**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 08 02:59:57 2010 Mar 08 07:34:51 DocScrutinizer: hey, but what's wrong with the code? Mar 08 07:35:15 DocScrutinizer: (the latest pastebin about timetout in multiplexer) Mar 08 07:56:16 mrmoku|away, TAsn: what's cached in phoneuid, that it eats so much memory? now 30MB, (enlightenment 13MB, Xorg 4,5MB, all fso2 daemons 11MB, phonefsod 1,5MB) Mar 08 08:05:35 JaMa|Off, cached: all screens. Why it takes so much memory? no idea. It really shouldn't as 200 contacts < 200kb, 1 message < 1kb, and the edje is also small. Mar 08 08:05:47 I really don't get how it take so much memory, and it's not even memory leaks Mar 08 08:05:53 as even on startup it's a hog Mar 08 08:06:10 TAsn: I don't have opim runnning (maybe it should take even less memory :)) Mar 08 08:06:18 but don't worry, we'll take a look, we already wrote down we'll take a look. Mar 08 08:06:38 JaMa|Wrk, as I said, I don't think the contact/messages/whatever data is what takes the memory Mar 08 08:06:59 It's probably just heavy graphics or whatever Mar 08 08:07:05 I do intend to take a closer look Mar 08 08:07:23 TAsn: and phoneuid segfaulted for me when running frameworkd with only opim (not ogsmd - replaced with fsogsmd) Mar 08 08:07:38 I'll send exact error later.. Mar 08 08:07:42 thanks Mar 08 08:07:52 and it shouldn't seg Mar 08 08:07:55 at least it doesn't here Mar 08 08:08:01 I test it here with only opimd running Mar 08 08:08:03 nothing else Mar 08 08:08:07 you're running fsogsmd? Mar 08 08:08:09 ah ok Mar 08 08:08:09 (not even fso2 daemons) Mar 08 08:08:31 JaMa|Wrk, but I assume it's something they changed in fsogsmd Mar 08 08:08:37 mmt I'll try to make it segfault without touching UI :) Mar 08 08:08:44 and said nothing about it. :P Mar 08 08:09:06 sec, gtg, I have to take my motorcycle to the repair shop :| Mar 08 08:09:08 mickey said about differences and mrmoku has specs diff :) Mar 08 08:09:15 ffs Mar 08 08:09:17 so that's it :) Mar 08 08:09:34 JaMa|Wrk, mrmoku|away: please send me the specs diff Mar 08 08:09:35 :) Mar 08 08:09:44 ciao for the meanwhile Mar 08 08:09:51 yes but some differences I can replace with manual mdbus2 call Mar 08 08:10:05 but segfaulting phoneuid needs to be restarted after every call :) Mar 08 08:10:05 I care more about answers Mar 08 08:10:22 JaMa|Wrk, oh, seg after every call Mar 08 08:10:25 I think I fixed that Mar 08 08:10:33 (in contacts branch though) Mar 08 08:10:44 -2010-02-25:19:54 < mrmoku> mickeyl: http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/ogsmd-fsogsmd-differences-summary.txt Mar 08 08:11:16 ok, time to try contacts branch here ;) Mar 08 08:11:54 so nothing interesting in the change Mar 08 08:12:02 (I mean, nothing that can cause segs) Mar 08 08:12:03 anyhow, brb. Mar 08 08:12:12 yup Mar 08 08:12:40 and maybe it's not because running fsogsmd at all.. but it was my first test call in this year maybe :) Mar 08 08:13:07 ah no.. I did few test calls last time I was bored in train.. Mar 08 08:17:20 * JaMa|Wrk started frameworkd just to run ogpsd and opimd.. and now its mem usage is attacking whole enlightenment (13MB) with 12MB, gosh I love fso2 :) Mar 08 08:21:13 TAsn, mrmoku|away: another small issue which needs to be fixed for .32: 2010.03.08 08:19:19.296180 [libphone-ui] CRITICAL: ALSA: No control named 'Mono Mixer Sidetone Playback Sw' found - Sound state: 1 type: 1 Mar 08 08:21:33 22:16:30 < JaMa|Off> Heinervdm: Is there newer development somewhere, or is there really last commit in Sep2009? http://gitorious.org/webkit-efl/ Mar 08 08:21:58 22:20:15 < JaMa|Off> Heindervdm: I'm asking because with Ecore_data deprecated it won't build with any newer efl snapshot and I'm not going to migrate it to Eina just for OE patch sake.. Mar 08 08:22:25 JaMa|Wrk: i think it's really the last commit Mar 08 08:22:53 JaMa|Wrk: there was no reaction from the developers when i asked last time... Mar 08 08:23:15 hmm too bad :/ Mar 08 08:23:51 i will ask tonikitoo directly... Mar 08 08:31:28 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r374b6463544e 10/zhone2/src/ (Makefile.am callpage.vala main.vala mainpage.vala page.vala): zhone2: restructure the current implementation in different classes Mar 08 08:57:27 spaetz: opkg upgrade is not unpacking .ipks to ram anymore.., but I agree that swap is still usefull for other apps Mar 08 09:02:32 mmm new shr testing is out Mar 08 09:02:38 I will test it this evening Mar 08 09:04:58 PaulFertser: 1) jl_gene thinks the debug() doesn't show thus isn't executed 2)mc.iteration(false) is a really intransparent hack and I expect all kinds of sideeffects, even possible reentrant call of same code, 3) it Mar 08 09:05:27 's a bussy poll (no usleep ) Mar 08 09:05:58 DocScrutinizer: busy waiting is definetely nasty, no doubt in that. Mar 08 09:06:11 4) it's marked "i don't like that" ;-D Mar 08 09:06:15 DocScrutinizer: debug() observation is something i missed on the first read, yeah, strange, it should be there. Mar 08 09:06:49 DocScrutinizer: otoh debug() != logger.debug() so probably that's to be expected Mar 08 09:07:12 anyway when GNU/Linux mobile distros such as SHR will be ported to the palm pre or htc dream I think we should discuss about finger friendly or not. I will explain this Mar 08 09:07:18 DocScrutinizer: good morning btw :) Mar 08 09:07:32 PaulFertser: see backscroll or log for above quoted timestamp. We discussed all that Mar 08 09:07:38 moinmoin Mar 08 09:07:40 Currently the HTC Dream is not usable with a stylus but only with fingers, Mar 08 09:07:46 yet to wake up Mar 08 09:07:54 DocScrutinizer: i think i've read some. Though no usleep() doesn't exactly explain the missing reply. Mar 08 09:08:00 freerunner has all functions stylus friendly but only basic ones are finger friendly Mar 08 09:08:16 (same thing can be applied to games, apps and so on) Mar 08 09:08:39 so there will be a point where we should choose between getting rid of the stylus (as hardware and as interface) Mar 08 09:09:02 and maintain it, knowing that many new phones don't have one Mar 08 09:09:37 s/and/or Mar 08 09:10:01 mickey|zzZZzz: mickey|office could have some thoughts on this Mar 08 09:10:18 it's hard to rewrite all apps available for linux based phone to be finger friendly :) Mar 08 09:18:38 JaMa|Wrk: I know this, even if I am not a developer I use GNU/Linux :) Mar 08 09:18:53 I think there will be at some point the need to discuss future plans Mar 08 09:19:26 imagine using SHR on the htc dream Mar 08 09:19:37 that could be reality in this year Mar 08 09:20:09 then I don't understand that remark "10:09:13 < graziano> (same thing can be applied to games, apps and so on)" Mar 08 09:21:08 I think that goal to have finger friendly basic apps like phoneui, one browser, few favourite games where upstream is also finger friendly) is already pretty high goal Mar 08 09:22:34 ie ventura is more finger friendly than midori/dillo/links/eve/.. and other browsers whe have in feeds (and I wouldn't expect them all to be converted to be as finger friendly as ventura) Mar 08 09:33:01 JaMa|Wrk: I used android on the htc dream using fingers and SHR on freerunner using both finger and stylus Mar 08 09:33:14 some operations are quite hard or impossible to do without using a stylus Mar 08 09:34:14 so I was only discussing about the need to have a finger friendly distro and apps because in the near future we will have hardware without stylus Mar 08 09:34:27 graziano: and about what opperations are you talking about? Mar 08 09:34:43 I am not here to complain or remark or blame, I am here for open discussions about things, I really respect all the great work you are doing Mar 08 09:34:52 I think operations in the termial app don't count Mar 08 09:36:08 PaulFertser: I don't really understand vala paradigma of concurrent execution - maybe the iteration(false) creates a mutual exclusive busy loop blocking the ack evaluation or premature end of code and reentrance so the relevant lines after mc.iteration() are never executed. Mar 08 09:37:01 graziano: I understand that and agree for "basic apps", or maybe basic means something else for me :) Mar 08 09:37:33 DocScrutinizer: yes, may be. Though i guess it's not vala-specific, rather glib-specific. Mar 08 09:37:46 yep Mar 08 09:38:46 Good day all DocScrutinizer PaulFertser JaMa|Wrk ... Mar 08 09:38:55 moin alabd_ Mar 08 09:39:22 DocScrutinizer, here is 13:09 :D Mar 08 09:39:33 DocScrutinizer, moin Mar 08 09:39:33 graziano: for me basic apps are: telephony apps, 1 browser, 1 IM, 1 voip, 1 whatever common task on phone and I agree that those apps for common tasks installed by default in shr images should be choosen and modified if possible to be finger friendly Mar 08 09:39:36 ~UGC Mar 08 09:39:44 GMT Mar 08 09:39:46 ~UGT Mar 08 09:39:47 i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Mar 08 09:39:59 Heinervdm: keyboard? Connection management? Mar 08 09:40:08 alabd_: good day Mar 08 09:40:16 thanks paul Mar 08 09:40:22 graziano: but there is still use case for having links in feeds and maybe even full image by default, but nobody will ever modify links to be finger friendly Mar 08 09:40:26 graziano: the default keyboard is very fingerfrindly if you use the right dict Mar 08 09:40:30 alabd_: Good day to you Mar 08 09:41:27 Heinervdm, a problem occurred while upgrading bluez ... http://pastebin.com/thffdhwK Mar 08 09:41:34 JaMa|Wrk, thanks Mar 08 09:41:41 Heinervdm: what if I am writing an sms in Italian and I don't want to use a dictionary? Keys are too small and too near Mar 08 09:41:52 graziano: the same for games.. we can include few finger friendly games in std image and 3rd party rewrites of popular games are really welcome, but having other games even only stylus friendly is still better than nothing Mar 08 09:42:23 you tool graziano Heinervdm good day Mar 08 09:42:25 * JaMa|Wrk always use stylus even to touch the big illume buttons :/ Mar 08 09:42:45 alabd_: duh, you got a 30min-off TZ Mar 08 09:43:25 only thing I do without stylus is taping screen on random point with nail to unblank it, when I want to se if it's still running Mar 08 09:43:49 DocScrutinizer, here is 3:30+ GMT Mar 08 09:44:07 graziano: writing an SMS on a T9 phone in a foreign language is a pain too Mar 08 09:44:20 what should be done with this http://pastebin.com/thffdhwK Mar 08 09:44:33 alabd_: now the new testing is out, with that the package schould be installable Mar 08 09:45:00 JaMa|Wrk: fully agree with you on that game sentence Mar 08 09:45:29 graziano: and still not fully agree on "basic" definition? pff :) Mar 08 09:45:43 Heinervdm: please the defaul keyboard is NOT finger friendly. Come on. Have you ever used the touch keyboard of android or mac os mobile? THAT is a touch friendly keyboard Mar 08 09:46:13 graziano: use literki Mar 08 09:46:58 first of all, literki is not on shr testing, then the link on the wiki was broken, then I was able to install it and it's not easy to use, it never functioned for me Mar 08 09:47:03 graziano: btw I relly went nuts when I first time tried to write an SMS on a cryPhone Mar 08 09:47:03 so no, literki is not an option Mar 08 09:47:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Graziano#Different_Default_Keyboard Mar 08 09:47:19 I tried to list some options here Mar 08 09:47:48 graziano: what means "never functioned"? Mar 08 09:47:54 DocScrutinizer: I prefer hardware keyboards too but that is not the reason to not have a touch friendly one on FR :) Mar 08 09:48:21 literki Mar 08 09:48:49 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r657aaeacd53a 10/zhone2/src/ (main.vala mainpage.vala page.vala): zhone2: add basic transition mangement Mar 08 09:49:14 DocScrutinizer: literki... I installed it, then what? How is it suypposed to work? I open SMS, I open terminal, and I still see my default keyboard and not literki. I read that to bring it up you have to touch the lower left/right of the screen, can't remember Mar 08 09:49:31 and I know there are problems with touching the border of the screen, Mar 08 09:49:44 Heinervdm, you mean humble should reflash new shr-t ? Mar 08 09:49:46 is this something we define "finger friendly" or "user friendly"? Mar 08 09:49:55 graziano: it pops up when you slide lower right corner up - iirc (took me a while to figure that) Mar 08 09:50:13 * pabs3 would like literki more if the letters were semi-transparent Mar 08 09:51:04 DocScrutinizer: that shouldn't be necessary, focus on a text input field should be enough, like the E17 keyboard Mar 08 09:51:06 alabd_: i don't know how to solve your problem, and that's the only option i can think of. But you should know that Felix Huber has written that one needs also changes in frameworkd to get HFP working Mar 08 09:51:12 DocScrutinizer: anyway, we can't rely on something that needs to be installed later, if we want the device to be finger friendly by default (which is something there will be real need when FSO/SHR will be ported to non stylus devices) Mar 08 09:51:13 graziano: 1. click literki icon to enable. 2. whenever need kbd: slide from lower right corner up Mar 08 09:51:37 in a normal mobile os, the keyboard is there when you need it Mar 08 09:51:38 if literki is so popular it would be nice if someone sends a recipe for that :) Mar 08 09:51:41 * pabs3 doesn't use a stylus with thee FR Mar 08 09:51:51 you don't have to click an icon to activate it, slide a corner to show it up... Mar 08 09:52:20 what about usability? Please stop thinking like a developer for a second! Mar 08 09:52:24 :) Mar 08 09:52:37 Heinervdm, where has he written ? what changes ? Mar 08 09:52:59 alabd_: on bluez ML, he hasn't said what changes are needed Mar 08 09:53:41 graziano: I *always* think like a poweruser Mar 08 09:53:58 well think again Mar 08 09:54:06 if we want a distro usable by peopel Mar 08 09:54:12 you have to think as a normal user Mar 08 09:54:25 ehi there are plenty of mobile os out there Mar 08 09:54:30 Heinervdm, do you have his mail Mar 08 09:54:32 to stand out we need to be really good Mar 08 09:54:37 Mirv: wondering if this might be related to your crash with Literki: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=9623daad7c864d46b0dfcbb6e689820b96cc8115 Mar 08 09:54:58 and while I can't code and should just shut up here, I would like to insist on putting focus on usability where it is possible Mar 08 09:55:13 ack Mar 08 09:55:17 that is my suggestion that you are free to ignore :) Mar 08 09:55:32 alabd_: http://marc.info/?l=linux-bluetooth&m=126798267206371&w=2 Mar 08 09:55:54 cause I don't pretend to have *any* decisional power at all, and it's good and fair that I have not, Mar 08 09:56:14 I may only discuss things for you to branstorm Mar 08 09:56:31 than it's up to you to choose if you think are stupid ideas or good ones Mar 08 09:56:45 Heinervdm, thanks any bt headset works with HFP ? Mar 08 09:56:55 alabd_: no idea Mar 08 09:57:52 Heinervdm, thanks a lot Mar 08 09:57:56 bye 4 now all Mar 08 10:02:11 JaMa|Wrk, error message: I don't think I get it, but I'll check. Anyhow, it's a config issue :) Mar 08 10:02:32 JaMa|Wrk, how's the contact branch doing? is it any good? Mar 08 10:03:31 TAsn: I replaced it on phone.. but it's at home.. so without checking it in UI I don't see any difference :) Mar 08 10:03:40 :) Mar 08 10:04:04 but even without using any phoneui app it takes about 12MB now :/ Mar 08 10:04:20 graziano: please keep on pushing this. It's important Mar 08 10:04:29 just restarted phoneuid process after opkg upgrade to contacts branch Mar 08 10:05:07 graziano: though aiui SHR got really more severe usability issues atm, than just fingerfriendliness Mar 08 10:06:35 DocScrutinizer: thanks, I know there are many problems, since I can't code I can't understand or address the most difficult ones, so I chose to focus on an area where I could provide useful (imho) suggestions, leaving the difficult parts for the hardware hackers here Mar 08 10:06:39 graziano: and it seems coding keyboards isn't a very attractive task Mar 08 10:07:05 JaMa|Wrk, how much ram do we have on the FR? Mar 08 10:07:13 128, right? Mar 08 10:07:23 so this means you get 10% of mem usage? Mar 08 10:07:44 DocScrutinizer: I see, anyway I listed all of them, I think the first two are not so bad from a finger friendly point of view, but I am still waiting for some final feedback on the -user mailing list Mar 08 10:08:47 JaMa|Wrk, 9.1 here Mar 08 10:08:51 TAsn: yes Mar 08 10:08:56 just started everything, used maybe only contacts + dialer Mar 08 10:09:03 (9.1%) Mar 08 10:09:10 And yes, this is *a lot* Mar 08 10:09:19 and we'll find the source, don't worry. Mar 08 10:09:31 anyhow, gtg Mar 08 10:09:34 cya. Mar 08 10:09:42 TAsn: thanks, cya Mar 08 10:10:07 I did nothing :P Mar 08 10:10:08 but np. Mar 08 10:10:23 you promised :P Mar 08 10:10:41 * JaMa|Wrk noted "TAsn> and we'll find the source, don't worry." as promise :P Mar 08 10:13:12 * DocScrutinizer seems to recall e.g. settings preloading almost a dozen screens with all their graphics, objects, etc. Then just *hiding* everything. No wonder where the 12MB come from Mar 08 10:14:31 DocScrutinizer: but I just restarted that daemon and didn't use any app based on that Mar 08 10:15:41 check for processes "python foobar" Mar 08 10:15:55 you'll find quite some memhogs Mar 08 10:18:42 DocScrutinizer: last keyboard feedback was this mail: http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2010-March/003928.html but the previous one seems important too: http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2010-March/003922.html Mar 08 10:18:52 anyway still no final answer Mar 08 10:22:21 DocScrutinizer: I dont have any python running :) Mar 08 10:22:47 hmm, then that'S starting to get interesting Mar 08 10:22:50 DocScrutinizer: that's why I'm complaining about phoneuid when other mem eaters are gone :) Mar 08 10:23:41 top? Mar 08 10:24:18 JaMa|Wrk: [11:21:49] Heinervdm: webkit-efl is developped somewhere else internally and will be branched to webkit soon Mar 08 10:24:49 DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.ca/1828382 Mar 08 10:25:18 ~seen k-s Mar 08 10:25:19 hmm fsogsmd is missing :/ Mar 08 10:25:20 k-s was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 132d 23h 24m 52s ago, saying: 'https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5794'. Mar 08 10:26:18 ~seen k-s[AWAY] Mar 08 10:26:18 k-s[away] is currently on #maemo, last said: 'killfill: talk to morpheuz when he's online'. Mar 08 10:26:51 Heinervdm: ok "good", pity that we cannot bump EFL until they branch it.. Mar 08 10:27:24 JaMa|Wrk: he told me to ask k-s for a current snapshot Mar 08 10:29:03 JaMa|Wrk: oh well. The first 3 in that list :-/ Mar 08 10:30:52 Hi there! Where were the phone log & book & sms's of shr-testing? (planning to upgrade to the newest testing). Will the new -testing use those? Mar 08 10:32:30 graziano: I also feel some pain with the usability and can't code. I'd like to see c00l stuff on FR and some of it seems to be quite small changes requiring, but lack of devels ... :/ Mar 08 10:33:34 yes I perfectly know the situation, I am involved in gnewsense.org the GNU/Linux fully free distro endorsed by the FSF and we have the same problem Mar 08 10:34:43 DocScrutinizer: enlightenment is at least doing something.. but phoneuid was just started so there is something bad in it for sure Mar 08 10:36:23 DocScrutinizer, TAsn, mrmoku|away: just restarted fsodeviced and fsogsmd and phoneuid jumped +3MB http://pastebin.ca/1828389 Mar 08 10:37:57 but another restart didn't force it to eat another 3MB Mar 08 10:41:17 :-o Mar 08 10:42:15 rhkfin: blogging about FSO and SHR and openmoko etc. can be of help, sending mail, spreading the news etc. there are lots of ways to help that doesn't require coding Mar 08 10:54:03 graziano: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/tag/planet-openmoko/ <- have baan lazy lately.. Mar 08 11:17:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r221c8bcb3091 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/transport.vala: libfsotransport: make transport spec a class to play more nice with async Mar 08 11:17:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * reb56c9f786b4 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/ (basetransport.vala transport.vala): libfsotransport: provide an async way to open a transport Mar 08 11:17:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r1c9b65bdd709 10/gsm0710mux/ (channel.vala manager.vala multiplexer.vala): openChannel() is now an async function Mar 08 11:17:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r8de2ff3b444e 10/src/server.vala: org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.AllocChannel() is now processed async on server-side Mar 08 11:21:30 JaMa|Wrk, we know there's a leak somewhere, and we will track it, I run it with valgrind quite often, though there are a couple of issues we need to fix before we can really spot leaks. Mar 08 11:21:39 JaMa|Wrk, And yeah, my word is as good as a promise :P Mar 08 11:35:27 Unable to install gcc and gdb on SHR with libgcc1 Mar 08 11:35:43 any clue how to get it done ? Mar 08 11:36:14 root@om-gta02 /my_app/mp3_driver $ opkg install libgcc1 Package libgcc1 (4.4.2-r0.1.4) installed in root is up to date. root@om-gta02 /my_app/mp3_driver $ gcc -sh: gcc: not found root@om-gta02 /my_app/mp3_driver $ Mar 08 11:37:09 satish: fix your dns settings first Mar 08 11:39:44 JaMa|Wrk: how to do it ? Mar 08 11:39:58 JaMa|Wrk: let me google it Mar 08 11:41:39 satish: man resolv.conf on your desktop is as good as google Mar 08 11:42:03 JaMa|Wrk: ok Mar 08 11:49:43 JaMa|Wrk: i have the below entries in /etc/resolv.conf on om-gta02 Mar 08 11:49:46 nameserver 208.67.222.222 nameserver 208.67.220.220 Mar 08 11:51:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r525c37213b56 10/libfsotransport/fsotransport/commandqueue.vala: libfsotransport: command queue open/close/freeze/thaw now async Mar 08 11:51:14 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r495a37faa4e3 10/fsogsmd/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: catch up with new async stuff Mar 08 12:04:52 JaMa|Wrk: i didn't get much from man page on how to set the dns settings Mar 08 12:05:10 mickey|office: heh, is that related to the "i don't like that" ? Mar 08 12:09:20 JaMa|Wrk: can u tell me what is wrong with my /etc/resolv.conf file...it has 2 entries with nameserver Mar 08 12:11:49 satish, this dns is good Mar 08 12:11:52 it's opendns Mar 08 12:12:33 satish, and opkg install gcc gdb Mar 08 12:12:45 libgcc1 is not enough, it's just a dep. Mar 08 12:12:49 anyhow. I'm off, ciao. Mar 08 12:13:10 TAsn: hi Mar 08 12:13:15 TAsn: root@om-gta02 /my_app/mp3_driver $ opkg install gcc Collected errors: * Cannot find package gcc. Mar 08 12:13:21 Anyone able to tell me if SHR has plans to move phone book, SMS's etc to $HOME? Mar 08 12:13:23 opkg update first Mar 08 12:13:32 rhkfin, I can tell you that. Mar 08 12:13:39 rhkfin, Yes. :P Mar 08 12:14:02 and it's not really SHR Mar 08 12:14:05 but actually frameworkd Mar 08 12:14:11 i.e fso Mar 08 12:14:13 TAsn: ah, right :) Mar 08 12:14:45 but believe me Mar 08 12:14:55 I also hate needing to backup stuff other than home Mar 08 12:15:04 TAsn: do you know if it'll happen in ~immediate future (implemented already, not released?) or later? Mar 08 12:15:12 later Mar 08 12:15:15 not implemented Mar 08 12:15:16 ok, thanks.. Mar 08 12:15:20 np. Mar 08 12:15:29 but it's an obvious goal Mar 08 12:15:42 Should updating to latest -testing keep SMS's & contacts? Mar 08 12:15:44 TAsn: why is opendns good? Mar 08 12:16:11 lindi-, first of all, why not? second of all, because it's "good enough" to work. Mar 08 12:16:19 TAsn: privacy issues? Mar 08 12:16:24 I mean, it's ok for troubleshooting Mar 08 12:16:39 lindi-, what about your isp? Mar 08 12:16:53 TAsn: centralized is always worse Mar 08 12:17:00 probably Mar 08 12:17:08 I use opendns at home Mar 08 12:17:18 because my isp's dns is less than reliable Mar 08 12:18:15 the coolest/smartest thing would probably be using tor + opendns as a dns service Mar 08 12:19:07 TAsn: Mar 08 12:19:11 root@om-gta02 /my_app/mp3_driver $ opkg update Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//all/Packages.gz Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4/Packages.gz Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4t/Packages.gz Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//om-gta02/Packages.gz Collected errors: * Failed to download http://build.shr-project.org/shr- Mar 08 12:19:26 pastebin.com Mar 08 12:20:00 satish, though anyhow, I'm off. Mar 08 12:20:14 if the error is about armv4 Mar 08 12:20:19 and only about that Mar 08 12:20:20 it's ok Mar 08 12:20:26 TAsn: tor does not do udp? Mar 08 12:20:27 and you can try to opkg install gcc Mar 08 12:20:35 lindi-, iirc it does Mar 08 12:20:43 TAsn: what makes you think so? Mar 08 12:21:04 I remember there was a way to use dns with tor as well Mar 08 12:21:14 maybe there's a tcp dns service Mar 08 12:21:20 somewhere Mar 08 12:21:25 TAsn: there is but i was talking about udp :) Mar 08 12:21:37 lindi-, I know you where, I was changing subject. Mar 08 12:21:48 :) Mar 08 12:21:56 I have no idea if tor supports udp Mar 08 12:22:03 sec, googling. Mar 08 12:22:19 satish, anyhow, if opkg install gcc still doesn't work, contact spaetz, sounds like he haven't built that yet. Mar 08 12:22:51 lindi-, seems like tor doesn't do udp Mar 08 12:23:56 anyhow, ciao. Mar 08 12:25:13 TAsn: i'm using SHR testing image, will opkg install gcc has any specific problem with this image ? Mar 08 12:25:16 trying the new shr-testing - made the mistake of choosing the illume2 desktop in first run - is there a way to select the old desktop without reflashing? Mar 08 12:27:17 BillK: I'd guess in shr-settings you can select a different theme Mar 08 12:27:24 not quite sure though Mar 08 12:28:25 ok, will see Mar 08 12:28:51 also I seem to remember deleting ~/.e or sth like that should give you first-run on next boot. Very cloudy memory though Mar 08 12:34:24 yep, remove .e Mar 08 12:58:09 satish: in the e-mail you sent to shr-devel is clear message "error detail: Couldn't resolve host name" Mar 08 12:58:25 satish: which means that it wasn't able to resolve name build.shr-project.org Mar 08 12:58:53 satish: then opkg update/upgrade/install won't work, not sure if you fixed your resolv.conf already or not.. Mar 08 13:21:37 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * rdf56da70166d 10/zhone2/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am): zhone2: add gee-1.0 as dependency Mar 08 13:21:38 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r9734923469ea 10/zhone2/src/ (callpage.vala main.vala mainpage.vala page.vala): zhone2: extend page transition Mar 08 13:21:40 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r706d49dad193 10/zhone2/src/ (Makefile.am main.vala mainpage.vala phonepage.vala): zhone2: add phone-page (you can already enter a dial string :) Mar 08 13:21:41 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * r35139a0d164b 10/zhone2/src/callpage.vala: zhone2: add state handling on call-page Mar 08 13:40:26 JaMa|Wrk: http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/WebCore/platform/efl but it seems that it's not complete Mar 08 13:40:38 JaMa|Wrk: satish : or general connectivity flawed Mar 08 13:41:24 satish: just DNS query being the first network action to fail. Then it's probably not related to resolv.conf Mar 08 13:41:46 satish: try a ping to some known public IP Mar 08 13:44:07 Heinervdm: no Ecore_data or Ecore_txt in it, looks good :) Mar 08 13:46:35 ~seen acidx Mar 08 13:46:38 i haven't seen 'acidx', Heinervdm Mar 08 14:02:36 Where are the SMS's on SHR-testing stored? Mar 08 14:11:56 omg, it's snowing in Barcelona! Mar 08 14:31:08 rhkfin: to be honest, I have no clue. Same as SHR-U Mar 08 14:31:29 probably an swlite .db in /etc/* somewhere. :) Mar 08 14:31:46 soltys: /etc/freesmartphone/opim or something.. thanks.. Mar 08 14:46:45 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07aurora * rd33cc8e1025a 10/zhone2/src/ (main.vala phonepage.vala): zhone2: use dbus call for voice call initiation Mar 08 14:48:30 TAsn: phonefsod is starting 2 processes it seems (and only 1 when daemonizing is skipped with -d 1), and the 1st process seems to quit ok.. so his created child is spawning another one probably.. Mar 08 15:07:45 hi all Mar 08 15:09:55 sorry, i compiled a kernel this night directly on the freerunner Mar 08 15:10:06 but now i don't know how to get the uImage.bin.. Mar 08 15:10:54 i took the kernel from kernel.org in order to have some modules Mar 08 15:11:38 sanvy: that won't work, because you miss all the FR specific patches Mar 08 15:12:04 :\ Mar 08 15:12:56 but if i follow the wiki (webcam page) i get some version errors importing modules... so i think that the best is to recompile.. Mar 08 15:13:55 i'm running hackable1 Mar 08 15:14:30 i get v4l1_compat: version magic '2.6.29-hackable1 preempt mod_unload ARMv4 ' should be '2.6.29-rc3-hackable1 preempt mod_unload ARMv4 ' Mar 08 15:14:32 -.-" Mar 08 15:16:20 thanks Heinervdm anyway Mar 08 15:18:16 meh, busybox linking on opkg upgrade takes forever Mar 08 15:18:26 mm Mar 08 15:18:39 ? Mar 08 15:20:31 sicu: it's still shell script.. you cannot expect much... Mar 08 15:20:59 sicu: and if you check what that script does.. you will understand what takes so much.. Mar 08 15:21:48 JaMa|Wrk: yeh, just checked now ... point taken =] Mar 08 15:34:19 JaMa|Wrk: mrmoku|away: TAsn: seems i have no vibration on incoming call or sms Mar 08 15:34:25 with latest update Mar 08 15:36:38 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r3860463011e2 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/router_palmpre/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala): fsodevice: route_palmpre: add initial version Mar 08 15:36:39 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r71e459ff752b 10/fsodeviced/conf/palm_pre/ (audio.conf fsodeviced.conf): fsodeviced: conf: add config files for the palm pre Mar 08 15:36:40 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rf3c3d0a8cfcf 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsodeviced: add palmpre_powersupply plugin Mar 08 15:36:41 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rc0d11874038d 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/ (palmpre_powersupply/plugin.vala router_palmpre/plugin.vala): fsodeviced: palmpre_powersupply and route_palmpre compile now Mar 08 15:49:46 alexxy, I also noticed it, though wasn't sure if it's just me, or not. :P please report. Mar 08 15:50:03 JaMa|Wrk, I'll hopefully take a look later. Mar 08 15:50:08 mrmoku|away, TAsn: phonefsod is starting 2 processes it seems (and only 1 when daemonizing is skipped with -d 1), and the 1st process seems to quit ok.. so his created child is spawning another one probably.. Mar 08 15:50:17 mrmoku|away, just in case you find time before I do. Mar 08 15:55:12 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r8f3c041fd20a 10/fsodeviced/configure.ac: fsodeviced: add palmpre_powersupply and router_palmpre Makefile's to configure.ac Mar 08 15:58:09 heyho Mar 08 15:58:43 morphis, how's the pre doing? Mar 08 15:58:46 in major progress :) Mar 08 15:58:50 any* Mar 08 15:59:51 TAsn: great Mar 08 15:59:53 TAsn: i cannot logint ot trac Mar 08 15:59:54 =) Mar 08 16:00:03 msmcomm integration into fsogsmd is nearly done Mar 08 16:00:06 morphis, what's missing? Mar 08 16:00:09 cool :) Mar 08 16:00:23 I'am working currently on a rootfs which you can start from within webos Mar 08 16:00:37 TAsn: further protocol reverse engineering :) Mar 08 16:01:06 TAsn: we currently can make calls, react on incomming calls etc. but everything else goes over the AT-command port Mar 08 16:01:19 so you currently have no data connection Mar 08 16:01:25 (when using FSO) Mar 08 16:01:40 i c. Mar 08 16:02:02 because to tell you the truth, I don't like th FR that much, and I'd really like getting myself a pre Mar 08 16:02:13 or a nicer phone, no idea ;) Mar 08 16:02:14 mickey and myself are even working on reimplementing zhone to have a initial test app Mar 08 16:02:27 TAsn: do it, we need everybody! Mar 08 16:02:50 unfortunately, I don't have time for hacking, I want to be a user :P Mar 08 16:03:03 morphis, what's wrong with current zhone? Mar 08 16:03:06 hehe ok, that should be take moment Mar 08 16:03:07 (for the pre) Mar 08 16:03:17 zhone does depend on the ogsmd interface Mar 08 16:03:34 and mickey and I like to have a demo app for eflvala at all :) Mar 08 16:03:36 but not a lot have changed in fsogsmd Mar 08 16:03:42 jupp Mar 08 16:03:43 eflvala, I c :P Mar 08 16:03:53 but it's easy to rewrite it in vala Mar 08 16:03:59 I guess :) Mar 08 16:04:04 cause everything ui-related is done in the edj Mar 08 16:04:16 I learned to love edjes :P Mar 08 16:04:23 hehehe :) Mar 08 16:04:32 TAsn: but you can help us testing Mar 08 16:04:48 or do some community work Mar 08 16:05:18 morphis, If I get myself a pre, I'll probably work on the shr apps Mar 08 16:05:31 and configurations, and similar Mar 08 16:05:55 but Mar 08 16:06:06 I don't want to buy a device I won't be using Mar 08 16:06:10 that would be even great Mar 08 16:06:28 morphis, how easy it to switch between webos and morphis-os? :P Mar 08 16:06:39 TAsn: buying a Palm device isn't the bad way at all, webOS is a very great mobile os Mar 08 16:07:00 morphis, from what I've heard, the pre isn't that awesome Mar 08 16:07:05 TAsn: should be script+chroot to be in morphis-os Mar 08 16:07:14 then a simple reboot should you take back into webOS Mar 08 16:07:18 how open in webos? Mar 08 16:07:24 in which way not awesome? Mar 08 16:07:30 battery life Mar 08 16:07:31 power Mar 08 16:07:33 no idea Mar 08 16:07:47 battery life like any modern phone Mar 08 16:07:51 1 day with umts etc. Mar 08 16:08:06 and I bet we are not even close to having a gpu driver Mar 08 16:08:18 it's a powervr Mar 08 16:08:24 the same story as with the beagleboard Mar 08 16:08:32 drivers are there, still only binary Mar 08 16:08:38 but we can use the ones from TI Mar 08 16:08:40 what kernel? Mar 08 16:09:07 don't know Mar 08 16:09:24 but we should be able to use the driver modules palm ships with webos Mar 08 16:10:05 just a simple installs script on morphis-os startup copies all files into morphis-os then we should be fine Mar 08 16:10:37 hm... I'm going to italy on wedensday how much is it? :P Mar 08 16:12:51 And almost as important, does webos support hebrew? :P Mar 08 16:13:53 Internal 8 GB Mar 08 16:13:53 Card slot No Mar 08 16:13:55 sucks Mar 08 16:13:57 I don't want a pre. Mar 08 16:13:59 nvm :P Mar 08 16:20:00 TAsn: also seems i cannot write anything in russian with latest updates Mar 08 16:20:28 thats rigth for any non ASCII symbols Mar 08 16:20:40 in any phoneui app Mar 08 16:20:46 Also known Mar 08 16:20:51 I suffer from it as well ;( Mar 08 16:25:56 TAsn: bthw how can i start phoneui-messages from gta02 by ssh on my desktop (via Xforwarding)? Mar 08 16:26:21 if I get you correctly Mar 08 16:26:24 just use mdbus Mar 08 16:26:35 if you want it to really run on the desktop Mar 08 16:26:38 that's not trivial Mar 08 16:26:45 because you need dbus over tcp Mar 08 16:26:53 I heard there's something about like it Mar 08 16:26:57 never seen/tested Mar 08 16:27:57 ok Mar 08 16:49:52 should I force-overwrite: Mar 08 16:49:53 * check_data_file_clashes: Package libsdl-ttf-2.0-0 wants to install file /usr/lib/libSDL_ttf-2.0.so.0 Mar 08 16:49:56 But that file is already provided by package * check_data_file_clashes: libsdl-ttf Mar 08 16:51:32 JaMa|Wrk, why isn't it marked as RREPLACES? Mar 08 17:02:40 mrmoku, noticed the pm? :p Mar 08 17:03:54 What are the biggest changes in the latest shr-testing vs. the previous? Mar 08 17:07:56 A blog post would be nice :) http://blog.shr-project.org/ Mar 08 17:09:47 I presume, bug fix bug fix and... bug fix :) Mar 08 17:09:58 TAsn: yeah Mar 08 17:10:17 reading backlog took so long that it's already time for dinner :P Mar 08 17:10:25 ahahahah Mar 08 17:11:21 bbl, after dinner :) Mar 08 17:16:33 * graziano is testing the new testing :) Mar 08 17:18:35 i tried pymail in the new testing, it tells me "base64" not found. Does anyone know, where I can find that package? (python) Mar 08 17:18:46 I'm very unstable with theh new unstable so we are practically the same :P Mar 08 17:19:29 mmm Mar 08 17:19:33 nope. Mar 08 17:20:04 I selected illume2 as profile, then I went to settings and it said a service was not started START Mar 08 17:20:07 I started it Mar 08 17:20:13 - date and time Mar 08 17:20:18 then it crashed Mar 08 17:23:21 exact message is "phonefsod is not running" Mar 08 17:23:34 and then it crashes Mar 08 17:44:44 graziano ping Mar 08 17:45:34 pong Mar 08 17:46:24 graziano ciao did you sent the email about eStarDict in OE, right? Mar 08 17:46:38 yes Mar 08 17:47:07 graziano I replied to you but you can check easily if a application is in the OE or not Mar 08 17:48:43 graziano and in fact in my website I wrote that for installing it you have to do opkg install estardict and not opkg install http://... Mar 08 17:49:04 graziano btw I completly agree that OE is the best solution! Mar 08 17:49:41 that was not my idea, I am trying to work on the field of usability and I thought that a good thing could be to have one unique place where to put apps Mar 08 17:49:56 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Graziano#ONE_REPOSITORY_TO_RULE_THEM_ALL Mar 08 17:50:00 graziano the only missing point is a website that show the apps Mar 08 17:50:06 people replied with some feedback there Mar 08 17:50:21 zeusone, opkg.org could be used as showroom Mar 08 17:50:35 graziano yeah but now it is not the case Mar 08 17:51:28 graziano maybe a website shr centric is a good option Mar 08 17:51:57 graziano where we can show and describe all the application in the feeds Mar 08 17:51:58 zeusone, it's a shame to lose an already built and functioning infrastructure such as the opkg.org one Mar 08 17:52:15 I think someone should discuss with opkg.org maintainer how to put to good use that website Mar 08 17:52:33 to serve the community better Mar 08 17:52:53 maybe some guidelines are needed for it to function properly Mar 08 17:53:08 e.g. accepting only apps maintained in OE etc.etc. Mar 08 17:53:22 TAsn: hmm if it's the same package then RREPLACES doesn't work, but strange that it didn't upgrade normaly, rhkfin are you sure you got libsdl-ttf from shr feeds before? Mar 08 17:53:23 not accepting external repos Mar 08 17:54:10 graziano yes good idea I will take a look to your page :) Mar 08 17:55:12 feel free to edit Mar 08 17:55:33 I am not a developer, I only tried to write down some ideas Mar 08 17:57:53 btw zeusone sent the recipe for estardict soon enough before announcing it.. only delay was because of crappy shr buildhost in that time.. Mar 08 18:00:19 and IMHO best way for opkg.org serving better, is to encourage devs uploading .ipk to send .bb recipe instead :) it's not that hard and sometimes app devs have some recipe they already use to create .ipk but because some secret reason they dont publish recipe.. but only resulting .ipk Mar 08 18:03:23 JaMa|Wrk, I think someone of you with the needed big picture of things should contact him Mar 08 18:03:46 reanimation@opkg.org Mar 08 18:03:48 :) Mar 08 18:05:13 JaMa I agree with you... and maybe you have to put more in highlight the page that describe how to publish a shr package in the feed Mar 08 18:05:31 JaMa it was really useful for me Mar 08 18:05:56 well few months ago I offered to proposed some voting process there and than I'll write recipe for every package there with some popularity (shown in those voting stats).. nobody replied so I have better stuff to spend my time :) Mar 08 18:07:18 JaMa where do you propose this? I didn't see it Mar 08 18:07:28 zeusone: I think that description how to write recipe/send it to shr-devel and make us to include it in feeds should be written in first iteration by some "external" dev Mar 08 18:08:59 JaMa|Wrk: such an descrption is in our trac Mar 08 18:10:31 Heinervdm: yes, I mean that page was really useful for me :) Mar 08 18:11:01 zeusone: it's really long ago.. and it was discussion IIRC with opkg.org maintainer what should be improved/changed on opkg.org to serve community better :) Mar 08 18:11:39 zeusone: ah so you mean that we should more highlight that already existing page.. even better :) Mar 08 18:11:52 JaMa yes :) Mar 08 18:12:13 reading it now ;) Mar 08 18:12:14 JaMa yellow blinking :D Mar 08 18:13:26 ciao von_fritz :) Mar 08 18:13:48 cia zeusone ;-) Mar 08 18:14:11 I am waiting your review... Mar 08 18:14:22 :) Mar 08 18:14:27 :-) Mar 08 18:15:36 uff it hangs Mar 08 18:16:07 I'm having a severe reliability issue with SHR-u Mar 08 18:16:19 after some time, for some reason, I can't call anyone Mar 08 18:16:47 the window barely opens, then, it close without saying anything Mar 08 18:16:55 ThibG thats normal :-) Mar 08 18:17:13 I like your definition of normal :) Mar 08 18:17:44 I can't find anything significant in the logs, but since "thats normal", I assume you know enough already :) Mar 08 18:19:51 ThibG: you are not alone ;) Mar 08 18:22:12 and, is the issue understood? Mar 08 18:23:45 graziano: opkg.org CMS is opensource, so you can propose patches http://www.opkg.org/developer.html Mar 08 18:23:46 ThibG you have latest SHRu? (upgraded) Mar 08 18:23:52 yeah Mar 08 18:23:54 at least here - calling is not a problem Mar 08 18:24:25 but the call window crashes (call goes on in the background though) - message app crashes too Mar 08 18:24:27 ... Mar 08 18:24:41 nokia 6230i time here again ;) Mar 08 18:24:47 Martix, this is not a thing about patching, it's about discussing with its maintainer which direction the website should take.. Mar 08 18:25:10 or Mar 08 18:25:40 if the website could be put to good use = change the way it operates now, OR doing anotehr website where we can put things in a different way Mar 08 18:26:28 graziano you can ask it in the ML I think it is a really useful topic Mar 08 18:26:31 the call doesn't go on Mar 08 18:28:11 another thing, the cell name is "F - BOUYGUES TELECOM" where it's been "BOUYGUES" until now Mar 08 18:28:42 ThibG when you goes to settings and press phone, gsm antenna is ON? Mar 08 18:29:02 yeah, it is Mar 08 18:29:52 tried to restart phonefsod or frameworkd? Mar 08 18:30:17 graziano: imho, opkg.org should be automaticaly generated list of end user aplications located in SHR feeds Mar 08 18:36:28 * von__fritz goes to dinner ;) Mar 08 18:46:36 ThibG: it might change - i always have T-Mobile A when i start the neo and only get the proper phrase tele.ring later on - should not be a real problem as it's the same network Mar 08 18:54:27 zeroedout, Martix thanks for your feedback, it's a thing I will try to catch in the near future Mar 08 18:55:30 graziano: your welcome and keep me updated :-) Mar 08 19:03:10 nah, didn't try to restart phonefsod or frameworkd Mar 08 19:03:52 the thing is, it starts with BOUYGUES and now it's "F - BOUYGUES TELECOM" and stays like that, but it may not be something useful Mar 08 19:07:14 this is a wild guess, but may it have something to do with changing between cells? Mar 08 19:07:55 nope Mar 08 19:08:35 ok, restarted phonefsod, let's see... Mar 08 19:09:50 it asked my PIN again, registered to "BOUYGTEL", but the call isn't working Mar 08 19:10:29 JaMa|Wrk: no, not 100% sure I got libsdl-ttf from shr feeds.. Mar 08 19:14:33 freesmartphone.org: 03felix.huber 07zhone * r740796ac46e2 10/src/zhone: Fixed indent bug in zhone Mar 08 19:14:34 freesmartphone.org: 03felix.huber 07zhone * r7321cd7e2cc0 10/src/zhone-fsogsmd: Merge branch 'master' of freesmartphone.org:zhone Mar 08 19:24:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r05d990fce742 10/ (TODO configure.ac gsm0710mux/channel.vala): fix allocChannel; this is 0.9.1 Mar 08 19:31:07 rhkfin: if it's ie from opkg.org.. than it was probably named different and opkg doesn't know it should remove old version first.. I would remove old and then opkg install new Mar 08 19:32:45 JaMa|Wrk, it's not the same package Mar 08 19:32:57 JaMa|Wrk, it's 2 vs no specific version Mar 08 19:33:39 oh ok Mar 08 19:39:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r98d97f66aac7 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcommandqueue.vala muxtransport.vala): fsogsmd: fix muxtransport wrt. async open() Mar 08 19:40:45 JaMa|Wrk: spaetz: if you have a moment, please bump libgsm0710mux & fso-abyss; i have rewritten the channel allocation glue Mar 08 19:43:55 mickeyl, what was the rationale behind writing opimd and not using, lets say http://labs.o-hand.com/embedded-eds/ ? Mar 08 19:44:18 embedded-eds is where we came from Mar 08 19:44:21 and had lots of nightmares Mar 08 19:44:28 ended up writing dozens of support layers and wrappers Mar 08 19:44:41 that made us think it doesn't fit Mar 08 19:45:04 the opimd student did quite some research before starting opimd Mar 08 19:45:31 but you changed a lot of what abraxa did Mar 08 19:45:35 for example, the querying method Mar 08 19:45:45 hardly me Mar 08 19:45:50 (dbus parameters vs his weird sql like) Mar 08 19:45:51 i did not significantly touch opimd Mar 08 19:45:54 mickeyl, mostly dos/I Mar 08 19:45:56 :P Mar 08 19:46:00 but still, stuff have changed. Mar 08 19:46:00 right Mar 08 19:46:30 yeah, stuff has changed. i left it in the hands of the app developers with the thought that they will create an API that is suitable for their demans Mar 08 19:46:31 demands Mar 08 19:46:42 mickeyl, anyhow, any last thoughts concerning merging opimd-redesign with master? Mar 08 19:46:54 TAsn: just do it Mar 08 19:47:03 if it doesn't break SHR Mar 08 19:47:15 nothing fancy like adding the conversion script to start automatically on first run? Mar 08 19:47:27 mickeyl, because I think we'll just do manual conversion with opkg message Mar 08 19:47:43 because users will have to import sim contacts as well anyway Mar 08 19:47:43 i'm ok with that, although i had preferred the autoconversion Mar 08 19:47:50 it's your call though Mar 08 19:47:57 and i understand the reasoning Mar 08 19:48:08 ok, I'm merging, thanks for the go. Mar 08 19:48:11 JaMa|Wrk, super-ping Mar 08 19:48:13 cool Mar 08 19:50:19 # On branch master Mar 08 19:50:19 # Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 83 commits. Mar 08 19:50:22 wanna shut down CIA? Mar 08 19:51:09 DocScrutinizer, ? Mar 08 19:51:41 TAsn: are you going to push those right now? :-O Mar 08 19:51:50 yep Mar 08 19:52:10 Though I think I'll wait for someone to turn off CIA :P Mar 08 19:52:12 Anyone at a console? i have a question about shr on neo1973 - ive installed both the kernel and the files on 2 partitions on a sd card, i modified the uboot to boot from this, and it boots fine, but im placed on a prompt on the first boot, and on a login on all the rest of my tries, what am i doing wrong? Mar 08 19:52:14 huh? Mar 08 19:52:22 DocScrutinizer, you are in charge of CIA right? Mar 08 19:52:28 ~master Mar 08 19:52:29 Mr. Bates isn't here right now. Mar 08 19:52:30 no Mar 08 19:52:44 is the owner ever here? Mar 08 19:53:04 DocScrutinizer: want me to ban CIA for 5 min while TAsn will be pushing 83 commits? Mar 08 19:53:10 nobody knows who's CIA master Mar 08 19:53:16 PaulFertser, also in #openmoko if you can Mar 08 19:53:28 TAsn: i thought CIA is out of #openmoko Mar 08 19:53:31 mickeyl, in #freesmartphone.org as well (I think that'll be best) Mar 08 19:53:32 up to you, I don't care Mar 08 19:53:34 PaulFertser, maybe, no idea :P Mar 08 19:53:37 CIA is publically administrated, there's no master Mar 08 19:53:43 yeah, he's not there. Mar 08 19:53:54 TAsn: i don't mind lots of commits Mar 08 19:54:00 ok then. Mar 08 19:54:14 uff Mar 08 19:54:16 ok Mar 08 19:54:16 push Mar 08 19:54:20 TAsn: wait Mar 08 19:54:25 ? Mar 08 19:54:26 TAsn: slow reply pong Mar 08 19:54:27 * PaulFertser is a very bad op :( Mar 08 19:54:58 I am testing the new shr-t, I just wrote a brief review on the user mailing list Mar 08 19:55:08 TAsn: go Mar 08 19:55:13 I have problems with shr-settings mostly and mokonnect Mar 08 19:55:27 mickeyl: will bump now Mar 08 19:55:40 i cannot even get the graphics part to how up, i allways end in terminal Mar 08 19:55:43 JaMa|Wrk, Ok, new opimd is in master, would you mind rebuilding frameworkd and adding a postinst message saying something about it? (give me a sec I'll let you know what I think needed to be there) Mar 08 19:56:25 * DocScrutinizer points to +q Mar 08 19:56:26 ok pushed Mar 08 19:56:28 and it's done Mar 08 19:56:29 TAsn: sure, send me postinst message I'll bump it with fso :) Mar 08 19:56:30 wth?! Mar 08 19:57:02 DocScrutinizer: oh yeah Mar 08 19:57:09 c3d4aeb9d43db7b8decbca003c4ddfdebd050b9a <---- wanted commit Mar 08 19:57:20 commit message: Mar 08 19:58:57 TAsn: one line of spam :P Mar 08 20:01:24 heh Mar 08 20:02:00 Good day all , Heinervdm which shr-t image did you say that has the patch for bluez ? Mar 08 20:02:37 alabd: no image, i said that my package should be installalbe on new shr-testing image Mar 08 20:03:01 mickeyl: what is the state of fsogsmd? Does it make sense to try again? Mar 08 20:03:26 Heinervdm, what is the difference between new shr-t and olders ? Mar 08 20:03:34 mrmoku: it does.. I was able to call with it :) Mar 08 20:03:36 "*IMPORTANT NOTICE*: There has been a change in internal opimd database structure as well as in the backend mechanism. This change is not backwards compatible so a conversion is needed, furthermore, since new opimd does not (and will not) support working with SIM, importing your SIM data is also required. In order to import SIM contacts, please use PISI. For the database conversion, please stop frameworkd (/etc/init.d/frameworkd Mar 08 20:03:36 stop) use the conversion script, called: 'opimd_convert_db' which is already installed in your system, and restart your device" Mar 08 20:03:39 JaMa|Wrk, or something like that. Mar 08 20:03:48 this is just a sketch that includes the ideas I think that should be there. Mar 08 20:03:50 alabd: it has newer versions of packages Mar 08 20:04:03 JaMa|Wrk: great :) Mar 08 20:04:08 mrmoku, (one line of spam) Yeah, that was terribly disappointing. Mar 08 20:04:13 :;P Mar 08 20:04:13 TAsn: ok and that script is really already installed or should I add it somewhere? Mar 08 20:04:30 sec, will check the recipe Mar 08 20:04:34 it should be installed automatically though Mar 08 20:05:09 Heinervdm, shr-u has man Mar 08 20:05:09 mrmoku: I only had to add fsogsmd start script (I used fsodeviced script to start fsogsmd too and deferred (default after 60s) mdbus2 call to setFuntionality Mar 08 20:05:21 mrmoku: for calypso, yes Mar 08 20:05:29 JaMa|Wrk, should just be there. Mar 08 20:05:36 TAsn: ok Mar 08 20:05:45 JaMa|Wrk, Btw, add to the notice, that this assumes Mar 08 20:05:55 mickeyl: I'd like to make it work with phonefsod :) Mar 08 20:05:59 you have an opimd without "tel:" prefix in it Mar 08 20:06:02 or something like that. Mar 08 20:06:06 mrmoku, doesn't it already? Mar 08 20:06:13 TAsn: no Mar 08 20:06:15 sorry Heinervdm do you advice shr-t or shr-u , shr-t does not have any important problem no visible problem (a few ...) how about shr-u ? Mar 08 20:06:17 mrmoku: good plan. be prepared for lots of missing functionality, but once you start using it, we can priorize what needs to go in Mar 08 20:06:24 I saw the specs change Mar 08 20:06:24 good Mar 08 20:06:34 everything relevant seems to be the same Mar 08 20:07:01 TAsn: phonefsod barfs on the 'SetAntennaPower is deprecated' dbus error :P Mar 08 20:07:03 TAsn: so remove-tel needs to be finished first, right? Mar 08 20:07:19 yes Mar 08 20:07:24 do you advice shr-t or shr-u , shr-t does not have any important problem no visible problem (a few ...) how about shr-u ? Mar 08 20:07:30 but I assume remove-tel is already ok for everyone Mar 08 20:07:31 alabd: shr-u usally breaks from time to time, because we have to test all changes in shr-u Mar 08 20:07:44 or at least for everyone that upgrade shr in the last 4 months :P Mar 08 20:07:46 or more Mar 08 20:08:12 alabd: so if you need the FR as phone shr-u isn't recommended Mar 08 20:08:18 JaMa|Wrk: you're going to build the new revs now? Mar 08 20:08:32 JaMa|Wrk, btw, any progress concerning annoying utf8 input issues? Mar 08 20:09:45 mrmoku, ohh, almost forgot, super important Mar 08 20:09:54 should I use kde on my laptop? Mar 08 20:10:07 heh, very ideologic question ;) Mar 08 20:10:10 I've been wanting to give KDE a go for quite some time now Mar 08 20:10:17 I *do* use it on may laptop :) Mar 08 20:10:25 and I'm quite happy Mar 08 20:10:25 mrmoku, why not gnome? Mar 08 20:10:28 nokia or ... headset use HPF ? Mar 08 20:10:28 (meanwhile) Mar 08 20:10:34 (just asking) Mar 08 20:10:43 TAsn: because gnome is giving me a hard time to configure things like I want them Mar 08 20:10:54 mrmoku, the regular answer :P Mar 08 20:10:57 bah, who uses kde ;-P Mar 08 20:11:01 mrmoku: yep Mar 08 20:11:02 yeah... and a true one :/ Mar 08 20:11:05 TAsn: http://pastebin.ca/1828973 Mar 08 20:11:07 spaetz, I use gnome as well :| Mar 08 20:11:07 * Heinervdm uses KDE Mar 08 20:11:12 JaMa|Wrk: ping me please when ready :) Mar 08 20:11:26 xfce ftw Mar 08 20:11:38 spaetz: I was using xfce for quite a while Mar 08 20:12:09 i think lxde is a bit nicer Mar 08 20:12:17 * JaMa|Wrk has openbox atm Mar 08 20:12:27 can be annoying too (heck, i miss my disable touchpad while typing checkbox) Mar 08 20:12:31 this is the nice thing guys... we have a choice :D Mar 08 20:12:39 mrmoku: when ready in feeds? Mar 08 20:12:41 JaMa|Wrk, a couple of remarks: Mar 08 20:12:45 JaMa|Wrk: yup please Mar 08 20:12:45 1. very nice :P Mar 08 20:12:55 TAsn: 1. you wrote it :) Mar 08 20:12:57 2. line 5, you are missing a period at the end. Mar 08 20:13:05 Heinervdm, i started the lxde live disk and it failed to boot. so that was lxde for me ;) Mar 08 20:13:16 spaetz: :) Mar 08 20:13:21 3. please replace tel: with 'tel:' i.e enclose it with ' Mar 08 20:13:36 and last but not least Mar 08 20:13:42 way a sec, and I'll try to tell you Mar 08 20:14:01 an approximate date for the move to 'tel:'-less opimd Mar 08 20:14:14 so you'll be able to give approximate date for users who don't know about it. Mar 08 20:15:00 JaMa|Wrk, probably 1.1.2010 Mar 08 20:15:01 is good enough Mar 08 20:15:03 for shr-u Mar 08 20:15:12 shr-t: no idea, but it won't reach there yet anyway. Mar 08 20:16:49 hah, it will very soon. Mar 08 20:16:58 TAsn: please put it in sentence as I don't have any idea what you're talking about :) Mar 08 20:17:30 sec Mar 08 20:17:31 3 months ago? Mar 08 20:17:44 given that [phone|fso].* seems to be very flaky. Mar 08 20:17:45 line 5 should change to: Mar 08 20:18:24 * spaetz exppects a few bumps soon. Mar 08 20:18:39 TAsn: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=26c2c80c044bd9a98d6b2bc31cb1e0e991b33b08 Mar 08 20:18:54 echo " If you still have old contacts with 'tel:' prefix instead of field types (i.e you haven't upgraded since 1.1.2010) please run the remove-tel script first." Mar 08 20:18:57 JaMa|Wrk, ^ Mar 08 20:19:34 ok Mar 08 20:19:38 Heinervdm, ran git blame for the postinst comment? :P Mar 08 20:19:40 JaMa|Wrk, correction Mar 08 20:19:44 26.01.2010 Mar 08 20:19:47 thanks to Heinervdm Mar 08 20:19:50 :) Mar 08 20:19:56 and maybe include a rev Mar 08 20:20:03 nvm rev Mar 08 20:20:32 this whole internal design change is suboptimal, but whatever :| Mar 08 20:22:03 spaetz, I guess it's a bad time to tell you about a bug I forgot to report in unstable and is now in testing, right? :P Mar 08 20:22:04 anyone used headset with fr ? Mar 08 20:22:18 alabd, nope, but I do intend to add real support soon. Mar 08 20:22:31 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * r9d0a6961ccfd 10/palmpre/scripts/setup-fso-rootfs.sh: palmpre/scripts: add initial version of the fso-rootfs setup script [untested!!!] Mar 08 20:22:32 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07utilities * r908e004fd5b2 10/ (53 files in 11 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git.freesmartphone.org/utilities Mar 08 20:22:55 where to get best builds of shr-t ? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ ? Mar 08 20:23:13 * spaetz slapss TAsn gently Mar 08 20:23:20 :) Mar 08 20:23:21 whicch bug Mar 08 20:23:27 sec, will open and give you a number. Mar 08 20:23:32 which rev do i need? Mar 08 20:23:32 TAsn, hi how are you ? you mean it is better to wait buying headset ? Mar 08 20:23:34 thx Mar 08 20:24:50 TAsn: concerning utf8 issue, newest EFL 46996 still has this issue :/ Mar 08 20:25:02 JaMa|Wrk, I don't think it's efl anymore Mar 08 20:25:05 as it works for mrmoku Mar 08 20:25:09 mrmoku, please confirm ^ :P Mar 08 20:25:19 alabd, I mean it'll take some time. Mar 08 20:26:06 TAsn, how long ? and you mean you will test headset one by one and... ? Mar 08 20:26:29 how long? no idea. Mar 08 20:26:34 I mean, it's not really there yet. Mar 08 20:26:42 It should work, but in a sucky manner Mar 08 20:26:58 spaetz, #993 Mar 08 20:26:59 sorry :P Mar 08 20:27:03 grr git 1.7.0.2 has new regression against 1.7.0, cherry-pick for not-existing revision doesn't show any error :/ Mar 08 20:27:29 TAsn: works for me... and somebody else too IIRC Mar 08 20:27:55 JaMa, so I guess it's something different in our images Mar 08 20:28:18 sorry, no join-msgs here. So is CIA45 now called CIA29? Mar 08 20:28:33 * TAsn is installing kernel modules just to make sure. Mar 08 20:28:38 [20:57] --> | CIA-29 (cia@208.69.182.149) has joined #openmoko-cdevel Mar 08 20:28:45 looks like Mar 08 20:28:51 thanks Mar 08 20:28:56 http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/952 Mar 08 20:29:01 Heinervdm, what about this? ^ Mar 08 20:29:23 Heinervdm, I really want to announce the switch to ventura :P Mar 08 20:29:57 TAsn: it's in the feeds Mar 08 20:30:05 so I can close this ticket? Mar 08 20:30:06 TAsn, thanks will look tomorrow. Mar 08 20:30:17 TAsn: i closed it already Mar 08 20:31:35 JaMa/Heinervdm: Can you please replace midori with ventura and add ca-certificates to ventura deps (if not already there) ? Mar 08 20:32:10 TAsn: i think that all already done Mar 08 20:32:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r899bcd0d0b65 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/commandqueue.vala: fsogsmd: qualcomm_palm: work around vala bug #612230 Mar 08 20:32:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3eea80c39aa9 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/plugin.vala: Mar 08 20:32:35 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: qualcomm_msm: open AT command channel for testing purposes again Mar 08 20:32:35 freesmartphone.org: NOTE that we need to change the main channel's open to do the whole Mar 08 20:32:35 freesmartphone.org: initializing, before we should attempt to open the AT command channel Mar 08 20:32:36 freesmartphone.org: NOTE also missing is the state advancement logic triggered from MSM channel Mar 08 20:33:27 Heinervdm, lol, seems like I suck :P Mar 08 20:36:18 Heinervdm: tru for ca-certs, but task-shr.bb is still pulling midori instead ventura.. Mar 08 20:37:15 Heinervdm: I will push it too Mar 08 20:39:47 morphis: is the pre going into linux suspend or just downclocking? Mar 08 20:39:52 TAsn: Mar 08 20:39:53 SHR root@gojama ~ $ opimd_convert_db Mar 08 20:39:53 DB file (/etc/freesmartphone/opim/pim.db) already exists, aborting... Mar 08 20:39:53 This usually means you already converted your db to the new format. Mar 08 20:39:53 If you want to convert again, remove pim.db and restart this script Mar 08 20:40:02 TAsn: and no I didn't run it before Mar 08 20:40:07 yes Mar 08 20:40:09 this is because Mar 08 20:40:20 postinst restart frameworkd automatically Mar 08 20:40:24 restarts* Mar 08 20:40:56 maybe don't restart frameworkd on postinst Mar 08 20:40:58 or I don't know. Mar 08 20:41:08 removed and running again Mar 08 20:41:50 :) Mar 08 20:41:57 heh finished in 10sec :) Mar 08 20:42:04 god peace you bye 4 now Mar 08 20:43:12 JaMa, really?! :| Mar 08 20:43:14 alabd, ciao. Mar 08 20:44:03 ciao Mar 08 20:44:44 TAsn: yes.. but I have almost no sms and only few contacts there.. Mar 08 20:45:13 JaMa, actually those take ~0 seconds Mar 08 20:45:20 what takes the most is the calls domain Mar 08 20:46:04 JaMa, oh, sec, committing one last thing, sry. Mar 08 20:49:30 JaMa: what is opim_convert_db? Mar 08 20:50:55 freesmartphone.org: 03tom 07framework * rabd1078b32e8 10/tools/opimd_convert_db: Added more instructions to the convert script. Mar 08 20:50:57 JaMa, sorry, pushed :) Mar 08 20:51:10 JaMa: "make setup" seems not to work, it breaks with some messages i dont understand, can you help me ? Mar 08 20:51:30 JaMa: sorry i mean "make update" Mar 08 20:52:09 nschle85: just try again Mar 08 20:53:07 Heinervdm: does not work Mar 08 20:53:15 JaMa: I --focrce overwrited the libsdl-ttf, so far no problems.. Mar 08 20:54:15 Heinervdm: i made a ticket entry http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/989 Mar 08 20:54:26 nschle85: sure show me the error Mar 08 20:54:40 rhkfin: but now you have both installed which is at least suboptimal Mar 08 20:54:43 JaMa: http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/989 Mar 08 20:55:00 alexxy: no idea, ask TAsn :) Mar 08 20:55:35 JaMa: I think it removed the other one Mar 08 20:55:38 TAsn: what about adding infor about safe to remove pim.db Mar 08 20:55:54 rhkfin: -force-overwrite will let both packages in system Mar 08 20:56:06 rhkfin: and with next upgrade it will maybe ask again Mar 08 20:57:04 nschle85: it's in clean dir, right? Mar 08 20:57:55 JaMa: its called after "make setup" Mar 08 20:58:24 JaMa: the checkou is from yesterday Mar 08 20:58:31 JaMa: checkout Mar 08 20:58:39 JaMa: I'll see what happens.. If needed, I'll reflash :) Just wanted to try the upgrade - but then again I see no difference anywhere ie. I have no idea what changed :) Mar 08 20:58:58 rhkfin: why don't you opkg remove them? :) Mar 08 21:01:04 JaMa: not sure what's the package :) Mar 08 21:01:07 (any more..) Mar 08 21:01:13 ok, I guess backlog would tell it.. Mar 08 21:02:17 server add irc.oftc.net Mar 08 21:02:21 fail Mar 08 21:02:25 :) Mar 08 21:02:30 :D Mar 08 21:03:56 JaMa: should ich change any config file ? and how ? Mar 08 21:07:01 rhkfin: I would try opkg remove libsdl-ttf libsdl-ttf-2.0-0 Mar 08 21:07:48 rhkfin: and it will also show which one was pulled by which package Mar 08 21:10:39 SHR: 03Martin.Jansa 07shr-makefile * r2f9013c721ab 10/Makefile: Makefile: checkout right bitbake branch Mar 08 21:10:45 nschle85: try to update Makefile now Mar 08 21:11:26 TAsn: what is opimd_convert_db? Mar 08 21:12:03 TAsn: now it seem to work :-) Mar 08 21:12:15 JaMa: Now it works :-) Mar 08 21:12:45 nschle85: btw as you said about dedicated server for automated clean shr builds.. Mar 08 21:13:02 nschle85: do you use some minimalistic chroot or do you run it on normal desktop? Mar 08 21:13:43 i run it as normal user within "screen" Mar 08 21:14:44 JaMa: ubuntu 9.10 Mar 08 21:14:51 JaMa: no chroot Mar 08 21:16:28 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re443dccbf065 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/mediators.vala: Mar 08 21:16:28 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: qualcomm_palm: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetInfo() Mar 08 21:16:28 freesmartphone.org: NOTE that I'm not satisfied with the syntax used in the msm mediators yet, Mar 08 21:16:28 freesmartphone.org: please don't add more until we clean that up Mar 08 21:16:46 JaMa: Why do you ask ? Mar 08 21:16:46 >>> gsmdevice.GetInfo() Mar 08 21:16:46 { 'imei': '35813902018895302', Mar 08 21:16:46 'manufacturer': 'Palm, Inc.', Mar 08 21:16:46 'model': 'Palm Pre (Plus)', Mar 08 21:16:46 'revision': 'CU0.5.18(132)'} Mar 08 21:17:00 "Look Ma, no AT" Mar 08 21:17:53 nschle85: because OE/bitbake builds are not completely separated from host system Mar 08 21:18:08 JaMa: i know :-( Mar 08 21:18:32 nschle85: first it needs host compiler to build it's own compiler and then few packages wrongly use ie .h headers from host instead of staging Mar 08 21:18:35 mickeyl: do you recommend someone who's just lost his htc phone (pick-pocketed) to buy a Pre? Mar 08 21:18:46 JaMa: there are some dependencies to includes and libs on host Mar 08 21:18:52 nschle85: that's why I started to use really minimalistic chroot as sandbox for my builds Mar 08 21:19:36 PaulFertser: that depends on what that person wants to do with the phone -- and which HTC he or she had previously Mar 08 21:19:37 JaMa: and what is your base system ? Debian 5.0 ? Mar 08 21:19:43 nschle85: http://www.mail-archive.com/openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org/msg03765.html Mar 08 21:19:53 PaulFertser: i can see the Pre becoming the next major FSO platform Mar 08 21:20:04 PaulFertser: dunno whether that's interesting to that person Mar 08 21:20:04 mickeyl: basically he wants something that he can use as a phone + tinker with it but not on very low level. Mar 08 21:20:13 i see Mar 08 21:20:17 then it's quite nice Mar 08 21:20:38 and much less expensive than the N900 Mar 08 21:20:57 mickeyl: oh yeah :) thanks! Mar 08 21:21:08 mickeyl: and good luck with finally beating it into shape :) Mar 08 21:21:20 thanks Mar 08 21:21:41 on a related note, i hope the last set of patches should make libgsm710mux and fso-abyss more reliable Mar 08 21:21:47 please keep me posted Mar 08 21:21:49 bbl Mar 08 21:22:46 nschle85: if you're running it really on dedicated server only for shr builds.. than no need for chroot.. but when you're running it on average desktop distro, then it's better to have some well-defined minimal environment (and also chroot is good for security issues/bugs in recipe when different user is not enough for you) Mar 08 21:25:01 JaMa: I have no problem with chroot but I do not know anything about gentoo, I like debian style distros, a chroot is there very easy to create deb-bootstrap ..... Mar 08 21:41:00 nschle85: those reasons written there are not distro specific.. you any distro you know/like.. I use gentoo so I used gentoo Mar 08 21:42:34 JaMa: thats true but its hard to analyze bugs if many distros are used in opposite shr should build on many distros as possible i think. Mar 08 21:44:05 yes.. that's the disadvantage that I don't "see" bugs other builders with average distro can see Mar 08 21:44:30 JaMa: the idea behind the build server is, that it is doing i little bit CMS and asterisk and nothing else. So it could do something useful in the background Mar 08 21:46:06 heh the same with me, when I'm at work :) "doing a little bit of day work and at least watch how builds are going at home in the background" :) Mar 08 21:46:17 JaMa: the server is not very fast, shr-lite takes roundabout 2 days to compile Mar 08 21:46:50 wow that's even slower than shr buildhost... Mar 08 21:46:57 JaMa: At work we dont use Linux anymore :-( Mar 08 21:47:00 JaMa: still getting this weirdness in the SHR-u jffs2 image btw.. Mar 08 21:47:44 JaMa: now windows programming (installers are the horror under windows !) Mar 08 21:47:45 nschle85: we never used Linux for devs workstations at work :/ but I can live with putty Mar 08 21:48:43 JaMa: mee too (found open port at work :-) ) Mar 08 21:49:05 nschle85: we're not even allowed to install/maintain it ourselfs because we have rather MS IT dep. and I understand them from "enterprise" POV :) Mar 08 21:49:09 hehe... at the research facility I was at in December, half the control room had Linux machines and the other half Windows... the Windows side was completely unused (Windows = not even slightly useful for this work) Mar 08 21:50:11 Weiss: seems like I should flash jffs too.. but maybe there is few people already using them.. for confirmation.. Mar 08 21:50:20 JaMa: I mean Programming Installers under windows is horroble... Mar 08 21:51:28 JaMa: x-window-manager is a symlink to enlightenment-start.oe, so if I removed that and re-linked to the actual enlightenment-start, it works fine (so far..) Mar 08 21:52:02 JaMa: some days ago we had a course by an microsoft trainer, he translates his source files with BATch files :-) Mar 08 21:57:05 all: is here someone with flashed jffs2 image? semi-latest shr-t/shr-u Mar 08 21:57:49 no, the last i made did not start Mar 08 21:57:55 nschle85: today at work I noticed that javac is now a bit clever (about 3% of make cleverness) :) Mar 08 21:59:20 JaMa: how do you mean that ? Mar 08 22:04:24 nschle85: when you asked to rebuild some.class it checked all referenced classes from it and rebuild them too if coresponding .java had newer timestamp than .class or .class didn't exist at all Mar 08 22:08:01 JaMa: thats true, in C++ the compiler has to generate the dependencies before. Mar 08 22:08:05 JaMa, sec, I'm adding a message. Mar 08 22:08:16 mrmoku, TAsn: in feeds Mar 08 22:08:21 TAsn: too late.. Mar 08 22:08:24 framework? Mar 08 22:08:29 all Mar 08 22:08:40 which includes? :P Mar 08 22:08:44 fso-abyss, libgsm0710mux, frameworkd Mar 08 22:08:50 oh, ok. Mar 08 22:08:54 any major changes? Mar 08 22:08:57 and few other upgrades as s/midory/ventura/ Mar 08 22:09:05 cool :) Mar 08 22:09:07 JaMa: heh, great :) Mar 08 22:09:15 * mrmoku is going to bed now though :P Mar 08 22:09:20 JaMa: but ANT is more stupid than make Mar 08 22:09:28 TAsn: I guess that mickey's updated glue will make race conditions sticky enough to make them pass safely Mar 08 22:09:32 JaMa: will try it tomorrow Mar 08 22:09:43 gnight all Mar 08 22:09:55 JaMa, in other words, no more DEBUG needed? :P Mar 08 22:10:40 TAsn: I think it was mickey intention.. but haven't confirmed it here.. (seems like harder to reproduce with fsogsmd) Mar 08 22:10:50 i c. Mar 08 22:10:51 cool. Mar 08 22:11:06 nschle85: and mave trying to be more clever then it's master :) Mar 08 22:11:12 s/mave/maven/ Mar 08 22:11:13 JaMa meant: nschle85: and maven trying to be more clever then it's master :) Mar 08 22:12:09 doh, my common typo moved from its -> it's to it's -> its Mar 08 22:12:48 JaMa, just confirmed Mar 08 22:12:53 installing kernel-modules Mar 08 22:12:56 does not do anything Mar 08 22:13:00 hehe Mar 08 22:13:06 other than that I think I'm the same as mrmoku Mar 08 22:13:09 it uses more space! :) Mar 08 22:13:20 probably :) Mar 08 22:13:22 apt: sed is my best friend :-) Mar 08 22:13:23 ...but sed is already something else... Mar 08 22:13:44 TAsn: do you have mrmoku's ls -lR? Mar 08 22:13:55 whats that? Mar 08 22:14:05 to check all installed files... Mar 08 22:14:19 find . Mar 08 22:14:22 ? :P Mar 08 22:14:27 no, I don't. Mar 08 22:14:30 because different files would be overwritten/upgraded with opkg Mar 08 22:14:43 mrmoku|away, please provide the output of 'find /' :) Mar 08 22:14:46 but some leftovers from older images can stay there unnoticed and fix that Mar 08 22:14:53 ffs Mar 08 22:14:58 opkg remove kernel-modules Mar 08 22:15:01 did not remove them Mar 08 22:15:02 :| Mar 08 22:15:15 TAsn: ls -lR is better as you see sizes and types of files.. but ok Mar 08 22:15:31 mrmoku|away, I meant 'ls -lR /' Mar 08 22:15:32 :) Mar 08 22:15:43 COOL :D (xrandr switching to QVGA working with KMS) Mar 08 22:15:45 JaMa, probably best but slow would be Mar 08 22:15:51 -exec md5sum {} \; Mar 08 22:15:51 :) Mar 08 22:15:53 but ok Mar 08 22:16:12 Weiss, cool :) Mar 08 22:16:20 heh good one for /dev/mmcblk0p* :) Mar 08 22:16:30 Weiss: yey! Mar 08 22:16:33 lol :) Mar 08 22:16:43 probably for non dir/device/link/whatever nodes Mar 08 22:16:44 :) Mar 08 22:17:05 hmm I should check with that angstrom I have.. Mar 08 22:17:14 if it's efl issue then it will fail the same there.. Mar 08 22:17:25 I don't think it's an efl issue Mar 08 22:17:39 I think it is.. Mar 08 22:17:40 although raster said it may be Mar 08 22:17:47 JaMa, but it works for mrmoku Mar 08 22:17:58 as sending utf8 chars to gtk app works 100% Mar 08 22:17:58 It could be, no idea. Mar 08 22:18:07 JaMa, doesn't matter Mar 08 22:18:15 as gtk ignores locale in that aspect Mar 08 22:18:21 then I have no idea what would make it fail when typing to efl edit window Mar 08 22:18:24 gtk manages it's own stuff when it comes to input Mar 08 22:18:37 (I remember reading the code last time inputting utf8 didn't work) Mar 08 22:18:44 btw, JaMa Mar 08 22:18:47 latest efl on my pc Mar 08 22:18:51 with a regular keyboard Mar 08 22:18:52 works Mar 08 22:19:04 we should probably try to X forward an app to the desktop Mar 08 22:19:10 and check with a regular keyboard Mar 08 22:19:23 Configuring busybox. Mar 08 22:19:23 easy enough mmt Mar 08 22:19:25 all: good night .... and thank you for the "make update" fix. Mar 08 22:19:30 JaMa, should I be scared? ^ Mar 08 22:21:02 JaMa, ffs buggy opkg marked the kernel modules as Mar 08 22:21:05 "installed by user" Mar 08 22:22:00 TAsn: with new image, no known reason to be scared Mar 08 22:22:08 TAsn: but check init link just to be sure Mar 08 22:22:37 remind me, what should it link to? Mar 08 22:23:23 init.sysvinit Mar 08 22:23:37 just not busy box Mar 08 22:23:48 and stop highlighting docs :) Mar 08 22:24:27 huh? Mar 08 22:26:05 I guess that DocSc51 has highlight for crappybox already Mar 08 22:27:33 forgot to check link Mar 08 22:27:37 lets hope it works :) Mar 08 22:27:54 btw, sent an email to shr-user about upgrade Mar 08 22:28:41 mickey|zzZZzz: any hint? after fso-abyss/libgsm0710mux upgrade: http://pastebin.ca/1829185 Mar 08 22:29:10 TAsn: ^^ with frameworkd it works even better for you? without DEBUG? Mar 08 22:29:34 haven't tested without debug Mar 08 22:30:25 I can tell you one thing though Mar 08 22:30:30 abyss is not runnig :( Mar 08 22:30:49 TAsn, can I just delete sqlite db? (I've only SIM contacts now) Mar 08 22:31:00 IndentationError: unexpected indent Mar 08 22:31:01 I'll bump libfsotransport and fsogsmd locally as it seems that thay also need srcrev bump for new async stuff Mar 08 22:31:03 in ogsmd :( Mar 08 22:31:07 ffs Mar 08 22:31:08 I mean, would it then create a new db automatically? Mar 08 22:31:22 pespin, yes, you can delete all the .db files there. Mar 08 22:32:16 JaMa, ogsmd is broken in this rev Mar 08 22:34:14 commit 4d4641684459fd64552b4fa305615717dda3f961 Mar 08 22:34:17 this commit looks broken Mar 08 22:37:07 sec, trying to fix Mar 08 22:41:54 I have to revert this Mar 08 22:41:57 it's terribly broken Mar 08 22:47:31 JaMa, you'll may have to "rebuild" frameworkd. Mar 08 22:49:57 freesmartphone.org: 03tom 07framework * r613c4af0c982 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Mar 08 22:49:57 freesmartphone.org: Revert "Implement HFP pbook retrieval, call indication and bluetooth autostart" Mar 08 22:49:57 freesmartphone.org: The changes in this commit don't even pass syntax checking, I don't have the time or will to understand this commit and fix it properly. Leaving this for the original author. Mar 08 22:49:57 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 4d4641684459fd64552b4fa305615717dda3f961. Mar 08 22:52:10 JaMa, please rebuild framowkrd Mar 08 22:52:16 sorry, but it's not my fault :) Mar 08 22:58:02 night. :) Mar 08 22:58:12 night Mar 08 23:41:39 TAsn: utf8 input doesn't work in angstrom (tested with latest EFL in ventura) Mar 08 23:42:08 TAsn: so we can rule out kernel modules/eglibc Mar 08 23:43:57 TAsn: also fail to write utf8 chars to xterm window.. Mar 08 23:51:01 mickey|zzZZzz: last fsogsmd rev: | muxtransport.c: In function 'fso_gsm_lib_gsm0710mux_transport_construct': Mar 08 23:51:04 | muxtransport.c:200: error: incompatible types when assigning to type 'FsoFrameworkTransportSpec' from type 'gpointer' Mar 08 23:58:55 mickey|zzZZzz: and fsotdld needs a bit catch up of libfsotransport with missing BaseCommandQueue after http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=commitdiff;h=0dd50bde5649246e0cd1dea55e72c9898cc71be7#patch11 Mar 09 01:16:16 any debian pkg-fso kernel users ? I have unable to mount rootfs (using an ext3 partition and this kernel has ext3 as moddule). It boots with an older locally made kernel with ext3 builtin. Was the failure to be expected (module for / filesystem) . Mar 09 01:18:07 shouldn't it be available in the pivot rootfs at this stage ? I tried as far a rootdelay as 10 but no go Mar 09 01:18:46 is there a way to extract the rootfs from the uImage to check the modules are in ? Mar 09 01:57:40 hum there is nothing like initramfs ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 09 02:59:58 2010