**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 04 02:59:57 2010 Aug 04 07:28:54 how do you guys commit only locally and send out all at once? Aug 04 07:29:16 i am trying this with svn but cannot find local option... Aug 04 07:29:35 vanous: I don't think svn supports that.. Aug 04 07:29:50 JaMa: git does? Aug 04 07:30:02 vanous: git is distributed VCS.. so everybody has "own" repo and then pushes stuff to central repo when he wants Aug 04 07:30:58 vanous: svn is centralized VCS.. so all share same state (ie you cannot svn up without keeping your stuff above it or in separate branch existing only in your local checkout) Aug 04 07:31:12 And svn sucks big time Aug 04 07:31:37 yes.. if you can choose, git is far superior option for "power users" Aug 04 07:32:15 well, i can always choose :)) Aug 04 07:32:57 vanous: I have to use what our IT dep supports :/ Aug 04 07:33:07 so at work we use svn Aug 04 07:33:14 and windows :/ Aug 04 07:34:29 JaMa: well, you know my programming skills are poor, as i have no foundations + took almost 10 years break of any coding Aug 04 07:34:36 so i do this for my hobby stuff Aug 04 07:35:28 and this allows me to choose Aug 04 07:36:19 JaMa: there is git-svn, you know? Aug 04 07:36:36 JaMa: my coworkers would disagree with you, they abandoned git and returned to svn :) Aug 04 07:36:54 but they are windows people :-P Aug 04 07:37:04 anway I think svn is easier to use Aug 04 07:37:53 vanous: I know.. but 2nd part is that on windows you have to use git/git-svn from cygwin (afaik there is no usable native implementation yet) Aug 04 07:38:32 zub: for simple stuff yes.. but when you gets used to git features.. it's hard to return to svn Aug 04 07:38:48 zub: that's why I added "power users" :) Aug 04 07:38:52 JaMa: i see, well fortunately i am not bound to windows anywhere, not even in day job, as far as things happen the right way Aug 04 07:38:57 JaMa: git-svn is of great help. Aug 04 07:39:04 I guess it's like that. too bad I'm not a power git user :) Aug 04 07:39:44 * vanous will switch to git, to get more knowledge that can help down the road Aug 04 07:40:03 * mrmoku thinks that is a good idea :-) Aug 04 07:40:04 vanous: great decision! Aug 04 08:24:06 * mrmoku is going to fiddle with his DSL again... Aug 04 08:35:48 * Mirv published new community updates on mailing lists and web Aug 04 08:52:51 JaMa: your IT dep suxx. 8)) Aug 04 08:53:40 Q-Master: I know.. Aug 04 08:59:18 Q-Master: doesn't yours? :( Aug 04 08:59:20 Or mine? Aug 04 08:59:49 PaulFertser: Mine doesn't. We use GIT and linux. 8) Aug 04 09:00:50 Q-Master: i use both too here. But i have to mingw crosscompile auxillary apps i write for pc. Aug 04 09:01:13 Q-Master: and even translate the UI to russian :/ Aug 04 09:01:32 PaulFertser: what for? we use linux in all our products. UI is in russian by default. Aug 04 09:02:36 Q-Master: you can't have russian strings as gettext identifier, thus making it russian you lose any possibility to i18n. And where i work windows systems are everywhere, so my apps should work on them :( Aug 04 09:04:11 PaulFertser: All our products are yet russian only, so it is not a real problem. 8) Aug 04 09:05:03 Q-Master: hm. Probably i just have a really strong aversion to non-english UIs. Aug 04 09:07:23 PaulFertser: nowadays we're making some devices for really dumb usage. Even OS is hidden and everything needed is autostarted in fullscreen without any possibility to switch, so UI is made due to specs provided. Aug 04 10:44:23 GNUtoo|laptop: hi Aug 04 10:44:30 GNUtoo|laptop: following thing Aug 04 10:44:47 newest official build doesnt get Xorg up somehow Aug 04 10:44:50 on dream Aug 04 10:44:53 can it be? Aug 04 10:45:24 leviathan, hi Aug 04 10:45:34 leviathan, you didn't wait enough Aug 04 10:45:43 you must wait a very long time Aug 04 10:45:46 at first boot Aug 04 10:45:50 it's really long Aug 04 10:45:59 no I mean Aug 04 10:46:06 that boots into login Aug 04 10:46:18 and then Xorg.0.log tells me Aug 04 10:46:18 login? Aug 04 10:46:29 that there would be no screens found Aug 04 10:46:54 GNUtoo|laptop: what kernel do you use? Aug 04 10:46:59 your rebased one? Aug 04 10:47:29 ouch Aug 04 10:47:29 did you modify xorg.conf? Aug 04 10:47:29 my builds work flawlessly Aug 04 10:47:31 yes Aug 04 10:47:32 you use the official SHR one? Aug 04 10:47:45 yes Aug 04 10:47:52 I now install an older build Aug 04 10:47:54 ah strange Aug 04 10:47:57 from which I know, thats workign Aug 04 10:47:58 ok Aug 04 10:48:01 *working Aug 04 10:48:01 ok Aug 04 10:48:08 maybe you should debug it Aug 04 10:48:27 I can try too Aug 04 10:48:31 but I've not a lot of time Aug 04 10:48:42 dito Aug 04 10:48:42 and a bad internet access Aug 04 10:48:49 and I'm tired Aug 04 10:48:53 I've got to learn for technical mechanics Aug 04 10:48:58 ok Aug 04 10:48:58 and analysis I+II Aug 04 10:49:04 first weeks examina Aug 04 10:49:06 ah lots of things Aug 04 10:49:07 next week Aug 04 10:49:08 ok Aug 04 10:49:21 so use an old image ... Aug 04 10:49:22 I'll have examina the whole next month Aug 04 10:49:25 yes Aug 04 10:49:33 but there is a huge issue Aug 04 10:49:36 with official images Aug 04 10:49:41 kernel Aug 04 10:49:43 I know Aug 04 10:49:44 you will miss some phonecalls Aug 04 10:49:56 until I push the new git rev to oe Aug 04 10:50:01 mhmm Aug 04 10:50:03 np Aug 04 10:50:10 I do not make phonecalls often Aug 04 10:50:15 and I very often Aug 04 10:50:26 only get phonecalls from people the sound is perfect for them Aug 04 10:50:28 -_- Aug 04 10:50:45 but anyway Aug 04 10:50:53 basically it musn't be suspended Aug 04 10:50:57 to get a phonecall Aug 04 10:51:01 ok Aug 04 10:51:13 for instance : Aug 04 10:51:17 somebody send a sms Aug 04 10:51:26 he reach the htcdream modem Aug 04 10:51:33 you wait 2 hours Aug 04 10:51:45 and go out of suspend Aug 04 10:51:55 and you get the sms as soon as you go out of suspend Aug 04 10:52:05 it should have noticied you 2h before Aug 04 10:52:14 I'll fix that Aug 04 10:52:24 it's already fixed in last kernel rev Aug 04 10:52:28 but not in oe Aug 04 10:52:46 hmm, ok Aug 04 10:53:04 GNUtoo|laptop: we should rebase our drivers on top of for-next Aug 04 10:53:06 in codeaurora Aug 04 10:53:20 daniel walker seems eager to see drivers coming from us Aug 04 10:53:22 are you kidding? Aug 04 10:53:31 ah ok Aug 04 10:53:39 they seem to have heard a great deal about our work Aug 04 10:53:43 but we shouldn't use next yet Aug 04 10:53:50 because it's highly incomplete Aug 04 10:53:56 cooperation is welcomed Aug 04 10:54:01 yes Aug 04 10:54:08 ok Aug 04 10:54:19 we should mirror for-next somewhere Aug 04 10:54:23 perhaps gitorious Aug 04 10:54:29 and then work together Aug 04 10:54:34 on it Aug 04 10:54:50 yes just make a branch Aug 04 10:54:54 ok Aug 04 10:55:02 git remotes is your friend Aug 04 10:55:59 http://gitorious.org/replicant/vanilla-tracking-gnulinux Aug 04 10:56:17 because other project claims to be only 2.6.32 Aug 04 10:57:43 ok Aug 04 10:57:56 why replicant? Aug 04 10:58:18 replicant is not anymore GNU/Linux Aug 04 10:58:30 ohh Aug 04 10:58:41 then I'll make a own project for that Aug 04 10:58:44 indeed Aug 04 10:58:44 what about Aug 04 10:58:47 msm-upstream? Aug 04 10:58:48 no Aug 04 10:58:54 use the current one Aug 04 10:59:13 http://gitorious.org/htc-msm-2-6-32/leviathan-incoming Aug 04 10:59:15 but it claims to be 2.6.32 Aug 04 10:59:17 why not using that? Aug 04 10:59:33 hmmm Aug 04 10:59:34 its not 2.6.32, its 2.6.35 Aug 04 10:59:36 :-) Aug 04 11:00:33 then create a new project Aug 04 11:00:33 and learn about git remote Aug 04 11:00:33 with git remote you can have multiples remote repos Aug 04 11:00:33 for instance Aug 04 11:00:34 you're on 2.6.35 branch Aug 04 11:00:42 and you can cherry-pick from htc-msm-2.6.32 Aug 04 11:05:28 GNUtoo|laptop: ok Aug 04 11:05:32 I'm pushing right now Aug 04 11:05:42 its transmitting Aug 04 11:05:46 should be uploaded soon Aug 04 11:05:57 patches for fbcon are included already Aug 04 11:06:06 so you should be able to boot into fbcon Aug 04 11:06:11 with proper defconfig Aug 04 11:06:26 next step shall be making usb working Aug 04 11:06:31 so that we have an interface Aug 04 11:06:46 I've written a lot to concerning this topic Aug 04 11:06:54 on arm-msm-linux Aug 04 11:07:11 GNUtoo|laptop: but alone its hopeless Aug 04 11:07:36 no it's not Aug 04 11:07:39 for instance Aug 04 11:07:58 if you've got something to test on 2.6.35 Aug 04 11:08:06 for instance to see if some bugs have been fixed Aug 04 11:08:13 you definitely need usbnet Aug 04 11:11:03 JaMa, I'm pretty sure I've sent a patch for the debugfs thing already Aug 04 11:12:18 yeah, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2010-August/011115.html Aug 04 11:12:43 me was worried about it not being received in the list Aug 04 11:17:30 GNUtoo|laptop: yes Aug 04 11:17:36 GNUtoo|laptop: thats I what I ment Aug 04 11:17:39 so we need it Aug 04 11:17:49 but I can't make it work without help Aug 04 11:17:58 thats what I ment with "alone its hopeless" Aug 04 11:18:11 ThibG: ah, pity that I overlooked it :/ Aug 04 11:18:21 np Aug 04 11:19:03 GNUtoo|laptop: do you have jabber btw? Aug 04 11:23:16 yes Aug 04 11:23:29 GNUtoo|laptop: what is the adress? Aug 04 11:23:36 perhaps you can add me? Aug 04 11:23:39 GNUtoo@jabber.org Aug 04 11:23:42 but I may change Aug 04 11:23:43 ok Aug 04 11:23:45 in the future Aug 04 11:23:55 because....jabber.org has been bought by cisco Aug 04 11:24:03 and their server is not proprietary Aug 04 11:24:09 and works very bad Aug 04 11:24:11 GNUtoo|laptop: it wasn't really bought by cisco. Aug 04 11:24:26 ah? Aug 04 11:24:28 I meant jabber.org Aug 04 11:24:30 not jabber Aug 04 11:24:36 GNUtoo|laptop: their server is now indeed proprietary. But works decently for several months straight already. Aug 04 11:24:46 ah ok Aug 04 11:25:06 GNUtoo|laptop: i'm not sure jabber.org is bought by anyone, what exactly do you mean? Aug 04 11:25:17 the domain Aug 04 11:25:26 the jabber.org server etc... Aug 04 11:25:31 x/server/xmpp server Aug 04 11:25:38 not the xmpp standard thing Aug 04 11:25:48 but peter saint andre is employed by cisco now Aug 04 11:25:51 as far as I know Aug 04 11:25:58 hmm Aug 04 11:26:16 GNUtoo|laptop: he is. Aug 04 11:26:25 ok Aug 04 11:26:39 the server is proprietary mainly because no one proposed to take care of it, except the guy behing tigase, but he as alone Aug 04 11:26:58 ok Aug 04 11:27:04 GNUtoo|laptop: but i'm not sure about the domain. And i can tell you that having talked with the folks running the server many times, i'm now quite sure their intentions are good. Aug 04 11:27:09 so they took the 2nd ( and last ) offer from the employer of some psi developer Aug 04 11:27:17 ok Aug 04 11:27:42 before, they were running ejabberd, and before jabberd 1.4, i think Aug 04 11:27:46 Yep Aug 04 11:27:51 ok Aug 04 11:27:56 ejabberd is nice Aug 04 11:28:38 btw is it easy to interface asterisk and ejabberd for calls from asterisk to jingle and jingle to asterisk Aug 04 11:29:24 But there were some tough problems under the exceptional load that jabber.org has to sustain, and they got little support from the devs. And now the M-Link team actively participates in the development and Kev (that Psi developer) is both M-Link employee and jabber.org admin. Aug 04 11:29:47 ok Aug 04 11:30:52 i think jabber.org also suffered from a high number of hardware problem :/ Aug 04 11:31:31 ah ok lol Aug 04 11:32:37 and also from some lack of communication about the proposal, etc Aug 04 11:33:44 ok Aug 04 12:01:16 Weiss: EPIC WIN! used the XOR / AND work around for transperant blitting. with frame limiter I got 51 FPS Aug 04 12:01:36 Weiss: constant. no frame drops. very very good. its realy fast. Aug 04 12:02:20 Weiss: wait... Aug 04 12:02:33 Weiss: looks like there is a frame drop too. damn Aug 04 12:06:57 every third second. maybe a buffer is full or something? Aug 04 12:07:02 or cache? Aug 04 12:07:32 the framedrop is harder when the image is actually displayed (is on screen) Aug 04 12:07:54 when its not displayed the framedrop is not 6 or 8 frames its around 25-34 frames Aug 04 12:08:03 maybe you can figure out whats happening Aug 04 12:09:34 how often after frames dropped? Aug 04 12:10:10 2 seconds 51 frame 1 second 6 frames, then again 2 seconds 51 frame 1 second 6 frames, ... Aug 04 12:10:33 the XsetClipMask function had the same frame drops Aug 04 12:10:40 but 8 fps instead of 6 Aug 04 12:11:11 dont know why, but the framedrop even happens when the window isnt displayed (minimized) but weaker (34 instead of 6 frames) Aug 04 12:11:21 maybe its a cpu problem or a gpu buffer needs to be cleared Aug 04 12:12:32 testing which function cuasing the lag Aug 04 12:12:34 causing Aug 04 12:16:27 Weiss: ok wait maybe its something diffrent. a bug in my code or something Aug 04 12:16:29 dos1: uImage-2.6.34.2-oe4.6+gitr6+3f6725d43021d2d7597027e36020df5b44d0667e-r0-om-gta02.bin, wanna test? :) Aug 04 12:16:52 kernel? Aug 04 12:17:13 @ Jama Aug 04 12:17:29 yes, it's kernel image :) Aug 04 12:17:55 added here: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-kms/ Aug 04 12:22:03 JaMa: what's the difference between yesterday's build? Aug 04 12:23:28 rohezal: maybe you could try closing down the whole X environment, running just the X server (no other things), make sure no FSO stuff is running (or anything else that might eat CPU)? Aug 04 12:24:26 Weiss: sorry for the wrong alert. i disabled the copy from the XCopyArea(buffer, window) and kept steady 50 FPS. Aug 04 12:24:34 aha, ok Aug 04 12:24:53 dos1: modularized as .32 is, and upgraded to .34.2 Aug 04 12:25:03 the buffer is a pixmap (640*480). and i got 50 FPS. so it MUST be on the gpu Aug 04 12:25:15 Weiss: i try to use 30 FPS Limit Aug 04 12:25:23 Weiss: maybe it just get to hot or something Aug 04 12:25:34 rohezal: but the CPU has to tell the GPU what to do.. Aug 04 12:26:32 thats right, but there isnt a fat 640*480*2 Byte data transfer... but i wonder how much traffic a XcopyArea or XcopyPlane creates between cpu <->gpu Aug 04 12:41:42 Weiss: strange did some research. With 32 FPS Limit (ca. 29 FPS in reality) the lag is much weaker. around 26 FPS. so between 26-29 FPS. this is preatty good Aug 04 12:41:58 26-30 FPS i mean Aug 04 12:44:48 Weiss: Same code with Clipmask: 30 FPS with 19 FPS drop. seems like XSetClipmask is still done on the cpu. Checking now with top the cpu usage Aug 04 12:49:41 almost same the but the application is not in top 3 without clipmask (as far as i see). Aug 04 12:49:51 so.. every time you upload that 640x480x2 thing, it slows? Aug 04 12:51:51 no i just upload it one time Aug 04 12:51:54 at the beginning Aug 04 12:52:04 the frame drops came after each third frame Aug 04 12:52:28 if you want i can send u the source, so you can look after it yourself. i can clean it up a bit so its even readable ;) Aug 04 12:55:00 GNUtoo|laptop: http://gitorious.org/msm-upstream/msm-upstream/commits/master Aug 04 12:55:13 GNUtoo|laptop: we shall rebase onto here Aug 04 12:55:15 :-) Aug 04 13:01:37 Weiss: running top when the programm is started drops the FPS to 17. i think its a cpu limit Aug 04 13:20:08 JaMa: what is the state of 2.6.34 these days? Aug 04 13:27:28 mrmoku: gena2x's fix makes gsm usable again Aug 04 13:27:46 but I haven't tried sound with latest Aug 04 13:28:45 JaMa: you have one build on your host? to try? Aug 04 13:29:05 mrmoku: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-kms/ has latest to Aug 04 13:29:06 o Aug 04 13:30:14 JaMa: ahh, ok :) Aug 04 13:30:15 thanks Aug 04 13:30:22 yw Aug 04 14:33:26 JaMa: the 2.6.34-2 generates lots of noize for the input, so instead of click, you get a slide again Aug 04 14:34:34 again? it was always like this with .34 Aug 04 14:34:47 because there is no kernel driver filtering Aug 04 14:34:49 :) so yes, this is what i mean Aug 04 14:34:51 yup Aug 04 14:35:30 mrmoku`: yes I forgot to say this is also bad for users ^^^ Aug 04 14:35:51 well, clearly, the oskeyboard is less then usable Aug 04 14:36:35 mrmoku`: there is evfilter for userspace http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~metan/evfilter/ Aug 04 14:38:20 JaMa: ifdown/ifup usb0 gets networking running Aug 04 14:40:38 * vanous getting sim in for a test call Aug 04 14:41:12 vanous: isn't unplug/plug usb cable enough? (instead of ifdown/ifup) Aug 04 14:41:17 JaMa: i had to "modprobe snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753" manually Aug 04 14:41:24 vanous: I did test call.. but no sound Aug 04 14:41:28 USB networking worked just fine Aug 04 14:41:34 dos1: with latest? Aug 04 14:41:39 JaMa: yup Aug 04 14:41:47 JaMa: but even after modprobe sound does not work Aug 04 14:41:50 [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:587:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed (-110): Connection timed out Aug 04 14:41:51 [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_direct.c:1052:(snd1_pcm_direct_initialize_slave) unable to start PCM stream Aug 04 14:41:53 [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_dmix.c:1030:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to initialize slave Aug 04 14:41:55 [AO_ALSA] Playback open error: Connection timed out Aug 04 14:42:19 dos1: ls -l /etc/modutils/*? Aug 04 14:42:27 JaMa: yeah... I remember Aug 04 14:42:34 JaMa: not enough, down/up needed here Aug 04 14:42:34 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29 Nov 21 2009 /etc/modutils/snd-soc-neo Aug 04 14:42:36 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29 Jun 9 00:26 /etc/modutils/snd-soc-neo1973-gta02-wm8753 Aug 04 14:42:40 (and more, but unrelated :P) Aug 04 14:42:54 dos1: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/cgi-bin/openmoko-bugs.py?q=Connection%20timed%20out Aug 04 14:43:01 dos1: did you install it from shr-kms feed? Aug 04 14:43:07 JaMa: yup Aug 04 14:43:14 JaMa: oh, wait, feed? Aug 04 14:43:32 dos1: yup feed.. that file is created only from kernel-module-snd-... package Aug 04 14:43:33 just downloaded kernel, unpacked modules and runned depmod :P Aug 04 14:43:40 JaMa: oh, ok then Aug 04 14:43:42 dos1: then it's expected Aug 04 14:44:19 dos1: but now with 2.6.32.17 you should get it too if you have kernel-module-* installed Aug 04 14:45:21 JaMa: i still have .16 Aug 04 14:46:05 lindi-: amixer -qc0 cset numid=87,name='DAPM Stereo Out Switch' on Aug 04 14:46:09 lindi-: doesn't work :( Aug 04 14:46:13 dos1: we can sync, when it finishes.. Aug 04 14:47:19 lindi-: but working.state from gena2x worked :) Aug 04 14:47:31 Cannot initiate call, (2)+CME ERROR: 3 Aug 04 14:48:40 dos1: can you please add output of "amixer contents" in both broken and working case to the bug report? Aug 04 14:48:53 vanous: I was able to call from 2nd phone to fr OK (but without sound) strance Aug 04 14:50:01 after 1st boot i got a freeze, might have fs errors, correcting now Aug 04 14:53:47 guys what are the new kernel futures? Aug 04 15:31:07 * mrmoku should do some sports too :/ Aug 04 15:34:09 up, down, up, down, up, down, up, down Aug 04 15:34:12 now the other eyelid Aug 04 15:34:26 mrmoku: your FR is you motivation for sports, just buy a Zephyr HxM and and start logging with gps and heartrate Aug 04 15:35:06 s/u m/ur m/ Aug 04 15:35:06 sicu meant: mrmoku: your FR is your motivation for sports, just buy a Zephyr HxM and and start logging with gps and heartrate Aug 04 16:10:29 sicu: nah, I need some sport without spending money :P Aug 04 16:12:47 so with 2.6.34 we need only ts filtering and new alsa states, yep? Aug 04 16:12:53 or something else too? Aug 04 16:15:03 mrmoku: jogging? Aug 04 16:17:44 mrmoku: well, do any kind of free tracking sports with your FR for GPS tracking, the heartrate monitor only adds a little extra, not a necessity Aug 04 16:19:32 jogging, cycling, rollerblading, rollerskiing, etc, depending on what equipment you already have Aug 04 16:19:55 but as blindcoder said, jogging is the cheaper options if you have no equipment Aug 04 16:23:00 and if you find a way to also get your female SO into any kind of activity, tell me Aug 04 16:37:22 blindcoder: SO? Aug 04 16:39:53 Martix: significant other (drahá polovička) :) Aug 04 16:40:36 vanous1: ok, english explanation was enough :-) Aug 04 16:41:36 mrmoku: I found osm a good motivation to make some trips. But that's walking, so probably not much of a sport. Aug 04 16:42:05 mrmoku: I can recommend biking and skiing, it depends on weather :-) Aug 04 16:42:14 at least one changes the background from wall+display to forrest/nature :) Aug 04 16:58:21 vanous1: i guess your translation was not very strict, was it? ;) Aug 04 16:59:09 vanous1: is drahá polovička=="the other half" ? Aug 04 17:00:39 precious half Aug 04 17:00:50 druhá=other Aug 04 17:00:54 (the other) Aug 04 17:01:04 Ok Aug 04 17:01:08 Good to know :) Aug 04 17:01:14 :) Aug 04 17:12:31 just worried about pregnancy/birth issues due to overweight, so any suggestions to improve the fork() welcome :) Aug 04 17:14:18 ehm? Aug 04 17:15:28 blindcoder: show the code :D Aug 04 17:23:49 PaulFertser: yup Aug 04 17:37:31 sicu, blindcoder: don't worry... I have my ergometer... just not time :P Aug 04 17:38:31 zub: someday I will have to dig into mapping... just over here everything seems mapped Aug 04 17:39:20 Martix: yeah... that's why I have an ergometer... it's weather independent ;) Aug 04 17:43:25 Is using org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM to access contacts/messages a bad idea? I was considering writing a telephony/SMS app that doesn't use opimd (so I can have user-specific phonebooks, instead of system-wide, and also ease the syncing with my desktop) Aug 04 17:49:47 By the way, libphone-ui-shr data files (edc files) don't carry license information in the headers, I wanted to steal them for my app. Could I assume they are GPL3? Aug 04 17:51:07 thrashold: you'd have to implement your own storage of contacts, messages and call logs and to listen for the IncomingMessage signals. Aug 04 17:51:21 I read up on that part Aug 04 18:19:47 fragmentation as a _reason_ for fragmentation? : http://people.defora.org/~khorben/place/blog/88/The-DeforaOS-smartphone-environment Aug 04 19:34:55 thrashold: the libs are lgpl... steal whatever you like ;) Aug 04 19:35:55 mrmoku`: it should still be better to add at least a one-line copyright notice to every source file. Aug 04 19:39:41 leviathan, hi Aug 04 19:40:18 I can't download the newer shr rootfs because I'm on 3g and it's too stormy outside Aug 04 19:40:55 PaulFertser: yep... we did that the other day for all source files in phoneuid, phonefsod and phoneui-apps Aug 04 19:41:08 PaulFertser: still to do libphone-ui and libphone-ui-shr Aug 04 19:41:35 mrmoku`: cool :) Aug 04 19:41:47 debian folks are forcing us :P Aug 04 19:41:53 (and right they are) Aug 04 19:47:58 leviathan, ping Aug 04 19:48:04 hi Deubeuliou Aug 04 19:54:29 hi leviathan Aug 04 20:02:53 hi mrmoku Aug 04 20:03:01 you've got access to build logs? Aug 04 20:03:37 can you give me the do_rootfs log of htcdream? Aug 04 20:03:38 GNUtoo|laptop: on shr buildhost? Aug 04 20:03:42 yes Aug 04 20:03:45 moment Aug 04 20:04:12 leviathan, said that xf86-video-fbdev is lacking and the installed packages files confirm Aug 04 20:07:10 GNUtoo|laptop: http://build.shr-project.org/tests/mrmoku/htcdream Aug 04 20:07:14 thanks Aug 04 20:07:51 mrmoku, how much space does it take? Aug 04 20:08:02 can you bzip2? Aug 04 20:08:07 because I'm on 3g Aug 04 20:08:23 ohh... k Aug 04 20:08:25 moment again Aug 04 20:08:54 before: Aug 04 20:08:55 -rw-r--r-- 1 shr shr 4015835 Aug 4 22:05 log.do_rootfs.28792 Aug 04 20:08:58 now: Aug 04 20:09:02 -rw-r--r-- 1 shr shr 98169 Aug 4 22:05 log.do_rootfs.28792.bz2 Aug 04 20:09:05 nice Aug 04 20:09:39 done thanks a lot Aug 04 20:10:51 hmmm Aug 04 20:10:52 du: write error Aug 04 20:10:54 what's that Aug 04 20:10:54 ? Aug 04 20:12:43 hmmm Aug 04 20:12:44 * opkg_conf_set_option: Duplicate option tmp_dir, using first seen value "/home/shr/shr-unstable/tmp/rootfs/shr-lite-image-tmp". Aug 04 20:13:42 ??? Aug 04 20:14:20