**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 30 02:59:56 2010
May 30 05:40:31 <JaMa> moin
May 30 06:48:39 <leviathan> JaMa: moin
May 30 08:43:13 <[Rui]> morning!
May 30 08:44:27 <[Rui]> larsc: 2.6.34 went even worse than 2.6.32, in the end. When I left, yesterday, it would stay in suspend (almost immediately it would auto-resume) and then I let it go in suspend by idleness. After half an hour of suspend, it wouldn't resume. 
May 30 08:45:04 <[Rui]> larsc: then I removed battery and the fs corruption wouldn't let it boot. as I got home I fscked it and went back to 2.6.29 :(
May 30 08:45:42 <[Rui]> JaMa: you mentioned that calibration (with 2.6.34) wouldn't be needed anymore after opkg upgrade. however, calibration feels borked.
May 30 08:46:24 <[Rui]> JaMa: I had to calibrate when I went back to 2.6.29, and just a few minutes ago, after a rotation done by omnewrotate, calibration went balooney
May 30 09:26:43 <JaMa> [Rui]: no idea what omnewrotate is doing with calibration..
May 30 09:26:57 <[Rui]> JaMa: nothing, just calls xrandr api to rotate
May 30 09:27:16 <[Rui]> JaMa: let's see what now happens if I rotate (after a new boot)
May 30 09:27:30 <[Rui]> immediate fusge
May 30 09:27:33 <[Rui]> fudge
May 30 09:27:59 <lindi-> [Rui]: please report that resume kernel bug
May 30 09:28:31 <morphis> heyho
May 30 09:30:44 <[Rui]> what were the last changes WRT calibration?
May 30 09:32:01 <JaMa> [Rui]: xinput-calibrator now spips calibration data fo om-gta02
May 30 09:32:37 <JaMa> and xserver-common is not trying kernel driver calibration before calling xinput-calibrator
May 30 09:39:51 <[Rui]> JaMa: it seems that rotating in those conditions looses the calibration
May 30 09:43:13 <Q-Master> mickey|tv: no loosing the net yet, but i do have a 1024 fix and it worked while on fso-abyss
May 30 09:44:57 <JaMa> [Rui]: sorry I'm not using it, can you try to call xinput_calibrator_once.sh after rotating it?
May 30 09:50:01 <[Rui]> JaMa: that only works for portrait mode
May 30 09:50:52 <JaMa> you mean that you need different calibration data (xinput calls) when in landscape? oh my .. :/
May 30 09:50:58 <[Rui]> and it's a problem with xrandr really. 
May 30 09:51:18 <[Rui]> JaMa: worse, because when you come back, it's still fucked up
May 30 09:51:56 <[Rui]> in order to check whether it would be something I should do, calling xrandr, that I weren't, I used xrandr -o 1 then xrandr -o 0 to validate
May 30 09:51:59 <[Rui]> same problem
May 30 09:52:14 <[Rui]> so changing rotation *borks* calibration
May 30 09:52:29 <JaMa> maybe we can talk with tias (xinput-calibrator dev) about it, as xinput-calibrator should be new unified way to calibrate all devices, but if xrandr call is enough to break it..
May 30 09:53:06 <JaMa> [Rui]: you can try to move calibration to xorg.conf or udev rules if it's more persistent from there.. but still strange
May 30 09:53:08 <[Rui]> JaMa: breaks completely.
May 30 09:53:22 <[Rui]> JaMa: when I noticed this I first tried udev rules. didn't work.
May 30 09:53:45 <[Rui]> before trying xinput_calibrator_once.sh I tried defining it in evdev input section. didn't work.
May 30 09:54:11 <[Rui]> and xinput_calibrator_once.sh, of course, uses what was stored for portrait mode, so doesn't work in landscape mode.
May 30 09:54:45 <Kensan> [Rui]: Are you saying when rotating the screen, the graphics do but the touchscreen does not rotate?
May 30 09:55:02 <[Rui]> Kensan: no, the calibration is borked
May 30 09:55:03 <JaMa> i was hoping that calibration can be the same and absolute coord of touches should stay the same too
May 30 09:55:13 <[Rui]> Kensan: when coming back, the original settings are totally lost
May 30 09:55:48 <Kensan> [Rui]: GNUtoo has similar issues with his HTC Dream.
May 30 09:55:50 <[Rui]> JaMa: yeah
May 30 09:58:01 <JaMa> maybe one more test.. remove xinput_calibrator call from 89xTs*, reboot device, rotate with xrander; mv /etc/pointercal.xinput /etc/pointercal.xinput.portrait; xinput_calibrator_once.sh; diff /etc/pointercal.xinput /etc/pointercal.xinput.portrait
May 30 09:58:04 <Kensan> haha funny
May 30 09:58:10 <Kensan> ubuntu bug entry #1
May 30 09:58:34 <JaMa> it's world domination thing? #1?
May 30 09:59:52 <Kensan> "Microsoft has a majority market share"
May 30 10:00:00 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r5ed470443bd3 10/ (41 files in 2 dirs): msmcomm: unique style for all c code files
May 30 10:04:40 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r7263a9f1e66d 10/ (48 files in 3 dirs): msmcomm: unique style for all code files
May 30 10:05:05 <[Rui]> JaMa: ok, let's try that, then.
May 30 10:07:59 <Kensan> JaMa: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517131
May 30 10:10:50 <[Rui]> JaMa: isn't it better to just move aside 89xTs* entirely from /etc/Xsession.d instead of commenting out the calls? all it does it that, really...
May 30 10:11:44 <JaMa> [Rui]: how many calls do you have there?
May 30 10:11:58 <JaMa> [Rui]: there should be one bigger if, nothing else
May 30 10:12:06 <[Rui]> JaMa: two, depending on conditions nested into many ifs
May 30 10:12:21 <JaMa> Kensan: we're using evdev, but yes, maybe we need similar patch
May 30 10:13:06 <JaMa> [Rui]: http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=fa32ebe81050abf55f73f8431f6529362f3080d7
May 30 10:13:24 <JaMa> but sure you can move it as well
May 30 10:14:20 <[Rui]> JaMa: it only has 12 lines: http://pastebin.com/EEeGMdwP
May 30 10:14:29 <[Rui]> judging by the content, moving aside is better
May 30 10:16:07 <JaMa> [Rui]: yeah looks right, and you can disable it in first if :)
May 30 10:23:53 <[Rui]> JaMa: http://pastebin.com/MtW206z1 the order of numbers change, the minor differences may be attributed to slight deviations of the exact click point
May 30 10:25:22 <[Rui]> I've disable omnewrotate again and ln -s pointercal.xinput.portrait pointercal.xinput
May 30 10:25:41 <[Rui]> but rotating is useful for browsing in ventura... many pages are only viewable in portrait mode
May 30 10:25:46 <[Rui]> landscape mode, I mean
May 30 10:28:17 <JaMa> [Rui]: I had to swap those numbers manually from xinput-calibrator output (I had a bit different version) so maybe if you call xinput_calibrator_once.sh in portrait mode then you'll get also swaped numbers and only change will be in Axes Swap param
May 30 10:34:24 <[Rui]> lindi-: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2339
May 30 10:35:05 <lindi-> [Rui]: great
May 30 10:35:07 <[Rui]> JaMa: didn't understand you, sorry... both portrait and landscape pointercal.xinput files were generated by xinput_calibrator_once.sh
May 30 10:36:02 <[Rui]> I so much wanted to use 2.6.3[24] but sadly it's too unstable :(
May 30 10:36:12 <[Rui]> the improvements in performance are *huge*
May 30 10:36:18 <[Rui]> great work!
May 30 10:47:20 <JaMa> [Rui]: no portrait mode values were installed with xinput-calibrator itself
May 30 10:47:40 <JaMa> [Rui]: as replacement for those older kernel driver calibrations we had
May 30 10:47:47 <[Rui]> JaMa: ah.
May 30 10:47:58 <JaMa> [Rui]: to be able to have same 89xTs* script for all kernels
May 30 10:49:47 <[Rui]> JaMa: ok. but in fact it's a pity it's borked
May 30 11:01:17 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rff2a5dea3fbe 10/ (8 files in 5 dirs): libmsmcomm: distinguish different call types
May 30 11:48:33 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rffa78c6a6df0 10/msmcommd/src/llc.c: msmcommd: don't init connection if it is not valid
May 30 12:44:52 <JaMa> FYI: enlightenment/illume dragable items are not easily usable with 2.6.34, probably because of missing touchscreen event filtering, single click is too often recognized as short drag instead
May 30 12:45:28 <JaMa> double-click works better
May 30 12:45:42 <JaMa> very carefull single-click sometimes works too
May 30 13:00:58 <GarthPS> hello
May 30 13:02:39 <GarthPS> someone knows how to clear call history? opimd-cli ca delete all does not work
May 30 14:20:05 <CIA-58> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r34413900100d 10/fsousaged/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fsousaged: make lowlevel_palmpre plugin available for everybody
May 30 15:26:01 <mrmoku> yo
May 30 15:26:51 <mrmoku> morphis: any progress on booting?
May 30 15:26:54 <vanous123> mickey|tv: hi mickey|tv , unfortunately +CME ERROR: 3 here again
May 30 15:27:22 <vanous123> mickey|tv: have full logs here: http://vanous.penguin.cz/files/om/fsogsmd/ if usefull...
May 30 15:28:12 <vanous123> mrmoku: not on holidays? yet?
May 30 15:28:25 <mrmoku> vanous123: still on holidays... yeah
May 30 15:28:39 <vanous123> mrmoku: raining?
May 30 15:29:08 <mrmoku> vanous123: yep :(
May 30 15:29:18 <vanous123> mrmoku: hmm :(
May 30 15:37:14 <playya> everyone is talking about holidays :/
May 30 15:38:22 <vanous123> playya: no holidays here... :), just too much work :) 
May 30 15:41:09 <shazkhan> mrmoku: Want to make a non-root user for shr-lite ... where do I start in OE/bb?
May 30 15:48:31 <Q-Master> mrmoku: don't you have problems with deep sleep?
May 30 15:48:50 <Q-Master> mrmoku: and shr-phoneui has a bug
May 30 15:50:15 <Q-Master> mrmoku: after hanging the phone it tries to add contact to opimd and says that it can't.
May 30 15:50:44 <mrmoku> Q-Master: phoneui has  a lot of bugs ;)
May 30 15:50:59 <mrmoku> shazkhan: don't remember by heart... there is some basefiles package I think
May 30 15:51:24 <Q-Master> mrmoku:  but that one is something new...
May 30 15:51:31 <Q-Master> to me of course
May 30 15:51:39 <mrmoku> shazkhan: you could just check which package owns /etc/passwd
May 30 15:51:41 <mrmoku> Q-Master: (deep sleep) well... dunno if I miss calls
May 30 15:52:12 <Q-Master> mrmoku: it show None in network and I am unable to make calls. That was never seen on fso-abyss
May 30 15:52:18 <Q-Master> I have a 1024 fix
May 30 15:52:40 <shazkhan> mrmoku: I saw passwd in initscripts ... by the way how do I check package owns /etc/passwd?
May 30 15:52:58 <mrmoku> Q-Master: I don't... and so I have deep sleep = never
May 30 15:53:18 <Q-Master> JaMa: and you?
May 30 15:53:36 <Q-Master> JaMa: ^^^^^
May 30 15:54:10 <mrmoku> shazkhan: with 'opkg search <file>'
May 30 15:54:26 <shazkhan> k
May 30 15:54:49 <mrmoku> shazkhan: gives no result for /etc/passwd though :/
May 30 15:54:50 <mrmoku> shazkhan: and might be generated when doing the image too
May 30 15:55:45 <Q-Master> ~seen panicking
May 30 15:55:46 <apt> panicking <~michael@mail1-urbizone.urbizone.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 112d 49m 18s ago, saying: 'ok'.
May 30 15:55:55 <Q-Master> heh
May 30 16:11:31 <vanous123> Q-Master: same issues here
May 30 16:11:52 <vanous123> not sure if relares to deep_sleep, but yes, i du have it on and hw fix applied
May 30 16:12:00 <vanous123> relates*
May 30 16:12:38 <Q-Master> vanous123: I've disabled deep sleep and it it not loosing the net now. 8(
May 30 16:12:49 <vanous123> oh
May 30 16:13:19 <vanous123> yesterday, i completely lost the ability to connect to the network, then, for some strange reason, my system stopped working
May 30 16:13:23 <Q-Master> need to check if it will while on power
May 30 16:13:29 <vanous123> i am still yet to see what was it as my uSD was quite ok
May 30 16:14:04 <vanous123> but now i am unable to run shr, unless i hold pwr to enable qi noisy verbose mode
May 30 16:15:11 <vanous123> so the verbose helped to get it booted, now it works with quiet again...
May 30 16:15:23 <vanous123> not sure what it was...
May 30 16:15:43 <Q-Master> very strange
May 30 16:15:45 <vanous123> hmm
May 30 16:16:02 <vanous123> but i will try to set deep_sleep to never again, to see the difference
May 30 16:17:02 <Q-Master> TAsn: again <X> is lost and not falling out while clicked on top bar.
May 30 16:17:30 <TAsn> Yeah, I also noticed that :(
May 30 16:17:37 <TAsn> It's because we don't start apps in the e way
May 30 16:17:40 <TAsn> which is bad
May 30 16:18:53 <leviathan> GNUtoo: hi
May 30 16:19:08 <GNUtoo> leviathan, hi
May 30 16:20:53 <leviathan> mtd msm nand driver of qualcomm is such a hell of ununderstandable
May 30 16:20:55 <leviathan> -.-
May 30 16:21:41 <leviathan> im tinkering on it since nearly two months and I did not write a single line of working code >_<
May 30 16:21:49 <leviathan> this fuck is driving me crazy
May 30 16:21:50 <leviathan> ...
May 30 16:24:11 <leviathan> GNUtoo: I'll write Arve Hjønnevåg
May 30 16:24:27 <leviathan> git blames him as creator of this driver ;-)
May 30 16:24:33 <leviathan> perhaps he has any idea
May 30 16:24:40 <leviathan> how we can implement subpage size reading
May 30 16:24:43 <leviathan> i do NOT
May 30 16:27:33 <GNUtoo> leviathan, ok
May 30 16:28:00 <GNUtoo> leviathan, there is a msm kenrel list
May 30 16:28:03 <GNUtoo> cc to it
May 30 16:32:11 <leviathan> hmm, ok
May 30 16:32:34 <leviathan> can you give me the adress? ^_^
May 30 16:33:43 <leviathan> GNUtoo: I fear I'm not registered there
May 30 16:33:49 <GNUtoo> ok
May 30 16:33:54 <GNUtoo> it's one of the kernel lists
May 30 16:33:56 <GNUtoo> I'll look
May 30 16:33:58 <leviathan> ok
May 30 16:34:03 <leviathan> I've sent the email
May 30 16:34:10 <leviathan> as soon as I'm registered
May 30 16:34:18 <leviathan> I'll send a second one to this list
May 30 16:34:19 <leviathan> :-)
May 30 16:34:24 <leviathan> serialized cc
May 30 16:35:10 <GNUtoo> linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org
May 30 16:35:21 <GNUtoo> maybe you need to suscribe before sending
May 30 16:36:13 <leviathan> I'll do so
May 30 16:50:10 <leviathan> GNUtoo: ooops
May 30 16:50:13 <leviathan> sent it twice
May 30 16:50:17 <leviathan> anyway
May 30 16:50:23 <leviathan> its sent -_-
May 30 16:50:24 <GNUtoo> ok
May 30 16:57:15 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, hi
May 30 16:59:17 <leviathan> mickeyl: hi
May 30 16:59:50 <shazkhan> mickeyl: hi :)
May 30 17:00:06 <leviathan> mickeyl: perhaps we can overtake the google slave which wrote the nand driver for msm devices for our purposes xD
May 30 17:00:57 <leviathan> I'll try to tickle at least a rudimentary patch for subpage size reading out of him :)
May 30 17:01:28 * leviathan made a joke
May 30 17:01:56 <leviathan> I wrote an email to the original author of the msm nand driver
May 30 17:02:08 <leviathan> asking him to help us implement subpagesize reading
May 30 17:02:13 <leviathan> hope he will cooperate
May 30 17:04:38 <JaMa> Q-Master: don't know about lost registration in deep sleep (/me using telephony very little)
May 30 17:10:32 <leviathan> I also do phonecalls not very often
May 30 17:10:45 <leviathan> only for works and so
May 30 18:23:14 <PaulFertser> mickey|pad: hey, how do you like that new invention of the evil corp? ;)
May 30 18:25:09 <mickey|pad> PaulFertser: Great Hardware, good Software, will definitely become a huge success. Lack of Multitasking is somewhat annyoying, but that will Change with Os 4
May 30 18:25:55 <PaulFertser> mickey|pad: how do they solve the problem that you're approaching with the FSO Resources concept?
May 30 18:27:47 <mickey|pad> PaulFertser: They don't. GPS and BT need to Be activated manually :/
May 30 18:28:12 <mickey|pad> accelerometers are always on
May 30 18:28:35 <mickey|pad> Same for wifi and GSM
May 30 18:28:41 <PaulFertser> mickey|pad: and yet they say it's suitable for e-books so the overall consumption must be pretty low (even with such a big and wonderful display).
May 30 18:31:31 <mickey|pad> PaulFertser: Well, they have a pretty Big battery in there. On the iphone it's very bad, but on the pad it's incredible. then again, it's very Heavy
May 30 18:31:58 <PaulFertser> mickey|pad: how much is the battery?
May 30 18:33:33 <mickey|pad> No idea in technical Data, but it almost fills the Whole Device - pcb is Tiny
May 30 18:35:45 <PaulFertser> mickey|pad: is that your new platform for dayjob? Well, so strange: i guess most of us wouldn't like it to be successful (as it takes more and more freedom away from the mobile world) and yet it's the same thing that should give you money for a living.
May 30 18:36:36 <mickey|pad> PaulFertser: Yes, i need to have all that to earn Money atm. Still trying to acquire fso relaxed work, but it is very hard
May 30 18:36:57 <mickey|pad> Err, related, not relaxed
May 30 18:37:19 <PaulFertser> I mean life is a strange thing in general. Luckily we have irony to cope with that.
May 30 18:37:28 <mickey|pad> So true
May 30 18:37:54 <mickey|pad> Does Anyone Know the protocol spoken between gsm Modem and GPRS ap?
May 30 18:38:17 <mickey|pad> Id like to roll an down server for fso push notifications and stuf
May 30 18:39:19 <mickey|pad> S/down/own/
May 30 18:39:39 <mickey|pad> This Input correction Sucks Big Time....
May 30 18:48:21 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: are you using deep sleep?
May 30 18:49:15 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: it looks like what you want is to run your own GGSN, and Harald was actively involved in just that recently, taking over the OpenGGSN project etc.
May 30 18:49:38 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: i mean you want your users to activate another PDP context using your own server for APN etc.
May 30 18:49:42 <PaulFertser> Right?
May 30 18:50:09 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: i'm sure Harald will be able to clarify this whole mess of layers (though he already somewhat did on his blog).
May 30 18:50:22 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: i hope so. Let me check.
May 30 18:51:23 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: and i'm not sure you can activate a custom PDP without some help from the operator, unfortunately. It would be nice to be proven wrong.
May 30 18:52:22 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: have you ever got network loosing after some suspend/resume cycles?
May 30 18:52:28 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, | Requested 'vala-1.0 >= 0.8.1.2' but version of Vala is 0.8.1.1
May 30 18:52:36 <[Rui]> hi all
May 30 18:52:41 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: once i think, and that's probably an unrelated calypso bug.
May 30 18:52:45 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: hey :)
May 30 18:52:45 <GNUtoo> mickeyl, the inc file say to contact the maintainer before bumping
May 30 18:54:37 <Q-Master> mickeyl: while not suspended no network loosing yet.
May 30 18:57:02 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: 2010-05-26T06:37:54.123398Z [INFO]  libfsotransport <0710:2>: SRC: "%SLEEP=4" -> [ "EXT: I", "OK" ]
May 30 18:59:00 * [Rui] would love to try a new kernel :)
May 30 19:01:58 <Q-Master> PaulFertser: I have that too.
May 30 19:02:33 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: proves i'm using deep sleep, right?
May 30 19:03:08 <Q-Master> mickeyl: any possibility to check 1024 problem from logs now?
May 30 19:09:55 <Q-Master> mickeyl: 2010-05-30T19:10:03.384418Z [WARN]  TiCalypsoModem <4C>: No handler for URC %CSSN w/ rhs 1,0,A11202010102013B300A04010F0405AA184C36020, please report to Mickey <smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org>
May 30 19:10:17 <Q-Master> mickeyl: 2010-05-30T19:10:08.578702Z [WARN]  TiCalypsoModem <4C>: No handler for URC %CSSN w/ rhs 0,2,A2819602010130819002013B30818A04014804818404110430043B0430043D0441002000330039002E0038003600200440002E002004140435043D04350436043D044B04350020043F0435044004350432043E0434044B0020002D002004420435043F04350440044C002004410020043C043E04310438043B044C043D043E0433043E002100200418043D0444043E00200033003100310031, please report to M
May 30 19:10:17 <Q-Master> ickey <smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org>
May 30 19:16:15 <GNUtoo> hi mickeyl 
May 30 20:03:30 <liori> is it possible to use dhcp over usb? `udhcpc usb0` gives me "No such device", while it is listed in `ifconfig`
May 30 20:57:55 <shazkhan> [Rui]: Try 2.6.33
May 30 20:58:51 <[Rui]> shazkhan: I don't have much time to learn about the innards... if people are working on 2.6.32 and 2.6.34, I'm willing to test those kernels :)
May 30 20:58:56 <Weiss> [Rui]: trying to reproduce your problems by testing the new kernels on my other FR right now... may have some things for you to test
May 30 20:59:34 <[Rui]> Weiss: all right!
May 30 21:00:04 <[Rui]> but perhaps tomorrow afternoon. I'll be working ("day"job) a big part of this night so I'll sleep in tomorrow.
May 30 21:00:25 <shazkhan> [Rui]: I see your results on the mailing lists about the other two and you asked for some kernel testing so I gave an idea ....
May 30 21:00:28 <[Rui]> in the afternoon I will not be in a state of doing good work, so even though it'll be hard for me to sleep, I'll stay at home
May 30 21:02:44 <Weiss> yeah.. could be a little while for me as well (I'm doing theatre stuff as well as dayjob at the moment), but just to let you know I'm looking at it..
May 30 21:03:14 <[Rui]> Weiss: theatre stuff? neat! what do you do?
May 30 21:03:58 <Weiss> [Rui]: lighting and sound stuff
May 30 21:04:23 <[Rui]> cool
May 30 21:04:25 <shazkhan> Is the suspen/resume fixed for 2.6.34?
May 30 21:04:40 <lindi-> shazkhan: the bug is still open as I see
May 30 21:04:44 <JaMa> shazkhan: it's slow but works
May 30 21:05:22 <shazkhan> better than not working
May 30 21:05:24 <lindi-> JaMa: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2339 says "it wouldn't wake up"
May 30 21:05:29 <[Rui]> JaMa: not really!
May 30 21:05:44 <lindi-> JaMa: has it been fixed after that?
May 30 21:06:09 <[Rui]> JaMa: yesterday afternoon I installed 2.6.34 and had 2337.
May 30 21:06:57 <[Rui]> as I picked up my phone and went to m y room to get dressed for going out, it wouldn't stay suspended (resumed automatically every few seconds)
May 30 21:07:22 <[Rui]> so I let it stay idle until suspend and it stayed suspended... ever after and untill I took out the battery :|
May 30 21:08:21 <JaMa> ah so "for me it's only slow, but works"
May 30 21:08:35 <[Rui]> JaMa: I had that thing, as well
May 30 21:08:42 <[Rui]> JaMa: but then I had what I just described
May 30 21:08:50 <[Rui]> which is why I related both bugs
May 30 21:08:51 <shazkhan> JaMa: Did you try what [Rui] did?
May 30 21:08:57 <JaMa> lindi-: and nothing changed in between
May 30 21:09:35 <JaMa> I think that what Rui see is issue we also have with 2.6.29
May 30 21:09:42 <JaMa> when after resume wrong vt is used
May 30 21:09:59 <JaMa> and xserver is not shown
May 30 21:10:20 <[Rui]> JaMa: the screen was black as in backlight turned off
May 30 21:10:28 <JaMa> Heinervdm was analyzing it.. but it wasn't fixed afaik
May 30 21:10:49 <JaMa> there were few reports about it on ML too
May 30 21:11:05 <[Rui]> and I never had it with 2.6.29
May 30 21:11:08 <JaMa> someone even asked to call chvt 2 after resume or map AUX to call chvt 2
May 30 21:11:36 <lindi-> hah
May 30 21:11:38 <Weiss> I would test it if the latest images could even boot for me :S
May 30 21:11:42 <JaMa> [Rui]: i never had it with any kernel.. Heinervdm found it in _some_ images
May 30 21:11:47 <Weiss> (I get WEIRD filesystem errors on NAND)
May 30 21:12:16 <JaMa> [Rui]: then it went away automagicaly with older image opkg upgrade to the same image (which was bad before)
May 30 21:12:18 <[Rui]> Weiss: I got those for some time, attributed them to NAND wear down and never used NAND again
May 30 21:13:40 <Weiss> hmm.. possible I suppose. what weirdnesses did you have?
May 30 21:14:23 <[Rui]> Weiss: installed fresh images, which wouldn't even start booting, or started having weird error messages (I can't remeber any now), etc...
May 30 21:15:44 <Weiss> [Rui]: I get something a little more subtle.. most recently, the FS failed to remount as read-write or something, and getty wouldn't start. previously, I've had random .so files actually being folders containing other stuff
May 30 21:16:05 <[Rui]> Weiss: that's one of the messages!
May 30 21:16:18 <[Rui]> the remount as read-write or sth
May 30 21:17:03 <Weiss> ...but if I re-flash back to an older image, it's fine again
May 30 21:17:32 <JaMa> Weiss: which image failed for you like this? do you remember?
May 30 21:17:48 <Weiss> JaMa: the latest, as of about thursday I think
May 30 21:18:00 <Weiss> lite jffs2 image
May 30 21:18:07 <[Rui]> Weiss: in my case, an image that I had been using (at the time I was much more wary of doing opkg upgrade) no longer booted
May 30 21:18:21 <JaMa> ok, I'll try it, thanks
May 30 21:19:37 * JaMa reflashing to gcc-4.5.0+ built image
May 30 21:23:03 <Weiss> hmm.. resolution change broke in 2.6.34, so I take back anything I said about 2.6.32 and 2.6.34 supposedly behaving the same
May 30 21:39:14 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: yes, a custom context is what i'm after. I guess we need to try whether we can connect to those -- also how the billing is
May 30 21:39:56 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: this may be relatively complicated; it would probably be more suitable to do it with fake push services
May 30 21:40:34 <mickeyl> i.e. just having a tcp connection open to some kind of data server that can send you information when something interesting happens
May 30 21:41:00 <mickeyl> may even be "almost like push" if you can sleep during PDP
May 30 21:44:34 <[Rui]> lindi-: did you ever notice sudden freezes with 2.6.3x?
May 30 21:45:07 <[Rui]> lindi-: and is it an accident that a longer power press doesn't power off as it did previously?
May 30 21:45:13 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: and freerunner can sleep during PDP, yes. Alas here operators started to round _up_ all GPRS traffic to 100k every hour.
May 30 21:45:29 <mickeyl> bah, suckers :/
May 30 21:45:49 <lindi-> [Rui]: i still using 2.6.29
May 30 21:45:56 <lindi-> +am
May 30 21:46:13 <[Rui]> lindi-: oh... 
May 30 21:46:58 <[Rui]> well, I gotta try to sleep a couple of hours before work... see ya all
May 30 21:48:50 <shazkhan> same here ... night night ...
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