**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 18 02:59:57 2010 Aug 18 09:36:08 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#So.2C_how_do_i_use_.22dumb.22_batteries_with_my_freerunner.3F - how to get gta01_battery module in shr-unstable? Aug 18 09:40:16 JaMa: does maxima fails for you with qa errors? Aug 18 09:42:28 desowin: it's called platform_battery probably Aug 18 09:43:51 soltys: no maxima fails because lack of lisp interpreter, but if you install one on buildhost then I didn't have qa errors IIRC Aug 18 09:44:10 ok, thanks Aug 18 10:05:41 JaMa: hm I have clisp on buildhost.. maybe an upgrade will helo Aug 18 10:05:50 s/helo/help/ Aug 18 10:05:51 soltys meant: JaMa: hm I have clisp on buildhost.. maybe an upgrade will help Aug 18 10:22:03 soltys: I've built it with sbcl... Aug 18 10:22:32 will try that.. Aug 18 10:33:23 soltys: but someone should add some lisp-native to OE (to fix it properly) Aug 18 10:45:41 could anybody advise me on an error I have obviously in my recipe for a local build. I'm not an expert on recipes but I thought my work dir variable could be set to anything and the code is copied to that dir for working on. I'm getting the error: Aug 18 10:45:43 autopoint: *** Missing configure.in or configure.ac, please cd to your package first Aug 18 10:48:27 JaMa: clisp and/or scbl dont help.. Aug 18 10:50:07 soltys: what's qa error you see? Aug 18 10:50:43 Arigead: do you have S variable pointing to dir where source is? Aug 18 10:52:38 JaMa: That's the confusion I think. In the original recipe it's set to: S = "${WORKDIR}/git" Aug 18 10:53:08 I thought that the S variable was where the code will get copied to and that the SRC_URI was where it copied the source from Aug 18 10:53:59 I'll check the OE documentation and check this out Aug 18 10:54:02 JaMa: http://wklej.org/id/378405/ Aug 18 10:59:02 Arigead: yes, that's right, but if you ie unpack some tar.gz from SRC_URI then S needs to point to directory from that unpacked stuff Aug 18 10:59:32 Arigead: so everything is unpacked/checkouted to ${WORKDIR} and then S needs to point to dir where the real sources are Aug 18 11:01:19 JaMa: I'm at the very bottom of the learning curve and using some of the stuff at this link: http://www.gumstix.net/Setup-and-Programming/view/Build-system-overview/Hello-world-tutorial/111.html Aug 18 11:02:32 JaMa: from what you say both SRC_URI and S point to the same place? Aug 18 11:07:01 Arigead: no.. SRC_URI normaly points to packed sources (http/svn/git) and can have multiple parts, but S is just one and points to single dir where the sources should be unpacked (recipe maintainer knows the name of directory inside source.tar.gz or if it's trunk/git or whatever dir checkouted from SRC_URI) Aug 18 11:07:59 Arigead: and yes for local build it can be similar or even the same dir (because you use file://directory/with/unpacked/sources as SRC_URI, but it's not used normally - except local builds) Aug 18 11:09:36 OK set S to be the same as SRC_URI is the way to go. Thanks a million for that. I'll see if that makes it happy. Aug 18 11:17:44 JaMa: As simple as that. Thanks a million for that It's now compiling a local copy of libphone-ui-shr. It's a start ;-) Aug 18 11:18:39 spoke to soon :-( let me look into this. Aug 18 11:19:48 ERROR: Task 4 (/home/john/programming/openmoko/shr/shr-unstable/user.collection/recipes/shr/libphone-ui-shr.bb, do_rm_work_all) failed with 256 Aug 18 11:19:57 It's not offering me a long file at all Aug 18 11:23:38 TAsn: can you kill this gcc warning? libphone-ui-shr fails because of that /usr/include/ecore-1/Ecore_X.h:2509:22: error: type qualifiers ignored on function return type Aug 18 11:23:45 TAsn: because -Werror Aug 18 11:24:27 Arigead: ah this is "dangerous" because rm_work will try to remove whole ${WORKDIR}/* except temp dir Aug 18 11:26:42 JaMa: hmm Aug 18 11:27:11 I must be able to override the rm task in my recipe Aug 18 11:27:26 dcordes: here is newer image, but also with much newer EFL http://jama.homelinux.org/org.openembedded.shr.images/htcleo/ Aug 18 11:27:47 Arigead: show me the recipe and ls -lah ${WORKDIR} after -c unpack Aug 18 11:30:51 JaMa: recipe -> http://pastebin.com/4ZJ7BcRw Aug 18 11:35:24 I'd expect ${WORKDIR} to be /home/john/programming/openmoko/shr/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/libphone-ui-shr-JFW-r9 Aug 18 11:36:17 yes Aug 18 11:37:13 Arigead: why don't you use http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=libphone-ui.git;a=commit;h=aa6b9ac4ed7a13bbf8a562561ea6ce28b8719bc2 (updated for libphone-ui-shr) Aug 18 11:37:33 Arigead: or this http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-makefile.git;a=blobdiff;f=Makefile;h=d9ac80d6cedf5dc2bc5686a6048f6267f2c50e30;hp=086e5fb4f00df0201c7a8b046288cb83cb65582e;hb=efc097db2abccb6c47e7f19c8d99bb6bb84f891e;hpb=7fc9adc59b77bc64f81f1a5f70a7982aebcd42e9 Aug 18 11:41:20 JaMa: Well I've checked out the code from the repo so that I can have a look at it, possibly add a few printf's or the like to see what the code is doing and hopefully make a few changes that could possibly be committed back. Obviously everybody on the project that's contributing code is doing this in some other way but the only way I could think of was pull the code out of the repo and build a local copy of that code. Aug 18 11:42:37 Arigead: yes, that's right, but old way of doing local builds is known to be broken and the links I sent describe "new"&better way of doing local builds Aug 18 11:43:49 JaMa: Ok I'll look at those links and see how to do this. Thanks Aug 18 11:44:53 Arigead: and S in your recipe is wrong for "old" way Aug 18 11:45:49 Arigead: without seeing that ls -lah I asked I guess it should be something like S = "${WORKDIR}/libphone-ui-shr" Aug 18 11:46:43 SRC_URI = "file:///home/john/programming/openmoko/shr/shr-unstable/local/libphone-ui-shr" should copy this whole dir to ${WORKDIR} Aug 18 11:46:54 JaMa: Sorry I was wondering how to do that ls -lah after the -c unpack phase of the operation Aug 18 11:47:04 ah :) Aug 18 11:47:55 JaMa: SO I could just try S as ${WORKDIR} Aug 18 11:48:04 no Aug 18 11:48:47 bitbake -c clean libphone-ui-shr; bitbake -c unpack libphone-ui-shr; ls -lah /home/john/programming/openmoko/shr/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/libphone-ui-shr-JFW-r9/ Aug 18 11:49:35 Arigead: in other words, S is directory where you would cd (cd ${S}) before calling ie ./configure or make Aug 18 11:50:12 Arigead: and you don't want to call it in ${WORKDIR} but in libphone-ui-shr Aug 18 11:54:07 JaMa: I added a do_rm_work_all() {} to my recipe and it worked. I'll go through the -c unpack stuff now Aug 18 11:56:22 JaMa: maybe I should wrote my own copy function Aug 18 12:00:02 JaMa: ls -lah just gives me "." ".." and "temp" Aug 18 12:01:05 strange, maybe this is the problem why local builds are broken with "old" way.. but nobody cares as there is better way Aug 18 12:02:46 JaMa: the better way? I looked at those links but they're patches to the conf files. I don't understand this new mechanism for doing local builds. Somebody should look at rewriting the wiki page on this whole area Aug 18 12:03:45 first link is example how recipe for new way should look like Aug 18 12:03:59 and the recipe is included in libphone-ui sources now Aug 18 12:04:32 the second shows how local-builds.inc was changed (example how to do local builds without changing OE recipe) Aug 18 12:56:44 JaMa: thanks on the image Aug 18 12:56:57 JaMa: I just logged on to report a problem with my org.oe.dev image Aug 18 12:58:05 JaMa: when X starts I will see the shr login screen. It won't let me interact with TS, usb mouse or keyboard. after a few seconds my display will turn off. Aug 18 13:00:04 dcordes: maybe wrong xorg.conf? Aug 18 13:00:04 JaMa: I thought maybe power management but I don't see a reason for it to switch the display off five seconds after login Aug 18 13:00:18 JaMa: I use known working ubuntu one Aug 18 13:01:21 phonefsod has quite short delay for dimming display and then off Aug 18 13:01:21 look we have this http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leo/Interfaces#Backlight Aug 18 13:01:26 I suspect that's what happens Aug 18 13:01:33 aha Aug 18 13:01:55 it's a good sign as I could not set display in old gnome version :) Aug 18 13:01:59 so it means our driver is ok Aug 18 13:02:05 Write a value between 0 and 255 to Aug 18 13:02:05 /sys/class/leds/lcd-backlight/brightness Aug 18 13:02:17 I think when you write anything below 100 that will turn it off Aug 18 13:02:39 I don't have htcleo (or any other htc) so cannot help you Aug 18 13:02:47 lol Aug 18 13:02:58 good one Aug 18 13:03:28 * dcordes looking for phonefsod config Aug 18 13:03:58 look for xorg.log first and check if ts driver is ok Aug 18 13:04:14 ok Aug 18 13:05:18 can't find any xor.logs Aug 18 13:06:31 g Aug 18 13:07:19 /var/log/Xorg.0.log? Aug 18 13:07:51 JaMa: /var/log is a symbolic link to /var/volatile/log Aug 18 13:07:54 and also /tmp/x.log for Xsession output Aug 18 13:07:55 JaMa: which is pretty much empty Aug 18 13:08:21 are you checking it while running that image? Aug 18 13:08:25 no Aug 18 13:08:26 :> Aug 18 13:08:47 then it's pretty much expected to be empty Aug 18 13:08:48 I use the usb keyboard for interaction Aug 18 13:08:53 ok Aug 18 13:08:59 so let's check the backlight dim timeout Aug 18 13:09:04 volatile is tmpfs Aug 18 13:09:08 so I can debug it in vivo Aug 18 13:09:26 you should be able to ssh into it even with display off Aug 18 13:09:39 hm no I don't do the usb net Aug 18 13:09:50 and ie call fsoraw to keep it from suspending Aug 18 13:09:52 really prefer the keyboard Aug 18 13:10:03 ok Aug 18 13:10:08 enjoy :) Aug 18 13:12:28 JaMa: are you saying these fso PM things use no configuration ? Aug 18 13:12:56 phonefsod.conf Aug 18 13:13:30 # default brightness to set on startup Aug 18 13:13:30 default_brightness = 80 Aug 18 13:13:32 there you go Aug 18 13:13:46 that turns my backlight off. Aug 18 13:14:19 what is dim percent ? Aug 18 13:14:26 battery percent ? Aug 18 13:14:58 I am so excited fso can control the backlight :> Aug 18 13:15:52 yes. it should be in percent Aug 18 13:16:18 playya_: of what Aug 18 13:20:24 hi mickey|office Aug 18 13:25:38 hi GNUtoo|irssi Aug 18 13:25:56 hi dcordes Aug 18 13:26:31 morphis is not there...hmmmm Aug 18 13:26:40 neither mickeyl Aug 18 13:26:42 hm I set backlight mode to never in /etc/phonefsod.conf and the screen wil still go dark after Xorg starts Aug 18 13:26:56 dcordes: what happens when you quit xorg? Aug 18 13:26:59 maybe it goes to suspend too ? Aug 18 13:27:06 ah sorry Aug 18 13:27:10 hmmm Aug 18 13:27:12 GNUtoo|irssi: I can't bcause I can't see stuff with turned off display :( Aug 18 13:27:27 fist : xorg works fine? Aug 18 13:27:30 GNUtoo|irssi: actually I don't want fso to interact with power management functions at all Aug 18 13:27:40 do you have refresh thread etc...? Aug 18 13:27:50 GNUtoo|irssi: yes kernel is fine. Aug 18 13:27:51 dcordes: ok, why? Aug 18 13:27:53 ok Aug 18 13:28:01 GNUtoo|irssi: because these things are not mature yet Aug 18 13:28:08 ah Aug 18 13:28:14 for me pm works Aug 18 13:28:19 on dream Aug 18 13:28:22 yes Aug 18 13:28:33 so how can I prevent any suspend or display actions ? Aug 18 13:28:42 go in settings Aug 18 13:28:50 and put forbid in Aug 18 13:29:15 power->auto-dimming Aug 18 13:29:15 I can't see stuff with the turned off display Aug 18 13:29:24 ouch ok Aug 18 13:29:27 I understand Aug 18 13:29:30 you have ssh Aug 18 13:29:31 ? Aug 18 13:30:06 ahhh Aug 18 13:30:17 dcordes: is the backlight a led? Aug 18 13:30:24 or is it a real backlight? Aug 18 13:30:46 it is a panel backlight that is controlled via i2c Aug 18 13:30:54 Write a value between 0 and 255 to Aug 18 13:30:54 /sys/class/leds/lcd-backlight/brightness Aug 18 13:30:57 problem is Aug 18 13:31:02 fso go too low Aug 18 13:31:31 ah kn Aug 18 13:31:33 *ok Aug 18 13:31:35 so do that: Aug 18 13:31:56 fsodeviced.conf:ignore_by_name = lcd-backlight Aug 18 13:31:58 http://pastebin.ca/raw/1919431 Aug 18 13:32:11 try what I just pasted Aug 18 13:32:17 fine Aug 18 13:32:19 one sec I'll go on laptop Aug 18 13:32:32 something is foul with that config Aug 18 13:32:35 because I'm on irssi on htcdream over ssh Aug 18 13:32:44 I set never there Aug 18 13:32:47 and it still turn off Aug 18 13:33:31 /dbus-1/system.d/fsodeviced.conf ? Aug 18 13:33:34 do what I said Aug 18 13:33:36 no Aug 18 13:33:55 mine is at: Aug 18 13:33:57 /etc/freesmartphone/conf/htc_qualcomm_dream/fsodeviced.conf Aug 18 13:34:17 that's like default config right ? Aug 18 13:34:28 yes but for a particular phone Aug 18 13:34:40 basically copy dream's config Aug 18 13:34:41 yes Aug 18 13:34:46 and modify it Aug 18 13:34:51 and send a patch to mickeyl Aug 18 13:35:00 against cornucopia git Aug 18 13:35:01 cp ./etc/freesmartphone/conf/htc_qualcomm_dream/fsodeviced.conf etc/ Aug 18 13:35:07 no Aug 18 13:35:42 cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Hardware Aug 18 13:35:43 Hardware : trout Aug 18 13:35:44 I've that Aug 18 13:35:53 what is yours Aug 18 13:35:58 htcleo Aug 18 13:36:12 ok Aug 18 13:36:28 well none Aug 18 13:36:30 so cp -r htc_qualcomm_dream htcleo Aug 18 13:36:35 none??? Aug 18 13:36:38 you need one Aug 18 13:36:46 I expected htcleo Aug 18 13:36:51 that's the name in the machine registry Aug 18 13:36:52 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 13 15:04 trout -> ./htc_qualcomm_dream Aug 18 13:37:07 hmmm Aug 18 13:37:18 pastebin /proc/cpuinfo Aug 18 13:38:08 for your issue about darkness: Aug 18 13:38:16 fso think that screen is a led Aug 18 13:38:29 so for saving energy it power it off at startup Aug 18 13:38:47 if you add that ignore_by_name = lcd-backlight Aug 18 13:38:55 how about turning the entire mechanism off Aug 18 13:38:58 that does that Aug 18 13:39:04 you can do that Aug 18 13:39:09 I want to do that Aug 18 13:39:13 ok Aug 18 13:39:17 in frameworkd.conf ? Aug 18 13:39:18 in fsodeviced.conf Aug 18 13:39:21 ahhh Aug 18 13:39:34 like don't start deviced and everything Aug 18 13:40:02 you're still using frameworkd.conf then Aug 18 13:40:02 ok Aug 18 13:40:11 add disable=1 on what you want to disable Aug 18 13:40:13 like that: Aug 18 13:40:27 [ogsmd] Aug 18 13:40:27 disable = 1 Aug 18 13:40:36 for disabling ogsmd Aug 18 13:40:42 if you use cornucopia Aug 18 13:40:43 do: Aug 18 13:40:55 what are you saying, I am still using frameworkd.conf ? Aug 18 13:41:01 #[fsodevice] Aug 18 13:41:02 I built from org.oe.dev Aug 18 13:41:06 I don't know Aug 18 13:41:18 shr-image with shr distro. Aug 18 13:41:25 yes but you're using htcleo Aug 18 13:41:35 so where does frameworkd.conf comes from? Aug 18 13:41:47 is it the default one? Aug 18 13:41:55 is it a special one for htcleo? Aug 18 13:42:01 I have no clue whre it comes from :) I typed bitbake shr-image Aug 18 13:42:05 ah ok Aug 18 13:42:13 so you didn't commit a frameworkd.conf Aug 18 13:42:15 I'll look Aug 18 13:42:19 personally I did not any leo specifics in fso shr ... Aug 18 13:42:24 there is only the xorg.conf I added Aug 18 13:42:42 no there is not a htcleo frameworkd.conf afaik Aug 18 13:43:13 ok Aug 18 13:45:15 could you pastebin your frameworkd.conf? Aug 18 13:45:29 GNUtoo|irssi: is this a problem regarding my aim to turn off PM entirely ? Aug 18 13:45:37 because I'm a bit confused and I'm not shure where it comes from(oe or fso) Aug 18 13:45:44 not at all Aug 18 13:46:02 I already described the problem Aug 18 13:46:05 http://pastebin.ca/1919438 Aug 18 13:46:14 15:39 < GNUtoo|irssi> add disable=1 on what you want to disable Aug 18 13:46:17 what to disable ? Aug 18 13:46:29 odeviced Aug 18 13:46:48 no better Aug 18 13:46:50 do that: Aug 18 13:46:53 # Aug 18 13:47:02 [frameworkd] Aug 18 13:47:04 disable = 1 Aug 18 13:47:09 s/#// Aug 18 13:47:19 put disable=1 under frameworkd Aug 18 13:47:41 and hope cornucopia doesn't replace frameworkd Aug 18 13:47:43 ok then I can start it manually Aug 18 13:47:53 then reboot the phone Aug 18 13:48:09 oops Aug 18 13:48:11 disable = 1 Aug 18 13:48:14 not disable=1 Aug 18 13:48:17 anywat Aug 18 13:48:21 *anyway Aug 18 13:50:59 do you need fso support later on? Aug 18 13:51:16 how complete is hd2? Aug 18 13:51:19 does it have alsa? Aug 18 13:52:52 yes later on Aug 18 13:52:59 now I just want to try out the gui :) Aug 18 13:53:20 GNUtoo|irssi: you tried to compile alsa for leo, remmeber ? Aug 18 13:53:25 remember Aug 18 13:53:53 I tried Aug 18 13:53:56 and abandoned Aug 18 13:54:01 but I told you how to do it Aug 18 13:54:13 because I think Cotulla told me what to do Aug 18 13:54:59 or maybe it was someone else Aug 18 13:55:02 whatdid he say Aug 18 13:55:14 basically take msm7k or msm7kv2 driver Aug 18 13:55:34 and adapt it for the phone(be it wince or nexusone) Aug 18 13:56:18 because codeaurora's qsd alsa driver uses another adsp<->cpu interface Aug 18 13:56:29 which would need to be ported to your kenrel Aug 18 13:57:00 and the other interface depend on low level stuff... Aug 18 13:57:19 so...no way Aug 18 13:57:49 lindi-, gena2x, glamo-core reviewed Aug 18 13:58:29 did disabling frameworkd work Aug 18 13:58:35 aha Aug 18 13:58:40 no input driver matching tslib Aug 18 13:59:13 do you have xf86-input-tslib ? Aug 18 13:59:47 I am checking the conf/machine .. Aug 18 14:00:05 check on target too Aug 18 14:00:11 oh and I disabled everything fso in init and display stay on :) Aug 18 14:00:25 ok Aug 18 14:00:32 the conf seemed a better approach Aug 18 14:00:45 because if you push a conf to fso/oe... Aug 18 14:01:03 you could build images with less required user-tweaks Aug 18 14:01:26 xf86-input-tslib not presemt on target Aug 18 14:01:38 yes that will be better Aug 18 14:02:02 first I need to reach the aim to test gui :) Aug 18 14:02:07 ok lol Aug 18 14:03:18 ThibG: something interesting found? Aug 18 14:03:29 GNUtoo|irssi: I think we need multitouch and swype in SHR Aug 18 14:03:33 minor complaints Aug 18 14:03:45 GNUtoo|irssi: did you read about utouch in ubuntu ? Aug 18 14:04:00 no Aug 18 14:04:03 what's that? Aug 18 14:04:38 dcordes: maybe focus on basic things first Aug 18 14:04:41 like I did Aug 18 14:04:42 it implements funny multitouch and gesture things for touchscreens, replacing tslib Aug 18 14:04:46 ok Aug 18 14:04:58 basic stuff was a working dumb phone Aug 18 14:05:34 fso2-demo-image Aug 18 14:05:43 was the thing I used for that Aug 18 14:05:59 our goal was a fully working fso2-demo-image Aug 18 14:05:59 then we succedded Aug 18 14:06:02 and I went SHR Aug 18 14:06:10 and at the end there were official images Aug 18 14:06:21 choose a simple goal Aug 18 14:06:24 maybe not the same Aug 18 14:06:30 GNUtoo|irssi: do you think it is good to add both, evdev/evtouch and tslib or should I replace evtouch with tslib in the machine config ? Aug 18 14:06:42 GNUtoo|irssi: as I also want to experiment with evdev I would like to keep it in. Aug 18 14:07:12 I've evdev because of an issue between xf86-video-fbdev and x86-video-tslib and rotation Aug 18 14:07:43 GNUtoo|irssi: yes but the question is if it is ok to install both modules into the image Aug 18 14:07:45 evdev is a pain to calibrate Aug 18 14:07:45 it took one day Aug 18 14:07:45 basically once you have initial calibration it's easy to calibrate Aug 18 14:07:47 but before... Aug 18 14:07:52 but that was in rotated mode Aug 18 14:07:59 non-rotated worked out of the box Aug 18 14:08:05 hmmm Aug 18 14:08:13 It depends on your xorg.conf Aug 18 14:08:19 try it Aug 18 14:08:23 xorg.conf will only use the tslib Aug 18 14:08:28 ok Aug 18 14:08:31 so I think it's fine Aug 18 14:08:33 but when I want to experiment Aug 18 14:08:37 and I install both Aug 18 14:08:38 because there is some autodetection in xorg Aug 18 14:08:44 I can switch over to evdev easy Aug 18 14:08:58 ok install both then Aug 18 14:09:13 regarding the aim thing: I have broader approach to make many things work on many distros Aug 18 14:09:18 I also use ubuntu on this phone Aug 18 14:09:24 and debian Aug 18 14:09:24 it shouldn't do any harm if you have a good xorg.conf Aug 18 14:09:54 dcordes: btw when you'll be advanced enough please add your phone there: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison ,official images are not needed to add your phone Aug 18 14:10:08 dcordes: ok Aug 18 14:10:14 debian hasn't got fso Aug 18 14:10:17 u16:08 < dcordes> and debian Aug 18 14:10:22 oops Aug 18 14:10:32 ubuntu...I don't know Aug 18 14:10:37 s/fso/cornucopia Aug 18 14:10:44 Weiss, ping Aug 18 14:10:54 if you want a phone. maybe SHR is better Aug 18 14:11:05 if you want a computer,maybe debian/ubuntu is better Aug 18 14:11:14 if you want both...hmmm do both? Aug 18 14:11:42 openembedded/SHR has an unique feature: Aug 18 14:11:52 autorev Aug 18 14:12:17 GNUtoo|irssi: I think OE/SHR can do both Aug 18 14:12:26 GNUtoo|irssi: actually both can do both Aug 18 14:12:33 with that you can easily get the last version of fso,shr apps etc... Aug 18 14:12:33 and shr/fso is integrated Aug 18 14:12:33 so if you want a phone...I think it's better than ubuntu Aug 18 14:12:40 ah ok Aug 18 14:12:41 GNUtoo|irssi: when I say ubuntu I actually mean gnome desktop :) I use it with keyboard Aug 18 14:12:51 but that doesn't have many phone things Aug 18 14:12:56 ubuntu can phone? Aug 18 14:12:56 s/phone/make a phone call Aug 18 14:13:05 no alsa Aug 18 14:13:05 ok Aug 18 14:13:11 that's kernel related Aug 18 14:13:19 but fso has support for android sound system Aug 18 14:13:28 htcdream's qualcomm modem Aug 18 14:13:29 etc... Aug 18 14:13:37 that's why it should be easy to add your phone Aug 18 14:13:37 but I have neat ofono frontend in ubuntu :) I can make everything but in call audio Aug 18 14:13:55 ah ok Aug 18 14:14:00 I have seen you added specific qualcomm_msm_dream why ? Aug 18 14:14:04 I didn't know that Aug 18 14:14:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VqWtf5X2P0 ubuntu on htcleo Aug 18 14:15:01 how is ophono support? Aug 18 14:15:01 every modem need specific support Aug 18 14:15:01 basically because every vendor doen't respect 0707 Aug 18 14:15:02 some are close to it Aug 18 14:15:02 some aren't Aug 18 14:15:08 most have vendor-specific things Aug 18 14:15:18 I'm on 3g Aug 18 14:15:22 I can't look at youtube Aug 18 14:15:26 but I'll look later Aug 18 14:15:31 I'll add to the todo list Aug 18 14:16:18 I use htcdream for tethering bte Aug 18 14:16:22 he doesn't use the phone but you can see him using etting only on 3g Aug 18 14:16:27 *btw Aug 18 14:16:28 it's a lot faster than the 3g key Aug 18 14:16:31 and you can see how fast this beasts runs full blown gnome.- Aug 18 14:16:41 ok Aug 18 14:16:52 does hd2 have a keyboard Aug 18 14:16:52 ? Aug 18 14:16:58 no Aug 18 14:17:04 ouch ok Aug 18 14:17:06 in this image I use 'onboard' Aug 18 14:17:12 ok Aug 18 14:17:17 why ouch ? does freerunner have keyboard ? Aug 18 14:17:21 does it run SHR ? Aug 18 14:17:30 :> Aug 18 14:17:32 I'm looking for a next target Aug 18 14:17:38 grab a nexus Aug 18 14:17:50 you already proficient at android phone vs shr :) Aug 18 14:17:54 it must have a keyboard Aug 18 14:17:54 like htcdream Aug 18 14:17:56 s/must/I prefer Aug 18 14:18:13 ok then I tell you wait for a decent HTC with qsd8250 (snapdragon) chip and qwerty Aug 18 14:18:16 dcordes: I'll get a free nexus(I'll have to do some replicant work tough) Aug 18 14:18:29 there are non htc QSD with keyboard - but non htc is whack. Aug 18 14:18:42 I looked at nexusone Aug 18 14:18:45 GNUtoo|irssi: wow who get it for you ? Aug 18 14:18:55 replicant peeps ? Aug 18 14:18:56 and it's not promising at all: Aug 18 14:18:56 *no hardware keyboard Aug 18 14:19:01 *qsd => alsa issues Aug 18 14:19:17 (difficult to rebase) Aug 18 14:19:30 mhm Aug 18 14:19:33 *touchscreen issues(there is a gesture area) Aug 18 14:19:47 *wifi issues: b4329 Aug 18 14:19:50 etc... Aug 18 14:20:16 dcordes: someone donated one to the replicant project Aug 18 14:20:30 and I'm the only one in that project that know well low level Aug 18 14:20:49 the goal is to get rid of the proprietary libraries Aug 18 14:20:56 like I did for the dream Aug 18 14:21:09 this time I'll try to make official images and to work with upstream Aug 18 14:21:17 I'll do it Aug 18 14:21:28 because I'm the only one that can/want to do it Aug 18 14:21:34 but after... Aug 18 14:21:44 the GNU/Linux conversion seem hard Aug 18 14:21:59 so... Aug 18 14:22:14 I'm hesitating between palm pre plus and n900 Aug 18 14:22:26 when I add the tslib I should also put a basic fso config Aug 18 14:22:31 GNUtoo|irssi: can you fix basic fso config for me that will do nothing but start gsmd with qualcomm_msm modem ? Aug 18 14:22:35 for htcleo Aug 18 14:22:50 dcordes: I can't but I can help you doing it Aug 18 14:22:54 bcm4329 is perfectly usable in gnu/linux . Aug 18 14:23:01 because I wouldn't be able to test it Aug 18 14:23:02 GNUtoo|irssi: ok how to do it Aug 18 14:23:06 dcordes: wow nice Aug 18 14:23:16 does it have PSM etc... Aug 18 14:23:25 it works with iwconfig etc...? Aug 18 14:23:32 yes wext Aug 18 14:23:36 or does it require a wpa_supplicant that is higly modified Aug 18 14:23:36 nice Aug 18 14:23:40 pm is present but didn't try. Aug 18 14:23:45 does it use cfg80211? Aug 18 14:23:53 because as far as I understood: Aug 18 14:24:27 wext or libnl<->cfg80211<->mac80211 if softmac || hardmac Aug 18 14:24:46 one sec I'll be back soon Aug 18 14:28:18 dcordes: back Aug 18 14:30:14 people told me tehy connected to all kinds of wifi in my ubuntu image on hd2 Aug 18 14:30:14 check mahimahi_defconfig ... Aug 18 14:31:22 ok Aug 18 14:31:25 nice Aug 18 14:31:46 basically my dilema is Aug 18 14:32:12 I can buy palmpre only now Aug 18 14:32:25 n900 is better hardware wise Aug 18 14:32:51 I can't buy both Aug 18 14:33:04 n900 has sd+32G Aug 18 14:33:11 pre only 16G Aug 18 14:33:32 n900 has 800x480,pre 320x480 Aug 18 14:33:55 but pre will be finished very soon Aug 18 14:34:10 n900 has no fso integration for telephony Aug 18 14:35:44 nexusone will come at the end of the hollidays when I won't be able to buy pre anymore Aug 18 14:36:03 n900 has work to be done,pre a lot less... Aug 18 14:36:19 so I wonder what to so Aug 18 14:36:39 I even wonder if it's better to have work to do or not Aug 18 14:38:23 hm Aug 18 14:38:35 I fear I can't help you with that dilema. I will only say htc htc :) Aug 18 14:39:08 lol Aug 18 14:39:29 i would take pre, as you can get a n900 later if you want Aug 18 14:39:34 mickeyl: can help...but he's not there Aug 18 14:40:12 misc: i've no money for both Aug 18 14:40:22 GNUtoo|htcdream: for now Aug 18 14:40:34 GNUtoo|htcdream: but if you sell pre, you could get n900 Aug 18 14:41:07 not sure how much pre can be sold Aug 18 14:42:00 maybe I've an idea Aug 18 14:42:00 I buy nothing and wait Aug 18 14:42:02 and if i need pre Aug 18 14:42:33 I ask family to bring me one from france Aug 18 14:46:49 Anyone uses slow_memory? Aug 18 14:47:37 GNUtoo|htcdream: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison added leo Aug 18 14:48:51 ThibG: what is 'slow memory'? Aug 18 14:49:07 not slow Aug 18 14:49:24 slow_memory, it's a module parameter for glamo Aug 18 14:49:32 but less memory Aug 18 14:49:33 some is shared Aug 18 14:49:45 ah ok sorry Aug 18 14:49:54 sorry, GNUtoo :) Aug 18 14:50:17 np Aug 18 14:50:26 gena2x, that's been here for a loooong time, and the reviewer misintepreted the comments Aug 18 14:50:38 but I wonder if it's still being used... Aug 18 14:50:58 It's my fault...I didnt look who was talking Aug 18 14:51:10 you may try larsc method - remove it and wait for comments :) Aug 18 15:13:38 hi djbclark Aug 18 15:24:03 I'll go bye Aug 18 15:24:25 mrmoku|away: ping Aug 18 16:20:17 Q-Master: pong Aug 18 16:20:35 mrmoku: look at this http://pastebin.org/572912 Aug 18 16:20:44 everything is the latest. Aug 18 16:24:08 Q-Master: hmm... did it suspend after that? Aug 18 16:24:46 this is the log during some suspend/resumes. Dunno how many. Aug 18 16:24:56 after the last resume - GSM is off Aug 18 16:25:09 pespin: sorry, won't make it to look into your recipe before leaving tomorrow :/ Aug 18 16:25:41 pespin: maybe ask JaMa, if he can do it... otherwise I will be back in three weeks Aug 18 16:26:03 Q-Master: fsogsmd.log? Aug 18 16:26:35 mrmoku: damn. I forgot to get it. already rebooted 8( Aug 18 16:26:44 :/ Aug 18 16:27:00 but I think that the problem is the same Aug 18 16:27:05 Q-Master: do you have deep sleep enabled? Aug 18 16:27:14 mrmoku: yep. Aug 18 16:27:23 Q-Master: could you try if it happens without too? Aug 18 16:27:32 just to know where to look... Aug 18 16:28:11 mrmoku: AFAIK it is not. I've tried some time ago to disable deep sleep. Everything seemd working ok. Aug 18 16:28:43 BTW, the problem with power consumption is not solved yet. Aug 18 16:28:59 phone lives 1 day max, even with deep sleep. Aug 18 16:29:01 8( Aug 18 16:29:33 hi mickey|office Aug 18 16:30:23 morning GNUtoo|htcdream Aug 18 16:31:03 Q-Master: I know :/ Aug 18 16:31:16 mickey|office: did you read the irc logs Aug 18 16:31:29 no, pretty busy with work atm. Aug 18 16:31:33 about what I said about gps Aug 18 16:31:36 ok Aug 18 16:31:55 I'll sum up Aug 18 16:32:49 1 sec Aug 18 16:33:35 ok i'm back I had to take a call Aug 18 16:34:09 so I rebased new phh source code Aug 18 16:34:10 with a main it works Aug 18 16:34:10 but... Aug 18 16:34:14 the fsodeviced plugin... Aug 18 16:34:47 the fix glib timeout add is the responsible of the crash Aug 18 16:35:34 fic means the gps fix function Aug 18 16:35:41 *fix Aug 18 16:37:12 about pre vs n900 vs nexusone I think I'll wait and ask to a family member to bring me back a pre if I choose pre Aug 18 16:38:12 mickey|office: the glib timeout add is really in seconds? Aug 18 16:38:33 can we be shure of that? Aug 18 16:39:15 *sure Aug 18 16:40:18 because...if the sleep is too small...it crash (version with a main) Aug 18 16:40:36 how time critical is it? Aug 18 16:40:39 you can also use glib.timeout Aug 18 16:40:40 instead of Aug 18 16:40:41 or maybe it's a threading issue? Aug 18 16:40:43 glib.timeout_add_seconds Aug 18 16:40:55 2s sleep crash Aug 18 16:41:00 3s sleep ok Aug 18 16:41:09 ok Aug 18 16:41:37 I know better glib.timeout Aug 18 16:41:42 yeah, worth a try Aug 18 16:41:55 I made pygtk gui in the past Aug 18 16:42:06 with threading,glib etc... Aug 18 16:42:29 ok I'll try when I'll be home Aug 18 16:43:16 also I remember thread issues but i bet it was with liststore etc... Aug 18 16:43:34 some things were not thread safe etc... Aug 18 16:43:51 I'll reread pygtk faq Aug 18 16:47:39 battery is low Aug 18 16:47:43 2 percent Aug 18 16:48:24 it'll cut soon Aug 18 16:48:43 s/cut/shutsown Aug 18 16:49:32 btw mickey|office , morphis told that the only lacking pre stuff is shr/fso-configs integrations Aug 18 16:51:19 hmm Aug 18 16:51:21 well Aug 18 16:51:34 modem stuff is still missing a lot Aug 18 16:51:53 ah? Aug 18 16:55:06 yes, it's no way near completion Aug 18 16:55:22 unless i'm mistaken Aug 18 16:55:35 will try to look at the state of things on weekend Aug 18 16:56:22 ok Aug 18 16:56:22 lol Aug 18 16:56:22 so morphis was triggering me into buying the pre Aug 18 16:59:12 mrmoku, np ;) are you going on holidays? Aug 18 17:00:25 btw, I'm rewritting emtooth in vala :D Aug 18 17:00:40 pespin: excellent Aug 18 17:01:30 pespin: nice :) Aug 18 17:01:41 GNUtoo|htcdream: getting fsodeviced's GPS plugin work would be really good for my motivation Aug 18 17:01:42 pespin: and kind of holidays... going to my wifes family in italy Aug 18 17:01:47 ok Aug 18 17:03:12 mickeyl, is eflvala working ok or needs sometweaking? :) Aug 18 17:03:38 mickey|office, ^ Aug 18 17:04:15 pespin: minus some catching up with recent API changes which I didn't do for some weeks, it works fine Aug 18 17:04:24 the bindings are ok Aug 18 17:04:26 the library needs work Aug 18 17:04:33 but you don't need the library for your apps Aug 18 17:04:42 it's just a convenience for later Aug 18 17:05:06 mickeyl, what does the library do? Aug 18 17:05:16 or is expected ;) Aug 18 17:06:06 the library contains some higher level classes, e.g. an Application class, automatic integration with glib mainloop to use dbus, and some additional convenience classes for where the C-based stuff is lacking abstraction Aug 18 17:06:17 (model/view for lists etc.) Aug 18 17:20:08 mickeyl, great :) Aug 18 17:43:25 2010-08-18T16:24:25.082946Z [ERROR] FsoDeviceBasePowerControlResource : Resource GPS already registered: Can't register resource with fsousaged, enabling unconditionally... Aug 18 17:43:35 mickey|office: ^^^ Aug 18 17:43:39 I'll reboot to try Aug 18 17:43:51 but that's why it power on at boot Aug 18 17:43:58 be back soon Aug 18 18:19:09 hmmm Aug 18 18:19:14 increasing timeout didn't work Aug 18 18:19:17 so I did that: Aug 18 18:19:18 GLib.g_thread_init(); // from thread.vapi Aug 18 18:19:44 but I've that: Aug 18 18:19:46 src/plugins/htcdream_powercontrol/plugin.vala:108.5-108.22: error: The name `g_thread_init' does not exist in the context of `GLib' Aug 18 18:20:56 mickey|office: ^^^ Aug 18 18:32:04 I'll try to add --thread Aug 18 18:55:19 mickey|office: how can I initialize glib threading system in vala? Aug 18 19:26:14 hi mickeyl Aug 18 19:27:45 hi GNUtoo|htcdream; usually vala takes care about doing that in its main method Aug 18 19:27:56 in the rare case only a plugin needs it, have a look at fsogsmd/vapi/thread.vapi Aug 18 19:28:03 this exports the g_thread_init() funktion Aug 18 19:28:23 ok Aug 18 19:28:25 hmmm Aug 18 19:28:41 you need to copy this vapi to fsodevice/vapi/ Aug 18 19:29:31 then adjust the makefile to include it (--vapidir $(top_srcdir)/vapi --pkg thread) Aug 18 19:29:39 and then you can call it Aug 18 19:29:42 bbl Aug 18 19:29:49 there is a source code which does that Aug 18 19:30:00 it's gstreamer Aug 18 19:30:01 ok Aug 18 19:30:04 bbl too Aug 18 19:48:08 is there any progress on fixing the WS issue or any workarounds? My phone is definitely the most stable it has ever been (as far as not missing calls or locking up), but sometimes I have to go through 5 to 6 suspend/resume cycles to get rid of the WS Aug 18 19:52:54 net_tux: hi, various ws fixes exist, hope exist thet all will be fixed soon, so just be patient :) Aug 18 19:53:29 and never forget to mention your distribution Aug 18 19:54:10 gena2x: ok - perfectly willing to be patient, I just wanted to fix/workaround it if possible; oh yeah, shr-unstable Aug 18 19:55:17 net_tux: interesting. can you try this kernel: http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/shrkernel_nows/? Aug 18 19:55:52 another issue - a while back, I noticed that if I have the WiFi resource requested when a suspend happens, it stays powered on whereas it used to get powered off; is that a permanent change Aug 18 19:56:07 gena2x: okay, I'll give it a shot; I haven't done an update in around a week or so Aug 18 19:56:26 net_tux: this is not official shr kernel Aug 18 19:57:17 net_tux: it contains one ws-related patch Aug 18 19:57:31 net_tux: interesting, will it fix your issue or not. Aug 18 20:22:57 gena2x: so far so good; no WS yet **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 18 20:55:40 2010 Aug 18 21:32:18 hmmm Aug 18 21:32:27 on n900 the modem initialization seem to be proprietary Aug 18 21:32:48 not the sound Aug 18 21:33:04 I'll check again my logs Aug 18 21:33:07 oops I'm guest Aug 18 21:39:15 ah I remember now Aug 18 21:39:26 it was activation that derived to audio that we discussed Aug 18 21:39:46 according to the guy that does the fso port it still need an activator for ofono to work Aug 18 21:39:51 http://lists.ofono.org/pipermail/ofono/2010-June/002669.html Aug 18 21:45:28 GNUtoo|laptop: yup, but (cited from that mail): Aug 18 21:45:41 Pekka is working on an N900 modem plugin for oFono that will take care Aug 18 21:45:42 of powering the modem HW, and properly initializing it Aug 18 21:45:52 yes but according to the n900 porter...that has not been commited yet Aug 18 21:46:01 s/n900/n900 fso Aug 18 21:46:11 mrmoku, hi!, since you are here, what is 'android-rpc' in shr-unstable? Aug 18 21:46:20 yeah, meego is moving slowly to the openess :/ Aug 18 21:46:28 max_posedon: needed for htc-dream Aug 18 21:46:34 max_posedon: it's modem initialization for htcdream Aug 18 21:46:40 s/modem/gps Aug 18 21:47:19 basically for now to get gps you do: Aug 18 21:47:20 gps Aug 18 21:47:25 ah, ok. Aug 18 21:47:42 cat /dev/smd27 or gpsd something /dev/smd27 or navit with xml that points to /dev/smd27 Aug 18 21:51:36 I'll go bye Aug 18 22:01:58 JaMa: when do you leave? Aug 18 22:02:54 JaMa: I'll be gone from tomorrow till 11/09 ... Aug 18 22:03:55 30/08 till 21/09 Aug 18 22:04:09 * JaMa still hopes to see n900 arrive before leaving :/ Aug 18 22:04:21 * mrmoku lost that hope :P Aug 18 22:05:09 was still optimistic until this afternoon... but we're leaving tomorrow morning... and parcels usually come here in the afternoon :/ Aug 18 22:05:50 * JaMa checks personal mail box every day now too (because also love letter should arrive :)) Aug 18 22:06:59 but for n900 I gave address to work, because there is always someone to take it for me when I'm away for holidays Aug 18 22:07:16 * mrmoku has kind neighbours :) Aug 18 22:37:03 mrmoku, Do you think thats its nice to have 0.0.0 in library filename, or just nobody add correct lines to configure.ac? Aug 18 22:37:43 libframeworkd-glib.so.0.0.0 Aug 18 22:44:40 max_posedon: heh... second one :P Aug 18 22:44:56 max_posedon: will fix when I'm back Aug 18 22:45:05 max_posedon: or ping daniele to fix it :) Aug 18 22:45:19 now... gnight and have a nice time Aug 18 22:45:58 mrmoku|away: enjoy holidays! Aug 18 22:49:01 holidays again? Aug 18 22:49:06 lucky people... :) Aug 18 23:06:49 JaMa: hello my son is born :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 19 02:59:57 2010