**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 12 02:59:57 2010 Mar 12 06:09:57 Wonka: SRCREV in shr-u wasn't changed for last fsogsmd fix.. (and I disabled qualcom plugin manually on buildhost to finish build) now it's upgraded Mar 12 06:14:09 mooo Mar 12 06:52:04 Hi there. Upgraded my -testing and was surprised to see the new opimd -backend messages.. I didn't expect this to land to -testing yet. Mar 12 06:52:26 1) does it mean that from now on, opimd will not read or save anything from/to SIM? Mar 12 06:53:22 2) and that I need to run [something] to save SMS's and contacts from SIM and then run [something else] to make them visible for opimd? Mar 12 06:57:12 and does this actually mean that when someone installs & runs the latest SHR for the first time, he will not have his contacts imported from SIM? Mar 12 06:57:17 Hi graziano Mar 12 06:58:29 hi Mar 12 07:05:54 moin Mar 12 07:11:17 moin Mar 12 07:29:10 rhkfin: yes, I guess that means that. And when I branched off shr-testing we already had the new backend in (but I did not know about it). Mar 12 07:30:18 oh, ok... Mar 12 07:31:10 (that sucks, or I don't quite understand it) Mar 12 07:32:09 so.. if someone flashes the latest -testing, he will not have contacts visible without major manual hacking? Mar 12 07:40:38 SIM contacts, seems so. I can't find my freerunner atm... Mar 12 07:41:16 * spaetzWrk lost track of those opimd changes. Mar 12 07:42:15 does opkg just say, that there are config files to merge changes without that interface for merging? Mar 12 07:42:29 something like * resolve_conffiles: Existing conffile /etc/phoneuid.conf is different from the conffile in the new package. The new conffile will be placed at /etc/phoneuid.conf-opkg. Mar 12 07:42:39 Is this not-importing contacts only a temporary change or permanent? I can't really see any reason for this :/ Mar 12 07:44:03 rhkfin: there was some discusion on ML about sim contacts Mar 12 07:44:14 rhkfin: Tasn sent a couple mails about this to shr lists. Multiple backends were really really slow, so he's rewritten it to only support one backend. Mar 12 07:44:15 ok.. Mar 12 07:44:28 rhkfin: I don't track opimd changes too.. so I have no idea, but IIRC TAsnn said so Mar 12 07:44:36 and his rewrite only supports sqlite for now. Mar 12 07:44:59 and as he doesn't use SIM contacts and thinks they are inherently broken, he doesn't plan to add support either, I think Mar 12 07:45:14 * spaetzWrk disagrees that they are inherently unusable btw Mar 12 07:45:28 Truly interesting. Will check the ML. I don't mind what the backend is but making the 'first step' this high for a new user.. hmm.. Mar 12 07:45:41 not nice, I agree. Mar 12 07:46:00 * JaMa never tried but if pisi works as expected and can sync back and forth, than ok, but IIRC there were some bugs in syncing now Mar 12 07:46:10 great.. Mar 12 07:46:12 or at least "not so easy" to sync config Mar 12 07:46:18 Is PISI able to read contacts from SIM? Mar 12 07:46:22 simply pointing to PISI for converting from SIM to swlite is not exactly "user friendly" either. Mar 12 07:46:26 rhkfin: it should be Mar 12 07:46:27 rhkfin: apparently yes Mar 12 07:46:32 I've never used it Mar 12 07:46:55 me used it many times, but only for debuging segfaulting libxml :) Mar 12 07:47:00 hehe Mar 12 07:47:09 spaetzWrk: I agree, not very user friendly Mar 12 07:47:43 and because it segfaulted with syncml contacts/calendar, I don't know much about SIM+PISI Mar 12 07:52:18 JaMa: rhkfin: also with multiple backends there used to be no straight method to sync/copy contacts back to SIM from another backend. And you'd never know where from a particular contact was/is. So a mere button "import contacts from SIM" andsame for SMS, plus maybe a tool to write selected details of particular contacts back to SIM, clearly is the better more transparent way to handle that Mar 12 07:53:02 admittedly I guess we're not there yet Mar 12 07:53:57 Tried pisi last night - lost many contacts - seems that pisi and the newer backend dont agree on what field names should be :( Mar 12 07:55:32 BillK: yep, aiui TAsnn is aware of that Mar 12 07:55:33 DocScrutinizer: I agree that being able to import SMS and contacts from SIM is good enough (if well implemented :) - but now we're in the state that truly sucks.. Mar 12 07:55:47 ack Mar 12 07:56:41 I ran the upgrade, wasn't expecting to get into this with -testing.. So is anyone able to point me to what to do? I'm OK (well not really, but if it helps anything..) to loose everything I have stored on the phone, but yes, I'd like to have contacts & SMS from SIM importend to SHR.. Mar 12 07:58:23 hmm... this all just makes me want to try something else.. Please people, try to keep -testing working, ok..? No killers like this.. Mar 12 07:58:29 * DocScrutinizer hands stinky fish to rhkfin to slap TAsnn until TAsnn has explained to detail how to migrate to new opimd Mar 12 07:59:38 rhkfin: I agree it's quite unfortunate for testing to include bleeding edge systems like that Mar 12 07:59:43 * JaMa will try to put warning and better split commits for easier cherry-picking to testing next time Mar 12 07:59:58 * rhkfin gets his rubber gloves, accepts the stinky fish gift from DocScrutinizer and raises the fish high, looking for TAsnn... Mar 12 08:00:03 rhkfin: then you need someone to actually take care of -testing and not having me do it, with a family and a full time job who does -testing on the side :) Mar 12 08:02:24 spaetzWrk: :/ I respect your work, thank you for it. Please allow me a couple of hours to cool down from this :) Mar 12 08:03:26 spaetzWrk: cannot be frameworkd downgraded rev, before opimd merge? Mar 12 08:04:12 spaetzWrk: this revision should be OK http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?h=shr/testing2010&id=cb4b900d42c7ed4969128fc53271b1e7e08df81b Mar 12 08:04:40 but 2 following commits had to be reverted too Mar 12 08:05:45 but maybe is too late (no idea if older database stayed where it was and if old opimd would work ok now) Mar 12 08:06:07 ...the keyboard I wish for SHR ... http://blog.alltechrelated.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/IMG_0391.png Mar 12 08:06:53 anyone know if this has been fixed in -testing? Mar 12 08:06:53 I've done the update process to update my contact db to the new one. But all Mar 12 08:06:56 my contact list have a "Cell phone" field with the phone number's contact Mar 12 08:07:00 value. And it seems that "message phoneui" doesn't take this field to Mar 12 08:07:02 convert number->name from the contact db. Mar 12 08:16:13 JaMa: older database stayed put (though i just deleted them) Mar 12 08:16:26 sqlite-*.db Mar 12 08:16:43 so might be just a case of reverting those patches Mar 12 08:17:33 and pisi does seem to be problematic when more than one phonenumber field is present Mar 12 08:18:53 Anyone have installed a fresh shr-testing in the last 24 hours or so? Were your SIM contacts & SMS imported? Mar 12 08:19:54 sicu: yeah, but for those who already removed them like you, there is no script for "format downgrade" :/ Mar 12 08:19:58 http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2010-March/003984.html (message from Tom explaining the SIM-dislike) Mar 12 08:23:08 http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2010-March/004056.html <- hwo to fix PISI fails.. Mar 12 08:25:18 yes, i like the new look very much. Mar 12 08:25:39 yes, i like the new look very much. Mar 12 08:26:21 illume2? Not very usable yet.. Tried but I'll wait a while. But true, looks nice. Mar 12 08:26:23 it needs a window list button, too. and a phone button to make using it as a phone easier too. the phone button should do sms/dialer/contacts/missed calls Mar 12 08:26:37 ya, illume2 Mar 12 08:26:57 i've been using it since i got it Mar 12 08:28:09 JaMa: thanks. fsogsmd now built. Mar 12 08:28:10 i have a few screenshots on http://scap.linuxtogo.org Mar 12 08:28:57 gonzoism: "missed calls" only? not "call lists" with missed calls, taken calls, placed calls? Mar 12 08:29:34 Wonka, ya, that whole thing Mar 12 08:29:42 :) Mar 12 08:29:43 maybe a chooser for those 4 options. Mar 12 08:29:54 i was thinking about that. Mar 12 08:30:07 too difficult to use as a phone. well, more difficult than before. Mar 12 08:30:58 also, for so many preferences and all, most are only 2 or 3 or 4 clicks away. that is pretty good, i think. Mar 12 08:31:03 menus aren't too complicated Mar 12 08:32:05 doc's usability labs is pleased to hear that Mar 12 08:33:09 also, on the OS as a whole, I think ya'll are doing a great job, and have made a good OS Mar 12 08:33:53 mature and featured. even though i think that myself and probably most others consider the OS and phone bare and minimal. Mar 12 08:34:20 it is actually pretty versatile and full of features. Mar 12 08:35:05 I do wish the whole screen would slide though. so you can go into other desktops, clear desktops. kind of like that screen splitter now, but you slide over into a full screen Mar 12 08:35:22 I like how it has a terminal emulator and ssh coming with it ;) Mar 12 08:35:27 Sean would love it :-) "Usefulness comes from what is not there" Mar 12 08:35:55 Wonka, you mean sshd ? Mar 12 08:36:06 gonzoism: no, the ssh client. Mar 12 08:36:25 ah. :) ya, the client and keyboard and networking really makes the phone. Mar 12 08:36:31 gonzoism: I ssh from my FR to my $server running a screen with an irssi inside Mar 12 08:36:49 does the iPhone have ssh? Mar 12 08:36:52 or android? Mar 12 08:37:14 or maemo? Mar 12 08:37:15 i don't know. i've been meaning to boot the android OS onto this and check it out. Mar 12 08:37:28 * JaMa is inverted and usually ssh from server screen to neo :) Mar 12 08:37:36 I won't. But I'd like a way to use android apps on FR. Mar 12 08:37:48 you can probably download a ssh client on the iphone. i know it has a shell and the gnu tools on it. Mar 12 08:38:07 Wonka: you bet maemo has ssh Mar 12 08:38:14 JaMa: that's a problem here - I am NATed. Mar 12 08:38:30 DocScrutinizer: and a terminal emulator too? out of the box? Mar 12 08:38:35 sure Mar 12 08:38:37 * gonzoism uses a full size keyboard like that too. Mar 12 08:38:47 JaMa, ^ Mar 12 08:38:49 Wonka: what's problem with NAT? you can create vpn tunnel somewhere and use that Mar 12 08:38:50 DocScrutinizer: oh. would not have thought. Mar 12 08:39:03 I'm sure maemo has ssh.. Mar 12 08:39:14 JaMa: well, yes, but its something I need to do first ;) Mar 12 08:39:38 you do it on server from init.d and never care again :) Mar 12 08:39:57 JaMa: anyway, I ssh in via USB cable mostly, or via wifi - didn't have a place where I could ssh in only over GPRS Mar 12 08:40:28 JaMa: er, no. I don't. I try not to leave auth data on the FR. Mar 12 08:40:41 rhkfin: ssh/sshd/ssh-full-package not ootb, but in official extras repo Mar 12 08:40:55 ok Mar 12 08:40:57 JaMa: I would not want to have someone access my home LAN after stealing my FR. Mar 12 08:40:58 i did wifi more when i had my charger. i lost it, and now i'm always using usb even though wifi is on. Mar 12 08:41:04 (SHR doesn't have sshd either ootb :) Mar 12 08:41:24 rhkfin: it doesn't? it has a dropbear ootb, afair. Mar 12 08:41:37 hmm.. not sure.. Mar 12 08:41:38 i think they stopped using dropbear Mar 12 08:41:41 you might be right Mar 12 08:41:45 and went with openssh Mar 12 08:41:48 yeah, it's openssh now Mar 12 08:41:55 sshd is started by default. Mar 12 08:42:10 done with my opkg search for today: http://django.sspaeth.de/search/by-name/ Mar 12 08:42:13 don't remember, maybe it was debian (for Freerunner) that didn't have sshd installed by default.. Mar 12 08:42:17 better. replacing dropbear with opensshd was one of my first things too. Mar 12 08:42:19 oh, my score on cell hunter went from 1,200 to 10,000 in a week ! :) Mar 12 08:42:20 Wonka: Ah, then I did understand wrong.. I've neo connected to workstation over usb, but to that workstation I would connect throught VPN tunnel if that workstation (with neo on usb) is hidden by NAT Mar 12 08:42:21 allows searching for pkgs in the repo by name Mar 12 08:42:54 spaetzWrk, you haven't updated your blog in a while. your shr blog Mar 12 08:43:03 spaetzWrk: interesting, the search!! Mar 12 08:43:17 (how come it can't find pisi?) Mar 12 08:43:29 gonzoism: nope, I haven't. I should have announced the shr-testing update Mar 12 08:43:32 .oO( at least I know what django is... *sigh* too less time ) Mar 12 08:43:32 actually it doesn't find anything.. Mar 12 08:43:40 no javascript? Mar 12 08:43:47 spaetzWrk, i check it all the time. I like it. Mar 12 08:43:56 Should have.. Mar 12 08:44:18 spaetzWrk, i should probably do one too. want to host it ? Mar 12 08:44:26 I enter "pisi" and it shouws "pisi and pisi-dev" Mar 12 08:44:31 :/ Mar 12 08:44:34 spaetzWrk, i mean i should write about the neo and shr Mar 12 08:44:40 with a link to http://django.sspaeth.de/opkg/show/pisi Mar 12 08:44:46 I activated JS and entered "a" - got nothing. Mar 12 08:45:16 oh, ok, works with Konqueror, but not with Chromium Mar 12 08:45:21 fast, wow! Mar 12 08:45:25 Wonka: why the heck does it work for me? Mar 12 08:45:28 works with firefox. and ya, wow, fast. Mar 12 08:45:35 I enter a and see a list of pckgs Mar 12 08:45:43 ahh, FIrefox only? weird... Mar 12 08:45:52 spaetzWrk: you rock!!!! Mar 12 08:45:57 what browsers do not work? I only tested with FF Mar 12 08:46:00 spaetzWrk: dunno. Mar 12 08:46:16 spaetzWrk: FF 3.0.18 here Mar 12 08:46:17 This is a step further from opkg.org, but not quite as far as david/tuxbrain was targeting (but never got there..) Mar 12 08:46:33 WTF is chromium ? ;-P Mar 12 08:46:35 rhkfin: that is my plan. I want to add user comments, user ratings and screen shot submissions Mar 12 08:46:54 FF 3.0. OK will need to test with that Mar 12 08:47:06 and a filter that only shows "end user apps" Mar 12 08:47:12 spaetzWrk: I LOVE YOU! (ok, don't get it wrong :) Mar 12 08:47:15 :) Mar 12 08:47:18 thanks Mar 12 08:47:33 Ok, so a bunch of questions: Mar 12 08:47:40 no more links to out-of-date ipkgs Mar 12 08:47:58 a) SHOW US THE CODE :)! (in VCS, please :) Mar 12 08:48:10 rhkfin: will do in a sec. hold on Mar 12 08:48:14 spaetzWrk, works on midori. :) Mar 12 08:48:20 b) will all packages be there Mar 12 08:48:38 c) is there a step to approve packages or wil all libs etc be also shown? Mar 12 08:48:50 sorry, gotta do work on my day job atm... Mar 12 08:49:01 d) when will you write an Freerunner GUI :)? Mar 12 08:49:06 spaetzWrk: Konqueror4.3.1 : enter "s"->lots of packages, "ss"->null, "ssh"->null, "enter"->null Mar 12 08:49:50 spaetzWrk: doesn't do instring search? Mar 12 08:49:53 e) Please do release it with a lot of noise to get people attracted! ML, blog, microblogs.. Mar 12 08:50:06 no, just checks for the start of a package name for now Mar 12 08:50:35 rhkfin: it's still work in progress and I'll have to blow away the database a few times. But I will make it public Mar 12 08:50:44 DocScrutinizer: only searching beginning of pkg names for now Mar 12 08:50:52 Just wanted to get something to work Mar 12 08:50:54 spaetzWrk: there was a nice discussion about filters to find only 'usable' packages, when david was working on his apt-portal-based version Mar 12 08:50:57 spaetzWrk: obviously Mar 12 08:51:07 You might benefit from that: it filtered libs etc etc away. Mar 12 08:51:18 spaetzWrk: was more of a suggestion rather than a question Mar 12 08:51:31 rhkfin: http://bitbucket.org/spaetz/opkgrepo/ Mar 12 08:51:42 (he I like the rhythm of that) Mar 12 08:51:45 DocScrutinizer: yes, nicer search will be a must have. Mar 12 08:52:01 rhkfin: exactly, hide away libs etc. Mar 12 08:52:25 I will do some automatically (like examine the section an app is in and hide 'libs') Mar 12 08:52:48 but also allow people to manually categorize things as "end user app". Mar 12 08:52:50 jftr, http://django.sspaeth.de/search/by-name/a does return lots of stuff Mar 12 08:53:11 I like the "see version numbers for shr-T vs shr-U side-by-side" Mar 12 08:53:12 seems to me the JS doing the search request doesn't work here Mar 12 08:53:40 spaetzWrk: see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-September/054798.html for a preliminary list of filters: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-September/054798.html Mar 12 08:53:54 Wonka: http://django.sspaeth.de/search/by-name/a will display the inline list of packages that is queried by http://django.sspaeth.de/search/by-name/ and searching for "a" Mar 12 08:54:08 rhkfin: thanks, useful links. Will check Mar 12 08:54:20 spaetzWrk: I know, I read the piece of JS in http://django.sspaeth.de/search/by-name/ ;) Mar 12 08:54:42 spaetzWrk: just wanted to tell how I came to my conclusion that the JS doesn't work here Mar 12 08:55:27 Wonka: yep, seems like it. I am using jquery and I don't know which browser versions that is compatible with. Mar 12 08:55:34 I am not a JS wizard, really :) Mar 12 08:56:11 .oO( I'd have tried to do it without any JS... means a page reload for every search, but so what? that page is quite small. ) Mar 12 08:56:33 Wonka: suggestions welcome Mar 12 08:57:13 If load is high, I might just require an ENTER :) Mar 12 08:57:39 also, I would like to offer like the 10 highest-rated pkgs as autocomplete-options. Mar 12 08:57:50 so far, I am happy with having a search at all :) Mar 12 09:20:58 we (and by that i mean somebody, because i don't know how) should make shr remember what icons you click, and order them first. there would be a lot less scrolling. Mar 12 09:21:19 dunno how hard that would be Mar 12 09:22:26 did I post to URL to the source code for opkg.org v2 already? Mar 12 09:22:32 anyway: http://bitbucket.org/spaetz/opkgrepo/ Mar 12 09:23:16 mmm we are using opkg v1 in the recent distro and there is a work in progress for v2? Mar 12 09:24:13 no, I am just playing with something that could become http://opkg.org done right. Mar 12 09:24:24 ah now I remember Mar 12 09:24:26 yes Mar 12 09:24:27 that one Mar 12 09:24:32 with "right" being my definition of right :) Mar 12 09:24:32 good good good job Mar 12 09:24:57 I think the wiki should stop referring to opkg.org as "application directory" Mar 12 09:25:06 or explain better the situation Mar 12 09:25:11 it's a bit misleading right now Mar 12 09:26:26 graziano: I agree. Feel free to change :) Mar 12 09:26:58 uh? A huge responsability :) Mar 12 09:32:50 spaetzWrk: I have a bit of experience with writing web-software-directories, http://shellscripts.org/ is made for and by me. If you need a hand, shoot. Mar 12 09:32:50 nevermind the design, though :) Mar 12 09:35:08 blindcoder: cool, thanks Mar 12 09:35:49 see how it goes: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Resources#Applications_Directory Mar 12 09:36:27 oh, mercurial Mar 12 09:36:47 yet another versioning system I don't know ;) Mar 12 09:37:10 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r1fa637e8efda 10/scripts/strace-msm-parse.py: scripts: add strace-msm-parse.py script to trace strace dumps from TelephonyInterfaceLayerGsm Mar 12 09:37:11 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r8eb5a1d56d1b 10/docs/record-til-dump.txt: docs: add instructions howto create a dump from a strace log of TelephonyInterfaceLayer Mar 12 09:37:12 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rc3ee57be664e 10/libmsmcomm/ (5 files in 2 dirs): libmsmcomm: fix detection of sim type reponses/events Mar 12 09:37:20 blindcoder: oh, there is a tarball download link for you : http://bitbucket.org/spaetz/opkgrepo/downloads/ :) Mar 12 09:37:39 graziano: oh, now you made it public ;-), now I have to deliver... Mar 12 09:38:31 oooppssss Mar 12 09:45:56 see you in 3 days or so.. bye Mar 12 09:46:50 spaetzWrk: I so much like what you're doing with the opkg thing.. I'll follow the commit RSS.. :) Mar 12 09:47:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf69b8099f672 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_ti_calypso/unsolicited.vala: fsogsmd: ti_calypso: implement stubs for %CSQ and %CPRI to silence the warning Mar 12 09:48:33 spaetzWrk: having a look at your live version, it's looking good. I assume it's auto-fed by the output of the buildhost? Mar 12 09:53:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * rbf54b8333d74 10/zhone2/src/gsmagent.vala: zhone2: make usage integration optional (for debugging) Mar 12 09:56:48 I still have to get if this zhone2 is a demo app or something that will be used for real in the future, Mar 12 09:58:25 zhone2 is going to stay a demo app, roughly with the same functionality as zhone1, but written in Vala. The idea is to show how to talk with fsogsmd and how to write EFL-apps in Vala Mar 12 10:00:21 blindcoder: it downloads the /Packages files from the repositories and parses them. Mar 12 10:00:32 TAsnn, mrmoku|away: I want to have a function to import and export contacts to and from SIM. I think a little button "export to sim" for every contact should be possible. And then another screen to manage sim contacts where you can import a contact by clicking on it or import all. This screen can be in shr-settings or quicksettings or under options of the main screen of contacts. What do you think about it, where should such a screen Mar 12 10:00:33 be located? I would try to integrate it. Mar 12 10:00:38 rhkfin: hehe, now I am flattered :) Mar 12 10:00:48 spaetzWrk: why :)? Mar 12 10:01:14 I did not expect this to be interesting enough for others. Just a personal itch... Mar 12 10:01:21 spaetzWrk: will you announce it on the mailing lists or will i do it.. :)? It needs to be done :) Are you ok to allow other people to access the source, write access, I mean? Mar 12 10:01:37 sure. Mar 12 10:01:37 spaetzWrk: This is what I've been waiting for since I realized opkg.org wasn't.. going very far.. Mar 12 10:01:59 the more the merrier ;) Mar 12 10:02:15 a glacier is fast compared to opkg.org, true Mar 12 10:02:33 spaetzWrk: perhaps it would be interesting to hide -dev, -dbg and -dev packages and just place them unter the main package Mar 12 10:02:45 they are already hidden :) Mar 12 10:02:59 well, -dev packages since a few minutes Mar 12 10:03:03 spaetzWrk: oh :) i had a look yesterday Mar 12 10:03:12 I really don't import them at all, not even hidden Mar 12 10:03:15 spaetzWrk: at some stage David/tuxbrain started working on apt-portal code to work with opkg repositories. He also got some preliminary imports done etc but then I guess he got more interested in nanonote.. Mar 12 10:03:24 they are not udeful for a application directory IMHO Mar 12 10:03:38 useful Mar 12 10:04:35 see playdeb.net, the same code.. (launchpad: apt-portal) Mar 12 10:05:19 spaetzWrk:http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/building-community-around-your-foss.html <- just because it's an awesome post and you are currently working on something that'd benefit from other people :) Mar 12 10:20:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * rf2f0e51b5737 10/zhone2/src/ (gsmagent.vala main.vala): zhone2: add initiate and hangup Mar 12 10:20:33 zhone2 ?! Mar 12 10:21:06 yes, as told by mickey, that a rewrite in vala, to aact as a demo Mar 12 10:21:10 so, what? Mar 12 10:21:22 This can become something gooood! I like Zhone but it has it's.. well.. problems. Mar 12 10:21:31 [2010-03-12 10:58:25] zhone2 is going to stay a demo app, roughly with the same functionality as zhone1, but written in Vala. The idea is to show how to talk with fsogsmd and how to write EFL-apps in Vala Mar 12 10:21:42 hmm.. ok.. Mar 12 10:22:07 I hope mickey|office will also fix/add something here&there :) Mar 12 10:27:42 i took a screenshot of my desktop. It has looked like this for four years. http://i.imgur.com/y9CDe.png Mar 12 11:17:02 How about some serious feature freeze & release candidates & bug fixing before releasing SHR stable? In it's current state I can't see a reason to call it stable :/ Only renaming unstable to testing every now and then and then renaming testing to stable every now and then (without allowing time for testing to be tested & bugfixed, gut importing new bugs from -unstable) doesn't seem like a very good approach.. Mar 12 11:17:13 graziano: what do you think we should do with your gnuchess icon? Mar 12 11:17:43 graziano: xboad supports more then just gnuchess and gnuchess doesn't need xboard Mar 12 11:17:53 so adding a cross depencie between them is wrong Mar 12 11:18:23 let's suppose someone wants to install and play chess Mar 12 11:18:26 perhaps we can add an additional package xboard-gnuchess-launcher Mar 12 11:18:38 on SHR there is xboard installable via a simple opkg install Mar 12 11:18:50 but xboard needs another piece to run properly Mar 12 11:18:58 gnuchess or the other one I never remember Mar 12 11:19:19 and a user expect an icon when he install some software Mar 12 11:19:46 graziano: if it would be a generic icon then everything would be ok Mar 12 11:19:58 but your icon add's another depencie Mar 12 11:20:03 so playing chess on SHR needs -> a chess icon, a desktop file, xboard, gnuchess (or the other one), maybe a recipe? Mar 12 11:20:16 because your icon explicitly depends on gnuchess and xboard Mar 12 11:20:35 Heinervdm: such a screen would be nice indeed :) Mar 12 11:20:43 have to think a bit where and how Mar 12 11:21:05 and then... my laptop disk died... so I can't do anything productive apart from thinking right now :/ Mar 12 11:21:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * ra19c0f13d8dd 10/zhone2/src/ (callpage.vala main.vala page.vala): zhone2: more work on callpage Mar 12 11:21:26 mrmoku: and another think i would like to have is a generic sync interface, so everyone can write syncbackends in an easy way Mar 12 11:22:10 mrmoku: but i don't know how to do this in C Mar 12 11:22:13 Heinervdm: that would be something inside opimd, right? Mar 12 11:22:18 (syncbackends) Mar 12 11:22:29 mrmoku: ne we moved such things away from opimd Mar 12 11:22:54 Heinervdm: I am not here to discuss technical details, that is not my field and I don't know who this could be solved or implemented. I know what users expect when they wish to do something as I am a user too. Then I think many people here could find a solution to this problem Mar 12 11:23:03 Heinervdm: and where do you see that generic sync interface? Mar 12 11:23:14 which component should implement it? Mar 12 11:23:33 I thought we could improve gaming on shr and I chose to start by the game that are already there such as pingus or gnu chess Mar 12 11:23:37 mrmoku: i think it should be part of libphone-ui Mar 12 11:24:06 ok Mar 12 11:24:43 graziano: that's ok, i just want to give you some feedback. And i think the only right solution is an additional package Mar 12 11:24:44 to play gnu chess there are some elements needed: xboard + gnuchess + icon + .desktop file (that I know of), plus maybe some other things I ignore Mar 12 11:25:03 thanks for your feedback I appreciate it a lot Mar 12 11:25:13 graziano: so now we have to decide how to name that package Mar 12 11:25:37 e.g. how does it work for pingus? Mar 12 11:25:45 bbiab Mar 12 11:25:49 it is able to install and it has an icon too and a .desktop file and a .sh script Mar 12 11:26:09 graziano: for pingus it was easy, because it's just one package Mar 12 11:26:38 graziano: but xboard and gnuchess are independet packages Mar 12 11:27:02 sort of independent Mar 12 11:28:36 oh now I see what are you meaning :) Mar 12 11:28:37 sorry Mar 12 11:28:51 raster: ping Mar 12 11:29:24 graziano: so i can only see the solution with an additonal package, but how should we name it that a user will find it Mar 12 11:29:26 lunch now, see you later Mar 12 11:29:30 ok Mar 12 11:31:59 in Edje.h void (*signal_emit) (void* data, Evas_Object *obj, const char* emission, const char* source); is the caller supposed free them or not? Mar 12 11:32:17 mickey|office: hey Mar 12 11:32:40 no Mar 12 11:32:47 thus why they are const char * Mar 12 11:32:50 i see Mar 12 11:32:57 then i need to map them as 'unowned' in Vala Mar 12 11:32:58 thanks Mar 12 11:33:15 its much the same as gtk_label_set(obj, label); Mar 12 11:33:43 the string is used and read. it wil be "copied" so u dont need to care what happens after that Mar 12 11:35:28 yes, for methods like that it's clear. i wasn't sure about the semantics in callbacks though Mar 12 11:36:08 callbacks the same Mar 12 11:36:14 u have no need to free the strings Mar 12 11:36:25 they are passed to u from the callbakc struct contents Mar 12 11:36:29 just use as u see fit Mar 12 11:36:32 or dont Mar 12 11:36:34 its up to you Mar 12 11:38:53 k Mar 12 11:39:48 morning Mar 12 11:55:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * r9a07bb5e0796 10/zhone2/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am): zhone2: enable optional debug build Mar 12 11:56:52 spaetzWrk, good look with the n900 Mar 12 11:57:24 i'll try to package fso for debian/ubuntu based systems (maybe soon) Mar 12 12:16:32 hey guys, Im having problems with gprs connection: everytime I disconnect from the settings-connectivity it ceases to work, connection reads "UNKNOWN" and with my skills only help is to restart. Tried to look for tickets but failed to find one, could any of you guys push me to the right direction with this? Mar 12 12:27:19 whirl: known problem. pppd kills FSO Mar 12 12:27:44 ages since I reported it - blame mickey|office ;-) Mar 12 12:28:13 Ah, cool Mar 12 12:28:19 back Mar 12 12:28:21 * mickey|office takes the blame and forwards it to Python / GLib, Python-GLib, and strange futex blockings Mar 12 12:28:48 sounds good :D Mar 12 12:29:09 actually I think I just managed to disconnect without problems Mar 12 12:29:14 lets have another go Mar 12 12:29:33 mickey|office: yeah, python hanging on some futex, i saw that myself :( Mar 12 12:29:43 Never even tried to understand :| Mar 12 12:29:47 same here Mar 12 12:29:50 that's really where i give up Mar 12 12:30:03 note that it never happened to me w/ fsogsmd Mar 12 12:30:05 so there's hope Mar 12 12:36:25 uumm it works when I connect with mokonnect and disconnect from settings Mar 12 12:37:52 whirl: it's somewhat nondeterministic Mar 12 12:37:58 iirc Mar 12 12:39:06 Heinervdm: about that package... Mar 12 12:41:35 something like chess? Mar 12 12:44:42 whirl: for me it frequently hangs on roaming GPRS from one cell to another Mar 12 12:50:18 mickey|office: and iirc it's been a regression introduced sometime around SHR-U-2009-07 Mar 12 12:50:48 maybe earlier Mar 12 12:53:37 Heinervdm, graziano: what about xboard-gnuchess ? in generic would be xboard-BACKEND Mar 12 12:53:52 and then do some metapackage like xboard->xboard-gnuchess Mar 12 12:54:32 o just levae xboard with no backend dependencies, in case someone wants to use a bakcned which doesn't have a package Mar 12 12:54:55 * graziano can't comment on that, hope someone here can provide assistence and suggestions Mar 12 12:59:48 g'afternoon guys Mar 12 13:00:35 I think I know now why noone can understand me on my FR Mar 12 13:00:46 I just called myself from skype and recorded the call Mar 12 13:01:08 replaying the call gives lots of GSM interference, even though my FR is a buzzfixed version :( Mar 12 13:01:21 granted, that was with zhone, I'll retry with phoneuid Mar 12 13:01:26 this is latest SHR-T Mar 12 13:06:10 oh, yeah, no call window Mar 12 13:06:22 blindcoder: that's actually bad Mar 12 13:07:44 blindcoder: A7 or A6++ ? Mar 12 13:08:46 DocScrutinizer: A7 without 1024 fix Mar 12 13:09:22 DocScrutinizer: there's a short phase in which there is no buzz Mar 12 13:09:26 strange. We have a number of reports about A7 worse on fixing buzz than A6 with rework Mar 12 13:09:29 about 15 seconds of a 68 second call Mar 12 13:09:51 blindcoder: TX-pwr-lvl Mar 12 13:10:18 DocScrutinizer: reasonable assumption. workaround? Mar 12 13:10:57 * DocScrutinizer wonders if the friggin fab in Suzhou might have messed the Rs Mar 12 13:11:29 I can provide the recording, if you like Mar 12 13:11:32 blindcoder: you're familiar with a DMM? Mar 12 13:11:51 DocScrutinizer: digital multimeter? yes, but don't have one at home Mar 12 13:12:04 but I was looking for an excuse to get one for a while :) Mar 12 13:12:21 blindcoder: could you do me a favour and probe a few values eventually Mar 12 13:12:29 sure Mar 12 13:13:22 if by any chance you can get hold of a 1k or 2k resistor, or somesuch, that would also be great Mar 12 13:13:54 which size? I can get some at Conrad Mar 12 13:14:15 doesn't matter. conveniently wired Mar 12 13:14:18 okay Mar 12 13:14:43 hmm, this weekend there's a linux convention in chemnitz but after the weekend the berlin geeks should be mostly back and I have monday and tuesday off Mar 12 13:14:49 guess I can get that done then Mar 12 13:15:03 cool. ping me Mar 12 13:15:10 will do ;) Mar 12 13:16:54 Chemnitzer Linuxtage? Mar 12 13:17:03 hmm prolly Mar 12 13:17:19 was just wondering as well Mar 12 13:25:04 yes, those Mar 12 13:25:10 unfortunately I will not be there :( Mar 12 13:25:44 used to be there with ROCK Linux or the gaming booth in recent years, but job ddin't allow anymore since last year Mar 12 14:12:17 heyho Mar 12 14:22:55 graziano: if you want, you can point the wiki page to my new "production" site at http://opkg-repo.org Mar 12 14:23:56 Using mysql is actually a bit slower than the previous sqlite installation, but it's still fast enough. I can always switch. Mar 12 14:24:48 wow Mar 12 14:24:51 do it in a minute Mar 12 14:25:19