38 <mrmoku> hmm
Jan 21 13:02:40 <JaMa|Off> hurray :)
Jan 21 13:02:40 <mrmoku> ahh
Jan 21 13:02:50 <mrmoku> can't see any patches in patchwork?
Jan 21 13:03:06 <mrmoku> the french keyboard?
Jan 21 13:03:27 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: we are talking about my mail to oe-devel
Jan 21 13:03:42 <mrmoku> anyway... got to go back and control the windows are straight ;)
Jan 21 13:03:43 <mrmoku> bbl
Jan 21 13:04:52 <JaMa|Off> pitty that patch like this http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/589/ ended nowhere.. I replied asking few changes and suggested to send it to oe-devel directly.. and that guy didn't reply in a month :/
Jan 21 13:05:35 <JaMa|Off> the same 543 (same guy)
Jan 21 13:06:24 <JaMa|Off> but I refused to commit stuff I cannot test and cannot add proper credits in patch as he used 3 different names in that :)
Jan 21 13:06:41 <Heinervdm> :)
Jan 21 13:07:02 <Heinervdm> But i think we should do sth about that patch from dos: http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/604/
Jan 21 13:07:03 <JaMa|Off> and all not coresponding to OE policy
Jan 21 13:08:46 <JaMa|Off> daniele_athome: mokomaze finally built (with other stuff)
Jan 21 13:17:46 <daniele_athome> JaMa|Off, I see :) thanks
Jan 21 13:24:56 <gena2x> ~logs
Jan 21 13:24:57 <apt> All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged.
Jan 21 13:25:31 <Hakisho>  so this is not logged?
Jan 21 14:03:11 <daniele_athome> I have a problem with pygame
Jan 21 14:03:25 <JaMa|Off> is it related to smpeg libs?
Jan 21 14:04:35 <daniele_athome> JaMa|Off, no
Jan 21 14:04:41 <daniele_athome> I cannot set fullscreen mode to 640x480
Jan 21 14:04:45 <JaMa|Off> I'm not here but I gues that whacky hacky hack on buildhost to build pygame properly is not good enough for runntime
Jan 21 14:04:51 <daniele_athome> I rotated screen before setting resolution
Jan 21 14:05:04 <daniele_athome> JaMa|Off, why hacky?
Jan 21 14:05:18 <JaMa|Off> ah sorry no idea about that (never used it)
Jan 21 14:05:51 <daniele_athome> anyway, setting xrandr -o 1 and then fullscreen 640x480 should be right isn't it?
Jan 21 14:06:14 <Hakisho>  http://shr.pastebin.com/m2e64550c
Jan 21 14:06:15 <JaMa|Off> daniele_athome: smpeg is staged wrong on my buildhost and shr buildhost too, mickey reported that it works for him OK for distro=micro.. so I manually added one symlink on shr buildhost (which should be fixed in smpeg recipe properly)
Jan 21 14:06:26 <daniele_athome> oh...
Jan 21 14:06:36 <JaMa|Off> I'm not using xrandr..
Jan 21 14:06:55 <JaMa|Off> Hakisho: what kernel do you have?
Jan 21 14:07:05 <Hakisho> see in the pastebin
Jan 21 14:07:07 <JaMa|Off> Hakisho: ah see
Jan 21 14:07:28 <Hakisho>  with the latest 2.6.29 I have also trouble with gsm while usb is plugged in
Jan 21 14:07:35 <JaMa|Off> Hakisho: see http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/switch-for-kernel
Jan 21 14:07:53 <Hakisho>  merci
Jan 21 14:08:10 <JaMa|Off> I'll add it to kms/README :)
Jan 21 14:09:04 <Hakisho>  I have to run it manually with sh?
Jan 21 14:09:44 <JaMa|Off> yes read it to see what it's doing and then run it with right param
Jan 21 14:10:25 <Weiss> JaMa|Off: do you have/want/need a debug board?
Jan 21 14:10:29 <Hakisho>  the boottime of 2.6.31 with ubi is astonishing / 50sec to desktop
Jan 21 14:12:02 <JaMa|Off> Weiss: I was thinking about that offer.. but I didn't need it in last 2 years.. so I'm not sure if I would go so deep to kernel stuff to need debug board ..
Jan 21 14:12:28 <JaMa|Off> Weiss: serial cable for old spitz would be much more usefull and still I didn't buy it yet :)
Jan 21 14:13:10 <Weiss> JaMa|Off: yeah.. I only get mine out when I've broken stuff really badly. I ask because I'm about to have a spare one.  Seems to make more sense to pass it on to someone who needs it rather than just keeping it in case I (say) break my FPC
Jan 21 14:13:22 <JaMa|Off> Weiss: was debug board somehow usefull for you in other ocassions than WSOD while playing with kernel stuff?
Jan 21 14:14:04 <Weiss> I used it most when I was getting KMS up and running, and had to iteration around compile/flash/test boot/examine backtrace/fix obvious bug a few times
Jan 21 14:14:42 <Weiss> it's not so useful for "true" WSoDs, because hardware locks up solid
Jan 21 14:15:11 <Hakisho>  JaMa|Off, what is, if the kernel resides in NAND? Do I have to change KERNEL_NEW=uImage-2.6.31 ?
Jan 21 14:16:10 <JaMa|Off> Weiss: I hope for not being in that situation.. 
Jan 21 14:16:33 <JaMa|Off> Hakisho: then you should disable that part.. it only updates link in /boot which is not used for kernel in NAND
Jan 21 14:17:15 <Hakisho>  that is true also for "KERNEL_OLD"?
Jan 21 14:17:33 <daniele_athome> seems that xrandr doesn't show me mode 640x480 as available
Jan 21 14:17:41 <daniele_athome> though it's set after using xrandr -o 1/3
Jan 21 14:17:43 <daniele_athome> :S
Jan 21 14:19:31 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: how about a *sane* dbus config allowing org.freesmartphone explicitly. I mean after all it's a safety feature
Jan 21 14:21:52 <dos11> mrmoku: oh, sorry, forgot about postinst script ;x
Jan 21 14:25:45 <dos11> mrmoku: http://dosowisko.net/remove-tel
Jan 21 14:26:26 <dos1> mrmoku`: 
Jan 21 14:26:38 <dos1> [15:21] <dos11> mrmoku: oh, sorry, forgot about postinst script ;x
Jan 21 14:26:40 <dos1> [15:25] <dos11> mrmoku: http://dosowisko.net/remove-tel
Jan 21 14:52:13 <spaetz> daniele_athome: is 278 fixed?
Jan 21 14:52:13 <DocScrutinizer> SORRY TO EVERYBODYFOR THE INCONVENIENCE. i NEED TO SET CHANNEL TO +R TEMPORARILY. PLEASE REGISTER AND IDENTIFY YOUR NICK TO NICKSERVER (/msg nickserver help)
Jan 21 14:52:15 <spaetz> ok, will close
Jan 21 14:52:15 <daniele_athome> spaetz, yes
Jan 21 14:52:16 <daniele_athome> why don't give ticket status change permissions to the users?
Jan 21 14:52:22 <daniele_athome> because of spammers?
Jan 21 14:52:40 <spaetz> no clue, I guess it is not the default and nobody has ever changed it
Jan 21 14:53:06 <daniele_athome> spaetz, do you think it would be right to allow that?
Jan 21 14:53:57 <Heinervdm> why should one allow that? normal users can't fix bugs
Jan 21 14:54:15 <Heinervdm> they can only provide solutions
Jan 21 14:54:36 <spaetz> Heinervdm: but it would indeed be less work for us if they close tickets themselves that are obsolete
Jan 21 14:55:01 <spaetz> I have just granted authenticated users that right. We can always remove it again if it is being abused.
Jan 21 14:55:14 <Heinervdm> ok
Jan 21 14:55:34 <spaetz> at least *I believe* I have granted them the right :)
Jan 21 14:55:54 <spaetz> btw, Heinerdvm is the very first entry in the list of "Permissions" :-)
Jan 21 14:56:08 <spaetz> I mean "Heinervdm" is the first entry
Jan 21 14:56:38 <Heinervdm> I'm the number 1 !
Jan 21 14:57:01 <spaetz> hehe
Jan 21 14:58:27 <spaetz> well, I can see the advantages there right. But I rather have snapshoting on my file system level and synchronization done my my IMAP server/protocol :)
Jan 21 14:58:34 <spaetz> arrg, wrong win again!
Jan 21 15:00:20 <daniele_athome> spaetz, yes I have the right now :)
Jan 21 15:00:38 * daniele_athome is starting to close every open ticket and reopening every closed ticket :P
Jan 21 15:00:41 <daniele_athome> lol :P
Jan 21 15:00:47 * spaetz smacks daniele_athome 
Jan 21 15:01:02 <daniele_athome> :)
Jan 21 15:01:34 * spaetz grants every user BUT daniele_athome the right to do everything to tickets :P
Jan 21 15:01:43 <daniele_athome> oh... :(
Jan 21 15:03:58 <daniele_athome> http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/767
Jan 21 15:04:12 <daniele_athome> in the last comment TAsn says that phonefsod will activate vibration
Jan 21 15:04:35 <daniele_athome> you mean without using fsodevice? contacting the proc filesystem directly?
Jan 21 15:05:00 <mrmoku> dos1: ok, thanks
Jan 21 15:13:42 <Hakisho>  mrmoku: for NAND based installation with 2.6.31 your switch-for-kernel has to be modified with comments for "link_kernel $KERNEL_NEW" and "link_kernel $KERNEL_OLD", nothing else?
Jan 21 15:14:44 <mrmoku> Hakisho: to boot kernel from NAND you would have to flash it via nandwrite
Jan 21 15:15:48 <Hakisho>  is it not possible to update via .ubi files and kernel over dfu /neotool?
Jan 21 15:17:05 <DocScrutinizer> dfu-util should be quite agnostic to filesystem used in /
Jan 21 15:18:49 <mrmoku> Hakisho: no idea about ubi....
Jan 21 15:19:36 <JaMa|Off> Hakisho: you already have that kernel in NAND.. so just disable that section in that script
Jan 21 15:20:11 <Hakisho>  I've done that, but it would work, no sound at all
Jan 21 15:20:25 <Hakisho> gsm is also dead
Jan 21 15:21:36 <Hakisho>  2010.01.21 16:10:07.457 ogsmd                WARNING  (could not write to '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on': [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on')
Jan 21 15:23:06 <JaMa|Off> Hakisho: how did you run that script?
Jan 21 15:23:23 <Hakisho>  sh ./swich..
Jan 21 15:23:30 <JaMa|Off> hmm :/
Jan 21 15:23:47 <Hakisho>  maybe I forgot the ./
Jan 21 15:23:52 <JaMa|Off> and param :)
Jan 21 15:25:06 <JaMa|Off> see if [ "$1"Z == "newZ" ]; then
Jan 21 15:25:08 <Hakisho>  without kernel_new and _old (commented out the link_kernel $KERNEL_)
Jan 21 15:26:25 <Hakisho> 	sed_file $MODEMPY "s#/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/#/gta02-pm-gsm.0/#g"
Jan 21 15:26:25 <Hakisho> 	sed_file $GPSPY "s#neo1973-pm-gps.0/power_on#gta02-pm-gps.0/power_on#"
Jan 21 15:26:25 <Hakisho> 	sed_file $SND_MODUTILS "s/$SOUNDMOD_OLD/$SOUNDMOD_NEW/g"
Jan 21 15:27:55 <JaMa|Off> hmm what about that? just run it "sh swith-for-kernel new"
Jan 21 15:28:16 <DocScrutinizer> @all: please read http://blog.freenode.net
Jan 21 15:30:28 <Hakisho>  adjusting file snd-soc-neo...sed: /etc/modutils/snd-soc-neo: No such file or directory  and the both rm commands failed
Jan 21 15:34:15 <mrmoku> Hakisho: error in frameworkd.log is normal... it tries the old (2.4) kernel sysfs path too, to power the modem
Jan 21 15:34:35 <mrmoku> hmmm
Jan 21 15:34:48 <mrmoku> nvm, looks like the new path
Jan 21 15:35:35 <mrmoku> Hakisho: yeah, just kall it with 'new' as param to switch to the new kernel...
Jan 21 15:35:39 <mrmoku> s/kall/call/
Jan 21 15:35:41 <apt> mrmoku meant: Hakisho: yeah, just call it with 'new' as param to switch to the new kernel...
Jan 21 15:35:46 <mrmoku> without param it will switch to the old one
Jan 21 15:36:23 <Hakisho> ah ok.
Jan 21 15:39:02 <JaMa|Off> lol
Jan 21 15:40:24 <Hakisho>  that was meant by param ;)
Jan 21 15:41:23 <JaMa|Off> yes as show by example in 16:27:37 < JaMa|Off> hmm what about that? just run it "sh swith-for-kernel new" :)
Jan 21 15:48:05 <spaetz> sh switch-for-kernel moo
Jan 21 15:49:01 <Hakisho>  sh switch-for-kernel no
Jan 21 15:50:11 <JaMa|Off> http://pastebin.ca/1760305
Jan 21 16:03:39 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~ping
Jan 21 16:03:41 <apt> ~pong
Jan 21 16:13:27 <mickeyl> http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/2.6.32/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.32.3-oe1+gitr2+058cbf4220fd2f1cd970bf553c044cb178e3804e-r4-om-gta02.bin 
Jan 21 16:13:32 <mickeyl> is the one w/ MMC suspend/resume fix?
Jan 21 16:15:59 <JaMa|Off> mickeyl: yes
Jan 21 16:16:46 <JaMa|Off> mickeyl: but I still have WSOD with that
Jan 21 16:16:48 <Weiss> question for German speakers: in English you can address something to "someone c/o someone else" (care of). What's the equivalent in German?
Jan 21 16:17:13 <mickeyl> d'oh
Jan 21 16:17:18 <mickeyl> JaMa|Off: when?
Jan 21 16:17:33 <mickeyl> Weiss: c/o will be understood in germany as well
Jan 21 16:17:44 <mickeyl> Weiss: alternative 'zu Händen'
Jan 21 16:17:52 <mickeyl> but with c/o you're on the safe side
Jan 21 16:18:20 <Hakisho> z. Hd. (oder z. H.)
Jan 21 16:18:21 <Weiss> ok, I'll do that
Jan 21 16:19:01 <Weiss> hmm.. is c/o safer than z.H.?
Jan 21 16:19:32 <mickeyl> i think so, yes
Jan 21 16:19:35 <JaMa|Off> mickeyl: suspend/resume
Jan 21 16:19:51 <mickeyl> z.H. is usually used in a company to specify the exact person that it's for
Jan 21 16:19:57 <JaMa|Off> mickeyl: it's probably still with DRM patches issue.. 
Jan 21 16:20:20 <TAsn> daniele_athome, http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/767
Jan 21 16:20:24 <mickeyl> JaMa|Off: hmm, k, i'm not interested in the display atm.
Jan 21 16:20:41 <TAsn> I meant we'll replace oevents in controlling it.
Jan 21 16:20:48 <TAsn> but we'll use fsodeviced
Jan 21 16:21:39 <daniele_athome> TAsn, ok thanks :)
Jan 21 16:22:00 <TAsn> np
Jan 21 16:22:02 <DocScrutinizer> c/o is kinda international wellknown acronym, but I found quite a number of German people not to know it. "Zu Haenden:" is the official German phrase for that
Jan 21 16:22:46 <DocScrutinizer> Postbuettel should know c/o anyway
Jan 21 16:22:58 <Weiss> given that the official language of this site is English, so it won't matter until it gets onto the site..
Jan 21 16:23:06 <Weiss> I just don't want DHL to get confused
Jan 21 16:24:50 <mickeyl> then just use c/o
Jan 21 16:25:26 <Weiss> ok :)
Jan 21 16:25:29 <Weiss> thanks for the advice
Jan 21 16:25:30 <DocScrutinizer> Nota bene "zu Haenden" has "reversed logic": adressee c/o proxy  vs "to proxy >zu Haenden< addressee
Jan 21 16:26:26 <daniele_athome> see you this night
Jan 21 16:26:26 <daniele_athome> bye
Jan 21 16:27:36 <DocScrutinizer> in German someteims " bei <proxy> " is used
Jan 21 16:28:40 <DocScrutinizer> so c/o == "bei"
Jan 21 16:29:25 <Weiss> yeah
Jan 21 16:30:17 <Weiss> sounds like c/o does what I want it to do.. the eventual address will have quite a lot of redundancy with my name, their name, building and room numbers
Jan 21 16:31:12 <DocScrutinizer> that should pan out (or not pan out though not caused by c/o) quite well
Jan 21 16:31:47 <Weiss> yeah
Jan 21 16:32:17 <DocScrutinizer> DHL delivering my N900 was too lame to find the entrance on the backside of the building. Frontside has a shop door only :-S
Jan 21 16:33:12 <DocScrutinizer> (Yoga Studio - for the insiders enjoying the running gag ;-P )
Jan 21 16:33:32 <Weiss> hehe
Jan 21 16:33:55 <Weiss> second FR ordered :D
Jan 21 16:34:03 <DocScrutinizer> A7?
Jan 21 16:34:08 <DocScrutinizer> 1024?
Jan 21 16:34:12 <DocScrutinizer> goldelico?
Jan 21 16:34:13 <Weiss> A7+1024, yep
Jan 21 16:34:14 <Weiss> yep
Jan 21 16:34:18 <DocScrutinizer> cooooool
Jan 21 16:34:33 <Weiss> then my current A6 becomes a development phone where I break the kernel with impunity
Jan 21 16:34:40 <DocScrutinizer> toldya goldelico are *really* nice guys
Jan 21 16:35:20 <Weiss> I realised that my current OM unproductivity isn't to do with time as such, but because I need to have a phone that (vaguely) works at the start/end of each hacking session
Jan 21 16:35:27 <Weiss> with a second phone, I don't need to have "sessions" :D
Jan 21 16:36:00 <Weiss> means I have a debug board to donate to whoever needs it most
Jan 21 16:36:17 <DocScrutinizer> Weiss: some 18 months ago OM was shipping sponsored devices to devels for that purpose
Jan 21 16:36:42 <Weiss> yeah
Jan 21 16:36:56 <DocScrutinizer> and I'd keep the debubo. or at least the FPC
Jan 21 16:37:44 <Weiss> yeah, that was my thought too...
Jan 21 16:37:44 <DocScrutinizer> my efforts to crank up a free giveout of spare FPC was rather futile
Jan 21 16:38:20 <mickeyl> at some point Sean promised me 10 FR to giveaway
Jan 21 16:38:27 <DocScrutinizer> probably meantime OM dumped ~5k of those FPC
Jan 21 16:38:30 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Jan 21 16:38:52 <DocScrutinizer> yeah Sean.... *sigh*
Jan 21 16:38:56 <mickeyl> i might ask him whether he still would be interested in that as giveaway for honourable hackers
Jan 21 16:39:09 <Weiss> FPC giveaway or FR?
Jan 21 16:39:22 <DocScrutinizer> FR of course
Jan 21 16:39:45 <DocScrutinizer> FPC should be more like 500 rather than 10 :-P
Jan 21 16:40:19 <Weiss> hehe
Jan 21 16:42:52 <mickeyl> hmm, fun
Jan 21 16:42:57 <mickeyl> freshly formatted SD
Jan 21 16:42:59 <mickeyl> ext2fs error
Jan 21 16:43:06 <mickeyl> guess the new kernel doesn't like my sD
Jan 21 16:43:24 <mickeyl> grr
Jan 21 16:43:32 <mickeyl> ok, then into the internal flash...
Jan 21 16:50:31 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~ping
Jan 21 16:50:33 <apt> ~pong
Jan 21 16:52:36 <Hakisho>  http://shr.pastebin.com/d330e6e8
Jan 21 16:55:37 <JaMa|Off> Hakisho: that's ok
Jan 21 16:57:49 <Hakisho>  also if theres no sound
Jan 21 16:58:32 <JaMa|Off> check if snd module was loaded
Jan 21 17:01:41 <wpwrak> hmm, a dumb question: if some evil mage would make all batteries made by openmoko disappear from the planet. how much trouble would that be in practical terms ?
Jan 21 17:01:57 <wpwrak> i.e., how good are the various nokia replacements ?
Jan 21 17:03:33 <wpwrak> (speaking of gta01 and gta02 owners, of course)
Jan 21 17:06:41 <mickeyl> bl5c will probably be available for another decade
Jan 21 17:06:50 <mickeyl> no CC though
Jan 21 17:07:34 <mickeyl> an after another decade, i think noone will still use the GTA
Jan 21 17:07:40 <wpwrak> mickeyl: does the bl5c work well ? i.e., does it hold a full charge and all that ?
Jan 21 17:08:01 <mickeyl> hmm, last time i tried, it didn't charge in the device, but only in an external charger
Jan 21 17:08:06 <mickeyl> other people have reported more success
Jan 21 17:08:25 <DocScrutinizer> wooooho Wernerrrrr ! ;-)
Jan 21 17:08:28 * JaMa|Off is using that as spare..
Jan 21 17:08:31 <wpwrak> mickeyl: maybe someone will build a space probe with one :) but then, they may prefer to use types of batteries for the way to distant galaxies ...
Jan 21 17:08:41 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: hmm ?
Jan 21 17:08:43 <mickeyl> and bl5c only has 850mA
Jan 21 17:08:47 <DocScrutinizer> hi
Jan 21 17:08:52 <DocScrutinizer> just hi
Jan 21 17:08:52 <mickeyl> which is inconvenient
Jan 21 17:09:09 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: new bl-5c should have more
Jan 21 17:09:21 <DocScrutinizer> ~battery-faq
Jan 21 17:09:31 <DocScrutinizer> grrr
Jan 21 17:09:34 <wpwrak> mickeyl: not charging would be problem. 850 mA ... well, i'm sure there are some beefed-up noname batteries that can beat that, at least on the label ;-)
Jan 21 17:11:40 <DocScrutinizer> ~tell wpwrak about batteryfaq
Jan 21 17:12:21 <wpwrak> heh, nice :)
Jan 21 17:12:32 <mickeyl> ~battery-faq
Jan 21 17:12:45 <mickeyl> well
Jan 21 17:12:56 <mickeyl> if all goes well, we can replace our FR in a couple of years with something more recent
Jan 21 17:13:18 <DocScrutinizer> +batteryfaq
Jan 21 17:13:24 <DocScrutinizer> ~batteryfaq
Jan 21 17:13:26 <apt> batteryfaq is probably http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers
Jan 21 17:14:18 <wpwrak> mickeyl: indeed :)
Jan 21 17:14:27 <mickeyl> do we have proper battery handling of gta01 batteries in gta02 these days or is that still absent?
Jan 21 17:14:43 <DocScrutinizer> see batteryfaq :-P
Jan 21 17:14:51 <mickeyl> nah
Jan 21 17:14:55 <DocScrutinizer> short term: we have
Jan 21 17:15:06 <mickeyl> coolness
Jan 21 17:15:12 <DocScrutinizer> ~hail PaulFertser 
Jan 21 17:15:14 * apt bows down to PaulFertser and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Jan 21 17:15:57 <mickeyl> i reckon we can't have both power class devices already in?
Jan 21 17:16:16 <DocScrutinizer> need unload & modprobe
Jan 21 17:16:20 <mickeyl> pity
Jan 21 17:16:27 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: it's kinda creepy if you send your mindless servants to thank other people on your behalf
Jan 21 17:16:42 <DocScrutinizer> hehehe
Jan 21 17:16:58 <mickeyl> ~praise wpwrak 
Jan 21 17:16:59 <apt> All hail wpwrak!
Jan 21 17:17:03 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser received a proper share of thanks notes from me
Jan 21 17:18:44 <DocScrutinizer> and I had a decent share of thinking and planning on how to implement that shit properly, so... ~hail jOERG   just sounds a little selfish :-)
Jan 21 17:20:28 <mickeyl> where's the problem in having both loaded? 
Jan 21 17:20:35 <mickeyl> switching?
Jan 21 17:20:41 <mickeyl> or even not switching?
Jan 21 17:20:47 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: ~hail self -> "DocScrutinizer stands in front of a mirror, smiling, and blows a kiss at the handsome genius he beholds" ?
Jan 21 17:20:50 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, need to prepare me another coffe to recall
Jan 21 17:22:22 <DocScrutinizer> I think it's mostly because gta02 CC management blows chunks when gta01 bat is inserted. And E runs apeshit on nonexistent batteries listed in SYS
Jan 21 17:22:32 <DocScrutinizer> or hal
Jan 21 17:22:37 <DocScrutinizer> or dunno
Jan 21 17:22:45 * DocScrutinizer off for coffee
Jan 21 17:22:55 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFert`: au secours ;-)
Jan 21 17:23:22 <mickeyl> well
Jan 21 17:23:28 <mickeyl> E could just use FSO to read battery status...
Jan 21 17:23:47 <mickeyl> bq2700 i think detects that it can't read anything
Jan 21 17:23:53 <mickeyl> dunno about 01
Jan 21 17:26:26 <wpwrak> so the bottom line is that the gta02 hardware is perfectly suitable for alternative batteries ?
Jan 21 17:27:05 <mickeyl> looks like it
Jan 21 17:27:17 <mickeyl> why? do you plan to call all CC batteries backß
Jan 21 17:27:18 <mickeyl> ?
Jan 21 17:28:15 <wpwrak> naw, but the ones that are still around, including the ones in stock, aren't getting any younger
Jan 21 17:28:53 <wpwrak> and if there's some hw change that would make 3rd party batteries work better, then that's a change i'd love to have in gta02-core as well
Jan 21 17:29:14 <mickeyl> ah, that's why you're asking
Jan 21 17:29:44 <mickeyl> DLR Oberfaffenhofen has now a small fab
Jan 21 17:29:53 <mickeyl> i reckon your problem is the parts atm. though, not the fab
Jan 21 17:30:36 <wpwrak> fab should still be good. i'm checking with sao paulo, though
Jan 21 17:31:15 <mickeyl> the director just called me yesterday and told me that
Jan 21 17:31:56 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: we could talk about improvement for making dumb batteries work better with 02core hw.
Jan 21 17:32:21 <DocScrutinizer> there's a few small tweaks that could be done
Jan 21 17:32:30 <DocScrutinizer> and a few not-so-small
Jan 21 17:34:54 <wpwrak> mickeyl: nice :) it's always good to know there's a backup
Jan 21 17:35:20 <mickeyl> yeah
Jan 21 17:35:35 <mickeyl> special interest groups are still eager to have a full FOSS phone
Jan 21 17:35:37 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: aha ! maybe something for #gta02-core ?
Jan 21 17:35:54 <wpwrak> mickeyl: i think there are a *lot* of special interest groups
Jan 21 17:36:10 <wpwrak> mickeyl: particularly those who also want to tweak the hardware a little
Jan 21 17:36:21 <mickeyl> yep
Jan 21 17:36:34 <mickeyl> two days ago on the munich openmoko stammtisch i seen some very cool things
Jan 21 17:36:43 <mickeyl> folks adding all kinds of sensors via i2c
Jan 21 17:36:59 <mickeyl> yesterday,a ctually
Jan 21 17:37:21 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: sure
Jan 21 17:38:13 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: as soon as paul, you & me manage to be online and in the right mood
Jan 21 17:39:06 <wpwrak> okay. just tell me when to grab the beer :)
Jan 21 17:44:26 <wpwrak> mickeyl: for labs, measurement stations, other ?
Jan 21 17:47:31 <mickeyl> for fun, i think :)
Jan 21 17:47:39 <mickeyl> he had some graphing apps on it
Jan 21 17:47:49 <mickeyl> barometer, gyrus, pressure sensor, etc.
Jan 21 17:48:36 <mickeyl> hmm, where's CIA gone?
Jan 21 17:48:48 <mickeyl> scared by the +R?
Jan 21 17:51:51 <wpwrak> mickeyl: geek-lab then ;-)
Jan 21 17:52:21 <mickeyl> yep
Jan 21 17:52:46 <wpwrak> mickeyl: some device that has just sort of "all" sensors may actually be fun
Jan 21 18:12:42 <PaulFert`> DocScrutinizer: Hey :) Thanks :)
Jan 21 18:18:03 * mickeyl announces working audio in voice calls on msm
Jan 21 18:19:32 <mickeyl> that took only 10 months
Jan 21 18:19:39 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Jan 21 18:19:44 <mickeyl> lets see how long until a ringtone
Jan 21 18:19:53 <DocScrutinizer> lol^2
Jan 21 18:20:31 <mickeyl> funny thing is it would probably been much faster when someone had told me about that ioctl
Jan 21 18:20:33 <mickeyl> earlier
Jan 21 18:20:40 <mickeyl> oh well
Jan 21 18:20:42 <mickeyl> *shrug*
Jan 21 18:20:55 <PaulFert`> mickeyl: but that's not too late i hope, what else is missing to get a fully-supported platform?
Jan 21 18:21:58 <mickeyl> GPS, BT, Wifi, Camera
Jan 21 18:22:04 <mickeyl> X is supposed to work, but I didn't try
Jan 21 18:23:36 <Deubeuliou> mickeyl: on which phone ?
Jan 21 18:23:40 <mickeyl> HTC Touch Pro
Jan 21 18:23:45 <Deubeuliou> ok :)
Jan 21 18:26:51 <ThibG> (is it safe to upgrade SHR unstable?)
Jan 21 18:34:25 <mickeyl> DocScrutinizer: want some more funnies? 
Jan 21 18:38:13 <mickeyl> no volume control on this fine device
Jan 21 18:38:18 <mickeyl> all done in software on the AP
Jan 21 18:38:34 <mickeyl> oh the agony...
Jan 21 18:43:15 <PaulFert`> mickeyl: Intel HDA (azalia) doesn't have hardware volume control either.
Jan 21 18:44:28 <mickeyl> bah, i don't want to get pulseaudio again
Jan 21 18:44:31 <mickeyl> *sigh*
Jan 21 18:45:57 <PaulFert`> mickeyl: on desktops that can be solved with pure alsa.
Jan 21 18:46:10 <spaetz> hehe
Jan 21 18:46:12 <PaulFert`> I mean if there's alsa support for the card, then alsa provides softvol.
Jan 21 18:46:20 <mickeyl> alsa? hah
Jan 21 18:46:22 <PaulFert`> No need for PA
Jan 21 18:46:28 <mickeyl> we don't have alsa
Jan 21 18:46:31 <mickeyl> we have qdsp5
Jan 21 18:46:57 <spaetz> PA seems to be one of the most controversial pkgs i've seen
Jan 21 18:47:02 <mickeyl> then again
Jan 21 18:47:05 <PaulFert`> Wasn't there an alsa driver by some strange company that leviathan and GNUtoo were tweaking?
Jan 21 18:47:06 <mickeyl> can't use PA
Jan 21 18:47:23 <mickeyl> PA doesn't know how to output 
Jan 21 18:47:45 <mickeyl> PaulFert`: yes, but that's the htcdream. raphael is sufficiently different enough that most of the research for the trout does not apply 
Jan 21 18:47:51 <mickeyl> s/trout/dream/
Jan 21 18:47:51 <apt> mickeyl meant: PaulFert`: yes, but that's the htcdream. raphael is sufficiently different enough that most of the research for the dream does not apply 
Jan 21 18:48:03 <mickeyl> otherwise it would be much too easy...
Jan 21 18:48:04 <mickeyl> *sigh*
Jan 21 18:48:22 <mickeyl> i wonder whether i should rather give up than wasting my time with that platform
Jan 21 18:48:36 <PaulFert`> Well, at least there certainly exist sadder things in life.
Jan 21 18:48:50 <mickeyl> on doubt about that
Jan 21 18:48:56 <mickeyl> stuck in my little universe here 
Jan 21 18:49:00 <mickeyl> s/on/no/
Jan 21 18:49:43 <spaetz> mickeyl, hopefully with soome funding in sight...
Jan 21 18:50:03 <PaulFert`> for java development on android...
Jan 21 19:10:38 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: hey, maybe that friggin D/A has no hw attenuation or mixer at all
Jan 21 19:11:26 <Kensan> evening
Jan 21 19:13:19 * DocScrutinizer remembers a platform called Gepard back in the *old* days, with a 68000 processor(?) that they claimed was so powerful they do all the audio mixing and attenuation in mere software and need only one D/A for audio output. "Even in 16bit!" :-P
Jan 21 19:15:10 <wpwrak> mickeyl: if i ever need to convince someone that you must control the hardware in order to make a really "free" phone, i'll first close the windows, remove all sharp and blunt objects, remove belts and ropes, put some nice soft cushion on the table, and then put them on a call with you :)
Jan 21 19:16:40 <mickeyl> deal
Jan 21 19:16:50 <DocScrutinizer> XD
Jan 21 19:17:22 <mickeyl> ok, the vibrator is a completely different device as well
Jan 21 19:17:26 <mickeyl> i guess we can screw the idea that everyone is using led class devices for their vibrators
Jan 21 19:17:28 <mickeyl> there goes another idea of "just using class drivers"
Jan 21 19:17:29 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: don't miss to take a decent video ;-P
Jan 21 19:17:30 <mickeyl> will invent a vibrator API
Jan 21 19:17:32 <mickeyl> (for FSO)
Jan 21 19:17:34 <mickeyl> and then hide the nasty stuff behind that
Jan 21 19:18:03 <DocScrutinizer> good plan
Jan 21 19:18:06 * lindi- does not like the /sys/class/leds interface at all since it requires root access :(
Jan 21 19:18:30 * DocScrutinizer always failed to see how vibrator is faintly resembling a LED
Jan 21 19:18:41 <mickeyl> heh
Jan 21 19:18:45 <mickeyl> well, i guess that was my idea
Jan 21 19:18:49 <mickeyl> i think they're pretty similar
Jan 21 19:19:02 <mickeyl> just substituting light with movement
Jan 21 19:19:14 <mickeyl> and i like the idea of reusing the trigger architecture in the led class subsystem
Jan 21 19:19:22 <DocScrutinizer> not a good idea though :-/
Jan 21 19:19:39 <mickeyl> that's subjective
Jan 21 19:19:46 <wpwrak> mickeyl: there you are, with all the power of FSO, and you still want to use kernel-based triggers ?
Jan 21 19:20:03 <mickeyl> wpwrak: absolutely, think CPU
Jan 21 19:20:05 <DocScrutinizer> valid point
Jan 21 19:20:26 <DocScrutinizer> valid points even
Jan 21 19:20:39 <mickeyl> something like the netfilter trigger is insane to do in userspace
Jan 21 19:20:41 <wpwrak> mickeyl: hmm, on what exactly would you trigger, so that it happens often enough for the cpu load to be different ?
Jan 21 19:20:51 <wpwrak> mickeyl: oh, i see. yes, that would be evil :)
Jan 21 19:21:35 <wpwrak> mickeyl: however, some aggregator may be called for then. after all, not everything is triggerable. what if you want a beep or such ?
Jan 21 19:21:54 <mickeyl> but given that we now have at least three ways to control a vibrator, all that is moot
Jan 21 19:21:58 <DocScrutinizer> heh you actually consider my netfilter trigger proposal? :-D
Jan 21 19:22:15 <mickeyl> there is a netfilter led trigger in the openwrt code
Jan 21 19:22:15 <wpwrak> mickeyl: do the three include direct messing with gpio ?
Jan 21 19:22:28 <mickeyl> wpwrak: no, that would be #4 then :/
Jan 21 19:22:31 <DocScrutinizer> duh thieves
Jan 21 19:22:32 <wpwrak> *grin*
Jan 21 19:22:41 <mickeyl> it's there since ages though
Jan 21 19:22:50 <mickeyl> i like it a lot
Jan 21 19:23:06 <mickeyl> it's nice to see your AUX blinking on an incoming wlan TX 
Jan 21 19:23:09 <mickeyl> e.g.
Jan 21 19:23:18 <wpwrak> i guess an aggregator would be just as nice ...
Jan 21 19:23:31 <DocScrutinizer> wtf. Why didn't anybody tell me so I might dummy up????
Jan 21 19:24:44 <DocScrutinizer> spent some evenings on IRC chat and even a mail to Harald to convince everybody we need such a thing :-(
Jan 21 19:25:04 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: did harald like it ?
Jan 21 19:25:29 <DocScrutinizer> dunno. Or more precise can't remember if he even answered
Jan 21 19:26:29 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: aggregator == sum-up of traffic ??
Jan 21 19:28:10 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: ;-) i think there are better ways. e.g., how about a "send to user space" target with multiple queues (i.e., one per application/type of event/whatever, instead of a system-wide shared one), a configurable maximum queue size, and a drop-first vs. drop-last policy switch ?
Jan 21 19:28:14 <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: so when will FSO learn to postpone suspend until bulk transfers finished?
Jan 21 19:29:28 <mickeyl> bulk trnasfer?
Jan 21 19:29:39 <DocScrutinizer> downloads etc
Jan 21 19:30:02 <DocScrutinizer> wget
Jan 21 19:30:14 <DocScrutinizer> opk update
Jan 21 19:30:15 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: e.g., a retriggerable monoflop would need a queue of length 1, drop-first policy. it would trigger on anything you want, tx, rx, firewall, etc.
Jan 21 19:30:27 <mickeyl> hmm
Jan 21 19:30:44 <mickeyl> that would require some information from networking
Jan 21 19:30:57 <mickeyl> if it's just gsm, i have that info
Jan 21 19:31:03 <mickeyl> not for the other ways to transfer
Jan 21 19:31:10 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-21 20:23:06] <mickeyl> it's nice to see your AUX blinking on an incoming wlan TX
Jan 21 19:32:28 * DocScrutinizer has a deja-vu :-/
Jan 21 19:32:39 <mickeyl> yes
Jan 21 19:32:57 <mickeyl> that goes via net -> led kernel trigger
Jan 21 19:33:06 <mickeyl> it's not a general purpose information trigger
Jan 21 19:35:11 <wpwrak> mickeyl: yup. that's what i don't like about these triggers. why not just add taps to the subsystems that have interesting things to tell ? in the case of netfilter, it's even already there. just needs a few more knobs.
Jan 21 19:36:57 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: the idea of making it a netfilter target, if that's what your proposal is about, goes in the right direction. much better than some "tx has happened -> post a kernel-internal event"
Jan 21 19:39:47 <wpwrak> (the packets destined for user space would of course never be copied. that is, unless user space indeed decides to read them all.)
Jan 21 19:42:09 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: my idea was to have a dedicated netfilter target( is it the right terminus?) so you could exploit all netfilter magic to decide if you're interested in getting notified about ARP ICMP or just inbound packets from your sip server to port 5060
Jan 21 19:42:34 <DocScrutinizer> yeah I know netfilter doesn't probably know about arp
Jan 21 19:43:12 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: i think it does
Jan 21 19:43:30 <DocScrutinizer> anyway I feel like taking the parrot role once again :-/ me off for a nice dinner
Jan 21 19:45:13 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: target sounds right to me. but you wouldn't need a new one. why not extend LOG ?
Jan 21 19:45:26 <DocScrutinizer> good plan
Jan 21 19:45:37 <wpwrak> ah, even better: NFLOG
Jan 21 19:49:40 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-08-31 15:48:53] <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: you noticed my suggestion to 
Jan 21 19:49:41 <DocScrutinizer> create a netfilter target that can set particular "idle"/"busy" state (what's 
Jan 21 19:49:43 <DocScrutinizer> the surname of those states?)
Jan 21 19:49:44 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-08-31 15:50:01] <DocScrutinizer> mickeyl: that way we had a very natural 
Jan 21 19:49:46 <DocScrutinizer> means to stop suspend/resume oscillating during e.g. GPRS inbound traffic
Jan 21 19:49:47 <DocScrutinizer> [2009-08-31 15:51:07] <DocScrutinizer> also sanely make wget dl finish without 
Jan 21 19:49:49 <DocScrutinizer> suspend interruption
Jan 21 19:50:49 <DocScrutinizer> harald didn't answer
Jan 21 19:52:22 <DocScrutinizer> so much for that topic. Made my point long ago. Just a friendly reminder
Jan 21 19:52:28 * DocScrutinizer away
Jan 21 19:53:42 <spaetz> make wget an alias for fsoraw... wget :-)
Jan 21 19:55:36 <DocScrutinizer51> well no really ever away completely ;-P
Jan 21 19:57:04 <DocScrutinizer51> spaetz: good point. Actually I did exactly that on my FR some time ago. same for opkg. Still there are other services that linger on while no actual traffic
Jan 21 19:57:55 <spaetz> yep
Jan 21 20:01:29 <DocScrutinizer51> aah just in case the quote if IRC above was excerpt of this chan. You might find in !logs
Jan 21 20:01:38 <rtp> DocScrutinizer51: fwiw, nokia had written a nf target called idletimer responsible to tell userspace that an iface has not been used for some amount of time. Should be easy to modify to make it work as you want
Jan 21 20:02:41 <DocScrutinizer51> rtp: sound like it wouldn't need any modifications
Jan 21 20:05:57 <rtp> well, it was long time ago, not sure it's working as-is on newer kernels
Jan 21 20:08:56 * DocScrutinizer51 can't stop himself to tap his own shoulder for fsoraw... Seems I feel like fishing for compliments today
Jan 21 20:09:11 <wpwrak> or just whenever you consider suspending, check if the tx/rx counters have changed
Jan 21 20:09:39 <wpwrak> for experts: use the counters on NF rules :)
Jan 21 20:09:55 <wpwrak> so many ways to do it, so few kernel changes needed ;-)
Jan 21 20:11:38 * DocScrutinizer51 shutting down TV via IRreco, hugs his N900 and leaves flat for getting dinner
Jan 21 20:15:27 <bumbl> hmm is there a way to set the password through the settings app? the first run wizard ran and i forgot to set a password but now it does not display any .desktop files and i cannot access the phone via ssh - i can access the settings though through the illume menu
Jan 21 20:34:21 <JaMa> xinput-calibrator seems working fine for neo :)
Jan 21 20:53:11 <alabd> Hello , what are morgue packages for ?
Jan 21 20:53:39 <alabd> lindi-: JaMa hi
Jan 21 20:54:27 <alabd> in shr build host 
Jan 21 20:54:51 <spaetz> they are older versions of pkgs
Jan 21 20:55:18 <alabd> spaetz: thanks
Jan 21 20:57:15 <JaMa> ./openmoko-cdevel-2010-01-20:17:26 < JaMa|Off> and those numbers are not exact.. (because also "morgue" dirs are counted - old version, available in feeds but not installed by default)
Jan 21 20:57:19 <JaMa> hmm :)
Jan 21 21:00:47 <DocScrutinizer51> heh that'd mean picking up suplementary info ;-P
Jan 21 21:01:50 <spaetz> heh
Jan 21 21:02:08 <spaetz> now you made him quit...
Jan 21 21:02:17 <DocScrutinizer51> nahhh
Jan 21 21:02:26 <JaMa> DocScrutinizer51: he asked about 2 mins after I said this :)
Jan 21 21:02:28 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm so mean
Jan 21 21:02:36 <JaMa> no I'm
Jan 21 21:07:23 <spaetz> no, he's simply not listening
Jan 21 21:09:59 <JaMa> yes.. he is asking instead of listening :)
Jan 21 21:19:19 <alabd>   JaMa:  yes yestarday answer but what do you mean of not installed by default ?
Jan 21 21:20:19 <JaMa> alabd: if you run ie "opkg install package" then the latest version (downloaded by default) will be outside morgue dir and installed
Jan 21 21:20:53 <JaMa> alabd: if you really want to install some file from morgue dir you have to manually download/install it (oposite to "by default")
Jan 21 21:21:40 <alabd> jama thanks 
Jan 21 21:35:39 <Wonka> hrmf.
Jan 21 21:35:54 <Wonka> frameworkd seems to hang
Jan 21 21:39:17 <DocScrutinizer51> well THATS news ;-P
Jan 21 21:40:59 <Wonka> futex(0x88aaf0, 0x80 /* FUTEX_??? */, 0
Jan 21 21:41:24 <Wonka> 0x80 seems to be FUTEX_WAIT || FUTEX_PRIVATE_FLAG
Jan 21 21:41:36 <Wonka> make that one |
Jan 21 21:41:40 <Wonka> aka FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE
Jan 21 21:42:34 <Wonka> last events in frameworkd.log are about disconnecting gprs
Jan 21 21:47:05 <Wonka> any ideas?
Jan 21 22:46:29 <Wonka> hell yeah.
Jan 21 22:46:57 <Wonka> finally decided to restart frameworkd instead of looking for the reason it hung...
Jan 21 22:47:08 <Wonka> /etc/init.d/frameworkd stop
Jan 21 22:47:09 <Wonka> /etc/init.d/frameworkd start
Jan 21 22:47:16 <Wonka> aaaaaand nothing. log says:
Jan 21 22:47:19 <Wonka> 2010.01.21 23:46:11.198 frameworkd.controller ERROR    dbus bus name org.freesmartphone.frameworkd already claimed. Exiting.
Jan 21 22:47:45 <DocScrutinizer51> yup. never *really* worked for me ;-P
Jan 21 22:48:12 <Wonka> what the *bleep* was it waiting for anyways?
Jan 21 22:48:32 <DocScrutinizer51> though other users claim to do that all the time
Jan 21 22:49:08 <DocScrutinizer51> for a dbus reply that went to dev/null instead?
Jan 21 22:49:24 <DocScrutinizer51> nobody ever knows :-/
Jan 21 22:49:26 <Wonka> in that futex call i pasted above?
Jan 21 23:12:04 <daniele_athome> actually ogsmd hangs very often for me
Jan 21 23:12:20 <daniele_athome> and for often I mean every 10 phone calls, more or less
Jan 21 23:15:17 <DocScrutinizer51> daniele_athome: gprs enabled?
Jan 21 23:15:26 <daniele_athome> DocScrutinizer51, no
Jan 21 23:15:31 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm
Jan 21 23:16:43 <daniele_athome> but never investigated very much...
Jan 21 23:18:18 <DocScrutinizer51> well pppd freezing the whole framework on connection teardown is the only verified cause for framework freezes I know of
Jan 21 23:19:08 <DocScrutinizer51> though I bet there are dozens of other reasons for it to hang
Jan 21 23:19:13 <daniele_athome> eheh :)
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