**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 22 02:59:58 2010 Aug 22 07:49:58 morphis: have seen your questions in ml, i am looking into danielle's stuff and besides looking nice, for example the home icons scroll like a flash and behave the way one would expect... integration with shr phone apps is a good way too... Aug 22 07:50:35 vanous: jepp, but I would like to have a more general approach Aug 22 07:50:52 the wm should do application handling in a more advanced way Aug 22 07:50:59 take a look at android Aug 22 07:51:15 we need some application life cycle handling and something like android intents Aug 22 07:51:34 this should in my opinion part of a new wm Aug 22 07:52:13 together with this we can write something like a application toolkit which implements most utitilies a application needs this days Aug 22 07:52:32 something we tried with umaf before Aug 22 07:53:10 well, babysteps Aug 22 07:53:36 jepp Aug 22 07:53:46 but you should know what you are going to code Aug 22 07:53:58 so you can scale your code with your needs Aug 22 07:54:12 i guess one might have to decide first what is better, if extending the existing e-wm or starting a new one Aug 22 07:54:40 perhaps this wm was a proop of concept for Danielle Aug 22 07:54:49 jepp Aug 22 07:55:21 JaMa: eve running, thans Aug 22 07:55:34 but I like the idea to have a small wm for mobile devices instead of you big with all features mobile&desktop needs ever Aug 22 08:05:16 i guess it would make sense to try to make an implementation of what Danielle did, but by using e-wm and then see the difference, but i have no idea how much work this might be... Aug 22 08:05:58 to see what the overhead would be Aug 22 08:07:58 hm, I think using e-wm will give you the overhead Aug 22 08:08:02 we should use something simple Aug 22 08:08:10 which only have a few features Aug 22 08:08:34 app handling, lifecycle, intents, topbar with some informations and notifications Aug 22 08:08:36 nothing more Aug 22 08:08:46 e-wm defines a lot of features we don't need Aug 22 08:09:03 or which will bloat the wm for our needs Aug 22 09:22:45 leviathan: are you really interested in the hd2 ? Aug 22 09:22:57 leviathan: I am going on small vacation soon and I don't know if I will take it Aug 22 09:34:09 good morning Aug 22 09:34:19 i have a TTL on pinging git.openembedded.net Aug 22 09:34:39 no, working now Aug 22 09:34:40 sorry :S Aug 22 09:35:15 so what was I to do. compile fancy 'apps' for my hd2 shr Aug 22 09:37:07 daniele_athome: cool to see you suite, especially integrating the shr apps Aug 22 09:37:26 vanous, thanks :) Aug 22 09:37:40 bitbake firefox Aug 22 09:37:53 got quite nice response of the ui, have no sim in so couldn't test it all Aug 22 09:38:10 daniele_athome: any way to switch apps yet ;) Aug 22 09:38:11 vanous, try it with the x11-16 elementary engine :) Aug 22 09:38:20 works quite well Aug 22 09:38:22 vanous, not yet Aug 22 09:38:31 but would the shr appr sun under that engine? Aug 22 09:38:39 s/sun/run/ Aug 22 09:38:40 vanous meant: but would the shr appr run under that engine? Aug 22 09:38:53 vanous, no, i think right now every app is using the x11 engine Aug 22 09:39:03 because enlightenment segs with x11-16 Aug 22 09:39:06 but not elementary :) Aug 22 09:39:09 ok Aug 22 09:39:12 well the only app not working is ventura, right now Aug 22 09:39:26 but ventura doesn't work either now because of efl bump Aug 22 09:39:27 lol Aug 22 09:39:38 yup Aug 22 09:39:47 vanous, for now, holding the aux key for >=2 seconds goes back to the desktop Aug 22 09:40:03 and what does a quick press do? Aug 22 09:40:15 vanous, close the current window Aug 22 09:40:23 i see Aug 22 09:40:27 i didn't get this one Aug 22 09:40:27 very android-like :D Aug 22 09:40:33 so i can in fact keep my app running Aug 22 09:41:18 hmm, when i keep the AUX pressed, nothing happens... Aug 22 09:41:41 does it happen only after key release? Aug 22 09:42:24 vanous, yes Aug 22 09:42:31 every signal is on key release Aug 22 09:42:35 *event Aug 22 09:43:38 i see Aug 22 09:43:44 it starts the app second time Aug 22 09:43:45 ok Aug 22 09:43:48 understand now Aug 22 09:43:56 vanous, yes, i need to fix that Aug 22 09:44:10 i should look for the existing windows and bring up the right one Aug 22 09:44:21 if X-SingleInstance is present on the desktop file Aug 22 09:44:51 but i shall tell it to the wm, but a communication system is not present yet, so... :) Aug 22 09:45:39 daniele_athome: i cannot code but... we had a nice chat with morphis about this, perhaps it would make a lot of sense to bring some more people on board to ensure development :) Aug 22 09:45:57 vanous, on this chan? Aug 22 09:46:04 daniele_athome: jepp Aug 22 09:46:04 this moring Aug 22 09:46:23 but only the things I told you already via mail Aug 22 09:47:26 ok Aug 22 09:48:47 daniele_athome: any reason why you wroten the mokowm in c? Aug 22 09:49:01 morphis, what do you mean? Aug 22 09:49:11 oh, because i choosed the C language you mean Aug 22 09:49:14 *why Aug 22 09:49:16 jepp Aug 22 09:49:37 first reason is because EFL are in C, and bindings are often broken Aug 22 09:49:50 morphis, you can see in my svn repository my first attempt was in python Aug 22 09:49:58 but due to the slowness of the bindings, i tried with vala Aug 22 09:50:15 but was too unstable, especially the EFL bindings were too messy and not quite clear Aug 22 09:50:24 hm ok Aug 22 09:50:25 so I tried C Aug 22 09:50:43 I only though about the dbus thing and implementing it c ... Aug 22 09:50:44 and I achieved quite a good result Aug 22 09:50:46 would be a pain Aug 22 09:50:57 morphis, for dbus servers we will use vala Aug 22 09:51:02 jepp Aug 22 09:51:06 vala will generate the gobject Aug 22 09:51:11 and we write implementations in C:) Aug 22 09:51:17 that was my second thought Aug 22 09:51:27 for the clients, glib dbus binding tool will make our lives easier Aug 22 09:51:30 jepp, I am doing vala for quite a while now Aug 22 09:51:33 and it's great Aug 22 09:51:40 definitly Aug 22 09:52:02 i like vala, but until the EFL libraries doesn't get stable Aug 22 09:52:09 and so the vala bindings too Aug 22 09:52:16 i don't think i will use it for GUI Aug 22 09:53:06 hm Aug 22 09:53:16 but in the end it's the users descision Aug 22 09:53:38 morphis, i mean for my suite :) Aug 22 09:54:13 ah ok :) Aug 22 09:59:58 daniele_athome: i have a friend, a C coder. i have been considering lending him my second fr for development, but i didn't want him to start his own phone app, as many people do Aug 22 10:00:21 mmm Aug 22 10:01:57 he will have to decide for himself anyways, but at least i will mention what is alive nowadays in the fr community Aug 22 10:04:19 vanous, ok :) Aug 22 10:06:11 he has a second new born now so i don't know... but at least i will try Aug 22 10:08:54 eheh Aug 22 10:09:32 daniele_athome: anyways... one bug report :) Aug 22 10:09:51 vanous, eh? Aug 22 10:10:13 when message is being edited with kbd on and left open when the lock closes it, you cannot get out after unlocking Aug 22 10:10:22 kbd is gone and no AUX helps... Aug 22 10:10:45 vanous, aaah yeah i remember it Aug 22 10:10:51 the kbd is like locked Aug 22 10:11:05 i couldn't figure out yet why it happens Aug 22 10:11:06 guess so, but is not shown Aug 22 10:11:28 i know :( i'll fix that as soon as I can Aug 22 10:11:41 yup, just was able to repeat..... but Aug 22 10:11:55 when i left it on, the keyboard reapearred and it selffixed Aug 22 10:12:14 mmm Aug 22 10:12:31 six seconds for the kbd to reappear Aug 22 10:13:33 mmm Aug 22 10:13:40 could be like a race condition Aug 22 10:14:50 btw the kbd looks quite usable and doen't have that space taking top bar... Aug 22 10:20:39 hi mickey|zzZZzz Aug 22 10:21:08 daniele_athome: is there possible to use cyrillic symbols on a keyboard? Aug 22 10:26:02 vanous, you should see it in landscape Aug 22 10:26:13 unfortunately, with the current kernel rotation goes WSOD Aug 22 10:26:26 vanous, you can enable landscape keyboard editing the /usr/bin/mokosession file Aug 22 10:26:29 pass -l to the mokowm Aug 22 10:26:34 Q-Master, yes, i think so Aug 22 10:26:41 good Aug 22 10:26:45 it's just a matter of editing the EDC file Aug 22 10:26:47 of the keyboard Aug 22 10:26:58 i suppose Aug 22 10:27:10 hi morphis Aug 22 10:27:22 hey GNUtoo|laptop ! Aug 22 10:27:25 I've forgotten to ask a question: Aug 22 10:27:28 hi GNUtoo|laptop Aug 22 10:27:36 I saw oe commits about the bootloader of the palm pre! Aug 22 10:27:47 you can change the bootloader to xload+u-boot??? Aug 22 10:27:49 vanous, the kbd doesn't work with minimo, i don't know why Aug 22 10:27:56 maybe a focus issue of the wm Aug 22 10:28:13 daniele_athome: is it possible to switch 2 variants of keyboard: Latin and Cyrillic without restarting the keyboard. Aug 22 10:28:14 ? Aug 22 10:28:33 Q-Master, switching logic is inside the EDC, so i guess yes :) Aug 22 10:28:43 8) Aug 22 10:28:53 just copy-paste the needed part and edit some program blocks Aug 22 10:28:55 morphis, btw I've automatic gps on htcdream, I need to talk to mickeyl for publishing it Aug 22 10:29:02 because : Aug 22 10:29:07 *he's the fso maintainer Aug 22 10:29:20 you got it working with threads in the end? Aug 22 10:29:26 *I used some code he wrote under lgpl, It need to be relicenced Aug 22 10:29:36 no, I can't Aug 22 10:29:38 license issue Aug 22 10:29:39 u-boot: no we can't change the bootloader of the palm pre atm Aug 22 10:29:41 but.... Aug 22 10:29:53 morphis, so what were the u-boot commits? Aug 22 10:29:59 the commit was just about getting compiling x-load for palm pre in oe Aug 22 10:30:05 something depends on x-load Aug 22 10:30:10 I register my gps app against fso: Aug 22 10:30:18 http://pastebin.com/QE1czVzu Aug 22 10:30:25 and x-load takes automatically the machine name to generate a binary for the machine Aug 22 10:30:26 ahh ok Aug 22 10:30:32 so it does 'make palmpre_config' Aug 22 10:30:39 and there is no palmpre_config actually Aug 22 10:30:44 so we use the beagleboard one Aug 22 10:30:47 ok Aug 22 10:30:58 so basically it's only to get deps issue sorted Aug 22 10:31:03 ah ok you have a DBus-API now Aug 22 10:31:07 jepp Aug 22 10:31:33 I bet palm-pre's bootloader is singed,and that cpu requires a signed bootloader Aug 22 10:31:37 no Aug 22 10:31:42 ah? Aug 22 10:31:45 no singing on the palm pre Aug 22 10:31:57 so it would be possible to change the bootloader, but no one tried? Aug 22 10:31:58 you could load your own bootloader if you want Aug 22 10:32:01 jepp Aug 22 10:32:05 nice Aug 22 10:32:10 thats so great about the palm pre Aug 22 10:32:15 it's a very hacker friendly device Aug 22 10:32:25 and the omap3 is even great Aug 22 10:32:34 you can load a kernel via usb from power off state Aug 22 10:32:42 on dream you can flash your own bootloader too,but there were too much variables...so I didn't do it Aug 22 10:32:47 so quick bootloader testing is given Aug 22 10:32:53 :) Aug 22 10:32:56 here too Aug 22 10:33:01 ok Aug 22 10:33:05 thats great Aug 22 10:33:13 fastboot boot kenrel-image.fastboot Aug 22 10:33:29 I already planed to go more in the details of the bootloader + kernel but first the modem+image bits have to be done Aug 22 10:33:35 so roughly if someone has an htcdream...he can test shr without installing anything Aug 22 10:33:38 maybe in the autumn/winter Aug 22 10:33:42 if it's somewhat rooted Aug 22 10:33:44 great Aug 22 10:33:51 indeed Aug 22 10:33:51 thats the same for the pre Aug 22 10:33:51 morphis, i will write some paper about the mokosuite applications architecture Aug 22 10:33:55 SMS and wifi Aug 22 10:33:59 daniele_athome: great Aug 22 10:33:59 how things works and comunicate as of now Aug 22 10:34:04 and then talk about that later :) Aug 22 10:34:22 daniele_athome: I will write down my thoughts on org.freesmartphone.Lifecycle and so on .. Aug 22 10:34:29 good Aug 22 10:34:31 what's mokosuite? Aug 22 10:34:40 GNUtoo|laptop, http://www.opkg.org/package_339.html Aug 22 10:34:41 :P Aug 22 10:34:48 how dare you don't know what mokosuite is Aug 22 10:34:49 lol Aug 22 10:34:50 :P Aug 22 10:34:56 ah ok Aug 22 10:35:05 that's the name of your GUI Aug 22 10:35:13 yes Aug 22 10:35:20 also: does opkg still host viruses? Aug 22 10:35:31 GNUtoo|laptop, in what way? Aug 22 10:35:37 because opkg.org was not maintained Aug 22 10:35:38 anybody to pull ? Aug 22 10:35:42 anybody able to pull ? Aug 22 10:35:59 and someone succeded to penetrate into the website or machine hosting it Aug 22 10:36:09 and made opkg.org host virusses Aug 22 10:36:32 that was documented on the openmoko mailinglist Aug 22 10:36:37 really? Aug 22 10:37:13 yes Aug 22 10:37:16 opkg.org is not good solution for distributing packages at all .... Aug 22 10:37:34 daniele_athome, made some oe recipes yesterday Aug 22 10:37:44 s/,// Aug 22 10:37:44 GNUtoo|laptop meant: daniele_athome made some oe recipes yesterday Aug 22 10:38:09 so...maybe his apps will land in SHR some days Aug 22 10:38:20 GNUtoo|laptop, they already are :) Aug 22 10:38:34 i think JaMa is building them right now Aug 22 10:39:04 wow nice Aug 22 10:39:05 GNUtoo|laptop, yes, checked, they are on openmoko-3rdparty folder :) Aug 22 10:39:07 hi JaMa Aug 22 10:39:19 could you try to build wesnoth for SHR? Aug 22 10:40:00 for me it works fine without any PREFFERED_somethign Aug 22 10:40:07 so with stock boost etc... Aug 22 10:54:58 hi JaMa Aug 22 10:55:02 sorry for bad 3g Aug 22 10:55:14 JaMa, could you try to add wesnoth to SHR's feeds? Aug 22 10:55:26 hi dcordes Aug 22 10:55:38 dcordes, what does that means "AGPS present but needs client program" Aug 22 10:55:44 does it need that it works? Aug 22 10:56:04 or does it means that the client program has not been writen yet? Aug 22 10:59:03 btw morphis Aug 22 10:59:18 do you have an idea on when to expect working SMS? Aug 22 11:00:03 on the palm pre? Aug 22 11:00:07 yes Aug 22 11:00:25 as far as possible Aug 22 11:00:34 ? Aug 22 11:00:42 first I have to finish the basic msmcomm integration for fsogsmd Aug 22 11:00:49 ah it's not done yet Aug 22 11:00:55 I tought it was done Aug 22 11:01:01 naah, 20% of SMS is done Aug 22 11:01:02 or nearly done Aug 22 11:01:12 I now where I have to look to implement all needed parts Aug 22 11:01:17 by done I was talking about fso integration Aug 22 11:01:21 s/now/know/ Aug 22 11:01:21 morphis meant: I know where I have to look to implement all needed parts Aug 22 11:01:26 ok Aug 22 11:01:41 should be one day to implement SMS Aug 22 11:01:50 but if somebody like to do that I can teach Aug 22 11:01:57 btw daniele_athome, do you live near milan? Aug 22 11:02:05 ok Aug 22 11:02:09 hmmm Aug 22 11:02:23 I hesitate Aug 22 11:02:27 wifi is not working yet Aug 22 11:02:33 fso integration is not an issue for me Aug 22 11:02:40 I could do it if I've the time Aug 22 11:02:49 but I'm not sure to have the time Aug 22 11:03:27 :) Aug 22 11:04:06 I've too many devices, and more to come.... Aug 22 11:05:34 hello everyone. does someone had some error about util-linux-ng-readprofile while upgrating shr-u? Aug 22 11:07:11 GarthPS, I should look in my irc logs...JaMa said something about that Aug 22 11:07:37 GNUtoo|laptop: plz :) Aug 22 11:08:00 Aug 21 21:51:30 zub: update-alternatives --remove readprofile ../../bin/busybox Aug 22 11:08:00 Aug 21 21:51:39 JaMa: thanks Aug 22 11:08:00 Aug 21 21:51:56 zub: update-alternatives --remove readprofile /usr/sbin/readprofile Aug 22 11:08:00 Aug 21 21:52:01 and then opkg upgrade again :) Aug 22 11:15:55 GNUtoo|laptop: thx! Aug 22 11:17:12 GNUtoo|laptop: iirc I already added wesnoth to feeds a while ago Aug 22 11:17:19 now it works Aug 22 11:17:30 a while ago it required a special version of boost Aug 22 11:17:36 GNUtoo|laptop: http://git.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=ad112ee1ce53dfaf3fa2d7a10a79f724c8dd6335 Aug 22 11:17:54 nice Aug 22 11:17:56 thanks a lot!!!! Aug 22 11:18:00 it worked at least 10 days ago just fine :) Aug 22 11:18:19 it still works fine? Aug 22 11:18:21 daniele_athome: yup both packages are already in shr feeds Aug 22 11:18:58 I'll start rebuild on my host to test, but I guess so Aug 22 11:19:44 ok thanks a lot Aug 22 11:19:49 it was just that : Aug 22 11:19:51 it worked at least 10 days ago just fine :) Aug 22 11:20:02 could be missunderstood Aug 22 11:20:08 but now I understood well Aug 22 11:20:16 be back in a bit Aug 22 11:21:38 I meant that it worked when I added it Aug 22 11:22:50 hehe... wesnoth roxx, but seems it is almost unplayable without stilo Aug 22 11:30:23 ok Aug 22 11:30:25 thanks a lot Aug 22 11:30:33 Q-Master, depend on the device Aug 22 11:30:55 on om-gta02 -> stylo Aug 22 11:31:00 htcdream -> fingers Aug 22 11:31:32 hm... does dream have a capacitive touch? Aug 22 11:32:11 it has Aug 22 11:32:20 but it also has a bigger screen with smaller resolution Aug 22 11:32:26 in landscape mode it works Aug 22 11:32:31 480x320 Aug 22 11:32:51 480x320 mmm strange resolution Aug 22 11:33:28 palm-pre,iphone,etc...lots of device have the same resolution Aug 22 11:34:01 altough normally it should be in portrait more but because of the lack of xrandr -o 1 capability and keyboard orientation I've put it in landscape Aug 22 11:34:59 JaMa, could you please check if the alternative settings are right? Aug 22 11:35:10 my script mokosession should be an alternative for x-window-manager Aug 22 11:35:27 but it didn't seem to work the first time i installed the package Aug 22 11:35:45 I'll go out soon,test the GPS Aug 22 11:36:32 daniele_athome: yup they are ok, but you forgot to inherit update-alternative, I'll fix it Aug 22 11:36:39 oh :) Aug 22 11:36:55 thanks Aug 22 11:39:38 JaMa, another thing: when i make my own ipk on my local buildhost, when i install it opkg complains about mismatching md5sums Aug 22 11:39:41 how can i workaround it? Aug 22 11:40:09 when it's installed from your feeds right? Aug 22 11:40:23 I mean your feeds are defined in /etc/opkg? Aug 22 11:40:56 alias reindex="bitbake -c clean -b openembedded/recipes/meta/package-index.bb; bitbake -b openembedded/recipes/meta/package-index.bb" Aug 22 11:42:08 wow Aug 22 11:42:18 bitbake -b can be done on package-index Aug 22 11:42:19 nice Aug 22 11:42:21 JaMa: hi, can i disturb you a sec? if you have otherthing to do it is ok :) . If yes , do you know what to do after a update/upgrade and reboot and having a white screen instead of illume-shr ? Aug 22 11:42:49 because each time I bitbake package-index it looks at the last revs of autorev Aug 22 11:42:52 I'll go bye Aug 22 11:43:16 JaMa, no i mean manually installing the ipk Aug 22 11:44:20 JaMa, anyway not an urgent issue :) Aug 22 11:45:08 GNUtoo: -b can be used on everything, but then you should be 100% sure you have all deps right (which is OK for -c clean and -c build if you're debuging some build issue) Aug 22 11:45:28 daniele_athome: I don't think there is a way to ignore checksums from feed in this case Aug 22 11:45:56 daniele_athome: iirc it even ignores .ipg on cmdline if it founds newer of same package in feeds Aug 22 11:46:09 i see Aug 22 12:09:29 vanous: small change in atrack.bb, renamed to atrack_svn.bb and RDEPENDS should always be with _${PN} Aug 22 12:09:37 vanous: already did both changes.. no need to resend :) Aug 22 12:09:47 JaMa: thank you Aug 22 12:10:06 seems that ewebkit works only with x11 engine Aug 22 12:14:49 vanous: also, always use +svnr not -svnr Aug 22 12:15:07 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r1ec3c658418b 10/libmsmcomm/vapi/msmcomm-1.0.vapi: libmsmcomm: vapi: many bugfixes ... Aug 22 12:15:09 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * racc3d635ed23 10/msmcommd/src/ (5 files): msmcommd: implement most commands and unsolicited responses Aug 22 12:15:25 ok Aug 22 12:15:25 vanous: as it should be some version (like 0.0.80) + some commits from svn (ie after someone bumps SRCREV a bit) Aug 22 12:15:41 i see Aug 22 12:15:44 makes sense Aug 22 12:23:57 JaMa: did you already try to build automoc-native? it does not build here. http://tinderbox.openembedded.org/builds/84231/ Aug 22 12:25:57 if it's not in shr-*image/task-shr-feed DEPENDS then probably not Aug 22 12:27:06 JaMa: :) ok because I think the recipe is incorrect. I am checking it but as I am not so skilled with OE it may takes some time Aug 22 12:31:04 ok it is not in my skills Aug 22 12:31:13 daniele_athome: put my sim in, got an sms but it still showed unregistered Aug 22 12:31:52 i could dial but no sound and couldn't hang up, but this could be due to bad gsm reception Aug 22 12:31:58 daniele_athome: so just fyi Aug 22 12:32:46 oh, btw i thought that besides messages you were using also the contacts, but that seems to be rewritten too? Aug 22 12:32:52 vanous: did you remove phonefsod? Aug 22 12:32:58 yup Aug 22 12:33:30 btw atrack added, buildhost is building it atm Aug 22 12:33:46 thanks for recipe Aug 22 12:34:00 thank you :) Aug 22 12:34:30 maybe next time I'll track my bike trip :) Aug 22 12:34:59 baaah I hate this damn properitary protocols ... such I kind of inconsistency!! blame you qualcomm! Aug 22 12:35:22 * JaMa found great route through forest with about 15 wades in 2km :) Aug 22 12:35:25 you have to create an account on youloc.net first Aug 22 12:35:50 hehe Aug 22 12:36:09 done :) Aug 22 12:36:51 JaMa: seems illume2 has problems with additional keyboard layouts Aug 22 12:37:23 vanous: I see your position now :) Aug 22 12:37:34 well 6 days old :) Aug 22 12:38:42 alexxy: which problems? Aug 22 12:38:59 i cannot select illume-keyboard-russian-terminal Aug 22 12:39:00 =) Aug 22 12:39:05 for example Aug 22 12:39:40 (if it is linked to your conversation, I juste reflash with the last shr-u and choos illume-shr and now i have only a white screen.) Aug 22 12:39:42 JaMa: huh, yes, i am at home :) but will go to the forests in some minutes :) Aug 22 12:40:17 GarthPS: illume1 is somehow broken, use illume2 Aug 22 12:40:21 GarthPS: its but of illume-shr Aug 22 12:40:26 illume2 works Aug 22 12:40:29 but has issues Aug 22 12:40:47 GarthPS: I've tried to rebuild our illume1 config, but haven't found what is pulling old .so Aug 22 12:41:15 morphis: is there any documented way to boot some linux not from internal flash? Aug 22 12:41:23 ok thx both. but so how I switch to illume2 without ui ? :) Aug 22 12:41:32 papa-piet: for the palm pre? Aug 22 12:41:49 morphis: yes, I mean is there some howto? Aug 22 12:41:52 plus I need to launch the app-switcher (dond remember the name) Aug 22 12:42:49 papa-piet: you can use novaterm for this, take a look at http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Palm_Pre:_Install_FSO and you will get a idea about how to do this Aug 22 12:43:55 morphis: yeah but i meant without changing flash Aug 22 12:44:30 morphis: uBoot nfs Aug 22 12:44:31 ah, is there not the command mentioned for doing this? Aug 22 12:44:44 ah sorry Aug 22 12:44:58 you can do this via: novterm boot mem:// < uImage Aug 22 12:45:07 to boot a kernel with attached initramfs Aug 22 12:45:28