**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 18 02:59:57 2010 Apr 18 03:51:49 could someone push pisi from shr-u to shr-t? pisi in shr-t doesn't work with opimd Apr 18 04:19:55 pabs3: what exactly doesn't work in wifi for you? Apr 18 04:20:06 pabs3: it's mostly firmware + sucking driver. Apr 18 04:20:26 pabs3: shr-t is spaetz's domain. Apr 18 04:20:33 connecting Apr 18 04:20:48 (using mokoconnect that is) Apr 18 04:21:16 spaetz: please pull pisi and intone from shr-u to shr-t Apr 18 04:22:13 pabs3: use direct wpa_supplicant method and describe what you see... Apr 18 04:32:27 PaulFertser: ok, so I stopped connmand and all wpa_supplicant processes. the first time I ran wpa_supplicant it worked fine and udhcpc worked too. after turning the interface off and on again with shr-settings, associations time out. this happens if I turn it off and on a second time Apr 18 04:34:39 pabs3: well... It's probably the buggy firmware then. With some access points it's necessary to wait for a few seconds after powering on the chip to be able to associate. If you start too early you'll never associate. Apr 18 04:36:03 ok, lets try waiting Apr 18 04:36:12 :( Apr 18 04:36:28 pabs3: and also it's not cool to leave wpa_supplicant running while you remove the driver, why do that? Apr 18 04:36:37 pabs3: why not just wrap wpa_supplicant in fsoraw? Apr 18 04:37:00 I wasn't leaving it running, killed it with Ctrl+C Apr 18 04:37:31 Ah, ok. So try inserting a 3sec sleep between powering on the chip and starting it again. Apr 18 04:37:57 so what would the fsoraw command look like? Apr 18 04:39:08 pabs3: fsoraw -r WiFi -- bash -c "sleep 5; wpa_supplicant -Dwext -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf' Apr 18 04:39:12 s/'/"/ Apr 18 04:41:39 pabs3: you'll also want to run wpa_cli with special action script to acquire IP from the point. Have you seen my message on the community ML wrt Wifi? Apr 18 04:41:58 hmm, FSO seems to be starting wpa_supplicant itself: http://pastebin.ca/1865846 Apr 18 04:42:12 yeah, I think I did Apr 18 04:42:21 pabs3: it's not fso, it's connman Apr 18 04:42:37 If anything Apr 18 04:42:43 connman is not running, I killed it Apr 18 04:46:09 ok, the 5 second sleep seems to have worked reliably: http://pastebin.ca/1865850 Apr 18 04:53:21 pabs3: cool Apr 18 04:53:45 It's still important to find out who the hell starts wpa_supplicant behind your back Apr 18 04:54:15 ah, I think it is my /etc/network/interfaces Apr 18 04:55:19 yep, that was it Apr 18 07:44:47 [Rui]: i got pisi to import all numbers per contact, but had to import the vcf into google contacts and then using pisi to import google contacts into opimd Apr 18 07:45:48 [Rui]: so seems pisi is not quite there yet in handling vcf **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 18 07:53:18 2010 Apr 18 08:42:28 morning folks Apr 18 08:42:41 sicu: no Apr 18 08:42:43 mickeyl: morning Apr 18 08:43:17 morning mickeyl Apr 18 08:43:23 mrmoku: ok, thanks Apr 18 08:44:03 sicu: but you will be prompted with a number selection dialog when calling or sending SMS Apr 18 08:44:08 at least it's possible to choose from the numbers upon clicking call, and i now have all my contacts with all their numbers, so i'm a happy camper Apr 18 08:44:13 :) Apr 18 08:44:20 =] Apr 18 08:44:41 eventually I will add the field name too... Apr 18 08:45:13 nice, I really appreciate all the work you folks are doing =] Apr 18 08:45:24 and we enjoy the work :) Apr 18 08:46:34 hehe, good good, cause if you weren't i fair your commits would come to a gradual halt ;p Apr 18 08:47:08 :P Apr 18 08:47:17 s/fair/fear/ Apr 18 08:48:54 well, it seems the problems i had with pisi not importing all the numbers was due to my vcf being in an outdated format Apr 18 08:49:55 google converted them from VERSION:2.1 to 3.0, and now importing from vcf is working nicely as well Apr 18 08:51:09 [Rui]: ^ Apr 18 08:51:22 <[Rui]> sicu: you're a sniper? Apr 18 08:51:28 <[Rui]> sicu: I just sat here! :D Apr 18 08:51:38 hehe, be afraid ;p Apr 18 08:51:55 <[Rui]> sicu: ah... Apr 18 08:52:07 <[Rui]> how did you convert to google? Apr 18 08:52:52 if you've got a gmail account, just go to contacts > import > your big vcf file ... and then export to vcf again Apr 18 08:53:46 though exporting to vcf is not entirely necessary unless you want the vcf file ofc Apr 18 08:54:17 as you modify pisi conf to access your google account and import directly from there Apr 18 08:54:50 but i prefer having a working vcf file lying around for my other phones Apr 18 08:55:56 <[Rui]> sicu: indeed Apr 18 09:06:38 <[Rui]> but that means giving google all your contacts... Apr 18 09:07:14 <[Rui]> sicu: can you anonymize your most complete vcf and paste it to me somewhere? Apr 18 09:11:15 [Rui]: i know ... i only gave google a 'john doe' vcf to see the difference and modified the rest of them myself Apr 18 09:12:15 <[Rui]> hehe Apr 18 09:15:36 [Rui]: http://pastebin.ca/1866084 Apr 18 09:15:58 I took the kernel git snapshot from shr and now try to git pull - but I still get "mmap failed: Cannot allocate memory", and then "fatal: protocol error: bad pack header" Apr 18 09:17:02 [Rui]: i'm afraid it's only got 3 numbers and no additional info like emails and such, as i only use the FR for personal use, my business phone needs to be 100% reliable Apr 18 09:17:51 <[Rui]> sicu: hehe, thanks : Apr 18 09:17:53 <[Rui]> :) Apr 18 09:19:11 [Rui]: you're welcome Apr 18 09:22:32 <[Rui]> I don't see much difference that can't be done with a few s///.... Apr 18 09:24:52 should do the trick nicely Apr 18 09:40:54 hello Apr 18 09:41:02 TAsn: ping Apr 18 09:44:15 daniele_athome: how's you illume2 indicator going? :) Apr 18 09:44:19 +r Apr 18 09:45:01 mrmoku, actually very good :) Apr 18 09:45:26 daniele_athome: is it somehow mokosuite specific? Apr 18 09:45:28 I asked to E-devel list how to make an indicator app and a home desktop Apr 18 09:45:37 mrmoku, what do you mean? Apr 18 09:45:43 daniele_athome: yep, read the thread with dh Apr 18 09:46:02 daniele_athome: could we use it as 'general' shr inidicator? Apr 18 09:46:11 or is there mokosuite specific stuff in it? Apr 18 09:46:37 of course, mokopanel can be used indipendently from the other mokosuite apps Apr 18 09:46:46 mokopanel includes an idle screen also Apr 18 09:47:04 a virtual keyboard (i will remove it after I will complete integration with illume2) Apr 18 09:47:28 do you have a repo somewhere? Apr 18 09:47:29 and a notification window (like the android one, to be completed, still alpha work) Apr 18 09:47:36 mrmoku, of course, subversion Apr 18 09:47:45 svn://svn.casaricci.it/openmoko/trunk/mokosuite Apr 18 09:49:09 mrmoku, so you read the thread, could you help with illume2 policy focus issues? Apr 18 09:51:10 daniele_athome: at least I'm suffering from it too... so I'm interested to fix it :) Apr 18 09:51:22 :) Apr 18 09:51:52 not sure if my e knowledge suffices to help though :/ Apr 18 09:53:02 mrmoku, first of all, I want to see differences between HEAD and SHR-u revision of illume policy Apr 18 09:55:43 http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/47636/trunk/e/src/modules/illume2/policies/illume/policy.c Apr 18 09:55:46 mmm... Apr 18 09:56:14 no changes :( Apr 18 09:57:53 we're quite current with efl rev Apr 18 09:58:08 and we don't patch it as far as I know Apr 18 09:58:15 but we have our own config Apr 18 09:58:24 maybe there's something wrong/missing Apr 18 09:58:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r32dc68597522 10/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: Apr 18 09:58:40 freesmartphone.org: mdbus2: validate bus names and object paths rather than always introspecting. Apr 18 09:58:40 freesmartphone.org: This should improve performance, increase compliance with broken servers, and Apr 18 09:58:40 freesmartphone.org: add support for servers using fallback object paths. Closes FSO #521 and #530 Apr 18 09:58:55 <[Rui]> sicu: seems to have worked, cool. Apr 18 09:59:02 <[Rui]> brb Apr 18 09:59:30 PaulFertser: max_posedon: i'd appreciate testing Apr 18 09:59:31 ^^^ Apr 18 09:59:56 this now means we're much cooler than dbus-send and qdbus, btw. Apr 18 10:00:12 mickeyl: yo, really cool :) Apr 18 10:00:13 as both are calling dbus with unverified params which lead to nice errors *cough* Apr 18 10:00:45 after trying for 1h to copy parts of dbus into the project, i gave up and used a regedx Apr 18 10:00:47 daniele_athome, pong. Apr 18 10:01:07 they invented a string class *sigh* Apr 18 10:01:10 hi TAsn Apr 18 10:01:12 sicu, no way, sorry. Also thought about it today :P Apr 18 10:01:27 did you read my thread with dh? Apr 18 10:02:03 TAsn: devilhorns said you never mentioned focus problems? Apr 18 10:02:41 liar! Apr 18 10:02:43 I did! Apr 18 10:02:51 (especially with vala-terminal) Apr 18 10:02:54 lol Apr 18 10:02:56 which he installed Apr 18 10:03:01 daniele_athome, where? Apr 18 10:03:06 TAsn, yeah I had problems with vala-terminal too Apr 18 10:03:10 mrmoku, installed, tested and confirmed. Apr 18 10:03:12 TAsn, e-devel Apr 18 10:03:33 oh, yeah. Apr 18 10:03:37 daniele_athome, you could have just asked me... Apr 18 10:03:44 but yeah, I read that thread. :) Apr 18 10:03:46 i'm afraid the problem with vala-terminal is the problem with the underlying terminal library Apr 18 10:04:31 TAsn, try this: open phoneui-messages from launcher Apr 18 10:04:34 TAsn: well, the vala-terminal thing is a problem with the keyboard Apr 18 10:04:36 click on new Apr 18 10:04:38 and then on close Apr 18 10:04:41 what you see? Apr 18 10:04:52 I see my phone in the pocket Apr 18 10:04:52 sec. Apr 18 10:06:15 contact list Apr 18 10:06:20 raising the window using application calls doesn't work... need to use back button or an external program such as wmctrl Apr 18 10:06:21 oh messages Apr 18 10:06:23 sec. Apr 18 10:06:55 daniele_athome, I see a phoneuid segfault Apr 18 10:07:00 hello! someones else has problem to compil util-macros_1.7.0.bb ?=> bad interpreter: No such file or directory Apr 18 10:07:01 oh Apr 18 10:07:24 TAsn, sec. Apr 18 10:08:06 mine it's still there Apr 18 10:08:10 i use latest shr-u Apr 18 10:08:36 ok, nvm, not a segfault Apr 18 10:08:40 TAsn, anyway you can try with any app that opens two toplevel non-transient windows Apr 18 10:08:42 but messages list gets hidden. Apr 18 10:08:59 daniele_athome, so please report to dh Apr 18 10:09:00 TAsn, yeah... it happens with my phone stack app too Apr 18 10:09:15 TAsn, it's already on thread :) Apr 18 10:09:19 should I open a ticket to E? Apr 18 10:09:33 hmm... raises fine for me Apr 18 10:09:53 mmm... :S Apr 18 10:10:11 daniele_athome, nah. Apr 18 10:10:17 daniele_athome, talking to dh is enough. Apr 18 10:10:30 daniele_athome, he'll be the one to fix it and he told me he doesn't follow trac :) Apr 18 10:11:03 TAsn, read the thread Apr 18 10:11:05 :) Apr 18 10:11:38 bah, sec. Apr 18 10:12:57 daniele_athome, what does elm_win_activate do? Apr 18 10:13:19 daniele_athome, TAsn: the problem I have is that after pressing the home button... the back button does not work anymore Apr 18 10:13:36 mrmoku, yeah, there are real behaviors here and there. Apr 18 10:14:33 other than that... back does not include the home screen anymore now... I think it did before Apr 18 10:14:36 (which is fine I think) Apr 18 10:14:59 if I start another app after pressing home... the back button works nicely again Apr 18 10:15:08 hmm... Apr 18 10:15:27 something is weird. :) Apr 18 10:15:39 We need to have a good, solid bug report Apr 18 10:15:50 mickeyl: works for me to get data from opimd now :) Apr 18 10:17:01 Wonderful Apr 18 10:17:07 excellent, glad to hear Apr 18 10:17:11 please close the bug then Apr 18 10:17:18 how do I compile the freerunner kernel without frame pointer,it seem that I can't remove that Apr 18 10:17:56 PaulFertser, what was your issue? Apr 18 10:18:02 daniele_athome, read the thread, now what? Apr 18 10:18:10 (the option says "If you say Y here the resulting kernel image will be slightly larger and *slower*") Apr 18 10:19:00 I'm at a15608f241a40b41fed5bffe511355c2067c4e88 Apr 18 10:20:37 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * rb5322e28774e 10/src/util/ui-utils.c: Added setting focus on ui_utils_view_show. Apr 18 10:23:09 [Rui]: that's good =] Apr 18 10:23:59 TAsn: i couldn't use non-introspectable paths with mdbus2 (like /org/freesmartphone/PIM/Calls/49) Apr 18 10:24:15 TAsn, we talked about the focus issue Apr 18 10:24:21 daniele_athome, saw that. Apr 18 10:24:23 and i told me to do some tests, etc. Apr 18 10:24:33 PaulFertser, oh, remember you said something about it. Apr 18 10:24:33 s/i/he/ Apr 18 10:27:18 so he assigned the task to me :D Apr 18 10:28:43 Ok, so please do them ;) Apr 18 10:28:50 lol Apr 18 10:41:08 mrmoku: as for the back button, you don't need to start an app, just givin Home a focus will get the Back working as it should... Apr 18 10:41:20 * vanous123 doesn't know why of course :) Apr 18 10:42:35 mmm... Apr 18 10:44:07 vanous123: ahh, ok :) Apr 18 10:44:44 mrmoku: i.e. scrolling would do... Apr 18 10:44:55 mrmoku, the best way to simulate neo environment? Apr 18 10:45:04 copying .e directory should be enough Apr 18 10:58:11 someones else has problem to compil util-macros_1.7.0.bb ?=> bad interpreter: No such file or directory Apr 18 10:58:13 daniele_athome: you mean on the desktop? Apr 18 10:58:22 GarthPS: no problems Apr 18 10:58:53 mrmoku:shit! I do Apr 18 10:59:15 mrmoku: I must be curst :p Apr 18 10:59:23 cursed Apr 18 11:00:21 GarthPS: what shell are you using? Apr 18 11:00:31 and what buildhost OS? Apr 18 11:01:18 mrmoku: how to know? Apr 18 11:01:48 GarthPS: debian, fedora, gentoo, ... what do you have installed on the host you're building on? Apr 18 11:02:01 mrmoku: ubuntu 9.10 Apr 18 11:02:13 mrmoku: I mean for the shell Apr 18 11:02:17 and echo $SHELL? Apr 18 11:02:34 mrmoku: ah thx! bash Apr 18 11:03:22 mrmoku, yes Apr 18 11:03:32 already started mrmoku nvm :) Apr 18 11:03:37 mrmoku: "Modeline is 0 / 0 0 0 0 / 0 0 0 0" - well, that'd explain a few problems.. Apr 18 11:06:04 GarthPS: you could check http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/OEandYourDistro#Ubuntu if it helps... Apr 18 11:06:13 Weiss: where is that from? Apr 18 11:07:02 mrmoku: OK thx I will .but until few weeks I was able to compile shr-u image.. otherwise how th reset my buil of shr-u ? I don't remember which things to delete Apr 18 11:07:52 GarthPS: ok, then probably no problem with your build env... Apr 18 11:08:14 Weiss: [269712.093] (WW) Glamo(0): Fledgeling pixmap already had a buffer object! Apr 18 11:08:17 [269712.618] (II) Glamo(0): Modeline "480x640"x72.5 24.50 480 496 504 512 640 656 658 660 (47.9 kHz) Apr 18 11:08:20 [269712.645] (II) Glamo(0): Modeline "240x320"x108.1 10.00 240 256 264 272 320 336 338 340 (36.8 kHz) Apr 18 11:09:02 mrmoku: so what then? Apr 18 11:09:54 GarthPS: hmm... vaguely I remember util-macros is some x stuff... and there were problems with it... looong ago though Apr 18 11:10:28 mrmoku: that's what comes up when re-running a test program after an unclean shutdown.. Apr 18 11:10:30 mrmoku: so perhaps if i reset my build It would work Apr 18 11:10:42 possibly not related to you problem, but I don't know yet Apr 18 11:10:45 Weiss: ok Apr 18 11:10:52 GarthPS: probably Apr 18 11:10:58 mrmoku: but I don't remember which directory I need to delete Apr 18 11:11:06 GarthPS: tmp Apr 18 11:11:10 GarthPS: wait Apr 18 11:11:12 no Apr 18 11:11:13 nvm Apr 18 11:11:14 tmp Apr 18 11:11:27 mrmoku: nvm ? Apr 18 11:11:51 GarthPS: you would have to keep some cache files to keep version numbers for git stuff consistent... Apr 18 11:11:57 though you probably don't need that Apr 18 11:12:02 just want an image? Apr 18 11:12:07 (nvm = never mind) Apr 18 11:12:32 mrmoku: yes and then i will build some personnal recipes Apr 18 11:13:33 then just 'rm -rf tmp' while inside shr-unstable Apr 18 11:14:08 mrmoku: ok thxxxxxxxxxxx! Apr 18 11:18:25 updating shr-unstable tree Apr 18 11:18:25 HEAD is now at 9d93b75 Merge remote branch 'origin/org.openembedded.dev' into shr/unstable Apr 18 11:18:25 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly Apr 18 11:19:09 GarthPS: retry, sometimes it hangs ;) Apr 18 11:19:26 3 times ini a row already :p Apr 18 11:19:41 strange Apr 18 11:42:48 GarthPS: oe git is quite busy Apr 18 11:43:08 mickeyl: hi! can you tell me where I can find the values that org.freesmartphone.Device.Vibrator.Vibrate( i:seconds, i:strength ) can accept ? Apr 18 11:43:38 mrmoku: on what? Apr 18 11:45:19 GarthPS: it is busy... so sometimes git pull does not work Apr 18 11:45:46 which manifests in the error you posted above Apr 18 11:49:03 mrmoku: ok. about util-macros i feel it has passed already (in bitbake shr-image) Apr 18 11:49:22 2.6.32 to fast? why I need to set frameworkd or fsogsmd to debug (log) for registering SIM? Apr 18 11:49:31 running task 530 right now Apr 18 11:51:12 Would be better if configurable in xx.conf file if its a delay problem Apr 18 11:51:35 GarthPS: seconds is... seconds Apr 18 11:51:36 von_fritz: if we only knew :/ Apr 18 11:51:50 GarthPS: strength is 0-100 (percentage) Apr 18 11:52:01 mickeyl: is'nt milliesecond??? Apr 18 11:52:15 mickeyl: thx Apr 18 11:52:19 ah right Apr 18 11:52:22 you're right Apr 18 11:52:23 milliseconds Apr 18 11:52:27 it's actually documented Apr 18 11:52:28 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Device.Vibrator.html;hb=HEAD Apr 18 11:52:37 so just the name of the parameter is wrong Apr 18 11:52:42 will fix now, thanks Apr 18 11:52:56 :) it is a pleasure! Apr 18 11:53:02 thank you Apr 18 11:53:46 mickeyl: it should be notice too about th % strenght Apr 18 11:54:26 hmm, yeah Apr 18 11:54:48 i try not to put the whole documentation in the variable name, but in this case, strength_percentage will do Apr 18 11:59:06 mickeyl: a stupid question: what is the differnce between mdbus and mdbus2 ? Apr 18 11:59:13 mdbus2 is a whole rewrite in vala Apr 18 11:59:15 much faster Apr 18 11:59:23 and with an interactive mdoe Apr 18 11:59:24 mode Apr 18 11:59:29 readline completion et. al. Apr 18 11:59:37 Cool, I just got a "regular screen of death" Apr 18 11:59:38 :) Apr 18 11:59:43 Everything hanged :( Apr 18 11:59:50 including kernel Apr 18 12:00:55 mrmoku|away, TAsn: trying illume2 latest svn revision, seems to work correctly Apr 18 12:01:08 daniele_athome, latest = what? Apr 18 12:01:08 so... should we bump? :) Apr 18 12:01:19 48101 Apr 18 12:01:22 daniele_athome, I always prefer bumping :P Apr 18 12:01:26 (over not bumping) Apr 18 12:01:28 buahahah Apr 18 12:01:30 :P Apr 18 12:01:51 TAsn, anyway E has crashed several times Apr 18 12:02:08 This time I prefer not to bump :P Apr 18 12:02:14 *** glibc detected *** /opt/e17/bin/enlightenment: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x0a112c04 *** Apr 18 12:02:29 in /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume2/linux-gnu-i686-ver-pre-svn-05/module.so Apr 18 12:02:30 lol Apr 18 12:02:33 incredible :S Apr 18 12:02:44 s/incredibile/unbelievable/ Apr 18 12:02:45 switch to icewm, it doesn't crash :) Apr 18 12:02:52 are you by any chance using 16 engine? Apr 18 12:02:55 lindi-, really? :P Apr 18 12:02:59 TAsn: yeah Apr 18 12:03:00 TAsn, no Apr 18 12:03:21 lindi-, I used icewm for a while (on my desktop) Apr 18 12:03:28 It's the same as any other wm :) Apr 18 12:03:39 or at least felt the same :) Apr 18 12:03:43 lindi-, tell me more about icewm on FR Apr 18 12:03:48 TAsn: but did it crash? Apr 18 12:03:54 daniele_athome: what do you want to know? Apr 18 12:03:58 lindi-, fluxbox also never crashed for me. Apr 18 12:04:10 icewm is the windows-like wm , isn't it? Apr 18 12:04:53 daniele_athome: hard to say, i don't use windows. it's fvwm-like Apr 18 12:05:02 TAsn, i was thinking: when didn't illume2 crashed? :D Apr 18 12:05:14 TAsn, or enlightenment in general Apr 18 12:05:31 lindi-, do you have the configuration suited for FR? can you send me it? Apr 18 12:05:33 daniele_athome, that's what you get for using software from svn. Apr 18 12:05:39 daniele_athome, You don't get any QA. Apr 18 12:05:41 I know Apr 18 12:05:47 so why not bumping? :P Apr 18 12:05:55 because you said e crashed for you. Apr 18 12:06:03 :) Apr 18 12:06:06 To be honest, unless I piss it off, e doesn't crash here Apr 18 12:06:10 anyway I will bump by my own Apr 18 12:06:11 daniele_athome: no special configuration is needed but http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/home-lindi-dot-2009-10-04.tar.gz has it Apr 18 12:06:15 Too bad e is easy to piss off :) Apr 18 12:07:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r27b29f8ebd15 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Device.Vibrator: improve self-documenting variable names Apr 18 12:10:47 mickeyl: ok thx. and a last question. in a application I want to call a vibration , I know the more responssible way is to write in the sys/device file but it is not the best way anyway. So do you have an ideal of the resposness of the dbus call to make it virate? becaus with mdbus2 it still takes a good second Apr 18 12:11:46 GarthPS: the overhead of process launching is a lot. if you call it from C to C, it's fast Apr 18 12:11:54 example Apr 18 12:12:00 i have a tracball on one of the systems Apr 18 12:12:12 fsodeviced reads the input device and synthesizes input signals Apr 18 12:12:22 the client reads this and use it to browse through a list of entries Apr 18 12:12:30 performance is great Apr 18 12:12:53 (at least on this device here... FR might be a bit slower, but still ok) Apr 18 12:13:15 mickeyl: whhich device do you have? Apr 18 12:13:52 mickeyl: what do you mean by "from C to C"? Apr 18 12:14:28 htc dream Apr 18 12:14:32 from C code to C code Apr 18 12:14:40 if you call it from python to python it'll be slow Apr 18 12:16:21 ok so if my app is in c++/Qt on shr, a dbus call should be performance no? Apr 18 12:17:12 mickeyl, fso is linux only, right? Apr 18 12:17:20 mickeyl, or at least unix like only Apr 18 12:17:22 right? Apr 18 12:17:35 (or do you intend to support windows/whatever) Apr 18 12:18:20 mickey(sorry forgot the name):ok so if my app is in c++/Qt on shr, a dbus call should be performance no? Apr 18 12:18:32 yes, pretty much Apr 18 12:18:36 TAsn: correct Apr 18 12:18:49 cool. Apr 18 12:18:51 TAsn: i have no intention to support other systems whatsoever Apr 18 12:18:53 mickey: thx Apr 18 12:19:04 mickeyl, cool :) Apr 18 12:19:45 mickey: you should! otherwise i will not redonnat to th project :p Apr 18 12:20:11 mickey: I mean , you ar right Apr 18 12:20:53 hehe Apr 18 12:21:13 mickey: anyway windows on embded device will be rare in few years Apr 18 12:21:19 :p Apr 18 12:21:39 yes, i think so as well. Apr 18 12:23:10 TAsn: what are the reasonable assumptions about number of contacts a user has? Should i just dump them all on start and then modify my local storage whenever signalled? And use that for resolution of contact names etc? Apr 18 12:23:37 PaulFertser, on avg people have 200 contacts Apr 18 12:23:45 I don't think anyone has more than 1000 Apr 18 12:24:07 those are the assumptions I make when I design, though I don't restrict users from having 1000000 :P Apr 18 12:24:34 PaulFertser, I dump on start, modify local storage on signals and use opimd for resolution. Apr 18 12:24:52 * daniele_athome is bitbaking EFL rev. 48102 Apr 18 12:25:02 mickey: I spoke to a most valueable person of microsoft technologies ( a man not completely stupid since eh also develop for the iphone) and he answer me that I bbet on a return of windows on this domane.. "the always ahd the capacity to focus on some thing" -yeah but I think it is to late! :p Apr 18 12:25:05 PaulFertser, except for dbus overhead, opimd should be pretty fast as it's using indexing with sqlite. Apr 18 12:25:16 TAsn: why use opimd on resolution if i already have them locally? Apr 18 12:25:26 segv is always at the same point... mmm... Apr 18 12:25:59 PaulFertser, just because opimd should be great once we move to vala, and there's no reason why to do it on your own when opimd is fast :P Apr 18 12:26:17 GarthPS: right. android will take the lions' share away from MS on phones. the other parts will be eaten up by Apple and Nokia Apr 18 12:26:19 mickey: sorry I missed some letters Apr 18 12:26:27 PaulFertser, furthermore, why implement stuff twice? name resolution should be sufficiently fast with opimd. Apr 18 12:26:33 mickey: completely! Apr 18 12:26:41 it is already on a good way! Apr 18 12:26:48 Though, best thing would probably be: make a hash table for normalized numbers Apr 18 12:27:16 TAsn: if i need whole contact list locally anyway, i can use telephone number as hash -> instant resolution. Apr 18 12:27:24 But I didn't bother since o (log n) -> o(1) when n is relatively small doesn't really matter. Apr 18 12:27:40 mickey: sorry it is in french but http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/55878-smartphones-android-windows-mobile-iphone-blackberry.htm Apr 18 12:27:41 PaulFertser, Yes you can. Apr 18 12:27:50 TAsn: i mean calling dbus would be even longer code-wise. Apr 18 12:28:02 PaulFertser, if it's longer, than implement it locally :P Apr 18 12:28:06 but Apr 18 12:28:15 be advised that you need to resolve according to all fields of type Apr 18 12:28:19 phonenumber Apr 18 12:28:39 Good point Apr 18 12:29:00 that's why I just used opimd instead of internal cache :) Apr 18 12:29:09 it takes ~0.5 second because of the dbus overhead Apr 18 12:29:28 but at least it's 0.5 second of opimd CPU time and not my app, which can in the meanwhile init everything :) Apr 18 12:30:09 TAsn: now imagine i want to show user a list of messages and i do resolution for every message in his 1000-i-never-delete-sms list? How do i handle this in a sane way? Apr 18 12:30:38 PaulFertser, ok, this is a bit more complicated :) Apr 18 12:30:46 Even if it's loosy 50 messages, 50*0.5 is damn long. Apr 18 12:30:52 I will tell you about the present/phoneuid/future Apr 18 12:31:18 phoneuid: we do it manually :( But at least we cache messages app so it should be alright on the second time. Apr 18 12:31:30 present (i.e what you can do *now*): Apr 18 12:31:35 You can ask for all the numbers together Apr 18 12:31:40 i.e Apr 18 12:31:59 Query: $phonenumber = [number1, number2, number3] Apr 18 12:32:22 so it won't be 50*0.5 but instead it'll be ~1 second Apr 18 12:32:31 maybe a bit more, not a lot more though. Apr 18 12:32:41 Funny approach Apr 18 12:32:41 PaulFertser, got this example? Apr 18 12:32:50 Sure Apr 18 12:33:06 future: I just need to figure out the wanted API (I have ideas, but I haven't found the time to really decided) Apr 18 12:33:12 to let you resolve numbers when you query Apr 18 12:33:26 But if i already have all that info, that doesn't make sense, i'll use my local storage (needed to display contact list anyway). Apr 18 12:33:28 I.e Query messages, and for each message, get also the contact. Apr 18 12:33:45 PaulFertser, you can, yeah. Apr 18 12:35:47 PaulFertser, I think the future way is the best. Apr 18 12:36:00 You didn't tell about it yet ;) Apr 18 12:36:02 I have the API pretty settled in my head, just need to make sure I'm fine with that :) Apr 18 12:36:08