**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 27 02:59:56 2010
Mar 27 07:55:17 <mrmoku> yay :D
Mar 27 07:55:20 <mrmoku> playya: signals work :)
Mar 27 07:55:47 * mrmoku will checkout phonefsod's libfso-glib branch now...
Mar 27 08:31:32 <playya_> ,oin
Mar 27 08:31:41 <playya_> moin
Mar 27 08:31:51 <leviathan> playya_: moin auch zu dir
Mar 27 08:31:58 <leviathan> noch keine morgenziggi gehabt?
Mar 27 08:32:05 <leviathan> oder flasht sie gerade?
Mar 27 08:32:16 <playya_> just came back 
Mar 27 08:32:22 <leviathan> *gg* ah, ok
Mar 27 08:39:39 <playya_> aynone knows a lib to parse TZif2?
Mar 27 08:58:16 <mrmoku> playyaWorking: cool... my libfso-glib phonefsod just registered to the network :-)
Mar 27 08:59:03 <playya_> yay
Mar 27 08:59:16 <mrmoku> one BIG step forwared :)
Mar 27 09:43:46 <playya_> hmm. onen still is in #openmoko-de 
Mar 27 10:43:29 <JaMaOff> TAsnn: lol, let me know if you have usb connectivity :)
Mar 27 10:53:05 <mrmoku> JaMaOff: I have still no luck with fsogsmd
Mar 27 10:53:08 <mrmoku> 2010-03-27T10:52:30.016469Z [ERROR] TiCalypsoModem <4C>: Can't open main channel; open returned false
Mar 27 11:12:13 <JaMaOff> mrmoku: updated fsogsmd.conf with switch-for-kernel I guess
Mar 27 11:12:28 <JaMaOff> mrmoku: do you have DEBUG in transport section of fsogsmd.conf?
Mar 27 11:12:32 <mrmoku> JaMaOff: running old kernel
Mar 27 11:13:30 <JaMaOff> I need DEBUG, but haven't tried with old kernel lately
Mar 27 11:13:56 * mrmoku turns on DEBUG
Mar 27 11:14:12 <mrmoku> JaMaOff: what would I have to change in config for the new kerneL?
Mar 27 11:17:11 <JaMaOff> only what's in switch-for-kernel script
Mar 27 11:17:30 <mrmoku> ahh ok :)
Mar 27 11:17:45 <JaMaOff> and disable ogsmd in frameworkd.conf if you're going for fsogsmd too
Mar 27 11:17:53 <mrmoku> sure
Mar 27 11:18:45 * JaMaOff is looking forward for mrmoku's commit to phone* enabling easy fsogsmd use
Mar 27 11:22:47 <JaMa|Zzzz> ... terrible hangover.. ;)
Mar 27 11:23:06 <mrmoku> JaMa|Zzzz: moment
Mar 27 11:23:08 <mrmoku> JaMa|Zzzz: [transport]
Mar 27 11:23:08 <mrmoku> log_level = DEBUG
Mar 27 11:23:11 <mrmoku> is that correct?
Mar 27 11:23:40 <mrmoku> anyway... cure your hangover first :P
Mar 27 11:37:55 * mrmoku rebooting with new kernel
Mar 27 11:45:36 <mrmoku> hmm... refuses to do so... even with rootdelay set to 15
Mar 27 12:01:38 <mrmoku> hmm... 2.6.32.9 boots... 2.6.32.10 not so
Mar 27 12:27:29 <TAsn> JaMa|Zzzz, .32: usb0
Mar 27 12:31:00 <TAsn> fixed it. :P
Mar 27 12:48:40 <mrmoku> TAsn: which one have you installed? .9 or .10?
Mar 27 12:49:37 <mrmoku> TAsn: btw. labels for the dimming/suspend sliders in quick-settings have the names swapped
Mar 27 12:49:42 <mrmoku> on = off and off = on
Mar 27 12:55:13 <TAsn> mrmoku, yeah, also noticed that the other day
Mar 27 12:55:27 <TAsn> though IIRC it's an elementary behavior, not mine.
Mar 27 12:55:30 <TAsn> will verify though.
Mar 27 12:58:25 <mrmoku> TAsn: and kernel? .9 or .10?
Mar 27 12:58:29 <mrmoku> .10 does not boot for me
Mar 27 12:59:03 <TAsn> .10 iirc
Mar 27 12:59:14 <TAsn> .9
Mar 27 12:59:14 <TAsn> :P
Mar 27 12:59:17 <mrmoku> ahh :P
Mar 27 12:59:18 <mrmoku> ok
Mar 27 12:59:27 <TAsn> Linux om-gta02 2.6.32.9
Mar 27 12:59:42 <mrmoku> JaMa|Zzzz: looks like .10 does not boot from SD via Qi at leasstg
Mar 27 12:59:48 <mrmoku> (with rootdelay=15)
Mar 27 13:01:54 <mrmoku> JaMa|Zzzz: and no go with fsogsmd... probably should not have built task-fso2 with autorev :P
Mar 27 13:02:04 <TAsn> JaMa|Zzzz, and I see we don't have all the scenarios yet :|
Mar 27 13:02:26 <TAsn> and btw I think led path have changed
Mar 27 13:02:33 <TAsn> as I don't have power led when I connect to usb
Mar 27 13:03:35 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn, mrmoku, .32.10 works great here
Mar 27 13:04:47 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: SD or flash? 
Mar 27 13:04:50 <JesusMcCloud> except for some occasional flakes on screen after resume, which are gone after whole screen refreshes
Mar 27 13:04:55 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, SD
Mar 27 13:05:00 <mrmoku> with Qi
Mar 27 13:05:01 <mrmoku> ?
Mar 27 13:05:04 <JesusMcCloud> Qi
Mar 27 13:05:10 <JesusMcCloud> rootdelay 15
Mar 27 13:05:16 <mrmoku> strange... probably likes your SD better than mine :P
Mar 27 13:05:32 <mrmoku> will retry though
Mar 27 13:05:40 <JesusMcCloud> i'm not sure... it is a crappy sd... my good sd is in my cam
Mar 27 13:06:37 <TAsn> probably the crappy sd is terribly slow and causes a positive race to happen :P
Mar 27 13:08:30 * mrmoku thinks TAsn is right :P
Mar 27 13:09:54 <JesusMcCloud> i did the followong in that order: put kernel into /boot, changed symlink, depmod -a ..., renamed /etc/modutils/snd-soc-neo, (changed 2.6.32.9 to 2.6.32.10 in the script) and ran the script
Mar 27 13:10:28 <JesusMcCloud> what i dont know is why it now says 'JBT not installed!!!' when i power it on
Mar 27 13:10:41 <nano13> hi
Mar 27 13:10:56 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud, It's "ok" I also get that.
Mar 27 13:11:32 <nano1> hi
Mar 27 13:11:37 <JesusMcCloud> just wanted to provide you wth info... and since it works great i figured that its ok... though you still notice some rough edges...
Mar 27 13:12:25 <TAsn> Oh, this explains it!
Mar 27 13:12:35 <TAsn> in mdbus -s ..odeviced
Mar 27 13:12:44 <TAsn> I only get aux led
Mar 27 13:12:51 <TAsn> no vibrator and no power led
Mar 27 13:13:02 <TAsn> this is probably why I don't get vibration/light from power led.
Mar 27 13:13:13 <TAsn> mrmoku, JesusMcCloud JaMa|Zzzz : can you reproduce?
Mar 27 13:14:04 <JesusMcCloud> i can make a tarball->jffs2 of my sd, and put it on flashand report , if you think it would do any good 
Mar 27 13:15:07 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn, reproduce what? mdbus2 -s lists everything correct here
Mar 27 13:15:28 <TAsn> how many leds does odeviced offer?
Mar 27 13:18:29 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn, only red aux, and vibrator is not working, accelerometers arent working aswell
Mar 27 13:20:13 <TAsn> JesusMcCloud, knew it! :P
Mar 27 13:20:20 <TAsn> so it's not just me.
Mar 27 13:21:13 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn, were you expecting that EVERYTHING works with .32 ? i was just glad that phoen functionality is there, (also resumes nicely on sms or call)
Mar 27 13:21:15 <TAsn> We probably need to create a wiki page about .32
Mar 27 13:21:43 <TAsn> actually I did expect everything to work :P
Mar 27 13:22:04 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn, so do you think i should put the system i have on SD in my flash and check if it still works?
Mar 27 13:22:30 <TAsn> no idea
Mar 27 13:22:34 <TAsn> the only thing I know is that I gtg :P
Mar 27 13:22:36 <TAsn> sry, ciao.
Mar 27 13:22:40 <JesusMcCloud> ciao
Mar 27 13:23:44 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, what so you think, shoudl i put my system on flash and see if it still works to rule out a race condition as reason for a workign phone?
Mar 27 13:25:20 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: I'm running from SD too
Mar 27 13:25:43 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: maybe good idea
Mar 27 13:27:08 <JesusMcCloud> if i remeber correctly keep everything as-is escept for the boot folder, because i need to flash kernel with to kernel part. right?
Mar 27 13:28:46 <mrmoku> yup... and make Qi not boot from the first SD partition
Mar 27 13:29:29 <JesusMcCloud> sure...
Mar 27 13:29:44 <JesusMcCloud> well.. backing up now (which is prolly a good idea anyways...
Mar 27 13:30:29 <mrmoku> hehe, yes
Mar 27 13:34:21 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, wich dirs do i need if i want to put the system on flash later? the om wiki says: ssh root@192.168.0.202 "tar c /bin /etc /home /lib /opt /sbin /tmp /usr /var" | pv -s 2200000 -W > rootfs.tar what i always do to backup if i want to put it on SD later on is: root@om-gta02 /media/card $ tar c bin boot dev etc home lib local media proc sbin sys tmp usr var -f /rootfs.tar but i dunno if it would be correct just t
Mar 27 13:34:22 <JesusMcCloud> o leave out /boot
Mar 27 13:34:51 <JesusMcCloud> since the om woki suggest less directories (/opt isn present i know)
Mar 27 13:37:34 <JesusMcCloud> ok, proc is bogus
Mar 27 14:10:11 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, something is fubar... the tar i made is corrupt and mkfs.jffs2 complains about some nonexistent file.. i suppose my sd is borked
Mar 27 14:10:23 <JesusMcCloud> i'll try with aclean flash
Mar 27 14:27:52 <JaMa|Zzzz> mrmoku: .10 works for me too (Qi, uSD)
Mar 27 14:28:14 <JaMa|Zzzz> mrmoku: try to boot it with POWER pressed (more debug.. less race cond)
Mar 27 14:33:35 <JesusMcCloud> JaMa, .10 works great here on SD... i am flashign aclean image to flash now to check if it works aswell
Mar 27 14:33:56 <TAsn> JaMa, saw my message about leds and vibration? (and JesusMcCloud's addition about accelerometers) ?
Mar 27 14:34:37 <JesusMcCloud> (i can live without accel and leds.. vibrator sucks though)
Mar 27 14:36:28 <TAsn> Nah, I like the leds
Mar 27 14:36:31 <TAsn> I don't care about accels
Mar 27 14:36:39 <TAsn> and I need the vibrator
Mar 27 14:36:48 <TAsn> I cat live without ringtones though
Mar 27 14:36:50 <TAsn> can*
Mar 27 14:37:23 <TAsn> ciao again.
Mar 27 14:37:28 <JesusMcCloud> does any of you guys know well about gstreamer? (ringtones work here aswell, but without i need a vibration-only profile)
Mar 27 14:37:56 <JesusMcCloud> i dunno if this si a bug, but there seems to be a gstreamer problem 
Mar 27 14:44:27 <GarthPS> Hi everyone. to whom I have to speak about phoneui-apps ?
Mar 27 14:44:40 <JaMa> TAsn: seen that, but didn't checked yet, sorry
Mar 27 14:47:03 <GarthPS> espacily phoneui-contacts
Mar 27 14:47:10 <GarthPS> ?
Mar 27 14:51:51 <Wonka> lindi-: and would your modyfing the code running on the chip be able to workaround that?
Mar 27 14:52:03 <Wonka> echan
Mar 27 14:53:15 <lindi-> echan indeed :P
Mar 27 15:03:46 <GarthPS> Nooo One? No dev on this?
Mar 27 15:21:45 <JesusMcCloud> GarthPS, mrmoku or TAsn 
Mar 27 15:22:23 <GarthPS> Ok thx JesusMcCloud
Mar 27 15:24:23 <GarthPS> mrmoku,Tasn : hi,do you know why with the last shr-u image phoneui-contacts is empty, displaying none of my contacts? do I have to do something?
Mar 27 15:28:04 <JesusMcCloud> GarthPS, you do know about the opimd stuff (sim contacts not supported anymore, old opimd not supported anymore?
Mar 27 15:29:02 <GarthPS> JesusMcCloud: eu... I eard something about this but. I hope that IT does at list have to juste work no?
Mar 27 15:29:13 <GarthPS> at least
Mar 27 15:29:41 <JesusMcCloud> GarthPS, were you using sim contacts before swithing to latest image?
Mar 27 15:30:02 <GarthPS> JesusMcCloud : yes
Mar 27 15:30:21 <GarthPS> JesusMcCloud : but I just flash the new one, no upgrade
Mar 27 15:30:25 <JesusMcCloud> go to shr-settings->other->sim manager
Mar 27 15:30:58 <JesusMcCloud> tehre you should (theoretically) be able to import your sim contacts, i haven't tested it
Mar 27 15:31:40 <GarthPS> JesusMcCloud : I have no "sim manager" just Pim settings telling me  "couldn't connect to FSO"
Mar 27 15:31:52 <JesusMcCloud> GarthPS, then somethign si fubar
Mar 27 15:32:00 <JesusMcCloud> do you have gsm?
Mar 27 15:32:12 <GarthPS> JesusMcCloud : yes !
Mar 27 15:32:37 <GarthPS> JesusMcCloud : and the strange thing is that I have this with a frash flashed image
Mar 27 15:32:47 <JesusMcCloud> hmmm
Mar 27 15:33:19 <JesusMcCloud> try opkg update &&opkg upgrade maybe... or try the windows maneuver a.k.a reboot
Mar 27 15:34:28 <GarthPS> JesusMcCloud : aka reboot? I don't anderstand - did you want to say AND instead of OR ?
Mar 27 15:35:06 <JesusMcCloud> upgrade.. (i upgraded yesterday) or maybe a simpel reboot does the trick...
Mar 27 15:36:01 <GarthPS> nope already done. I am upgrading. Nothing to upgrade!
Mar 27 15:36:23 <Wonka> lindi-: leaving scanmode=0 should enable all PRNs if I read the docs correclty...
Mar 27 15:37:13 <lindi-> Wonka: yep
Mar 27 15:37:16 <GarthPS> JesusMcCloud: it is not pisi stuff? 
Mar 27 15:37:38 <Heinervdm> GarthPS: you are using shr-t?
Mar 27 15:37:59 <JesusMcCloud> GarthPS, what does/var/log/frameworkd.log(i am not an expert, but maybe there is somethign even i can help you with)
Mar 27 15:38:09 <JesusMcCloud> ^ pastebin your log
Mar 27 15:38:40 <GarthPS> Heinervdm: oh now I have a doubt! because of this bug I flashed and reflash a lot so I don't remember. where can ifound this information?
Mar 27 15:39:07 <JesusMcCloud> TAsn, mrmoku, JaMa, 2.6.32.10 works nicely on NAND aswell
Mar 27 15:39:37 <JesusMcCloud> but there is some nasty race condition...
Mar 27 15:40:30 <Heinervdm> GarthPS: /etc/shr-version
Mar 27 15:40:48 <GarthPS> Heinervdm: yes testing!
Mar 27 15:41:21 <Heinervdm> GarthPS: then it's probably not updated till now
Mar 27 15:41:45 <Heinervdm> spaetz: when did you upgrade libphone-ui-shr the last time?
Mar 27 15:41:58 <GarthPS> Heinervdm: but I had exactly the same problem (ie phoneui-contacts empty) with shr-u!
Mar 27 15:42:40 <Heinervdm> GarthPS: you will have that with every version
Mar 27 15:42:55 <Heinervdm> because SIM support was dropped form opimd
Mar 27 15:43:45 <GarthPS> Heinervdm: oh but so what do we have to do then to have it normaly working?
Mar 27 15:44:28 <Heinervdm> GarthPS: you can add contacts as you wan't that's still working
Mar 27 15:44:43 <Heinervdm> und with sim-manager you can import contacts from sim
Mar 27 15:45:38 <GarthPS> Heinervdm: ok so the way to do Is : flash, boot, import contact form sim-manager and the it is ok right?
Mar 27 15:45:56 <Heinervdm> GarthPS: yes
Mar 27 15:46:00 <GarthPS> It chould be automaticoly launche after a fresh install
Mar 27 15:46:54 <Heinervdm> There was a discussion about that, and most don't wanted to have that
Mar 27 15:47:31 <Heinervdm> discussion was about poping up that dialog on insertion of a new sim
Mar 27 15:47:32 <GarthPS> Heinervdm: It just appeared as a bug to the unadvertised person!
Mar 27 15:47:58 <Heinervdm> GarthPS: it was announced on the ML 2 weeks ago...
Mar 27 15:48:13 <DocScrutinizer> being an unadvertised person is the root bug ;-D
Mar 27 15:48:21 <GarthPS> Heinervdm: oups sorry :)
Mar 27 15:48:52 <GarthPS> Heinervdm: and for my info°, why opimd dropped it? (oh forget it , i will read the ML- dev or user one?)
Mar 27 15:49:32 <Heinervdm> GarthPS: to make it much much faster and much less complicated
Mar 27 15:49:46 <DocScrutinizer> opimd seen a major redesign, and the multiple backends concept didn't pan out in the end
Mar 27 15:50:03 <GarthPS> Ok thanks!
Mar 27 15:50:27 <Heinervdm> I want to add sth. sync stuff to the phoneui apps
Mar 27 15:50:43 <Heinervdm> then you can store your contacts on your groupware server
Mar 27 15:52:33 <Heinervdm> or i you want you can give them to google :P
Mar 27 15:52:51 <Heinervdm> but that is only a plan till now
Mar 27 15:55:12 <JesusMcCloud> DocScrutinizer, whats the state of dummy mixer scripts? (i'm feeling a lot better today, so i'll prolly be gone tuesday for at least 2 weeks)
Mar 27 15:55:36 <GarthPS> Heinervdm: oh well! good plan :)
Mar 27 15:56:10 <Wonka> Heinervdm: did you look into my ppp patch?
Mar 27 15:57:08 <spaetz> Heinervdm, probably a week ago.
Mar 27 15:57:24 <spaetz>  I did not have time afterwards
Mar 27 15:57:55 <Heinervdm> Wonka: hmm, i don't remeber the link :(
Mar 27 15:58:05 <spaetz> and bumping 1 thing in shr means always you  have to bump 5 others as well...
Mar 27 15:58:32 <Wonka> Heinervdm: shr ticket 1032
Mar 27 15:58:32 <spaetz> but it's about time to update the whhole thing again...
Mar 27 15:58:42 <Heinervdm> spaetz: yes one has to bump, phonuid, libphone-ui, libphone-ui-shr and shr-settings
Mar 27 15:58:58 <Wonka> Heinervdm: http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/1032 http://shr-project.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1032/ppp-resolvconf.patch
Mar 27 15:59:06 <Heinervdm> Wonka: ok
Mar 27 15:59:34 <spaetz> and test the new combination before pushing.
Mar 27 15:59:49 <spaetz> sth I did not get to last week
Mar 27 16:01:47 <ThibG> has anyone played with u-boot?
Mar 27 16:06:05 <JesusMcCloud> ~praise Heinervdm for his sim manager
Mar 27 16:06:07 <apt> All hail Heinervdm for his sim manager!
Mar 27 16:07:44 <JesusMcCloud> Heinervdm, just tested it... awesome though a loading screen would be nice after hitting 'import all' even though its very fast
Mar 27 16:08:41 <Heinervdm> JesusMcCloud: i can try to add it there :)
Mar 27 16:12:44 <Heinervdm> Wonka: have you tried those scripts?
Mar 27 16:14:40 <Heinervdm> Wonka: and it's still 2.4.3?
Mar 27 16:16:21 <CIA-32> SHR: 03jesus 07libphone-ui-shr * r168fe4df34ba 10/data/keypad.edc: fixed feedback for very short button press
Mar 27 16:16:40 <GarthPS> Heinervdm: oh yeah !I forgot! the sim autothentification panel with shr-u is completely white!
Mar 27 16:16:59 <Heinervdm> GarthPS: hmm, that should be fixed...
Mar 27 16:17:45 <GarthPS> Heinervdm: :) I  update upgrade. but how to login my sim if it is white?
Mar 27 16:17:45 <JesusMcCloud> GarthPS, opkg update && opkg upgrade then create a file called config in /usr/share/libphoneui-shr containgin [global] and in the next line theme = default
Mar 27 16:18:00 <Heinervdm> GarthPS: that was because libphone-ui-shr hasen't used default theme when the config was missing
Mar 27 16:18:05 <JesusMcCloud> Heinervdm, the config file is not fixed (i just upgraded)
Mar 27 16:18:12 <JesusMcCloud> ..on a fresh install
Mar 27 16:18:23 <Heinervdm> JesusMcCloud: mrmoku hasn't added a config 
Mar 27 16:18:27 <GarthPS> Heinervdm, JesusMcCloud : ok thanks
Mar 27 16:18:40 <Heinervdm> JesusMcCloud: he added a fallback to the default in the lib
Mar 27 16:18:58 <JesusMcCloud> Heinervdm, he told me yesterday that there is no fallback
Mar 27 16:20:20 <Heinervdm> JesusMcCloud: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=libphone-ui-shr.git;a=commit;h=eb4690d1e356a32d06ebc0da9a5f6bbfa21c140c
Mar 27 16:20:43 <Heinervdm> JesusMcCloud: there is no fallback for single parts of the theme only for complete theme
Mar 27 16:20:52 <JesusMcCloud> ahh ok
Mar 27 16:21:03 <JesusMcCloud> well no fallback here after upgrade
Mar 27 16:23:03 <Heinervdm> hmm, i thougt that commit would fix it
Mar 27 16:25:10 <JesusMcCloud> great! my SD is borked!
Mar 27 16:31:40 <JesusMcCloud> raster, is there an easy wa to implement a circular motion in edje? i want to make a dial plate
Mar 27 16:34:11 <raster> JesusMcCloud: map {}
Mar 27 16:34:24 <JesusMcCloud> thx, will look into it
Mar 27 16:37:39 <mrmoku> JesusMcCloud: there is a fallback to default as theme if nothing is configured via config
Mar 27 16:37:49 * mrmoku still has to add the default config
Mar 27 16:39:11 <JesusMcCloud> mrmoku, didnt work here after latest upgrade ona clean flash
Mar 27 16:39:31 <JesusMcCloud> anhow i gtg
Mar 27 16:52:41 <Martix> whats wrong with git.openmoko.org ?
Mar 27 16:52:56 <Martix> remote: Counting objects: 1395614, done.
Mar 27 16:52:56 <Martix> remote: fatal: Out of memory? mmap failed: Cannot allocate memory
Mar 27 16:52:56 <Martix> remote: aborting due to possible repository corruption on the remote side.
Mar 27 16:52:56 <Martix> fatal: early EOF
Mar 27 16:52:56 <Martix> fatal: index-pack failed
Mar 27 16:59:15 <JaMa> Martix: new git clone? download .tar.gz and git pull from there
Mar 27 16:59:30 <Martix> ok
Mar 27 16:59:57 <JaMa> at least it always worked for me (and it's a bit faster)
Mar 27 17:01:10 <Wonka> Heinervdm: I have not only tried them, but also read them and they obviously don't use resolvconf...
Mar 27 17:03:57 <Wonka> lindi-: mh, "git pull" told me "Already up-to-date."
Mar 27 17:08:54 <Martix> JaMa: http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git.tar.gz right? I am going to add this link to Om wiki
Mar 27 17:13:44 <JaMa> Martix: what's the date there? 
Mar 27 17:14:23 <JaMa> http://build.shr-project.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git.tar.gz
Mar 27 17:14:47 <JaMa> this one is refreshed everytime we build newer kernel
Mar 27 17:15:56 <Martix> 06-Jan-2010 18:23  491
Mar 27 17:16:04 <Martix> 491M
Mar 27 17:17:28 <JaMa> 25-Feb-2010 797MB :)
Mar 27 17:17:56 <Martix> wel, I'll use kernel sources from SHR :-)
Mar 27 17:18:26 <JaMa> you can even download small sources tarball for concrete revision
Mar 27 17:18:46 <JaMa> if you don't need git clone and want to save some bandwidth
Mar 27 17:22:11 <lindi-> Wonka: yeah lagged git update-server-info
Mar 27 17:30:51 <GNUtoo> leviathan, I'm back...do you have an idea?
Mar 27 17:46:12 <TAsn> shit :P I have 12 unread mails (left unread on purpose as I don't have time to deal with them atm) and 10 starred ones :|
Mar 27 17:46:16 <TAsn> I really need more time.
Mar 27 17:55:24 <mrmoku> TAsn: just quit surfing and all is fine ;)
Mar 27 17:55:36 <TAsn> I guess :P
Mar 27 17:56:11 <mrmoku> or read mails with your neo on the board :P
Mar 27 17:56:57 <GarthPS> Heinervdm, JesusMcCloud : It works. both sim   logg and contat import . thx!
Mar 27 17:58:08 <TAsn> mrmoku, haha, true :P
Mar 27 17:58:20 <TAsn> too bad I haven't surfed for almost a month now (until today)
Mar 27 17:58:24 <TAsn> so I was a bit out of shape :(
Mar 27 18:06:41 <mrmoku> :P
Mar 27 18:06:47 <mrmoku> dinner... bbl
Mar 27 18:15:28 <Martix> JaMa: kernel sources unpacked and git pull:
Mar 27 18:15:28 <Martix> Updating b460dd0..557e993
Mar 27 18:15:28 <Martix> error: Entry '.mailmap' would be overwritten by merge. Cannot merge.
Mar 27 18:22:33 <TAsn> http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/F4UVHHSyrcw/Ubuntu-Will-Switch-To-Base-10-File-Size-Units-In-Future-Release
Mar 27 18:22:36 <TAsn> huh? why the heck?
Mar 27 18:34:06 <playya> to enlarge your HDD
Mar 27 18:34:51 <TAsn> Oh, this makes sense then.
Mar 27 18:35:04 <TAsn> I want a bigger HDD for free.
Mar 27 18:52:10 <Martix> Ubuntu makes your disk bigger! :D
Mar 27 18:56:48 <Meomer> hmm, or does it!
Mar 27 18:58:18 <mwester> I get SPAM about that sort of thing all the time...
Mar 27 18:58:54 <Meomer> To change your unit? :)
Mar 27 19:02:09 <TAsn> Hm.. Actually, ubuntu guys know what they are doing! I think selling the americans rulers that measure in SI can really make their units bigger, same as ubuntu :P Switching to SI makes the difference!
Mar 27 19:06:43 <Q-Master> TAsn: can you tell me what file contains locale definition? I've lost the locale settings after update.
Mar 27 19:07:24 <TAsn>  /usr/lib/locale ?
Mar 27 19:08:22 <Q-Master> TAsn: nop. I mean what config file contains the default locale setting? I remember that was some file in /etc/...
Mar 27 19:08:30 <TAsn> no idea :|
Mar 27 19:23:00 <Q-Master> hm.
Mar 27 19:23:47 <Q-Master> I had now not registered to network phone. seems that that might be the problem of current locale set.
Mar 27 19:37:25 <von_fritz> Q-Master /etc/profile .....export xxxx
Mar 27 19:38:32 <Q-Master> already set that in /etc/profile.d/locale.sh
Mar 27 19:42:49 <von_fritz> well I have in /etc/profile ....# set your locale here: ...export LANG=it_IT.UTF-8 ;)
Mar 27 19:43:37 <von_fritz> SHR-U
Mar 27 19:44:42 <Q-Master> von_fritz: after today's upgrade it is lost.
Mar 27 19:47:55 * von_fritz only updates from self compiled packages :)
Mar 27 19:53:26 * Q-Master is too lazy to compile anything myself... 8)
Mar 27 20:28:35 <Tederian> Hello, I've just discovered the SHR website, and i'd like to ask if it would be possible to get it on an old windows mobile business phone.
Mar 27 20:29:40 <lindi-> Tederian: not enough info
Mar 27 20:30:17 <Tederian> yes sorry, i'm trying to get the exact model name
Mar 27 20:30:50 <lindi-> Tederian: anyways, that has almost nothing to do with openmoko or SHR. the first thing to do is to get linux running. after that you can start worrying about distros
Mar 27 20:34:15 <neldoreth> hello, i have flashed my freerunner with the shr image which worked fine - now i wanted to install the paroli package which failed because the edbus-ehal package is not installed, but trying to install it fails too with the message: Cannot install package - i did a update and upgrade before i tried to install paroli - maybe someone can give me a hint what i am missing
Mar 27 20:35:23 <Tederian> It seems to be a HTC PM300 with a OMAP 850 Processor, at 195MHz with 64 MB of RAM. Does it even make sense trying to flash linux on it?
Mar 27 20:37:32 <max_posedon> I thought main reason for linux geeks always was "why not?!"
Mar 27 20:39:10 <lindi-> Tederian: sure why not but you won't be able to make calls without serious effort
Mar 27 20:39:42 <Tederian> Well okay, I'll just let it be.
Mar 27 20:39:45 <Tederian> Thanks for the answers!
Mar 27 20:52:11 <neldoreth> ok it seems like the edbus-ehal package does not exist any longer, so may some other packages are outdated too
Mar 27 21:01:10 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd55c70d35da6 10/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: mdbus2: simplify formatter in order to prepare for smarter formatting
Mar 27 21:01:11 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r19d5a05e17e9 10/docs/fsogsmd/qualcomm_htc/modem: fsogsmd: docs: add WCDMA notice for qualcomm_htc
Mar 27 21:01:15 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r95e02e365d78 10/fsonetworkd/src/plugins/sharing/plugin.vala: fsonetwork: Use Posix.system() instead of GLib's spawn so we can catch the result code easily
Mar 27 21:01:15 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r46b4500b813e 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcall.vala atcommands.vala atmediators.vala): 
Mar 27 21:01:15 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: query operator display (short) name as well
Mar 27 21:01:15 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: Applications may want to use this rather than the long
Mar 27 21:01:15 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: name as delivered via key 'provider'. The short name
Mar 27 21:01:15 <CIA-32> freesmartphone.org: now has the key 'display'.
Mar 27 21:23:23 <Wonka> aaaaargh. writing code requesting GPS resource and then using Gypsy is a hassle.
Mar 27 23:05:53 <Wonka> lindi-: ok... got me a program that uses Gypsy interface and outputs selected packets. when asking GPS for CFG-SBAS, I get back what I set before... so I hope I just need to wait for some EGNOS sat to be seen by my FR
Mar 27 23:17:24 <lindi-> Wonka: where are you?
Mar 27 23:17:46 <Wonka> lindi-: northern germany, about 54.4N / 10.0E
Mar 27 23:18:18 <lindi-> ok
Mar 27 23:18:55 <Wonka> have a fine 3D fix here, using six sats with 29 to 32 dB SNR... in the house, under the roof
Mar 27 23:19:09 <Wonka> cannot see any SBAS sat in here though
Mar 27 23:19:38 <Wonka> oh, one signal just jumped to 40dB
Mar 27 23:20:19 <Wonka> btw, is there a way to send UBX packets to GPS from userspace via frameworkd?
Mar 27 23:21:24 <lindi-> Wonka: i think ogpsd allows any user to send arbitrary data, including those that upgrade the firmware with zeroes
Mar 27 23:21:47 <Wonka> eeeerks ;)
Mar 27 23:21:51 <Wonka> but how?
Mar 27 23:22:02 <lindi-> Wonka: UPD-DOWNL command
Mar 27 23:22:14 <lindi-> Wonka: read ogpsd source
Mar 27 23:22:42 <Wonka> I meant general sending of packages
Mar 27 23:22:48 <Wonka> via DBus and stuff
Mar 27 23:22:56 <Wonka> not directly to ttySAC1
Mar 27 23:25:45 <Wonka> hmmm... there's UPD-EXEC and UPD-MEMCPY too...
Mar 27 23:25:53 <Wonka> sounds scary
Mar 27 23:26:01 <lindi-> Wonka: well the dbus stuff is documented in the source
Mar 27 23:26:35 <Wonka> didn't find any userspace program sending ubx packets yet...
Mar 27 23:26:51 <Wonka> and in ogpsd, it's all self.send()
Mar 27 23:27:17 <Wonka> and, by the way, from ubx.py there:
Mar 27 23:27:18 <Wonka>         # Enable use of SBAS
Mar 27 23:27:18 <Wonka>         self.send("CFG-SBAS", 8, {"mode" : 1, "usage" : 7, "maxsbas" : 3, "scanmode" : 0})
Mar 27 23:28:02 <Wonka> but i've never seen any SBAS sat being used, never seen any correction applied :/
Mar 27 23:30:33 <lindi-> Wonka: but I have :)
Mar 27 23:30:59 <Wonka> ok... anything special to be done?
Mar 27 23:31:30 <lindi-> Wonka: I used NAV-SBAS to poll for the status
Mar 27 23:32:09 <Wonka> simply NAV-SBAS request (size 0?
Mar 27 23:32:13 <lindi-> yep
Mar 27 23:33:27 <Wonka> got UBX packet: dbus.Array([dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'CNT'): dbus.Int32(0, variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'SERVICE'): dbus.Int32(0, variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'SYS'): dbus.Int32(0, variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'ITOW'): dbus.Int32(603199001, variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'GEO'): dbus.Int32(0, variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'MODE'): dbus.Int32(0, variant_level=1)}, signature=dbus.Signature('sv'))], ...
Mar 27 23:33:33 <Wonka> ... signature=dbus.Signature('a{sv}'))
Mar 27 23:33:46 <lindi-> a lot of dbus you have there :)
Mar 27 23:34:11 <Wonka> yep
Mar 27 23:34:25 <Wonka> that's what comes via Gypsy...
Mar 27 23:34:36 <Wonka> got UBX packet: dbus.Array([dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'usage'): dbus.Int32(7, variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'scanmode'): dbus.Int32(0, variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'mode'): dbus.Int32(3, variant_level=1), dbus.String(u'maxsbas'): dbus.Int32(3, variant_level=1)}, signature=dbus.Signature('sv'))], signature=dbus.Signature('a{sv}'))
Mar 27 23:34:50 <lindi-> anyways, here it was able to show PRC and IC values for the only egnos satellite visible from finland
Mar 27 23:34:56 <Wonka> that says SBAS is enabled
Mar 27 23:35:11 <lindi-> it reported elevation of 14 or something
Mar 27 23:35:13 <lindi-> pretty low
Mar 27 23:35:52 <lindi-> Wonka: it might just not work inside a building at all
Mar 27 23:36:02 <Wonka> of course
Mar 27 23:36:39 <lindi-> some sort of ubx firewall would be nice, to be able to make sure regular users don't have privileges to write to firmware :P
Mar 27 23:36:52 <Wonka> hmm. GEO is 0.
Mar 27 23:37:03 <lindi-> here it was 120 or something
Mar 27 23:37:07 <Wonka> so no sat used.
Mar 27 23:37:09 <lindi-> yep
Mar 27 23:37:16 <lindi-> get external antenna and go out :)
Mar 27 23:37:20 <Wonka> might just open a window facing south...
Mar 27 23:37:38 <Wonka> MODE 0? wtf?
Mar 27 23:38:04 <Wonka> SYS 0? WAAS? why that?
Mar 27 23:40:35 <Wonka>     @dbus.service.method( "org.freesmartphone.GPS.UBX", "siaa{sv}", "")
Mar 27 23:40:35 <Wonka>     @resource.checkedsyncmethod
Mar 27 23:40:35 <Wonka>     def SendDebugPacket( self, clid, length, data ):
Mar 27 23:40:35 <Wonka>         self.send( clid, length, data )
Mar 27 23:40:59 <Wonka> that seems to be the "send packet" interface then...
Mar 27 23:41:02 <Wonka> will try that.
Mar 27 23:41:14 <Wonka> I might just patch something into z
Mar 27 23:41:16 <Wonka> zhone
Mar 27 23:41:23 <Wonka> want to do that anyway
Mar 27 23:53:31 <Wonka> ok, it's as simple as this:
Mar 27 23:53:33 <Wonka> dbus_object.gps_ubx_iface.SendDebugPacket("NAV-SBAS", 0, []) 
Mar 28 00:07:38 <Wonka> lindi-: http://paste.debian.net/66198/
Mar 28 00:14:19 <Wonka> lindi-: funny that SV 130 has SYS -1...
Mar 28 00:26:41 <DocScrutinizer> external antenna??
Mar 28 00:26:57 <Wonka> why not?
Mar 28 00:26:58 <DocScrutinizer> egnos sat ?? :-O
Mar 28 00:27:05 <DocScrutinizer> why?
Mar 28 00:27:11 <Wonka> because we can?
Mar 28 00:27:25 <Wonka> :)
Mar 28 00:27:54 <Wonka> I'd like to get quite exact positions to enter buildings into OSM
Mar 28 00:27:57 <Wonka> for example
Mar 28 00:28:16 <Wonka> 266 cm of ionospheric correction might be interesting there
Mar 28 00:29:47 <DocScrutinizer> uhuh. and how's that related to external antenna, which is considered worse than the builtin one, as long as uSD is powered down, or A7, or fixed
Mar 28 00:50:47 <Wonka> must an external antenna with builtin amp be worse than internal antenna?
Mar 28 00:52:20 <Wonka> anyway... good night everyone.
Mar 28 01:24:32 <spaetz> night wonka
Mar 28 01:26:11 <playya_> huh. half past 3?
Mar 28 01:29:19 <spaetz> yep :)
Mar 28 01:29:39 <spaetz> time switch
Mar 28 01:29:48 <spaetz> summer time, here we come...
Mar 28 01:30:54 <playya_> ah. damn
Mar 28 01:31:26 <playya_> maybe i should go to sleep, too
Mar 28 01:31:38 <playya_> i want to watch formula 1 at 8 am
Mar 28 01:32:18 <playya_> but only 3k lines to read in the diff
Mar 28 01:50:35 <playya_> good night
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