**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 02 02:59:58 2010 Mar 02 08:37:29 TAsn: ping, your e-wm, keyb flow patch doesn't apply in latest e-wm, can you check if it was included/rebase it? Mar 02 09:04:09 ordered A7+... my original A5 had its buzz fix starting to fail, USB stopping working at least occasionally, problems with touch screen (although resolved manually with a piece of plastic) etc. Mar 02 09:05:25 mm...A&+ Mar 02 09:05:27 A7+ Mar 02 09:06:13 Weiss: a7 with unofficial #1024 fix Mar 02 09:06:22 yeah.. I have one :) Mar 02 09:09:17 there's no such thing like 'official #1024 fix', and never there'll be Mar 02 09:16:23 lindi-: since you were having WSoDs of doom earlier, might be good if you could briefly test the latest DRM 2.6.32 kernel.. Mar 02 09:16:53 Weiss: i haven't seen wsod for more than a year or so Mar 02 09:17:06 Weiss: with xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and andy-tracking Mar 02 09:17:46 DocScrutinizer: btw my backup battery reads 0.72V Mar 02 09:18:22 lindi-: that's a pretty weird reading Mar 02 09:18:50 should be either 0 or >2V you'd guess Mar 02 09:19:25 i am measuring it while it is still connected to the phone so maybe there's some capacitor? Mar 02 09:19:28 lindi-: then you should be able to use xf86-video-glamo now.. Mar 02 09:19:44 Weiss: but what benefits would that give? Mar 02 09:20:37 this is fast enough and i'm learned to live without xrandr Mar 02 09:20:56 ok :) Mar 02 09:21:18 I'm just curious as to how well it works for people who had problems with the older version Mar 02 09:21:32 Weiss: just in case you are mixing Timos, I was the one who had WSOD on drm kernel earlier :) Mar 02 09:21:49 hah Mar 02 09:22:27 Mirv: you too :).. I remember lindi- testing KMS and having problems too, though..? or maybe I'm going mad.. wouldn't be the first time Mar 02 09:23:05 Weiss: yes ages ago Mar 02 09:23:14 Weiss: building 2.6.32.9 with your latest patches on shr buildhost atm :) Mar 02 09:23:56 Weiss: ah, ok Mar 02 09:24:27 Weiss: -r1 there is still without last 2 and WSOD is 100% Mar 02 09:25:52 100% there or 100% gone? Mar 02 09:26:11 lindi-: btw your timeless friend and crash&die achieved to piss off raster from #maemo completely ;-P Mar 02 09:26:20 lindi-: cool guys, indeed Mar 02 09:27:36 DocScrutinizer: when? Mar 02 09:27:55 DocScrutinizer: maemo is proprietary stuff, what was raster doing there in the first place? ;)) Mar 02 09:28:02 1h ago they were done with that great task Mar 02 09:28:19 lindi-: he finally managed to turn on his n900 and was testing theirs OpenGL ES with his benchmarks. Mar 02 09:28:45 Weiss: for -r1 100% there, -r2 is the right one without WSODs Mar 02 09:28:53 which btw wasn't that charming for Nokia's opengl implementation :-P Mar 02 09:29:15 Weiss: but that I had built only locally.. will be on shr buildhost in few minutes, README.html already updated :) Mar 02 09:29:22 morning' Mar 02 09:29:33 morning Mar 02 09:30:02 JaMa: ah ok.. you didn't spot the extra two commits I did last night? (nothing to do with WSoD) Mar 02 09:30:55 PaulFertser: blah, i thought the whole opengl stuff there was non-free :( Mar 02 09:30:59 Deubeuliou: FYI: few builds from yesterday generated strange error and resulting binaries segfaulted (ie libopkg0).. just rebuilding worked ok.. no idea if h:1 builds were also affected Mar 02 09:31:45 mmh I have no idea, but the logs show nothing strange, for h:1 Mar 02 09:32:01 lindi-: it is Mar 02 09:32:03 have someone successfully built libnl-2.0 ? Mar 02 09:32:11 Weiss: ah.. I see.. sorry for confusion.. I didn't check last night work Mar 02 09:32:18 DocScrutinizer: now i've got to read plenty of backlog :) Mar 02 09:32:29 I can't get it built, neither on debian unstable nor stable Mar 02 09:32:35 PaulFertser: hehe Mar 02 09:32:58 Deubeuliou: we had lots of segfaults from python (bitbake interpreter) and swap was off in the morning so maybe there were some memory problems.. Mar 02 09:33:14 Deubeuliou: today it seems sane sofar Mar 02 09:33:54 there are some type definition missing (or actually, not being defined because surrounded by a #ifndef in an external header) and even after I manually added them, the linking fails ... Mar 02 09:33:59 N900 = ImgTech SGX = very very evil for FOSS :( Mar 02 09:34:01 (more details incoming) Mar 02 09:34:11 JaMa: ok Mar 02 09:34:13 lindi-: that won't stop raster from torturing it with some nasty tests, and reveal a dozen rendering bugs and other flaws just en passant Mar 02 09:34:18 Deubeuliou: libnl-2.0 .. sure but crosscompile with bitbake.. Mar 02 09:34:39 I wonder if libnl1 would fit Mar 02 09:34:51 Deubeuliou: builds on squeeze. build log at iki.fi/lindi/build.log Mar 02 09:34:59 Deubeuliou: builds on squeeze. build log at iki.fi/lindi/tmp/build.log Mar 02 09:35:34 mmmm Mar 02 09:35:35 Deubeuliou: but maybe you meant something else than debian package libnl? some oe stuff? Mar 02 09:35:37 torture Mar 02 09:35:46 lindi-: that's libnl1, isn't it ? Mar 02 09:36:11 libfsobasics needs libnl-2.0 Mar 02 09:36:26 but actually what got raster starting was crashanddie stating "fuck the whole maemo community" (nota bene he's chanop of #maemo!), and then calling raster a troll for pasting 3 lines of a bugreport, and finally kickban him from channel Mar 02 09:36:42 wich can be found either at kernel.org or at freesmartphone.org/sources as a tarball Mar 02 09:36:47 Weiss: if you have an equivalent gpu + driver thats open.... out with it! :) Mar 02 09:37:13 raster: indeed :(... there are none Mar 02 09:37:33 as someone who enjoys playing with embedded GPU drivers, this is upsetting Mar 02 09:37:44 s/embedded/"embedded"/ Mar 02 09:37:45 Weiss meant: as someone who enjoys playing with "embedded" GPU drivers, this is upsetting Mar 02 09:37:53 then when crashanddie swallowed the flames of the other chan users and unbanned him, timeless kicked in and continued with that wellknown charmant way to treat users new to the channel Mar 02 09:38:02 DocScrutinizer: actually calling me a troll for simply saying that people are unhappy with nokia not clarifying n900 + meego future Mar 02 09:38:08 Deubeuliou: ah Mar 02 09:38:10 thus i'm a troll for disagreeing Mar 02 09:38:22 /usr/include/linux/netfilter/nfnetlink_log.h:31: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘aligned_be64’ Mar 02 09:39:36 those guys are gasheads - nevermind, raster. It's basically not worth you bother Mar 02 09:40:08 well, I guess they are a little bit tired of people bringing the same topic over and over when they have no answer from their management, or because they cannot give one :/ Mar 02 09:40:19 aligned_be64 is defined in linux/types.h but protected when __KERNEL_STRICT_NAMES is defined ; and it is defined in features.h (which is included by tons of other headers) Mar 02 09:40:55 misc: doesnt change the sitatuion - thats he situatin that causes al the speculation, fud etc. Mar 02 09:40:59 Deubeuliou: have you asked libnl1 debian maintainer? Mar 02 09:41:09 no Mar 02 09:41:14 I'll try Mar 02 09:41:23 misc: and crashdaddie doesnt work for/with nokia nayway Mar 02 09:41:27 raster: yup, they should communicate indeed Mar 02 09:41:28 so hes not being held back Mar 02 09:41:42 misc: that was my point Mar 02 09:42:11 the lack of committing - one way or another causes the situation crashdaddie was bitching about saying "fuck off community" Mar 02 09:42:35 but i get called a troll for that Mar 02 09:43:11 i have heard that nokia people learned of meego in the news the same day as everybody :/ Mar 02 09:43:24 DocScrutinizer: oh, crash* guy is such an ass! Mar 02 09:43:27 misc: not surprising Mar 02 09:43:36 same thing happened about the tt buyout Mar 02 09:43:47 and the gtk/gnome guys there Mar 02 09:44:07 i guess that's quite frustrating indeed Mar 02 09:45:41 raster: you asked for an embedded GPU with open driver... have you seen http://www.open-pandora.org/ yet? Mar 02 09:46:19 Wonka: hahahahhahaha Mar 02 09:46:30 Wonka: just as open as n900. same SoC. Mar 02 09:46:37 :) Mar 02 09:46:44 (Sorry had to laugh at that one) Mar 02 09:46:55 almost all mobile devices with 3D have SGX GPUs Mar 02 09:47:10 powervr crap is inside intel gma 500 poulsbo too Mar 02 09:47:21 which is inside a few recent laptops Mar 02 09:47:22 yup Mar 02 09:47:27 :( Mar 02 09:47:28 Weiss: yup. Mar 02 09:47:30 and ImgTech are pretty evil about it.. the core DRI people don't dare to download the SDK for fear of contaminating their IP Mar 02 09:48:11 let's hope this project will bring some freedom: http://wiki.opengraphics.org/tiki-index.php Mar 02 09:48:41 OGP is cool.. I hope to maybe get involved at some point.. but it'll be a while.. Mar 02 09:48:49 Weiss: only other competitor thats a real up-there gpu is the mali400 or so - thats also closed up Mar 02 09:50:38 raster: do you know anything about the Zii ZMS SoC, incidentally? is that an SGX as well? Mar 02 09:50:48 not as such - no Mar 02 09:50:52 (http://www.ziilabs.com/products/processors/zms08.aspx) Mar 02 09:50:55 if it is what i think it is - its closed Mar 02 09:51:01 sigh: libphone-ui_git.bb Mar 02 09:51:06 failed building Mar 02 09:51:10 what do you think it is? Mar 02 09:51:14 no one ever tried to RE their code ? Mar 02 09:51:16 i think its a custom 3d unit and quite old now its all microcode based Mar 02 09:52:07 so it wont even get a fraction of the speed of todays sgx's Mar 02 09:52:13 so id' say its out of the race Mar 02 09:52:16 old sounds about right.. the numbers didn't look too high Mar 02 09:52:19 if it is.. what i think it is Mar 02 09:52:33 open crap... is still crap :) Mar 02 09:52:46 (42tx/sec for the ZMS-05.. even Glamo can beat than in theory :) Mar 02 09:52:56 hhehe Mar 02 09:54:10 misc: ImgTech's driver code? not that I know of.. Mar 02 09:54:11 recently I had clock showing wrong time after reboot, using shr testing, are you aware of this? Mar 02 09:54:31 phoneui-utils.c: In function 'phoneui_utils_usage_shutdown': Mar 02 09:54:32 phoneui-utils.c:1118: error: implicit declaration of function 'ousaged_shutdown Mar 02 09:54:34 misc: but it'd have to be a full cleanroom RE.. possibly difficult given the limited number of people with the relevant skills Mar 02 09:54:47 where is phoneui-utils hidden in? phoneui-apps? Mar 02 09:56:15 Weiss: hmm no its cortex-a8 Mar 02 09:56:18 not the one i was thinking Mar 02 09:56:23 graziano: only if you removed battery Mar 02 09:57:36 spaetz that's libphone-ui Mar 02 09:57:57 dont know what it is Mar 02 09:58:22 thot he stemcell thing smells familiar to an older soc from 3dlabs Mar 02 09:58:32 which was owned by creative Mar 02 09:58:38 ziilabs = 3dlabs, so that'd be likely.. Mar 02 09:58:43 so 3d is really just code running on the stemcell units Mar 02 09:59:24 dont know if its open tho Mar 02 10:01:57 hello , how to know if fr is paired with another device or not ? Mar 02 10:02:37 alabd: bt ? Mar 02 10:03:21 DocScrutinizer: apparentely not, I am using shr testing and never changed anything or removed the battery but if I set the clock when I reboot it shows wrong time again Mar 02 10:03:48 raster: mmh, http://www.mitrax.de/?cont=comment&nid=89 sounds like Tungsten was contracted by Intel to develop a Gallum3D PoverVR driver... Mar 02 10:03:49 raster: interesting.. their SDK stuff doesn't immediately have closed written all over it, but they also don't make a big point of being open. May be worth a closer look.. Mar 02 10:03:52 by wrong time I mean always one hour back Mar 02 10:04:09 misc: yes Mar 02 10:04:12 so it may be due to some timezone settings Mar 02 10:04:15 don't know Mar 02 10:04:32 Weiss: i knwo. they did - and apparently a bad job too Mar 02 10:04:51 Wonka: ^ Mar 02 10:04:51 Wonka: wasn't it for poulsbo driver ? Mar 02 10:04:53 but tungsten will have been hobbled by closed docs from imgtec Mar 02 10:04:55 nda's Mar 02 10:04:58 they cand make open drivers Mar 02 10:05:03 graziano: that's abug then Mar 02 10:05:50 I will send an email to the mailing list to see if someone else had this problem or if there is already some bug related to this before opening a new one Mar 02 10:05:51 oops Mar 02 10:05:54 raster: that TG Gallium driver *is* the one you can download from (say) TI's website? or that's different? Mar 02 10:05:58 errr Mar 02 10:05:59 graziano: though 'set the clock' isn't exactly sufficient to fix a wrong time. You need to do a hwclock --systohc Mar 02 10:06:08 TAsn: mrmoku: libphone-ui-shr really depends on etk? Mar 02 10:06:12 sorry Mar 02 10:06:33 Wonka: as above Mar 02 10:06:39 graziano: if you get the correct time via e.g GPS, this should happen automatically Mar 02 10:07:00 Weiss: dont know too much about it - but the zii stuff isnt used anywhere :( Mar 02 10:07:06 well not currently that i know of Mar 02 10:07:52 meh :/ Mar 02 10:08:01 * Wonka wants open 3D... Mar 02 10:08:27 open *mobile* 3D? Mar 02 10:08:57 DocScrutinizer: let's think for a moment I am a normal user, not a developer. I buy my freerunner and install shr in its most stable release. If I go to settings > date and time > click SET TIME > OK I expect my time to be set forever until I remove the battery Mar 02 10:09:01 not to change after a reboot Mar 02 10:09:54 Weiss: mobile depend just on how much heavy stuff you are willing to carry :) Mar 02 10:09:55 graziano: ack. SHR-settings should do a hwclock --systohc as well. Mar 02 10:10:40 hwclock --utc --synctohc is important Mar 02 10:10:41 graziano: could you please check if your RTC is correctly set prior to suspend/shutdown by issuing 'date;hwclock;date' Mar 02 10:10:44 Weiss: of course. Mar 02 10:11:09 Weiss: no sense in having Duke3D on a non-mobile handset ;) Mar 02 10:11:28 DocScrutinizer: will do Mar 02 10:11:29 wait Mar 02 10:11:43 graziano, check that time is correct, check that timezone is correct ( date ) and then hwclock --utc --synctohc Mar 02 10:12:10 there's no --synctohc Mar 02 10:12:54 just systohc, yes) Mar 02 10:13:36 uff Mar 02 10:13:41 http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=45664 Mar 02 10:13:47 screen went black and no way t bring it up Mar 02 10:13:55 pressed power for long time Mar 02 10:14:00 and then tried to boot it again Mar 02 10:14:05 still black Mar 02 10:15:51 ok removed the battery anbd rebooting Mar 02 10:15:53 --utc only needed with --noadjfile, or when adjtime file doesn't contain correct TZ/utc setting Mar 02 10:15:58 Wonka: kenrle side of sgx drivers has alwayws been gpl/open Mar 02 10:16:02 the suerspace libs are not Mar 02 10:16:04 TAsn: it's included :) http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/46550 Mar 02 10:16:10 and thats where 99% of the work is Mar 02 10:16:13 :) Mar 02 10:16:54 DocScrutinizer, --utc imho always needed, if you leave not in GMT+0 Mar 02 10:17:13 graziano: fine ;-D so now you can check a probably wrong RTC before and after you set time via shr-settings Mar 02 10:18:55 wait Mar 02 10:19:20 If you specify neither --utc nor --localtime , the default is whichever was specified the last time hwclock Mar 02 10:19:22 was used to set the clock (i.e. hwclock was successfully run with the --set , --systohc , or --adjust Mar 02 10:19:23 options), as recorded in the adjtime file. Mar 02 10:20:20 date: Sat Jan 1 00:04:26 UTC 2000 Mar 02 10:20:36 max_posedon: so actually it's usually a *bad* idea to use --utc or --localtime Mar 02 10:21:08 hwclock: Sat Jan 1 00:04:26 UTC 2000 0.000000 seconds Mar 02 10:21:27 graziano, and you leave in GMT+1, yes? Mar 02 10:21:30 date: Sat Jan 1 00:04:26 UTC 2000 Mar 02 10:21:47 DocScrutinizer, keeping localtime in local time, not utc never worked for me Mar 02 10:21:56 on any linux, any time, on any device Mar 02 10:22:03 now I am going to change the time on shr settings Mar 02 10:22:31 graziano, why date show UTC? Mar 02 10:22:44 your TZ is wrong, isn't it? Mar 02 10:22:53 maybe beccause he has UTC for TZ? Mar 02 10:23:02 GMT+0 != UTC Mar 02 10:23:10 summer/winter time, you know Mar 02 10:23:12 I live in Italy but you forget I just removed the battery because the screen went black Mar 02 10:23:32 graziano, italy has GTM+1? Mar 02 10:23:36 its not about battery Mar 02 10:23:41 its about /etc/localtime Mar 02 10:23:46 yep Mar 02 10:26:56 graziano: ?? Mar 02 10:27:00 here I am Mar 02 10:27:05 set time but I am unable to set date Mar 02 10:27:15 forget about date Mar 02 10:27:20 ok Mar 02 10:27:21 clock set Mar 02 10:27:36 date;hwclock;date Mar 02 10:27:38 now before rebooting I will give date hwclock date again Mar 02 10:27:39 ok Mar 02 10:27:39 paste Mar 02 10:28:09 date: 11:28:24 UTC 2000 <--- date ok Mar 02 10:30:14 hwclock: not ok Mar 02 10:30:16 aand hwclock? Mar 02 10:30:29 00:15:03 Mar 02 10:30:44 date: 11:28:24 UTC 2000 <--- date ok again Mar 02 10:30:48 ok, pester dos1 to fix that friggin shr-settings Mar 02 10:32:00 graziano: do a hwclock --systohc, then suspend/resume or whatever you got problems before Mar 02 10:32:33 shr-settings set time works for me Mar 02 10:32:51 graziano, plz set correct time and date (not 2000 year) Mar 02 10:32:59 set TZ! Mar 02 10:33:03 DocScrutinizer: ok will try Mar 02 10:33:10 and then hwclock --utc --systohc Mar 02 10:33:17 all will work Mar 02 10:33:23 max_posedon: hoooh fury Mar 02 10:33:27 slowly Mar 02 10:33:54 The background of the welcomescreen is gone... Mar 02 10:35:44 max_posedon: also I don't think your insisting on --utc is sensible. You don't know what the system uses elsewhere Mar 02 10:36:46 as I said, I never had success expireence with non-utc time in hwclock Mar 02 10:36:58 and utc in hwclock always works Mar 02 10:37:11 system elsewhere uses /etc/localtime to convert Mar 02 10:37:26 so, have correct /etc/localtime is important too Mar 02 10:37:46 graziano: I suggest after you confirmed your issues with time being off by an odd number of minutes after resume/boot, you should try to get a GPS fix and that will set your time correctly. You might want to set your TZ prior to that, by whatever means this is done nowadays in SHR Mar 02 10:38:46 max_posedon: and I always have localtime instead of UTC, for historical reasons (win95 dualboot ;-) Mar 02 10:39:05 and never had any problems Mar 02 10:39:34 except with windoof doing "automatic summertime adjustment" Mar 02 10:39:41 you see! Mar 02 10:39:56 but I'm used utc-hwclock in windows too Mar 02 10:40:06 and never had this issue) Mar 02 10:40:08 here I am sorry I am @work.. Mar 02 10:40:20 seems you haven't used early windows versions? Mar 02 10:40:35 started from win98 Mar 02 10:42:10 anyway, I think shr uses hwclock --utc to restoring time Mar 02 10:42:15 JaMa: (etk) not anymore Mar 02 10:43:05 mrmoku: ok, removed Mar 02 10:43:05 max_posedon: and I think a short glance at /etc/adjtime should tell Mar 02 10:44:22 cat: can't open '/etc/adjtime': No such file or directory Mar 02 10:44:40 DocScrutinizer: after I suspend/resume and/or reboot how do I check if date is correctly set? Just watch the clock? :) Mar 02 10:46:06 s/date/time Mar 02 10:50:58 graziano: date;hwclock;date and compare to actual time Mar 02 10:50:58 ok after suspend/resume date is still ok, now I will try rebooting.. Mar 02 10:51:21 well I tried only with date after the resume/suspend Mar 02 10:51:29 but I think results were the same now try rebooting Mar 02 10:51:37 ok Mar 02 10:53:26 if that also works (or even if that fails) you should listen to max_posedon and set localtime correctly, then try again if SHR-settings is adjusting RTC then (just change the time by one minute so you can tell if the RTC is changed as well) Mar 02 10:58:29 DocScrutinizer: ehi it worked! Mar 02 10:58:39 after reboot clock is set, date and hwclock confirm right time Mar 02 10:59:22 DocScrutinizer: you are more expert than me, could you please do the needed steps to make this behaviour default in shr testing? I don't know who to talk to or what to report Mar 02 11:00:05 graziano: as I said above: Mar 02 11:00:08 if that also works (or even if that fails) you should listen to max_posedon and set localtime correctly, then try again if SHR-settings is adjusting RTC then (just change the time by one minute so you can tell if the RTC is changed as well) Mar 02 11:00:54 if that still fails with TZ correctly set, then pester dos1 to fix SHR-settings Mar 02 11:01:32 max_posedon: what should I type to set localtime correctly? Mar 02 11:37:25 Weiss: do you use gta02_drm_defconfig also with 2.6.32? Mar 02 11:39:05 Mirv: it needs small modifications Mar 02 11:39:53 Mirv: you can try this one http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.32/om-gta02/defconfig Mar 02 11:40:30 JaMa: thanks Mar 02 12:11:25 Mar 02 12:11:25 [Mon Mar 1 2010] Mar 02 12:11:26 *** You have joined channel #openmoko-cdevel [11:10] Mar 02 12:11:26 *** Topic for #openmoko-cdevel: Openmoko Community Developers Channel - Mar 02 12:11:30 discussion on all firmware images, packages and software | SHR: Mar 02 12:11:33 http://shr-project.org/ | IRC logs: Mar 02 12:11:36 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko-cdevel.livelog | Mar 02 12:11:39 #hackable1 | #openmoko-debian | #qtmoko | #android-on-freerunner | #paroli Mar 02 12:11:42 | hackable:1 rev5 is out ! | CIA notifications in #freesmartphone.org Mar 02 12:11:46 | http://video.fosdem.org/2010/ Mar 02 12:11:49 *** #openmoko-cdevel: topic set by Mar 02 12:11:52 Serdar!~Serdar@dslb-084-060-228-113.pools.arcor-ip.net, 20:42:08 Mar 02 12:11:52 2010/02/12 Mar 02 12:11:55 *** Users on #openmoko-cdevel: ZaPPaS Gabrys valos vegyraupe_ richy everslick Mar 02 12:11:58 Arigead GarthPS DocScrutinizer51 pespin BillK pabs3 octavsly mickey|office Mar 02 12:12:03 Heinervdm jl_gene Guest81694 graziano naeg schasch droid001 wolfyg Mar 02 12:12:06 DocScrutinizer tmzt error3 Defiant methril raster mickey|zzZZzz playya_ Mar 02 12:12:09 Sargun Serdar1 TAsn tg sicu mwester Weiss wpwrak pb__ max_posedon RedDog Mar 02 12:12:12 viq KaZeR rafa Q-Master ruoso Deubeuliou |_0xEF| __face Mirv Ainulindale Mar 02 12:12:16 kwek JaMa lindi- chris38 pini meuh Kayin Mar 02 12:12:19 *** Users on #openmoko-cdevel: TeLLuS alexxy jaacoppi GeneralError Blu3 Mar 02 12:12:19 TheGroove apt wookey BeZerk alphaone|gone Wonka meskal Brinky @ChanServ Mar 02 12:12:22 Meomer larsc djbclark mps Kensan johnsu01 albertD roh josch feitingen Mar 02 12:12:25 dvarnes blindcoder leviathan nslu2-log trs80 _phil Azog _diego__ polz Mar 02 12:12:28 Rakhun sabrod m2 spaetz pwerken soltys djj rtp htns farhaven juri_ Mar 02 12:12:33 PaulFertser mmontour CIA-45 piti misc mrmoku|away TheXception|off Mar 02 12:12:36 *** #openmoko-cdevel modes: +Cn Mar 02 12:12:39 *** #openmoko-cdevel was created on Friday 2008/07/04 04:53:13 PM Mar 02 12:12:42 *** Gabrys (~Gabrys@158.75.43.108) has quit: Quit: Leaving. 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Mar 02 12:15:32 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko-cdevel.livelog | Mar 02 12:15:34 ver ZaPPaS Mar 02 12:15:36 #hackable1 | #openmoko-debian | #qtmoko | #android-on-freerunner | #paroli Mar 02 12:15:56 I meant probably we should consider it but i can't do it myself right now. Mar 02 12:16:06 PaulFertser: yep Mar 02 12:16:29 if you find some time... you know the box for running that one on it Mar 02 12:16:51 DocScrutinizer: exactly Mar 02 12:16:53 thought the same Mar 02 12:17:03 yes? Mar 02 12:17:14 that's one of the purposes I got the box for Mar 02 12:17:27 Sargun: huh? Mar 02 12:17:37 ah, didn't see the flood Mar 02 12:17:40 k Mar 02 12:18:23 I expect he'll come back in a moment. I'm off now. Shall I ban, or will somebody take over? Mar 02 12:18:42 PaulFertser: ? Mar 02 12:19:04 k :-D Mar 02 12:19:19 ZaPPaS: was that an accidental paste? Mar 02 12:20:41 octavsly: isn't here Mar 02 12:21:04 I guess a misconfig Mar 02 12:21:30 though I fail to imagine which one Mar 02 12:21:32 Wonka: I know, ZaPPas was kicked out :-| Mar 02 12:21:49 DocScrutinizer: irc client on FR with misbehaving TS driver? Mar 02 12:21:54 octavsly: why :-| ? Mar 02 12:22:16 no special reason. I could not laugh nor cry ;-) Mar 02 12:22:19 *countingÜ Mar 02 12:22:45 k, thought you had a better way to handle it Mar 02 12:23:14 ZaPPaS: what's going on, fella? Mar 02 12:23:29 90s are over, last time the it started after 45s... Mar 02 12:23:46 no join/part msgs here Mar 02 12:23:47 Ohhh Mar 02 12:23:51 Sorry Mar 02 12:23:54 :-D Mar 02 12:24:12 poor guy :-)) Mar 02 12:24:26 should at least apologize Mar 02 12:24:33 My WM misbehaved :( I pressed M-Enter and it did passed Enter instead Mar 02 12:24:48 in other channels, people are kicked for not greeting on entering Mar 02 12:24:56 lol Mar 02 12:25:12 for sure not engineering channels Mar 02 12:25:28 no, that one is social. mostly. sometimes asocial. Mar 02 12:26:42 15:26 i dont know, useing erc for some days now, but somehow logging feature is not doing what i want ;) Mar 02 12:26:56 LOL Mar 02 12:27:17 DocScrutinizer: now that is an interesting misconfiguration ;) Mar 02 12:27:30 yes indeed Mar 02 12:27:47 k, bbl Mar 02 12:27:51 * DocScrutinizer waves Mar 02 12:28:14 * octavsly returns to the work is paid for Mar 02 12:29:15 where to get /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml default file ? Mar 02 12:29:23 would anyone upload it? Mar 02 12:30:34 alabd_: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml;h=7431d57c314030d7cf39cb4e978bd0c014a7803e;hb=f9240762be27356f66bd7bc0b5526dfdb9412491 Mar 02 12:30:43 ZaPPaS: welcome back :) Mar 02 12:31:34 thanks have you removed persian layout from host ? Mar 02 12:33:22 mrmoku: ^ and that file is not the same as default one in shr-testing Mar 02 12:36:19 :) Mar 02 12:40:04 how to save this file on pc http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml;h=7431d57c314030d7cf39cb4e978bd0c014a7803e;hb=f9240762be27356f66bd7bc0b5526dfdb9412491 Mar 02 12:44:00 alabd_: wget Mar 02 12:45:18 max_posedon: ping Mar 02 12:45:57 alabd_: actually 'wget http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob_plain;f=etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml;h=7431d57c314030d7cf39cb4e978bd0c014a7803e;hb=f9240762be27356f66bd7bc0b5526dfdb9412491' Mar 02 12:46:21 docScrutinizer thanks are you fine ? Mar 02 12:46:24 or simply click "raw" in your browser Mar 02 12:46:43 alabd_: well, more or less, thanks Mar 02 12:47:29 sry, for flooding :( Mar 02 12:48:25 zZaPPaSs: beware, I installed a autokicker specialy for you :P Mar 02 12:48:31 :P Mar 02 12:48:33 ZaPPaS: which flooding ? Mar 02 12:49:08 alabd_: some minutes ago... Mar 02 12:49:30 np Mar 02 13:01:22 Weiss: getting http://pastebin.com/hM7n0rmm on Debian with 2.6.32 KMS + libdrm/glamo head Mar 02 13:01:44 when starting X Mar 02 13:04:44 Mirv: interesting.. could you post the entire Xorg.log? for some reason, xf86-video-glamo isn't using KMS Mar 02 13:06:07 mrmoku, TAsn, spaetz, Heinervdm, dos: can you reply to http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-February/060558.html? that guy sent it to me to reply+fwd so I'll fwd it to you if you don't have it in mailbox already :) Mar 02 13:07:53 Weiss: ah, my bad. won't be doing that yet, debugging my libdrm installation. Mar 02 13:08:13 didn't notice that KMS wasn't enabled, just concentrated on the segfault :) Mar 02 13:09:00 has anyone used PC as BT headset ? Mar 02 13:12:02 Mirv: does /sys/bus/platform/devices/glamo-fb.0/drm/ exist on your system? Mar 02 13:16:34 NOTE: Running task 12997 of 14024 and died again :/ Mar 02 13:19:08 dos1: can you reply to http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-February/060558.html? that guy sent it to me to reply+fwd so I'll fwd it to you if you don't have it in mailbox already :) Mar 02 13:23:04 Weiss: yes it exists, and here's the log: http://pastebin.com/6gX3ZxTd Mar 02 13:23:11 it's not immediately clear to me what is wrong Mar 02 13:23:31 DocScrutinizer: thanks for the help and sorry to bother you again, could you explain me how should I set localtime correctly in my freerunner? Mar 02 13:24:15 graziano: please ask max_posedon Mar 02 13:24:21 ok Mar 02 13:24:30 Mirv: what's inside that folder? Mar 02 13:25:22 Weiss: http://pastebin.com/E6ka9F7K Mar 02 13:27:39 * JaMa still have card0-Unknown-1 there Mar 02 13:27:47 because of that last patch not aplied Mar 02 13:34:21 JaMa: did you fwd it? I can't find it Mar 02 13:36:34 no but I'll if you don't have it Mar 02 13:37:04 sent Mar 02 13:38:36 Mirv: ok.. I'm officially confused as to why that isn't working Mar 02 13:39:52 Mirv: check GlamoKernelModesettingAvailable() in glamo-kms-driver.c in xf86-video-glamo.. it should detect that Mar 02 13:44:41 oh no. shr-lite-image compiled! How could that happen? Mar 02 13:45:02 * spaetz flashes a shr-testing candidate Mar 02 13:45:43 Message from syslogd@opmbuild at Tue Mar 2 13:51:41 2010 ... Mar 02 13:45:44 opmbuild kernel: Oops: 0000 [1] SMP Mar 02 13:45:54 is that something one wants to see? Mar 02 13:46:33 spaetz: if you check dmesg then there is lots of this stuff Mar 02 13:46:39 wow Mar 02 13:46:51 it segfaulted whole yesterday Mar 02 13:46:58 then died today 4:16 Mar 02 13:47:19 but somebody from bearstech said, he'll check it today Mar 02 13:47:48 spaetz: btw: can you cherry-pick those SRCREV updates also to oe.dev? or should I? Mar 02 13:48:04 if you would do that great. Otherwise I can do it Mar 02 13:48:27 ok I'll :) Mar 02 13:48:35 yep, I planned to push them to dev.oe as soon as I know if they compile :) Mar 02 13:48:39 ok, thanks a lot. Mar 02 13:49:04 next time you can do it before merging oe.dev and save few commits :) Mar 02 13:49:45 Weiss: it may be that ENABLE_KMS isn't correctly setup, even when configure detects kms Mar 02 13:50:02 hehe, true. But then I have to merge all the time before I know if it works :) Mar 02 13:51:03 spaetz: btw: didn't seen autorev include removal.. so be carefull not to build newer before removing it :) Mar 02 13:51:33 but with SRCPV is not so big problem going backwards with git rev Mar 02 13:55:39 Weiss: I'm not really autotools expert, but there might be something wrong there. forcing ENABLE_KMS manually compiled the correct sections correctly. Mar 02 13:55:52 the configure did report having found kms also earlier Mar 02 13:59:30 Weiss: next up, I seem to be repeatably able to get X crash when trying to summon literki keyboard on the screen: http://pastebin.com/L9PuSRGn Mar 02 13:59:59 where to get /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml of shr-testing ? Mar 02 14:00:25 Weiss: but to your original question earlier today: resumes fine from suspend! that's huge. Mar 02 14:02:48 JaMa: answered :) Mar 02 14:05:11 dos1: hi, I tried to install shr-installer on SHR testing. Installation went fine but it failed to start. Don't know if you already knew it, gnutoo told me you could be the maintainer.. Mar 02 14:10:48 graziano: i think it's just old package in repo - version from git should work Mar 02 14:12:47 dos1, I am new, just curious, when the git version will land in the testing archive? Mar 02 14:13:41 dos1: thanks Mar 02 14:17:21 from buildhost logs: <1>Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed! Mar 02 14:17:22 :x Mar 02 14:18:39 dos1: much better answers you sent :) Mar 02 14:19:01 dos1: at least first questions.. then you were tired and answers shorter :) Mar 02 14:19:10 yup :D Mar 02 14:19:21 :) Mar 02 14:19:21 dos1: buildhost is dead for last 2 days.. Mar 02 14:19:34 dos1: already talked on #bearstech.. Mar 02 14:21:27 dos1: and it died in the middle of rebuild from scratch :/ Mar 02 14:21:50 :\ Mar 02 14:22:22 I've started rebuild Saturday 20PM and still it's not finished, and what is worse.. it creates additional bugs because of broken memory or fs (like libopkg0) Mar 02 14:22:45 so next rebuild will be better soon Mar 02 14:31:12 I think shr testing repositories are different from the unstable ones. Mar 02 14:31:28 I wish I could read some doc to learn Mar 02 14:36:27 JaMa: so does it make sense to start a rebuild on the buildhost now? Mar 02 14:36:33 Probably not? Mar 02 14:41:19 hi, I run a bitbake tasks with 13a683d16c6319e6595911cf54ed2f686548525e under shr-testing and while installing the binary on my freerunner which runs shr-testing I have: Mar 02 14:42:27 http://pastebin.com/mejBLSSD Mar 02 14:42:41 inside the message there are strange things such as: Mar 02 14:42:59 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for tasks:* gtk+ (>= 2.18.6) Mar 02 14:43:42 we have gtk+ - 2.18.3-r6.0.4 Mar 02 14:44:06 and an opkg update && opkg upgrade gives nothing Mar 02 14:44:09 on the freerunner Mar 02 14:45:08 how can an shr-testing from old git be more recent than an updated stock shr-testing Mar 02 14:45:09 ? Mar 02 14:45:39 the strangiest thing is that: Mar 02 14:45:56 http://pastebin.com/SMYzECEM Mar 02 14:46:15 is there a way to check that my package was indeed built with shr-testing branch? Mar 02 14:46:26 because the hash matches Mar 02 14:57:50 ohh fuck. I cannot hit any dialog button in the profile selector in a current shr-testing compiled from scratch Mar 02 14:58:10 shr-testing=shr-unstable from a few days ago. Mar 02 14:58:19 mmm Mar 02 14:58:28 I give up Mar 02 14:58:31 maybe bad xorg.conf? Mar 02 14:58:38 check xorg logs Mar 02 14:58:44 how can I know? I cannot log in. Mar 02 14:58:48 ah ok Mar 02 14:59:04 because I cannot select a profile in the first run wizard and not set an ssh password Mar 02 14:59:05 ah yes indeed no password Mar 02 14:59:22 make a netcat script? Mar 02 14:59:35 I'll need to pop the sd card in a read tomorrow and disable the ssh password. Mar 02 14:59:45 s/script/init script Mar 02 14:59:48 ok Mar 02 15:00:00 or you could chroot into the sdcard from nand Mar 02 15:00:05 and set a password Mar 02 15:00:25 spaetz: empty password should be alowd again Mar 02 15:00:27 unfortunately we don't seem to use /etc/shadow Mar 02 15:00:28 ahh, I can log in. empty password seems to work Mar 02 15:00:29 nice Mar 02 15:00:30 so try without password Mar 02 15:00:34 yep, worked Mar 02 15:00:37 :) Mar 02 15:00:53 only because of that we could remove the calibration Mar 02 15:00:57 (II) Cannot locate a core pointer device Mar 02 15:01:01 mmh, in xorg.log Mar 02 15:01:22 is hal disabled? Mar 02 15:01:46 spaetz: i think yes, JaMa said sth like that Mar 02 15:02:19 I'll go bye Mar 02 15:02:22 (II) config/hal: Adding input device s3c2410 TouchScr Mar 02 15:02:31 mmh, no it recognizes a touchscreen Mar 02 15:02:49 (WW) PCF50633 PMU events: device file already in use. Ignoring. Mar 02 15:02:49 (II) UnloadModule: "evdev" Mar 02 15:02:49 (EE) PreInit returned NULL for "PCF50633 PMU events" Mar 02 15:02:50 (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8) Mar 02 15:02:59 that looks bad! and sorry for pasting so much Mar 02 15:03:37 This is the same stuff as shr-unstable. So why does it work there? Mar 02 15:04:06 does the latest image work? Mar 02 15:04:48 shr-testing is merged from shr-unstable 2 days ago or so, with the autorev versions pinned. But the same happened end of January... Mar 02 15:04:55 latest shr-unstable image? No clue Mar 02 15:05:20 but the same symptoms happened when I merged shr-unstable a few weeks ago, so this is nothing new, it seems. Mar 02 15:06:12 does X use the 'evdev' module? if yes, "unloading evdev" sounds bad Mar 02 15:07:49 spaetz: yes evdev is used by default Mar 02 15:20:44 Mirv: interesting.. are you using latest Xorg-server from Git? maybe a bug there - I don't know Mar 02 15:20:57 will check the configure script a bit tonight Mar 02 15:26:14 mmh, I have a message and jsonlint.com says it is valid, but python's json parser craps out on it. Mar 02 15:26:17 oops Mar 02 15:39:14 @anyone using the buildhost: is it ok if we reboot it now ? Mar 02 15:43:34 Deubeuliou: me no, spaetz Jama? Mar 02 15:47:30 reboot is fine Mar 02 15:47:57 good Mar 02 15:48:52 It doesn't look as if I will need it quickly again. frustrated with the non-working touchscreen... Mar 02 15:49:04 and no clue as to how to debug that crap Mar 02 16:13:56 spaetz, evdev or tslib? Mar 02 16:14:14 or even in the kernel? Mar 02 16:18:27 spaetz: latest andy-tracking has known touchscreen bug. the offending commit has not been reversed yet Mar 02 16:24:52 My powerbutton is purple... Mar 02 16:25:21 does that mean it has finished charging and it's charging at the same time? Mar 02 16:30:02 hi Mar 02 16:33:12 TAsn: would you say using illume2 is already recommended? is there a feature comparison available except for modularisation? Mar 02 16:33:52 * Weiss was pleasantly suprised by how well it worked yesterday Mar 02 16:34:31 the latest opkg upgrade rendered my neo useless by the way Mar 02 16:34:41 SHR-u? Mar 02 16:35:00 yes - it now tries to boot but halts even before the fb image is set Mar 02 16:35:09 + no kernel panic or anything related Mar 02 16:37:26 yes.. I think there has been init-related breakage. I had to re-flash Mar 02 16:37:44 (but after re-flash, it works fine) Mar 02 16:37:46 gnah Mar 02 16:37:59 Weiss: the latest unstable image? Mar 02 16:38:14 yep Mar 02 16:38:20 at least, as of sunday evening Mar 02 16:38:52 i'm downloading the one of yesterday atm and hope it will work Mar 02 16:40:19 max_posedon, ping Mar 02 16:49:46 spaetz, do you think next shr testing version will have spinlock etc. features disabled? Mar 02 16:50:02 gnutoo told me that could be the reason of low speed I am getting on shr testing Mar 02 16:51:14 graziano: as I cannot use X, I cannot say anything. Until that is solved, there will be no shr-t at all. And no, *I* am not going to remove kernel features beause it let new kernel bugs appear. Mar 02 16:51:18 which is a pity. Mar 02 16:51:43 disabling debug in kernel makes it faster but lets new kernel bugs appear. Mar 02 16:51:58 JaMa, I'm having problems installing some packages (not all) with opkg (using your libopkg0) Mar 02 16:52:08 Collected errors: Mar 02 16:52:09 * opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package ventura. Mar 02 16:52:19 spaetz, replied to your mail Mar 02 16:57:28 TAsn: thanks will check Mar 02 17:02:04 pespin: feed is still building.. probably ventura is still in queue Mar 02 17:02:28 ok :) Mar 02 17:04:10 good day all , where to get /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml of shr-testing ? Mar 02 17:04:17 spaetz: yes hal was disabled always in 1.8 snapshots, but in xorg-1.7.4 i disabled it about 3 days ago.. so probably before your merge Mar 02 17:04:53 spaetz: also unload evdev is show when power button cannot be initialized with evdev, evdev is removed for power button and then kbd driver used instead Mar 02 17:05:35 Deubeuliou: yes.. build is running but I'm ok to restart it after reboot Mar 02 17:05:37 OK, so my best bet is to just merge current shr-unstable again? Mar 02 17:05:59 spaetz: yes you need few last fixes Mar 02 17:06:45 ok, will do that. Mar 02 17:06:47 bbl Mar 02 17:07:34 Heinervdm: btw I pushed newer xinput-calibrator with misclick detection.. Mar 02 17:07:48 Heinervdm: it should make forced calibration on first run a bit better Mar 02 17:07:50 JaMa: ah, nice Mar 02 17:08:07 Heinervdm: but Tias is still working on "confirmation dialog" so I'll wait a bit more Mar 02 17:12:27 JaMa, what about my locale? Mar 02 17:12:36 btw, JaMa did you rebuild e and glibc? (when you created the image) Mar 02 17:17:03 TAsn: at home yes Mar 02 17:17:20 buildhost? Mar 02 17:17:22 TAsn: at shr buildhost we still don't have the feed done Mar 02 17:17:33 TAsn: now it's fsck time Mar 02 17:17:37 and still no locale? :| Mar 02 17:17:38 so it's downa Mar 02 17:17:45 "locale" Mar 02 17:17:50 TAsn: I think we agreed it's probably efl thing.. Mar 02 17:18:02 TAsn: so at home I have newer efl Mar 02 17:18:17 TAsn: but deprecated etk and epsilon + their python bindings Mar 02 17:18:22 that's ok Mar 02 17:18:27 and newer efl works? Mar 02 17:18:33 needs Ecore_data which is deprecated and disabled by default in configure Mar 02 17:18:50 TAsn: no idea.. still at work.. so I built it but didn't try to "see" it Mar 02 17:18:55 i c Mar 02 17:19:12 TAsn: but I removed etk/epsilon deps over whole tree and then blacklisted them for shr Mar 02 17:19:23 TAsn: to be sure that they are not used anywhere.. Mar 02 17:21:31 TAsn: but before bumping SRCREV I want some confirmation for this http://www.mail-archive.com/openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org/msg04242.html Mar 02 17:21:53 hi could it be that the buildhost is down? Mar 02 17:21:58 i can't connect Mar 02 17:22:11 yes it is Mar 02 17:22:27 any eta when it is back up? Mar 02 17:22:51 it depends.. but tomorrow to be sure Mar 02 17:23:01 hmm ;( Mar 02 17:23:03 bumbl: fsck is running, then probably memtest.. Mar 02 17:23:08 ok Mar 02 17:23:09 which takes time.. Mar 02 17:24:03 because i just flashed a new image as opkg upgrade broke the boot up and now i stand here without pisi and without evopedia Mar 02 17:24:29 that's ok.. as pisi and evopedia wasn't still built in feeds IIRC Mar 02 17:25:02 so you wouldn't opkg install it easily even with buildhost running Mar 02 17:25:31 ah ok Mar 02 17:25:43 so i'll have to extract my contacts manually from the vcf Mar 02 17:25:56 mickey|zzZZzz, ping Mar 02 17:26:05 I think that if someone finds sponsor with faster server than we would gladly use it, but without it we really apreciate what we have from bearstech Mar 02 17:26:17 btw. i don't really like the way illume2 has a top and a bottom bar which takes up precious screen space ;( Mar 02 17:26:43 and I'm not sacrifising my home workstation :P and also my upload sucks Mar 02 17:26:50 well anyway - get to go know - happy coding Mar 02 17:26:54 -k Mar 02 17:29:51 buildhost down? Mar 02 17:30:05 DocScrutinizer: reboot Mar 02 17:30:10 aah Mar 02 17:30:37 ETA? Mar 02 17:32:51 seems totake a while to boot Mar 02 17:33:16 fsk? Mar 02 17:33:21 fsck? Mar 02 17:35:46 DocScrutinizer: yes and then maybe memtest Mar 02 17:35:54 OMFG Mar 02 17:36:15 still better than python segfaulting every second package Mar 02 17:37:18 could somebody up a /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml of TESTING, please? to pastebin or sth Mar 02 17:38:26 It really hurts (don't ask where) to see alabd desparately searching for this tiny file Mar 02 17:39:54 * JaMa off Mar 02 17:43:12 docscrutinizer thanks Mar 02 17:48:02 mrmoku|away, take a look at contacts view :P Mar 02 17:55:11 DocScrutinizer: do you still need that file? Mar 02 17:55:46 zeusone: alabd still looking for it, yes Mar 02 17:56:19 I just finished downloading 2010-02-25.tar.gz Mar 02 17:56:27 I'll send to pastebin Mar 02 17:56:39 zeusone: cool. :-D Mar 02 17:57:31 thanks Mar 02 17:57:32 DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/NL9icsrk Mar 02 17:57:42 you're welcome Mar 02 17:57:47 zeusone: docScrutinizer thank s god peace you Mar 02 17:58:00 :) Mar 02 17:58:40 zeusone: is it from shr-testing Mar 02 17:58:46 yes Mar 02 18:00:12 DocScrutinizer, since I was at work could you please repeat what I have to do before reporting that bug? Mar 02 18:00:16 setting local time or timezone? Mar 02 18:00:21 sorry can't remember Mar 02 18:00:31 :( Mar 02 18:00:48 yes, and then check if shr-settings behaves after you did Mar 02 18:01:22 OT: I just bought: Mar 02 18:01:24 http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169416100 Mar 02 18:01:25 http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169417100 Mar 02 18:01:29 for my brother :) Mar 02 18:01:53 He got recruited to the army yesterday :| Mar 02 18:02:02 TAsn: how's TZ set in SHR nowadays? Mar 02 18:02:13 fso Mar 02 18:02:17 otimed Mar 02 18:02:18 does it Mar 02 18:02:21 we don't touch it Mar 02 18:02:22 TAsn: sure he'll need a gaming mouse there? Mar 02 18:02:56 PaulFertser, it's ok, he's what we call "jobnick" he comes home every day Mar 02 18:03:30 TAsn: so there's still no decent way in settings or first-boot to override that insane automatism? ;-/ Mar 02 18:03:35 TAsn: :D Mar 02 18:04:01 PaulFertser, he's not physically fit to serve in the field Mar 02 18:04:04 :P Mar 02 18:04:13 DocScrutinizer, No :( Mar 02 18:04:24 DocScrutinizer, Because it'll get overwritten by fso anyway Mar 02 18:04:33 DocScrutinizer, simple solution: Mar 02 18:04:40 ping dos to add it :) Mar 02 18:05:06 so can you walk graziano tru setting a fixed correct TZ? Mar 02 18:05:30 sorry about that I know you really have most important things to do :( Mar 02 18:05:38 I forgot that foo to disable auto-TZ setting Mar 02 18:06:29 graziano: nevermind. That's a severe usability problem you brought up here Mar 02 18:06:42 maybe even a bug in SHR-settings Mar 02 18:06:50 ah ok Mar 02 18:07:06 it's a pleasure to be of some help :) Mar 02 18:07:51 sorry I can't help better, got no SHR system running here ATM Mar 02 18:08:09 graziano, sure thing Mar 02 18:08:17 graziano, vim /etc/frameworkd.conf Mar 02 18:09:02 change "zonesources = GSM" to "zonesources = " Mar 02 18:09:06 (or maybe remove it, no idea) Mar 02 18:09:09 and then Mar 02 18:09:19 set like you would in a normal linux box Mar 02 18:09:23 link the timezone Mar 02 18:09:38 to /etc/timezone Mar 02 18:12:10 what was that "do not [link|copy] the timezone file, as it will bork" issue? Mar 02 18:12:27 no idea hwat you are talking about Mar 02 18:12:42 hmm, been long ago Mar 02 18:13:20 maybe even nonsense Mar 02 18:17:25 DocScrutinizer, I wonder, if I'll clear my sim, will it work faster? Mar 02 18:17:36 (maybe calypso loads/whatever it's content) Mar 02 18:17:47 By load I mean: cold boot -> register Mar 02 18:18:42 I don't think it'll make much of a difference. Anyway I don't really know. If you want to know for sure, you have to test it :-P Mar 02 18:18:56 nah Mar 02 18:19:00 too much work for nothing :P Mar 02 18:19:12 yep, prolly Mar 02 18:20:08 mickey|zzZZzz, $ mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook all Mar 02 18:20:09 Segmentation fault Mar 02 18:20:11 sucks :P Mar 02 18:20:31 TAsn: I think most time on registering is for scanning networks Mar 02 18:20:50 I know there was something with calypso Mar 02 18:20:55 taking ages to register sim Mar 02 18:21:00 or something like that Mar 02 18:21:04 And It's probably true Mar 02 18:21:10 as it always took ages Mar 02 18:21:13 until sim was ready for use Mar 02 18:21:27 though I seem to remember calypso stores last BTS to SIM, to check that one first on next registration Mar 02 18:22:10 DocScrutinizer: sounds like a potential privacy problem ;) Mar 02 18:22:44 very minor though Mar 02 18:22:48 lindi-: how can storing last BTS to your own SIM be a privacy problem? Mar 02 18:23:19 you can be using company sim Mar 02 18:23:28 ack Mar 02 18:23:35 and return it after use Mar 02 18:23:40 i c Mar 02 18:24:11 is this documented anywhere? Mar 02 18:25:19 errr, in Dieter's brain? :-P Mar 02 18:25:37 maybe I'm even completely wrong Mar 02 18:27:29 nah, seem to remember he told me that's a way maybe to force association to a specific cell Mar 02 18:35:54 btw TAsn aiui the sim is enabled first, then you send at+cfun=foo to start the GSM activity. scanning networks mustn't happen before you do that? or maybe it is other way round and it scans *all* networks for SOS only, until you enable registering? Mar 02 18:36:44 I have no idea :| Mar 02 18:39:05 can someone confirm me that it is just arrive an email on shr-devel with the estardict recipe? Mar 02 18:47:39 zeusone, confirmed. Mar 02 18:47:40 :P Mar 02 18:47:50 oh thanks! Mar 02 18:48:11 np, sorry for the delay :P Mar 02 18:48:58 graziano, pong Mar 02 18:50:07 TAsn: I hope that the format is good :) Mar 02 18:50:37 no idea :P Mar 02 18:50:38 I'm out. Mar 02 18:50:40 ciao. Mar 02 18:53:35 ciao Mar 02 18:53:58 TAsn: you fixed the resizing? Mar 02 18:57:58 partly Mar 02 18:58:08 I fixed it in my mind :P Mar 02 18:58:15 I learned how to use the hidden keys ;P Mar 02 18:58:21 (j/k: no;( ) Mar 02 18:58:37 ohh... open your mind and enlighten me :P Mar 02 18:59:23 :) Mar 02 18:59:27 We should ask raster. Mar 02 18:59:33 actually, I have, I think Mar 02 18:59:35 back Mar 02 19:00:33 TAsn: I asked him this morning Mar 02 19:00:39 he said it _should_ work Mar 02 19:00:43 I asked him a couple of days ago Mar 02 19:00:46 :P Mar 02 19:00:52 I know, it should Mar 02 19:00:56 but it doesn't :P Mar 02 19:01:03 I bet there's something we are doing wrong Mar 02 19:01:06 though it's hard to tell Mar 02 19:01:11 I wanted to take a look at that genlist clipping thing Mar 02 19:01:20 what genlist clipping? Mar 02 19:01:21 maybe it needs something like that Mar 02 19:01:23 well mostly it's something related to letting you do things TAsn :-) Mar 02 19:01:37 (wrt doing wrong) Mar 02 19:01:38 Ainulindale, referring to what? Mar 02 19:01:47 TAsn: how are you dude? :-) Mar 02 19:01:55 I'm great Mar 02 19:02:04 Just left my job :) Mar 02 19:02:11 Good :-) Mar 02 19:02:13 * TAsn needs an year off to study properly Mar 02 19:02:28 heh, youngsters Mar 02 19:02:34 :) Mar 02 19:02:40 I'm old :| Mar 02 19:02:43 too old Mar 02 19:02:56 how old are you again? Mar 02 19:03:07 22 Mar 02 19:03:13 (in 3 months) Mar 02 19:03:15 and you say you're old? Mar 02 19:03:21 I have an intern older than you are Mar 02 19:03:22 It's just that in Israel we have army service Mar 02 19:03:35 yeah but you'll avoid that with your studies right? Mar 02 19:03:37 so I started studying late comparing to you europeans :P Mar 02 19:03:48 Ainulindale, avoid what? Already finished it Mar 02 19:03:57 hmmm how long is it? Mar 02 19:04:01 3 years Mar 02 19:04:05 damn Mar 02 19:04:07 3 precious years Mar 02 19:04:10 And you can't avoid it by studying? Mar 02 19:04:14 no Mar 02 19:04:19 In France, if you studied you could avoid it Mar 02 19:04:25 You can't avoid it Mar 02 19:04:28 And anyways, I was born late enough to avoid doing it Mar 02 19:04:30 no matter what Mar 02 19:04:43 (unless you are mentally/physcally ill) Mar 02 19:04:51 physically* Mar 02 19:05:00 well you're an opensource user Mar 02 19:05:03 you're mentally ill Mar 02 19:05:25 Especially according to current us govt discussions about the topic Mar 02 19:05:35 (Open source is dangerous, etc...) Mar 02 19:05:37 heh :-) Mar 02 19:05:40 well in France Mar 02 19:06:08 the former minister of culture saud open source is great, and she said she liked the openoffice firewall Mar 02 19:06:12 s/saud/said/ Mar 02 19:06:13 Ainulindale meant: the former minister of culture said open source is great, and she said she liked the openoffice firewall Mar 02 19:06:28 Actually, telling them I develop software on my free time could have probably gotten me an exempt :P Mar 02 19:06:30 that tells you lots of thing about her level of knowledge :-) Mar 02 19:06:42 Ainulindale, *her*? Mar 02 19:06:49 *she*? Mar 02 19:06:51 yeah Mar 02 19:07:01 Wanna hear something funny? Mar 02 19:07:04 Shoot Mar 02 19:07:27 The head *scientist* of our ministry of education said: Mar 02 19:07:34 "Evolution is stupid, and obvious wrong" Mar 02 19:07:41 obviously* Mar 02 19:07:48 Well everybody knows Adam was the first man, that's true Mar 02 19:08:05 Although for my part I'm more a pastafarian kind of guy :-) Mar 02 19:08:16 Ainulindale, same here :) Mar 02 19:08:17 May he touch me with his noodly appenage Mar 02 19:08:19 +d Mar 02 19:08:22 Evolution is obviously wrong. My father created everything. How can people be so foolish? Mar 02 19:08:37 thrashold, men are sheep :P Mar 02 19:08:44 baaâââ Mar 02 19:08:46 for a moment, i was gonna say "yes", but obviously, you don't speak of gnome platform Mar 02 19:08:55 thrashold, They'll believe everything you tell them, even something as stupid as evolution Mar 02 19:09:17 misc, we were talking about open source software, of course we were talking about the gnome app Mar 02 19:09:26 gnome sucks Mar 02 19:09:30 so does python Mar 02 19:09:30 it was in response to " the former minister of culture saud open source is great, and she said she liked the openoffice firewall" Mar 02 19:09:34 Ainulindale, python rocks Mar 02 19:09:36 gnome sucks Mar 02 19:09:45 python sucks balls (and apples) Mar 02 19:09:45 Python is awesome. Gnome is nice, but I wouldn't use it Mar 02 19:09:45 (I use mostly/only gnome) Mar 02 19:09:55 I came to hate gnome Mar 02 19:09:56 Ainulindale: well, i do not know where you go at night, but that's likely illegal to do that with animals and short people Mar 02 19:10:07 :-) Mar 02 19:10:12 Mostly, the Fucking Blueboy Mar 02 19:10:16 misc, he's french, they do a lot of crazy stuff Mar 02 19:10:18 (mais cela ne nous regarde pas) Mar 02 19:10:25 TAsn: Guess what. Mar 02 19:10:55 mais cela ne nous regarde pas <-- what does this mean? Mar 02 19:11:01 It's a quote Mar 02 19:11:14 Stupid quote but misc should get it Mar 02 19:11:18 yeah :) Mar 02 19:11:26 mind translating? :P Mar 02 19:11:32 Nah, he's french, that helps. Mar 02 19:11:34 TAsn: this is not our business Mar 02 19:11:42 luckily for us Mar 02 19:11:48 google is against privacy Mar 02 19:11:54 TAsn: that comes from a french humorist group Mar 02 19:11:57 and I'll use their tools to find out your secrets Mar 02 19:12:25 We have no secrets Mar 02 19:12:29 misc is my beer pimp Mar 02 19:12:43 but this does not concern us Mar 02 19:12:44 know as "les inconnus", in a sketch about sport journalists, they start by telling "yes we heard that about him, bla bla" and each time they stop, telling that not their business, and start again telling stuff Mar 02 19:12:44 When I'm out of gas he's rushing around to find me some leffe Mar 02 19:12:45 ^ Mar 02 19:12:46 :) Mar 02 19:13:26 (that what google gave me) Mar 02 19:13:46 guess google is better than me to translate :/ Mar 02 19:13:57 kinda :-) Mar 02 19:14:01 that's because you do python Mar 02 19:14:02 python sucks Mar 02 19:14:07 hence logic applies, you suck as well Mar 02 19:14:49 well, since i suck and I am french Mar 02 19:14:54 and you are too Mar 02 19:14:58 damn he got me Mar 02 19:14:59 logic applies :) Mar 02 19:15:10 yeah but I'm red Mar 02 19:15:13 hence I have no soul Mar 02 19:15:18 Hence I'm exempted Mar 02 19:15:46 heyho Mar 02 19:16:20 Ainulindale, you are red? Mar 02 19:16:22 what does that mean? Mar 02 19:16:57 red-haired Mar 02 19:17:38 damned, i mostly missed south park Mar 02 19:19:30 misc, happened to me with family guy today :( Mar 02 19:21:35 bahh, now some muxer pkg fails to compile. I think I am cursed Mar 02 19:36:49 TAsn, take a look at this picture: http://build.shr-project.org/fsoshrudcon/TheGuys.jpg Mar 02 19:36:56 there's only one red Mar 02 19:37:00 I know Mar 02 19:37:08 And I also knew Ainulindale is a ginger Mar 02 19:37:13 I just didn't know it's called "red" Mar 02 19:37:20 Here we call it "Orange" Mar 02 19:37:21 :) Mar 02 19:37:45 Who's the kid with the long hair in the middle Mar 02 19:37:50 ? Mar 02 19:37:53 Deubeuliou Mar 02 19:38:10 and the barefoot one at the left? Mar 02 19:38:23 Some guy whose name I can't recall from pyneo Mar 02 19:38:37 and the guy with the goatee behind Deubeuliou ? Mar 02 19:38:42 A gay guy Mar 02 19:38:48 alphasomething Mar 02 19:38:59 alphaone <- ? Mar 02 19:39:00 :-) Mar 02 19:39:03 TAsn: barefoot guy is Michael Mar 02 19:39:03 :) Mar 02 19:39:17 PaulFertser: hey you o/ Mar 02 19:39:17 He's really tall :P Mar 02 19:39:29 Oh yeah Mar 02 19:39:32 Someone should really tag this pic Mar 02 19:39:36 Ainulindale: hi, long time no see Mar 02 19:39:39 thanks for the md5sums on the files. Mar 02 19:39:59 PaulFertser: kinda yes :-) Mar 02 19:40:43 on the left is emdete from pyneo Mar 02 19:55:46 mrmoku, still here? Mar 02 19:56:44 DOcScrutinizer didn't work with that rules file also , the same error http://pastebin.com/apnqis3Q Mar 02 19:57:08 good day all Mar 02 19:59:10 TAsn: yup Mar 02 19:59:19 look at my Q in e Mar 02 19:59:27 + how can I find out the size of an object? Mar 02 19:59:59 + I'm working on contacts, I hope you don't mind, I just wanted to know how's messages going Mar 02 20:02:27 TAsn: messages are pending the resizing fix Mar 02 20:02:38 don't mind about that Mar 02 20:02:38 other than that I might push it Mar 02 20:02:40 work around it Mar 02 20:02:46 if it works Mar 02 20:02:46 how? Mar 02 20:02:54 push to a branch Mar 02 20:02:59 I meant, work around it mentally Mar 02 20:03:03 :P Mar 02 20:03:04 just don't give a damn :P Mar 02 20:03:09 until we figure this out Mar 02 20:04:18 evas_object_geometry_get <--- getting size Mar 02 20:05:12 so I just wonder, about my Q in #e ;P Mar 02 20:06:27 mrmoku, spaetz: be aware that with newer kernel on shr buildhost (2.6.26) there is default non-zero mmap_min_addr Mar 02 20:07:39 mrmoku, spaetz: so sanity check will refused to build everything.. already asked lukhas to set it 0 or install new enough qemu (or hopefully there will be new qemu-native in OE before we need eglibc upgrade/rebuild) Mar 02 20:10:26 oh crap, eglibc was bumped 2 hours ago.. Mar 02 20:11:36 yay :) Mar 02 20:11:42 maybe that'll fix locale issue Mar 02 20:11:45 oh crap indeed Mar 02 20:11:53 how to know if devices are paired or not ? Mar 02 20:12:50 TAsn: no Mar 02 20:13:11 perhaps we should go away from merging oe.dev every few hours again... Mar 02 20:13:13 TAsn: http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=e1b0916de8bb374d7b37393aca80fe5378668b6e Mar 02 20:13:32 spaetz: but our all commits still needs to go to oe.dev :) Mar 02 20:13:40 TAsn: Hi, trying to compile shr lite image failes because some includes are missing Mar 02 20:13:49 spaetz: I won't merge and resolve all conflicts again :/ Mar 02 20:13:50 JaMa, so who cares? :P Mar 02 20:14:59 TAsn: I'm not complaining about eglibc being bumped.. I was just hoping that we will have enough time to setup buildhost properly before it happens and it's already there :) Mar 02 20:16:26 nschle85, which? Mar 02 20:16:41 TAsn: files.inc and bison.inc Mar 02 20:17:24 TAsn: todays e17 fails to start :/ Enlightenment cannot initialize the FDO desktop system. Perhaps you are out of memory? Mar 02 20:17:35 TAsn: so cannot test you the utf8 issue :/ Mar 02 20:17:42 nschle85: fix is already in oe.dev Mar 02 20:17:47 mmt I'll merge it Mar 02 20:17:51 mrmoku, !!! elm_widget_resize_object_set Mar 02 20:17:53 ffs Mar 02 20:17:58 that's what we were missing :) Mar 02 20:18:02 (I think) Mar 02 20:18:06 JaMa: thank you Mar 02 20:18:46 mrmoku, try if it works for you Mar 02 20:18:50 I'm reading more Mar 02 20:18:53 trying to figure out stuff Mar 02 20:24:48 nschle85: try again Mar 02 20:26:08 JaMa: ok, errors are gone :-) Mar 02 20:27:04 any opinion Mar 02 20:27:06 ? Mar 02 20:27:48 TAsn: can't be because elm_widget stuff is internal, no? Mar 02 20:28:09 yeah don't mind me Mar 02 20:28:19 was going through internal widgets design Mar 02 20:28:23 to figure out what's going on :| Mar 02 20:28:51 alabd: I've seen this question already in the morning or maybe it was yesterday, with pretty good answers, why are you asking again? Mar 02 20:29:14 TAsn: I think I know what fixes it :P Mar 02 20:29:22 really? Mar 02 20:29:27 try to set the parts to fixed: 1 1; Mar 02 20:29:34 you are old Mar 02 20:29:36 tried that ages ago Mar 02 20:29:37 :P Mar 02 20:29:50 hmm... it works now though :P; Mar 02 20:29:50 mind paste binning your code? Mar 02 20:29:51 cause of mdbus -s org.bluez /org/bluez/1478/hci0/dev_00_1F_E1_C0_FE_12 Mar 02 20:29:52 org.bluez.Device.GetProperties Mar 02 20:29:52 gives error now after editing rules file but it was working before editing today Mar 02 20:30:01 TAsn: moment Mar 02 20:30:05 mrmoku, please pastebin your code and edc Mar 02 20:30:10 (relevant parts only please) Mar 02 20:30:16 whole function of init Mar 02 20:30:22 and whole part in edc Mar 02 20:30:39 DocScrutinizer, I changed my timezone to Europe rome (which is GMT+1) and rebooted. Now both date and hwclock gives me one hour after the current time Mar 02 20:30:45 I think it's fair Mar 02 20:31:19 http://pastebin.com/apnqis3Q JaMa ^ Mar 02 20:31:44 graziano, changed what I said in frameworkd.conf? Mar 02 20:31:45 TAsn: trying first a last thing Mar 02 20:31:51 because I did two changes Mar 02 20:31:55 TAsn, yes but a weird thing is happening Mar 02 20:32:18 I changed frameworkd.conf in the way you told me, copied the local timezone and rebooted. Mar 02 20:32:25 then when I gave Mar 02 20:32:47 date or hwclock ok the time is one hour after current time 10:30pm but it's 9:30 pm here Mar 02 20:32:50 weird thing is this Mar 02 20:32:54 please show the output of date Mar 02 20:33:01 settings - date and time Mar 02 20:33:06 set Mar 02 20:33:13 I change the clock time and click ok Mar 02 20:33:32 the time then displays 00:00 Mar 02 20:33:49 no Mar 02 20:33:57 it was only for a second Mar 02 20:34:06 now it's back 9:33 pm Mar 02 20:34:16 but Mar 02 20:34:23 date shows 21:34 Mar 02 20:34:26 hwclock 22:34 Mar 02 20:34:37 both CET 2000 Mar 02 20:34:55 TAsn: yeah, setting to fixed: 1 1 is enough :) pastebinning now Mar 02 20:34:57 JaMa: TAsn docScrutinizer solved thanks Mar 02 20:35:04 TAsn: and btw. yes I *am* old ;) Mar 02 20:35:52 alabd, np :P Mar 02 20:35:54 PaulFertser: solved the number 1478 /org/bluez/1478/hci0/dev_00_1F_E1_C0_FE_12 changes so ... Mar 02 20:36:04 graziano, actual output plesae :P Mar 02 20:36:12 TAsn: the edc: http://shr.pastebin.com/D0wrApPg Mar 02 20:36:13 date shows 21:34 Mar 02 20:36:15 hwclock 22:34 Mar 02 20:36:25 actual output :P Mar 02 20:36:29 I want to see the timezone Mar 02 20:36:30 oh sorry Mar 02 20:36:35 it thinks it found Mar 02 20:37:02 mrmoku, and where was your issue? Mar 02 20:37:13 and code: http://shr.pastebin.com/EFUWepqK Mar 02 20:37:14 date: Sat Jan 1 21:37:00 CET 2000 Mar 02 20:37:26 hwclock: Sat Jan 1 22:37:24 2000 0.000000 seconds Mar 02 20:37:35 TAsn: my issue was stuff sizing out of the window Mar 02 20:37:47 btw Mar 02 20:37:51 fixed: 1 1; Mar 02 20:37:54 is mostly a hack in my pov Mar 02 20:39:22 alabd: i think the wiki has the relavant info about obtaining that number in easy and reliable way. Mar 02 20:39:42 mrmoku, it just says "don't resize according to object" Mar 02 20:40:03 which generally means: "oops, something went wrong, let's not let it go wild" Mar 02 20:40:19 TAsn: for now I really don't care :P Mar 02 20:40:26 neither do I Mar 02 20:41:11 TAsn, Mar 02 20:41:12 PaulFertser: yes obtained it but humble don't each time it changes anyway now here asked to .state file in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ but there is not such folder in shr-t http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#State_file Mar 02 20:41:18 date: Sat Jan 1 21:37:00 CET 2000 Mar 02 20:41:20 hwclock: Sat Jan 1 22:37:24 2000 0.000000 seconds Mar 02 20:41:28 what's CET 2000? what you need? Mar 02 20:41:37 alabd: do not touch rules file and state file. Mar 02 20:41:43 alabd: everything is there for you already Mar 02 20:41:47 err GNUtoo help :( Mar 02 20:41:52 s/don't/didn't know Mar 02 20:42:03 Tue Mar 2 22:41:17 IST 2010 Mar 02 20:42:07 mine ^ Mar 02 20:42:16 Israel Standard Time Mar 02 20:42:20 updated to 2010 Mar 02 20:42:21 :) Mar 02 20:42:23 (I think) Mar 02 20:42:26 PaulFertser: but wiki says shr-unstable does not require changes but this is shr-t Mar 02 20:42:35 alabd: it was written half a year ago. Mar 02 20:42:40 graziano_free, yes? Mar 02 20:42:48 graziano, yours is Central European Time or something, I assume Mar 02 20:42:50 alabd: since then shr-t was updated several times. Mar 02 20:43:22 TAsn, then I think it's correct... Mar 02 20:43:35 PaulFertser: humble don't have default rules file but have rules file from git is it ok ? Mar 02 20:43:38 I live i Italy and I set Europe Rome as timezone Mar 02 20:43:39 I assume so, though I wonder why it's UTC -1 then :| Mar 02 20:43:54 graziano_free, google for setting time Mar 02 20:44:10 that's what I usually do :) Mar 02 20:44:17 alabd: yes Mar 02 20:44:22 thanks Mar 02 20:44:27 alabd, I think wiki is outdated refering to bluez Mar 02 20:44:41 it's still saying that number in object paths is the pid, which is not Mar 02 20:45:24 pespin__: hi devices are paired what should be done also now to use headset ? Mar 02 20:45:48 alabd, you can try emtooth and see if there's any bug :P Mar 02 20:45:49 pespin: the wiki has it corrected along with the proper way to get the number. Mar 02 20:46:10 PaulFertser, oh ok, it wasn't last time I looked afair :) Mar 02 20:46:14 pespin: PaulFertser is this step required http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Configuring_bluez Mar 02 20:48:31 TAsn, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_European_Time Mar 02 20:48:44 I believe you it's ok Mar 02 20:48:48 Weiss: I can confirm that KMS works with those 2 commits from last night and shr is not affected with that issue Mirv had Mar 02 20:48:50 I just wonder what the 2000 means Mar 02 20:48:57 the year Mar 02 20:49:09 I think it's 2010 Mar 02 20:49:11 :P Mar 02 20:49:24 in shr settings I have Mar 02 20:49:25 alabd, I think org.bluez.Audio.Connect should do the work, but not sure, don't have a bt headset (that's why I'm asking you to try emtooth and see if it works :P) Mar 02 20:49:27 21:49 Mar 02 20:49:29 set time Mar 02 20:49:30 date Mar 02 20:49:38 saturday, 01 January 2000 Mar 02 20:49:44 but while set time is a button Mar 02 20:49:50 I don't see a button to adjust the date Mar 02 20:49:54 graziano_free, stop handling with nonsense Mar 02 20:50:03 google for setting timezone + time Mar 02 20:50:07 and you'll get what you need Mar 02 20:50:13 pespin: what works and paired devices Mar 02 20:50:27 alabd, sorry? Mar 02 20:50:46 s/what/emtooth Mar 02 20:51:13 you can Audio.Connect with it too, I think it's necessary Mar 02 20:51:32 how ? which part ? Mar 02 20:52:10 alabd, there's a toggle whith a label in its left called "Audio Connect" in device window Mar 02 20:52:26 under Paired toggle Mar 02 20:52:33 mrmoku, spaetz: buildhost still segfault everywhere.. reported on #bearstech :/ Mar 02 20:52:37 (make sure you are using rev svn65) Mar 02 20:53:17 TAsn, ok date set Mar 02 20:53:19 Tue Mar 2 21:53:04 CET 2010 Mar 02 20:53:26 with the date command Mar 02 20:53:42 timezone is correct, I compared the hases of Rome and localtime Mar 02 20:53:51 pespin: used this http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/emtooth_0.1+svnr46-r0.4_armv4t.ipk Mar 02 20:54:03 that's quite old Mar 02 20:54:41 hwclock still says one hour back, should I change it with hwclock too? Mar 02 20:54:57 yes, try it Mar 02 20:55:01 try to make everything correct :) Mar 02 20:55:19 alabd, revision 65 is in shr feeds (well, in case there's feed at all now in shr buildhost :P) Mar 02 20:55:43 TAsn, ok hwclock: Tue Mar 2 21:55:28 2010 0.000000 seconds Mar 02 20:55:50 mrmoku, no go for me :| Mar 02 20:56:01 graziano, UTC is 21:55 now? Mar 02 20:56:06 not 20:55? Mar 02 20:56:13 pespin: opkg install http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/emtooth_0.1+svnr65-r0.4_armv4t.ipk will remove prev version ? Mar 02 20:56:16 I'm UTC+2 and here it's 22:55 Mar 02 20:56:28 alabd, hope so Mar 02 20:57:11 graziano, hwclock SHOULD says 1 hour back Mar 02 20:57:21 TAsn, my current time on the wall clock is 21:56, UTC = 20:56 GMT+1=CET=21:56 imho Mar 02 20:57:26 (may hwclock says 2 hour back) Mar 02 20:57:31 and its nice, and correct Mar 02 20:57:39 I don't understand at all Mar 02 20:57:40 if you have correct /etc/localtime Mar 02 20:57:46 pespin: maybe opkg remove --force-removal-of-dependent-packages is better Mar 02 20:57:50 graziano, so hwclock should say Mar 02 20:57:52 20:56 Mar 02 20:58:06 today I reported a possible bug because I said my shr testing clock was not reporting the time I set it to after a reboot Mar 02 20:58:10 graziano, opkg list_installed | grep tzdata Mar 02 20:58:17 si DocScrutinizer told me a possible solution could be to do a Mar 02 20:58:29 hwclock --systohc Mar 02 20:58:35 and I said that its wrong Mar 02 20:58:37 and this solved the time problem even after reboot Mar 02 20:58:38 alabd, I think install new one is ok, it will upgrade it Mar 02 20:58:49 and should be uses hwclock --utc --systohc Mar 02 20:58:55 and *correct* /etc/localtime Mar 02 20:59:05 then DocScrutinizer told me to try setting my timezone correctly and then to try again changing time in shr setting Mar 02 20:59:16 so I changed my timezone to europe rome correctly Mar 02 20:59:20 rebooted Mar 02 20:59:30 and they clock have 1 hour problem Mar 02 20:59:32 yes?) Mar 02 20:59:47 date was fine, hwclock was Mar 02 21:00:20 date was fine = date: Sat Jan 1 21:37:00 CET 2000 Mar 02 21:00:26 pespin: humble have changed shr-t rules file it does not make sense ? Mar 02 21:00:28 hwclock= hwclock: Sat Jan 1 22:37:24 2000 0.000000 seconds Mar 02 21:01:01 then TAsn complained about the 2000 so I used date to set a correct year too Mar 02 21:01:05 pespin: Collected errors: Mar 02 21:01:05 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for emtooth: Mar 02 21:01:06 * libc6 (>= 2.11) * Mar 02 21:01:22 and I asked: should I set the hwclock to 21:37 too using hwclock? Mar 02 21:01:27 alabd, I think the package is packaged for shr-u :S Mar 02 21:01:31 root@om-gta02 ~ $ date Mar 02 21:01:31 Tue Mar 2 22:48:43 IST 2010 Mar 02 21:01:31 root@om-gta02 ~ $ hwclock Mar 02 21:01:31 Tue Mar 2 23:01:00 2010 0.000000 seconds Mar 02 21:01:33 hwclock still says one hour back, should I change it with hwclock too? Mar 02 21:01:33 yes, try it Mar 02 21:01:33 try to make everything correct :) Mar 02 21:01:34 mine Mar 02 21:01:35 wth Mar 02 21:01:38 yes Mar 02 21:01:41 sure Mar 02 21:02:22 TAsn, yor hwclock and date has crazy diff) Mar 02 21:02:26 alabd, anyway, if you cannot use emtooth now, do it wit mdbus. it org.bluez.Audio.Connect in remote device object path Mar 02 21:02:38 max_posedon, Yes, I don't know what's wrong Mar 02 21:02:51 IST = UTC+2 btw Mar 02 21:02:59 alabd, and I'd love you to report how does it work with emtooth when you get it to run ;) Mar 02 21:03:04 * pespin goes having dinner Mar 02 21:03:10 TAsn, every suspend generates 10s lag Mar 02 21:03:22 really? Mar 02 21:03:26 well, I suspend a lot Mar 02 21:03:27 :| Mar 02 21:03:29 pespin: wait Mar 02 21:03:40 root@om-gta02 ~ $ date Mar 02 21:03:40 Tue Mar 2 23:03:22 EET 2010 Mar 02 21:03:40 root@om-gta02 ~ $ hwclock Mar 02 21:03:40 Tue Mar 2 21:03:25 2010 0.000000 seconds Mar 02 21:03:40 root@om-gta02 ~ $ hwclock -u Mar 02 21:03:41 Tue Mar 2 23:03:27 2010 0.000000 seconds Mar 02 21:03:46 my only question: is this a bug and someone here has to told dos1 about it to fix shr-settings or not? Mar 02 21:03:46 graziano, look here Mar 02 21:03:48 DocScrutinizer, ^ Mar 02 21:03:59 graziano_free, shr-settings correct! Mar 02 21:04:14 you hwclock and TZ is wrong Mar 02 21:04:20 look at my output Mar 02 21:04:26 pespin: http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr/armv4t/libc6_2.11-r9.1.4_armv4t.ipk installed and Installing emtooth (0.1+svnr65-r0.4) to root... Mar 02 21:04:26 OK now reboot Mar 02 21:04:53 graziano_free, do you interested in steps to make your time correct? I can give them Mar 02 21:05:17 max_posedon, my TZ is set correctly to Europe, Rome I compared the Rome one inside /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe and the /etc/localtime Mar 02 21:05:26 alabd: this way is much better to upgrade from shr-u feeds.. Mar 02 21:05:28 hashes match Mar 02 21:05:33 graziano_free, plz show Mar 02 21:05:42 JaMa: no problem had done Mar 02 21:05:42 date; hwclock; hwclock -u Mar 02 21:05:57 date: Tue Mar 2 22:05:52 CET 2010 Mar 02 21:06:22 alabd: I mean, that with this cherry-picky from my experimental feeds you will get unbootable image soon.. Mar 02 21:06:22 hwclock: Tue Mar 2 22:06:08 2010 0.000000 seconds (I MANUALLY set it this way, before it was different) Mar 02 21:06:40 and hwclock -u? Mar 02 21:06:41 hwclock -u: Tue Mar 2 23:06:34 2010 0.000000 seconds Mar 02 21:06:46 you see? Mar 02 21:07:20 I said at morning, hwclock SHOULD go in utc time Mar 02 21:07:30 your hwclock doesn't Mar 02 21:07:43 after I rebooted after I changed my timezone Mar 02 21:07:50 JaMa: Fortunately libc6 upgraded without any dependencies and problem until now after reboot shr is ok Mar 02 21:08:07 date was date: Sat Jan 1 21:37:00 CET 2000 hwclock was hwclock: Sat Jan 1 22:37:24 2000 0.000000 seconds Mar 02 21:08:18 graziano_free, ok, once more Mar 02 21:08:27 1. shr-settings works Mar 02 21:08:46 2. you have problems with hwclock and TZ (think about them in pair) Mar 02 21:09:04 3. TZ should be set correctly (ok) Mar 02 21:09:14 SHR settings should save the time I set even after a reboot, Mar 02 21:09:20 by default Mar 02 21:09:22 this did not happen Mar 02 21:09:24 it does Mar 02 21:09:29 happen! Mar 02 21:09:42 max_posedon, I will put it like this Mar 02 21:09:49 please try to listen Mar 02 21:09:58 4. you set hwclock to use local time Mar 02 21:10:04 I'm listing, really Mar 02 21:10:08 pespin: everything was OK until emtooth said org. bluez error connect failed Mar 02 21:10:10 I know nothing, I am a user and I buy a freerunner, I insert sd card, sim and battery, install shr and switch it on Mar 02 21:10:23 clock is not set as it is not set in every phone you buy imho Mar 02 21:10:27 you set it Mar 02 21:10:29 graziano_free, ok, could you follow my commands? Mar 02 21:10:45 date -s 'correct time' Mar 02 21:10:52 the supposed behaviour is that the phone will save your time and a user is expected to see the same time after a reboot Mar 02 21:11:10 hwclock -u -w Mar 02 21:11:19 a normal user doesn't care about having to manually set things by terminal this should not happen Mar 02 21:11:19 after this 2 commands, all will always works Mar 02 21:11:39 ok, so, you don't want correct time? Mar 02 21:11:43 ... Mar 02 21:11:53 you want just speak here? Mar 02 21:12:14 time stuff always worked for me Mar 02 21:12:24 neo syncs time from gps Mar 02 21:12:33 fso syncs timezone from gsm Mar 02 21:12:42 all this works, when you use hwclock in UTC! Mar 02 21:12:49 and all works by default Mar 02 21:13:05 you! all times set hwclock in wrong way Mar 02 21:13:11 ... Mar 02 21:13:19 you must use hwclock -u -w Mar 02 21:13:23 not hwclock -w Mar 02 21:13:40 -w(Set hardware clock to system time) Mar 02 21:13:47 -u(Hardware clock is in UTC) Mar 02 21:14:42 pespin: seems emtooth can not pair now also Mar 02 21:14:45 so, just sate time any way you like (shr-settings/date -s/etc) Mar 02 21:14:45 alabd, that's bluez error. Retry some more times, it sometimes fail(close device window and set the toggle to On another time) Mar 02 21:14:50 and just run hwclock -u -w once Mar 02 21:15:01 then reboot anytimes you want - all will work Mar 02 21:15:21 (and fso runs this if you get gps fix) Mar 02 21:15:40 so, you can as normal user just do nothing, go outside and get fix) Mar 02 21:15:42 alabd, run emtooth in terminal as this: "emtooth 2>&1 | grep -v CRI" to get info about what's going wrong Mar 02 21:17:09 pespin: any rationale to use emtooth at all? Mar 02 21:18:18 pespin: first pairing error Mar 02 21:18:27 http://pastebin.com/GkD0AL8K Mar 02 21:18:30 pespin: i mean in a controlled environment, when you have your FR hooked to your laptop via usb, one can easily use simple-agent or something like that... Mar 02 21:19:26 PaulFertser: mdbus also can be used Mar 02 21:19:29 PaulFertser, yes, but as he has a bt headset and I don't, I'm seeing if emtooth works with it ;) Mar 02 21:19:48 pespin: now that's a decent reasoning ;) Mar 02 21:19:54 hehe :) Mar 02 21:20:06 pespin: but in fact he's using a software emulation on his laptop, not a real bt headset. Mar 02 21:20:09 pespin: what was error about ? Mar 02 21:20:35 alabd, hmm never got that error while coding and trying it, let me check bluez dbus api Mar 02 21:22:15 pespin: paired y bt-configure Mar 02 21:23:40 pespin: now conneting audio this error http://pastebin.com/p2Si54NS Mar 02 21:24:01 PaulFertser: pespin now am going to try mdbus Mar 02 21:25:37 maybe pespin this was required before http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Configuring_FSO Mar 02 21:26:35 My suspicion is that you're misinterpreting wiki instructions and that's the source of all the issues... Mar 02 21:26:36 alabd, error on pairing... that error is only defined in DiscoverServices method, which I'm not using :S Mar 02 21:30:49 PaulFertser: how to restart FSO here is said http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Configuring_FSO Mar 02 21:32:15 alabd: i do not remember the exact command but something like /etc/init.d/frameworkd restart Mar 02 21:33:51 how to /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop in shr ? Mar 02 21:35:20 alabd, better set Policy of Bluetooth resource to automatic Mar 02 21:35:30 then request it using fsoraw or opening emtooth Mar 02 21:35:41 Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so Mar 02 21:35:41 when requesting it, it starts bluetoothd Mar 02 21:35:48 any ideas what to install? Mar 02 21:36:09 no it's required to be restarted after editing one file Mar 02 21:37:15 alabd, yeah, but if Bluetooth resource is set to automatic, if you don't have any app requesting the resource, bluetoothd is stopped automatically Mar 02 21:37:22 about clock: does settings -> date and time -> set time set hardware clock(UTC) or the time-zoned software clock? Mar 02 21:37:37 so just close emtooth ot other apps which request it, and then request it to start it Mar 02 21:38:10 how to know if it is auto ? Mar 02 21:39:19 alabd, it's auto by default ;) Mar 02 21:39:20 pespin: how to audio connect with mdbus ? Mar 02 21:39:57 alabd, $ mdbus -s org.bluez /org/bluez/1450/hci0/dev_D4_9A_20_79_7F_A0 org.bluez.Audio.Connect Mar 02 21:44:47 pespin: http://pastebin.com/JX9jWhX0 Mar 02 21:45:19 pespin: so it is connected now what should be done ? Mar 02 21:46:17 alabd, try using intone (set Audio Bluetooth in its setting windows) and see if you get output Mar 02 21:47:29 PaulFertser: pespin now headset is connected congratulation TAsn Mar 02 21:47:44 :P Mar 02 21:47:47 grats to you Mar 02 21:48:04 alabd, please write how you did it somewhere relevant in wiki :P Mar 02 21:48:22 alabd, if you have only used Audio.Connect after pairing, it should work with emtooth then Mar 02 21:48:58 pespin: maybe that was cause of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Configuring_FSO Mar 02 21:49:04 and some other Mar 02 21:50:06 alabd, what did you do? change the default.yaml file? Mar 02 21:50:08 mrmoku, I found out what's wrong :P Mar 02 21:50:43 alabd, did you use the Headset interface in bluez? or only Audio? Mar 02 21:50:46 pespin: yes and sftp://root@192.168.0.202/etc/bluetooth/audio.conf Mar 02 21:53:22 about headset it is not a headset it is an app that make pc as headset http://nohands.sf.net/ until know in that app microphone does not work , Mar 02 21:54:05 maybe we should talk about it tomorrow that's pc problem not fr methink Mar 02 21:54:12 TAsn: tell me :) Mar 02 21:54:22 mrmoku, get ready for this :P Mar 02 21:54:31 the issue is that Mar 02 21:54:37 the pager would'n accept being smaller Mar 02 21:54:46 so I thought it's probably the list Mar 02 21:54:46 anyway pespin see you tomorrow yes? Mar 02 21:54:52 alabd, oh great, I looked at that app some time ago. Now I see it works I'll try it :) Mar 02 21:54:54 not accepting smaller size Mar 02 21:54:59 but after that, I found out Mar 02 21:55:04 that it's actually the buttons Mar 02 21:55:04 alabd, yes, I'm around here usually, ping me ;) Mar 02 21:55:07 that do that Mar 02 21:55:09 any idea about libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so? Nobody using A2DP under SHR? Mar 02 21:55:15 they have a minimum size set Mar 02 21:55:22 and they don't want to be any smaller :) Mar 02 21:55:32 heh, bad buttons :P Mar 02 21:55:33 so they forced all of the layout Mar 02 21:55:35 to be bigger Mar 02 21:55:37 pespin: it looks like that headset up is bluez3-specific though. No code updates for more than a year :( Mar 02 21:55:40 and overlap everything Mar 02 21:56:05 pespin: test that app on you'r pc , it seems to have problem here on laptop maybe tomorrow we can solve it Mar 02 21:56:59 now I just wonder what's the right way to set it Mar 02 21:57:05 I tried making it scale, but it won't Mar 02 21:57:43 PaulFertser, are you speaking about nohands? Mar 02 21:57:48 pespin: yse Mar 02 21:58:44 what a pity Mar 02 21:58:56 it would be great to have it together with laptop Mar 02 21:59:17 pespin: PaulFertser humble tested that app with sony phone it could dial from pc but seems sound is not ok mic and speaker ... would you test also .. maybe that's cause of ubuntu ALSA ... Mar 02 21:59:17 PaulFertser, could that be a weapon against buzzfix? :P (using bt microphone) Mar 02 21:59:43 pespin: against buzzfix? You want to have your buzz back? Mar 02 22:00:04 pespin: i guess no, with BT you'll get no buzz. Mar 02 22:00:06 alabd, I'm a bit busy this days, don't know if i'll have time Mar 02 22:00:14 PaulFertser: BT is good to have 0 SAR Mar 02 22:00:24 PaulFertser, against buzz hehe :P Mar 02 22:00:40 anyway Mar 02 22:00:46 alabd: BT emits some energy at 2.4GHz, i doubt that can be considered 0 SAR Mar 02 22:01:10 read somewhere Mar 02 22:01:12 anyway Mar 02 22:01:14 btw, with default audio config /scenariosfor shr-u, it's like having buzz xD Mar 02 22:01:15 alabd: but it's of course less than GSM, no doubt. Mar 02 22:01:38 pespin: i think it's better to do buzzfix as proposed. Mar 02 22:02:13 thanks a lot everybody PaulFertser pespin TAsn JaMa bye 4 now god peace you Mar 02 22:02:14 I have it done, but doesn't help a lot with default audio scenarios ;) Mar 02 22:02:29 and I'm too lazy to try calling and changing values Mar 02 22:08:37 mrmoku, super-ping Mar 02 22:11:18 TAsn: mega-pong Mar 02 22:11:42 I think I got it :P Mar 02 22:11:50 (after a long discussion in e) Mar 02 22:13:32 giga ping-pong. wow Mar 02 22:17:48 Mirv: when you compiled xf86-video-glamo, did you configure with --enable-kms? Mar 02 22:20:16 JaMa: thanks for testing.. Mar 02 22:21:45 the configure script for that part is a little convoluted and not necessarily correct.. Mar 02 22:24:25 mrmoku, done :P Mar 02 22:31:07 TAsn: how does one hardcode the size? Mar 02 22:31:31 I just told it it can assume buttons are 40 Mar 02 22:31:32 in height Mar 02 22:41:24 TAsn: pushing as I successfully sent a message :P Mar 02 22:41:24 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r266e245c10d1 10/ (11 files in 4 dirs): messages: convert to ui-utils (WIP) Mar 02 22:41:24 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * re50c0dbdb179 10/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge remote branch 'origin/contacts' into contacts Mar 02 22:41:25 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r2b456e6d8bf3 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge remote branch 'origin/contacts' into contacts Mar 02 22:41:26 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r289b19c1f621 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Merge remote branch 'origin/contacts' into contacts Mar 02 22:41:27 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r98520de69496 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): message-new-view: implement contacts and number pages Mar 02 22:41:35 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * rfa96d63c9e2a 10/src/view/contact-list-common.c: contact-list-common: initialize current Mar 02 22:41:35 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * re2c82358fa47 10/src/view/message-new-view.c: message-new-view: add the missing delete callback Mar 02 22:41:36 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r572d4339ea5f 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): contact-list-common: add the layout to the data and swallow the list and the index Mar 02 22:41:37 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r14284299e5c4 10/ (data/messages.edc src/view/message-new-view.c): message-new-view: re-add the titles to the pager pages and set stuff to fixed Mar 02 22:41:38 SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * rfa5a2061d5d6 10/src/view/message-new-view.c: message-new-view: close the view after sending the message Mar 02 22:41:42 mrmoku, master? Mar 02 22:41:49 or contacts? Mar 02 22:41:53 contacts Mar 02 22:42:01 phew :P Mar 02 22:42:40 and now I'm off to bed before you can complain ;) Mar 02 22:42:57 had to change something in contact list too Mar 02 22:43:22 night Mar 02 22:43:35 hopefully a good night again :) Mar 02 22:43:40 gnight all Mar 02 22:48:35 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * r5d3129341795 10/ (data/contacts.edc src/view/contact-view.c): Fixed the overflow issue in the contact-view screen Mar 02 22:48:35 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * rde705a1ca4f0 10/src/util/ui-utils.c: Added default basic size hints to ui-utils, just in case someone doesn't set a deafult size Mar 02 22:48:36 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * re4ea2c2a8f73 10/ (15 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'contacts' of git+ssh://git.shr-project.org/libphone-ui-shr into contacts Mar 02 22:56:48 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * rf0049ee48fe7 10/data/contacts.edc: Fixed file selector layout as well Mar 02 22:59:16 mrmoku|away, fixed a bug in messages list view :) Mar 02 23:01:05 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * r56f8fa35da5f 10/src/view/message-list-view.c: Message list view: if message is not read, verify it's an incoming message before marking as unread Mar 02 23:02:39 mrmoku|away, super awesome, thanks :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 03 02:59:58 2010