**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 05 02:59:57 2010 Aug 05 05:33:43 mrmoku|away: ping Aug 05 07:03:57 mrmoku|away: n900 kernel built just fine now.. my fault with defconfig (I forget to merge their configs together before copying it to OE) Aug 05 07:35:17 mickey|munich: what are you doing in munich again ;) Aug 05 07:35:29 Q-Master: pong Aug 05 07:35:35 JaMa: good :-) Aug 05 07:37:36 mrmoku: It seems that there's a problem with phoneui which causes fsogsmd to close the channel. I've seen that the lock-screen seems segfaulted on suspend while showing that the GSM is off. Aug 05 07:38:07 Q-Master: logs? Aug 05 07:38:17 mrmoku: not yet. Aug 05 07:39:45 mrmoku: and shr-lite-image@n900 built fine now :) Aug 05 07:40:56 JaMa: ohh... great... can't wait that it will hit me :D Aug 05 07:41:35 Q-Master: slap me with the logs as soon as you have them please :-) Aug 05 07:42:13 mrmoku: any ETA on package delivery? :) Aug 05 07:42:58 latest news I heard is that the responsible is back from vacation and that he's finalizing the list Aug 05 07:43:27 good, thanks Aug 05 07:44:16 mickeyl: is that normal? http://pastebin.org/448440 Aug 05 07:49:18 mrmoku: all that i have. http://pastebin.org/448445 Why the phoneui stars so many times? Aug 05 07:50:07 Q-Master: hmm... is that full updated shr-u? Aug 05 07:50:22 it does not start multiple times... just segfaults and restarts :P Aug 05 07:50:43 I thought I fixed that segfault... Aug 05 07:51:50 mrmoku: seems not. seems that's why fsogsmd is closing the GSM. 8( Aug 05 07:52:56 mrmoku: http://pastebin.org/448452 Aug 05 07:54:15 mrmoku: yeah, one single timeout and fsogsmd closes the channel and you've got no idea bout it until you try to call somebody :/ Aug 05 08:03:15 hiii!!!! Aug 05 08:03:17 good news! Aug 05 08:03:27 can't get gsm registration with 2.6.32.17 :D Aug 05 08:03:37 (sob :( ) Aug 05 08:05:41 ;) Aug 05 08:55:44 * daniele_athome has powered off his Freerunner for lack of GSM :( Aug 05 08:56:42 daniele_athome: something interesting in log? I have gsm registered with 2.6.32.17... Aug 05 08:56:52 JaMa, i'll open a ticket Aug 05 08:57:00 with logs :) Aug 05 08:57:08 daniele_athome: works for me too Aug 05 08:59:21 oh :( Aug 05 08:59:29 i'm actually using mokosuite but it has always worked Aug 05 09:02:44 daniele_athome: was there an upgrade of fsogsmd together with the kernel? Aug 05 09:03:13 mrmoku, no Aug 05 09:03:28 it's working fine with 2.6.32.13 Aug 05 09:04:19 wait a sec, i'm generating log with loglevel debug Aug 05 09:05:21 Hi all Aug 05 09:05:45 hi shiva_ Aug 05 09:05:47 Is this the place to ask questions regarding android development ? Aug 05 09:05:48 mrmoku, JaMa: http://pastebin.com/GdJbcs46 Aug 05 09:06:09 there are some CME end EXT errors Aug 05 09:06:21 shiva_, i suppose not Aug 05 09:06:50 shiva_: #android-on-freerunner Aug 05 09:07:01 or #android Aug 05 09:07:34 daniele_athome, ok.. Thanks :) Aug 05 09:09:11 mrmoku, seems that manually retriggering GSM.Network.Register() did register to home network Aug 05 09:09:13 mmm... Aug 05 09:09:25 but why with this kernel? Aug 05 09:09:31 daniele_athome: how do you activate GSM? Aug 05 09:11:11 mrmoku, usual way: wait for the gsm resource to be available Aug 05 09:11:19 then request gsm, wait for response Aug 05 09:11:46 set functionality to full Aug 05 09:11:46 and then SetFunctionality? Aug 05 09:11:53 with autoregister? Aug 05 09:12:05 (second param to true?) Aug 05 09:12:11 mrmoku, yes Aug 05 09:12:13 is it a problem? Aug 05 09:12:16 no Aug 05 09:12:21 should just work Aug 05 09:12:29 anyway, after successful functionality, i request auth status Aug 05 09:12:38 daniele_athome: what fsogsmd revision do you have installed? Aug 05 09:12:48 mrmoku, latest shr-u Aug 05 09:13:01 1:0.5.0+gitr837+b163e36f9c960c6fea92168e88201be98dcceaef-r2.3.5 ? Aug 05 09:13:12 yes Aug 05 09:13:24 mrmoku, don't mind, it might be my problem (mokosuite) ;) Aug 05 09:13:29 ok :P Aug 05 09:14:06 mrmoku, i'm realizing now Aug 05 09:14:16 getAuthStatus call throws an error Aug 05 09:14:24 org.freesmartphone.Unavailable Aug 05 09:14:41 but then my app calls network.register anyway Aug 05 09:14:44 so this could be the problem... Aug 05 09:15:10 but: getAuthStatus() is called in setfunctionality callback Aug 05 09:15:16 so after setting functionality Aug 05 09:17:00 daniele_athome: why don't you just listen to the auth status signal Aug 05 09:17:01 ? Aug 05 09:18:03 mrmoku, actually I do... i don't remember why I call getauthstatus() anyway Aug 05 09:18:10 maybe to speed it up Aug 05 09:21:34 mrmoku, here it is Aug 05 09:21:40 error on setfunctionality Aug 05 09:21:48 still the same, org.freesmartphone.Unavailable Aug 05 09:22:15 code -1 Aug 05 09:41:40 mrmoku`: can you plz repeat for me how to check status of git origin? Aug 05 09:48:58 mrmoku`, anyway, system hangs are really frequent Aug 05 09:56:54 Q-Master: what do you mean? Aug 05 09:57:12 daniele_athome: hmm... Aug 05 09:57:35 mrmoku`: forget it. too tired already. It's too hot here. 8( Aug 05 09:58:34 mrmoku`, could it be because of qvga? Aug 05 09:58:50 daniele_athome: system hangs... might be... dunno Aug 05 13:26:29 Hi, I just opkg updated and upgraded and noticed that there are no new updates since last ~3 month? - I'm using shr-testing and have problems with wlan Aug 05 13:28:23 ukev: shr-t maintainer seems to be busy with other stuff, you can try my newer build in http://build.shr-project.org/tests/shr-testing/ Aug 05 13:28:51 JaMa, thanks. Do I need to reflash? I've done very much settings Aug 05 13:28:55 ukev: read "[Shr-User] [SHR-T] Images from 29th of May" thread for more info Aug 05 13:29:14 no opkg upgrade should work Aug 05 13:29:21 JaMa, I read it, but because it's a bit old I thought I could ask if there is something new around Aug 05 13:29:59 You mentioned that the feeds needs to be changed, whats the new url? I couldn't find it in your post nor the wiki Aug 05 13:30:00 ukev: newer than 29th May? no.. I plan next shr-t build after stabilizing 2.6.32 in shr-u Aug 05 13:30:18 ukev: see the link I wrote a minute ago.. Aug 05 13:30:20 :) Aug 05 13:30:20 approx time frame? Aug 05 13:30:35 just add "tests" dir to URL Aug 05 13:30:57 ok great Aug 05 13:30:57 time frame: probably long Aug 05 13:31:07 month, half year, year? Aug 05 13:31:50 I know, that you can only give a guess, but that would be enough for me for planning Aug 05 13:32:11 no idea, uSD problem is here from the beginning and still not fixed.. so half year (maybe) Aug 05 13:32:32 ok so I will upgrade now to your end of may builds Aug 05 13:32:52 or do you recommend upgrade to unstable? is it to unstable? Aug 05 13:33:18 what uSD problems exist? I've nothing noticed Aug 05 13:33:19 it's usable from my perspective.. but I would keep shr-t as fallback for sure Aug 05 13:33:56 I keep 3 versions of shr-u... Aug 05 13:34:42 ukev: locks/fs-breakage, seldom with some uSD cards (like mine), often with other cards.. Aug 05 13:35:09 ukev: needs someone with "good" card to prepare reproducible test.. Aug 05 13:35:41 and then help form kernel gurus like larsc, gena2x, ThibG .. :) Aug 05 13:36:16 How do you notice the problems? Aug 05 13:36:32 or whats the impact ;) Aug 05 13:36:36 I would be glad to help Aug 05 13:37:04 hm: opkg_download: Failed to download http://build.shr-project.org/tests/shr-testing/ipk//armv4/Packages.gz: HTTP response code said error. Aug 05 13:39:09 JaMa: btw, about usd Aug 05 13:39:30 JaMa: i noticed that my fs is breaked only with shr kernel. Aug 05 13:39:42 ukev: armv4 is empty.. but fixed to hide the warning.. Aug 05 13:40:07 gena2x: so you think it's another bleeding edge toolchain gift? Aug 05 13:40:14 JaMa: i have xfs, and seem shr kernel can't unmount it properly. Aug 05 13:40:40 JaMa: not really, mine is ok with both 4.4 and .4.1. Aug 05 13:40:46 gena2x: but it happens also with ext[23] Aug 05 13:40:51 JaMa, ok so it should be save to leave armv4 the old feed? Aug 05 13:41:12 ukev: you can even delete armv4 Aug 05 13:41:17 ukev: it's always empty Aug 05 13:41:25 JaMa: and shr kernel problem is with shr kernel rebuilt here. so not toolchain for sure. Aug 05 13:41:32 ukev: yes you can remove it from /etc/opkg, but I copied "empty" armv4 dir to tests/shr-t feeds too Aug 05 13:41:41 gena2x: ah ok Aug 05 13:42:03 gena2x: can you share defconfig.diff? Aug 05 13:42:31 JaMa: i am using non-drm config from git Aug 05 13:42:46 gena2x: ok Aug 05 13:43:11 JaMa: and yeah, i am comparing .34 and .32, so actually problem may be anywhere. Aug 05 13:43:37 ok great.. I've another opkg usability question: Sometimes my network connection get killed while opkg upgrade, so I can not finish properly. I'm now using opkg upgrade --download-only and after all download is finished I use opkg install * to install the updates... but this marks all packages as manual installs. Is there a better way? e.g. make opkg upgrade using the already downloaded packages? Aug 05 13:43:40 SHR's .34 seems to be stable regarding SD card here Aug 05 13:43:49 JaMa: i mean .34-fb with .32-drm. Aug 05 13:44:00 just note. may be it will help someone. Aug 05 13:44:39 and i really annoyed to plug out sd card, check fses, replug and boot. Aug 05 13:44:55 seem like some problem with last write or so. Aug 05 13:45:06 my information is never lost. Aug 05 13:45:28 I have fsck -f on every boot to be sure it boots even after smaller breakage Aug 05 13:46:15 also moving e17 icon cache (efreet from $HOME) to volatile helped a lot (after removing battery I often got no icons on home screen) Aug 05 13:46:55 ah not -f anymore, just -y Aug 05 13:47:02 -f was too much :) Aug 05 13:48:25 dos1: do you have fixed alsa scenario for fsodeviced? can you test it's compatible with .32 and push it? Aug 05 13:48:59 JaMa: no, but i'll do that :) Aug 05 13:49:13 dos1: thanks Aug 05 14:04:58 JaMa: btw, may be it will be easy to workaround this problem - add some unrelated reads after unmounting all fses. just idea. Aug 05 14:18:09 newbie question on building my own version of contacts. I've gone through "http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Getting%20started%20developing%20SHR" and edited conf/local-builds.inc so that I can build contacts. As shr-apps directory contains a dir shr-contacts I wrongly assumed I'd be running ". setup-env" and then bitbake shr-contacts. Of course there's no such recipe :-( I've looked at the various recipes and there is one openmok Aug 05 14:18:09 o2/openmoko-contacts2_svn.bb is that the one I'm looking for? Aug 05 14:19:46 Arigead: you don't want to edit phoneui-contacts anyway Aug 05 14:19:54 Arigead: libphone-ui-shr is what you want Aug 05 14:20:01 (probably :P) Aug 05 14:21:25 dos1: thanks but can I ask what's "shr-apps/shr-contacts" I pulled that in from git as per the web page instructions. Aug 05 14:22:04 and shr-apps don't contain libphone-ui-shr? Sorry now I am confused ;-) Aug 05 14:22:16 http://git.shr-project.org/git/ Aug 05 14:22:18 Arigead: shr-apps are only dbus wrappers Aug 05 14:22:29 doing just _one_ thing... _one_ dbus call :) Aug 05 14:23:32 mrmoku: Bit lazy aren't they! I suppose they do one thing well though. So that web page might be considered a bit of a red herring? Aug 05 14:29:18 Arigead: well shr-apps is just one example... maybe a bad one :P Aug 05 14:29:30 replace it with libphone-ui-shr and you have what you want Aug 05 14:32:59 thanks just clowning libphone-ui-shr and I'll try to build that. Thanks for your help Aug 05 15:03:18 JaMa: not compatible :( Aug 05 15:03:37 i'll check diff Aug 05 15:41:09 http://cslab.knu.ac.kr/~blog/sysnet/attachment/1009807402.pdf If I use flash memory for swapping will it run faster??? Aug 05 15:44:51 it will just wear off. really faster imo. Aug 05 15:46:46 you mean battery will finished really fast? Aug 05 15:48:37 1. we have no such timings for flash in fr as mentioned in articale. Aug 05 15:51:16 mrmoku: any news on segfault fix? Aug 05 15:51:59 So swap on nand flash or on partition@memory card? Aug 05 15:52:29 my current solution is 'no swap'. Aug 05 15:54:38 are you sure you really need swap? Aug 05 15:59:04 argiris: flash wearing, not battery wearing ;P Aug 05 16:13:01 Q-Master: no, had not time yet... and will not till late tonight :/ Aug 05 17:08:22 JaMa, I now have your builds, but wifi does still not work Aug 05 17:08:55 (and the buttons of iliwifi are not pressable) Aug 05 17:34:17 hi Aug 05 17:34:28 on om-gta02 I've some issues with the debug board Aug 05 17:34:51 I see nothing on serial port /dev/ttyUSB0 Aug 05 17:35:51 when I enter characters I've some ? Aug 05 17:36:04 picocom -b 115200 /dev/ttyUSB0 Aug 05 17:36:26 GNUtoo|laptop: is flow control disabled? Aug 05 17:36:56 GNUtoo|laptop: and the parameters should be 8n1 (as usual). Aug 05 17:37:02 it's 8n1 Aug 05 17:37:13 parity is : none Aug 05 17:37:14 databits are : 8 Aug 05 17:37:43 I suspect a hardware issue somewhere Aug 05 17:37:50 Yeah, and the flow control should be disabled. Aug 05 17:37:56 now using the cable a special way I made the reset button work Aug 05 17:38:07 flowcontrol : none Aug 05 17:38:15 GNUtoo|laptop: make sure you unlocked the debug connector fully, then pushed the flexi cable fully (but do not bend it!) and locked properly again. Aug 05 17:38:57 I made the reset button working again bending it Aug 05 17:39:03 hmmm Aug 05 17:39:55 yesterday the debug cable worked a bit Aug 05 17:40:08 if you pressed on the om-gta02's connector Aug 05 17:40:17 so on one hand you press Aug 05 17:40:25 and with the second one you type commands Aug 05 17:40:27 it's not great Aug 05 17:40:29 GNUtoo|laptop: the flexi cable is known to be fragile... Aug 05 17:40:33 but I heard you're used to that Aug 05 17:40:34 ok Aug 05 17:40:36 GNUtoo|laptop: but the connector itself is good. Aug 05 17:40:46 I'm not used to that, i do not have a debug board :) Aug 05 17:41:03 ok Aug 05 17:41:25 so it wasn't you that flashed bootloaders this way: Aug 05 17:41:41 one one hand this person was holding the wires Aug 05 17:41:59 and in the second hand this person was typing commands for flashing the bootloader Aug 05 17:42:04 GNUtoo|laptop: i guess i flashed the NOR bootloader that way, yes, probably :) Aug 05 17:42:10 I do not really remember Aug 05 17:42:15 I might have soldered as well. Aug 05 17:42:40 (flashed the nor just to prove it's flashable without the dboard) Aug 05 17:42:43 I've soldered too on my freerunner Aug 05 17:42:54 the upper-left button broke Aug 05 17:42:58 so I soldered it back Aug 05 17:44:13 is there a way to fix my flex-cable? Aug 05 17:45:23 hmmm Aug 05 17:45:25 I've another idea Aug 05 17:45:29 I lower the speed Aug 05 17:45:35 I'll try Aug 05 17:46:08 I bet I'll have to modify picocom Aug 05 17:46:10 for that Aug 05 17:46:22 s/picocom/qi Aug 05 17:47:01 btw is the alignment fixed? Aug 05 17:47:04 in newer images Aug 05 17:47:11 I keep updating and still no fix Aug 05 17:47:16 I heard it was hard to fix Aug 05 17:49:45 3) is it possible to power the freerunner when it's using the debug cable Aug 05 17:49:53 because I always had garbage on the serial line and it refusing to boot when power adaptor was present Aug 05 17:50:15 GNUtoo|laptop: should be booting fine, no idea what happens there Aug 05 17:51:30 ok Aug 05 17:55:17 same issue with 9600 Aug 05 17:55:17 hmmm Aug 05 17:57:56 so weird, I'm the only one that has access to my WAP2 router, and still, for some reason DSL was set to off in the menu :| Aug 05 19:07:32 TAsn: you mean you *think* you're the only one with access? ;) Aug 05 19:08:07 exactly. Aug 05 19:08:22 I used a complicated password: my AP name. Aug 05 19:08:41 I can't figure out how they got it. Aug 05 19:08:43 (j/k) Aug 05 19:09:16 :P Aug 05 20:01:36 hello Aug 05 20:02:17 hey, I can see that SHR uses evdev, and configures it using xinput_calibrator Aug 05 20:03:02 live building shr TV channel:-) :http://norman-schleicher.de/hudson/job/shr-unstable-image/5/console Aug 05 20:03:03 first question: is that needed? (are calibration values changes significant between GTA02s?) Aug 05 20:03:16 ThibG: that's since the switch to xerver-1.7 Aug 05 20:03:44 second question: can that be done without the xinput utility? Aug 05 20:04:00 ThibG: there are some users that need to calibrate there screen but not much Aug 05 20:04:12 ok Aug 05 20:04:33 for evdev xinput_calibrator is the only thing we have to calibrate Aug 05 20:05:07 ThibG: hello, in the original openmoko image the calibration was hardcoded Aug 05 20:06:03 * lindi- has never needed any calibration Aug 05 20:06:36 ThibG: if you install shr, no calibration is forced and for me it works Aug 05 20:06:38 I know from 2 users that they need to calibrate there screen ;) Aug 05 20:06:51 ok Aug 05 20:07:00 and how do you emulate right mouse button? Aug 05 20:07:48 maybe I'm going to package xinput-calibrator for Debian, then... Aug 05 20:08:01 i mean i am using tslib. is rmb possible in evdev? Aug 05 20:08:14 gena2x, I think not Aug 05 20:08:20 gena2x, with this gtk module Aug 05 20:08:22 but I never had to use left-click Aug 05 20:08:31 er, right Aug 05 20:08:44 heh. Aug 05 20:08:59 may be better to fix tslib somehow? Aug 05 20:09:14 it's still a good thing to have a calibrator Aug 05 20:09:15 ThibG: but i think shr is not only running on openmoko Aug 05 20:09:34 and does your installer works in X or fb? Aug 05 20:09:36 and evdev is installed on a base Debian, not tslib Aug 05 20:09:43 the latest tslib works fine too in SHR Aug 05 20:09:44 gena2x, I have both versions Aug 05 20:09:45 (i never saw graphical debian installer) Aug 05 20:09:55 but evdev was the first one working Aug 05 20:10:09 ThibG: so it may be possible that shr running on other devices than freerunner needs calibration Aug 05 20:10:18 ok Aug 05 20:10:28 I think I'm going to use xinput-calibrator anyway Aug 05 20:10:50 it seems nice to do that in g-i in case the device needs it Aug 05 20:11:07 ThibG: base debian never where widely used with touchscreen devices, i guess? Aug 05 20:11:27 I don't think it was, indeed Aug 05 20:11:32 i mean as main input source. Aug 05 20:11:44 this may be reason of such preference. Aug 05 20:12:04 ThibG: btw, i do not like debian-installer, i'd prefer to have a little bit more smarter debootstrap for all installation needs. Aug 05 20:12:17 what's wrong with d-i? Aug 05 20:14:12 ThibG: feel clumsy to me. Doesn't allow doing anything slightly wrong etc. Aug 05 20:14:55 ThibG: and i do not see any reason to spend that much of effort on all those d-i modules when one can boot a real system and do the stuff needed. Aug 05 20:19:35 only real problem of d-i on fr i think is sd card speed, so it is slower than debootstrap on host. but overwise - it should be not bad. Aug 05 20:20:48 d-i is itself bad imho, on any host. Too many useless questions, why all that? Why not add some tiny helper to make debootstrap a little bit easier? Aug 05 20:22:09 hm. which questions are useless in d-i? Aug 05 20:22:40 language? partitioning? task selection? Aug 05 20:22:49 I'm not sure, but i'm not satisfied with it almost every time i use. Aug 05 20:23:20 gena2x: gentoo doesn't have no strange installer, and it works nice. Aug 05 20:23:44 gena2x: and yes, language selection is stupid Aug 05 20:24:05 hm. you expect everyone is speaking english? Aug 05 20:24:07 gena2x: i mean i have to set LC_MESSAGES=C manually anyway, so why ask me about it. Aug 05 20:24:33 but d-i is really for fresh installations. Aug 05 20:24:38 gena2x: i want ru locale but LC_MESSAGES=C. And d-i doesn't allow it. Aug 05 20:24:52 wait, wait. Aug 05 20:24:57 may be i am missing something. Aug 05 20:25:01 gena2x: also it doesn't allow me to arbitrary skip some questions even if i'm sure that's ok. Aug 05 20:25:25 ThibG: d-i should work on freerunner, without any host iteraction, yes? Aug 05 20:26:20 I see no sense in that tbh, damn so many computers around, so using some real keyboard is not a problem. Aug 05 20:26:41 PaulFertser: i think d-i allows to skip any non-critical questions. Aug 05 20:26:59 gena2x: i want to decide on my own what's critical and what's not. Aug 05 20:27:16 i think you can. Aug 05 20:27:53 gena2x: also debian's netinstall images are unnecessarily limited etc etc Aug 05 20:27:53 but you have to select place where to install, setup network to find where to get packages, etc. Aug 05 20:28:49 from my expierence, debian installer is most flexible installer i ever seem. Aug 05 20:28:50 PaulFertser: o/ Aug 05 20:28:57 gena2x: yes, with debootstrap i can do the same but in a much more flexible way. Aug 05 20:29:05 LIVE BUILDINg SHR TV http://norman-schleicher.de/hudson/job/shr-unstable-image/5/console Aug 05 20:29:12 DocScrutinizer: hey hey yo :) Aug 05 20:29:40 real question what is better - flash image and then setup it, or go in debian-way. Aug 05 20:29:55 PaulFertser: debootstrap involves using of other host. Aug 05 20:30:37 gena2x: not necessarily, you just boot by whatever means. Aug 05 20:30:50 gena2x: i can imagine using debootstrap even with on-screen FR keyboard. Aug 05 20:31:36 but if you already boot target system why do you need debootstrap? Aug 05 20:31:46 or installer? Aug 05 20:32:02 I boot whatever but i want to install debian. Aug 05 20:32:54 you mean you boot , then install with debootstrap??? Aug 05 20:33:01 gena2x: sure Aug 05 20:33:08 gena2x: it seems to be the most natural way to me Aug 05 20:33:27 gena2x: d-i would be a lot more flexible if it could be run like debootstrap Aug 05 20:33:58 lindi-: btw, do you share (some of) my concerns wrt d-i? Aug 05 20:34:07 PaulFertser: well I understand the legacy Aug 05 20:34:21 PaulFertser: so, you need to have make your hardware working with other system, and you end up with setting up 2 systems. Aug 05 20:34:38 In fact i once asked d-i folks why they're doing that. They told me something along the lines that Debian needs to accomodate to the needs of some mythical "users". Aug 05 20:34:42 one for running debootstrap, one you 'installing'. Aug 05 20:34:57 gena2x: for running d-i you'd need the same. Aug 05 20:35:05 no. Aug 05 20:35:47 gena2x: how do you suppose to start it then? Aug 05 20:35:48 you must only load image to ram, and have some input device. Aug 05 20:36:05 and this task can be performed by simple bootloader. Aug 05 20:36:55 gena2x: i might be too sleepy or too stupid but i can't get your reasoning. Aug 05 20:37:35 but with debootrap you have first setup system not only to support this, but also hdd, fdisk, setup network and so on. Aug 05 20:38:12 so, you should have fully working posix system. Aug 05 20:38:20 but this produces recursion Aug 05 20:38:23 gena2x: same with d-i, it should have means to setup network etc etc Aug 05 20:38:36 to get fully working posix system you need installer. Aug 05 20:39:13 PaulFertser: anyways, you can now run d-i from livecd Aug 05 20:39:57 gena2x: or a live system Aug 05 20:41:05 lindi-: i'd like to have a really easy (to learn and to perform) way of mass-deploying Debian in my uni lab (got to do that soon), including automatically shrinking ntfs to free up some space for the system. Aug 05 20:41:34 PaulFertser: not really experienced in that Aug 05 20:41:51 mass-deploy is really other task. Aug 05 20:42:27 lindi-: it's all complicated by the lack of cd-roms on all machines, so i'm going to bring my own and connect it to one of the machines, and others should tftp boot blablabla Aug 05 20:42:45 i think, you'll fail. Aug 05 20:42:53 screw you ;) Aug 05 20:42:54 PaulFertser: network booting I have done Aug 05 20:43:03 or succseed only is system are _same_. Aug 05 20:43:08 *if Aug 05 20:43:14 lindi-: i have done that too, in fact it was easy enough. Aug 05 20:43:31 i mean to fail to invent method to do that universally of course :) Aug 05 20:43:35 gena2x: that uni lab is equipped with a bunch of fully identical machines. Aug 05 20:44:04 this is just different installation case. Aug 05 20:44:32 Flexibility is just about being suitable for different cases ;) Aug 05 20:45:02 i think d-i can be setup to use some config automatically Aug 05 20:45:09 but i've never tried this. Aug 05 20:45:32 nschle85: damn, that's much better than the shit my "real" tv usually shows :D Aug 05 20:45:33 and fo course, do not expect ntfs resising from free software :) Aug 05 20:45:44 gena2x: i do Aug 05 20:46:00 gena2x: ntfsresize is there for me Aug 05 20:46:01 :) Aug 05 20:46:03 ntfsresize works just fine Aug 05 20:46:23 In fact, it has been working just fine long before there was a free NTFS driver that could be used for anything Aug 05 20:46:23 heh, i didn't saw ntfs for such huge time... Aug 05 20:47:00 And people have been using it with no trouble Aug 05 20:47:08 mickeyl: fyi - setdisplaybrightess gets overwritten by getresource display Aug 05 20:47:43 meaning, when you set brightnes to low (aka night mode) and then grab display to keep it up, it will bring the brightness up (and keep) Aug 05 20:48:00 perhaps this is correct behavior... not sure Aug 05 20:49:11 vanous: that is not mickeyl's fault ;) Aug 05 20:49:15 phonefsod is doing that Aug 05 20:49:27 mrmoku: ok Aug 05 20:49:35 (in the assumption that when you grab the display you want it undimmed) Aug 05 20:49:36 no problem Aug 05 20:49:58 can be worked around by first getting display and then setting nihjt mode Aug 05 20:50:07 (not a good assumption imho) Aug 05 20:50:17 thinking about it... that is a bug Aug 05 20:50:18 vanous: good assumption :P Aug 05 20:50:29 dos1: why? Aug 05 20:50:36 vanous: as you can use SetBrighntess from phonefsod Aug 05 20:50:39 because it should undim yes, but not change the set max brightness Aug 05 20:50:43 ahh Aug 05 20:50:59 vanous: yeah, you have to use that one Aug 05 20:51:04 then all should be fine :) Aug 05 20:51:05 i see Aug 05 20:51:22 ok, will take a note and try to change the resource Aug 05 20:51:24 although Aug 05 20:51:35 i try not to get phonefsod involved Aug 05 20:51:46 to keep less dependencies... Aug 05 20:52:18 (what if we have another phone with fso :)) Aug 05 20:52:29 like we have already Aug 05 20:54:30 gena2x, what do you mean by "without any host interaction"? Aug 05 20:54:51 PaulFertser, if you dislike questions, there is something called automatic installation Aug 05 20:55:08 ThibG: i know Aug 05 20:55:16 shr devs - fast and friendly :)) Aug 05 20:55:35 vanous: somehow I dislike the interface duplication too... maybe fsodeviced should sen some 'brightness changed' signal... Aug 05 20:55:52 +d Aug 05 20:57:07 ThibG: hm... ah, you have to flash installer before running it. Aug 05 20:58:37 ThibG: i meant how much host is involved in installation process. Aug 05 20:58:48 gena2x, for now, in everything Aug 05 20:59:08 uploading, networking, installation (through ssh) Aug 05 20:59:17 the later thing will be avoided by g-i Aug 05 20:59:40