**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 25 02:59:58 2010 Feb 25 08:34:29 I have a 300 euro htc dream and it fails to copy contacts from phone to sim... Feb 25 08:34:32 0_o Feb 25 08:56:59 gooooood morning to you all Feb 25 09:07:51 vegyraupe: hi :) Feb 25 11:09:22 wow Feb 25 11:09:26 shr is fantastic! Feb 25 11:10:44 graziano: what were you running before? Feb 25 11:16:22 I own an htc dream with android 1.6 + cyanogenmod rom Feb 25 11:16:47 I saw shr only when I tested the development port gnutoo and others are working on the htc drema Feb 25 11:17:07 now I own a freerunner and using an shr testing Feb 25 11:17:18 an A7+ model Feb 25 11:17:57 wonderful, I can make and get calls, send and receive sms, browsing with ventura Feb 25 11:18:06 I find it quite stable for normal usage Feb 25 11:32:32 graziano: what do you found the most appealing comparing to your android experience? Feb 25 11:51:56 Hi all Feb 25 12:12:19 PaulFertser: well first of all SHR is mostly GPL afaik while android userland is mostly apache 2.0 licensed so I prefer the first. When I first saw SHR it was in a bad state and looking android I said: "we're not there yet, too much work to do " Feb 25 12:12:37 my actual experience instead is awesome Feb 25 12:12:56 sigh, mesa-dri compile failed Feb 25 12:13:05 yes there are things to work on imho but I thought it was worst than this Feb 25 12:13:11 How am I supposed to ever finish building an shr-testing candidate? Feb 25 12:13:56 I started my personal page in the wiki. Today I switched on the HTC Dream with android and freerunner with shr testing and tried to accomplish some tasks with both phones Feb 25 12:14:29 I wrote my feelings about what I discovered and what could be improved in my personal page Feb 25 12:14:55 I am not a developer so they may be stupid or wrong or inappropriate but that is what me as a normal user would like to suggest Feb 25 12:15:37 if someone wish to take a look and edit my page to fill in what's missing or why a thing can't be done, or how it's been working, etc. Feb 25 12:15:52 I welcome everybody here to edit and brainstorm: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Graziano Feb 25 12:19:06 graziano: just one point "ventura browser, calendar, email music, vocal recorder apps preinstalled" this is IMHO stuff for full image Feb 25 12:19:47 JaMa: I know full image has some of them but I think that at least a calendar and browser should be on the lite Feb 25 12:20:03 but ok, that was not the most important item Feb 25 12:20:22 graziano: webkit is too big for the lite image Feb 25 12:20:37 graziano: that's at least how I divide -lite and -full (-lite is really minimal stuff allowing to call/sms as there is just one preferred app for that, and then you install your favorite browser,navigation,calendar,...) Feb 25 12:21:07 or -full which takes a bit longer to install but contains collection of "good" apps Feb 25 12:21:16 spaetz: on shr buildhost? Feb 25 12:22:20 spaetz: I know it fails for gta01 (where it shouldn't be built actually, but is) Feb 25 12:22:21 no, locally Feb 25 12:22:31 show me log Feb 25 12:22:35 I just merged in shr/unstable and retry from scratch.... Feb 25 12:22:46 just curious, I read that we had firefox mobile in the past, it was not chosen as browser in the full image because it's no longer maintained or there were other reasons? Feb 25 12:23:26 graziano: iirc because there is some >armv4 asm code, ask Heinervdm Feb 25 12:23:27 graziano: fennec contains armv5t only asm code, afaik Feb 25 12:24:12 spaetz: sorry you are talking to a newbie, are you saying it was built for a different arm architecture/variant than the one used in the freerunner? Feb 25 12:24:36 graziano: np, I am no computer scientist either :-). Feb 25 12:25:03 graziano: yes.. not just built but those asm instruction are in source Feb 25 12:25:08 fennec contains assembler code in order to optimize stuff. And that assembler code uses features that are not available in the armv4 version of our CPU Feb 25 12:26:09 does it function without them? Feb 25 12:26:28 as far as I know not Feb 25 12:26:39 but I never looked at fennec code Feb 25 12:27:12 the GNU IceCat maintainer is a friend of mine, maybe he could investigate this Feb 25 12:28:00 don't know if he knows arm stuff too but it's worth asking Feb 25 12:29:14 graziano: fennec worked in the past, but then mozilla changed their code Feb 25 12:29:26 i don't think that it would be an easy patch Feb 25 12:29:57 you problable have to rewrite complete parts of fennec... Feb 25 12:30:22 maybe it's doable for some armv4 asm guru or at least arm asm guru Feb 25 12:30:47 but probably already considered not worth it Feb 25 12:30:59 is midori enlightemenet default browser Feb 25 12:31:02 ? Feb 25 12:31:09 i think the did it in asm because it was dame slow before Feb 25 12:31:36 graziano: no, midori is a gtk browser Feb 25 12:31:51 let me look for what EL use Feb 25 12:32:31 Heinervdm: I mean, that they maybe write it in armv5 asm because it was easier or faster for them or the original author has more knowledge about armv5 then armv4 Feb 25 12:38:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * rdbdd7ce6de60 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Feb 25 12:38:50 freesmartphone.org: Revamp configuration and logging Feb 25 12:38:50 freesmartphone.org: /etc/abyss.conf is no longer; standard FSO configuration paths are searched instead. Feb 25 12:38:50 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: configuration sections have been changed completely, library users need to catch up. Feb 25 12:42:26 JaMa: but i think that even if it compiles for armv4 it would be to slow, the versions we had running were so slow that they weren't useable Feb 25 12:42:34 so i think it would be waste of time Feb 25 12:42:55 I see Feb 25 12:43:50 apart from apps considerations, any other thoughts about what I wrote in that page? Feb 25 12:43:58 (feel free to edit) Feb 25 12:44:12 Heinervdm: agreed that we need something more lightweight Feb 25 12:45:12 i think c_c is doing a good job with ventura, and that this will evolve to a great browser soon Feb 25 12:45:20 Heinervdm: I am using fennec on my N810 and it is usable there. Feb 25 12:45:30 But I think that's somewhat faster than the Freerunner Feb 25 12:47:48 spaetz: i think the n810 and n900 are the devices mozilla had in his had while developing fennec, so it would be bad if it has a bad performace on them :) Feb 25 12:48:48 performance is not great on the N810 but OK Feb 25 12:49:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r18aeee329806 10/gsm0710mux/manager.vala: rename options to improve meaning Feb 25 12:50:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r50cf4ff21985 10/fsogsmd/conf/openmoko_gta/fsogsmd.conf: fsogsmd: openmoko_gta: incorporate libgsm0710mux options into configuration file Feb 25 12:57:14 * JaMa happy to see mickey hacking fsogsmd*gta :) Feb 25 12:58:22 * spaetz too :) Feb 25 12:58:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * rb13b3b31975d 10/src/ (consts.vala main.vala server.vala): catch up with changes in libgsm0710mux Feb 25 12:58:41 :) Feb 25 12:58:46 i owe it to you guys Feb 25 12:59:02 although i'd rather hack on the newer things... Feb 25 13:00:59 newer things in code or newer devices? :) Feb 25 13:01:10 devices Feb 25 13:01:12 the later seems like you're rasterized too :) Feb 25 13:01:21 heh Feb 25 13:01:34 but I understand his points Feb 25 13:01:56 oh no. No newer devices. My precciouuss little hockey puck. Feb 25 13:02:02 s/no/not/ Feb 25 13:02:02 spaetz meant: oh not. No newer devices. My precciouuss little hockey puck. Feb 25 13:02:10 arg Feb 25 13:02:18 hehe Feb 25 13:02:57 but seriously, as soon as there is a device that runs SHR jsut as well as the FR, I'll switch Feb 25 13:03:07 it does feel a bit dated by now Feb 25 13:04:26 I did the opposite :) Feb 25 13:08:00 mickey|cafe: much appreciated! :) Feb 25 13:12:18 well I would also switch, but I'm also still using good old spitz with about 1hour battery life.. so maybe not and I'll live with fr forever :) Feb 25 13:13:48 hehe Feb 25 13:16:06 when this year is over we have two semicurrent platforms Feb 25 13:16:16 that should be ok for a couple of years Feb 25 13:16:57 there's no way we can keep the technological edge wrt. hardware, but there's no need to either. just somewhat current will be enough to make a difference software-wise Feb 25 13:25:46 actually, it would be ok to use not on-the-edge hardware as that tends to be more expensive :) Feb 25 13:26:34 right Feb 25 13:26:49 the good thing with the dream and the pre is that they're both relatively wide spread Feb 25 13:26:57 so it makes sense supporting these two in addition to the FR Feb 25 13:34:10 hi all Feb 25 13:34:16 hi Feb 25 13:39:53 hello , is there any pdf learning programming on phone for linux / j2me Feb 25 13:55:28 Heinervdm: go go :) Feb 25 13:56:16 hmm, i signed off with wrong mail address Feb 25 13:56:48 the same as author, isn't it? Feb 25 13:57:06 no, i signed of with another one Feb 25 13:57:06 ah commiter Feb 25 13:57:36 next one will be correct Feb 25 13:58:10 and now i should merge that into shr/unstalbe? Feb 25 13:58:16 yup Feb 25 13:58:24 don't forget to SRCREV->SRCPV Feb 25 13:58:37 git merge master shr/unstable Feb 25 13:59:04 hmm I'm using other syntax.. Feb 25 13:59:14 what do you use? Feb 25 13:59:25 just git checkout shr/unstable; git merge origin/org.openembedded.dev; git push origin shr/unstable Feb 25 13:59:54 ok Feb 25 13:59:55 and between merge and push is ususally conflict to resolve Feb 25 14:00:04 so another git commit -a Feb 25 14:04:11 hmm there wen't sth wrong Feb 25 14:04:30 yup :) a bit Feb 25 14:04:36 when I booted om2008.x I saw an app to choose / download / install apoplications, is there something similar in shr / opkg.org or anywhere else? Feb 25 14:04:53 but it's our branch, so not that bad :) Feb 25 14:05:31 yeah Feb 25 14:06:22 Heinervdm: maybe you want to add jefliks to task-shr-feed Feb 25 14:06:30 Heinervdm: to build it on shr buildhost Feb 25 14:06:43 JaMa: yes, that's missing too :) Feb 25 14:06:54 but that means another merge :D Feb 25 14:07:02 Heinervdm: another try with -s :) Feb 25 14:07:24 Heinervdm: yes.. hopefully bitbake-1.10 will be here soon Feb 25 14:07:25 JaMa: i did git commit -s . Feb 25 14:07:39 perhaps i should try git commit . -s Feb 25 14:07:44 i mean that address will be fixed in oe.dev too Feb 25 14:08:06 less spam for your e-mail :) Feb 25 14:08:26 :) Feb 25 14:08:27 hmm Feb 25 14:08:40 * mickeyl notices there's a load of bogus processes running on SHRU Feb 25 14:09:06 JaMa: have you updated mcnavi to 0.2.5 or was it the version i added? Feb 25 14:09:07 we need to get rid of hal*, apmd, connmand startet unconditionally Feb 25 14:09:25 Heinervdm: IIRC your version Feb 25 14:09:51 mickeyl: hal* removed in xserver-xorg_git.bb (partialy) and it works ok Feb 25 14:09:57 JaMa: ok, then it's still the bad version. Author answered me, that he will fix the INSTALL in next release Feb 25 14:10:06 JaMa: awesome, good start Feb 25 14:10:21 Heinervdm: yeah.. I just replaced that broken link with touch to built it.. Feb 25 14:20:38 Heinervdm: and now another merge with PR bump :) Feb 25 14:21:11 Heinervdm: but I'll rebuild it manualy to safe you few cmd lines.. Feb 25 14:21:27 JaMa: ok :) Feb 25 14:21:59 Heinervdm: that's the disadvantage of task-shr-feed fully buildable :) Feb 25 14:22:20 :D Feb 25 14:22:21 Heinervdm: as long as it always failed on some package.. then bitbake always tried to build all in it :) Feb 25 14:23:05 So we should insert a failing package again ;) Feb 25 14:23:42 mickeyl: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Graziano#Suggestions_for_SHR Feb 25 14:23:52 Heinervdm: hehe Feb 25 14:25:05 graziano: what do you mean by that line? sim app use sim features Feb 25 14:25:49 I should have been more clear, you're right, I mean the app that shows the sim menu Feb 25 14:26:04 the one with horoscope and all that crap :) Feb 25 14:26:12 Settings? Feb 25 14:30:23 mmm Feb 25 14:30:35 I don't know how is it called Feb 25 14:30:50 if you have a nokia phone you have a sim icon that brings you the sim menu Feb 25 14:31:10 it's a list with some mobile operator services such as games ringtones etc. Feb 25 14:31:16 often sent by sms Feb 25 14:31:47 never seen that Feb 25 14:32:12 ahh.. that's some sim-toolkit menu, isn't it? Feb 25 14:33:26 graziano: that SIM applications. Not supported by FSO Feb 25 14:33:54 JaMa: right, SIM application Toolkit, aka SAT Feb 25 14:34:15 ok thanks there it is Feb 25 14:34:26 why it is not supported? Feb 25 14:35:15 it's complex, and most devels agree on we don't want to have to disable it, once FSO has implemented it Feb 25 14:35:33 i.e. nobody likes it Feb 25 14:35:41 ahahaha Feb 25 14:35:42 ok Feb 25 14:35:46 I was just curious Feb 25 14:35:48 as you don't have real control over that crap Feb 25 14:37:59 i would accept a patch Feb 25 14:38:11 but i don't see anyone wanting to invest time in that Feb 25 14:38:16 * DocScrutinizer not :-P Feb 25 14:38:41 no problem, it's all new to me so I need just a bit of information to understand some things Feb 25 14:38:51 I wrote in that page all my questions and doubts Feb 25 14:38:53 I'd accept a patch with a patch to unpatch Feb 25 14:38:57 it's relatively well documented Feb 25 14:39:05 however the actual commands are not standardizes Feb 25 14:39:11 so you need to work with proprietary commands Feb 25 14:39:12 btw I compiled a kernel without spinlock debug,mutex debug etc...and telephony seem to work without timing issues in shr-testing Feb 25 14:39:22 which means you need to write an (fs)ogsmd extensions Feb 25 14:39:23 I rebooted only 2 or 3 times tough Feb 25 14:39:31 GNUtoo: wah, good news Feb 25 14:39:50 should I paste my config somewhere Feb 25 14:40:08 maybe we should keep some debug but mutex and spinlock debug are heavy if I remember well Feb 25 14:41:16 anyway, if I remember well in embedded linux primer in the realtime chapiter they talk about changing spinlocks or mutexes for responsiveness and the associated performance cost Feb 25 14:41:18 mickeyl: I don't see how a patch to fsogsmd could implement that shit. It has to have ability to take over the screen, and nasty things like that Feb 25 14:41:38 ouch....take over the screen....ouch Feb 25 14:41:50 afaik, yes Feb 25 14:41:51 DocScrutinizer: of course, STK is a cross-layer issue Feb 25 14:42:04 it needs at least fsogsmd support Feb 25 14:42:06 why not rw the memory while they are at it Feb 25 14:42:07 and then UI support Feb 25 14:42:10 STK,ooh. thought it's SAT Feb 25 14:42:28 i mean that, ya Feb 25 14:42:40 STK is a bit more simple Feb 25 14:42:44 but needs I/O as well Feb 25 14:42:51 to display the menus and stuff Feb 25 14:42:52 I'm not sure at all Feb 25 14:43:12 yesyes Feb 25 14:43:25 it's nasty evil bad stuff Feb 25 14:45:02 you need to offer the screen to SAT, and you need to warn user if SAT takes an action without taking the screen, then you need to supervise to warn again when it tries to do nasty things like send SMS, or call, or dunno what Feb 25 14:45:09 mere hell Feb 25 14:46:22 ! Feb 25 14:48:03 and even huge security issue, esp if not done übercorrect Feb 25 14:51:41 having basic support ( ie just telling "someone try to use SAT" ) would help to see that something fishy is happenning, even if everything is denied ? Feb 25 14:52:29 sure Feb 25 14:52:34 i'd be interested to see that Feb 25 14:52:49 there's definitely some use for m2mcomm apps Feb 25 14:52:54 that's more like "SAT is trying to use you (or your phone)". Honestly I don't even bother to think about how to implement that shit correctly Feb 25 14:52:56 not necessarily SHR thouugh Feb 25 14:55:32 a friend of mine had a phone that sent a SMS each hour, to get weather o dunno what. She wasn't aware for 6 months, and when I looked into it, I was only able to make it ask each hour if it may send. :-// Feb 25 14:56:01 of course it asn't the phone. It was SAT Feb 25 14:56:52 I know what SAT means....it's the short name for SATAN ? Feb 25 14:57:09 prolly, yeah Feb 25 14:57:55 so, not a single byte of any storage or memory for SAT, on any of my devices I *own* Feb 25 14:59:19 except from special banking crypto apps there's othing SAT can do, and userland couldn't - just better Feb 25 15:04:13 DocScrutinizer: she never forgot to take her umbrella with her, right? :P Feb 25 15:20:29 I was using the keyboard on the FR and it's really small. Are there any plans to have it (or another one) bigger? Feb 25 15:21:32 graziano: try literki Feb 25 15:22:15 it's fullscreen transparent Feb 25 15:22:33 graziano: "the keyboard"? Feb 25 15:23:23 lindi-: yes Feb 25 15:27:59 graziano: you might want to figure out the name of the program :) Feb 25 15:29:28 don't tell me... Feb 25 15:37:44 I think a simple solution would be to have rotation in a way that when the FR is rotated the keyboard goes widescreen Feb 25 15:38:05 (and using the default keyboard without having to replace it) Feb 25 15:38:11 what do you think? Feb 25 15:38:33 nice, if there were not that illume bug that makes the keyboard go bonkers when rotating :) Feb 25 15:39:01 graziano: "the default keyboard" does not really help me much. i guess it is "illume keyboard" Feb 25 15:39:51 lindi-: yes but you are in this channel since a lot of hours and since this morning I am talking about my new freerunner and my shining shr, damn where were you? ;)) Feb 25 15:40:04 graziano: i'm not using shr :) Feb 25 15:40:15 ahahahaha Feb 25 15:44:15 graziano: omnewrotate & literki Feb 25 15:44:20 iirc Feb 25 15:45:36 graziano: you noticed http://opkg.org ? Feb 25 15:45:45 yes I know it came back alive Feb 25 15:46:03 I was just wondering about why some things are not supposed to be default Feb 25 15:46:05 such as rotation Feb 25 15:54:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * raebb7ee10273 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/socket.vala: libfsotransport: socket: mark transport as closed, if we can't open it Feb 25 15:59:19 going home Feb 25 16:00:44 mickeyl: does that help the fsogsmd problem? :) ^^ Feb 25 16:01:39 i'm not sure, suddenly yesterday it started working again for me Feb 25 16:02:06 i guess it would be worth trying, if you have a stack of master of everything FSO Feb 25 16:03:42 vanous123: i fixed your bug at least ;) Feb 25 16:03:55 really? Feb 25 16:04:43 mickeyl: ok, will rebuild and retry then :) Feb 25 16:05:03 mrmoku: is there a way i can test too? Feb 25 16:05:37 mrmoku: i guess it'd be cool, if we had an unstable feed w/ autorev again Feb 25 16:05:46 vanous123: hmm... I'm locally building... can put the packages on the buildhost then Feb 25 16:05:49 can we do that when we mark stable as testing? Feb 25 16:05:55 then testing would be unstable Feb 25 16:06:01 and the next unstable would be autorev Feb 25 16:06:07 * mrmoku confused :P Feb 25 16:06:10 heh, sorry Feb 25 16:06:19 i guess three feeds make sense Feb 25 16:06:21 one stable Feb 25 16:06:25 one testing (with srcrev fixed) Feb 25 16:06:29 one unstable (with autorev) Feb 25 16:06:37 that would be handy for both users and developers Feb 25 16:06:51 yeah... what we are lacking is a stable maintainer Feb 25 16:07:04 but maybe it needs none Feb 25 16:07:50 i think there needs to be one Feb 25 16:08:01 but this has to come from outside the SHR devel team Feb 25 16:08:10 someone who enjoys polishing things Feb 25 16:10:45 and we need to cherrypick fixes from unstable into testing Feb 25 16:12:02 correct Feb 25 16:12:40 which can become difficult :/ Feb 25 16:12:48 yes Feb 25 16:13:21 but it's bad that testing users have to wait months for things fixed in unstable Feb 25 16:15:23 no doubt Feb 25 16:15:51 ok, at least via serial_forward things seem to work again Feb 25 16:16:06 i'm building an image now to check whether it also works on the device Feb 25 16:16:37 hmm Feb 25 16:16:41 ~lart TI CALYPSO Feb 25 16:16:42 * apt whacks TI CALYPSO with the cluebat Feb 25 16:16:44 and don't count on me to invest more effort into shr-t than I currently do Feb 25 16:16:48 because I can't Feb 25 16:16:50 fsogsmd is too fast for the calypso Feb 25 16:17:01 2010-02-25T16:15:42.517398Z [DEBUG] TiCalypsoModem <4C>: Did not receive OK (instead '+CMS ERROR: 314') for FsoGsmPlusCMGL Feb 25 16:17:01 2010-02-25T16:15:42.517416Z [WARN] FsoGsmAtSmsHandler <262031440952253>: Can't synchronize SMS storage with SIM Feb 25 16:17:10 314 is SIM BUSY :) Feb 25 16:17:27 hehe, if calypso sleep(1000) Feb 25 16:17:31 right Feb 25 16:19:14 I agree that it would be nice to have shr-stable and shr-testing but we simply don't have someone interested in maintaining it, it seems Feb 25 16:19:46 yes Feb 25 16:20:08 Heinervdm: congrats to your OE commit access! Feb 25 16:20:12 well Feb 25 16:20:18 :) Feb 25 16:20:19 what about a call for volunteer, explaining what is required, what this maintainer has to do ? Feb 25 16:20:24 lets try to explain that and explicitly ask for one Feb 25 16:20:26 right Feb 25 16:20:45 at least, if no one answer, community will know what is needed Feb 25 16:21:18 mickeyl: given that we have a leadership limbo, there is no one to create a job description/offer for SHR ... Feb 25 16:21:57 well, if it just that, we should be able to collaboratively create such a thing Feb 25 16:21:58 dos1: want to maintain shr-stable? :P Feb 25 16:21:59 but that would be the correct thing to do Feb 25 16:22:30 me and stability? good joke ;D Feb 25 16:22:47 TAsn: you wanted something in python-phoneutils from me, yup? Feb 25 16:23:16 TAsn: now i have some time (and sorry for quite long lag...) Feb 25 16:25:16 what's the function for post install scripts? Feb 25 16:26:58 mickeyl: btw. I introspected ogsmd and fsogsmd into a file and took a look at the diff Feb 25 16:27:26 quite messy, as the params in fsogsmd have names and for ogsmd not Feb 25 16:27:43 argh, bummer, i forgot about that Feb 25 16:28:18 needs some manual work, but I'm going to do that Feb 25 16:29:43 mickeyl: http://tinyurl.com/yg2hrqk Feb 25 16:29:53 mickeyl: hi btw :D Feb 25 16:29:56 mickeyl: and fsogsmd has Device.RealtimeClock - is that correct? Feb 25 16:31:53 mrmoku: yes, that's correct. fsogsmd is a realtimeclock provider Feb 25 16:32:04 vegyraupe: awesome, congrats! Feb 25 16:33:01 mickeyl: thx :) Feb 25 16:34:42 lets hope it sells like sliced bread Feb 25 16:34:55 so you guys got the $$$ to do more connected devices ;) Feb 25 16:35:03 or the home automation stuff we talked about Feb 25 16:36:16 yepp Feb 25 16:38:19 although being somewhat of a nieche, i could imagine people would embrace an open system such as http://www.homematic.com/ Feb 25 16:38:41 (homematic not being open) Feb 25 16:45:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra9e5c84f3203 10/fsogsmd/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: change SIM ready timeout to 30 seconds for default; while the Calypso uses 60 *yawn* Feb 25 16:45:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb3c11b4a753e 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): libfsobasics: remove vala thread support; does not make sense for libraries Feb 25 16:52:00 heh, homematic? Feb 25 16:53:47 yep Feb 25 16:54:26 got the doorlock for almost a year now - plus some other minor stuff Feb 25 16:54:38 dos1, python-phoneutils: nvm ,I rtfm and did it myself :P Feb 25 16:54:45 dos1, what about trac theme though? Feb 25 16:55:00 looked into all kinds of home automation and similar Feb 25 16:55:23 grr Feb 25 16:55:30 actually I considered to apply at homematic Feb 25 16:55:31 Just rode my motorcycle in the craziest strom ever Feb 25 16:55:33 TAsn: nothing new, i still have to write that mail ;x Feb 25 16:55:37 I'm soaking wet Feb 25 16:55:46 dos1, and wizard? (selecting a country?) Feb 25 16:56:48 JaMa, please bump E again :P Feb 25 16:56:51 more fixes Feb 25 16:57:50 actually it's e3 or similar Feb 25 16:58:23 R&D in germany. They are partly open Feb 25 16:58:34 associated to ELV somehow Feb 25 16:58:38 where do they have their HQ? Feb 25 16:58:42 my colleague and me want to write something for them Feb 25 16:58:57 TAsn: hmm :) Feb 25 16:59:07 you ask questions. Bochum? Nah, dunno Feb 25 16:59:29 JaMa, please? :P Feb 25 17:00:26 coward! Feb 25 17:01:07 D-26789 Leer Feb 25 17:01:22 hmmm, wherever that is Feb 25 17:01:45 oah Feb 25 17:01:47 write something for them? Feb 25 17:01:47 ostfriesland Feb 25 17:02:12 we want to develop a kickass app for them Feb 25 17:02:19 since the one they market sucks Feb 25 17:02:25 some 3rd party app Feb 25 17:02:34 I can't imagine they'd want or need anything Feb 25 17:02:45 well Feb 25 17:02:51 their customers do Feb 25 17:03:17 so they might as well ship the app with the system, or come up with a discount, or just for marketing reasons Feb 25 17:03:43 sure, but e3 wants to sell their exagerated expensive central control unit Feb 25 17:03:55 sure Feb 25 17:04:01 the app is not an alternative Feb 25 17:04:05 it's a companion Feb 25 17:04:12 the app needs the ccu Feb 25 17:04:27 there are apps for controlling / interfacing the central unit Feb 25 17:05:04 even platform independant Feb 25 17:05:24 well, i'm refering to the closed platform with the fruit... Feb 25 17:05:32 the other half of my work Feb 25 17:05:35 aah Feb 25 17:05:51 mrmoku: please ping me whenever it builds, i'll be around :) Feb 25 17:05:52 yeah that shit is redmond Feb 25 17:06:35 mickeyl: sry was on the phone doing a survey ... yeah I hope we sell zillion devices as well Feb 25 17:06:43 mickeyl: a bit PR help couldn't hurt ;) Feb 25 17:07:10 i try my very best Feb 25 17:07:17 :) Feb 25 17:07:18 thx Feb 25 17:12:41 vanous123: ok... dinner first though :) (and a rebuild for the incresed sim timeout ;) Feb 25 17:12:47 bbl Feb 25 17:14:42 yeah, i'm done with hacking on it for today Feb 25 17:14:58 keep me posted about your findings Feb 25 17:20:48 TAsn: ok.. later (EFL) Feb 25 17:20:58 thanks :P Feb 25 17:21:05 TAsn: now I'm rebuilding raid array :/ so build would be too slow Feb 25 17:21:12 mickey|bbl: thank you, will let you know Feb 25 17:21:18 he also fixed the ugly keyboard bug :P Feb 25 17:21:53 Heinervdm: btw webkit-efl seems incompatibile with latest EFL, can you please check if there is newer revision of webkit-efl and bump it? Feb 25 17:22:11 JaMa: will look for it Feb 25 17:22:49 [=>...................] recovery = 8.7% (5476992/62685504) finish=21.7min speed=43876K/sec and that's the small one :/ Feb 25 17:23:54 JaMa: no, latest rev is 3a5ee77664c898ed51a2b2d5759822f8c0a06472 Feb 25 17:25:40 Heinervdm: maybe it's easy to fix :) Feb 25 17:25:41 /OE/tmpdir-dev-shr/staging/armv5te-oe-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/Evas.h: At global scope: Feb 25 17:25:44 /OE/tmpdir-dev-shr/staging/armv5te-oe-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/Evas.h:169: error: redefinition of 'struct _Evas_Point' Feb 25 17:25:47 ./WebCore/platform/graphics/IntPoint.h:60: error: previous definition of 'struct _Evas_Point' Feb 25 17:25:50 http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/packages/497042/ Feb 25 17:33:30 JaMa: i'm asking in #webkit-efl lets see if i get an answer Feb 25 18:00:25 hmm, we have no /usr/bin/c_rehash in SHR Feb 25 18:00:58 should be part of openssl Feb 25 18:18:43 hmm, thats a perl script Feb 25 18:37:30 someone knows a https page that i can reach through a link from a http page? Feb 25 18:40:13 hmm, does ventura not allow clicking on a https link? Feb 25 18:47:06 Heinervdm: it does, but you need the ssl cert Feb 25 18:47:41 vanous123: i created a package for ssl certs and i'm trying to test it Feb 25 18:48:12