**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 02 02:59:57 2010 Jul 02 08:27:44 mickeyl: btw. did you get my mail and is it of any use? Jul 02 09:46:11 trying to send mail to smartphones-userland for several days, but just get a 451 temporary local problem reply Jul 02 09:46:17 others seem to come through.. Jul 02 09:54:55 roh, ping ^ Jul 02 10:04:03 playya: for smartphones-userland? Jul 02 10:09:21 yes Jul 02 10:09:48 indeed Jul 02 10:14:09 playya: ok :) Jul 02 10:14:29 fixed? Jul 02 10:16:05 no Jul 02 10:16:18 afair roh is the admin for this machine Jul 02 11:36:27 50 people arrested for for using smartphone spying tools.. http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001979.html Jul 02 11:38:08 * JaMa finally understoods the fuzz about smartphone security.. if you have jealous wife willing to pay someone to install some backdoor to your smartphone then yes we're quite vulnerable... good that I'm loyal and reflash a lot :) Jul 02 11:38:33 'don't leave your phone unattended' Jul 02 11:38:43 faithful.. Jul 02 11:39:23 JaMa: :P Jul 02 11:40:33 and well currently single again :/ Jul 02 11:42:56 * gena2x never thought about this aspect. installing sound recording software to competitor phone sounds devastating... Jul 02 11:43:58 * mrmoku wonders if FR buzz was invented for that... to make those recordings unusable ;) Jul 02 11:46:37 mrmoku: if spying is so common usage, then maybe we should add something to shr feeds :) Jul 02 11:47:06 JaMa, a rootkit detector? :P Jul 02 11:47:10 * gena2x thinks opposite: buzz is only effective during calls. so it was implemented for some other dark reason. May be to kill nice opensource project, to not let people to control their phones. Jul 02 11:47:23 JaMa: or some spy tools? :P Jul 02 11:47:24 j/k, once we do proper user separation Jul 02 11:47:26 TAsn: I was thinking the other way :) Jul 02 11:47:31 :) Jul 02 11:47:39 spy tools: been there done that. Jul 02 11:47:43 I have a bunch :P Jul 02 11:47:45 (for the fr) Jul 02 11:47:48 TAsn: hidden sms forwarder and call recorder etc Jul 02 11:47:55 arecord is spy tool? Jul 02 11:48:05 gena2x, yes. Jul 02 11:48:07 sms2rk... to make them remoteley installable by sending an sms ;) Jul 02 11:48:20 mrmoku, you know what I have. Jul 02 11:48:23 :) Jul 02 11:48:25 and we could ship that within the lite image :) Jul 02 11:48:28 I have something that lets you call in to the phone Jul 02 11:48:29 TAsn: yeah Jul 02 11:48:32 for a specific number Jul 02 11:48:35 make it *not* ring Jul 02 11:48:38 then you enter a pin Jul 02 11:48:54 and you control the phone Jul 02 11:48:57 google can remove apps remotelly, we would be able to install rootkits :) Jul 02 11:48:58 same with sms :P Jul 02 11:50:02 bad that fr doesn't have camera Jul 02 11:50:10 yeah Jul 02 11:57:12 * JaMa leaving, cya on Wednesday... Jul 02 11:57:24 JaMa: have fun Jul 02 12:59:12 mrmoku: I can't press "+" in dialer anymore. Jul 02 13:05:16 I knew it. Jul 02 13:05:22 When I saw slyon's patch Jul 02 13:05:27 I figured there will be an issue Jul 02 13:05:30 Q-Master, sec. Jul 02 13:06:02 Q-Master, p.s: sorry. Jul 02 13:06:20 Q-Master, in the meanwhile dial with 00 (or whatever it is where you live at) Jul 02 13:06:48 nah. 8 instead of +7 roxx 8) Jul 02 13:08:49 anyway gsm works very unstable now 8( Jul 02 13:11:06 haven't noticed. Jul 02 13:15:13 mickey|office: ping Jul 02 13:16:04 Q-Master: in which way unstable? Jul 02 13:17:41 Q-Master, sorry, fixed :P Jul 02 13:17:49 Q-Master, do you have an email I can send you the fixed file to? Jul 02 13:17:53 SHR: 03tom 07libphone-ui-shr * r5cb25cd286af 10/data/keypad.edc: keypad: 0 is a special key, treat it differently. Jul 02 13:18:09 Q-Master, or do you prefer waiting for the package to build? Jul 02 13:18:20 mrmoku, please build libphone-ui-shr :P Jul 02 13:18:34 TAsn: that fix was faster than my GPS :P Jul 02 13:18:41 :P Jul 02 13:19:00 Well, just for your information, you should NEVER trust me when it comes to navigation. Jul 02 13:19:10 so although slower, gps still has some advantages. Jul 02 13:20:30 :) Jul 02 13:20:31 building Jul 02 13:20:34 thanks. Jul 02 13:20:46 Q-Master, nvm about email, just wait for the upgrade. Jul 02 13:23:35 mrmoku, please let Q-Master know when it's done. Jul 02 13:23:48 k Jul 02 13:24:03 p.s concerning to the fix Jul 02 13:24:13 I already thought there was an issue when I reviewed it Jul 02 13:24:19 so I looked through the patch Jul 02 13:24:24 searching for "+" Jul 02 13:24:31 but saw nothing interesting Jul 02 13:24:37 so although I remembered it was done in theme Jul 02 13:24:40 I assumed Jul 02 13:25:06 I was wrong and it's in code :P Jul 02 13:25:15 Obviously I was wrong (or right?) Jul 02 13:25:32 so fixing it now just meant doing what I knew I should do when I did it in the first place :P Jul 02 13:25:34 bah. :) Jul 02 13:26:29 hehe :P Jul 02 13:32:17 Q-Master: fix in feed Jul 02 13:33:08 thanks. Jul 02 13:40:24 mrmoku: hi Jul 02 13:41:04 mickey|office: hey Jul 02 13:41:09 mickey|office: got my mail? Jul 02 13:41:15 mickey|office: if so... ignore it :P Jul 02 13:42:05 mickey|office: I reflashed and now GPRS is stable... having a ping running this about two hours now Jul 02 13:42:15 i got it, but it didn't help me in any way, since it did not expose any anormal behaviouir Jul 02 13:42:21 don't know what was up... bad upgrade... or something corrupted Jul 02 13:42:27 ok, glad to hear Jul 02 13:42:33 oh yes :) Jul 02 17:32:21 anyone here going to akademy2010 btw? Jul 02 17:54:13 mrmoku, will germany win tomorrow? Jul 02 17:54:18 yes Jul 02 17:54:24 :D Jul 02 17:54:26 :P Jul 02 17:54:27 TAsn: sure ;) Jul 02 17:54:48 mickey|wm, now I know they key to your heart, talking about fso doesn't result in so fast responses. Jul 02 17:54:58 hehehe Jul 02 17:55:15 mickey|wm, now that I got you, what do you think about adding phone filtering to fso? Jul 02 17:55:20 i.e when I issue a call request Jul 02 17:55:30 " (3) 123-456" Jul 02 17:55:32 numbers will work Jul 02 17:55:41 I already wrote the functions in libphone-utils Jul 02 17:55:45 you just need to use them. Jul 02 17:55:47 sounds good, no need to offload that to the clients Jul 02 17:56:28 phone_utils_remove_filler_chars(char *number); Jul 02 17:56:33 modifies the number itself. Jul 02 17:56:42 thanks, will take a look Jul 02 17:56:56 will spend some time with ezx on weekend Jul 02 17:56:58 thank you, let me know, as currently I do it in shr Jul 02 17:57:02 ezx? Jul 02 17:57:08 motorola's old family Jul 02 17:57:16 something is sucking battery with the new kernel :/ Jul 02 17:57:18 someone from openezx has prepared fso2 support Jul 02 17:57:33 mrmoku, we just talked about it on dinner, we said that we would cheer for germany if they didn't keep englands ass :P Jul 02 17:57:40 mrmoku, also noticed slugishness. Jul 02 17:57:47 mickey|wm, omg-cool! Jul 02 17:58:04 yeah. one more platform for fso2, no matter whether it's old or not Jul 02 17:58:24 on the contrary, old platforms are great Jul 02 17:58:32 that's how you get to user's hearts Jul 02 17:58:35 mickey|wm: zx spectrum? 8) Jul 02 17:58:45 you bring life to old devices. Jul 02 17:58:56 Q-Master: heh, no gsm ;) Jul 02 18:17:22 ok listen guys Jul 02 18:17:40 I'm bored and I want to save the "Failed adding contact issue" Jul 02 18:17:53 Who can help me and let me know exactly when it happens? :P Jul 02 18:31:44 TAsn: random suspicion: to do with contact names being too long for the SIM? Jul 02 18:32:12 Weiss: we don't save on SIM anymore Jul 02 18:33:06 ok :) Jul 02 18:34:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rcf19d0ae9090 10/libfsobasics/ (fsobasics/utilities.vala tests/testutilities.vala): libfsobasics: add StringHandling.filterByAllowedCharacters() Jul 02 18:34:20 :P Jul 02 18:34:31 mickey|sofa, :P Jul 02 18:34:35 ;) Jul 02 18:35:16 i'm actually surprised that such a function doesn't exist in glib Jul 02 18:35:45 yeah, that's pretty useful, I was also surprised. Jul 02 18:36:17 ah wait Jul 02 18:36:18 there is Jul 02 18:36:25 really? Jul 02 18:36:31 :| Jul 02 18:36:44 Replaces all occurances of the pattern in regex with the replacement text. Jul 02 18:37:17 mickey|sofa, let me know when you use it in calls/sms so I'll be able to drop it from libphone-ui Jul 02 18:37:18 what about the w and p dos1 proposed? Jul 02 18:37:29 TAsn: will do Jul 02 18:37:39 mrmoku: ? Jul 02 18:37:50 w = wait for call to be established Jul 02 18:37:54 TAsn: it often happens after dialing contact with multiple phones from contacts. Jul 02 18:37:54 p = pause for 1 s Jul 02 18:37:57 in dialstrings Jul 02 18:38:31 mickey|sofa: to be able to send PINs and such Jul 02 18:38:49 iirc that should be transparently supported by the modem Jul 02 18:38:55 ohh :) Jul 02 18:38:58 mickey|sofa, A,B, # and * are also allowed. Jul 02 18:38:59 so if we allow those characters through, it should just work Jul 02 18:39:10 dos1: did you ever try? :P Jul 02 18:39:25 TAsn: yep Jul 02 18:43:05 mrmoku: i didn't, just wrote how it worked on my old nokia :P Jul 02 18:43:49 dos1: :) Jul 02 18:47:35 mickey|sofa, ps, what do you think is the best way to implementing default numbers in opimd? Jul 02 18:47:38 API-wise Jul 02 18:47:39 that is Jul 02 18:48:58 what do you mean with default numbers? Jul 02 18:49:08 for people who have more than one number Jul 02 18:49:12 exactly Jul 02 18:49:13 like work, personal, work 2 Jul 02 18:49:23 I need a way to know which is the default one Jul 02 18:49:24 so when you call TAsn, you get the default number Jul 02 18:49:51 wouldn't it be better to set a order of number ? Jul 02 18:49:57 no Jul 02 18:50:08 Wait Jul 02 18:50:11 what do you mean? Jul 02 18:50:15 if we have voip, and a gsm fallback ? Jul 02 18:50:20 sorry for fast no :P Jul 02 18:50:42 or if the first one is busy, switch to the 2nd one ? Jul 02 18:50:43 misc, I see. Jul 02 18:50:50 the second idea is bad Jul 02 18:50:58 as I'm usually against bugging people :P Jul 02 18:51:04 If he's busy he's busy :P Jul 02 18:51:13 as for the first idea Jul 02 18:51:24 that's not on opimd's side Jul 02 18:51:32 i.e we need a default for calls Jul 02 18:51:37 but if he does not respond maybe... Jul 02 18:51:42 TAsn: busy, or not answering because he is on another location Jul 02 18:51:43 (or she for that :P Jul 02 18:51:53 mrmoku, so do you want it automatically to start calling his home and then office?! Jul 02 18:52:06 in the middle of the night?! Jul 02 18:52:09 more like first try office 1, then office 2 Jul 02 18:52:25 I don't think it's quite useful Jul 02 18:52:30 I mean it's one of those features Jul 02 18:52:35 that we'll spend time on implementing Jul 02 18:52:39 and users will never use Jul 02 18:52:44 as they are two complicated Jul 02 18:52:54 and the only way of knowing them is reading through the manual Jul 02 18:52:57 damn Jul 02 18:52:59 and it'll only make the UI more complex. Jul 02 18:53:04 probably yeah Jul 02 18:53:12 s//I'm an idiot/g Jul 02 18:53:12 my neo constantly unsuspends Jul 02 18:53:16 so then a single setDefault, getDefault ? Jul 02 18:53:22 I hope this will fix my writing habits :P Jul 02 18:53:34 in several seconds after suspend Jul 02 18:53:35 misc, no, as you want a default voip, default gsm, default sms etc Jul 02 18:53:47 or at least, default call, default sms Jul 02 18:54:01 BUT Jul 02 18:54:07 misc, I honestly feel like an idiot Jul 02 18:54:14 As you suggested the only proper solution Jul 02 18:54:17 in 3 minutes Jul 02 18:54:21 so then a single setDefault, getDefault ? Jul 02 18:54:26 that's how it should be done Jul 02 18:54:39 mrmoku: don't you have such an issue? Jul 02 18:54:44 well, i suggested stupid idea before too :) Jul 02 18:54:55 misc, not to me :P Jul 02 18:54:57 Q-Master: I had some resumes I didn't understand... but not constantly Jul 02 18:55:02 ffs Jul 02 18:55:13 TAsn: wrong key ;) Jul 02 18:55:20 yeah. Jul 02 18:55:30 * mickey|sofa agrees while thinking a splendid opimd would compute a profile to improve number recommendation Jul 02 18:55:36 mrmoku: just tried to suspend 3 times. it resumed 3 times in 10-15 seconds after suspend Jul 02 18:55:53 Q-Master: hmm... gprs is off? Jul 02 18:56:00 mickey|sofa, what do you mean? Jul 02 18:56:02 mrmoku: it sho Jul 02 18:56:08 mrmoku: uld be Jul 02 18:56:10 Q-Master: and registration finished? Jul 02 18:56:20 mrmoku: several hours ago Jul 02 18:56:23 k Jul 02 18:56:26 TAsn: capturing the user's preferences automagically Jul 02 18:56:36 oh Jul 02 18:56:40 example: Jul 02 18:56:41 That would be awesome. Jul 02 18:56:48 mrmoku: I hope there's no autogprsup? Jul 02 18:56:56 Q-Master: no such thing :) Jul 02 18:56:59 i call my wife in the office usually always at a certain time during worktime Jul 02 18:57:05 i call her at home outside the office hours Jul 02 18:57:23 opimd could try to gather this into a profile Jul 02 18:57:27 and then recommend based on this info Jul 02 18:57:39 mrmoku: autosuspend helped Jul 02 18:57:39 not a simple task Jul 02 18:57:45 but would look like magic ;) Jul 02 18:58:31 misc, the problem with you suggestion is that there's a lot of overhead Jul 02 18:58:42 getDefault: bad, I don't want that. Jul 02 18:58:57 I prefer prefixing with * when it's a default Jul 02 18:58:58 mickey|sofa: the simple task is to check the time and recommend to call office or home phone looking on it Jul 02 18:59:16 or something like that Jul 02 18:59:17 Q-Master: not if your wife is working night shift ;) Jul 02 18:59:18 Q-Master: yes, but it should include probabilities to make it god Jul 02 18:59:19 but shit Jul 02 18:59:20 good Jul 02 18:59:23 this doesn't solve what I wanted. Jul 02 18:59:24 :| Jul 02 18:59:47 mrmoku: nah. my wife isn't working at all. 8) Jul 02 19:00:08 Ok, will just have to do something weird Jul 02 19:00:09 :P Jul 02 19:00:25 will add "CALL" and "SMS" fields that will be computed fields Jul 02 19:00:27 TAsn: well, getDefault( user, typeofservice) ? Jul 02 19:00:33 misc, overhead Jul 02 19:00:45 misc, calling dbus is slow Jul 02 19:00:51 I prefer getting it with the basic data tuple Jul 02 19:00:56 oh, this kind of overhead Jul 02 19:01:14 but using getDefault would allow to have fallback in opimd Jul 02 19:01:28 what do you mean by a fallback? Jul 02 19:01:30 and would allow to have smart default Jul 02 19:01:35 TAsn: we definitely need default number. it is random for now, but I'd prefer to set it rather then select it every time I need to call... Jul 02 19:01:40 TAsn: if i set nothing for sms, take the gsm number Jul 02 19:01:49 but indeed, this could be overkill, i agree Jul 02 19:01:59 Ok, I think I decided. Jul 02 19:02:04 two computed fields Jul 02 19:02:08 CALL and SMS Jul 02 19:02:19 and e-mail and www 8) Jul 02 19:02:21 ok I haven't decided. Jul 02 19:02:26 sec Jul 02 19:02:27 :P Jul 02 19:02:42 That's why I want it generic. Jul 02 19:02:54 OK, how about this? Jul 02 19:02:59 the default fields Jul 02 19:03:10 will be returned as a tuple Jul 02 19:03:14 i.e Jul 02 19:03:16 atm it's Jul 02 19:03:22 TAsn: on SE P1i I can set the default phone and that's all. easy and working. Jul 02 19:03:36 { "Phone": "123", "Name": "TAsn" } Jul 02 19:03:41 so now it should be Jul 02 19:04:12 { "Name": "TAsn, "Default": ("Phone": "123") } Jul 02 19:04:18 { "Name": "TAsn, "Default": ("Phone": "123", ) } Jul 02 19:04:19 that is Jul 02 19:04:36 but it doesn't solve the SMS vs CALL issue I still have Jul 02 19:04:37 seems complicated Jul 02 19:04:41 but it's getting there. Jul 02 19:04:47 Q-Master, complicated to who? Jul 02 19:04:58 to me Jul 02 19:05:06 as a user or a dev? Jul 02 19:05:11 that's what I mean Jul 02 19:05:12 i think it is easy Jul 02 19:05:14 as the user wouldn't know Jul 02 19:05:18 as a developer user. 8) Jul 02 19:05:24 Q-Master, user won't know Jul 02 19:05:29 so it can only be developer :P Jul 02 19:05:39 * Q-Master gone asleep Jul 02 19:05:40 i am not thrilled by the lack of abstraction, but as you said, abstraction is not "free" Jul 02 19:05:53 misc, this is totally abstract! Jul 02 19:06:06 Hey, devs. Why do not you try the latest fsogsmd rev on FR to find and debug some show-stopper bugs? ;) Jul 02 19:06:08 you get a default for each type Jul 02 19:06:25 Am i the only one who tried flowcontrolled node enhancement? Jul 02 19:06:34 TAsn: well, not enough to handle the stuff proposed by mickey|sofa about dynamic deault number :) Jul 02 19:06:37 Q-Master, And as a developer (with both opimd and the other side experience) I think it's good. Jul 02 19:06:46 misc, why not? Jul 02 19:06:56 TAsn: no TTL :p Jul 02 19:07:00 sec Jul 02 19:07:03 reading what mickey|sofa wrote Jul 02 19:07:05 again Jul 02 19:07:29 Oh, yeah Jul 02 19:07:36 that's terribly annoying to design. Jul 02 19:07:38 :P Jul 02 19:07:42 But I don't like it anyway Jul 02 19:07:43 yup Jul 02 19:07:56 As I don't think it's a good idea to do stuff behind the users back Jul 02 19:07:57 i think having a simple stuff first is good in fact Jul 02 19:08:08 misc, nah, design should be solid, I don't like breaking API :P Jul 02 19:08:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re001994d320f 10/fsogsmd/src/lib/ (atcommands.vala consts.vala): fsogsmd: atcommands: clean phone number before dialling based on TAsn's suggestion Jul 02 19:08:30 TAsn: it is solid, if we want to have more, we can built on top of that Jul 02 19:08:47 mickey|sofa, thanks. Jul 02 19:08:48 PaulFertser: we will soon have to :P ^^ Jul 02 19:08:58 mickey|sofa, so I'm removing it from libphoneui :P Jul 02 19:09:12 TAsn: give me a day to test it tomorrow Jul 02 19:09:19 let me know. Jul 02 19:09:23 yep Jul 02 19:09:33 * mickey|sofa continues watching Ghana playing Jul 02 19:09:34 l8er Jul 02 19:09:42 go Ghana go :) Jul 02 19:09:50 yep Jul 02 19:11:54 This game is amazingly shitty comparing to the game we watched earlier Jul 02 19:12:08 I'm so sad brazil lost, they were so awesome and they play so nicely. Jul 02 19:12:31 P.S I think this is the dirtiest world cup ever Jul 02 19:12:47 it's like the players are not aware that there are video cams Jul 02 19:12:53 all around the place. Jul 02 19:12:58 heh, yes amazing Jul 02 19:13:18 Well, this time they literally got too many bumps on the head :P Jul 02 19:15:02 omg, ouch Jul 02 19:15:09 Just watched the slow replay :| Jul 02 19:15:18 yeah ouch :( Jul 02 19:15:36 I think he definitely broke his arm or something Jul 02 19:15:38 no Jul 02 19:15:45 weird, he's ok. Jul 02 19:17:17 TAsn: watching with vlc and the vuvuzelautlos filter is much nicer :) Jul 02 19:18:17 mind providing a link? Jul 02 19:18:22 moment Jul 02 19:18:24 (to the live streaming) Jul 02 19:18:31 I don't have vlc Jul 02 19:18:40 but I'm watching it on tv :( Jul 02 19:18:52 actually nvm, tv is decent enough Jul 02 19:18:55 http://www.ind.rwth-aachen.de/de/forschung/tools/vuvuzelautlos/ Jul 02 19:19:36 I intend on watching all the games starting from tomorrow on HD anyway Jul 02 19:19:38 yo Jul 02 19:19:39 GOAL Jul 02 19:19:42 unbelievable Jul 02 19:19:48 1:0 Jul 02 19:19:49 :D Jul 02 19:19:51 :) Jul 02 19:19:53 0:1 Jul 02 19:20:13 I can't believe it Jul 02 19:20:21 what an awesome kick Jul 02 19:20:34 what a shot Jul 02 19:20:37 yeah Jul 02 19:20:37 like I did when I was young :P Jul 02 19:20:43 and awesome timing Jul 02 19:20:53 yeah perfect timing Jul 02 19:20:56 mrmoku, tomorrow morning I'm playing football with friends Jul 02 19:21:02 I will try doing the same :P Jul 02 19:21:07 :) Jul 02 19:21:13 * mrmoku needs a beer now Jul 02 19:21:21 Shit, forgot to buy new soccer shoes :( Jul 02 19:35:48 mrmoku: you don't need additional software, i suppress vuvuzelas using the alsa equalizer ;-) Jul 02 19:36:16 sleipnir: probably... but I'm not capabable when it comes to audio :P Jul 02 19:37:27 mrmoku: it's really easy you just need http://www.thedigitalmachine.net/alsaequal.html define the equalizer as your stdout and suppress the middle frequencies :-) Jul 02 19:38:00 mrmoku: but nevermind, choose what fits best :-) Jul 02 19:38:19 sleipnir: yeah :) Jul 02 19:38:39 mrmoku: that's what opensource is about, isn't it!? :-) Jul 02 19:38:47 choice :D Jul 02 19:45:08 hmm Jul 02 19:46:21 mickey|wm, yeah. Jul 02 19:46:34 was a good kick though Jul 02 19:48:56 mickey|wm: oh, I thought they would run out of breath after a week or so Jul 02 19:49:06 but it seems as they are still kicking poly-eders Jul 02 19:49:09 ^^ Jul 02 19:51:04 Polyhedron Jul 02 19:51:06 oh Jul 02 19:51:11 in english its so called Jul 02 19:51:12 ok Jul 02 19:51:16 good to know Jul 02 19:51:38 if I play dumb the next time in discussion with an English speaking Jul 02 19:51:39 xD Jul 02 19:52:24 what a goalkeeper ACTION Jul 02 19:53:11 hehe Jul 02 21:19:40 mickey|wm: shit happens :/ Jul 03 02:42:15 ahoi! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 03 02:59:56 2010