**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 04 02:59:57 2010 Sep 04 06:46:57 lindi-: i think you can compile arora sources that are in qtmoko also for X11+Qt, the QT api is same for framebuffer and X11 Sep 04 06:48:33 lindi-: there are usually only very few lines qtmoko specific, and those are probably #ifdef QTOPIA because we develop that apps on PC with QT-X11 Sep 04 12:49:49 heyho Sep 04 13:45:54 TAsn: still in korea? :) Sep 04 16:43:50 hi mickey|zzZZzz Sep 04 16:52:11 hi pespin Sep 04 16:52:28 GNUtoo|laptop, hi :) Sep 04 16:52:47 pespin, was it you that wanted me to do a video Sep 04 16:52:49 ? Sep 04 16:52:59 GNUtoo|laptop, yeah :) Sep 04 16:53:11 it's pushing to my server Sep 04 16:53:22 but my server is kind of slow Sep 04 16:53:38 and the video is kind of huge Sep 04 16:53:45 and I'm using the upload bandwith for vpn Sep 04 16:53:53 GNUtoo|laptop, great! which duration has it? and weight? Sep 04 16:54:04 it may be better to upload it to youtube too? Sep 04 16:54:09 30min Sep 04 16:54:14 oooh Sep 04 16:54:15 it'll be too slow Sep 04 16:54:19 but you can do it if you want Sep 04 16:54:26 and 30min won't work on youtube Sep 04 16:54:45 76M Sep 04 16:54:51 at less than 50k/s download Sep 04 16:55:02 GNUtoo|laptop, nah, my upload rate here is horrible. I download at 130 Kb/s maximum, imagine the upload.. lol Sep 04 16:55:34 ok Sep 04 16:55:36 so what should I do Sep 04 16:55:39 also Sep 04 16:55:42 there was an issue Sep 04 16:55:45 no sound Sep 04 16:55:49 GNUtoo|laptop, so maximum download rate is 50? may I try axel on you server? :P Sep 04 16:55:51 I didn't notice that Sep 04 16:56:06 axel? Sep 04 16:56:19 in less than one min it'll be pushed Sep 04 16:56:25 hi morphis Sep 04 16:56:28 GNUtoo|laptop, similar to wget, but downloads several parts of the file at the time, so downloads faster :) Sep 04 16:56:32 download accel Sep 04 16:56:34 ok Sep 04 16:56:40 ok Sep 04 16:57:05 did you use a webcam from the computer to record? Sep 04 16:57:15 I've had always problems trying to record video+audio from webcam Sep 04 16:57:35 me too but with cheese it was easy Sep 04 16:57:40 basically i've tried every other solution Sep 04 16:57:48 and they failed because of jpeg errors Sep 04 16:58:13 I have problems with cheese too Sep 04 16:58:34 who's got a fast connection Sep 04 16:58:38 no cheese is fine for me Sep 04 16:58:44 it's cpu hungry tough Sep 04 16:58:55 I have one when I'm at univ, but till 13th won't be there Sep 04 16:59:12 ok Sep 04 16:59:19 I can upload it when there Sep 04 17:01:57 http://gnutoo.homelinux.org/Videos/htcdream/GUI/output.avi Sep 04 17:02:03 don't download too fast please Sep 04 17:02:27 because the upload is used by the vpn I'm in Sep 04 17:02:29 or... Sep 04 17:02:39 the one who dowloads has to host it on a faster server Sep 04 17:02:46 like youtube or similar Sep 04 17:02:52 license: cc-by Sep 04 17:03:28 at the end the standby issue is due to improper mapping of the hangup key Sep 04 17:04:07 ah no now it works Sep 04 17:04:14 maybe xorg restarts broke it Sep 04 17:04:28 too much restarts.... Sep 04 17:08:05 vanous1, nah, home for a month now :P Sep 04 17:10:47 GNUtoo|laptop, downloading Sep 04 17:11:23 ok Sep 04 17:39:51 TAsn: oh, ok cool... too much dayjob here today... with koreaens... hmm, saturday, should not work today and been already 6 hours online with them... :( Sep 04 17:42:48 pespin, is it downloaded? Sep 04 17:43:03 damn battery Sep 04 17:44:10 GNUtoo|laptop, just finished Sep 04 17:44:12 :) Sep 04 17:44:27 ok Sep 04 17:44:41 I hope you won't be too much disapointed Sep 04 17:44:46 by the bad quality Sep 04 17:49:11 hi leviathan Sep 04 17:49:41 pespin, what do you think of it? Sep 04 17:51:43 GNUtoo|laptop, looking at it :) Sep 04 17:51:47 phone Sep 04 17:51:52 ok Sep 04 17:54:07 well, the quality is quite bad, it's dificult to read text, only guess what you type :P Sep 04 17:54:49 ok Sep 04 17:54:54 and I see you have the same problem as me launching apps within illume. those double-click to lunch apps are quite annoying :) Sep 04 17:55:04 320x240 webcam Sep 04 17:55:15 pespin, no I've less problem than with freerunner Sep 04 17:55:21 GNUtoo|laptop, yeah, I suppoused it' webcam problem :) Sep 04 17:55:21 still present but less issues Sep 04 17:55:30 the issue you see is that the phone is on a table Sep 04 17:55:45 and that it's difficult to use it in this position Sep 04 17:55:45 ok Sep 04 17:55:54 but the problem is still there Sep 04 17:56:02 just less important Sep 04 17:56:34 maybe it's just an illume setting? Sep 04 17:56:59 GNUtoo|laptop, no idea, but I thing that didn't happen some time ago Sep 04 17:57:08 ok Sep 04 17:57:17 illume1->illume2 Sep 04 17:57:32 in illume1 that issue was not present Sep 04 17:57:35 GNUtoo|laptop, maybe you do i later in video, but imho would be great to see the device itself, not only the screen Sep 04 17:57:40 or am I wrong? Sep 04 17:57:50 it gives the sensation of "Oh, he really can do that with that device! the same I have!" Sep 04 17:57:51 ah ok Sep 04 17:58:10 note that it's a preview video Sep 04 17:58:15 not all have been commited Sep 04 17:58:23 but I'll do very soon Sep 04 17:58:32 GNUtoo|laptop, yeah, just giving you ideas or if another one wants to do it :) Sep 04 17:58:38 ok Sep 04 17:59:01 because when it'll be commited it'll be easy to do a new video Sep 04 17:59:17 yep :) Sep 04 17:59:46 and well, sound is always welcome :P Sep 04 18:00:39 GNUtoo|laptop, are you using swap in htc dream? Sep 04 18:00:45 not at all Sep 04 18:00:57 I tried playing wesnoth once in FR, and didn't had enough RAM for it Sep 04 18:01:08 wesnoth,glibc etc evolved Sep 04 18:01:12 now it's faster Sep 04 18:01:18 and there is less ram on the htcdream Sep 04 18:01:20 110M Sep 04 18:01:36 I should try to apply phh's memory increase patches Sep 04 18:01:37 hm interesting, I'll have to try it in FR sometime in future Sep 04 18:01:51 just opkg install it Sep 04 18:01:55 it should be in the feeds now Sep 04 18:02:01 opkg install wesnoth Sep 04 18:02:03 oh great :D Sep 04 18:02:40 wesnoth -w -r 480x600 --nosound --nomusic Sep 04 18:02:54 and then put it fullscreen Sep 04 18:02:57 btw, I did a xrandr -o 1 before in my FR, and it look like the touchscreens doesn't get synced with landscape mode Sep 04 18:03:06 ah Sep 04 18:03:30 if it doesn't work in 480x640 ask me Sep 04 18:03:33 I mean, the display rotates, but pressing things in it doesn't work as expected Sep 04 18:03:36 I'll find how to make it work Sep 04 18:03:42 ok Sep 04 18:03:47 (I know where to look) Sep 04 18:04:02 I'll try later before going to party if I have time :) Sep 04 18:04:08 ok Sep 04 18:04:49 GNUtoo|laptop, are you running wesnoth server+client or connecting to an internet client? for ram space and that I mean Sep 04 18:05:05 s/internet client/internet server Sep 04 18:05:57 oh wait, I'm confusig myself Sep 04 18:06:00 no Sep 04 18:06:06 the game I tried some time ago was freeciv :P Sep 04 18:06:07 I run wesnoth offline Sep 04 18:06:21 it can work without the need of an external computer Sep 04 18:06:45 but that technique is good for evaluating a port Sep 04 18:06:48 ahhh wait a sec Sep 04 18:06:54 we have right click Sep 04 18:06:55 right Sep 04 18:07:09 so....wormux could be doable Sep 04 18:07:15 because in wormux the issue was right-click Sep 04 18:07:25 GNUtoo|laptop, but no fullscreen then Sep 04 18:07:56 indeed Sep 04 18:08:03 I should try with ssh -Y Sep 04 18:09:18 GNUtoo|laptop, btw, you could emulate right click with some hardware kb button? Sep 04 18:10:00 oh, and in the video, the screen something looks like purpleish Sep 04 18:10:01 yes maybe Sep 04 18:10:07 is that because of the webcam or the device itself? Sep 04 18:11:31 uhm freeciv is not in repos. I'll try someday another time Sep 04 18:12:22 webcam Sep 04 18:12:26 ok Sep 04 18:14:08 I personally like a lot more freeciv than wesnoth :) Sep 04 18:15:36 ok Sep 04 18:15:53 * GNUtoo|laptop wikipedias freeciv because it could have evolved a lot Sep 04 18:18:14 * pespin finishes video Sep 04 18:18:25 GNUtoo|laptop, do you have accels working? you could try mokomaze Sep 04 18:18:34 no Sep 04 18:18:36 not working Sep 04 18:18:41 and mokomaze wouldn't work Sep 04 18:18:49 because of the low resolution Sep 04 18:18:54 but I'll bitbake freeciv Sep 04 18:19:27 you may need sawp file for it :) Sep 04 18:19:37 swap* Sep 04 18:21:21 ah? Sep 04 18:22:55 GNUtoo|laptop, if things are like before, you won't have enough memory in it :) Sep 04 18:23:00 to run it Sep 04 18:23:11 ok Sep 04 18:23:21 note that we have less python code,no udev etc... Sep 04 18:23:32 well, it runs, but while loading game, it segfaults because of mem usage afair Sep 04 18:23:44 ok Sep 04 18:23:54 GNUtoo|laptop, hope it works :) Please ping me if you get it running Sep 04 18:24:01 internet is slow here,parsing often fail Sep 04 18:24:03 ok Sep 04 18:24:07 I don't have an armv4 OE tree for FR right now Sep 04 18:24:20 but we can put it in hr repos then :) Sep 04 18:24:34 s/hr/shr Sep 04 18:24:48 ok Sep 04 18:26:40 pespin, what other good games is there in oe? Sep 04 18:28:46 GNUtoo|laptop, don' know, but you could try teeworlds in htc dream (hw kb) http://teeworlds.com :) Sep 04 18:28:56 ok Sep 04 18:29:23 we even do championships of that game in university's party day lol xD Sep 04 18:30:19 does the dream have opengl es or similar? Sep 04 18:30:54 GNUtoo|laptop, I think grainy would be great to have too http://live.gnome.org/gbrainy Sep 04 18:30:59 lol Sep 04 18:31:05 no Sep 04 18:31:13 but uses mono, that might be a deal-braker Sep 04 18:31:19 opengl is proprietary Sep 04 18:31:32 not sure if there is a half-legal source implementation Sep 04 18:31:58 pespin, I'll bitbake only things in oe Sep 04 18:32:07 because I've to finish the dream port Sep 04 18:32:18 yep, no problem Sep 04 18:32:32 I let it here just in case someone bored wants to add them to OE xD Sep 04 18:33:26 ok Sep 04 18:33:44 I like to add games for oe,even if I don't play a lot Sep 04 18:34:13 on my todo list for games Sep 04 18:34:25 there is to fix pingus Sep 04 18:34:27 it has a memory leak Sep 04 18:34:33 and that's very annoying Sep 04 18:34:39 because on the htcdream Sep 04 18:34:43 the game is so great Sep 04 18:34:47 and so playable Sep 04 18:37:24 GNUtoo|laptop, what you mean opengl is proprietary? the driver on the dream? Sep 04 18:37:43 under android it's proptierary Sep 04 18:38:09 I heard things about opengl leaked sources,but I don't know if it applies to htcdream or if it's true Sep 04 18:38:20 or even if it's exact Sep 04 18:38:34 GNUtoo|laptop, you could try frozen-bubbles too, that's great :) Sep 04 18:38:39 with a hw-kb Sep 04 18:39:00 maybe it doesn't compile anymore Sep 04 18:39:03 not sure Sep 04 18:39:07 http://www.bec0de.com/images/linux/frozenbubble2rh0.png Sep 04 18:39:16 I know...I ported it to oe Sep 04 18:39:23 and wesnoth too Sep 04 18:39:27 oh great :) Sep 04 18:39:29 and xboard too Sep 04 18:39:39 GNUtoo|laptop, you didn't had it in your dream in your video, did you? Sep 04 18:39:46 for wesnoth and frozen bubble Sep 04 18:39:52 it was not exacly a port Sep 04 18:39:55 hmm Sep 04 18:39:57 but their version was so old Sep 04 18:40:04 for instance wesnoth 0.1 svn Sep 04 18:40:08 or something like that Sep 04 18:40:11 and frozen bubble 1 Sep 04 18:40:15 so I made new recipes Sep 04 18:40:19 and got commit access Sep 04 18:40:22 at the end Sep 04 18:40:41 pespin, no I had only some games,not all of them Sep 04 18:40:50 pespin: david will now send me the phone Sep 04 18:40:54 ok Sep 04 18:40:56 should get it the next few days Sep 04 18:41:01 ok Sep 04 18:41:10 and will I get one later? Sep 04 18:41:17 I can wait Sep 04 18:41:21 leviathan, great :) Sep 04 18:41:22 but in case you need some help Sep 04 18:41:44 GNUtoo|laptop, is frozen-bubble well playable on htc dream? :) Sep 04 18:41:47 GNUtoo|laptop: its a problem, because the CEOs aren't very generous in this respect Sep 04 18:41:52 ok Sep 04 18:41:57 but I suggested a meeting with them and our CEO Sep 04 18:42:05 to discuss business plans we made Sep 04 18:42:05 pespin, I never bitbaken it for the htcdream Sep 04 18:42:09 I'll do it Sep 04 18:42:11 ok Sep 04 18:43:08 some tetris-like game would be greate too Sep 04 18:43:40 hw-kb has great advantage of letting you play games hehe Sep 04 18:44:41 indeed Sep 04 18:45:45 pespin, how do I run freeciv? Sep 04 18:46:28 GNUtoo|laptop, look at /usr/share/games or similar Sep 04 18:46:35 if you can't find the binary, it should be there Sep 04 18:46:43 civclient Sep 04 18:46:44 /usr/share/games/freeciv Sep 04 18:46:46 yeah Sep 04 18:47:19 you can run your own server in htc to play alone, or you can connect to some internet/lan server Sep 04 18:53:22 pespin, bad news: it works but it's unusable(GUI) Sep 04 18:53:27 look at scap.linuxtogo Sep 04 18:58:49 GNUtoo|laptop, that's because the gtk backend Sep 04 18:59:03 GNUtoo|laptop, you should try compiling with sdk backend Sep 04 18:59:05 *sdl Sep 04 18:59:10 ok Sep 04 18:59:34 --enable-sdl or similar Sep 04 19:01:25 GNUtoo|laptop, you can see here screenshots about both displays (sdl,gtk) http://freeciv.wikia.com/wiki/Screenshots Sep 04 19:01:46 ok Sep 04 19:04:38 GNUtoo|laptop: got already some mirror for your video? Sep 04 19:05:08 GNUtoo|laptop: hey Sep 04 19:05:20 dos1, I need a mirror indeed Sep 04 19:05:28 I'm limited to 50k/s because of vpn Sep 04 19:05:37 for downlad here Sep 04 19:05:49 and where the server is the 50k/s are also used for upload Sep 04 19:05:53 you see the issue... Sep 04 19:06:16 GNUtoo|laptop: ok, so i'll upload it to youtube Sep 04 19:06:32 ok thanks a lot Sep 04 19:07:13 GNUtoo|laptop, I'll leave now, Will you try building it with sdl support? Sep 04 19:07:34 yes maybe Sep 04 19:07:38 I'll look Sep 04 19:10:16 ok than ks :) Sep 04 19:12:05 GNUtoo|laptop: did you hear from a person who wants to run SHR on the nexus ? Sep 04 19:12:42 no I only saw the mails Sep 04 19:13:02 I'm not sure if I'll port SHR on the nexus Sep 04 19:16:54 compiling Sep 04 19:16:56 they say to pray for it to compile fine Sep 04 19:17:13 and I didn't pray so it didn't work Sep 04 19:17:36 | chatline.c:92:5: error: too few arguments to function 'real_append_output_window' Sep 04 19:17:38 | ./../include/chatline_g.h:18:6: note: declared here Sep 04 19:17:38 etc... Sep 04 19:29:01 yay! Sep 04 19:29:02 http://dos.openmoko.pl/shr-n900-lang.jpg Sep 04 19:29:04 :D Sep 04 19:30:05 dos1: got SHR running on your shiny new n900? Sep 04 19:30:48 PaulF: yup. but now just language selector from e wizard, cause neither touchscreen nor usb networking are working :D Sep 04 19:31:09 dos1: BTW the message should say: "Select two", it would be even funnier then Sep 04 19:31:41 but well, i built this image by myself, because JaMa is gone, so it's good progress i think ;) Sep 04 19:31:43 lol Sep 04 19:33:24 anyone tried tmut (from libtinymail) for emails? Sep 04 19:35:03 GNUtoo|laptop: video downloaded :) Sep 04 19:35:14 ok Sep 04 19:35:35 n900 is better than dream but less suported Sep 04 19:35:36 tmut seems to start and run pretty well, but account creation seems an issue... Sep 04 19:35:47 when I'll have commited my stuff.... Sep 04 19:35:49 it will rock Sep 04 20:09:29 aaaaah Sep 04 20:10:03 well, touchscreen won't work without it in /dev :) Sep 04 20:10:21 and installing udev can help with that :D Sep 04 20:16:27 GNUtoo|laptop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZpbWc0vFlc Sep 04 20:16:40 GNUtoo|laptop: part 2 is now finishing uploading Sep 04 20:18:11 ok Sep 04 20:18:26 dos1, touchscreen is tslib right? Sep 04 20:18:47 GNUtoo|laptop: dunno, waiting for buildhost to sync, do i'll be able to install udev :D Sep 04 20:18:51 s/do/so/ Sep 04 20:18:51 dos1 meant: GNUtoo|laptop: dunno, waiting for buildhost to sync, so i'll be able to install udev :D Sep 04 20:19:22 GNUtoo|laptop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs4Z0It7mA4 Sep 04 20:19:25 and now part 3 Sep 04 20:20:10 huh, the stripes are great :), missing just some psychedelic music :)) Sep 04 20:21:59 ok Sep 04 20:22:14 lol Sep 04 20:23:17 browser rendering speed seems pretty good... Sep 04 20:24:15 it would be even better with ffbrowser :-) Sep 04 20:40:12 GNUtoo|laptop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VnbG2uTHT4 Sep 04 20:40:16 and that's all :) Sep 04 20:41:07 ok thanks a lot Sep 04 21:59:33 http://dos.openmoko.pl/n900/ :) Sep 04 22:00:14 dos1: what's the name of the boot loader? Sep 04 22:00:35 lindi-: bootmenu, something from maemo.org repo Sep 04 22:00:43 lindi-: haven't played with it more yet Sep 04 22:00:57 though i'm not sure if it's really bootloader :D Sep 04 22:01:13 it seems more like initrd image using kexec **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 05 02:59:57 2010