**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 10 02:59:57 2010
Apr 10 04:11:23 <gonzoism> hi spaetz` 
Apr 10 04:24:40 <gonzoism> what is the difference between the gta02 lite and full images ?  Is it only that lite is missing task-shr-apps task-shr-games task-shr-gtk ?
Apr 10 05:13:28 <DocScrutinizer> *shudder*
Apr 10 05:38:05 <gonzoism> *shutter*
Apr 10 05:38:09 <gonzoism> :)
Apr 10 06:22:07 <mrmoku> mickeyl: dbus activating fsogsmd works nicely... you mean fsodeviced?
Apr 10 06:29:41 <mrmoku> TAsn: i have the segfault again... it is quite reproducable if you suspend on startup before GSM is registered
Apr 10 06:30:13 <mrmoku> and it does not tell me anything about gdb... instead it says: 'Please compile everything with -g in your CFLAGS' :P
Apr 10 06:33:57 <mrmoku> mickeyl: nvm... it does not :/
Apr 10 07:21:45 <mrmoku> mickey|zzZZzz: btw. fsogsmd retrieves the SMS just fine now... but does not send out a signal
Apr 10 07:22:00 <mrmoku> which means opimd won't pick it up :/
Apr 10 07:30:37 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07libphone-ui-shr * r416d98553e0d 10/src/view/idle-view.c: idle-view.c: handle PDP status in the NetworkStatus handler
Apr 10 09:29:23 <leviathan> mrmoku: good morning
Apr 10 09:29:34 <leviathan> did mickey already awake?
Apr 10 09:31:29 <mrmoku> leviathan: don't think so :)
Apr 10 09:31:55 <leviathan> 156M 2010-04-10 03:08 shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20100410-htcdream.rootfs.yaffs2
Apr 10 09:31:56 <TAsn> mrmoku, it doesn't say to gdb attach? Weird, I remember it does.
Apr 10 09:32:09 <leviathan> is there a way to really reduce the size??
Apr 10 09:33:08 <leviathan> 59M 2010-04-10 02:01 shr-fso2-demo-image-eglibc-ipk--20100409-htcdream.rootfs.yaffs2
Apr 10 09:33:09 <leviathan> works
Apr 10 09:33:17 <leviathan> I can flash it into internal memory
Apr 10 09:33:26 <leviathan> and it has still 10MB free space
Apr 10 09:36:29 <leviathan> perhaps we could split it?
Apr 10 09:37:03 <leviathan> or so
Apr 10 09:37:15 <leviathan>  /usr into another partition
Apr 10 09:41:45 <TAsn> mrmoku, though even if it doesn't explicitly say that, what does gdb --pid=`pgrep enlightenment` gives you?
Apr 10 09:42:01 <mrmoku> TAsn: nothing usefull
Apr 10 09:42:17 <mrmoku> no usable trace
Apr 10 09:42:17 <TAsn> okie.
Apr 10 09:42:33 <mrmoku> and I remember efl in OE is not good for debuging as is
Apr 10 09:42:45 <TAsn> can you switch threads ? (I wasn't able to do so)
Apr 10 09:42:58 <TAsn> mrmoku, you need to install the .debug packages.
Apr 10 09:43:03 <mrmoku> did that TAsn :P
Apr 10 09:43:17 <TAsn> ok, so no idea :)
Apr 10 09:43:35 <mrmoku> you can try for yourself probably... just reboot and suspend before it registered
Apr 10 09:43:38 <TAsn> Anyhow, you say it happens when you suspend before registration, hm...
Apr 10 09:43:46 <TAsn> you mean in my version?
Apr 10 09:43:49 <TAsn> Doesn't seg.
Apr 10 09:43:57 <TAsn> happened to me a couple of times.
Apr 10 09:44:11 <mrmoku> ultimately?
Apr 10 09:44:18 <TAsn> what do you mean?
Apr 10 09:44:22 <mrmoku> I mean within the last days?
Apr 10 09:44:31 <TAsn> did you bump EFL?
Apr 10 09:44:39 <TAsn> As I recall, you haven't.
Apr 10 09:44:40 <mrmoku> ahh.. right... you don't have that :P
Apr 10 09:44:51 <TAsn> exactly :)
Apr 10 09:45:27 <mrmoku> then... I locally bumped it again last night... and somehow the widget changed... says different things now
Apr 10 09:45:30 <mrmoku> like 'None'
Apr 10 09:45:40 * mrmoku reboots and retries if it still segs
Apr 10 09:46:17 <mrmoku> TAsn: btw. there is still some problem with the gsm gadget as it does not report signal strength when it starts before gsm is up
Apr 10 09:47:04 <mrmoku> if I restart e after gsm is connected it shows the signal strength nicely
Apr 10 09:47:50 <TAsn> mrmoku, do you have latest version?
Apr 10 09:47:56 <TAsn> because that patch should fix exactly that.
Apr 10 09:48:06 <TAsn> (and not network status)
Apr 10 09:48:56 <TAsn> i.e it listens to gsm resource changes.
Apr 10 09:49:14 <mrmoku> yeah, it says Off if I suspend
Apr 10 09:49:20 <mrmoku> so I guess it's taht
Apr 10 09:49:37 <TAsn> mrmoku, please upgrade (and build if necessary) to latest theme
Apr 10 09:49:53 <TAsn> I fixed something there that caused it not to work properly if you have full reception
Apr 10 09:50:02 <TAsn> After you had no gsm at all.
Apr 10 09:50:05 <mrmoku> what exactly?
Apr 10 09:50:06 <JaMa> built already in feeds
Apr 10 09:50:13 <TAsn> mrmoku, so just upgrade. :)
Apr 10 09:50:16 * mrmoku not using feeds right now
Apr 10 09:50:25 * mrmoku has local feeds nowadays :)
Apr 10 09:50:26 <TAsn> mrmoku, so build gry theme
Apr 10 09:50:33 * mrmoku has libfso-glib aware feeds ;)
Apr 10 09:50:36 <TAsn> or get the feed package.
Apr 10 09:50:46 <mrmoku> TAsn: that will borke everything
Apr 10 09:50:48 <TAsn> and tell me if it still happens.
Apr 10 09:50:53 <TAsn> mrmoku, changing the theme?!
Apr 10 09:50:58 <TAsn> how will that break anything?
Apr 10 09:51:00 <mrmoku> now the feed package
Apr 10 09:51:05 <mrmoku> ahh you mean just the ipk
Apr 10 09:51:06 <mrmoku> ok
Apr 10 09:51:10 <TAsn> downloading one package
Apr 10 09:51:10 <TAsn> yeah.
Apr 10 09:51:14 <TAsn> sec, will give you the link
Apr 10 09:51:14 <mrmoku> well... will just build it
Apr 10 09:51:20 <TAsn> ok
Apr 10 09:51:22 <TAsn> even faster.
Apr 10 09:51:28 <TAsn> Ciao, gtg to my cousin's birthday.
Apr 10 09:51:47 <mrmoku> hehe have fund
Apr 10 09:51:49 <mrmoku> -d
Apr 10 09:52:36 <dos1> heh
Apr 10 09:54:21 <dos1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash
Apr 10 09:54:46 <dos1> polish president and many gov people are dead
Apr 10 09:55:11 <mrmoku> yeah... read that
Apr 10 10:25:32 <leviathan> hmm
Apr 10 10:25:50 <leviathan> if we just have xorg+fso2 installed it works in internal memory
Apr 10 10:40:44 <alabd> Good day all
Apr 10 10:41:44 <alabd> JaMa, Would you put new persian keyboard layout that you built yesterday on testing host ? 
Apr 10 10:46:18 <alabd> also the link here is not ok http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume_keyboard
Apr 10 10:48:25 <JaMa> it's wiki, please update it
Apr 10 10:58:30 <alabd> JaMa,  would you upload .kbd file on host ?
Apr 10 10:59:24 <JaMa> no it's not just uploading... it needs to be cherry-picked to shr-t and built there (no time for this now..)
Apr 10 11:01:02 <alabd> no you have built it yesterday 
Apr 10 11:01:11 <alabd> and .ipk file is on host 
Apr 10 11:01:25 <alabd> but for wiki .kbd file link is required 
Apr 10 11:01:49 <alabd> humble don't have host to upload it and put link on wiki
Apr 10 11:01:57 <JaMa> it is, for shr-u
Apr 10 11:02:20 <alabd> yes
Apr 10 11:02:43 <alabd> .kbd file should be linked in wiki not ipk 
Apr 10 11:04:38 <JaMa> then update link for this http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=illume-keyboards.git;a=blob_plain;f=persian/Persian.kbd;hb=HEAD
Apr 10 11:05:07 <leviathan> mickey|zzZZzz: up again?
Apr 10 11:06:53 <alabd> JaMa,  thanks 
Apr 10 11:11:48 <leviathan> morning GNUtoo
Apr 10 11:11:49 <leviathan> !
Apr 10 11:12:17 <leviathan> GNUtoo: I installed fso2-demo-image into internal memory
Apr 10 11:12:22 <leviathan> works like charm
Apr 10 11:12:35 <leviathan> auth
Apr 10 11:12:50 <leviathan> I can send sms and make phone calls over zhone2
Apr 10 11:12:57 <leviathan> and its very small+fast
Apr 10 11:13:13 <leviathan> would be cool to get SHR to be that small to
Apr 10 11:13:16 <leviathan> *too
Apr 10 11:13:26 <leviathan> then we could also flash SHR into internal memory
Apr 10 11:13:46 <leviathan> but atm its double the maximum size
Apr 10 11:14:04 <alabd> JaMa,  what does QWERTZ mean ?
Apr 10 11:14:12 <alabd> is that layout QWERTZ ?
Apr 10 11:16:54 <GNUtoo> leviathan, ok
Apr 10 11:17:36 <leviathan> is there a possibility to strip enlightenment, xorg and fso2 down
Apr 10 11:17:39 <leviathan> more and more?
Apr 10 11:18:06 <leviathan> would be nice to have the original partitions usage of android preserved
Apr 10 11:18:08 <leviathan> means
Apr 10 11:18:12 <GNUtoo> leviathan, I don't know....
Apr 10 11:18:13 <leviathan> rootfs on system
Apr 10 11:18:17 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 11:18:25 <leviathan> and additional app+pim-data in userdata
Apr 10 11:18:46 <GNUtoo> leviathan, but in another hand I know how to strip an OS
Apr 10 11:19:01 <leviathan> how?
Apr 10 11:19:12 <GNUtoo> leviathan, there is a micro distro with a micro uclibc and that use mdev
Apr 10 11:19:18 <GNUtoo> image
Apr 10 11:19:47 <leviathan> is it compatible to our software?
Apr 10 11:20:11 <GNUtoo> don't know,in micro the paths are changed
Apr 10 11:20:21 <leviathan> hmm
Apr 10 11:20:31 <GNUtoo> also you would have to rebuild from scratch if you set distro to micro
Apr 10 11:20:41 <GNUtoo> maybe only try to use a micro-base-image
Apr 10 11:21:02 <alabd> JaMa,  how to upload persian.png like http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/c/ce/Arabic.png ?
Apr 10 11:21:07 <leviathan> GNUtoo: rebuilding from scratch is no problem
Apr 10 11:21:14 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 11:21:15 <leviathan> I do only take two hours or so
Apr 10 11:22:17 <GNUtoo> leviathan, so what you'll need is to require micro-base-image.bb and extend it 
Apr 10 11:22:41 <leviathan> or I could build shr-image with distro micro
Apr 10 11:22:46 <leviathan> and look how it works
Apr 10 11:22:48 <leviathan> :)
Apr 10 11:22:55 <GNUtoo> no
Apr 10 11:23:16 <leviathan> the question is: is it then still shr?
Apr 10 11:23:17 <leviathan> :)
Apr 10 11:23:22 <GNUtoo> as micro distro use micro-uclibc without locales
Apr 10 11:23:26 <GNUtoo> leviathan, no it's not
Apr 10 11:23:30 <leviathan> so
Apr 10 11:23:37 <leviathan> I guess I wait for mickey
Apr 10 11:23:42 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 11:23:48 <leviathan> asking him what he's thinking
Apr 10 11:24:13 <GNUtoo> leviathan, for micro,if you build shr-image or fso2-demo-image you'll get huge bloat
Apr 10 11:24:25 <GNUtoo> that's why extending the micro-base-image is better
Apr 10 11:24:39 <leviathan> hm, ok
Apr 10 11:25:49 <GNUtoo> leviathan, also be shure to set ONLINE_PACKAGE_MANAGEMENT
Apr 10 11:25:54 <GNUtoo> if you do so
Apr 10 11:26:01 <GNUtoo> because by default it's set to none
Apr 10 11:32:44 <JaMa> leviathan: om-gta02 shr-lite-image .tar.gz is about 53MB, can you check why is your yaffs 3 times bigger?
Apr 10 11:32:57 <JaMa> leviathan: jffs2 is about 70MB
Apr 10 11:33:50 <leviathan> JaMa: because htcdream does not support compressed yaffs2
Apr 10 11:34:22 <leviathan> and we would need to patch fastboot to allow jffs2
Apr 10 11:34:40 <JaMa> leviathan: ah :/ good luck with stipping.. 
Apr 10 11:34:57 <JaMa> leviathan: without frameworkd and whole python I striped it to IIRC 30MB tar.gz
Apr 10 11:35:11 <leviathan> I know
Apr 10 11:35:21 <JaMa> leviathan: but it will be still too big for yaffs2 I guess (and you still need python opimd)
Apr 10 11:35:41 <leviathan> hmm
Apr 10 11:36:40 <leviathan> I guess, I could have found an approach
Apr 10 11:36:49 <leviathan> just installing illume-image
Apr 10 11:37:05 <leviathan> and then installing additional binary packages to another destination
Apr 10 11:45:42 <leviathan> GNUtoo: would be an idea
Apr 10 11:45:57 <leviathan> to check why fastboot doesnt acceppt compressed yaffs2
Apr 10 11:46:12 <leviathan> because that would solve a lot of issues
Apr 10 11:55:33 <leviathan> GNUtoo: that was a short visit of mickey ^^
Apr 10 11:57:55 <leviathan> GNUtoo: I could try to enable jffs2 in the kernel
Apr 10 11:57:59 <leviathan> and try to flash jffs2
Apr 10 11:58:04 <leviathan> and look if it works
Apr 10 11:58:05 <leviathan> :)
Apr 10 12:03:27 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: can you have a look at line 172ff: http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr-git/libphone-ui-shr/src/view/sim-manager-view.c
Apr 10 12:03:53 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: i'm getting an error that it expects a layout but finds a win
Apr 10 12:06:59 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: struct View *must* be the first member for VIEW_PTR macro to work
Apr 10 12:07:20 <mrmoku> move callback and data after it and it should work
Apr 10 12:07:48 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: ah ok, then i understand how that macro works :D
Apr 10 12:08:14 <Heinervdm> it just cut of the other parts
Apr 10 12:09:31 <mrmoku> :)
Apr 10 12:10:05 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: btw. with fsogsmd the sim-manager rocks :)
Apr 10 12:10:20 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: does it work now?
Apr 10 12:10:22 <mrmoku> (apart from having name and number swapped)
Apr 10 12:10:54 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: yeah, did some rework to use new libfso-glib stuff and it works
Apr 10 12:11:03 <Heinervdm> then the order in the valuearray changes
Apr 10 12:11:18 <mrmoku> thing is it is no value array anymore with libfso-glib
Apr 10 12:11:25 <mrmoku> we get a nice FreeSmartphoneGSMSIMEntry * :)
Apr 10 12:11:35 <Heinervdm> :)
Apr 10 12:11:36 <mrmoku> which has three members
Apr 10 12:11:39 <mrmoku> index, name, number
Apr 10 12:12:04 <Heinervdm> nice
Apr 10 12:12:12 <mrmoku> thus I elliminated the call to get the phonebook info
Apr 10 12:12:21 <Heinervdm> i hope i will get the contact select screen working today
Apr 10 12:12:21 <mrmoku> just get all contacts in one go
Apr 10 12:13:18 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: that way it segfaulted with lfg
Apr 10 12:13:30 <mrmoku> :)
Apr 10 12:13:47 <Heinervdm> and i think the number_length and name_length info could be usefull
Apr 10 12:14:03 <mrmoku> but we don't use it (yet)
Apr 10 12:14:41 <Heinervdm> but i will add it today if the select screen works
Apr 10 12:15:05 <Heinervdm> then i need a nice way to find an empty slot on the sim
Apr 10 12:15:50 <GNUtoo> leviathan, what about the experimental ubifs
Apr 10 12:16:04 <leviathan> hmm
Apr 10 12:16:30 <GNUtoo> with very high compression setting
Apr 10 12:16:48 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: I'm working in my libfso-glib branch anyway... so you still have it :)
Apr 10 12:16:51 <GNUtoo> does our kenrel have that?
Apr 10 12:17:04 <Heinervdm> :)
Apr 10 12:17:05 <GNUtoo> leviathan, btw strange that you're talking about bootloader
Apr 10 12:17:24 <GNUtoo> leviathan, notmally it's the kenrel which load the root filesystem 
Apr 10 12:18:47 <GNUtoo> leviathan, also here.I bet the bootloader doesn't control all the bootargs
Apr 10 12:18:50 <khiraly> hi
Apr 10 12:19:02 <leviathan> GNUtoo: but it can prevent the flash process
Apr 10 12:19:16 <khiraly> I would like to know where can I download python-serial package for shr  (which is shr unstable from december or november)
Apr 10 12:19:38 <GNUtoo> leviathan, ah? just flash an image from cm-recovery-1.4 or something like that
Apr 10 12:19:53 <leviathan> hmm?
Apr 10 12:20:01 <leviathan> whats that?
Apr 10 12:20:14 <GNUtoo> leviathan, let me show you a howto I made
Apr 10 12:20:22 <leviathan> yes
Apr 10 12:20:24 <leviathan> please
Apr 10 12:20:54 <GNUtoo> leviathan, http://trac.osuosl.org/trac/replicant/wiki/InstallAndroid
Apr 10 12:21:59 <GNUtoo> leviathan, cm-recovery-1.4 is an image that execute itself from ram
Apr 10 12:22:11 <GNUtoo> leviathan, and it's capable of flashing
Apr 10 12:22:24 <khiraly> or just for shr unstable
Apr 10 12:22:27 <GNUtoo> leviathan, else you could port or use their system and boot from sdcard then flash
Apr 10 12:22:29 <khiraly> where is the repository
Apr 10 12:22:52 <GNUtoo> leviathan, I meant port their system to oe/shr/sdcard
Apr 10 12:23:11 <leviathan> hmm
Apr 10 12:23:12 <leviathan> ok
Apr 10 12:23:41 <leviathan> ok, didn't work out
Apr 10 12:23:49 <GNUtoo> ?
Apr 10 12:23:51 <leviathan> it flashes trough
Apr 10 12:24:09 <leviathan> but its not able of mounting the rootfs
Apr 10 12:24:12 <GNUtoo> leviathan, what bootloader do you have btw?
Apr 10 12:24:16 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 12:24:18 <Heinervdm> khiraly: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/ but i don't know if we have taht package
Apr 10 12:24:29 <GNUtoo> leviathan, that's kernel problem then
Apr 10 12:24:55 <GNUtoo> leviathan, you have the engineering bootloader?
Apr 10 12:25:07 <GNUtoo> personally I kept the default on
Apr 10 12:25:18 <GNUtoo> too many variables
Apr 10 12:25:31 <GNUtoo> so I am afraid to brick the device
Apr 10 12:25:38 <GNUtoo> and also I can workarround it
Apr 10 12:25:39 <GNUtoo> so...
Apr 10 12:26:01 <leviathan> I have fastboot
Apr 10 12:26:02 <leviathan> yes
Apr 10 12:26:37 <GNUtoo> fastboot is the uttility for talking to the bootloader,not the bootloader's name
Apr 10 12:26:44 <GNUtoo> so the yes stands for?
Apr 10 12:26:56 <GNUtoo> the engineering bootloader
Apr 10 12:26:57 <GNUtoo> ?
Apr 10 12:27:16 <leviathan> yes
Apr 10 12:27:18 <leviathan> :)
Apr 10 12:27:28 <mickeyl> morning, what's new
Apr 10 12:27:28 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 12:27:29 <mickeyl> ?
Apr 10 12:27:38 <leviathan> hi mickeyl
Apr 10 12:27:52 <leviathan> I'm try'n atm to get SHR into internal memory >_<
Apr 10 12:28:14 <leviathan> ahh, btw, we should take a look onto the keymap of cm-recovery
Apr 10 12:28:20 <leviathan> they have a console with - and /
Apr 10 12:28:36 <GNUtoo> indeed
Apr 10 12:28:38 <mickeyl> ok, cool, while i don't think it's so important at this point of time, it's certainly good to know whether it'll work :)
Apr 10 12:28:56 * mickeyl hacks on msm_fb meanwhile
Apr 10 12:33:21 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, what are you doing on msm_fb?
Apr 10 12:33:32 <mickeyl> i have something i want to try... also not important, but i'm curious... I want to add an ioctl that calls the msm_update procedure, so that we can update individual fb regions from userland and no longer need the refresh thread at all.
Apr 10 12:33:34 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, I pushed things before going to bed yesterday
Apr 10 12:33:51 <mickeyl> GNUtoo: the #ifdef CONFIG_ or more?
Apr 10 12:33:58 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, the refresh thread can be killed 
Apr 10 12:34:14 <mickeyl> yes, it really gets killed now
Apr 10 12:34:16 <GNUtoo> mickeyl,yes the  #ifdef CONFIG_ for the ioctl
Apr 10 12:34:18 <mickeyl> that's great, i tested it
Apr 10 12:34:29 <mickeyl> it doesn't fix suspend/resume, but it's good anyways for system performance
Apr 10 12:34:35 <mickeyl> so, great work
Apr 10 12:35:46 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, for suspend/resume maybe it is a necessary part of it
Apr 10 12:35:58 <GNUtoo> that is to say several things could block it
Apr 10 12:36:07 <mickeyl> right
Apr 10 12:36:20 <mickeyl> i don't think it has to do with wakelocks and earlysuspend though
Apr 10 12:36:27 <GNUtoo> ah?
Apr 10 12:36:32 <GNUtoo> so what could it be?
Apr 10 12:36:40 <mickeyl> i rather think there is a bogus wakeup source configured
Apr 10 12:36:45 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 12:36:51 <mickeyl> something that triggers an ireq
Apr 10 12:36:54 <mickeyl> and boom... we wake up
Apr 10 12:37:01 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 12:37:02 <mickeyl> just a theory, of course
Apr 10 12:37:06 * mickeyl no idea
Apr 10 12:37:08 <mickeyl> :)
Apr 10 12:37:15 <GNUtoo> what is FIQ handler btw?
Apr 10 12:37:46 <mickeyl> fast irq handler?
Apr 10 12:37:52 <mickeyl> irq service procedure iirc
Apr 10 12:38:01 <GNUtoo> ah ok
Apr 10 12:38:03 <GNUtoo> for rpc
Apr 10 12:40:39 <mickeyl> ah, btw
Apr 10 12:40:59 <mickeyl> i think i found the reason for the double panel init
Apr 10 12:41:47 <mickeyl> for some reason the consolefb triggers it when moving back into text mode. it doesn't happen in graphics mode, so we're basically fine. still we could think about checking whether the panel has been already init'ed in panel_init
Apr 10 12:42:13 <mickeyl> since we will probably not have a consolefb in final version, we're ok 
Apr 10 12:42:22 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, I really why console fb works without refresh thread and not xorg because:
Apr 10 12:42:29 <GNUtoo> *the refresh functions are not exported
Apr 10 12:42:32 <leviathan> I'd like to have the rootfs in internal memory
Apr 10 12:42:38 <leviathan> for having sd-card for sound and movies
Apr 10 12:42:46 <GNUtoo> *I diffed fb console with 2.6.32,no changes at all
Apr 10 12:42:59 <mickeyl> GNUtoo: i think i know
Apr 10 12:43:00 <mickeyl> :)
Apr 10 12:43:02 <GNUtoo> leviathan, me too
Apr 10 12:43:13 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, wow....so what is it?
Apr 10 12:43:15 <mickeyl> it could be that the consolefb calls the PAN ioctl
Apr 10 12:43:27 <mickeyl> whenever you enter a character or wahtever
Apr 10 12:43:32 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, so directly in pannel?
Apr 10 12:43:34 <mickeyl> and the PAN ioctl leads to a system update
Apr 10 12:43:44 <mickeyl> well FBIOPAN is just a normal fbioctl
Apr 10 12:43:52 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, ok
Apr 10 12:44:13 <GNUtoo> I'll look
Apr 10 12:44:14 <mickeyl> 	.fb_pan_display = msmfb_pan_display,
Apr 10 12:44:21 <mickeyl> 	.fb_fillrect = msmfb_fillrect,
Apr 10 12:44:21 <mickeyl> 	.fb_copyarea = msmfb_copyarea,
Apr 10 12:44:22 <mickeyl> etc.
Apr 10 12:44:31 <mickeyl> all these are accessible from console fb
Apr 10 12:44:41 <mickeyl> which means it doesn't need a refresh thread
Apr 10 12:45:07 <leviathan> GNUtoo: http://pastebin.com/rycR9HSB
Apr 10 12:45:09 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 12:45:19 <mickeyl> i enjoy reading a bit of kernel code
Apr 10 12:45:23 <mickeyl> some of it is better than i thought
Apr 10 12:45:34 <mickeyl> (the parts where google didn't have their hands in...)
Apr 10 12:45:39 <mickeyl> or qualcomm, for that matter
Apr 10 12:45:40 <GNUtoo> leviathan, I've that at each boot
Apr 10 12:45:49 <GNUtoo> lol ok
Apr 10 12:45:57 <leviathan> root@htcdream ~ $ mount /dev/mtdblock3 /media/card/
Apr 10 12:45:57 <leviathan> Segmentation fault
Apr 10 12:46:00 <leviathan> this too?
Apr 10 12:46:06 <GNUtoo> leviathan, didn't try
Apr 10 12:46:07 <leviathan> >_<
Apr 10 12:46:20 <GNUtoo> leviathan, I'll try later
Apr 10 12:48:26 <leviathan> ok
Apr 10 12:50:30 <GNUtoo> leviathan, I'll try mounting yaffs partitions
Apr 10 12:50:34 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r76161af27c5c 10/tools/fso-alsa/ (14 files in 2 dirs): fso-alsa; small alsa diagnostics and testing utility
Apr 10 12:50:53 <GNUtoo> s/yaffs/yaffs2
Apr 10 12:54:54 <leviathan> uhm
Apr 10 12:55:02 <leviathan> GNUtoo: yaffs2 works
Apr 10 12:55:13 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 12:55:13 <leviathan> jffs2 doesnt work
Apr 10 12:55:15 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 12:55:19 <GNUtoo> wrong parameters
Apr 10 12:55:19 <GNUtoo> ?
Apr 10 12:59:49 <GNUtoo> leviathan, what about ubifs,do we have it in our kenrel?
Apr 10 13:12:08 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2b7b03b8cfe6 10/tools/fso-alsa/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am src/main.vala): fso-alsa: dump scenario works
Apr 10 13:16:47 <GNUtoo> leviathan, why do you want jffs2 over yaffs2?
Apr 10 13:16:54 <GNUtoo> s/over/instead of
Apr 10 13:19:21 <GNUtoo> leviathan, do you use lzo or zlib?
Apr 10 13:19:26 <leviathan> uhmm
Apr 10 13:19:32 <leviathan> default option from bitbake
Apr 10 13:19:33 <leviathan> dunno
Apr 10 13:19:37 <leviathan> :-/
Apr 10 13:20:27 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 13:23:34 <GNUtoo> leviathan, what's IMAGECMD_jffs2 ?
Apr 10 13:24:10 <GNUtoo> leviathan, also most importnat...I hope you have jffs2 in your kernel
Apr 10 13:24:20 <GNUtoo> because it's not in the oe-built kenrel
Apr 10 13:24:26 <GNUtoo> we have
Apr 10 13:24:52 <GNUtoo> sh no sorry
Apr 10 13:24:53 <GNUtoo> it is
Apr 10 13:24:56 <GNUtoo> but there is no
Apr 10 13:25:20 <GNUtoo> Advanced compression options for JFFS2
Apr 10 13:25:59 <leviathan> hmm
Apr 10 13:26:01 <leviathan> oh
Apr 10 13:26:06 <leviathan> hmm
Apr 10 13:26:19 <leviathan> I have activated everything in my kernel for jffs2
Apr 10 13:26:24 <leviathan> and have disabled yaffs2
Apr 10 13:26:24 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 13:27:12 <GNUtoo> I checked the jffs2 options accidentaly and forgot about it,so it's not in oe 
Apr 10 13:27:15 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 13:27:26 <GNUtoo> how did you flash
Apr 10 13:27:28 <leviathan> ops->len 512 is not supported
Apr 10 13:27:32 <GNUtoo> what are the extra arguments
Apr 10 13:27:33 <GNUtoo> ?
Apr 10 13:27:33 <leviathan> flash_image
Apr 10 13:27:43 <leviathan> flash_image system blah.jffs2
Apr 10 13:28:01 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 13:28:09 <GNUtoo> I'll try
Apr 10 13:28:12 <GNUtoo> but backup before
Apr 10 13:32:15 <leviathan> k
Apr 10 13:32:38 <leviathan> GNUtoo: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~davidlan/downloads/OE/htcdream/
Apr 10 13:32:43 <leviathan> these two files
Apr 10 13:32:48 <leviathan> kernel and rootfs
Apr 10 13:32:51 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 13:33:02 <leviathan> but it gives us the error
Apr 10 13:33:06 <GNUtoo> mmm
Apr 10 13:33:06 <leviathan> ops->len 512 is not supported
Apr 10 13:33:09 <GNUtoo> zimage.bin?
Apr 10 13:33:15 <leviathan> mkbootimg
Apr 10 13:33:24 <GNUtoo> not .fastboot?
Apr 10 13:33:35 <leviathan> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_on_HTC-Dream#For_internal_rootfs
Apr 10 13:33:47 <leviathan> I do have multiple partitions I'm testing with
Apr 10 13:33:51 <GNUtoo> ok so you do it manually
Apr 10 13:33:56 <leviathan> yes
Apr 10 13:44:42 <GNUtoo> leviathan, you must ask mickeyl,because I don't know what to put in EXTRA_IMAGECMD_jffs2
Apr 10 13:45:06 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * r8096f823b6e4 10/zhone2/ (data/themes/toby/zhone.edc src/main.vala): zhone2: fadeout OSD after a small delay
Apr 10 13:45:07 <leviathan> ok
Apr 10 13:45:27 <leviathan> mickeyl: what do we need to put in EXTRA_IMAGECMD_jffs2?
Apr 10 13:45:31 <leviathan> :)
Apr 10 13:45:40 <mickeyl> depends on your system parameters
Apr 10 13:45:44 <mickeyl> partition size
Apr 10 13:45:46 <mickeyl> eraseblock size
Apr 10 13:45:48 <GNUtoo> is there a howto for discovering the paramters?
Apr 10 13:45:48 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 13:45:55 <mickeyl> cat /proc/mtdinfo is a good start
Apr 10 13:46:05 <leviathan> ok
Apr 10 13:49:43 <GNUtoo> EXTRA_IMAGECMD_jffs2 = "--pad --little-endian --eraseblock=0x20000" is ok? for mtd3: 04380000 00020000 "system"
Apr 10 13:49:46 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * r1e3dca8a407f 10/zhone2/src/main.vala: zhone2: change volume handling
Apr 10 13:49:54 <GNUtoo> it's a while I didn't look into mtd
Apr 10 13:50:47 * GNUtoo is looking into the book
Apr 10 13:55:10 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5e5413bf30b3 10/tools/fso-alsa/src/main.vala: fso-alsa: dump simple mixer settings
Apr 10 13:56:40 <leviathan> GNUtoo: I'll try it
Apr 10 13:56:52 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 13:58:41 <leviathan> GNUtoo: would make the things much easier to test
Apr 10 13:58:55 <leviathan> if I only can fastboot flash system foo.jffs2 it
Apr 10 14:00:16 <GNUtoo> it would but it's risky
Apr 10 14:00:28 <GNUtoo> leviathan, I've a better way:
Apr 10 14:00:38 <GNUtoo> port the flasing tool to shr 
Apr 10 14:00:43 <GNUtoo> and you'll have them on sd
Apr 10 14:00:48 <GNUtoo> and it would be faster
Apr 10 14:00:52 <GNUtoo> you could boot the kenrel
Apr 10 14:00:56 <GNUtoo> boot on sd
Apr 10 14:01:03 <GNUtoo> flash,mount,flash,mount
Apr 10 14:01:04 <GNUtoo> etc...
Apr 10 14:02:27 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r651d7c025b2d 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/phonebook.vala: fsogsmd: phonebook: fix swapped name/number in SIM entries
Apr 10 14:02:39 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r76616e860c75 10/tools/mterm2/src/main.vala: mterm2: cosmetics
Apr 10 14:04:48 <mickeyl> where do we stand wrt. wifi?
Apr 10 14:05:15 <mickeyl> should we try to uplevel the kernel to 2.6.34? 
Apr 10 14:05:43 <mickeyl> or can we show the oops/hang to someone else?
Apr 10 14:06:19 <leviathan> torwalds ;-D
Apr 10 14:06:24 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, ok I'll look again with new image
Apr 10 14:06:43 <mickeyl> oki
Apr 10 14:07:05 <leviathan> but would be funny, if torwalds would participate into our project
Apr 10 14:07:07 <leviathan> xD
Apr 10 14:07:30 <leviathan> anyway
Apr 10 14:07:37 <leviathan> we need some other qualified person
Apr 10 14:07:44 <leviathan> which gives a fresh look to it
Apr 10 14:08:13 <leviathan> sadly that harald seems to dislike me, since I told him, he would have a very ugly presentation style
Apr 10 14:08:22 <mickeyl> heh
Apr 10 14:08:42 <leviathan> too much text on the presentation sheet
Apr 10 14:08:49 <leviathan> and then he talks also so much
Apr 10 14:09:11 <leviathan> so that you either can read the sheet or hear what hes say'n
Apr 10 14:09:21 <leviathan> so I never watch his presentations live
Apr 10 14:09:29 <leviathan> but only as podcast twice
Apr 10 14:09:34 <leviathan> once without sound
Apr 10 14:09:38 <leviathan> once without image
Apr 10 14:09:39 <leviathan> xD
Apr 10 14:11:12 <mickeyl> ooh, now i know why my volume control doesn't work on dream
Apr 10 14:11:18 <mickeyl> strange value range
Apr 10 14:11:22 <leviathan> mickeyl: why?
Apr 10 14:11:26 <mickeyl> root@htcdream:~# fso-alsa mixer   
Apr 10 14:11:26 <mickeyl> 2010-04-10T14:09:02.635437Z [INFO]  fso-alsa : Binary launched successful (FsoFrameworkStdErrLogger created as theLogger)
Apr 10 14:11:26 <mickeyl> # simple mixer settings
Apr 10 14:11:26 <mickeyl> PCM: [ -50 - 0 - 16 ]
Apr 10 14:11:34 <leviathan> ohh
Apr 10 14:11:37 <leviathan> bad
Apr 10 14:11:38 <mickeyl> negative values
Apr 10 14:11:41 <mickeyl> nah, it's ok
Apr 10 14:11:47 <mickeyl> below 0 it's attenuation
Apr 10 14:12:00 <mickeyl> i just need to take that into account
Apr 10 14:12:05 <mickeyl> alsamixer works fine
Apr 10 14:15:32 <leviathan> GNUtoo: it still oopses if I try to mount it on bootup
Apr 10 14:16:35 <GNUtoo> leviathan, I'll have to test something for wifi,I'll see jffs2 or ubifs later
Apr 10 14:16:43 <leviathan> ok
Apr 10 14:20:58 <leviathan> GNUtoo: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23htc-linux/20090601.html.gz
Apr 10 14:21:07 <leviathan> seems cr2 is nearer to a solutin
Apr 10 14:23:53 <GNUtoo> leviathan, for gps?
Apr 10 14:24:39 <leviathan> no
Apr 10 14:24:42 <leviathan> GNUtoo: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23htc-linux/20090601.html.gz
Apr 10 14:24:46 <leviathan> nand
Apr 10 14:24:47 <leviathan> :)
Apr 10 14:25:05 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 14:25:18 <GNUtoo> I saw for nand things but I didn't have the time to read the whole log
Apr 10 14:25:35 <GNUtoo> so I was not shure it was that you were talking about
Apr 10 14:27:12 <leviathan> if you search for our error
Apr 10 14:27:19 <leviathan> they have exactly the same one
Apr 10 14:27:54 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rba5304068fe8 10/fsodeviced/src/lib/alsa.vala: fsodeviced: alsa: fix volume control when min is < 0
Apr 10 14:28:58 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 14:31:19 <mickeyl> ~seen raster
Apr 10 14:31:22 <apt> raster <~raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1d 15h 14m 46s ago, saying: 'meh'.
Apr 10 14:35:42 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, where was enabled/disabled your firmware loader?
Apr 10 14:36:03 <mickeyl> ok, volume works now
Apr 10 14:36:15 <mickeyl> GNUtoo: edit fsodeviced.conf
Apr 10 14:36:22 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 14:36:31 <mickeyl> (probably the one in /etc/freesmartphone/conf/htc_qualcomm_dream/fsodeviced.conf)
Apr 10 14:36:34 <mickeyl> and add one line
Apr 10 14:36:43 <mickeyl> [fsodevice.kernel26_firmwareloader]
Apr 10 14:36:45 <mickeyl> that's all
Apr 10 14:37:02 <mickeyl> and restart fsodeviced
Apr 10 14:37:07 <mickeyl> ok, volume control works fine with dream
Apr 10 14:37:21 <mickeyl> and we have a nice OSD that fades away after pressing volume keys
Apr 10 14:37:36 <mickeyl> i'll create three scenarios now
Apr 10 14:38:49 <tim_abell> why does http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Developing%20SHR refer to shr-testing rather than shr-unstable?
Apr 10 14:39:38 <tim_abell> especially when http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Getting%20started%20developing%20SHR refers to shr-u
Apr 10 14:39:56 <Heinervdm> tim_abell: where does it refer to testing?
Apr 10 14:40:12 <tim_abell> "cd shr-testing"
Apr 10 14:40:23 <tim_abell> under "Just building a SHR project"
Apr 10 14:40:40 <Heinervdm> ah, no idea
Apr 10 14:40:44 <tim_abell> "You should always be in the shr-testing directory before you can use the bitbake command."
Apr 10 14:40:50 <Heinervdm> but that doesn't matter
Apr 10 14:40:50 <tim_abell> a little confusing
Apr 10 14:41:15 <tim_abell> i ignored it and carried on in shr-unstable
Apr 10 14:41:39 <Heinervdm> someone trying to build sth should be able to think
Apr 10 14:42:29 <Heinervdm> but that page is really outdated
Apr 10 14:42:35 <tim_abell> oh
Apr 10 14:42:43 <Heinervdm> it's reffering to the shr overlay
Apr 10 14:42:48 <tim_abell> i ended up there because i can't build omnewrotate without it
Apr 10 14:43:17 <tim_abell> i asked how to compile omnewrotate, and was told to go and read http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building%20SHR
Apr 10 14:43:24 <tim_abell> which then links to the above
Apr 10 14:44:04 <tim_abell> i couldn't build omnewrotate on it's own because i couldn't find gnome-autogen.sh
Apr 10 14:44:13 <Heinervdm> "If you are interested in developing SHR application"
Apr 10 14:44:29 <tim_abell> which is in autogen.sh
Apr 10 14:44:33 <tim_abell> i am?
Apr 10 14:44:44 <tim_abell> omnewrotate is an shr application, no?
Apr 10 14:45:01 <Heinervdm> omnewrotate is no SHR application
Apr 10 14:45:21 <tim_abell> but i run shr, and i have omnewrotate from the official feeds
Apr 10 14:45:25 <Heinervdm> i think i should remove that section, because it's mentionds later again
Apr 10 14:46:32 <Heinervdm> SHR applications are libphone-ui, libphone-ui-shr, phonuid, phonefsod, shr-settings and pyphonelog
Apr 10 14:46:47 <Heinervdm> but that doesn't matter
Apr 10 14:46:58 <Heinervdm> you found out how to build it
Apr 10 14:47:12 <tim_abell> perhaps they should be called shr core applications or something, because as an end user i'd consider anything that runs on it to be an shr application
Apr 10 14:47:18 <mrmoku> mickeyl: possible that fsogsmd does not send a signal for received SMS?
Apr 10 14:47:20 <tim_abell> much like excel is a windows application
Apr 10 14:47:25 <tim_abell> (shudder)
Apr 10 14:48:11 <tim_abell> my machine is currently very warm trying to run the build command, we'll see if i'm heading in the right direction :)
Apr 10 14:48:15 <Heinervdm> tim_abell: it's a wiki, you are allowed to change it ;)
Apr 10 14:48:28 <tim_abell> sure, but i didn't know if i was wrong
Apr 10 14:48:40 <tim_abell> wouldn't want to reduce the quality of info ;-)
Apr 10 14:49:45 <tim_abell> i did correct a path that was back to front
Apr 10 14:49:59 <mickeyl> mrmoku: hmm, i swear that was working when i was in austria... that patch seems missing now
Apr 10 14:50:28 <mrmoku> mickeyl: at least there is a patch then :)
Apr 10 14:50:35 <mickeyl> well
Apr 10 14:50:36 <mickeyl> there was one...
Apr 10 14:51:05 <mrmoku> I was running mdbus -s -l org.freesmartphone.ogsmd
Apr 10 14:51:06 <Heinervdm> tim_abell: the page is written by advanced developers but is for beginners. So i think every beginner that changes something will make it clearer for other beginners
Apr 10 14:51:10 <mickeyl> let me finish what i'm working on
Apr 10 14:51:14 <mickeyl> then i will take a look
Apr 10 14:51:16 <mrmoku> sure
Apr 10 14:52:09 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rec1d97ded5ed 10/fsodeviced/ (9 files in 3 dirs): fsodeviced: htc_qualcomm_dream: add preliminary alsa scenarios for a couple of usecases
Apr 10 14:55:25 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, I'll have to go,I'll fix this firmware issue later
Apr 10 14:55:29 <GNUtoo> but I'll do it
Apr 10 14:56:19 <mickeyl> hmm, k
Apr 10 14:59:40 <mrmoku> TAsn: is there some callback to attach to when a notify get's closed via timeout?
Apr 10 15:00:00 <TAsn> unfortunately, not that I know of.
Apr 10 15:00:12 <TAsn> You can attach to the "hide" callback, if there is such
Apr 10 15:00:27 <TAsn> ask in #e they mostly have good solutions :)
Apr 10 15:00:49 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3a9f376ce3c6 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/sms.vala: fsogsmd: send signal on (completed) incoming text message
Apr 10 15:01:04 <mickeyl> mrmoku: please try that, untested though
Apr 10 15:01:13 <mrmoku> mickeyl: will do thanks
Apr 10 15:02:00 <mrmoku> TAsn: ok
Apr 10 15:02:18 <mrmoku> TAsn: alternative would be to have a timeout myself and do the notify without
Apr 10 15:02:35 <TAsn> mickeyl, completed incoming message? what does that mean? you merge split messages in fsogsmd?
Apr 10 15:02:38 <mickeyl> leviathan: ok, given that it's not possible to route audio to more than just one output, the three speaker controls are misleading and i would prefer a routing control instead
Apr 10 15:02:44 <mickeyl> TAsn: yes
Apr 10 15:02:46 <TAsn> mrmoku, but that's ugly.
Apr 10 15:02:54 <TAsn> mickeyl, but sometimes we'd like to have split messages shown.
Apr 10 15:03:00 <TAsn> Do you still signal about them?
Apr 10 15:03:19 <mickeyl> TAsn: basically we have two interfaces now
Apr 10 15:03:26 <mickeyl> org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS is high level textual
Apr 10 15:03:31 <mickeyl> org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM is lowlevel SIM access
Apr 10 15:03:44 <mickeyl> SMS will not allow access to individual messages nor binary
Apr 10 15:03:53 <mickeyl> SIM will work more or less like before
Apr 10 15:04:19 <TAsn> mickeyl, sim? even when I want straight access?
Apr 10 15:04:28 <TAsn> I mean, SimCache Off
Apr 10 15:04:28 <mickeyl> what do you mean with straight?
Apr 10 15:04:30 <mickeyl> ah
Apr 10 15:04:39 <mickeyl> sim cache off will no longer be accessible
Apr 10 15:04:55 <TAsn> Really? sim caching will always happen?
Apr 10 15:04:58 <mickeyl> yes
Apr 10 15:05:01 <mickeyl> either that or
Apr 10 15:05:03 <mickeyl> not
Apr 10 15:05:07 <mickeyl> but it will happen transparently
Apr 10 15:05:28 <mickeyl> it leads to very complex situations exposing this to userland
Apr 10 15:05:42 <Q-Master> sim caching suxx
Apr 10 15:05:43 <mickeyl> hence i strived rather for simplicity
Apr 10 15:05:50 <TAsn> mickeyl, I'm just thinking about opimd
Apr 10 15:06:03 <mickeyl> yes
Apr 10 15:06:04 <TAsn> as Q-Master elegantly said, sim caching suxx
Apr 10 15:06:12 <mickeyl> why do you say that?
Apr 10 15:06:16 <TAsn> I want to store it straight on opimd.
Apr 10 15:06:24 <mickeyl> good
Apr 10 15:06:24 <mickeyl> do it
Apr 10 15:06:28 <mickeyl> you will get a signal
Apr 10 15:06:33 <mickeyl> contains the message
Apr 10 15:06:40 <TAsn> mickeyl, and then delete from sim?
Apr 10 15:06:43 <mickeyl> no
Apr 10 15:06:45 <mickeyl> don't bother with the SIM
Apr 10 15:06:47 <mickeyl> ignore that
Apr 10 15:06:55 <mickeyl> you will receive a signal on incoming text message
Apr 10 15:06:55 <TAsn> what will clear it from sim?
Apr 10 15:07:02 <mickeyl> fsogsmd will manage the SIM
Apr 10 15:07:08 <Q-Master> mickeyl: I will not be able to receive any long smses because of that i have a sim-emu with very low amount of sim-memory
Apr 10 15:07:29 <mickeyl> Q-Master: this will not be a problem
Apr 10 15:07:36 <mickeyl> as long as your SIM can handle one message
Apr 10 15:07:37 <Q-Master> not sure
Apr 10 15:07:39 <mickeyl> everything will work
Apr 10 15:07:49 <mickeyl> your SIM has space for one message, right? :)
Apr 10 15:08:23 <TAsn> mickeyl, I just think this is a bad idea.
Apr 10 15:08:33 <TAsn> Maybe not expose it to userland
Apr 10 15:08:39 <TAsn> but at least internally (using a config?)
Apr 10 15:08:51 <TAsn> To set whether we want sim caching or not.
Apr 10 15:09:08 <TAsn> Maybe fsogsmd should even interact with opimd and do it itself
Apr 10 15:09:09 <mickeyl> i will think about that, but i have yet to see a convincing argument why sim caching is bad
Apr 10 15:09:23 <TAsn> (which I think is better btw, making fsogsmd store in opimd, and not how it's done atm)
Apr 10 15:09:45 <TAsn> mickeyl, why it's bad: 1) sim i/o
Apr 10 15:09:59 <TAsn> 2) feels redundant
Apr 10 15:10:14 <TAsn> 3) I don't think this makes anything simpler.
Apr 10 15:10:38 <TAsn> mickeyl, Isn't there a way to get the message into fsogsmd and let it decide
Apr 10 15:10:46 <TAsn> whether to push messages to sim, or not?
Apr 10 15:10:52 <mickeyl> no
Apr 10 15:11:02 <mickeyl> the decision is done in the TA
Apr 10 15:11:02 <TAsn> I know there were issues with calypso timeout or whatever
Apr 10 15:11:13 <mickeyl> sim caching is good
Apr 10 15:11:18 <mickeyl> since there is no timeout issue
Apr 10 15:11:21 <mickeyl> it will happen transparently
Apr 10 15:11:26 <mickeyl> and then you get the notification
Apr 10 15:11:34 <mickeyl> direct delivery is a problem
Apr 10 15:11:41 <mickeyl> you have to ACK/NACK in a certain period of time
Apr 10 15:11:51 <mickeyl> otherwise delivery will automatically be stopped without notification
Apr 10 15:11:55 <TAsn> mickeyl, let me rephrase:
Apr 10 15:12:02 <mickeyl> direct delivery can lead to lost messages
Apr 10 15:12:04 <mickeyl> sim caching not
Apr 10 15:12:05 <TAsn> I don't care about caching vs no caching
Apr 10 15:12:14 <TAsn> I care about doing annoying stuff in userland
Apr 10 15:12:26 <mickeyl> what is annoying?
Apr 10 15:12:26 <TAsn> can you promise me I won't have to do annoying stuff in userland? :)
Apr 10 15:12:32 <mickeyl> i don#t know what you mean
Apr 10 15:12:43 <mickeyl> you receive a signal and pick up your text message
Apr 10 15:12:44 <mickeyl> done
Apr 10 15:12:44 <TAsn> removing message from sim after I read it, as you said, I won't have it, and that's fine with me then.
Apr 10 15:12:49 <TAsn> exactly.
Apr 10 15:12:51 <mickeyl> you don't know about the SIM
Apr 10 15:12:54 <mickeyl> unless you want to
Apr 10 15:12:54 <TAsn> So I'm fine with that.
Apr 10 15:13:02 <mickeyl> :)
Apr 10 15:13:05 <TAsn> :P
Apr 10 15:13:20 <mickeyl> the SMS interface is really a higher level of abstraction
Apr 10 15:13:27 <mickeyl> it still supports direct delivery
Apr 10 15:13:33 <mickeyl> but for now i tend to not want that
Apr 10 15:13:45 <mickeyl> it will _feel_ as direct delivery to you though
Apr 10 15:13:56 <TAsn> mickeyl, that's what I care about.
Apr 10 15:13:59 <mickeyl> right
Apr 10 15:14:19 <mickeyl> as for fsogsmd pushing messages into opimd, that's a completely different story, and we can talk about that on another occasion
Apr 10 15:16:07 <TAsn> I also prefer delaying that to a different time :)
Apr 10 15:16:36 <mickeyl> speaking about time
Apr 10 15:16:39 <TAsn> Again, I don't really care about that, it just sounds "more correct" letting opimd send the signal about the new message, instead of fsogsmd.
Apr 10 15:16:41 <mickeyl> i see a big tendency for july
Apr 10 15:16:44 <mickeyl> for fsoshrcon
Apr 10 15:17:07 <TAsn> did you get the email?
Apr 10 15:17:15 <mickeyl> don't think so
Apr 10 15:17:21 <mickeyl> just looked at doodle
Apr 10 15:17:32 <TAsn> ok, doodle is good enough :)
Apr 10 15:17:44 <TAsn> yes, I also prefer july (I think)
Apr 10 15:18:18 <Weiss> does /sys/bus/spi/devices list JBT6k74 normally with 2.6.32? (KMS or otherwise)
Apr 10 15:18:21 <mrmoku> TAsn: have it again the seg now
Apr 10 15:18:40 <mrmoku> attached to enlightenment with gdb
Apr 10 15:18:41 <mrmoku> what now?
Apr 10 15:19:08 <mickeyl> TAsn: here i agree with you, but there's one thing i want to support which is taking bits and pieces out of FSO. There are applications which need sms handling, but don't need full PIM (think M2M), those should have a way to use FSO without opimd. At the end of the day, I would expect smartphone apps not to listen to org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS, but rather org.freesmartphone.PIM.message, since they don't (or should not) care about whether 
Apr 10 15:19:09 <mickeyl> n SMS or an Email or a Jabber notification.
Apr 10 15:19:25 <TAsn> mrmoku, backtrace?
Apr 10 15:19:38 <TAsn> mrmoku, or more importantly, ask the #e guys what they need, as I ain't gonna debug it :)
Apr 10 15:19:41 <mrmoku> #0  0x408ef650 in poll () from /lib/libc.so.6
Apr 10 15:19:42 <mrmoku> #1  0x406aa474 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
Apr 10 15:19:42 <mrmoku> #2  0x406aa474 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
Apr 10 15:19:42 <mrmoku> Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)
Apr 10 15:19:52 <mrmoku> ok
Apr 10 15:20:03 <TAsn> mickeyl, exactly.
Apr 10 15:20:47 <TAsn> mickeyl, I agree with your cause, that's why I think a config option, or maybe even a try to send to opimd and if that fails send a signal are better.
Apr 10 15:21:19 <mickeyl> TAsn: ok, i will certainly consider this.
Apr 10 15:21:51 <mrmoku> Weiss: I have /sys/bus/spi/devices/spi2.0/lcd/jbt6k74-lcd/
Apr 10 15:22:11 <TAsn> it's not the end of the world having two signals, I'm just saying this will clean a lot of stuff from the opimd code, that shouldn't be there in the first place.
Apr 10 15:22:32 <Weiss> mrmoku: on .32?
Apr 10 15:22:42 <TAsn> mickeyl, btw, concerning phonelogging, did you remember to add a way to tell whether a call got rejected by the user or by the modem?
Apr 10 15:22:58 <TAsn> (for marking "rejected" calls as incoming and not missed)
Apr 10 15:24:08 <mickeyl> ah that, definitely on the agenda. i have started with inquiring the modem about the last call status after disconnect and this is part of the signal now, i need to check whether it really tells the difference between rejecting the call and not. If the modem does not do that on its own, I will synthesize this info into the signal
Apr 10 15:24:19 <mrmoku> TAsn: for now it would be nice if opimd could listen to org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.IncomingTextMessage
Apr 10 15:24:23 <mrmoku> mickeyl: works :)
Apr 10 15:24:25 <mrmoku> Weiss: yes
Apr 10 15:24:30 <TAsn> mickeyl, thanks.
Apr 10 15:24:40 <mrmoku> Linux version 2.6.32.10 (mok@gonzales) (gcc version 4.4.3 (GCC) ) #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 8 14:29:48 CEST 2010
Apr 10 15:24:52 <TAsn> mrmoku, I need to know exactly what's new and what was removed
Apr 10 15:25:08 <TAsn> As I don't want to have doubles.
Apr 10 15:25:08 <mrmoku> TAsn: ?
Apr 10 15:25:16 <TAsn> org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.IncomingTextMessage
Apr 10 15:25:22 <TAsn> was is there in the last version?
Apr 10 15:25:30 <mrmoku> that's new with fsogsmd
Apr 10 15:25:33 <TAsn> ok
Apr 10 15:25:42 <TAsn> and what about what I'm listening to atm? do they still exist?
Apr 10 15:25:46 <mickeyl> mrmoku: great!
Apr 10 15:25:55 <TAsn> I mean, do I need to listen to either
Apr 10 15:25:58 <mrmoku> TAsn: and that's the only signal I got
Apr 10 15:26:01 <TAsn> or I can listen to both?
Apr 10 15:26:08 <TAsn> mickeyl, is this true? ^
Apr 10 15:26:18 <TAsn> Can I listen to both the old and new signals without a care in the world? :)
Apr 10 15:26:21 <mickeyl> right now we only have that signal
Apr 10 15:26:34 <Weiss> mrmoku: cool, thanks
Apr 10 15:26:40 <mickeyl> you can listen to many signals at once ;)
Apr 10 15:26:44 <mickeyl> even non-existing ones ;)
Apr 10 15:26:56 <mrmoku> guess he does not want to get the message twice into opimd ;)
Apr 10 15:27:09 <TAsn> mickeyl, I know, as signal matching is done in the app, all the applications get all the signals 
Apr 10 15:27:10 <mickeyl> ah, that won't happen
Apr 10 15:27:20 <mickeyl> yeah, that's a major deficiency in dbus
Apr 10 15:27:21 <mickeyl> and actually
Apr 10 15:27:32 <mickeyl> perhaps the reason why we need to rethink our API next year
Apr 10 15:27:35 <TAsn> mickeyl, it would have if I had both the lower level and upper level signals 
Apr 10 15:27:39 <mickeyl> revamping it completely to be agent based
Apr 10 15:27:51 <TAsn> mickeyl, agent based?
Apr 10 15:28:49 <TAsn> mrmoku, mind giving me an example of a correct org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.IncomingTextMessage signal?
Apr 10 15:29:34 <mickeyl> yeah, agent-based, that means we no longer use signals, but rahter have one agent that is implementing an interface and gets notified when stuff happens 
Apr 10 15:29:40 <mickeyl> this removes a lot of performance problems in dbus
Apr 10 15:30:01 <mickeyl> Marcel Holtmann is going this way with his projects 
Apr 10 15:30:07 <mickeyl> and in this case i tend to agree with him 
Apr 10 15:30:09 <mickeyl> (d'oh)
Apr 10 15:30:51 <TAsn> i c, dbus is a big fat performance penalty (or at least feels like it)
Apr 10 15:31:09 <mickeyl> well
Apr 10 15:31:13 <mickeyl> at least signals suck
Apr 10 15:31:18 <mickeyl> due to the way they're implemented
Apr 10 15:31:24 <mickeyl> method calls are ok
Apr 10 15:31:54 <TAsn> signals are the main issue.
Apr 10 15:32:21 <TAsn> but the overhead with working with dbus methods is visible
Apr 10 15:32:31 <TAsn> or at least that's what I remember
Apr 10 15:32:36 <mickeyl> sure
Apr 10 15:32:37 <TAsn> maybe it's python's fault, no idea.
Apr 10 15:32:52 <mickeyl> but it's not too bad
Apr 10 15:32:55 <mickeyl> all IPC will take time
Apr 10 15:32:57 <TAsn> but a simple method invocation and waiting for an answer has some overhead.
Apr 10 15:33:05 <TAsn> mickeyl, simple pipes are probably WAY faster.-
Apr 10 15:33:10 <mickeyl> yes, they are
Apr 10 15:33:28 <TAsn> I know they are not usable in this case, was just saying.
Apr 10 15:33:30 <mickeyl> but dbus is a necessary abstraction
Apr 10 15:33:34 <TAsn> of course.
Apr 10 15:33:40 <mickeyl> and... dbus is way slower than it could be
Apr 10 15:33:45 <mickeyl> it needs to be profiled and optimized
Apr 10 15:33:47 <mickeyl> but alas... 
Apr 10 15:33:48 <TAsn> :)
Apr 10 15:33:51 <mickeyl> fast enough for the desktop guys
Apr 10 15:33:55 <TAsn> yeah.
Apr 10 15:35:18 <mickeyl> actually, it's almost fast enough on current systems
Apr 10 15:35:24 <mickeyl> python is really the problem here
Apr 10 15:35:31 <mickeyl> dbus marshalling and on top python marshalling
Apr 10 15:35:43 <mickeyl> zhone2 really flies
Apr 10 15:35:51 <mickeyl> and once we have opimd and some more in Vala, all will be fine
Apr 10 15:36:23 <mickeyl> pity, i really liked python, but it's way more of a performance problem than i have ever thought
Apr 10 15:36:24 <mickeyl> :/
Apr 10 15:38:31 <mickeyl> bbiab, groceries
Apr 10 15:55:56 <TAsn> mickeyl, what's the best python way to get the timestamp + timezone from the IncomingTextMessage ?
Apr 10 15:56:20 <TAsn> as I don't know if your signal changes according to locale, or what I should except.
Apr 10 16:07:54 <Martix> mickeyl: do you have any papers/slides for speaking about FSO? except freesmartphone.org of course, I am going to have speak about FSO on Openmobility conference - www.openmobility.cz and inspiration resources are welcomed
Apr 10 16:35:21 <leviathan> hmm, ok
Apr 10 16:42:09 <GNUtoo> mickeyl,hi, for wifi I bet some kenrel config options are also part of the equation
Apr 10 16:42:16 <GNUtoo> I'll test something and report
Apr 10 16:42:37 <GNUtoo> leviathan, why is jffs2 better than yaffs2?
Apr 10 16:47:18 <mickeyl> Martix: i have a couple of slides from my previous presentations, I'm afraid they're not much worth without me though
Apr 10 16:47:49 <mrmoku> +08 means +(8*15min), right?
Apr 10 16:47:54 <mickeyl> e.g. http://linuxtogo.org/~mickeyl/FOSDEM2010.pdf
Apr 10 16:48:33 <mickeyl> mrmoku: i must confess I'm not sure right now, i would need to take a look at timestamp handling again
Apr 10 16:48:45 <mrmoku> http://www.forum.nokia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4050
Apr 10 16:48:52 <Martix> mickeyl: thanks, btw is video from your FOSDEM talk available?
Apr 10 16:49:02 <mickeyl> Martix: sadly no :/
Apr 10 16:49:07 <leviathan> GNUtoo: jffs2 is better because of the compression
Apr 10 16:49:13 <mickeyl> we did not get it done
Apr 10 16:49:23 <GNUtoo> leviathan, yaffs2 got no compression?
Apr 10 16:49:26 <mickeyl> devrooms had to care on their own about that
Apr 10 16:49:32 <leviathan> GNUtoo: SHR would fit into internal memory with jffs2
Apr 10 16:49:37 <leviathan> with yaffs2 it doesnt
Apr 10 16:49:41 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 16:49:43 <leviathan> its 3 times bigger
Apr 10 16:49:46 <GNUtoo> ah
Apr 10 16:50:08 <thrashold> What about ubifs? is it supported at all?
Apr 10 16:50:33 <GNUtoo> btw I seem to have that: [  127.547943] Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 000379db
Apr 10 16:50:36 <GNUtoo> will fix later
Apr 10 16:50:46 <mickeyl> on wlan0 down?
Apr 10 16:51:01 <GNUtoo> early_suspend+0x100/0x1b0 -> msmfb_suspend+0x14/0x24
Apr 10 16:51:15 <mickeyl> oh, ok
Apr 10 16:51:17 <GNUtoo> sorry for all this mess
Apr 10 16:51:25 <leviathan> thrashold: dunno
Apr 10 16:51:27 <mickeyl> no problem, i'm glad you're working on it
Apr 10 16:51:34 <leviathan> would need to check if ubifs is supported
Apr 10 16:51:41 <leviathan> perhaps... its wort a shot
Apr 10 16:51:43 <mickeyl> jffs2 is _slow_
Apr 10 16:51:48 <leviathan> ok
Apr 10 16:52:01 <mickeyl> yaffs2 lacks the compression, agreed, but it's way faster
Apr 10 16:52:02 <leviathan> I'll try to build an ubifs image
Apr 10 16:52:09 <leviathan> hmm
Apr 10 16:52:09 <mickeyl> i do not have any experience with ubifs, some praise it
Apr 10 16:52:16 <mickeyl> worth a shot
Apr 10 16:52:16 <leviathan> ok
Apr 10 16:53:10 <GNUtoo> indeed ubifs is great,a bit experimental tough
Apr 10 16:53:13 <GNUtoo> there is a howto about it
Apr 10 16:53:17 <GNUtoo> which is nice
Apr 10 16:53:19 <mrmoku> TAsn: ping
Apr 10 16:53:25 <GNUtoo> so you'll get good ubinize params
Apr 10 16:54:04 <leviathan> GNUtoo: can you please give me a link to this howto?
Apr 10 16:54:26 <GNUtoo> leviathan, don't remember but here are some links:
Apr 10 16:54:35 <GNUtoo> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Ubifs
Apr 10 16:54:50 <GNUtoo> http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html
Apr 10 16:55:57 <leviathan> ok
Apr 10 16:56:28 <GNUtoo> leviathan, and the howto doesn't seem inside theses links
Apr 10 16:56:42 <GNUtoo> if I remember well it told to do things with dmesgh
Apr 10 16:56:46 <GNUtoo> to find good params
Apr 10 16:56:53 <leviathan> hmm, ok
Apr 10 16:57:14 <leviathan> I'll try to flash the filesystem into internal memory like that
Apr 10 16:57:19 <leviathan> hope it will work
Apr 10 16:57:19 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 17:10:26 <leviathan> ok
Apr 10 17:10:36 <leviathan> ubifsbuilding is somewhat broken
Apr 10 17:10:42 <leviathan> seems to need some hacking
Apr 10 17:10:53 <leviathan> somehow everything is broken a bit
Apr 10 17:10:55 <leviathan> >_<
Apr 10 17:10:59 <leviathan> anyway
Apr 10 17:11:01 <leviathan> smoking
Apr 10 17:15:47 <CIA-75> SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui * r9b08781fd620 10/ (TODO src/phoneui-utils.c): Fixed Folder->Source when indicating a messae is an SMS.
Apr 10 17:19:35 <leviathan> GNUtoo: shr-lite-eglibc-ipk--20100410-htcdream.rootfs.ubi does not get created somehow
Apr 10 17:19:57 <GNUtoo> leviathan, ok I'm busy with wifi
Apr 10 17:20:02 <leviathan> kk
Apr 10 17:31:13 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, strange: same defconfig,oe kenrel works but not my local one,different git hash tough
Apr 10 17:36:08 <mickeyl> works meaning what exactly?
Apr 10 17:37:15 <Weiss> does anyone else get major FS instability with UBIFS?
Apr 10 17:37:37 <Weiss> I can't use it on my development FR at all, because any unclean shutdown immediately corrupts the filesystem
Apr 10 17:38:09 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, load firmware
Apr 10 17:38:23 <GNUtoo> s/load/request
Apr 10 17:38:27 <mickeyl> ah, firmware. 
Apr 10 17:38:42 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, yes I've issues with that,should I try to fix it?
Apr 10 17:39:04 <mickeyl> i never had any issues, what kind of issues do you have?
Apr 10 17:39:05 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, if it doesn't load the 2 frmwares it blocks ifconfig
Apr 10 17:39:11 <mickeyl> that's normal
Apr 10 17:39:16 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 17:39:17 <mickeyl> it waits for the firmware loader timeout
Apr 10 17:39:20 <GNUtoo> no
Apr 10 17:39:20 <mickeyl> you can configure that timeout
Apr 10 17:39:30 <mickeyl> 60 seconds by default
Apr 10 17:39:34 <GNUtoo> it doesn't even request the firmware under certain conditions
Apr 10 17:39:36 <GNUtoo> I know
Apr 10 17:39:41 <mickeyl> this problem i never had
Apr 10 17:39:44 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 17:39:48 <mickeyl> it always requested the firmware for me 
Apr 10 17:39:54 <mickeyl> very strange that we have so many differences
Apr 10 17:39:58 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, even with udev?
Apr 10 17:39:59 <mickeyl> perhaps you have newer firmware
Apr 10 17:40:07 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, that's because I don't build kenrel with oe
Apr 10 17:40:18 <GNUtoo> maybe cmdline then
Apr 10 17:40:38 <mickeyl> wifi requesting the firmware should be completely independent from userland
Apr 10 17:40:49 <mickeyl> the kernel has no idea whether someone is present to listen for his request or not
Apr 10 17:41:01 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, same rootfs
Apr 10 17:41:02 <mickeyl> that's why i'm very confused why udev vs. fsodeviced should make any difference
Apr 10 17:41:52 <mickeyl> why don't you just build it with OE and not care about the problems in manual build? :)
Apr 10 17:41:54 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, ok I really don't have the same issues than you have
Apr 10 17:42:08 <mickeyl> perhaps your modem firmware is newer
Apr 10 17:42:11 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, because you told me you had an issue,so I tried to reproduce it
Apr 10 17:42:14 <mickeyl> i have the very oldest here
Apr 10 17:42:28 <mickeyl> the only issue i have with wifi is the crash/hang
Apr 10 17:42:30 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, could be,I don't remember the AT command for checking that
Apr 10 17:42:42 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, yes I don't have this issue
Apr 10 17:42:47 <mickeyl> you don't have that?
Apr 10 17:42:52 <mickeyl> *sigh*
Apr 10 17:42:55 <mickeyl> that's bad
Apr 10 17:42:58 <mickeyl> then you can't reproduce
Apr 10 17:43:08 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, ifconfig wlan0 down works for me
Apr 10 17:43:09 <mickeyl> then I'm doomed
Apr 10 17:43:13 <GNUtoo> when wlan0 works
Apr 10 17:43:34 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, that's why I put all that energy tracking the problem
Apr 10 17:43:39 <mickeyl> right
Apr 10 17:43:41 <mickeyl> and that's cool
Apr 10 17:43:44 <mickeyl> but firmware loading is not it
Apr 10 17:44:01 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, does your firmware load corectly at 100%
Apr 10 17:44:06 <mickeyl> yes, always
Apr 10 17:44:12 <GNUtoo> that is to say calibration and firmware are ok
Apr 10 17:44:18 <mickeyl> yes, provided these are ok
Apr 10 17:44:19 <GNUtoo> and you can have reliable wifi
Apr 10 17:44:22 <mickeyl> perhaps i should try your calibration
Apr 10 17:44:27 <mickeyl> and firmware
Apr 10 17:44:35 <mickeyl> we should at least diff it
Apr 10 17:44:36 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, I'll md5sum them
Apr 10 17:44:44 <mickeyl> right
Apr 10 17:45:08 <GNUtoo> 7be50ef3cafa7f948b1065e3b2dc0e7c  wl1251-fw.bin
Apr 10 17:45:10 <mickeyl> 7be50ef3cafa7f948b1065e3b2dc0e7c
Apr 10 17:45:18 <mickeyl> the very same
Apr 10 17:45:45 <GNUtoo> maybe your calibration is wrong?
Apr 10 17:45:49 <mickeyl> possible
Apr 10 17:45:50 <mickeyl> let me try yours
Apr 10 17:45:53 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 17:45:59 <GNUtoo> how do I send it? my website
Apr 10 17:46:03 <mickeyl> yeah
Apr 10 17:46:08 <mickeyl> let me download from somewhere
Apr 10 17:46:11 <GNUtoo> ok but it's device specific
Apr 10 17:46:14 <mickeyl> i know
Apr 10 17:46:18 <mickeyl> but it's not much of a difference
Apr 10 17:46:22 <GNUtoo> it's not copyrighted anyway
Apr 10 17:46:22 <mickeyl> i know quite a bit about WiFi
Apr 10 17:46:29 <mickeyl> the only difference is likely
Apr 10 17:46:30 <GNUtoo> not unlike the firmware
Apr 10 17:46:31 <mickeyl> a) regulation
Apr 10 17:46:34 <mickeyl> b) MaC
Apr 10 17:46:44 <GNUtoo> by mac you mean? mac address changes
Apr 10 17:46:49 <mickeyl> yes
Apr 10 17:46:58 <GNUtoo> for me it doesn't anymore:
Apr 10 17:47:12 <mickeyl> medium access control
Apr 10 17:47:16 <mickeyl> so, mac address
Apr 10 17:47:16 <GNUtoo> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:1f:df:*", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="wlan*", NAME="wlan0"
Apr 10 17:47:17 <GNUtoo> I know
Apr 10 17:47:27 <GNUtoo> I took network courses
Apr 10 17:47:36 <mickeyl> the nvs driver or so should take care of that
Apr 10 17:47:39 <mickeyl> perhaps it's not active
Apr 10 17:47:53 <GNUtoo> it's in arch msm
Apr 10 17:48:11 <mrmoku> TAsn: with that missing b added it works :D
Apr 10 17:48:13 <GNUtoo> note the star in ATTR{address}=="00:1f:df:*"
Apr 10 17:48:28 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, dmesg?
Apr 10 17:48:49 <mickeyl> for the crash?
Apr 10 17:48:58 <GNUtoo> loading and crash
Apr 10 17:49:13 <mickeyl> hmm, ok, need to reboot afterwards, but ok
Apr 10 17:51:29 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, http://gnutoo.homelinux.org/android/wl1251-nvs.bin 
Apr 10 17:51:34 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, also send me yours
Apr 10 17:52:58 <mickeyl> uh oh, now i broke it completely
Apr 10 17:53:07 <mickeyl> Apr 10 18:50:58 htcdream user.err kernel: [ 2072.583282] wl1251: ERROR unsupported chip id: 0xc6981130
Apr 10 17:53:09 <mickeyl> fun
Apr 10 17:53:11 <GNUtoo> ouch
Apr 10 17:53:14 <mickeyl> and dinner is ready
Apr 10 17:53:18 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 17:53:22 <mickeyl> need to continue afterwards
Apr 10 17:53:27 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 17:53:30 <GNUtoo> I should also eat
Apr 10 17:53:30 <mickeyl> and jump back to a known good rev
Apr 10 17:53:39 <GNUtoo> or fix things
Apr 10 17:54:07 <mickeyl> ah, i know
Apr 10 17:54:12 <mickeyl> this is a defconfig without wakelocks
Apr 10 17:54:20 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 17:54:29 <mickeyl> i'll reenable them again and then you get the dmesg
Apr 10 17:54:31 <mickeyl> bbl
Apr 10 17:54:33 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 17:54:35 <GNUtoo> bye
Apr 10 18:03:36 <leviathan> GNUtoo: whats the state about wifi?
Apr 10 18:06:19 <leviathan> GNUtoo: could you take a look onto ubifs generation by time?
Apr 10 18:06:37 <leviathan> would be nice to have illume in internal memory on monday morning
Apr 10 18:06:46 <leviathan> when I have to travel by bus into my university
Apr 10 18:06:56 <leviathan> so that I can use inton on dream
Apr 10 18:07:12 <leviathan> because my freerunner headset definitly is gone for now
Apr 10 18:07:14 <leviathan> :(
Apr 10 18:07:16 <leviathan> felt apart
Apr 10 18:07:54 <GNUtoo> leviathan, I've wifi+msm_fb already
Apr 10 18:08:04 <leviathan> ohh
Apr 10 18:08:10 <leviathan> whats the state of it
Apr 10 18:08:13 <leviathan> can I help?
Apr 10 18:08:20 <leviathan> btw, I've got a good friend
Apr 10 18:08:24 <GNUtoo> I could look at it but then I would start something new and never finish
Apr 10 18:08:32 <leviathan> who wants to join us in our war against the bugs;-)
Apr 10 18:08:41 <GNUtoo> I can't continue starting something and never finish everything
Apr 10 18:08:42 <leviathan> ok
Apr 10 18:08:55 <leviathan> I'll tell him to come here
Apr 10 18:09:06 <leviathan> then he can help you and me
Apr 10 18:09:07 <leviathan> mom
Apr 10 18:09:11 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 18:09:13 <GNUtoo> nice
Apr 10 18:09:24 <GNUtoo> btw I've a problematic question
Apr 10 18:09:32 <GNUtoo> can htcdream still be found on the market?
Apr 10 18:09:38 <leviathan> ohh
Apr 10 18:09:39 <leviathan> mom
Apr 10 18:09:44 <GNUtoo> mine works fine
Apr 10 18:09:57 <GNUtoo> but someone is looking for a phone capable of running free apps
Apr 10 18:10:15 <GNUtoo> unfortunately here free means price
Apr 10 18:12:16 <GNUtoo> I know only 2 phones capable of that
Apr 10 18:12:23 <GNUtoo> that I can propose
Apr 10 18:12:25 <GNUtoo> htcdream
Apr 10 18:12:27 <GNUtoo> and n900
Apr 10 18:12:31 <GNUtoo> but n900 isn't cheap
Apr 10 18:12:51 <GNUtoo> freerunner is also a possibilitiy but because of hardware issue I hesitate of proposing it
Apr 10 18:12:55 <GNUtoo> also it's slow
Apr 10 18:13:33 <leviathan> GNUtoo: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532835
Apr 10 18:13:54 <GNUtoo> ok thanks
Apr 10 18:15:17 <leviathan> np
Apr 10 18:16:14 <mrmoku> radekp: do you have working LEDs and vibrator with your patches?
Apr 10 18:22:45 <GNUtoo> maybe cmdline
Apr 10 18:23:02 <GNUtoo> [  131.455322] wl1251_sdio mmc0:0001:1: firmware: requesting wl1251-fw.bin
Apr 10 18:23:15 <GNUtoo> or maybe the crash that I removed
Apr 10 18:23:24 <GNUtoo> that prevented it to continue working properly
Apr 10 18:24:06 <radekp> mrmoku: i havent worked on it yet
Apr 10 18:24:35 <mrmoku> ah ok :)
Apr 10 18:25:24 <khiraly> mickeyl: btw, is there anything new on palm phone regarding fso? Or will fso be working on another phone soonish? (like on n900 with using some propriatery drivers)
Apr 10 18:26:05 <playya_> khiraly, no. we're working on the pre
Apr 10 18:26:35 <GNUtoo> khiraly, I was told that n900's kernel driver were free,so simply modify the kernel to do reverse-engineering ,but maybe you'll be alone on that,else:
Apr 10 18:26:45 <playya_> wtf. g1 still costs 380€?
Apr 10 18:26:46 <GNUtoo> for pre the modem has huge progress
Apr 10 18:26:55 <GNUtoo> but not the touchscreen
Apr 10 18:27:10 <khiraly> playya_: I have checked the fso website, but there are no news on it. Can you (or somebody else) shed some light here?
Apr 10 18:27:10 <GNUtoo> for g1 wait a bit and you'll have something working
Apr 10 18:27:14 <khiraly> some short status update
Apr 10 18:27:20 <GNUtoo> http://www.htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Dream
Apr 10 18:27:44 <playya_> GNUtoo, we're using some pre damons/libs until we understand all the protocols
Apr 10 18:28:25 <playya_> khiraly,   http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre:_Jan_2010_-_%3F
Apr 10 18:29:24 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 18:29:32 <GNUtoo> playya_, what about touchscreen,no progress?
Apr 10 18:29:36 <playya_> khiraly, most of the modem parts are known, at least to do calls/sms. ATM I'm working on small linux as a bootloader, so you can install fso side by side
Apr 10 18:30:18 <playya_> GNUtoo, atm only over palm's hidd
Apr 10 18:30:25 <GNUtoo> ah ok
Apr 10 18:30:50 <playya_> but i think it should be that hard, at least without multitouch
Apr 10 18:30:59 <GNUtoo> is there a plan for reverse-engineering it at some point?
Apr 10 18:31:05 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 18:31:25 <playya_> reverse engineering is illegal
Apr 10 18:31:41 <GNUtoo> depend on what you call reverse engineering
Apr 10 18:31:51 <GNUtoo> and on how it's done
Apr 10 18:32:20 <playya_> on thing would be audio, which uses a completely different approach then ALSA
Apr 10 18:33:00 <GNUtoo> with pulseaudio?
Apr 10 18:37:12 <mickeyl> khiraly: palm pre and htcdream are this year's targets. the n900 might be a target, if we got one or two donated, but then again, too many construction sites makes us not finishing anything
Apr 10 18:38:03 <khiraly> just Im pondering with the idea what to buy
Apr 10 18:38:14 <khiraly> and n900 has a really beautiful hardver
Apr 10 18:38:21 <khiraly> hardware
Apr 10 18:41:30 <playya_> mickeyl, someone with a n900 started working on the n900
Apr 10 18:41:56 <playya_> khiraly, the motorola milestone,too. but it has a signed bootloader :/
Apr 10 18:42:02 <playya_> motorola sux
Apr 10 18:42:48 <GNUtoo> playya_, btw I bet you can only buy a palm pre online,or in germany or in USA
Apr 10 18:43:12 <playya_> i know that it's not available in italy
Apr 10 18:43:17 <GNUtoo> playya_, wow is the bootloader uttility his work?
Apr 10 18:43:43 <playya_> which device are you talking about?
Apr 10 18:44:41 <[Rui]> khiraly: beautiful hardware locked under proprietary drivers. drop them and it's suddenly even less beautiful than the Freerunner :)
Apr 10 18:45:42 <khiraly> palm pre (As a company) is definietly a dead-end. It has no momentum
Apr 10 18:46:12 <mickeyl> GNUtoo: here we are
Apr 10 18:46:13 <mickeyl> http://pastie.org/913206
Apr 10 18:46:29 <mickeyl> i
Apr 10 18:46:29 <mickeyl> Apr 10 19:42:40 fconfig wlan0 up 
Apr 10 18:46:45 <mickeyl> Apr 10 19:42:41  ifconfig wlan0 down
Apr 10 18:46:56 <mickeyl> no, sorry
Apr 10 18:46:57 <mickeyl> that's wrong
Apr 10 18:46:59 <mickeyl> down was later
Apr 10 18:47:20 <mickeyl> Apr 10 19:43:09 down
Apr 10 18:49:06 <mickeyl> hmm, and something is still broken with msmfb as well
Apr 10 18:49:19 <mickeyl> if i add zhone2 start into an initscript it doesn't change the terminals
Apr 10 18:50:04 <mickeyl> we really need to get rid of fbcon and the refresh thread :/
Apr 10 18:50:15 <mickeyl> ~seen raster
Apr 10 18:50:20 <apt> raster <~raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1d 19h 33m 44s ago, saying: 'meh'.
Apr 10 18:51:30 <mickeyl> http://pastie.org/913206 shows that the panel is initialized _after_ zhone2 start :/
Apr 10 18:51:40 <mickeyl> only when i actually login on fbcon
Apr 10 18:51:55 <mickeyl> i used your calibration data btw.
Apr 10 18:51:59 <mickeyl> so that's not it
Apr 10 18:54:30 <mickeyl> why is that stack trace not with symbols?
Apr 10 19:00:05 <GNUtoo> playya_, mickeyl back
Apr 10 19:01:20 <mickeyl> ok, please see log
Apr 10 19:01:51 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 19:02:03 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, for msmfb I'll fix it
Apr 10 19:02:59 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, what's c0156fa4
Apr 10 19:03:02 <GNUtoo> could you look?
Apr 10 19:03:07 <mickeyl> how?
Apr 10 19:03:12 <GNUtoo> addr2line
Apr 10 19:03:25 <mickeyl> why don't we have proper symbols here?
Apr 10 19:03:26 <GNUtoo> I'll show you,one sec
Apr 10 19:03:39 <GNUtoo> maybe bad config
Apr 10 19:03:42 <GNUtoo> I'll look
Apr 10 19:04:48 <GNUtoo> bitbake devshell,source it then:
Apr 10 19:04:49 <GNUtoo> arm-none-linux-gnueabi-addr2line -f -e ./vmlinux c0156fa4
Apr 10 19:05:06 <GNUtoo> of course replace arm-none-linux-gnueabi-addr2line by the oe one
Apr 10 19:05:21 <GNUtoo> like arm-oe-linux-addr2line or something like that
Apr 10 19:06:42 <mickeyl> __memzero
Apr 10 19:06:42 <mickeyl> klist.c:0
Apr 10 19:08:08 <GNUtoo> ouch
Apr 10 19:08:08 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 19:08:30 <GNUtoo> look if you have debug symbols
Apr 10 19:08:36 <GNUtoo> in make ARCH=arm xconfig
Apr 10 19:09:23 <mickeyl> no X here, but ok
Apr 10 19:09:37 <mickeyl> menuconfig i have
Apr 10 19:10:28 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 19:10:31 <GNUtoo> go in kernel hacking
Apr 10 19:10:40 <GNUtoo> enable kenrel debugging
Apr 10 19:11:02 <GNUtoo> wait a sec
Apr 10 19:11:50 <GNUtoo> then add Compile the kernel with debug info (DEBUG_INFO)
Apr 10 19:12:46 <khiraly> can somebody give me a hand?
Apr 10 19:12:49 <khiraly> echo "1" > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode echo "host" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode 
Apr 10 19:13:05 <khiraly> I cant find /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0
Apr 10 19:13:35 <khiraly> I have only: neo1973-memconfig.0, neo1973-version.0
Apr 10 19:14:06 <khiraly> Im reading this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Arduino
Apr 10 19:15:33 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, then it'll recompile from scratch
Apr 10 19:16:22 <khiraly> I cant switch to usb host mode my freerunner
Apr 10 19:16:24 <khiraly> is there a way?
Apr 10 19:16:40 <GNUtoo> khiraly, maybe  using fso or shr-settings
Apr 10 19:17:37 <khiraly> shr-settings works, the question how it does it
Apr 10 19:17:52 <GNUtoo> khiraly, it uses fso which write to some sys nodes
Apr 10 19:21:51 <khiraly> hmm
Apr 10 19:22:05 <khiraly> can I charge the same time when the device is at the usb host mode?
Apr 10 19:22:59 <khiraly> seems like it does not charge
Apr 10 19:23:02 <khiraly> or am I wrong?
Apr 10 19:23:34 <GNUtoo> don't know
Apr 10 19:23:51 <GNUtoo> maybe when people will be back from eating they'll know
Apr 10 19:24:38 <khiraly> seems like it does not work
Apr 10 19:25:45 <khiraly> if I cahnge back to usb device mode, it charges, and my arduino does not communicate
Apr 10 19:26:26 <mickeyl> booting...
Apr 10 19:26:32 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03tom 07framework * rf59b47c06613 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (TODO pimd_messages.py): Added fsogsmd support for IncomingTextMessage
Apr 10 19:26:35 <CIA-75> freesmartphone.org: 03tom 07framework * r6b297a8a3528 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: fixed a typo from the last commit
Apr 10 19:26:49 <mickeyl> you need an Y cable if you want to charge at the same time
Apr 10 19:26:49 <khiraly> if I change host mode again, the arduino communicates, but it does not charge anymore
Apr 10 19:26:55 <mickeyl> check the OM wiki
Apr 10 19:26:55 <khiraly> I have Y cable
Apr 10 19:26:59 <khiraly> which page?
Apr 10 19:27:06 <khiraly> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Arduino
Apr 10 19:27:18 <mickeyl> you need to force it to enable charging
Apr 10 19:27:21 <mickeyl> as it won't enumerate
Apr 10 19:27:23 <khiraly> ^^ I have read this one, but could not switch to host<->device, only through settings
Apr 10 19:27:25 <mickeyl> do that by sysfs
Apr 10 19:27:42 <khiraly> s/settings/shr-settings
Apr 10 19:28:29 <TAsn> mickeyl, mrmoku: how usable is fsogsmd?
Apr 10 19:28:34 <TAsn> what's missing and what's there?
Apr 10 19:28:52 <khiraly> I have a usb B male -> USB A male, Usb A female <-> usb a female, usb Y cable to the charger and to the openmoko
Apr 10 19:29:21 <mrmoku> TAsn: getting more perfect every day :)
Apr 10 19:29:31 <vanous123> khiraly: i used to be using 3G dongle with moko, this was before there was fso usb host support
Apr 10 19:29:33 <TAsn> mrmoku, for real, what's the pros/cons?
Apr 10 19:29:36 <mrmoku> I'm missing ringtone on incoming calls
Apr 10 19:29:55 <mrmoku> that might just be an oventsd/fsogsmd issue
Apr 10 19:30:00 <mrmoku> (incoming != INCOMING)
Apr 10 19:30:04 <TAsn> that's probably an oevents issue.
Apr 10 19:30:12 <khiraly> vanous123: I dont have the sysfs nodes, what is on the Arduino page
Apr 10 19:30:12 <TAsn> what else?
Apr 10 19:30:18 <khiraly> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Arduino
Apr 10 19:30:21 <khiraly> echo "1" > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode
Apr 10 19:30:25 <mrmoku> calls work... messages work
Apr 10 19:30:27 <khiraly> I dont have that file 
Apr 10 19:30:29 <mrmoku> did not try GPRS
Apr 10 19:30:33 <lindi-> khiraly: /sys paths change all the time
Apr 10 19:31:15 <vanous123> mrmoku: how do you enable fsogsmd?
Apr 10 19:31:24 <lindi-> khiraly: you can use "om usb mode host" so that you don't need to know the /sys name
Apr 10 19:31:28 <vanous123> disable ogsmd in frameworkd conf
Apr 10 19:31:33 <vanous123> run fsogsmd?
Apr 10 19:31:41 <mrmoku> vanous123: add disable=1 to ogsmd section in frameworkd.conf
Apr 10 19:31:51 <vanous123> mrmoku: yes
Apr 10 19:31:52 <mrmoku> and then I add it to the initscript of fsodceviced
Apr 10 19:32:00 <mrmoku> ahh...
Apr 10 19:32:07 <mrmoku> one thing is left too
Apr 10 19:32:21 <mrmoku> I have to set DEBUG for libgsm07... in fsogsmd.conf
Apr 10 19:32:25 <mrmoku> otherwise it won't work
Apr 10 19:32:33 <vanous123> i see 
Apr 10 19:32:36 <vanous123> this might be it
Apr 10 19:32:40 <vanous123> as it didn't work for me
Apr 10 19:32:41 <mrmoku> vanous123: and then you need phonefsod which is fsogsmd aware
Apr 10 19:32:48 <vanous123> ehm
Apr 10 19:32:51 <vanous123> :)
Apr 10 19:32:57 <khiraly> lindi-: I dont have 'om', I am on shr unstable from december
Apr 10 19:33:17 <khiraly> it is still 2.6.29-rc3
Apr 10 19:33:28 <vanous123> unstable being unstable.... why don$t we move on, onto fsogsmd?
Apr 10 19:33:33 <mrmoku> :)
Apr 10 19:33:40 <playya_> mrmoku, any bugs left in libfso-glib?
Apr 10 19:33:48 <mrmoku> playya_: for now... no
Apr 10 19:33:54 <GNUtoo> mrmoku, was the howto helpfull?
Apr 10 19:33:57 <lindi-> khiraly: source is at  http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/omhacks.git;a=summary
Apr 10 19:34:06 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: not yet, as the thing was no segfault
Apr 10 19:34:12 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 19:34:20 <GNUtoo> so the thing is solved now?
Apr 10 19:34:25 <mrmoku> GNUtoo: and I found it by running the stuff on my laptop where glib seems to be more verbose
Apr 10 19:34:29 <khiraly> lindi-: I still need to digg out the sysfs path, because I dont want to upgrade, as it is working, and I need this until tomorrow
Apr 10 19:34:30 <khiraly> ;-)
Apr 10 19:34:32 <GNUtoo> ah ok nice
Apr 10 19:34:37 <khiraly> lindi-: Im checking
Apr 10 19:34:37 <GNUtoo> thanks a lot for your work
Apr 10 19:34:45 <TAsn> mrmoku, did you finish complete libphone-ui/ui-shr/phonefsod/whatever change?
Apr 10 19:35:00 <vanous123> mrmoku: is there a repo with fsogsmd aware phonefsod ?
Apr 10 19:35:01 <mrmoku> TAsn: still some stuff to debug and other stuff to test
Apr 10 19:35:06 <mrmoku> but basically it is working, yes
Apr 10 19:35:18 <mrmoku> vanous123: it is in a branch
Apr 10 19:35:21 <mrmoku> are you building yourself?
Apr 10 19:35:32 <vanous123> mrmoku: shr never compiles on me
Apr 10 19:35:37 <mrmoku> :/
Apr 10 19:35:41 <vanous123> :/
Apr 10 19:35:45 <lindi-> khiraly: having every user track the changes of /sys is not fun :)
Apr 10 19:35:55 <TAsn> mrmoku, sounds super sweet though, so please let me know :P
Apr 10 19:35:56 <mrmoku> I can put some package somehwere...
Apr 10 19:36:08 <khiraly> lindi-: I just want to find it in this version
Apr 10 19:36:16 <vanous123> mrmoku: that would be great
Apr 10 19:36:21 <vanous123> i would love to test
Apr 10 19:36:45 <vanous123> i get framework crash on me every day, the trouble is that you never know when it happened...
Apr 10 19:36:56 <mrmoku> ok
Apr 10 19:37:05 <khiraly> hmm
Apr 10 19:37:13 <vanous123> ussually in the worst places, like being stuck in a car in front of a closed gate :) etc... :))
Apr 10 19:37:18 <mrmoku> vanous123: will do in a bit and ping you
Apr 10 19:37:29 <vanous123> mrmoku: appreciated here
Apr 10 19:38:20 <khiraly> lindi-: hmm, I only want to find the correspondant file or this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Arduino
Apr 10 19:38:20 <khiraly> ;-)
Apr 10 19:38:56 <lindi-> khiraly: why not just install omhacks?
Apr 10 19:39:15 <khiraly> lindi-: because my shr-unstable is outdated
Apr 10 19:39:33 <mickeyl> GNUtoo: no change
Apr 10 19:39:34 <mickeyl> http://pastebin.com/XLvcLaYt
Apr 10 19:40:33 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, maybe I fix msmfb then wifi ?
Apr 10 19:41:00 <mickeyl> ok
Apr 10 19:41:10 <mickeyl> with a fixed msmfb i could perhaps launch right into zhone2 from boot
Apr 10 19:41:11 <GNUtoo> also are you shure it's a kernel trace
Apr 10 19:41:12 <GNUtoo> ?
Apr 10 19:41:12 <mickeyl> right now this doesn't work
Apr 10 19:41:19 <GNUtoo> not an userspace trace made by the kernel?
Apr 10 19:41:57 <mickeyl> well
Apr 10 19:42:02 <mickeyl> ifconfig SIGSEGV
Apr 10 19:42:03 <mickeyl> aes
Apr 10 19:42:04 <mickeyl> yes
Apr 10 19:42:05 <mickeyl> but
Apr 10 19:42:08 <mickeyl> Apr 10 20:38:03 htcdream user.alert kernel: [  111.221160] Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000
Apr 10 19:42:13 <mickeyl> sounds clearly like a kernel OOPS
Apr 10 19:42:15 <mickeyl> also
Apr 10 19:42:24 <mickeyl> Apr 10 20:38:03 htcdream user.emerg kernel: [  111.221557] Internal error: Oops: 817 [#1] PREEMPT
Apr 10 19:42:34 <mickeyl> sounds pretty much like a kernel problem :)
Apr 10 19:43:27 <mickeyl> ok, battery removal time again
Apr 10 19:43:55 <mickeyl> this hardware is slowly pissing me off
Apr 10 19:44:02 <mickeyl> slowly, but steady
Apr 10 19:44:10 <mickeyl> need to take a break
Apr 10 19:44:11 <mickeyl> l8er
Apr 10 19:44:38 <tim_abell> bitbake takes soooooooo long on my pc :(
Apr 10 19:46:18 <leviathan> GNUtoo: ok, whats the state of wifi?
Apr 10 19:46:37 <leviathan> as I understood its the case that we have some failing firmware loading
Apr 10 19:46:38 <GNUtoo> sigh
Apr 10 19:46:47 <GNUtoo> If I try to do everything at once
Apr 10 19:46:58 <GNUtoo> at the end nothing advance
Apr 10 19:47:01 <leviathan> ok, on what you are now
Apr 10 19:47:03 <GNUtoo> and we lloose
Apr 10 19:47:07 <GNUtoo> fb
Apr 10 19:47:10 <leviathan> ok
Apr 10 19:47:17 <GNUtoo> let me fix that at least
Apr 10 19:47:17 <leviathan> and whats the problem there?
Apr 10 19:47:22 <GNUtoo> an oops
Apr 10 19:47:25 <leviathan> ok
Apr 10 19:47:48 <leviathan> is there a log?
Apr 10 19:52:26 <GNUtoo> there is a line number
Apr 10 19:52:28 <GNUtoo> mutex
Apr 10 19:52:39 <GNUtoo> let me fix it
Apr 10 19:57:50 <leviathan> JaMa: do you have knowledge about configuring OE to build ubifs?
Apr 10 19:58:17 <leviathan> JaMa: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Ubifs
Apr 10 19:58:23 <leviathan> is from you
Apr 10 19:58:56 <leviathan> (Written by Martin JaMa Jansa [1]) 
Apr 10 19:59:18 <leviathan> I have the problem, that bitbake doesnt generate *.ubi-files
Apr 10 19:59:27 <leviathan> theyre missing
Apr 10 20:07:04 <Heinervdm> leviathan: have you added ubifs to IMAGE_FSTYPES ?
Apr 10 20:07:14 <leviathan> yes
Apr 10 20:09:34 <leviathan> its really strange
Apr 10 20:09:39 <leviathan> basically it just should do it
Apr 10 20:09:42 <leviathan> shouldnt it?
Apr 10 20:10:59 <Heinervdm> yes
Apr 10 20:11:38 <leviathan> well I do htcdream
Apr 10 20:11:46 <leviathan> perhaps its something machine specific??
Apr 10 20:15:02 <Heinervdm> hmm, perhaps one has to add it to mashine features or sth like that
Apr 10 20:17:35 <GNUtoo>         panel->suspend(panel); creates a NULL PC
Apr 10 20:18:20 <tim_abell> compiling for shr is hard :(
Apr 10 20:18:31 <dos1> JaMa: i just pushed patches into packagekit repo
Apr 10 20:19:04 <dos1> JaMa: but it will arrive in anongit later, when sync will happen
Apr 10 20:19:18 <GNUtoo> in msmfb_suspend
Apr 10 20:21:52 <tim_abell> is there any way i can get to the point where the app i'm trying to build fails in under 8 mins? (short of finding a faster pc!)
Apr 10 20:22:08 <tim_abell> bitbake -c build omnewrotate
Apr 10 20:22:55 <GNUtoo> tim_abell, cd oetmp/work/armv4-something/omnewrotate-someversion/temp
Apr 10 20:23:05 <GNUtoo> tim_abell, you'll find run_do_compile
Apr 10 20:23:12 <mrmoku> vanous123: do you use a PIN?
Apr 10 20:23:18 <vanous123> mrmoku: no
Apr 10 20:23:20 <tim_abell> birll, ta GNUtoo 
Apr 10 20:23:21 <mrmoku> good :P
Apr 10 20:23:27 <vanous123> :)
Apr 10 20:23:30 <mrmoku> still fixing some stuff...
Apr 10 20:23:36 <GNUtoo> ?
Apr 10 20:25:12 <tim_abell> brill[iant]
Apr 10 20:25:29 <leviathan> dos1: are this patches concerning ubifs?
Apr 10 20:25:44 <dos1> leviathan: packagekit and ubifs? :o
Apr 10 20:25:50 <leviathan> hmm
Apr 10 20:25:52 <leviathan> oops
Apr 10 20:25:56 <dos1> leviathan: that would be quite strange ;)
Apr 10 20:26:18 <leviathan> dos1: do you have an idea, why bitbake refuses to build ubifs images?
Apr 10 20:26:30 <leviathan> it creates ubinize.cfg
Apr 10 20:26:46 <leviathan> but the symbolic link has a death end
Apr 10 20:30:17 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 10 20:36:41 <vanous123> mrmoku: do you just add fsogsmd into /etc/init.d/fsodeviced or somewhere into /etc/freesmartphone/conf/GTA02/fsodeviced.conf?
Apr 10 20:37:13 <mrmoku> vanous123: just in /etc/init.d/fsodeviced... but I will upload the initscript too
Apr 10 20:37:20 <vanous123> ok
Apr 10 20:37:23 <vanous123> will wait then
Apr 10 20:38:21 <GNUtoo> mickey_away, http://pastebin.com/EwZsD0vR
Apr 10 20:38:31 <GNUtoo> :( he's away
Apr 10 20:38:41 <GNUtoo> did someone touch to panel?
Apr 10 20:38:46 <mrmoku> vanous123: http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/fsogsmd/
Apr 10 20:38:53 <mrmoku> just the init script... rest to follow
Apr 10 20:42:34 <vanous123> mrmoku: ok
Apr 10 20:43:12 * mrmoku moving to wlan
Apr 10 20:43:27 <GNUtoo> [  223.579345] Internal error: Oops - undefined instruction: 0 [#1] PREEMPT
Apr 10 20:43:30 <GNUtoo> strange
Apr 10 20:43:42 <GNUtoo> compiler broken?
Apr 10 20:52:21 <leviathan> _seeker_: hi
Apr 10 20:52:30 <leviathan> so, following thing
Apr 10 20:54:05 <mrmoku> playya_: hmm... now I have a problem with libfso-glib :/
Apr 10 20:54:14 <mrmoku> don't get IdleNotifier signals anymore
Apr 10 20:54:18 <mrmoku> got them before though
Apr 10 20:54:30 <leviathan> _seeker_: ok
Apr 10 20:54:35 <leviathan> we have the following problem
Apr 10 20:54:47 <leviathan> we need to get ubifs running for flashing into internal memory
Apr 10 20:55:03 <leviathan> but bitbake is not very cooperative atm 
Apr 10 20:56:03 <playya_> mrmoku, strange
Apr 10 20:56:20 <_seeker_> hello leviathan
Apr 10 20:56:21 <playya_> rebuilt anything?
Apr 10 20:56:42 <leviathan> hi _seeker_
Apr 10 20:56:59 <leviathan> you have to see, its in my interest to get SHR flashed into internal memory
Apr 10 20:57:07 <leviathan> so that we can use sd-card for media
Apr 10 20:57:20 <leviathan> like, movies, music and pictures
Apr 10 20:57:27 <leviathan> do not forget, the cam
Apr 10 20:57:27 <playya_> porn
Apr 10 20:57:32 <leviathan> uhm
Apr 10 20:57:33 <leviathan> nope
Apr 10 20:57:49 <leviathan> I thought more about photographs of our blackboards
Apr 10 20:57:52 <leviathan> in the lecture
Apr 10 20:58:17 <leviathan> I do not watch pr0n on mobile devices out of home
Apr 10 20:58:19 <leviathan> ;-)
Apr 10 20:58:51 <leviathan> there are already a problem when our female professor puts off her pullover >_<
Apr 10 20:59:02 <leviathan> while lecture
Apr 10 20:59:10 <mrmoku> playya_: yeah, new vala-dbus-binding-tool and fso-glib
Apr 10 20:59:22 <leviathan> playya_: <-- was a joke
Apr 10 20:59:30 <leviathan> no I ONLY mean lecture shots
Apr 10 20:59:43 <leviathan> :P
Apr 10 21:00:56 <TAsn> JaMa, I'll need you to build something in a sec :)
Apr 10 21:00:59 <TAsn> Something good!
Apr 10 21:01:15 <playya_> i'm not up to date. have to rebuild it first
Apr 10 21:01:57 <mrmoku> ok
Apr 10 21:02:06 <leviathan> but seriously
Apr 10 21:02:22 <leviathan> does ANYONE have an idea, why ubifs doesnt build??
Apr 10 21:05:53 <mrmoku> playya_: the API says it gives me a 's', but I'm using FreeSmartphoneDeviceIdleState enum
Apr 10 21:06:09 <mrmoku> maybe that's the problem... though, I was using int before... just with own defines
Apr 10 21:06:18 <mrmoku> and it does not get called at all (the handler)
Apr 10 21:06:30 <tim_abell> i'm trying to write a quick n dirty package popularity app for shr. is there an api i should use for opkg or shall i just fire off a shell call and grab the output?
Apr 10 21:06:38 <mrmoku> and furthermore the translation from 's' to int works for Input signals
Apr 10 21:06:46 <mrmoku> to enum that is
Apr 10 21:07:14 <playya_> mrmoku, it should use string marschalling
Apr 10 21:09:36 <mrmoku> playya_: and I have to use free_smartphone_device_idle_state_from_string then?
Apr 10 21:09:43 <mrmoku> but it works for input events
Apr 10 21:10:03 <playya_> i never used the enums from C
Apr 10 21:10:06 <mrmoku> API says input event has ssi
Apr 10 21:10:10 <playya_> have to check the C code first
Apr 10 21:10:17 <mrmoku> and the second s (the state) get's translated to the enum
Apr 10 21:10:32 <mrmoku> meanwhile I try to use char *
Apr 10 21:11:00 <playya_> you cannot use ints at this position if you want to mix languages
Apr 10 21:14:35 <leviathan> _seeker_: Oh, it now has created something
Apr 10 21:14:40 <leviathan> lets see if its usable
Apr 10 21:14:41 <leviathan> ^^
Apr 10 21:17:47 <CIA-75> SHR: 03tom 07shr-themes * r1b6bd24e8284 10/e-wm/e-wm-config-illume2-shr/e.src: e-wm-config-illume2-shr: added right click toggle to topbar.
Apr 10 21:18:23 <TAsn> JaMa, e-wm-config-illume2-shr: 1b6bd24e828455f56c26b2f5cbbf2d16838cace8     and    shr-e-gadgets: c23dda5f81ed3c6d785617696fb009adb5594a55
Apr 10 21:18:26 <TAsn> JaMa, please build them.
Apr 10 21:19:01 <playya_> mrmoku, this piece of code tells me that is uses the enum
Apr 10 21:19:06 <playya_>    status = free_smartphone_device_idle_state_from_string (_tmp326_, NULL);
Apr 10 21:19:06 <playya_>         g_signal_emit_by_name (self, "state", status);
Apr 10 21:19:07 <GNUtoo> mickey_away, leviathan the bug is located here: panel->suspend(panel); in msmfb_suspend,panel->suspend is null
Apr 10 21:19:10 <GNUtoo> bye
Apr 10 21:21:03 <mrmoku> playya_: ok... then something else is wrong
Apr 10 21:21:23 <mrmoku> I see the signals with mdbus2... but my handler does not get called
Apr 10 21:21:53 <TAsn> mrmoku, jama is not here, mind building them for me?
Apr 10 21:22:53 <mrmoku> TAsn: ok
Apr 10 21:23:03 <mrmoku> they're autorev? just have to build?
Apr 10 21:23:16 <TAsn> I don't think they are autorev
Apr 10 21:23:18 <TAsn> plesae verify.
Apr 10 21:28:31 <mrmoku> TAsn: not autorev... what rev?
Apr 10 21:28:39 <mrmoku> ahh
Apr 10 21:28:40 <mrmoku> ok
Apr 10 21:28:45 <TAsn> :P
Apr 10 21:29:03 <TAsn> I added right click emulation :)
Apr 10 21:30:13 <mrmoku> nice
Apr 10 21:32:43 <vanous123> TAsn: huh, illume2 has gsm gadget, time to leave i2 :)
Apr 10 21:33:54 <TAsn> time to leave i1 you mean? :P
Apr 10 21:34:12 <vanous123> for me :)
Apr 10 21:34:28 <vanous123> and see if i get so many segfaults, hope not
Apr 10 21:36:26 <vanous123> TAsn: uff, yes, i1 i mean
Apr 10 21:36:38 <TAsn> give i2 a chance :P
Apr 10 21:36:39 <TAsn> It rules.
Apr 10 21:36:51 <mrmoku> nah... it _will_ rule :P
Apr 10 21:37:11 <TAsn> And I need more people to let me know about issues so I'll let the e guys know about them :)
Apr 10 21:37:20 <mrmoku> TAsn: one big annoyance with i2 for me is that often taps do not work to start some app
Apr 10 21:37:35 <TAsn> this sucks :P
Apr 10 21:37:45 <TAsn> Maybe tap delay is too big.
Apr 10 21:39:43 <mrmoku> TAsn: it is 50ms as default
Apr 10 21:39:51 <mrmoku> was trying the minimum too
Apr 10 21:39:53 <TAsn> a default set by me.
Apr 10 21:40:02 <TAsn> :P
Apr 10 21:40:09 <TAsn> (IIRC)
Apr 10 21:40:31 <mrmoku> you don't have problems?
Apr 10 21:40:38 <TAsn> I do.
Apr 10 21:40:48 <TAsn> well at least used to
Apr 10 21:44:23 <vanous123> TAsn: terminal has issues grabbing keyboard focus, reported already?
Apr 10 21:44:34 <TAsn> Yes
Apr 10 21:44:37 <TAsn> reported that to #e
Apr 10 21:44:38 <vanous123> ok
Apr 10 21:48:13 <mrmoku> TAsn: built and synced
Apr 10 21:48:18 <TAsn> yay, thanks.
Apr 10 21:48:33 <TAsn> if you need right click
Apr 10 21:48:44 <TAsn> you are more than welcomed to give it a go :P
Apr 10 21:49:07 <mrmoku> well... right now... no. But just in case... what would one have to do to right click?
Apr 10 21:49:52 <TAsn> opkg upgrade, rm -rf .e
Apr 10 21:50:25 <mrmoku> :P
Apr 10 21:50:31 <mrmoku> I mean how to do it then
Apr 10 21:50:41 <mrmoku> tap long?
Apr 10 21:50:45 <mrmoku> tripple tap?
Apr 10 21:50:51 <mrmoku> tap from the back?
Apr 10 21:51:05 <mrmoku> tap with two fingers?
Apr 10 21:51:17 <mrmoku> fist tap?
Apr 10 21:51:22 <TAsn> tap on the icon to switch to right click mode
Apr 10 21:51:28 <mrmoku> :P
Apr 10 21:51:52 <TAsn> tap anywhere on screen (current bug causes it to be tap anywhere in e17's applications)
Apr 10 21:51:57 <TAsn> to switch bag to left mode
Apr 10 21:52:21 <mrmoku> ok
Apr 10 21:53:42 <mrmoku> playya_: duh.. I know what's up
Apr 10 21:53:52 <playya_> hm?
Apr 10 21:54:04 <mrmoku> playya_: I switched to the FSO_ defines
Apr 10 21:54:26 <mrmoku> and FSO_FRAMEWORK_DEVICE_IdleNotifierServicePath is wrong
Apr 10 21:54:30 <playya_> to you old?
Apr 10 21:54:31 <mrmoku> as it is missing /09
Apr 10 21:54:33 <mrmoku> -9
Apr 10 21:56:17 <vanous123> TAsn: L/R workingok here
Apr 10 21:56:25 <TAsn> :P
Apr 10 21:56:27 <TAsn> great.
Apr 10 21:56:46 <TAsn> mrmoku, duh.
Apr 10 21:56:56 <TAsn> mrmoku, it's the path, you should specify the rel_path yourself.
Apr 10 21:57:10 <TAsn> FSO_FRAMEWORK_DEVICE_IdleNotifierServicePath "/0"
Apr 10 21:57:21 <TAsn> It can't possibly know if you want 0, 1 or whatever.
Apr 10 21:58:02 <vanous123> TAsn: got trapped in the shelve resize, but got out :)
Apr 10 21:58:18 <TAsn> hehe :P
Apr 10 21:58:21 <TAsn> How did you get out?
Apr 10 21:58:25 <tim_abell> my popularity contest app for the openmoko http://github.com/timabell/popularity
Apr 10 21:58:29 <tim_abell> lots of work left to do
Apr 10 21:59:00 <vanous123> not sure, trying again, still trapped for second time
Apr 10 21:59:08 <tim_abell> basically i want to know if anyone has podpooch installed, so thought shr could use a popularity contest like debian
Apr 10 21:59:15 <tim_abell> that just reports in installed packages
Apr 10 22:00:05 <mrmoku> playya_: yay, works
Apr 10 22:00:11 <mrmoku> sorry for the noise
Apr 10 22:00:18 <vanous123> TAsn: seems like tapping on the edge of movable items switched the click again
Apr 10 22:00:28 <TAsn> :P
Apr 10 22:02:33 <vanous123> yes, one has to tap onto the edge of the L gadget, this will switch to R again, then shelve click and select "end moving"...
Apr 10 22:03:18 <TAsn> :)
Apr 10 22:07:18 <playya_> mrmoku, np. just waiting for a new image for the pre
Apr 10 22:11:34 <mrmoku> :)
Apr 10 22:12:48 <tim_abell> woo, it works
Apr 10 22:12:54 <tim_abell> http://www.timwise.co.uk/om/pop/submissions/packages1270937520.txt
Apr 10 22:13:03 <tim_abell> submitted straight from my phone
Apr 10 22:13:54 <tim_abell> by running http://github.com/timabell/popularity/raw/master/pop straight from /usr/bin/
Apr 10 22:14:09 <tim_abell> now all we need is packaging & analysis
Apr 10 22:14:25 <tim_abell> you guys are welcome to host this direct on the shr server
Apr 10 22:15:13 <vanous123> tim_abell: debian popcon checks for application last run time, you know it?
Apr 10 22:15:28 <tim_abell> oh that's an even better idea :)
Apr 10 22:15:36 <tim_abell> but we don't have anything yet do we?
Apr 10 22:15:48 <vanous123> http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ
Apr 10 22:15:57 <vanous123> :)
Apr 10 22:16:24 <vanous123> tim_abell: had been thinking about popcon this week, so i looked it up
Apr 10 22:16:34 <tim_abell> cool
Apr 10 22:22:11 <vanous123> mrmoku: will install fsogsmd related phoneui in the morning if ready... 
Apr 10 22:22:26 <vanous123> what were the issues, no ring sound?
Apr 10 22:23:49 <tim_abell> is anyone else interested in getting my popularity app distributed?
Apr 10 22:24:03 <tim_abell> i know it's not as good as popcon, but at least it's something
Apr 10 22:24:05 <leviathan> ok
Apr 10 22:24:06 <leviathan> well
Apr 10 22:24:10 <tim_abell> and it does run shr-t :)
Apr 10 22:24:11 <leviathan> I'll go sleep now
Apr 10 22:24:23 <playya_> good night leviathan 
Apr 10 22:24:28 <leviathan> playya_: thx
Apr 10 22:24:30 <leviathan> same to you
Apr 10 22:24:32 <leviathan> :)
Apr 10 22:24:44 <playya_> i want to boot the preboot image today ;)
Apr 10 22:25:13 <leviathan> hmm
Apr 10 22:25:13 <tim_abell> patches welcome, by the way
Apr 10 22:25:19 <tim_abell> encouraged in fact
Apr 10 22:25:30 <leviathan> I want to finally install shr into internal memory >_<
Apr 10 22:25:58 <leviathan> but it seems that this mtd driver from google is somewhat of broken
Apr 10 22:26:00 <leviathan> ... anyway
Apr 10 22:26:03 <leviathan> smoking
Apr 10 22:26:05 <leviathan> sleeping
Apr 10 22:26:06 <leviathan> gn8
Apr 10 22:27:13 <TAsn> mrmoku, btw, I'm pretty close to making a proper quick shelf :P
Apr 10 22:27:47 <TAsn> I don't need a repo, I'll host it in shr-e-gadgets in the meanwhile :)
Apr 10 22:27:52 <TAsn> Let's hope it'll be cool :)
Apr 10 22:28:11 <TAsn> Anything special you want in there btw?
Apr 10 22:31:25 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07phonefsod * ra7401084a722 10/src/phonefsod-fso.c: phonefsod-fso: reactivate dimming, fix input events and use libfso-glib enums
Apr 10 22:31:35 <CIA-75> SHR: 03mok 07phonefsod * ra08493fd931c 10/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am src/phonefsod-fso.c): use libfsoframework to get defines for bus names and paths
Apr 10 22:32:15 <mrmoku> TAsn: hennings draft :)
Apr 10 22:33:46 <TAsn> huh? :P
Apr 10 22:35:25 <mrmoku> the dropdown menu mockup
Apr 10 22:35:59 <mrmoku> vanous123: need still some time to cleanup
Apr 10 22:36:13 <mrmoku> vanous123: I don't think I will up it tonight
Apr 10 22:36:22 <vanous123> mrmoku: no problem
Apr 10 22:36:23 <mrmoku> but tomorrow morning
Apr 10 22:36:31 <vanous123> sounds good
Apr 10 22:36:47 <mrmoku> and the ping is promissed :)
Apr 10 22:37:03 <vanous123> i will try it tomorrow, as on the weekends i can use regular gsm here and about...
Apr 10 22:37:48 <tim_abell> hopefully i'll get some submissions... http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-April/061231.html
Apr 10 22:41:14 <tim_abell> right i'm done for the night
Apr 10 22:41:27 <tim_abell> i hope i've contributed something today
Apr 10 22:43:18 <tim_abell> no doubt my web host will promptly go down :)
Apr 10 22:47:03 <playya_> ~seen jesusmccloud
Apr 10 22:47:07 <apt> jesusmccloud <~JesusMcCl@213162066071.public.t-mobile.at> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 1d 22h 35m 36s ago, saying: '~nf2'.
Apr 11 00:15:05 <tim_abell> woo, i'm getting data http://www.timwise.co.uk/om/pop/summary20100410.txt
Apr 11 00:15:32 <tim_abell> analysis scripts available at http://github.com/timabell/popularity
Apr 11 02:44:07 <khiraly> hi
Apr 11 02:44:11 <khiraly> anybody around?
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