**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 12 02:59:56 2010 Feb 12 04:59:38 larsc: Hi.... Feb 12 05:01:51 PaulFertser: Hi... Feb 12 06:07:16 DocScrutinizer: Hi Feb 12 06:07:56 The SPI signals on Debug board J11 are came from glamo3362 or s3c2442 ? Feb 12 06:08:47 OR do we have any mux that can take out both based on selection ? Feb 12 06:12:07 S3C SoC. No. See http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf and http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/debug_board/OpenMoKo_Debug_Board_V3_MP.pdf Feb 12 06:16:16 TAsn: hehe nice :P Feb 12 06:18:17 moinmoin mrM Feb 12 06:19:47 DocScrutinizer: the debug board schematic has ss0 on SPI signals with HTP4715,6,7,8 and ss0 on S3C don't have any number......how these two are related in schematic... Feb 12 06:21:03 eeerr hu? Feb 12 06:27:27 sync serial I guess Feb 12 06:27:28 ssp Feb 12 06:27:53 hardware test point? Feb 12 06:28:23 that probably depends on pinmux Feb 12 06:28:49 jtag can't be muxed? Feb 12 06:33:14 DocScrutinizer: moin Feb 12 06:34:03 sorry I really can't make any sense of satish (away) and tmzt Q and comments Feb 12 06:36:26 hmm Feb 12 06:36:42 he seems to be asking if there are glamo test points Feb 12 06:36:50 broken out Feb 12 06:37:26 I don't see that Feb 12 06:38:15 read what he wrote Feb 12 06:38:18 ah there he is Feb 12 06:38:27 he's trying to hook up a coprocessor to SPI0 Feb 12 06:38:53 do you guess I have a robot to do hat for me? Feb 12 06:38:58 DocScrutinizer: tmzt : hi....i lost connection to server for few minutes Feb 12 06:40:29 satish: your last question doesn't make sense to me. please rephrase Feb 12 06:40:35 yeah me Feb 12 06:40:51 I guess that ss0 is synchronous serial port (ssp) 0 Feb 12 06:41:00 and htp is hardware test point Feb 12 06:41:17 tmzt: SS0 is SlaveSelect0 for SPI0 Feb 12 06:42:28 DocScrutinizer: The Slave select 0 on debug board J11 ....is connected to S3C ss0 ...as u explained...i asked how u make out from schematics ...as i didn't get the connection point Feb 12 06:42:58 err the connection is the FPC Feb 12 06:43:31 DocScrutinizer: i didn't find no mark between these two on schematics ....how did u make out ? Feb 12 06:43:35 con4702 on FR to CN1 on debubo Feb 12 06:43:57 DocScrutinizer: ok...let me check once Feb 12 06:50:17 aaah a clear question :-) Feb 12 06:51:03 tmzt: no, JTAG can't have secondary function, as you wouldn't have to test this secondary function via JTAG then Feb 12 06:52:45 tmzt: in fact if you switched JTAG to a virtual secondary function, you'd kill JTAG and that's not how JTAG is supposed to be used Feb 12 06:56:57 DocScrutinizer: i see CON4702 on debug board 47XX location on page 7 of Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf Feb 12 06:57:17 DocScrutinizer: but on page number 3 MCU LOCATION 15XX...with SS0 ....don't have any relation ... Feb 12 06:58:12 DocScrutinizer: how can u confirm it is S3C SS0 that brought to debug board ? Feb 12 06:58:37 I don't reproduce your problem here Feb 12 07:03:57 on FREERUNNER(!) schematics, SS0 has an offsheet symbol on p.7, just between EINT3 and SPI_MOSI0. When you click on this offsheet symbol or press ctrl-F and enter SS0 to searchmask, you'll eventually and on p.2 where NSS0 (U1501:AB15) goes to same offsheet symbol upper left corner 4th of the 2nd group, directly under SPI_MISO0 Feb 12 07:04:45 DocScrutinizer: ok... Feb 12 07:04:57 ok, that's 0.1 hour. I'll send the bill to whom exactly? Feb 12 07:05:30 DocScrutinizer: :) Feb 12 07:08:22 sorry, s/p.2/p.3/ Feb 12 07:39:26 TAsn: mrmoku: with latest image (built here) I don't see any icon for phoneui-* apps and it doesn't start :/ Feb 12 07:50:35 JaMa: hmm... phoneui-apps are probably not autorev? Feb 12 07:51:10 mrmoku: they are.. Feb 12 07:51:28 what version of phoneui-apps is that (git) Feb 12 07:51:40 mrmoku: I had d2bcebd6bdf497877e338d09aae4405d43b39302 Feb 12 07:52:12 that would be correct Feb 12 07:52:14 which looks like HEAD Feb 12 07:52:55 JaMa: and you have no icons for them? that is strange :/ Feb 12 07:53:41 I can recheck tomorrow.. but yesterday I reflashed experimental again and all apps except phoneui* had icons Feb 12 07:53:58 mrmoku: btw illume2 has now bigger buttons by default, and looks better Feb 12 07:54:11 time to retry :-) Feb 12 07:54:32 not sure if it's related to not-starting issue, but I also had this commit http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=phoneuid.git;a=commit;h=d6960ca0e8a1750afae10c7fbeddc06f36ff2e26 Feb 12 07:55:55 JaMa: not related... as it's only for dbus activation... and phoneuid is started via xsession Feb 12 07:56:18 JaMa: you can try to start something manually via mdbus Feb 12 07:56:25 to see if it's phoneuid's fault Feb 12 07:56:52 mrmoku: with that Display method on phoneui-app? Feb 12 07:57:03 ahh Feb 12 07:57:06 mrmoku: I tried but no idea what should be parameter for Display Feb 12 07:57:16 yes, but you can't because of mdbus not supporting a{sv] Feb 12 07:57:20 :/ Feb 12 07:57:42 JaMa: that can be NULL... which you can't provide with mdbus Feb 12 07:57:54 maybe dbus-send does that... Feb 12 07:58:02 ah ok.. Feb 12 07:58:40 btw only log entry was warning about missing /usr/share/libphoneui/shr/config or some file like this Feb 12 07:59:06 sorry I don't have neo up and running now.. to show exact message Feb 12 07:59:22 yes, know that (harmless) warning Feb 12 07:59:32 mmh, just tried to merge shr/unstable into shr/testing2009 Feb 12 07:59:34 should probably just be a normal info Feb 12 07:59:47 but this gives horribly many conflicts, even for files I have never touched Feb 12 08:00:04 it's not supposed to give problems, right? Feb 12 08:00:38 at least not many. I can reset shr/testing2009 to be shr/unstable but that's a non-fast-forward change Feb 12 08:01:05 or should I start shr/testing2010 base on current shr/unstable? Feb 12 08:01:24 and declare shr/testing2009 to be the new "stable" ? Feb 12 08:14:35 * spaetz decides to start shr/testing2010 and keep old shr/testing2009 unchanged Feb 12 08:34:52 * mrmoku thinks spaetz did a wise decision :) Feb 12 08:37:16 :) Feb 12 08:37:32 but it will require you to change 2 bytes in our Makefile :) Feb 12 08:38:10 is GSM working again? Feb 12 08:38:17 compiling new shr-test candidate now. Feb 12 08:38:32 mrmoku: if you could s/2009/2010/ in the Makefile at some time that would be nice Feb 12 08:38:44 not urgent, but the branch exists already :) Feb 12 08:38:51 bbl Feb 12 08:42:47 spaetz: done Feb 12 08:42:59 SHR: 03mok 07shr-makefile * r7763d65f7d3a 10/Makefile: Makefile: switch testing branch to shr/testing2010 Feb 12 08:49:50 mrmoku: still waiting for small PV bump for ffalarms move? (svn->git) Feb 12 08:56:14 JaMa: yeah, Lukas is working on an update :P Feb 12 08:57:53 thanks Feb 12 09:38:52 ynezz: is this bug still active on gta01? http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/669 Feb 12 10:04:38 Hi! I'm a newbie at compiling an OM distro, and have trouble building SHR, due to the /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr issue. The workaround (touch .../sanity.conf) does not work. Feb 12 10:05:01 If I do this and run 'make' again, it stumbles across the same error. Feb 12 10:09:28 you can as root echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr, but you do this at your own risk Feb 12 10:16:15 Yes... This is what I want to avoid. I'm looking for other ways to build the image. Feb 12 10:17:16 FWIW, I hope that the qemu folks managed to adapt to the new situation in the meantime - the bug has been out there for quite some time already. Feb 12 10:21:11 brokencycle: yes that's already fixed in newer qemu Feb 12 10:21:36 Ok, so how do I get the build to succeed/work around the broken sanity check, please? Feb 12 10:21:38 not available in oe.dev yet.. but qemu from host works ok with ASSUME_PROVIDED Feb 12 10:22:01 brokencycle: remove that check and make sure, you're using qemu new enough Feb 12 10:22:35 ASSUME_PROVIDED += "qemu-native" in local.conf Feb 12 10:23:03 and new qemu installed on host ie 1.12.4 Feb 12 10:24:06 and right targets build for qemu: qemu_softmmu_targets_arm qemu_user_targets_arm qemu_user_targets_armeb Feb 12 10:27:52 Heinervdm: I can check this during weekend, I don't have neo here Feb 12 10:30:49 Ok, please report the result in taht ticket, thx Feb 12 10:51:56 mrmoku, Heinervdm, TAsn: image with less modules built, trac wiki page updated with list, if you all agree I'll commit that change to oe.dev Feb 12 10:52:05 and sync images :) Feb 12 10:53:47 JaMa: do we really need x-tables? Feb 12 10:54:26 JaMa: I'm fine even without looking :) Feb 12 10:55:01 and sunrpc? SUN remote procedure calls ? Feb 12 10:56:32 Heinervdm: we have nfs in distro_features.. I guess that's why is sunrpc pulled Feb 12 10:56:44 and I've added s3cmci just now.. Feb 12 10:56:50 ok Feb 12 10:57:25 what for is slhc used? Feb 12 10:57:32 Ok... so I can not skip the qemu stuff? Feb 12 10:57:37 do we have such an networkcard? Feb 12 10:58:31 Heinervdm: and tables are pulled because we have iptables package in task-shr-minimal Feb 12 10:58:33 and pegasus: Pegasus/Pegasus II USB Ethernet driver Feb 12 10:59:39 Heinervdm: that's part of task-base-usbhost Feb 12 11:00:06 as well as that usbserial which I guess depends on slhc Feb 12 11:01:58 Heinervdm: we can remove usbhost from features and purge modules list more if we can expect that users are clever enought to install them later Feb 12 11:02:19 brokencycle: you can disable binary-locale generation Feb 12 11:02:45 brokencycle: but then generate them on neo will be worse.. and you have to remove binary locales from image dependencies.. Feb 12 11:03:22 Ok... looks like I'll have to do a lot of homework before I can really attempt to generate my own images. :| Feb 12 11:03:42 Thank you for your assistance! Feb 12 11:04:03 -DISTRO_FEATURES = "nfs smbfs wifi ppp alsa ext2 vfat bluetooth pcmcia usbgadget usbhost pci" Feb 12 11:04:06 +DISTRO_FEATURES = "wifi ppp alsa ext2 vfat bluetooth usbgadget" Feb 12 11:04:31 do we need pci, pcmcia, nfs, smbfs? Feb 12 11:04:50 why ppp? :p Feb 12 11:05:31 don't know about pci and pcmcia Feb 12 11:05:44 but i think we can drop smbfs and nfs Feb 12 11:05:48 isn't ppp used for data connection? Feb 12 11:06:01 Heinervdm: pci just adds pciutils (which I never used on neo) Feb 12 11:06:41 ok Feb 12 11:06:52 then drop that too Feb 12 11:06:58 what does pcmcia add? Feb 12 11:07:48 kernel-module-pcmcia \ Feb 12 11:07:49 kernel-module-airo-cs \ Feb 12 11:07:49 kernel-module-pcnet-cs \ Feb 12 11:07:49 kernel-module-serial-cs \ Feb 12 11:07:49 kernel-module-ide-cs \ Feb 12 11:07:51 kernel-module-ide-disk \ Feb 12 11:08:10 hmm Feb 12 11:08:30 Heinervdm: those were'nt actually used because they are not in MACHINE_FEATURES Feb 12 11:08:45 Heinervdm: and task-base needs the feaure in both MACHINE and DISTRO Feb 12 11:08:50 for this Feb 12 11:09:03 so we can drop that too Feb 12 11:10:08 Heinervdm: or let them there for someone building shr for x86 :) Feb 12 11:10:33 but it nfs and smbfs is used only based on DISTRO_FEATURES Feb 12 11:10:34 :) Feb 12 11:10:39 s/it /ie / Feb 12 11:10:39 JaMa meant: but ie nfs and smbfs is used only based on DISTRO_FEATURES Feb 12 11:12:02 if someone wants to use nfs or smbfs he can install those packages Feb 12 11:12:13 but it's not normal use for a phone Feb 12 11:12:27 so it shouldn't be in default image Feb 12 11:13:29 * JaMa is thinking if RRECOMMENDS was always installed in rootfs by default :/ Feb 12 11:13:47 because those modules are all only in RRECOMMENDS Feb 12 11:14:38 opkg doesn't let the usere choose what it should do with recommends, so it just installs them Feb 12 11:16:27 only rsuggests aren't installed i thino Feb 12 11:17:34 Heinervdm: I mean while doing do_rootfs (not so much from user perspective..) Feb 12 11:17:52 opkg-native is the same as opkg Feb 12 11:18:20 so it does the same: just install recommends Feb 12 11:18:34 I know it's the same, but there really is no way to tell that recommended shouldn't be installed by default? Feb 12 11:18:46 i don Feb 12 11:18:49 't think so Feb 12 11:19:57 ok Feb 12 11:22:08 opkg_message (conf, OPKG_NOTICE, "%s: ignoring recommendation for %s at user request\n", Feb 12 11:22:13 http://www.google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en#JeCYVlle6Bg/trunk/libopkg/pkg_depends.c&q=recommend%20package:http://opkg%5C.googlecode%5C.com&sa=N&cd=3&ct=rc Feb 12 11:23:42 but I don't see easy way :) Feb 12 11:24:08 :) Feb 12 11:29:47 TAsn: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/715 that's solved, isn't it? Feb 12 11:33:25 Heinervdm, yeah, updated it, thanks :P Feb 12 11:33:53 JaMa, also added info about the meta packages? (to the wiki page) I think you should build them and close the ticket. Feb 12 11:35:12 JaMa, Feb 12 11:35:21 kernel-module-snd-pcm-oss <--- not needed Feb 12 11:38:12 JaMa, and your list doesn't include kernel-module-s3cmci Feb 12 11:39:03 and kernel-module-pl2303 Feb 12 11:39:41 TAsn: mind if i ask, why is kernel-module-snd-pcm-oss not needed? Feb 12 11:40:01 feitingen, do you use oss? Feb 12 11:40:17 sometimes, yes Feb 12 11:40:26 feitingen, I think you use also oss emulation Feb 12 11:40:30 and not oss Feb 12 11:40:44 We ship by default with alsa, if you want you can always remove it and install oss Feb 12 11:41:06 cool Feb 12 11:41:06 but it's like asking an ubuntu maintainer why he doesn't ship with KDE in the default install (not quite the same, but ok) Feb 12 11:41:30 feitingen, I'm not an expert, but that's what I think. Feb 12 11:41:54 i'm trying to build shr myself anyways so it will fit my needs :) Feb 12 11:42:49 and on the phone, yes, i use alsa oss emulation, but i like using oss on some of my older machines Feb 12 11:42:56 :) Feb 12 11:44:03 feitingen, okie :) Feb 12 11:44:08 JaMa, edited the wiki page. Feb 12 11:46:58 mrmoku|away: TAsn: i think that is easy to solve, or is it already solved? http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/717 Feb 12 11:48:17 Heinervdm, easy to solve Feb 12 11:48:21 not solved yet (iirc) Feb 12 11:48:56 ok, if you have 5 minutes, you can solve it ;) Feb 12 11:49:08 but I don't :P Feb 12 11:49:19 I should really study for my exam on monday Feb 12 11:49:25 ok Feb 12 11:49:28 and after I finish studying I should work on opimd Feb 12 11:49:29 :P Feb 12 11:49:31 that's reason Feb 12 12:16:48 JaMa: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/835 can we say that this is solved? Feb 12 12:18:31 Heinervdm, it's great you are cleaning trac, I also tried cleaning a bit yesterday night Feb 12 12:18:36 it's so important :) Feb 12 12:18:57 I don't like to have more then 200 tickets ;) Feb 12 12:27:41 hmm, i'm spamming my own mailbox ;) Feb 12 12:41:25 Heinervdm: i guess so.. qi-ubi is built Feb 12 12:41:34 ok Feb 12 12:41:50 Heinervdm: ubi is not as stable as jffs2 but I guess nobody will solve it except upstream :) Feb 12 12:42:10 201 tickets Feb 12 12:42:32 hello guys Feb 12 12:42:37 I have a segv with libdbus Feb 12 12:42:46 JaMa: can you apply http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/665/ ? then we have only 200 :) Feb 12 12:43:32 using ogsmd, method Network.GetStatus; if I try to get a property from the hashtable (registration key in my case) it will segv Feb 12 12:43:44 on the g_hash_table_lookup() method Feb 12 12:43:48 shr team, could you add ssl certficates to fead? Feb 12 12:44:21 TAsn: why do we need usbserial? and pl2303? Feb 12 12:44:36 I dont know which package, but will be nice if ventura open gmail Feb 12 12:44:42 they are used to connect many usb devices Feb 12 12:44:43 don't they? Feb 12 12:45:22 max_posedon1: there should be ssl certs from curl Feb 12 12:46:04 TAsn: is it used for gps communication? Feb 12 12:46:35 TAsn: updated list on wiki Feb 12 12:47:22 pl2303 = I got it loaded right here Feb 12 12:47:27 so I guess it's important Feb 12 12:47:43 and usbserial is used for serial devices on usb, isn't it? Feb 12 12:47:59 Heinervdm: aplied.. Feb 12 12:48:19 oh Feb 12 12:49:02 I was wrong, I don't have pl2303 Feb 12 12:49:19 someone wrote in the list that it's important for usb devices Feb 12 12:49:35 and since our coolest feature is usb-host I assumed it's important. Feb 12 12:49:59 but then the user can install it Feb 12 12:50:21 Heinervdm, but supporting everything on usb is something you want out of the box Feb 12 12:50:31 or at least that's what I think. Feb 12 12:50:46 Heinervdm, it's like saying a user that uses gps can go ahead and install it's driver on his own Feb 12 12:50:55 * JaMa removed usbhost from features about hour ago.. Feb 12 12:51:19 JaMa, anyhow, I'm looking forward to see how it's going (I hate the fact that I have 300+ modules) Feb 12 12:51:21 :) Feb 12 12:51:24 JaMa, (usbhost) huh? Feb 12 12:51:48 12:03:33 < JaMa> -DISTRO_FEATURES = "nfs smbfs wifi ppp alsa ext2 vfat bluetooth pcmcia usbgadget usbhost pci" Feb 12 12:51:51 12:03:33 < JaMa> +DISTRO_FEATURES = "wifi ppp alsa ext2 vfat bluetooth usbgadget" Feb 12 12:52:02 what's DISTRO_FEATURES ? Feb 12 12:52:17 read log Feb 12 12:52:19 Heinervdm, curl and libcurl installed, /etc/ssl not present Feb 12 12:52:39 max_posedon1: there should be a curl-certs package Feb 12 12:52:41 or task-base.bb Feb 12 12:53:21 JaMa, you removed them from DISTRO_FEATURES but added to MACHINE_FEATURES. right? Feb 12 12:53:26 (just making sure) Feb 12 12:53:35 so should I add usbhost back? Feb 12 12:53:42 yeah. Feb 12 12:53:43 and wifi Feb 12 12:53:44 :P Feb 12 12:53:53 nvm Feb 12 12:53:54 wifi is there Feb 12 12:53:55 :P Feb 12 12:54:02 TAsn: for modules to be installed some features needs to be in both (MACHINE and DISTRO) Feb 12 12:54:11 i c Feb 12 12:54:16 so yeah Feb 12 12:54:18 add it back Feb 12 12:54:24 there is a usb mode switch in shr-settings, so usbhost should be avaible Feb 12 12:54:34 Heinervdm, mine opkg list doesnt know this, what about your? Feb 12 12:54:38 so I added bluetooth and removed usbhost and other stuff, ok.. Feb 12 12:56:52 max_posedon1: hmm it seems that it's not included Feb 12 12:58:10 pls fix it, or I'll open ticket at everning(not early) Feb 12 13:04:17 Heinervdm: please send that eglibc patch also to oe-devel, as some reported /bin/sh is good enough for ldd, maybe we should change that, instead of new RDEPEND.. Feb 12 13:04:32 ok Feb 12 13:05:25 TAsn, Heinervdm: why do we have iptables in task-shr-minimal? I would drop it there, move to feeds as I guess not many shr users is using that by default Feb 12 13:05:51 or at least to full image Feb 12 13:05:51 JaMa, I bet many don't Feb 12 13:05:57 I guess the correct thing Feb 12 13:06:07 would be dropping it, until there's a graphic util to manage it Feb 12 13:06:13 and then add it as a dep to that Feb 12 13:06:20 hehe ;) Feb 12 13:06:26 don't you agree? Feb 12 13:06:55 Btw guys Feb 12 13:06:59 illume2 is there Feb 12 13:07:01 (mostly) Feb 12 13:07:12 we need people to write usable profiles Feb 12 13:07:18 :P Feb 12 13:07:22 and what about tangogps installed in -lite? Feb 12 13:07:48 JaMa, gps is a core feature Feb 12 13:07:52 I think it's ok Feb 12 13:08:34 the question is what is -lite about, should it be a real minimal shr image? Feb 12 13:08:39 well but -lite image should be also for people doesn't want to download lots of app, but just install whatever they like Feb 12 13:08:52 perhaps we should add an -medium image :) Feb 12 13:08:55 JaMa, ok, so maybe you can strip it Feb 12 13:09:22 I think that size diff between -lite and -full is now so small that it's not worth building both :) Feb 12 13:09:29 medium should have gps, webbrowser Feb 12 13:09:32 maybe :P Feb 12 13:10:09 lite should just have shr-apps + ffalarms + terminal Feb 12 13:10:20 50MB and 73MB for tar.gz Feb 12 13:10:29 that's a 50% Feb 12 13:10:30 diff Feb 12 13:10:32 that's a lot Feb 12 13:11:33 !logs Feb 12 13:11:34 Channel logs for #openmoko-cdevel are archived at: Feb 12 13:11:35 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko-cdevel Feb 12 13:11:36 Live-logs are available at Feb 12 13:11:37 yes but still too much for gta01 :/ Feb 12 13:11:37 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko-cdevel.livelog Feb 12 13:11:39 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Feb 12 13:12:03 TAsn: if we strip 10MB from -lite than it hopefully can be installed on gta01 Feb 12 13:12:38 JaMa, we are still too big?! Feb 12 13:12:55 so what about dropping calc + tangogps Feb 12 13:12:59 moin, is there a mirror for livelogs? Feb 12 13:13:09 ~log Feb 12 13:13:11 well, log is http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/ for #openmoko-cdevel only. Maybe you meant "~logs" ? Feb 12 13:13:12 ~logs Feb 12 13:13:15 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Feb 12 13:13:38 Heinervdm, those aren't livelogs afaik Feb 12 13:13:42 nslu2-log: logs Feb 12 13:13:52 hmm what is "${@get_rdepends(bb, d)} \" in task-shr-minimal-x? Feb 12 13:14:10 Heinervdm, oh nice livelog, ma bad... Feb 12 13:14:12 JesusMcCloud: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt Feb 12 13:14:31 Heinervdm: can we install mdbus2 instead of mdbus by default? in -lite? Feb 12 13:14:37 JaMa: no Feb 12 13:14:49 mdbus2 is not finished Feb 12 13:14:58 it's not really useable Feb 12 13:15:35 ok Feb 12 13:15:49 libmokoui2 is needed to be pulled from task? :/ Feb 12 13:16:52 glibc-utils \ Feb 12 13:16:52 glibc-charmap-utf-8 \ Feb 12 13:16:54 i think there was a problem that it wasn't pulled properly be the pacakge Feb 12 13:16:55 JaMa, libmokoui2 is broken Feb 12 13:16:56 drop it Feb 12 13:16:57 SHR: 03tom 07illume-keyboards * r8d08cff1b4ef 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Removed the unused keys icons and changed the home/end keys from icons to text Feb 12 13:17:17 Heinervdm: and that package is still in -lite image? Feb 12 13:17:38 don't know Feb 12 13:18:18 drop it Feb 12 13:18:37 there is so much stuff in minimal :/ Feb 12 13:19:04 whoever needs rsync/screen is able to install them manually or flash full image Feb 12 13:19:58 or maybe I dont understand the word minimal :) Feb 12 13:21:05 sftp, fbset maybe even mdbus mickeyterm can be installed later, don't they? Feb 12 13:23:03 hmm building more minimal -lite locally to see how much I can safe without few apps Feb 12 13:23:11 and now back to work Feb 12 13:23:15 ok Feb 12 13:23:46 pity that installed-packages-sizes.txt cannot be listed with all additional dependencies.. Feb 12 13:24:23 I meen to easily see that some few kb package is pulling 1mb dependencies just because of this 1 package Feb 12 13:27:18 nice would be dependency tree with edges noted with sum of sizes bellow them Feb 12 13:27:35 :) Feb 12 13:31:02 btw my -full image has 109MB :) Feb 12 13:31:21 and also homescreen in illume2 full of medium sized icons :) Feb 12 13:47:31 with purged images we got only about 2MB smaller -full image Feb 12 13:47:41 s/purged images/purged modules/ Feb 12 13:47:41 JaMa meant: with purged modules we got only about 2MB smaller -full image Feb 12 13:48:28 but that means we will get a 2 MB smaller lite image too Feb 12 13:48:47 yes and about 4MB for jffs2 Feb 12 13:48:55 2MB in tar.gz or 2MB jffs2? Feb 12 13:48:58 but still I hoped a bit more Feb 12 13:49:03 2MB was for tar.gz Feb 12 13:49:34 lets see how much will change the stuff I moved from task-shr-minimal to task-shr Feb 12 13:49:51 it can be enough Feb 12 13:50:21 btw task-fonts-truetype-core is imho quite big.. Feb 12 13:50:29 and we have it in shr-image.inc thus for both Feb 12 13:51:34 3 dejavu packages + fontconfig-utils Feb 12 13:51:48 but we need a font Feb 12 13:52:22 ttf-dejavu-common \ Feb 12 13:52:22 ttf-dejavu-sans \ Feb 12 13:52:29 ups not this paste Feb 12 13:52:37 1292KiB /all/ttf-dejavu-sans_2.23-r2.4_all.ipk Feb 12 13:52:44 604KiB /all/ttf-dejavu-sans-mono_2.23-r2.4_all.ipk Feb 12 13:54:18 http://gitorious.org/~jama/openembedded/jama-shr-experimental/commit/2a30658e0cbf24c05c131e045fc3c3465cd2cee3 Feb 12 13:55:32 we're still a bit bigger than shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20091128-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 was :/ Feb 12 13:56:06 what changed since then? Feb 12 13:56:13 illume2? Feb 12 13:56:36 and more fso2 stuff Feb 12 13:57:02 but it was slowly growing so cannot say without comparing all installed-packages-sizes Feb 12 13:57:11 when we drop opimd we can drop python too ;) Feb 12 13:57:22 and ogsmd :) Feb 12 13:57:37 then we can safe half nand and 3/4 cpu :) Feb 12 13:57:44 yes, but in fsogsmd is not that much missing Feb 12 13:58:16 So that should be our goal: drop python Feb 12 13:59:20 images without lots of modules already on buildhost.. I guess you can close those 2 bugs Feb 12 13:59:45 1 is already closed Feb 12 13:59:55 or someone should test that image :) Feb 12 14:00:12 but there will be even less modules after I push and rebuild that iptables moved from -lite Feb 12 14:00:57 now I have to release something at work.. Feb 12 14:24:46 hehe seems like only package pulling etk to image is etk_theme_shr :) Feb 12 14:25:49 even to my FAT image.. Feb 12 14:26:04 :) Feb 12 14:26:20 392 KiB /armv4t/etk-theme-shr_1.1.1-46073+gitr0+1cc80e26a4558dfc2268b349d9a1f468e515bcfb-r2.4_armv4t.ipk Feb 12 15:13:24 I have two GTA02's here which won't charge Feb 12 15:13:46 They wen't very flat and even taking the batt out and holding button in for 15 seconds doesn't get anything to happen Feb 12 15:13:52 is there a secret to making it go? Feb 12 15:20:32 Heinervdm: will take care of the GPRS icon... Feb 12 15:20:42 ok Feb 12 15:23:48 no-one know anything about very-flat batteries? Feb 12 15:25:32 behold! 49M úno 12 16:20 shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20100212-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz Feb 12 15:25:56 yay :) Feb 12 15:26:34 another 3 MB down, but I don't build jffs2 locally.. Feb 12 15:26:59 aha, found it on the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery Feb 12 15:28:26 ubifs on gta01 is really strange.. mkfs.ubifs always fails with "Error: max_leb_cnt too low (5101 needed)" and if I increase that param to 5101 it fails with higher requrement Feb 12 15:29:32 actually it's from "*** glibc detected *** mkfs.ubifs: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x000000000060d0c0 ***" so maybe the error message is some bogus output after fail Feb 12 15:29:53 unexpected exceptional exception number 66 Feb 12 15:39:01 moin Feb 12 16:06:24 llo all Feb 12 16:07:34 didn't vncviewer used to be in the shr repos? Feb 12 16:08:03 mrmoku, opimd: I studied it a bit, and I'm familiar with it's structure, I managed to hack some stuff and do a couple of PoC's for myself to work with (which is good). I now need to think about a correct db structure, and I can't find one atm, I'm still thinking about it :P I think I'll only be able to continue the work after my test on monday :P Feb 12 16:08:05 *exam Feb 12 16:09:34