**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 22 02:59:56 2010 Jul 22 04:18:33 lindi-, hi, are you around ? Jul 22 04:19:19 leviathan: i've been using maxima on FR for almost two years Jul 22 04:19:27 gonzoism: yep for a second Jul 22 04:20:11 lindi-, oh. I was still having problems getting debian to boot. I'm betting it would take a little while. I can wait. :) Jul 22 04:20:25 lindi-, maybe tomorrow or the next day. :) Jul 22 04:57:33 lindi-: have you checked the bug about power consumption? Jul 22 05:40:02 Q-Master: yes Jul 22 05:40:10 #2349 Jul 22 08:56:10 mickey|office: my fsodeviced problems are solved by rebuilding... trying current fsogsmd now Jul 22 08:58:23 mrmoku: ok, glad to hear Jul 22 08:59:39 mrmoku: shuffling the +CFUN=1 around seems to have helped here. i can reliably bring the modem up with the (request,sendauth,setfunctionality)-sequence Jul 22 09:04:56 mickey|office: helped for me too... works like a charm up to now :-) Jul 22 09:11:09 who had problems with deep sleep yesterday? Jul 22 09:11:21 mickey|office: Q-Master always does ;) Jul 22 09:11:40 PaulFertser: well yes, i believe his #1024 fix is not working... Jul 22 09:11:59 mickey|office: you're wrong Jul 22 09:12:16 possible Jul 22 09:12:20 it is not recamping Jul 22 09:12:40 and due to logs fsogsmd just closes the modem some time Jul 22 09:13:07 perhaps the process shut down that requested the resource? Jul 22 09:13:13 can you see anything in fsousaged log? Jul 22 09:14:00 mickey|office: btw, i had a look at the n900 stuff. Basically, there's no documentation at all. The kernel driver is (luckily) upstream, the oFono code is quite clean and readable and they have "gisi" which can be seen as a library of several low-level helpers to use ISI. Jul 22 09:14:20 PaulFertser: ok, that's good and bad news Jul 22 09:17:28 mickey|office: but to actually use telephony one also needs some shitty PA plugin which is not yet free. Jul 22 09:17:53 uh oh Jul 22 09:18:04 audio routing? Jul 22 09:18:11 mickey|office: lack of ISI docs can be compensated by asking questions, as far as i understood nokia guys are ready to clarify dark spots if there're any. Jul 22 09:18:29 mickey|office: yes, as far as i understand Jul 22 09:20:07 ok. i knew it wouldn't go without problems Jul 22 09:24:22 apparantly gps is a nightmare as well Jul 22 09:28:31 mickey|office: nothing in fsousaged. the fsogsmd resumes from suspend and the next log thing is that it is closing the modem. But, calling dbus to open the modem fails telling that all channels are already allocated. I have a huge strace log with this Jul 22 09:41:12 closing right after suspend sounds interesting Jul 22 09:41:55 fsousaged tries to close resources when resume fails Jul 22 09:42:14 but then fsousaged debug log would have to read something like that Jul 22 09:43:06 mrmoku: does requesting, releasing, requesting, releasing, requesting the GSM resource work for you? Jul 22 09:43:18 if not, then there is an additional bug which needs to be fixed Jul 22 09:43:20 mickey|office: last time I tried it did not... retrying now Jul 22 09:43:37 i see, please pastebin a log when you have a chance Jul 22 09:44:24 yup Jul 22 09:45:07 mickey|office: i just had a call "interrupted" because i got another incoming at the same time :( Jul 22 09:45:49 mrmoku: does it reasonably work for the SHR users? Jul 22 09:46:37 PaulFertser: do we have a bug open for that ? Jul 22 09:46:50 mrmoku: but i'm using oeventsd for the scenario switching Jul 22 09:47:05 mickey|office: http://paste.debian.net/81124/ Jul 22 09:47:19 PaulFertser: hmm... I think I never had that... don't have personal experiences Jul 22 09:47:32 PaulFertser: but IIRC TAsn fixed that... not sure though Jul 22 09:47:45 mickey|office: probably... I'll get a brand-new log for the today's case sometime later. Jul 22 09:48:18 good Jul 22 09:48:42 mrmoku: i see, ok, that should be relatively simple to fix Jul 22 09:50:30 mickey|office: libgsm0710mux.log in case you need it: http://paste.debian.net/81125/ Jul 22 09:51:26 mrmoku: thanks. the channels are not being released, somewhere there's a powering down missing Jul 22 09:51:47 on reopening they are still allocated, hence opening fails Jul 22 09:52:06 yeah, that should be easy to fix :-) Jul 22 10:17:03 PaulFertser: flash_erase also erase OOB Jul 22 10:17:05 flash_erase /dev/mtd1 0 2 Jul 22 10:24:02 still. can't understand sdram! Jul 22 10:24:27 in my handwritten test (nothing else except poor/write): Jul 22 10:24:48 read: 70Mb/s, write 170Mb/s Jul 22 10:26:51 in my 600mhz x86 router, it is vice versa: read 290Mb/s, write 68Mb/s. Jul 22 10:27:15 also memcpy on neo is 54.6mb/s Jul 22 10:27:35 if i write it in assembler, it becomes 61Mb/s Jul 22 10:28:03 if i write 'write' in assempler, it is still 170Mb/s. Jul 22 10:28:46 gena2x: put the programs online to some repo and invite people to run them / guess where the problem is? ;) Jul 22 10:30:17 if i write 'read' in assembler it is 116mb/s (from 80 in C). Jul 22 11:15:03 lindi-: how do you build maxima in OE? Jul 22 11:15:13 is there already a recipe? Jul 22 11:16:15 0002 mok@gonzales[pts/3]:~/shrbuild-> ls openembedded/recipes/*/maxima* Jul 22 11:16:15 ls: Zugriff auf openembedded/recipes/*/maxima* nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden Jul 22 11:16:18 guess not so Jul 22 11:17:02 * JaMa rebuilding from scratch with khem's patches for cross removal Jul 22 11:17:13 we can expect another rebuild soon Jul 22 11:17:50 leviathan: I'm not using OE Jul 22 11:18:39 thats sad Jul 22 11:18:46 mickey|office: hi Jul 22 11:18:53 what about maxima in OE Jul 22 11:18:55 ? Jul 22 11:18:57 nono. that's nice :) Jul 22 11:20:05 leviathan: sad? ;) Jul 22 11:20:11 hi lev Jul 22 11:20:43 lindi-: yeah, I'm using SHR, thats OE Jul 22 11:22:45 hey, do someone know if cpu scheduler in Linux was changed between 2.6.29 and 2.6.32? Jul 22 11:23:07 leviathan: and I'm on debian :) Jul 22 11:23:28 lindi-: yes, thats the problem :-) Jul 22 11:23:41 now a solution Jul 22 11:23:50 gentoo has already maxima Jul 22 11:24:48 now better solution: debian has it too ;) Jul 22 11:26:36 dos1: would be interesting to find out why .32 is slighly slower than .29. Jul 22 11:26:43 dos1: no idea... but is .32 better or worse? Jul 22 11:27:01 ah Jul 22 11:28:33 mrmobil: .32 in git.openmoko.org does not support sound. so definitely worse :) Jul 22 11:29:35 lindi-: yeah, sbdy wo\ith access should commit our patches Jul 22 11:30:03 or just make other branch Jul 22 11:30:05 but i ment schedulerwise Jul 22 11:30:14 gena2x: 2.6.32-usable? ;) Jul 22 11:31:21 lindi-: -below-larcs-uglynessmark :) Jul 22 11:31:54 mrmobil: that's wild quess, but maybe those lockups are scheduler related? Jul 22 11:32:04 gena2x: ok. I just don't understand how a branch that is not used by anybody is useful. it won't get much testing for sure Jul 22 11:32:20 mrmobil: those are not really lockups, just masive slow downs (but effectively lockups :P) Jul 22 11:32:37 dos1: check your interrupts guys Jul 22 11:32:45 mrmobil: is there a single place to catch just the patches against git.openmoko.org 2.6.32 branch? Jul 22 11:33:28 Mirv: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-openmoko-2.6.32 Jul 22 11:34:02 dos1: thanks, need to bookmark that Jul 22 11:34:04 this is private-non-git-jama-controlled place :) Jul 22 11:34:37 better to use private-git-jama-controlled place :) http://gitorious.org/~jama/htc-msm-2-6-32/openmoko-kernel Jul 22 11:35:01 htc-msm? Jul 22 11:35:45 that's only because of sharing git objects.. Jul 22 11:37:27 you can clone someone's else git repo on web interface quickly and then git push over network is much faster than pushing all objects to separate repo Jul 22 11:38:18 ok. places are clean for everyone. Jul 22 11:39:37 dos1: btw, i didn't noticed any slowdowns here in .34. Jul 22 12:09:55 gena2x: it is bleeding fast up to some point... then it stalls Jul 22 12:10:18 mrmoku: i think irq. Jul 22 12:10:49 mrmoku: just guess, but may be check /proc/interrupts Jul 22 12:11:15 mrmoku: also i noticed this is moment then touchscreen fails. Jul 22 12:11:23 mrmoku: and battery Jul 22 12:11:53 mrmoku: so you get some 'HDC' messages in dmesg. Jul 22 12:14:27 gena2x: usually I can't even ssh into it anymore... so no means to check Jul 22 12:15:34 mrmoku: hmmm. then i had something similar on .32, it just slows down considerable, then restores without problems. Jul 22 12:15:54 mrmoku: but may be this is different issue. Jul 22 13:55:01 dos1, JaMa ... congrats Jul 22 13:56:33 hehe, BIG thanks Jul 22 13:58:16 yw Jul 22 13:58:33 JaMa: start to build for nokia900 ;) Jul 22 13:59:32 if any questions regarding particular hw properties, just ask DocS. Know that bugger by now Jul 22 14:00:08 mrmoku: rebuilding 2 images from scratch now.. but after that I'll start another image :) Jul 22 14:00:15 :) Jul 22 14:02:38 DocScrutinizer: googling about TWL4030... Jul 22 14:02:44 hmmmm? Jul 22 14:02:55 something happened that i'm not aware of? :o Jul 22 14:02:57 mrmoku: mompls Jul 22 14:03:06 dos1: check mail Jul 22 14:04:03 * JaMa didn't receive the right e-mail yet Jul 22 14:04:09 JaMa: regarding kernel... there is a meego kernel repo with patches against mainline Jul 22 14:04:26 do we get n900? Jul 22 14:04:46 lots of work we do get :) Jul 22 14:06:14 mrmoku: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Chipset Jul 22 14:06:29 mrmoku: OE is using PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "linux-omap" now, which is 2.6.32 mainline + patches in OE Jul 22 14:06:55 DocScrutinizer: so thanks :D Jul 22 14:07:08 mrmoku: but I'll check meego patchset too of course :) Jul 22 14:10:02 heh, much hapiness around here. DocScrutinizer is the new Santa Claus? :) Jul 22 14:10:30 JaMa: git://gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source.git Jul 22 14:10:48 just the mail delivery *to* Santa Jul 22 14:11:43 stefan_schmidt: hot like hell... and still I have to put up the tree :) Jul 22 14:12:03 mrmoku: :) Jul 22 14:14:29 hmm Jul 22 14:14:34 * mickey|office empty mailbox Jul 22 14:15:50 mickey|office: Your Apple has silently deleted it? Jul 22 14:15:55 Apple Mail Jul 22 14:16:05 possible Jul 22 14:17:01 or graylisting... Jul 22 14:18:25 apple fighting unfair... possible ;) Jul 22 14:18:58 hmm /me has gmail.. so maybe google too :) Jul 22 14:19:17 :P Jul 22 14:19:32 gmail here too :x Jul 22 14:19:47 apple + google against nokia + shr? Jul 22 14:19:48 ;) Jul 22 14:20:18 * mrmoku has neither :) Jul 22 14:25:06 PaulFertser: ping :P Jul 22 14:25:30 * JaMa doesn't want to leave for week-long vacation anymore :) Jul 22 14:25:38 hehe Jul 22 14:26:33 and then it will be even worse.. 3weeks traveling in car in US Jul 22 14:34:49 JaMa, I enjoyed my car trip in US so much, about 5000 miles in three weeks. Jul 22 14:36:32 ao2: we wanted to watch Discovery lift off, but it was postponed :/ Jul 22 14:37:04 ao2: so instead of driving from west to east cost we'll stay near west and return from Dallas instaed of Miami Jul 22 14:39:40 JaMa, we visited the west side "only" and it was amazing. Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah and Arizona again. But we were more Nature-oriented: Sequoia National park, Death Valley, Grand Canyon. Jul 22 14:41:18 ao2: we want to visit those too and also Trinity nuclear test, Trinity nuclear test etc Jul 22 14:42:22 hopefully I'll have working foxtrotGPS/navit in OE built image before leaving there :) Jul 22 14:42:58 JaMa, have a good trip then I am pretty sure you'll enjoy it. It was the first time in US for me back then and I strangely felt suddenly "home", maybe because of movies and so on.. Jul 22 14:43:41 ao2: do you have some blog about your trip or some important tips? Jul 22 14:45:45 JaMa, no I don't, I didn't put anything on the web about it. I have some spare notes on paper, I can take a look to see if there's anything worth sharing, but I don't think so. Jul 22 14:49:07 ao2: ok.. thanks.. Jul 22 15:23:35 hi mickey|office Jul 22 15:23:45 evening gnu Jul 22 15:23:51 too|laptop Jul 22 15:24:03 hi Jul 22 15:24:52 so, about n900, what's the plan? at first you implement stuff and test them,then I test ? will you need a tester? Jul 22 15:28:40 hmmm Jul 22 15:28:42 about wifi Jul 22 15:28:59 iwconfig wlan0 power off => even some issues with wpa with that Jul 22 15:29:18 router: wrt54gsv4 + openwrt with 2.4 kernel and proprietary broadcom module Jul 22 15:29:21 I'll check Jul 22 15:31:52 ah ok rfkill Jul 22 15:31:59 I don't wknow why it was on Jul 22 15:32:05 my script echo 1 > state Jul 22 15:36:46 mickey|office, are you here? Jul 22 15:37:01 anyway ports are blocked again until orange box restart Jul 22 15:41:54 i have GTA02v6 . after being powered off for days battery dries out. Jul 22 15:43:25 GNUtoo|laptop: well... my plan would be i test and other people implement :D Jul 22 15:43:45 but i'm afraid noone will volunteer to do the gisi driver Jul 22 15:43:53 so it might end up w/ my name on it :/ Jul 22 15:44:08 mickey|office, what's gisi? Jul 22 15:44:21 modem protocol Jul 22 15:44:25 ah ok Jul 22 15:44:35 mickey|office, did you look at the link I pasted? Jul 22 15:44:43 didn't see a link, please repaste Jul 22 15:44:46 we don't need to implement it Jul 22 15:44:49 just use that: Jul 22 15:45:17 http://meego.gitorious.com/meego-cellular/blts-ofono/blobs/master/blts-ofono/README Jul 22 15:45:36 heh, well Jul 22 15:45:40 "just" use that Jul 22 15:45:52 that's better than reimplementing something no? Jul 22 15:46:00 uhm Jul 22 15:46:08 even that has to be integrated into fsogsmd Jul 22 15:46:22 ok Jul 22 15:46:31 you use vala right Jul 22 15:46:39 vala is somewhat compatible with C Jul 22 15:46:41 right? Jul 22 15:46:48 correct Jul 22 15:47:09 we can use bits of the ofono implementation to create our mediators Jul 22 15:47:15 indeed Jul 22 15:52:07 basically: Jul 22 15:52:15 *you're good in userland+fso Jul 22 15:52:22 *I'm not good at userland+fso Jul 22 15:52:28 so how can I be usefull? Jul 22 15:52:31 I really wonder Jul 22 15:52:39 I can do testing Jul 22 15:52:42 and oe work Jul 22 15:52:48 kernel is already done Jul 22 15:54:01 I've already an htcdream... Jul 22 15:54:11 I only buy devices for develloping Jul 22 15:56:09 well Jul 22 15:56:13 kernel is already "done" Jul 22 15:56:16 we don't have audio routing Jul 22 15:56:17 we don't have GPS Jul 22 15:56:19 ... Jul 22 15:56:29 there's enough to do for you, i'm 100% sure Jul 22 15:58:13 heh, yes :/ Jul 22 16:10:56 where can i found an explanation of the milestones ? (how the fit into the development of shr and what are their targets? Jul 22 16:12:48 chomwitt: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/roadmap Jul 22 16:13:08 JaMa: thanks! Jul 22 16:55:05 mrmoku, I don't fix stuff, I only break em. Jul 22 16:55:20 mrmoku, what was it about anyway? Jul 22 17:00:55 TAsn: multiple phone calls Jul 22 17:01:44 Oh, works except for an fso bug. Jul 22 17:01:54 Which I already opened a ticket about. Jul 22 17:02:00 # ? Jul 22 17:02:33 No idea :P Jul 22 17:07:36 P.s weekend! :P Jul 22 17:07:47 What a damn short week :) Jul 22 17:07:52 :P Jul 22 17:22:00 heyho Jul 22 17:23:16 <[Rui]> TAsn: holiday tomorrow? lucky bastard! :) Jul 22 17:24:00 hi morphis, how's the pre? Jul 22 17:24:19 mickey|tv: great, did my first tests with fsogsmd and the new msmcommd today :) Jul 22 17:24:42 feels a bit rough ... but with some fixes on the msmcommd site it will work Jul 22 17:24:53 cool stuff Jul 22 17:25:00 in every case better than the old dirty msmcommd Jul 22 17:25:04 but great you are here Jul 22 17:25:12 some time for a OE question? Jul 22 17:25:19 yo Jul 22 17:25:24 good Jul 22 17:25:32 [Rui], muhahah. :P Jul 22 17:25:48 I have a PREFERRED_VERSION_tslib = "git" in my conf/machine/palmpre.conf Jul 22 17:25:58 so I want the git version of tslib to build Jul 22 17:26:10 bitbake now tell me: Jul 22 17:26:12 NOTE: preferred version git of tslib not available (for item tslib) Jul 22 17:26:12 NOTE: Resolving any missing task queue dependencies Jul 22 17:26:12 NOTE: preferred version git of tslib not available (for item tslib) Jul 22 17:26:12 NOTE: preferred version git of tslib not available (for item tslib-conf) Jul 22 17:26:24 but there is a recipe/tslib/tslib_git.bb Jul 22 17:26:33 so what I am doing wrong? Jul 22 17:27:21 tslib_git probably changes PV Jul 22 17:27:32 hence it doesn't really provide a version named 'git' Jul 22 17:27:55 iirc only as of recently, if you use SRCPV there's a way to use git patterns in PREFERRED_VERSION Jul 22 17:28:06 but i never used that personally Jul 22 17:28:24 with bitbake-1.10 you can use % as wildchar Jul 22 17:28:40 PV = "1.0+gitr${SRCPV}" Jul 22 17:28:54 so PREFERRED_VERSION_tslib = "1.0+git%" should work Jul 22 17:29:05 ah ok Jul 22 17:29:13 that you should help Jul 22 17:29:30 PV = "1.0+gitr${SRCPV}" Jul 22 17:29:33 I have Jul 22 17:31:15 mickey|tv: btw. hows live and work? a little bit more quiet? Jul 22 17:31:54 morphis: yes, things have settled down a bit, thanks. Jul 22 17:33:10 :) Jul 22 17:33:59 ah building tslib-git works Jul 22 17:37:39 hi morphis Jul 22 17:38:03 hi morphis Jul 22 17:38:08 how's things are going? Jul 22 17:38:10 i think you want to use PREFERRED_PROVIDER_tslib = "tslib_git" Jul 22 17:38:50 playya: JaMa's version does the job for me Jul 22 17:38:53 PREFERRED_VERSION_tslib = "1.0+git%" Jul 22 17:39:02 ok Jul 22 17:39:09 GNUtoo|laptop: great, working again on the palmpre Jul 22 17:39:26 GNUtoo|laptop: and yourself? Jul 22 17:41:16 morphis, I made a release,altough wifi has still some issues,gtkrc is lacking and similar things Jul 22 17:41:26 we have official SHR images Jul 22 17:42:25 for the dream? Jul 22 17:42:30 yes Jul 22 17:42:34 WOW Jul 22 17:42:43 I want that for the palmpre, too .... Jul 22 17:42:48 yes Jul 22 17:42:55 I bet no wifi on palm pre yet Jul 22 17:42:57 but there is so much to do ... Jul 22 17:43:00 no Jul 22 17:43:05 but valos is working on that Jul 22 17:43:09 wow Jul 22 17:43:11 kale valos Jul 22 17:43:16 nice Jul 22 17:43:21 I've huge issues with wifi Jul 22 17:43:23 should work with the GPL driver from marvel Jul 22 17:43:26 aka PSM Jul 22 17:43:32 as Palm uses the same just with another license Jul 22 17:43:58 yes but you need some small and easy ...device specific code Jul 22 17:44:17 in the board files Jul 22 17:44:26 jepp, but marvell offers the firmware to download on their website Jul 22 17:44:30 yeah? Jul 22 17:44:32 hm Jul 22 17:44:44 if thats true, we have to copy the firmware files on boot from webos Jul 22 17:44:51 no I mean Jul 22 17:45:00 just building libertas won't work Jul 22 17:45:06 as the plan is to run webos and shr togehter on the pre Jul 22 17:45:12 yeah, but we can't use libertas Jul 22 17:45:14 you need some [I don't remember the name] thing Jul 22 17:45:28 why? Jul 22 17:45:30 we're on 2.6.24 and libertas is not in the state to be really usefull Jul 22 17:45:38 you can Jul 22 17:45:44 compat-wireless? Jul 22 17:45:53 is it supported by 2.6.24? Jul 22 17:45:58 I heard somebody saying libertas version in 2.6.24 is too old Jul 22 17:46:11 only way is using the driver from marvell Jul 22 17:46:59 gta0x, htcdream, palmpre, n900 - is someone working on FSO/SHR on some other platform too? Jul 22 17:47:16 GNUtoo|laptop: but if that's true, it would be wonderful Jul 22 17:47:36 I'll look Jul 22 17:47:53 dos1: somebody is working on these old phones work motorola Jul 22 17:48:30 i heard about motorola ezx support Jul 22 17:48:31 yep :D Jul 22 17:48:43 IIRC ao2 Jul 22 17:48:51 chmmm Jul 22 17:48:55 ao2? Jul 22 17:48:56 2.6.27 is the minimum Jul 22 17:49:09 GNUtoo|laptop: ok, what a pitty .. Jul 22 17:49:18 but that's FSO support, i haven't heard anything about SHR on it Jul 22 17:49:20 http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download#Old_kernel_support Jul 22 17:49:25 Antonio Ospite Jul 22 17:49:40 but we/I are planing to bring palmpre support upstream/to a recent kernel version Jul 22 17:50:56 dos1: about SHR support for ezx I don't know, just saw the patches from Antonio for FSO Jul 22 17:51:10 morphis: yup, just like me Jul 22 17:51:17 ok Jul 22 17:51:57 but I think htcdream and palmpre are the most valuables Jul 22 17:52:03 platforms Jul 22 17:52:09 also, i hope we'll support gta01 again soon Jul 22 17:53:06 :) Jul 22 17:53:18 maybe we have some more platforms in the future ... Jul 22 17:53:42 there is n900 Jul 22 17:54:05 it's very promizing Jul 22 17:54:05 hmm Jul 22 17:54:35 n900? promizing? I heard only bad stuff about it Jul 22 17:54:42 a lot binary drivers Jul 22 17:54:44 etc. Jul 22 17:55:45 the only good thing I heard is there a schematics for the n900 ... Jul 22 17:57:06 dos1: hopefully that guy with gta01 will help Jul 22 17:57:14 i found motorola a910 on web auction for 55 złotys (~13 euros) :D Jul 22 17:57:41 btw non-cross arrived in oe.dev Jul 22 17:57:46 what's the problem with gta01 and fso? Jul 22 17:57:47 rebuild from scratch needed Jul 22 17:57:56 JaMa: non-cross? Jul 22 17:58:06 morphis: we're lacking a device to test Jul 22 17:58:18 cross directory is gone and stuff is in sysroots for native host now Jul 22 17:58:19 it's being sold without battery and as "broken" only due to failed firmware change Jul 22 17:58:21 mrmoku: ah ok :D Jul 22 17:58:46 morphis: wanted to ask Ainulindale if he still needs his... Jul 22 17:58:48 morphis: and with switching to 2.6.32 we've updated also gta01 fso configs for 2.6.32 without providing 2.6.32 kernel for gta01 Jul 22 17:58:50 Ainulindale: ping :) Jul 22 17:59:16 dos1: why not buying a palmpre? Jul 22 17:59:25 it's very cheap these days Jul 22 17:59:27 mrmoku: for 11 euros? :D Jul 22 17:59:33 morphis: ^^ :P Jul 22 17:59:34 there isn't even om-gta01-2.6.31 branch in OM kernel git Jul 22 17:59:35 s/mrmoku/morphis/ Jul 22 17:59:35 dos1 meant: morphis: for 11 euros? :D Jul 22 17:59:37 ;D Jul 22 17:59:37 and a great phone btw. :) Jul 22 17:59:55 11 euros, no Jul 22 18:00:00 sorry, 13 ;] Jul 22 18:00:09 but between 20-100 euros you will get one on ebay Jul 22 18:00:17 maybe a little bit broken but usable Jul 22 18:06:19 morphis, battery got decoded Jul 22 18:06:29 GNUtoo|laptop: yeah! Jul 22 18:06:35 GNUtoo|laptop: some other parts left? Jul 22 18:06:46 morphis, fso stuff Jul 22 18:06:50 telephony Jul 22 18:06:52 fsodeviced Jul 22 18:06:54 etc... Jul 22 18:07:06 telephony is done with this damn protocol from nokia? Jul 22 18:07:31 morphis, yes but look at that: Jul 22 18:07:34 morphis: ofono has code for it on GPL Jul 22 18:07:50 http://meego.gitorious.com/meego-cellular/blts-ofono/blobs/master/blts-ofono/README Jul 22 18:07:51 dos1: hm, ok so somebody has to port it from ofono to FSO Jul 22 18:08:00 fyi - interesting problem I ran in to; if you add "alias ls='ls --color'" to /etc/profile, it breaks /etc/X11/Xsession because the 'ls -X $SYSSESSIONDIR' results in strings with extra stuff in them Jul 22 18:11:09 net_tux: already reported Jul 22 18:14:13 ok Jul 22 18:20:23 I'll go bye Jul 22 18:22:59 morphis: GPS is still problematic too Jul 22 18:23:24 mrmoku: on the n900? Jul 22 18:23:36 yep Jul 22 18:23:59 why? driver? Jul 22 18:24:09 no datasheet available Jul 22 18:24:17 only a binary blob from nokia Jul 22 18:24:32 and as far as I understand the GPS chip is connected to the modem chip Jul 22 18:24:38 can't access it directly Jul 22 18:24:49 ah ok, it's the same on the palmpre Jul 22 18:24:58 but Palm use the same protocol as they use for the modem Jul 22 18:25:59 playya: ping Jul 22 18:25:59 dunno for the n900... but folks in #maemo are reverse engineering it... hopefully with success Jul 22 18:26:05 pong Jul 22 18:26:22 do you already updated you pre to 1.4.5? Jul 22 18:26:30 yes Jul 22 18:26:41 do you tried our tslib plugin after that again? Jul 22 18:26:58 had to use webos doctor afterwards Jul 22 18:27:01 nope Jul 22 18:27:05 hm ok Jul 22 18:27:13 as I have problems access the dev node Jul 22 18:27:54 maybe they updated the firmware for the touchscreen Jul 22 18:28:03 because it's already open or different issue? Jul 22 18:28:11 oh no :( Jul 22 18:28:37 don't know Jul 22 18:28:44 maybe I am doing something wrong Jul 22 18:29:29 I get a "Cannot read: Resource temporarily unavailable" Jul 22 18:29:32 with ts_raw Jul 22 18:30:02 you have some time? Jul 22 18:30:18 I can send you my kernel+image and you try it? Jul 22 18:31:03 from webos or your own image? Jul 22 18:31:12 uImage-preboot-palmpre Jul 22 18:31:24 or webos you can try to Jul 22 18:31:43 will do that, too Jul 22 18:31:45 maybe preboot is running? Jul 22 18:31:52 now Jul 22 18:31:55 nothing is running Jul 22 18:31:58 just dropbear and getty Jul 22 18:32:02 but stop Jul 22 18:32:10 I used you script to create the device nodes! Jul 22 18:32:15 maybe thats the problem Jul 22 18:32:32 wrong major/minor? Jul 22 18:32:51 maybe Jul 22 18:33:08 c 10, 59 it is on webos Jul 22 18:33:23 JaMa|Away: away? or a bit here still? :) Jul 22 18:34:21 playya: hm, it's mknod /dev/touchscreen c 10 59 Jul 22 18:36:57 hm will try to run udev and try it again Jul 22 18:38:03 <[Rui]> morphis: bkuhn would like to know what isn't possible to do with Free Software on Palm Pre's right now. He got a free one in oscom Jul 22 18:38:26 [Rui]: oscom? Jul 22 18:38:47 [Rui]: you can already do a lot with free software on the palm pre Jul 22 18:38:57 touchscreen support is there, wlan on the road Jul 22 18:39:10 the things missing are gps and bluetooth Jul 22 18:39:18 <[Rui]> morphis: or oscon, the O'Reilly convention Jul 22 18:39:27 on the modem/GSM support I am working right now Jul 22 18:39:51 and hope we will have basic support in the near future Jul 22 18:39:55 <[Rui]> morphis: well, @bkuhn on identi.ca ou bkuhn@gnu.org :) I'm sure he'd like to know Jul 22 18:40:02 a great Jul 22 18:40:07 will write to him Jul 22 18:41:50 playya: ah... it's working Jul 22 18:42:02 we miss something while creating the dev node only with mknod Jul 22 18:42:04 <[Rui]> morphis: I talked to him yesterday about it, but I didn't know the status, tried to find some of the most recent links and things didn't seem promising (ie, stalled) :) Jul 22 18:42:10 ok Jul 22 18:42:20 what does udev use? Jul 22 18:42:22 [Rui]: does he have some jabber account? Jul 22 18:42:24 <[Rui]> playya: hi, a bit baffled about that bt :( Jul 22 18:42:28 playya: don't know Jul 22 18:43:05 <[Rui]> morphis: I suppose so, but I don't know which one. he sometimes drops by on freenode as well, but he's not on, right now. Jul 22 18:43:16 [Rui]: ok Jul 22 18:43:20 will write him Jul 22 18:43:39 [Rui], try this: kill elmdentica and reload dents after a while Jul 22 18:44:02 <[Rui]> playya: I found similar backtraces running in my laptop, then went to gdb, and bam... no longer a crash Jul 22 18:44:09 <[Rui]> "/#"%&$#%/&"%$ Jul 22 18:45:04 <[Rui]> playya: I don't think it's related to number of stored messages, I have 9072 right now, and display 52 Jul 22 18:45:21 <[Rui]> playya: did you like the gag feature? Jul 22 18:45:30 never used it Jul 22 18:45:39 <[Rui]> playya: good sign :) Jul 22 18:45:53 it think it's related to the number of new dents Jul 22 18:46:09 <[Rui]> playya: just PCRE for things/people you don't want to read (applied to name, screen_name and text) Jul 22 18:46:13 i think you need 3.1415 new dents Jul 22 18:46:26 ah. ok Jul 22 18:46:27 <[Rui]> Pi dents? Jul 22 18:47:07 i thought it's like replacing e.g. IIRC with if i recall correctly Jul 22 18:48:06 <[Rui]> playya: it just hides them from view (but still stores locally, in case you want to view later on - I guess I should make a second binary for viewing past messages) Jul 22 18:49:09 <[Rui]> I recently started adding some code to implement oauth, but I'm getting more and more prejudiced against it Jul 22 18:49:28 it think somthing like clicking on a group/tag/user to join,follow/view all messages might be useful Jul 22 18:50:03 <[Rui]> playya: yes. Jul 22 18:50:11 <[Rui]> playya: more than crappy oauth Jul 22 18:51:02 <[Rui]> playya: and proper redents. Jul 22 18:51:40 <[Rui]> playya: some of that stuff doesn't have a fixed api yet. Jul 22 18:51:47 whats wrong with the current implementation? Jul 22 18:55:05 <[Rui]> playya: nothing, I've been dragging around doing other stuff while I hoped it'd be fixed sometime Jul 22 18:55:23 <[Rui]> but now I'm using json it'll probably be easier to adapt to output changes than with xml Jul 22 18:56:55 trying to install libglib-2.0-0-2.24.0-r3.4 i get a "* opkg_install_cmd: Cannot install package 2.24.0-r3.4. Jul 22 18:57:21 <[Rui]> I guess it's proven not be worth waiting much Jul 22 18:57:24 <[Rui]> more Jul 22 19:00:25 morphis, udev uses 10 56 Jul 22 19:01:07 and why webos has 10, 59? Jul 22 19:01:20 i don't know Jul 22 19:02:28 but i have to work on the async delegates first :P Jul 22 19:03:30 ohh... async delegates... Jul 22 19:03:35 async delegates .... sounds great :) Jul 22 19:03:45 playya: btw. I am currently working a bit on preboot Jul 22 19:03:51 ok Jul 22 19:03:53 cleaning up the code etc. Jul 22 19:04:05 i think i trigger a bug somewhere Jul 22 19:04:13 clean split between view/controller Jul 22 19:04:18 it always tries to build linux-nios2 Jul 22 19:04:49 imho its already a clean split between edje and controller Jul 22 19:06:03 yeah, but we still have the classes View and Controller :) Jul 22 19:06:21 and we have some logic which does interacting with the edje Jul 22 19:06:29 and the logic which does the kexec stuff etc Jul 22 19:06:35 different things Jul 22 19:15:19 brb Jul 22 19:41:17 mrmoku: pong Jul 22 19:41:26 mrmoku: was on my way from work :/ Jul 22 19:41:56 JaMa: :) Jul 22 19:42:05 JaMa: we have to bump cornucopia rev Jul 22 19:42:14 current HEAD works wonderfull Jul 22 19:43:39 mrmoku: ok.. will you or should I? Jul 22 19:43:55 I can do... have it in my tree Jul 22 19:43:59 mrmoku: I'm going to run LONG build (I guess 5 days) Jul 22 19:44:06 oh Jul 22 19:44:06 so please push soon Jul 22 19:44:15 will do now Jul 22 19:44:18 mrmoku: all 3 devices images + feed Jul 22 19:44:53 gcc bump is already there so waiting only for cornucopia bump Jul 22 19:45:17 ok Jul 22 19:46:03 JaMa: is INC_PR bump needed too? Jul 22 19:46:12 no Jul 22 19:46:16 ok Jul 22 19:46:39 bloody spammers can registr to docs.openmoko now? :/ Jul 22 19:47:08 heh.. saw that too :( Jul 22 19:47:15 <[Rui]> JaMa: spammers know trac (and most wikis) Jul 22 19:47:31 JaMa: pushed Jul 22 19:47:47 [Rui]: well but mandatory e-mail verification worked before.. Jul 22 19:47:53 <[Rui]> JaMa: signs of success: spammers attack your site :) Jul 22 19:48:19 <[Rui]> JaMa: hasn't stopped them from joining identi.ca or twitter etc... :) Jul 22 19:49:07 bb -k shr-lite-image | tee log; reindex; sync_unstable; bb -k shr-image | tee -a log; reindex; sync_unstable; bb -k task-shr-feed | tee -a log; reindex; sync_unstable; sed -i 's/om-gta02/om-gta01/g' conf/auto.conf; bb -k shr-lite-image | tee -a log; reindex; sync_unstable; bb -k shr-image | tee -a log; reindex; sync_unstable; bb -k task-shr-feed | tee -a log; reindex; sync_unstable; sed -i 's/om-gta01/htcdream/g' conf/auto.conf; bb -k shr-li Jul 22 19:49:21 :) Jul 22 19:49:29 so one week holiday now ;) Jul 22 19:49:36 mrmoku: yup :) Jul 22 19:50:06 good that you sync in between :-) Jul 22 19:50:23 we need that fsogsmd fix before end of next week :P Jul 22 19:51:01 mrmoku: om-gta02 with lite is first and with sync.. so it should be tomorrow maybe Jul 22 19:52:48 yeah Jul 22 19:53:07 * mrmoku will try to build something for nokia900 tomorrow Jul 22 19:54:38 JaMa: think about n900 and palmpre builds coming soon hopefully ;) Jul 22 19:54:47 poor buildhost :D Jul 22 19:54:54 hi guys Jul 22 19:55:05 how do you measure current during suspend? Jul 22 19:55:06 heh... will start to glow :P Jul 22 19:55:22 Gabrys: without apropriate equptment? Jul 22 19:55:26 +i Jul 22 19:55:30 yes Jul 22 19:55:51 just read out current_now immediately after resume... it has some delay with updates Jul 22 19:55:57 bq27k-detail Jul 22 19:56:10 NOTE: Running task 19 of 8852 Jul 22 19:56:11 5s Jul 22 19:56:21 DocScrutinizer: btw. I started my vala learning project... called batsniffer Jul 22 19:56:28 but there's also current_during_suspend Jul 22 19:56:44 current_during_suspend in which kernel Jul 22 19:56:45 oh, nice Jul 22 19:56:58 brb Jul 22 19:56:59 building fso2-console-image from scratch (clean tmp/) I get this: http://pastebin.com/2s5c1EYH any hint? Jul 22 19:57:19 Gabrys: bq27k-detail.sh Jul 22 19:57:57 ao2: try to restart build, mrmoku just bumped cornucopia SRCREV Jul 22 19:58:16 JaMa, ok, let me pull Jul 22 19:58:21 DocScrutinizer: what's bq27k-detail.sh Jul 22 19:58:39 I don't have current_during_suspend in qtmoko's .29 kernel Jul 22 19:58:56 I'll need it in .32 I believe Jul 22 19:58:57 people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail.sh Jul 22 19:59:09 Gabrys: current_during_suspend is in that script ;p Jul 22 19:59:14 ~batteryfaq Jul 22 19:59:15 it has been said that batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers Jul 22 19:59:37 DocScrutinizer: 404 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail.sh Jul 22 20:00:04 fix the spelling Jul 22 20:00:46 DocScrutinizer: in the faq there's no even suspend, nor "bq27k-detail" Jul 22 20:01:15 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail Jul 22 20:01:55 DocScrutinizer: ok, thank you Jul 22 20:02:54 SI Standby Current High - Low Byte Jul 22 20:03:26 it's not clear enough for me Jul 22 20:03:57 leviathan: why do you call ./configure in maxima bb manually? Jul 22 20:04:01 is "SI Standby Current High - Low Byte" current_during_suspend Jul 22 20:04:12 during last suspend? Jul 22 20:04:13 leviathan: /usr/local is bad Jul 22 20:04:26 hmm, ok Jul 22 20:04:36 leviathan: S = "${WORKDIR}/maxima-${PV}" this is default, remove it Jul 22 20:05:17 and do_install also seems strange.. just replace both with "inherit autotools" Jul 22 20:05:56 leviathan: then also all FILES will be useless (right /usr paths should work with default values) Jul 22 20:06:29 hmm, ok Jul 22 20:06:37 JaMa: the problem is Jul 22 20:06:45 when I do not overwrite the functions Jul 22 20:06:57 it doesnt do anything somehow... Jul 22 20:07:08 leviathan: did you add that inherit? Jul 22 20:07:16 hmm, ah, nope Jul 22 20:07:17 mom Jul 22 20:07:36 :) autotools.bbclass defines standard do_compile, do_configure etc.. Jul 22 20:10:01 JaMa: will it then be automatically configured to the right installpath? Jul 22 20:10:27 DocScrutinizer: I have this value stating 90 Jul 22 20:10:36 DocScrutinizer: so current during suspend would be 90/20 = 4.5 mA? Jul 22 20:12:38 echo "0x1B - 0x1A: `pv 0x1B 0x1A`" " SI Standby Current High - Low Byte 3.57 µV (1) R" Jul 22 20:12:39 echo " *3.57 / 20 = " $(( `pv 0x1B 0x1A` * 179 / 1000)) "mA " Jul 22 20:13:24 it's plain mA Jul 22 20:13:33 in 2nd line Jul 22 20:15:27 DocScrutinizer: why not just "while true; do cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_now Jul 22 20:15:27 >>/var/log/power.log; sleep 1; done" Jul 22 20:15:59 leviathan: yes it should be Jul 22 20:16:05 Q-Master: because that obviously will fail during suspend Jul 22 20:16:57 DocScrutinizer: yep. but just after resume it shows reasonable numbers Jul 22 20:17:16 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Jul 22 20:19:24 JaMa: kk Jul 22 20:19:27 [2010-07-22 21:55:50] just read out current_now immediately after resume... it has some delay with updates Jul 22 20:19:29 [2010-07-22 21:56:11] 5s Jul 22 20:20:43 JaMa: http://pastebin.com/yPgVSNL5 Jul 22 20:20:48 is it correct so? Jul 22 20:22:56 leviathan: better, also please s/GPL-2/GPLv2/ Jul 22 20:23:19 oh, ok Jul 22 20:23:50 leviathan: and s/maxima-5.21.1/${P}/g in SRC_URI Jul 22 20:24:00 ok Jul 22 20:24:59 leviathan: and send PATCHv2 to ML if it builds for you correct .ipk I'll push it imediately Jul 22 20:27:42 JaMa: is that new stuff from khem going to fix our alignment traps? Jul 22 20:28:00 mrmoku: 80% no Jul 22 20:28:08 k Jul 22 20:28:26 mrmoku: probably next eglibc bump, but nothing new in 2.12 eglibc branch (checked today) Jul 22 20:36:28 why there isn't a working python-elementary for debian that doesn't require python 2.5 :( Jul 22 20:36:54 * vanous123 just upgrading to 2.6 and breaking his python-elementary knowingly... Jul 22 20:37:54 vanous123, you're lucky you at least have some.. gentoo-openmoko can't compile it anymore.. Jul 22 20:38:09 huh, but it seems working now! Jul 22 20:41:11 * mrmoku needs some sleep now... gnight all Jul 22 20:42:54 well, i am just lucky i guess :), elementary still working Jul 22 22:21:00 DocScrutinizer: I don't get this tool Jul 22 22:21:28 sorry for ranting, but it's completely counter-friendly Jul 22 22:21:40 echo "0x1B - 0x1A: `pv 0x1B 0x1A`" " SI Standby Current High - Low Byte 3.57 µV (1) R" Jul 22 22:21:42 and then Jul 22 22:21:49 (1) Divide by Rs in milliohms to convert µV to mA or µVh to mAh. Jul 22 22:22:00 what's 3.57 µV Jul 22 22:22:15 what's "Â" Jul 22 22:22:28 utf-8? Jul 22 22:23:09 non breaking space or what Jul 22 22:23:47 honestly, no idea how to read what was the current while in suspend from this output Jul 22 22:24:18 read immediately on resume Jul 22 22:24:34 I can read current_now after resume like mrmoku suggested Jul 22 22:24:40 om battery consumption if you only want current Jul 22 22:25:01 but this should be better, as it's storing top current as far as I understand Jul 22 22:25:43 also I though one can read battery "%" before and after suspend Jul 22 22:25:50 multiply by battery capacity Jul 22 22:25:54 divide by time Jul 22 22:26:05 not very accurate Jul 22 22:26:07 and should get average current Jul 22 22:26:30 well actually it depends on how "%" is calculated by hardware Jul 22 22:26:43 if it's based on voltage only, sure, very inacurate Jul 22 22:26:58 but if it's calculated by measuring current Jul 22 22:27:08 it's accurate, exactly what we want to measure :-) Jul 22 22:27:28 but still having this value stored in some register I would love to have it just read Jul 22 22:27:37 Gabrys: you can read the specs Jul 22 22:28:41 looking for them Jul 22 22:30:21 haven't found the interpretation of those numbers yet Jul 22 22:30:31 i think i have a local copy in tgis phone somewhere Jul 22 22:31:23 I may have it Jul 22 22:33:29 ok Jul 22 22:33:30 I have it Jul 22 22:34:15 I think the 90 in that register means: current = 90 * 3.57 uV / 20 uOhm Jul 22 22:34:33 which means 4.5 * 3.57 mA Jul 22 22:35:13 which is 16 mA Jul 22 22:36:15 which is pretty what wiki states a standard suspend current Jul 22 22:36:34 now I may test with .32 kernel Jul 22 22:41:35 Gabrys: witg gsm? Jul 22 22:42:11 yes Jul 22 22:42:18 but that was short suspend Jul 22 22:42:33 i would measure without gsm Jul 22 22:42:47 gsm keeps changing its consumption Jul 22 22:43:00 Depending on various factors (GPRS activated, number of cells to observe, band...) the modem may consume an average standby current of 4mA up to >30mA while registered to a network. For normal (AT%SLEEP=2) situation the standby current is ~15mA. Jul 22 22:43:33 as this was very short suspend it may actually not do any re-registration Jul 22 22:43:49 so top current could be 16 mA I guess Jul 22 23:54:42 JaMa: email ;-D Jul 23 00:47:18 * DocScrutinizer shakes head Jul 23 00:49:14 ~slap Gabrys with bq27000 datasheet Jul 23 00:50:51 ~docscrutinizer Jul 23 00:50:52 somebody said docscrutinizer was jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Jul 23 00:51:50 16mA sounds about correct Jul 23 00:51:57 DocScrutinizer, haha.. that's a serious show off :) Jul 23 00:52:08 as you noticed by quoting my statement on wiki Jul 23 00:53:57 calculation from 0x90 to 16 is correct Jul 23 00:54:05 DocScrutinizer, btw. did I tell you all the bubats were dead ? Jul 23 00:54:09 but my script would do that for you Jul 23 00:54:17 shit Jul 23 00:54:17 DocScrutinizer, the one in my FR 'revived' and now holds rtc for a day at least Jul 23 00:54:32 weird shit Jul 23 00:54:39 oh yeah.. I don't get it Jul 23 00:55:16 you used screwed kernels? (which don't charge bupbat) Jul 23 00:55:21 I did what I always do.. Jul 23 00:55:38 o.O Jul 23 00:55:45 DocScrutinizer, well.. some time before it got 'fixed', I updated to a newer kernel Jul 23 00:55:54 mhm Jul 23 00:55:58 I can't give you exact rev.. but at least build date (which should be close to rev) Jul 23 00:56:22 no kernel dude here, so rev useless Jul 23 00:57:16 just know kernel needs to enable bupbat charging, or you're screwed Jul 23 00:57:29 DocScrutinizer, doesn't u-boot do it ? Jul 23 00:57:34 dunno Jul 23 00:57:39 u-boot is a mess Jul 23 00:57:52 DocScrutinizer, I think it does, because I measured 2V across bubat as soon as uboot started Jul 23 00:58:07 and even if so, kernel could reset pcf50633 Jul 23 00:58:18 yeah, I get that.. Jul 23 00:58:22 I didn't try it.. Jul 23 00:58:34 (measuring after kernel boot) Jul 23 00:58:42 I was afraid I'd break something with the case removed Jul 23 00:59:07 sorry, tired Jul 23 00:59:09 cya Jul 23 00:59:15 DocScrutinizer, gn Jul 23 01:00:19 one funny last note: N900 has same bupbat and same problem :-P Jul 23 01:00:36 DocScrutinizer, hehe.. also heard about N900 wifi being slower than FR's Jul 23 01:00:42 also, it's 2010-04-27 Jul 23 01:01:03 DocScrutinizer, ooh and touchbook Jul 23 01:01:11 DocScrutinizer, they forgot to mount bubat completely :) Jul 23 01:01:17 DocScrutinizer, (not even have traces for it) Jul 23 01:01:25 lol Jul 23 01:01:38 DocScrutinizer, so theres actually a 'rework' that solders a DIP-8 rtc with its own battery inside on i2c pads Jul 23 01:01:51 dallas? Jul 23 01:02:00 DocScrutinizer, http://bwachter.lart.info/blog/article,208/ Jul 23 01:02:08 DocScrutinizer, yep, DS1307, the common one Jul 23 01:02:30 dallas chip yeah Jul 23 01:03:06 friggin critter Jul 23 01:03:07 DocScrutinizer, I ordered PCF8563 (dip rtc with alarm/interrupt/clock/bubat) and looking forward to hacking it :) Jul 23 01:03:10 has linux support too :) Jul 23 01:03:55 cz_jc: Im not sure, I'll look for these RTC batt traces, soon ;-) Jul 23 01:04:10 Martix, still you gotta admit its funny Jul 23 01:04:43 damn, on Amiga1000 I bitbanged the RTC via unused joystick/mouse port wires Jul 23 01:04:57 DocScrutinizer, on PIC16F84, I had to do it by hand Jul 23 01:05:19 DocScrutinizer, on the same note, I actually found a guy recently that made his homemade avionics (VOR/DME/TCAS receivers) with PIC16F84 Jul 23 01:05:30 DocScrutinizer, if that's not crazy then I don't know what is Jul 23 01:05:47 cz_jc: maybe, they think that plugged main battery is enough Jul 23 01:05:51 *though Jul 23 01:07:25 as you could set PCF50633 to a limbo state on FR, and that's persistent until bupbat dies, we never thought it's a real problem :-P Actually more like a feature Jul 23 01:07:33 Martix, there's a czech proverb about thinking I'm sure you're familiar with Jul 23 01:09:06 DocScrutinizer, I thought the pcf gets its registers reloaded on every boot? is it a serious problem that my bubat gets drained ? Jul 23 01:09:11 "FR won't boot on flat bupbat" BS, in factory all bupbat are flat, and those devices boot up fine, otherwise wouldn't be sold Jul 23 01:09:37 DocScrutinizer, I never said that, it boots just fine here Jul 23 01:09:39 cz_jc: sure :D Jul 23 01:10:10 we had those tickets, though Jul 23 01:10:28 DocScrutinizer, pandora is screwed up too Jul 23 01:10:42 DocScrutinizer, it's wifi does 60kb/s on half the units.. on the rest, tops is about 300kb/s Jul 23 01:10:46 * DocScrutinizer grins evily Jul 23 01:10:48 DocScrutinizer, and their community is totally stupid Jul 23 01:11:11 cya peeps Jul 23 01:11:13 DocScrutinizer, NONE of those who got their pandoras could set up a home http server to wget a file from and mount tmpfs to factor out fs performance Jul 23 01:11:24 DocScrutinizer, gn :) Jul 23 02:42:14 lindi-, if you want to remove "midori" from the install.sh script, TASKS="ALL" ./install.sh all will work again. Jul 23 02:42:38 lindi-, midori fails because libwebkit is an unmet dependency Jul 23 02:49:32 How do you mount the internal flash (shr) while booted from the sd card ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 23 02:59:56 2010