**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 12 02:59:57 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 12 04:52:32 2010 Sep 12 08:57:34 mickeyl: it's always nice to come home... doubly so when a black box is waiting for you :D Sep 12 08:58:22 DocScrutinizer: mine hit my neighbours while I was away... as expected Sep 12 09:03:44 dos1: ping Sep 12 09:20:10 mrmoku, hello Sep 12 09:35:45 daniele_athome: hey Sep 12 09:35:59 mrmoku, home from holidays? :) Sep 12 09:36:03 yup :) Sep 12 09:36:47 where? Sep 12 09:37:03 2 weeks italy and one week croatia Sep 12 09:37:47 ah yes i can remember now you told me once Sep 12 09:37:54 :) Sep 12 09:38:36 i hope your permanence in italy was good Sep 12 09:38:55 fine yeah Sep 12 09:39:21 less holiday more coming home for my wife... but fine anyway :P Sep 12 09:40:09 :) Sep 12 09:40:39 freesmartphone.org: 03felix.huber 07framework * r8c115dfb9440 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/modem.py: ogsmd ti_calypso: automatic adjust sysfs node to kernel version Sep 12 09:40:50 mrmoku, i guess you have write access to fso Sep 12 09:41:08 daniele_athome: yup Sep 12 09:41:16 daniele_athome: you too I think Sep 12 09:41:23 mickeyl has enabled me a new repository libfreesmartphone-glib Sep 12 09:41:24 yes i have Sep 12 09:41:41 i created my local repo and committed local modifications to it Sep 12 09:41:46 now i'm trying to push remotely Sep 12 09:41:53 first push? Sep 12 09:41:59 using git push origin master Sep 12 09:42:00 ERROR:gitosis.serve.main:Repository read access denied Sep 12 09:42:15 of course i added the remote origin first with git remote add origin
Sep 12 09:42:28 with what address? Sep 12 09:42:38 git@git.freesmartphone.org:libfreesmartphone-glib Sep 12 09:42:56 the strange thing is in the web interface there isn't any libfreesmartphone-glib repo Sep 12 09:43:02 freesmartphone.org: 03felix.huber 07framework * rf74e938351b4 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd: automatic adjust sysfs node to kernel version Sep 12 09:43:48 daniele_athome: try to add the git+ssh:// in front of the url in .git/config Sep 12 09:43:58 mmm Sep 12 09:44:10 mrmoku, but that url has always worked with other fso repository Sep 12 09:44:17 i'll try it anyway Sep 12 09:44:48 hmm Sep 12 09:44:51 mrmoku, ehm "couldn't resolve host name : name or service not known" Sep 12 09:44:52 can't clone it either Sep 12 09:44:54 :D Sep 12 09:44:56 i see Sep 12 09:45:11 i think by using that notation it's implicitly using ssh Sep 12 09:45:42 possible, yes Sep 12 09:46:02 because when i use it, git asks for my ssh private key passphrase Sep 12 09:46:03 guess you have to wait for mickey then Sep 12 09:46:10 ok Sep 12 09:46:11 so do i Sep 12 09:50:31 freesmartphone.org: 03felix.huber 07framework * r0dfe1a02c28f 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/headset.py: ophoned: optimise bluetooth headset funtions Sep 12 09:55:30 hi dos11 Sep 12 09:56:51 I've fixed the nokia900 kernel compilation....but I've not pushed as I don't know what PR to bump Sep 12 09:57:10 because there is one PR in machine conf, and one in the kenrel recipe Sep 12 09:57:26 the machine conf PR should be bumped Sep 12 09:57:38 but should the knerle recipe PR be bumped too? Sep 12 10:03:00 GNUtoo|laptop: http://vcs.maemo.org/git/h-e-n/?p=h-e-n;a=summary shows there're proper branches in there :) Sep 12 10:06:49 ok thanks Sep 12 10:06:55 PaulF: only macine conf Sep 12 10:07:24 s/PaulF/GNUtoo|laptop/ Sep 12 10:07:25 dos11 meant: GNUtoo|laptop: only macine conf Sep 12 10:07:36 ok thanks Sep 12 10:08:20 dos11, why is it made that way? is it for having separate PR, so you modify a patch and it affects only one machine? Sep 12 10:08:25 but why in mahcine conf Sep 12 10:08:28 why not : Sep 12 10:08:37 PR_nokia900 = "r53" Sep 12 10:09:01 dunoo, but as far as i saw that's why it's done now Sep 12 10:09:06 s/why/how/ Sep 12 10:09:06 dos11 meant: dunoo, but as far as i saw that's how it's done now Sep 12 10:09:11 ok Sep 12 10:24:33 dos1, I'll wait a bit for pushing, I'll try to fix other compilation failures like uboot Sep 12 11:00:58 mrmoku: aah, fine :-) Sep 12 11:01:48 ~moo Sep 12 11:01:49 * apt mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Sep 12 11:02:44 mrmoku: you pinged me? Sep 12 11:03:02 ~slap dos1 Sep 12 11:03:03 * apt slaps dos1, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Sep 12 11:03:17 ~help Sep 12 11:04:00 mrmoku: btw, welcome back :) Sep 12 11:04:11 yeah Sep 12 11:11:20 mrmoku: hope you enjoyed your holiday Sep 12 11:12:06 mrmoku: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware/N900/Installation ;) Sep 12 11:14:03 wtf? Sep 12 11:15:04 daniele_athome: ping Sep 12 11:15:10 mickeyl, pong Sep 12 11:15:18 daniele_athome: i see you having problems pushing. try the following Sep 12 11:15:25 git remote del origin Sep 12 11:15:43 git add remote origin git@git.freesmartphone.org:libfreesmartphone-glib.git Sep 12 11:15:58 git push origin master:refs/heads/master Sep 12 11:16:18 then yank your repo and reclone Sep 12 11:16:21 from there it should be as usual Sep 12 11:16:22 GNUtoo|laptop: what do you mean by "disable fsodeviced" in TODO? Sep 12 11:16:35 mrmoku: welcome back Sep 12 11:16:44 mickeyl, still read access denied :( Sep 12 11:16:50 in the push command Sep 12 11:16:58 strange Sep 12 11:17:02 dos1: \o/ Sep 12 11:17:04 let me try to create the first commit from here Sep 12 11:17:30 ok Sep 12 11:17:34 moo mickeyl Sep 12 11:18:06 DocScrutinizer: moin DocScrutinizer Sep 12 11:18:29 ok, same problem here Sep 12 11:18:34 let me check privileges Sep 12 11:18:51 aha Sep 12 11:18:58 DocScrutinizer: meow! Sep 12 11:19:13 dos1: please try again Sep 12 11:19:15 DocScrutinizer: do you know how to check resume reason on n900? Sep 12 11:19:23 dos1: this link definitely needs mentioning in #maemo ;-D Sep 12 11:19:38 /proc/bootreason Sep 12 11:19:54 maybe? Sep 12 11:20:24 DocScrutinizer: no, it seems to be just what name suggests - *boot* reason Sep 12 11:20:28 always pwr_key here Sep 12 11:20:49 please be well aware OMAP architecture doesn't need or want suspend Sep 12 11:21:33 It does zeroclock really pretty fine Sep 12 11:21:54 indeed Sep 12 11:22:05 that's so cool Sep 12 11:22:17 my device e.g. is on IRC (xchat) for 18h now, battery down to 70% Sep 12 11:22:41 mhm Sep 12 11:23:23 a base of 6mA with peaks up to 30mA when massive traffix on irc happens Sep 12 11:23:33 so it seems we'll need to change our suspend handling a bit Sep 12 11:23:36 yep Sep 12 11:23:46 ack Sep 12 11:25:04 dbus-daemon eats 100% CPU :/ Sep 12 11:25:19 dos1, I meant fsogsmd Sep 12 11:25:31 dos1, it sucks 100% resources Sep 12 11:25:34 sometimes... strange Sep 12 11:25:42 look at the logs Sep 12 11:25:50 it keep it growing Sep 12 11:25:55 GNUtoo|laptop: easy to disable, haven't i did it already? Sep 12 11:26:02 not sure Sep 12 11:26:04 s/did/done/ Sep 12 11:26:04 dos1 meant: GNUtoo|laptop: easy to disable, haven't i done it already? Sep 12 11:26:24 oh, i didn't Sep 12 11:26:26 so i'll do Sep 12 11:29:15 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07cornucopia * rbf0fd1adf336 10/fsogsmd/conf/ (Makefile.am nokia_n900/Makefile.am nokia_n900/fsogsmd.conf): fsogsmd: add nokia_n900 config Sep 12 11:29:17 mickeyl, so is it auth problem? Sep 12 11:30:49 daniele_athome: should work now Sep 12 11:30:52 ok Sep 12 11:31:08 just forget to add it in gitosis.conf Sep 12 11:31:11 :) Sep 12 11:31:16 s/forget/forgot/ Sep 12 11:31:16 mickeyl meant: just forgot to add it in gitosis.conf Sep 12 11:31:58 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=814015#post814015 :-D Sep 12 11:32:40 don't forget your protective wear whenever touching tmo :-P Sep 12 11:32:53 ~tmo Sep 12 11:32:55 it has been said that tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic Sep 12 11:33:16 though it used to be "or trolls, morons, oxes" :-P Sep 12 11:33:32 DocScrutinizer: yeah, enjoyed... even without inet ;) Sep 12 11:33:55 dos1: yeah, wanted to know if your n900 patches are to be applied... or if somebody already did Sep 12 11:34:27 mrmoku: to be applied AFAIK ; Sep 12 11:34:28 dos1: you're incredible. Kudos Sep 12 11:34:29 ;) Sep 12 11:36:52 dos1: ok, will look into applying them Sep 12 11:37:48 mrmoku: thanks Sep 12 11:39:34 mrmoku: did you see that electranox started with a libisi in vala? that looks very promising for n900/fsogsmd integration Sep 12 11:41:04 mickeyl: no, did not yet see anything yet... link? Sep 12 11:41:43 mickeyl, perfect :) Sep 12 11:43:33 mrmoku: https://elektranox.org/n900/libisi/index.html Sep 12 11:43:41 mickeyl, DocScrutinizer, dos1: btw... being used to FR this looks like a real nice piece of hardware :P Sep 12 11:43:51 dos1: thanks Sep 12 11:44:57 mrmoku: yes. while i'm not 100% satisfied with mechanical quality and the touchscreen, it's another league than the FR for sure Sep 12 11:45:35 mrmoku: well... sometimes i don't notice lags in UI when dbus-daemon sucks 100% CPU, because they look exactly like typical FR lags :D Sep 12 11:45:49 :P Sep 12 11:46:44 dos1: is there some OE image already? Sep 12 11:46:55 hi mickeyl mrmoku Sep 12 11:47:01 GNUtoo|laptop: hi Sep 12 11:47:02 mrmoku: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/nokia900/ :D Sep 12 11:47:08 :) Sep 12 11:47:10 mrmoku, there is some image but it doesn't build (nasty hack) Sep 12 11:47:21 * GNUtoo|laptop will push kenrel fix Sep 12 11:47:34 mrmoku: but i'm not using kernel from OE yet Sep 12 11:47:38 ok Sep 12 11:48:02 dos1, should I push now or can I wait? Sep 12 11:48:02 mickeyl, CIA doesn't see the repository i think Sep 12 11:48:11 daniele_athome: yes, it's not configured yet Sep 12 11:48:15 did you push? Sep 12 11:48:17 i guessed so :) Sep 12 11:48:18 GNUtoo|laptop: push when you want Sep 12 11:48:19 yes Sep 12 11:48:22 i will do the remaining configuration then Sep 12 11:48:26 good Sep 12 11:48:28 thanks mickeyl Sep 12 11:48:32 np Sep 12 11:48:33 ok Sep 12 11:48:55 btw does omapfb support xrandr -o 1 Sep 12 11:48:57 or similar Sep 12 11:49:07 Ishould check how touchbook does it Sep 12 11:49:09 GNUtoo|laptop: i just did "bitbake linux -c menuconfig" on buildhost and disabled module which was failing ;) Sep 12 11:49:20 dos1, ah ok I've a fix for that Sep 12 11:49:26 with proper patch Sep 12 11:49:27 GNUtoo|laptop: here it doesn't work, but i haven't checked why Sep 12 11:49:29 I'll push Sep 12 11:49:32 GNUtoo|laptop: ok, nice :) Sep 12 11:50:09 ok, done, further commits should show up here and on the mailing list Sep 12 11:50:51 dos1, so they made a master: * [new branch] master -> origin/master Sep 12 11:50:59 where should I push? Sep 12 11:51:35 hmm? master on OE git? Sep 12 11:51:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfreesmartphone-glib * r3aa73f68398e 10/README: bump Sep 12 11:51:47 GNUtoo|laptop: push to org.openembedded.dev, as always Sep 12 11:51:52 ok Sep 12 11:51:57 what is master for? Sep 12 11:52:11 I eared that it should replace org.openembedded.dev Sep 12 11:53:09 just a convenience thing, it's unusual to have no master branch Sep 12 11:53:23 this is a monotone-legacy we inherited Sep 12 11:54:41 ok, indeed no master confuse things Sep 12 11:55:36 mrmoku: (nice piece of hw) indeed :-DD **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 12 11:57:28 2010 Sep 12 11:59:23 DocScrutinizer: ahh, ok... will try to plug/unplug carefully then... Sep 12 12:04:59 yeah, and if you detect *any* changes or strange things with USB receptacle: GO FOR A FIXING *IMMEDIATELY* Sep 12 12:05:35 first stage odds are you can fix easily, by simply resoldering the mechanical support posts Sep 12 12:06:22 ok Sep 12 12:07:46 DocScrutinizer, how long usb receptacle lasts usually? Sep 12 12:10:38 until you break it Sep 12 12:10:59 DocScrutinizer: btw. got a first GPS fix *inside* within some seconds :) Sep 12 12:11:39 yeah, with SIM booked in GPS on N900 is pretty swift and sensitive Sep 12 12:12:02 ok, now all my patches from buildhost are on patchwork (except mplayer) Sep 12 12:12:15 without SIM however it takes 10min.. to get a fix under best conditions Sep 12 12:12:59 modulo you got a fix recently Sep 12 12:13:17 dos1: will get me a coffee and look at them after that Sep 12 12:13:19 that explains why i couldn't get gps fix Sep 12 12:13:25 DocScrutinizer: i see Sep 12 12:14:44 oh, EXTRA_IMAGEDEPENDS too Sep 12 12:14:49 but i leave it to GNUtoo|laptop ;) Sep 12 12:15:02 dos1, hi Sep 12 12:15:08 dos1, what do you leave me? Sep 12 12:15:16 theory goes like that: GPS is connected to RAPUYAMA cellmo, and AGPS is managed inside cellmo FW. Cellmo FW relies on SIM GSM location (for country) and fails if no SIM available Sep 12 12:15:19 I'm very busy actually Sep 12 12:15:46 GNUtoo|laptop: u-boot and x-load Sep 12 12:16:12 dos1, ah right I can do that Sep 12 12:16:16 freesmartphone.org: 03daniele.athome 07libfreesmartphone-glib * r8c77d99de8bf 10/tools/dbus-rapid-bindings.py: Sep 12 12:16:16 freesmartphone.org: Support for reverse converters (converter for input arguments) Sep 12 12:16:16 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Daniele Ricci Sep 12 12:16:27 DocScrutinizer, gps was commited in meego? Sep 12 12:16:40 GNUtoo|laptop: as on buildhost i just did dirty hack, so i won't send patch with it Sep 12 12:16:40 sorry, no idea Sep 12 12:16:59 hmm Sep 12 12:17:01 DocScrutinizer: btw. got a first GPS fix *inside* within some seconds :) Sep 12 12:17:04 jacekowski did some gentoo hackery Sep 12 12:17:11 what was he talking about? Sep 12 12:17:16 libframeworkd-glib, libfso-glib, libfreesmartphone-glib Sep 12 12:17:24 easy to get lost ;) Sep 12 12:17:47 GNUtoo|laptop: he's talking bout maemo on N900 :-) sorry for OT Sep 12 12:17:54 ok Sep 12 12:17:55 np Sep 12 12:18:24 lindi-: ^^^ see we're doing it again Sep 12 12:18:31 ~spank DocScrutinizer Sep 12 12:18:31 * apt bends DocScrutinizer over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on DocScrutinizer's pasty white buttocks. Sep 12 12:43:32 dos1, do you know multiboot? Sep 12 13:17:27 GNUtoo|laptop: i know it exists, but don't know details Sep 12 13:18:24 dos1, with multiboot you can "boot" multiple kernels Sep 12 13:18:32 it does it by flashing the kernel Sep 12 13:18:36 and the booting it Sep 12 13:19:00 GNUtoo|laptop: what about http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/u-boot/ ? Sep 12 13:19:09 that would be so great Sep 12 13:19:50 dos1, then how to update maemo's kernel? Sep 12 13:20:39 also, could we modify it to make a menu? Sep 12 13:21:28 dunno, i've just found this url :D Sep 12 13:24:25 EXTRA_IMAGEDEPENDS := "${@oe_filter_out('u-boot x-load', '${EXTRA_IMAGEDEPENDS}', d)}" doesn't work Sep 12 13:24:40 NameError: name 'oe_filter_out' is not defined Sep 12 13:28:53 GNUtoo|laptop: (update kernel) flasher can flash kernel only, and also it can load kernel to ram and execute it, without flashing it Sep 12 13:29:17 ok Sep 12 13:29:18 GNUtoo|laptop: but don't forget about modules Sep 12 13:29:53 tries 0xFFFF ? Sep 12 13:29:58 tried* Sep 12 13:30:21 seems last update was from 2009 or sth Sep 12 13:30:54 yes it works Sep 12 13:31:03 I didn't try every function Sep 12 13:31:08 tough Sep 12 13:31:15 I only tried the -i Sep 12 13:31:40 btw you know flasher also works in 'native' mode, n N900 directly? at least that's what kernel packages seem to do Sep 12 13:31:55 ah Sep 12 13:32:03 there are 0xFFFF recipes in OE :) Sep 12 13:32:10 they're old Sep 12 13:32:12 because: Sep 12 13:32:20 *or I didn't try the right command Sep 12 13:32:26 *or we need a recent version Sep 12 13:32:35 so we could update them ;) Sep 12 13:32:46 it should be easier than writing them from scratch Sep 12 13:34:02 indeed Sep 12 13:34:11 apart that I'm worried about rotation Sep 12 13:34:16 touchbook can rotate Sep 12 13:34:23 but I wonder how they do that Sep 12 13:44:16 GNUtoo|laptop: omap3-touchbook in OE has Driver "fbdev" in xorg.conf Sep 12 13:52:01 dos1, does that looks good: http://pastebin.com/zuKXR3DX Sep 12 13:52:29 because after looking at omap3.inc...I saw that we shared nearly nothing with it Sep 12 13:53:29 GNUtoo|laptop: well, ask someone from oe :) Sep 12 13:53:35 maybe mickeyl Sep 12 13:53:38 ok Sep 12 13:53:44 I'll ask Sep 12 14:05:03 dos1: hi Sep 12 14:07:07 BluesLee: hello :) Sep 12 14:07:24 saw your topic on tmo, thanks :) Sep 12 14:07:42 sorry, i couldnt wait to post it:-) Sep 12 14:08:43 i use multiboot Sep 12 14:09:06 and it does not work with multiboot Sep 12 14:14:19 BluesLee: we should start providing our own working kernel soon - with it booting with multiboot AFAIK should work :) Sep 12 14:14:35 dos1: that would be great Sep 12 14:17:15 so many distros now Sep 12 14:20:41 dos1, pushed for machine config Sep 12 14:21:30 GNUtoo|laptop: could you also take a look on mplayer issue? Sep 12 14:21:38 ouch maybe Sep 12 14:21:41 that's the last one afair :) Sep 12 14:21:44 ok Sep 12 14:21:48 are you sure Sep 12 14:21:53 because there is an fso stuff Sep 12 14:21:56 that doesn't build Sep 12 14:22:05 ERROR: '/home/gnutoo/embedded/oe/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/freesmartphone/fsogsmd_git.bb' failed Sep 12 14:23:09 GNUtoo|laptop: i sent patches for that (bumping cornucopia, libfso-glib and fso-specs :P) Sep 12 14:23:17 ok Sep 12 14:23:46 GNUtoo|laptop: http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/project/SHR/list/ Sep 12 14:24:08 ok 1sec I'm doing mplayer Sep 12 14:24:39 ok Sep 12 14:40:15 dos11: applied and pushed Sep 12 14:41:02 I've a little problem with packaging staging Sep 12 14:42:09 after solving that and when testing will be done and commit message written and all checked and cherry-picked I will push Sep 12 15:05:21 could somebody update me about state of SHR on FR? Usability, feature-completeness, testing? Sep 12 15:06:52 (sorry lost track a bit during last few months. Just a twoliner with a few latest facts would be nice) Sep 12 15:07:07 alternatively a URL Sep 12 15:07:21 hehe Sep 12 15:08:23 I take this as "forget it, state unchanged"? Sep 12 15:08:44 no no Sep 12 15:08:50 DocScrutinizer: for sure the state changed :) Sep 12 15:09:01 i mean i am in the same position Sep 12 15:09:16 i got my n900 and forgot the freerunner Sep 12 15:09:46 but it looks awful as before:-) Sep 12 15:09:47 DocScrutinizer: though it I think it will still not meet your usability criteria :/ Sep 12 15:10:25 doesn't matter if it meets mine. I have no decent answer to others asking about it Sep 12 15:10:26 still loooots of work to do :( Sep 12 15:10:37 ok :) Sep 12 15:11:16 IMHO it is a lot better than when you switched platform Sep 12 15:11:37 and still has lots of problems Sep 12 15:12:00 at least it's a lot faster nowadays Sep 12 15:12:18 hell, back then even basic calls were ok. Though I gathered meanwhile even ALSA was completely fscked and nothing worked better than 0808 Sep 12 15:13:08 basic calls work fine... GPRS and GPS too Sep 12 15:13:25 0808 still being golden sample in my book, maybe just a tad behind 0916 or similar Sep 12 15:16:16 Hello all Sep 12 15:16:44 mrmoku: :nod: thanks Sep 12 15:16:46 Saluton Sep 12 15:16:53 So, calls work? Sep 12 15:17:23 viric ponders to buy a FR Sep 12 15:17:30 (I'm taking a look at the channel log) Sep 12 15:18:50 viric: nobody can recommend you to buy freerunner as daily phone Sep 12 15:18:58 does the FR have a loud speaker I could use to play mp3? Sep 12 15:19:03 gena2x: ok Sep 12 15:19:04 viric: yes Sep 12 15:19:22 viric: buy it only if you want to do development Sep 12 15:19:36 ok Sep 12 15:19:53 viric: but basic calls should work. not only basic, but also lots of stuff Sep 12 15:20:05 there *are* reports of people using FR as a daily phone. Hell even I did :-D Sep 12 15:20:06 I'll take a look at phone prices... Sep 12 15:21:42 but admittedly you have to have some linux admin skills to put a FR to purpose. If you don't feel happy with linux desktop console, you probably shouldn't bother to get a FR Sep 12 15:22:16 I do some work as a maintainer in a linux distribution... Sep 12 15:22:28 And I maintain arm and mips platforms for that Sep 12 15:22:42 so FR might be OK for you Sep 12 15:23:04 much stuff wants to be done Sep 12 15:23:05 :) Sep 12 15:23:10 viric, hi, I always wondered how normal distro cross-compile, they use qemu? Sep 12 15:23:22 I cross-compile only for the nanonote Sep 12 15:23:31 ah nice nanonote Sep 12 15:23:34 I natively compile on arm (sheevaplug) and mips64 (fuloong) Sep 12 15:23:42 ah lemote.... Sep 12 15:23:49 you seem a free software person Sep 12 15:23:52 viric: we have 2 major distros - shr and qtmoko. Sep 12 15:23:54 haha Sep 12 15:23:54 :) Sep 12 15:24:24 gena2x: maybe you could have a third :) Sep 12 15:24:36 how much things like kernel or userland programs are far from upstream versions? Sep 12 15:24:54 i mean how far Sep 12 15:25:00 viric: qtmoko is debian + qtextender Sep 12 15:25:19 viric: so, userland is all upstream, expept qtentended Sep 12 15:25:26 ok Sep 12 15:25:48 kernel is OE aiui Sep 12 15:25:56 viric: shr is full recompilation - with openembedded stuff Sep 12 15:26:04 indeed Sep 12 15:26:12 it's an angstrom derived distribution Sep 12 15:26:16 ok Sep 12 15:26:27 also andriond exist Sep 12 15:26:28 But I mean, for the kernel source, is the upstream kernel valid? Sep 12 15:26:41 about kernel... Sep 12 15:26:50 viric, as you're a free software person I advise a debian based distribution as no one checked if SHR had non-free parts but it's unlikely as everything is compiled Sep 12 15:26:50 we have 2 kernels Sep 12 15:27:04 .29 and .32/.34 Sep 12 15:27:05 or it is about "get the latest master to get calls working" Sep 12 15:27:07 :) Sep 12 15:27:28 .29 is old and stable, but far from upstream Sep 12 15:27:30 but SHR phone part is nicer Sep 12 15:27:51 http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Screenshots Sep 12 15:28:00 .32 and .34 still has bugs but only few (but big chunks) are missing from upstream Sep 12 15:28:19 but some SHR/fso bits went into debian Sep 12 15:28:23 how about typing? How does it work in the FR? Sep 12 15:28:36 and maybe one day a stock debian could work as well as SHR Sep 12 15:28:40 all distributions has own keyboards Sep 12 15:28:46 there's a selection of vkbds Sep 12 15:28:54 they all different Sep 12 15:28:58 viric, software keyboards, if you use a stylus it's quite fast to type, at least in SHR Sep 12 15:29:07 android has it's own, qtmoko is own Sep 12 15:29:11 shr is own Sep 12 15:29:23 shr uses Enligtenment and it's keyboard Sep 12 15:29:28 I've never been a fan of touchscreens Sep 12 15:29:42 viric, then wire a keyboard using bluetooth or usb host Sep 12 15:29:50 s/wire/you could wire/ Sep 12 15:29:51 GNUtoo|laptop meant: viric, then you could wire a keyboard using bluetooth or usb host Sep 12 15:30:06 hw platforms that are cheap, free, AND have hw-kbd ENONEXIST Sep 12 15:30:16 you'll basically get usual linux system Sep 12 15:30:33 lol about the -ENONEXIST Sep 12 15:30:52 hm it does not look as bad as I was imaging through comments in #qi-hardware Sep 12 15:30:53 with wifi, usb, bluetooth, gps. so you can connect anything to it including keyboard Sep 12 15:31:31 So, I hear a lot of 'this and this works fine', but I also hear "there is a lot not working". What does not work for example? Sep 12 15:31:31 viric, basically it depend on your tolerence of non-perfect things, if you're very tolerent it can work fine but be sure to get an A7 or A7+ verison Sep 12 15:31:35 viric: recently most performance problems were fixed Sep 12 15:31:45 yeah, actuall usb hostmode with kbd works like a charm Sep 12 15:31:50 viric, I've bad audio quality on headphones.... Sep 12 15:31:55 performance problems? it affects directly battery length thne Sep 12 15:31:57 then Sep 12 15:32:01 that's aknown problem Sep 12 15:32:19 viric: you can watch my video of latest qtmoko Sep 12 15:32:32 gena2x: great Sep 12 15:32:36 gena2x: send a link... Sep 12 15:32:43 btw the first hw bug I spotted even before joining OM EE Sep 12 15:32:47 viric: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYZzmSicpyk Sep 12 15:33:05 what about battery length? Sep 12 15:33:18 the sound quality is not problem of fr, but problem of headset ifself Sep 12 15:33:34 incredible how you can change a 100uF in application paper to a 1uF in own design :-S Sep 12 15:33:35 gena2x, rather headset output Sep 12 15:33:46 gena2x: nope, wrong Sep 12 15:33:51 so you can buy other headset and audio quality will change significantly Sep 12 15:34:08 gena2x, wrong I've another headset and it's still problematic Sep 12 15:34:09 it has a long boottime I see in thevideo :) Sep 12 15:34:21 viric, SHR has devtmpfs Sep 12 15:34:25 so short boot times Sep 12 15:34:27 I'll check Sep 12 15:34:35 viric: as i told, it is just usual debian Sep 12 15:34:45 let me find a microsd, I was running gamerunner 0.2 Sep 12 15:35:06 sd number 5 Sep 12 15:35:06 viric: so it boots quite long. but why boot many times? Sep 12 15:35:24 gena2x: your video looks отлично Sep 12 15:36:04 It looks like everything owrks Sep 12 15:36:05 works Sep 12 15:36:07 :) Sep 12 15:36:15 GNUtoo|laptop: really, i am big fan of good sound quality Sep 12 15:36:24 gena2x, me too Sep 12 15:36:36 GNUtoo|laptop: i can say that default quality is unacceptable for me Sep 12 15:36:39 basically I bought the freerunner => bad sound Sep 12 15:36:54 the htcdream => better but not perfect Sep 12 15:36:57 GNUtoo|laptop: but with other speakers - it is very good Sep 12 15:37:04 n900 => good but some buffer underrun under illume Sep 12 15:37:25 viric, under SHR: 50s until GUI Sep 12 15:37:25 viric: thanks, i hope it answered many questions for you Sep 12 15:37:37 so, for development... would I need any special hardware, or the phone is enough? Sep 12 15:37:48 viric, depends on what you do Sep 12 15:37:52 viric: for almost any task it is ok Sep 12 15:38:16 viric: except kernel, where debug board may be helpful Sep 12 15:38:18 viric, because a debug board with serial and jtag is available but you don't need that for writing applications Sep 12 15:38:25 does it run any j2me things? Sep 12 15:38:36 wouldn't the phone directly have jtag? Sep 12 15:38:38 viric, if you compile them why not Sep 12 15:38:46 viric: people report it works Sep 12 15:38:58 viric: but nothing like this in stock destros Sep 12 15:38:59 gena2x, ah java is now in SHR feeds? Sep 12 15:39:05 viric: yes, debug board brings genuine JTAG to FR Sep 12 15:39:06 ah ok Sep 12 15:39:08 :) Sep 12 15:39:21 i saw video on youtube while were placing mine Sep 12 15:39:23 viric, basically there is a special connector for serial and jtag Sep 12 15:39:24 I'm confused by what you say that works, and the frightening advises I'm receiving in parallel. :) Sep 12 15:39:27 also i think android has one Sep 12 15:39:29 What is not working? Sep 12 15:39:44 viric, basically now it works a lot better than before but it's far from perfect Sep 12 15:39:47 viric: few bugs exist Sep 12 15:39:58 really annoying bugs Sep 12 15:39:59 Does it hang, let's say? :) Sep 12 15:40:03 viric, again it depends on your level of tolerence of problems Sep 12 15:40:03 DocScrutinizer: like what? Sep 12 15:40:08 never hangs Sep 12 15:40:16 viric, also it doesn't compare to a recent smartphone Sep 12 15:40:19 audio on wired headsets is CRAP Sep 12 15:40:26 indeed for audio Sep 12 15:40:28 DocScrutinizer: no! Sep 12 15:40:33 occasional 1024 Sep 12 15:40:35 it's strange Sep 12 15:40:36 ~1024 Sep 12 15:40:41 because some people say it's fine Sep 12 15:40:42 some no Sep 12 15:40:43 ~1024? what is this? Sep 12 15:40:43 for audio Sep 12 15:40:45 viric: okay Sep 12 15:40:49 I'm in the no camp Sep 12 15:41:14 GNUtoo|laptop: DocScrutinizer: once i'll record audio for you guys Sep 12 15:41:19 viric: bug #1024: frequent reregistering of GSM Sep 12 15:41:28 viric: but it has fix Sep 12 15:41:33 gena2x: no need to do that Sep 12 15:41:36 viric,do you already have a phone btw? Sep 12 15:41:43 s/phone/cellphone Sep 12 15:42:07 DocScrutinizer: but how to prove that it is ok in other way? Sep 12 15:42:11 I *know* what a -6dB/octave highpass with f0 of 2000hz sounds like Sep 12 15:42:25 I have a phone, which looks like a bit broken. It worked for three years; now calls work fine, but gprs works very slow these last days, and using gprs it heats. Sep 12 15:42:27 ah :) Sep 12 15:42:35 (a usual sony ericsson) Sep 12 15:42:42 viric: heh Sep 12 15:42:43 dos11, mrmoku http://pastebin.com/S1mer94B Sep 12 15:42:51 viric: on fr, gprs is very slow Sep 12 15:42:54 gena2x: what about the sound quality on the loud speaker, as for listening to mp3 recorded radio programs (voice mostly)? Sep 12 15:43:06 viric: and hangs often. Sep 12 15:43:13 oh. bad about gprs. Sep 12 15:43:14 viric, freerunner has gprs too Sep 12 15:43:17 viric: no very good not very bad Sep 12 15:43:19 some lines ago I read "gprs works" Sep 12 15:43:26 gps? Sep 12 15:43:34 viric, sound quality on speaker is fine and great Sep 12 15:43:37 nad what is the trouble in gprs ,more or less? Sep 12 15:43:47 it has GPS and GPRS Sep 12 15:44:01 viric, no trobble at all, it works like other GPRS...which are slow Sep 12 15:44:06 [2010-09-12 17:09:19] basic calls work fine... GPRS and GPS too Sep 12 15:44:14 ah, like others! Sep 12 15:44:15 so same speed than your old phone I bet Sep 12 15:44:18 I'm happy with 56kbps Sep 12 15:44:45 viric, what do you think of a non-free hardware phone(no schematics) running something like debian or SHR? Sep 12 15:44:49 and that's what you get with FR Sep 12 15:44:51 some have working 3g Sep 12 15:45:06 great. Sep 12 15:45:10 I don't mind about 3g I think. Sep 12 15:45:10 but they are less supported than the freerunner Sep 12 15:45:14 ok Sep 12 15:45:30 so don't mind about more recent phones, look at the freerunner Sep 12 15:45:35 FR not even supports EDGE Sep 12 15:45:52 GPRS is very slow.... Sep 12 15:45:54 only wifi Sep 12 15:45:54 How is the probability that developing or using normally the FR, I'll get a very big bill from my network provider? :) Sep 12 15:46:04 but I use only wifi when I'm not in france Sep 12 15:46:21 what is EGDE? Sep 12 15:46:22 EDGE Sep 12 15:46:34 where is 2G, 2G+, 3G Sep 12 15:46:44 it has different speed Sep 12 15:46:51 viric: EDGE is 2.5G in market speak Sep 12 15:46:52 FR is 2G Sep 12 15:47:08 I prefer something free to 3G, for sure Sep 12 15:47:40 I'm also not going to ask how well youtube works. ;) Sep 12 15:47:48 viric, basically there aren't a lot of phones running free software Sep 12 15:47:55 I understand Sep 12 15:48:00 for the one that do telephony Sep 12 15:48:07 *openmoko phones Sep 12 15:48:16 *htcdream (has an issue in US+AU) Sep 12 15:48:18 viric: surprising, but youtube works Sep 12 15:48:21 So, I'm a bit afraid of using something "not working very much" connected to my SIM card, that can go with high billings from my provider. Sep 12 15:48:25 *palm pre (not ready yet,no wifi) Sep 12 15:48:30 gena2x: really? With gnash? Sep 12 15:48:30 s/wifi/wifi yet Sep 12 15:48:41 viric: with some recoding, and not really in very useful way Sep 12 15:49:00 i personally found it not useful atm :) Sep 12 15:49:00 ah. because gnash works bad for me even in x86_64. Sep 12 15:49:13 viric, gnash would be too slow, and I'm not sure if it currently compiles Sep 12 15:49:29 What is the processor? an omap ? Sep 12 15:49:34 viric: nope Sep 12 15:49:40 viric, ouch no an armv4@400Mhz Sep 12 15:49:41 viric: 400Mhz arm Sep 12 15:49:46 without dsp? Sep 12 15:49:51 100mhz membus Sep 12 15:49:52 there is the glamo Sep 12 15:49:56 128 mem Sep 12 15:50:08 but we are using only parts of glamo Sep 12 15:50:27 that's for graphics only I see Sep 12 15:50:33 sd card Sep 12 15:50:41 ah too Sep 12 15:50:45 and our sd is really slow Sep 12 15:50:48 ~3Mb/s Sep 12 15:50:53 ah. Sep 12 15:51:00 My current phone works very bad on sd too Sep 12 15:51:21 so, all mp3 decoding is done by the arm? Sep 12 15:51:26 yes Sep 12 15:51:33 and but this is not problem Sep 12 15:51:47 and does the battery long, playing mp3? Sep 12 15:51:52 10% cpu i think or something like this Sep 12 15:52:08 for battery, I mean Sep 12 15:52:28 "Must pass FCC/CE certification " ? Sep 12 15:52:32 i never tried to measure, i am sure ~4hrs Sep 12 15:52:59 without playing mp3, how long? Sep 12 15:53:06 are there troubles on power management? Sep 12 15:53:17 in suspend - 3days Sep 12 15:53:27 I mean being able to receive calls Sep 12 15:53:28 and SMS Sep 12 15:53:39 (I don't know if you call that 'suspend') Sep 12 15:53:40 you able to recieve calls and sms in suspend Sep 12 15:53:47 ok Sep 12 15:53:51 but... this is sometimes buggy :) Sep 12 15:54:02 in qtmoko. may be shr is ok Sep 12 15:54:18 other people may tell this works ok Sep 12 15:54:22 in qtmoko too Sep 12 15:54:53 In fact, I think my current phone has problems sometimes on calls; simply I doubt anyone is considering that 'a bug to solve' Sep 12 15:55:20 And what do you think there are still bugs? :) Sep 12 15:55:27 Lack of development forces? Sep 12 15:55:38 more force would be good Sep 12 15:55:39 Lack of specifications for some failing pieces? Sep 12 15:55:40 for sure Sep 12 15:55:48 (development forces) Sep 12 15:55:52 ok Sep 12 15:55:56 some peices not really good Sep 12 15:56:12 like GSM modem. but may be this is just some bug :) Sep 12 15:56:19 yeah, freaking calypso :/ Sep 12 15:56:24 is the gsm modem oen enough? Sep 12 15:56:26 open enough? Sep 12 15:56:30 no Sep 12 15:56:47 or glamo, which is far from ideal too. but it is also possible this is fixable Sep 12 15:56:49 how about the bluetooth? Sep 12 15:56:58 bluetooth is ok i think Sep 12 15:57:07 GNUtoo|laptop: dunno about your mplayer problem... that is for n900, right? Sep 12 15:57:20 mrmoku, yes dos11 told me to fix it Sep 12 15:57:38 mrmoku, it's for armv7 rather Sep 12 15:57:40 viric: shr guys are actively developing shr for other phones now Sep 12 15:57:58 libvo/vo_omapfb.c:559:12: error: conflicting types for 'control' Sep 12 15:58:13 About the software of the menus, contacts, sms, ... is that developed in the distributions specifically? or it is some upstream common thing Sep 12 15:58:16 ? Sep 12 15:58:27 gena2x: we won't drop the FR though... Sep 12 15:58:39 viric: not common Sep 12 15:58:51 viric: no. every distro has own. Sep 12 15:58:54 some phones like what? May those be anything I'd like? They should be some quite open phones I imagine. Sep 12 15:59:12 viric: all anti-vendor ports Sep 12 15:59:17 ok Sep 12 15:59:23 viric: N900, HTC Dream and PalmPre are the candidates Sep 12 15:59:41 I don't want to go anti-vendor... I just don't want to buy to them :) Sep 12 15:59:41 viric: but this is only shr :) Sep 12 15:59:44 ok Sep 12 16:00:04 I'm getting quite convinced of buying a FR... Sep 12 16:00:12 How much soldering I'll need to do? :) Sep 12 16:00:25 Ah, another thing... Sep 12 16:00:33 How big is the amount of python in those SHR / OpenMoko? Sep 12 16:00:33 so, basically if you want to do some developemt and exploration, FR is nice toy Sep 12 16:00:59 viric: now they switched to vala. qtmoko is C++. android... i don't know Sep 12 16:01:09 shr switched to vala? Sep 12 16:01:49 DocScrutinizer: do you have a link to a 'the ultimate N900 dual booting guide'? searching on maemo brings me lots of talk but nothing usefull... Sep 12 16:01:54 shr has fso as basic middleware to handle calls and power managment and much other things Sep 12 16:01:57 viric: FSO switched to vala Sep 12 16:02:07 viric: freesmartphone.org Sep 12 16:02:18 and fso were written in python Sep 12 16:02:21 nothing else Sep 12 16:02:28 now, it switched to vala Sep 12 16:02:31 mrmoku: not really, seems the fso page was linking to something Sep 12 16:02:44 DocScrutinizer: ahh, ok, will look there, thanks Sep 12 16:02:47 lemme get you another ancient link I bookmarked Sep 12 16:03:05 but in debian old fso is used and it still python Sep 12 16:03:23 qtmoko has it's own phone stack (C++) Sep 12 16:03:46 DocScrutinizer: hehe... nice :) http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware/N900/Installation Sep 12 16:03:54 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372885&postcount=22 Sep 12 16:03:55 I'd like to avoid python :) Sep 12 16:04:05 viric: so, no pythod now Sep 12 16:04:06 maybe not on topic Sep 12 16:04:08 I accept any C++, and I imagine I can accept vala. Sep 12 16:04:20 forget about it Sep 12 16:04:23 hi, how hard would be to hack the wikireader calc into a forth repl? I'm new to forth Sep 12 16:04:36 but fso still uses dbus as only interface :) Sep 12 16:04:41 ouch. Sep 12 16:04:43 :) Sep 12 16:04:43 mrmoku: indeed Sep 12 16:04:56 ~hail dos11 Sep 12 16:04:57 * apt bows down to dos11 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Sep 12 16:05:26 but again, qt stack is not based on dbus Sep 12 16:05:34 ok ok Sep 12 16:08:06 so, for the software, I'm not very afraid. I wonder if I'd like a phone without keyboard... Sep 12 16:08:24 There is no free phone with keyboard planned to be released soon I imagine Sep 12 16:08:38 Some advices for those booting non-Maemo systems: Get a watchdog kicker very early in the process - this isn't handled magically for you by DSME like on 770, N8x0. It is a standard Linux watchdog interface. There's R&D flags to disable watchdogs. Sep 12 16:08:51 gena2x: for Antenna... is all fine? Sep 12 16:09:12 no troubles on the radio part? Sep 12 16:09:18 yes, signals are ok. Sep 12 16:09:26 viric: GSM antenna? is *super* on FR Sep 12 16:09:52 ok Sep 12 16:10:05 so, all looks good. Sep 12 16:10:09 all signals (GPS, GSM, wifi, bluetooth) are quite ok Sep 12 16:10:22 I'll ask the distributor whether he has A7, and how much he wants for it. Sep 12 16:10:32 basically TPE EE never knew how to compromise on antennae, so this was what killed gta03 in the end (among other things) Sep 12 16:10:47 viric: you should be sure you have #1024 and buzz-fix Sep 12 16:10:48 TPE EE? Sep 12 16:11:00 taipei electro engineers Sep 12 16:11:05 gena2x: I thought #1024 was a software trouble Sep 12 16:11:27 viric: no, without 1024 you suspend time will be freatly decreased Sep 12 16:11:48 what? s/freatly/signlificantly/ Sep 12 16:11:49 ok Sep 12 16:12:17 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/1024 Sep 12 16:12:42 I'm a bit worried on "GSM antenna is super" and "Must pass FCC/CE certification" (Says the package specification). Does it mean it did not pass the CE specification? Sep 12 16:13:32 i thought it's impossible to sell uncertified devices Sep 12 16:13:48 I also thought so Sep 12 16:14:00 maybe you want to study http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues and keep in mind the history of that wiki page Sep 12 16:14:46 FR is certified by all global authorities Sep 12 16:15:05 ok Sep 12 16:15:07 viric: do not study this. it is all already fixed Sep 12 16:15:16 :) Sep 12 16:15:32 "Must pass FCC/CE certification" sounds like typical .cz speak to me Sep 12 16:16:42 gena2x: it's all marked as (FIXED) :-) Sep 12 16:16:55 DocScrutinizer: i am afraid not Sep 12 16:17:29 Ok, so, it does not sound any bad about the FR. Sep 12 16:17:39 thank you for your time Sep 12 16:17:47 I'll think on what to buy. Sep 12 16:18:04 First I'll try to break my current phone by a bit of soldering :) Sep 12 16:18:42 viric: don't break your current phone. it may help you with freerunner :) Sep 12 16:18:46 viric: i got n900, but i'm still using FR as daily phone (i have no sim in n900) Sep 12 16:19:08 if you're linux geek and you're not afraid of fixing something when it breaks, FR is for you :) Sep 12 16:19:08 dos1: BRAVE GUY :-D Sep 12 16:21:00 viric: and, you know, FR is possibly the only phone where you get official schematics, official hw fix recommendations and papers, and can talk and bitch to the one EE that actually didn't cause any of the annoying bugs in hw :-P Sep 12 16:21:02 DocScrutinizer: but when it comes to using gameboy or amiga emulator on boring school lessions, N900 beats FR ;) Sep 12 16:21:34 hehe Sep 12 16:22:34 ehh. qemu-x86 is not working for some reason... Sep 12 16:23:04 dos1: you'd be amazed, OMAP beats SAMSUNG S3 hands down, when it comes to standby time and resonce latency Sep 12 16:24:13 of course, cpu on fr is very old. Sep 12 16:24:24 DocScrutinizer: yup, but i'll check that when GSM will work on SHR@N900 :D Sep 12 16:24:45 like 'online via wlan for 24h now, xchat on 8chan. battery at 65%' Sep 12 16:25:28 plus(!) running a script that logs battery state evry 30s Sep 12 16:25:49 DocScrutinizer: i got used to connecting FR to my laptop every day when i return to home, even if it doesn't really need that ;) Sep 12 16:25:57 sounds good. omap is of course nice feature Sep 12 16:26:04 esyes Sep 12 16:26:49 but really, i got same custom - just connect it then you came home Sep 12 16:28:43 me as well - usally. it's sitting there (just now now as I'm typing on it) for mere testing purposes. Usually gets connected to charger as soon as I come home, much like FR did Sep 12 16:29:13 s/now now/not now/ Sep 12 16:29:14 DocScrutinizer51 meant: me as well - usally. it's sitting there (just not now as I'm typing on it) for mere testing purposes. Usually gets connected to charger as soon as I come home, much like FR did Sep 12 16:30:47 might want to finish that test now, as tonight I don't want it to go down on flat bat, when I'm out Sep 12 16:31:44 and of course irc via GPRS eats battery like there's no tomorrow Sep 12 16:32:27 :) Sep 12 17:15:19 dos1: hmm... it tells me my SD is unsupported :/ Sep 12 17:15:31 mrmoku: maemo? Sep 12 17:15:41 mrmoku: don't worry - GUI supports only FAT :P Sep 12 17:16:01 i'll add it to guide Sep 12 17:17:35 dos1: ahh ok :-) Sep 12 17:28:21 dos1: if you update your really nice guide... add a 'mkdir /media/mmc1/lib/firmware' too maybe Sep 12 17:28:33 at least for me it does not yet exist Sep 12 17:28:54 or better still... change it to 'cp -a /lib/firmware /media/mmc1/lib' Sep 12 17:33:04 mrmoku: i wrote guide from memory, after installing shr on device, so it can be not very accurate ;) Sep 12 17:33:08 but thanks, i'll add it Sep 12 17:35:46 multipartition uSD works fine on maemo though Sep 12 17:36:13 at least for me, where first partition is VFAT, 2nd is SHR, and 3rd is swap Sep 12 17:37:01 dunno about booting a system from uSD though Sep 12 17:37:31 (2nd SHR) of course the 'old' FR SHR partition Sep 12 17:37:37 dos1: hmm... bootmenu does not pop up Sep 12 17:38:03 DocScrutinizer: on boot maemo complained about mine... which has three ext3 partitions Sep 12 17:38:09 maybe the first one needs to be vfat? Sep 12 17:38:15 yep Sep 12 17:39:02 and also ext3 or anything else other than VFAT isn't automounted on maemo Sep 12 17:39:19 mrmoku: after installing bootmenu-n900 and rebooting with keyboard slided out? Sep 12 17:39:26 dos1: yep Sep 12 17:39:32 mrmoku: you have to unplug usb cable too Sep 12 17:39:34 well... bootmenu-n900... dunno Sep 12 17:39:36 ahh Sep 12 17:39:43 * mrmoku reboots Sep 12 17:39:51 duh, thanks for that clue Sep 12 17:40:17 dos1: is r&d mode needed after installation? Sep 12 17:40:24 yep Sep 12 17:40:33 it disables hw-watchdogs Sep 12 17:40:47 mrmoku: yup, until you configure watchdogs properly in SHR ;) Sep 12 17:40:49 you'll need the above mentioned wd-kicker Sep 12 17:41:14 [2010-09-12 18:04:49] Some advices for those booting non-Maemo systems: Get a watchdog kicker very early in the process - this isn't handled magically for you by DSME like on 770, N8x0. It is a standard Linux watchdog interface. There's R&D flags to disable watchdogs. Sep 12 17:42:47 there's a sysnode somewhere to switch off the annoying bat-consuming kbd flickering in R&D mode Sep 12 17:43:04 DocScrutinizer: but watchdogs can be disabled without r&d mode,no? Sep 12 17:43:13 (or switch it on while not in R&D :-P ) Sep 12 17:43:43 hi, is it just OK to supply some packages for SHR users in *.deb format? Sep 12 17:43:45 dos1, I'll fix xorg.conf after mplayer if I ever succeed Sep 12 17:43:55 opkg can handle it, so what do you think? Sep 12 17:44:01 mrmoku: nope, a wd once triggered (and that's done in NOLO if not in R&D afaik) can not be disabled, aiui Sep 12 17:44:42 DocScrutinizer: I mean flasher-3.5 has an option to disable the watchdogs... does not work without r&d? Sep 12 17:44:47 mrmoku: that's why stskeeps' recommendations is to have a wd-kicker early in boot, to keep the hw watchdogs happy Sep 12 17:44:57 mrmoku: exactly Sep 12 17:45:03 dos1: still no boot menu Sep 12 17:45:09 dos1: where did you get your's from? Sep 12 17:45:20 aiui it is a flag to set specifics of R&D Sep 12 17:45:30 DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks for enlightening me :) Sep 12 17:45:40 yw Sep 12 17:45:42 mrmoku: i installed bootmenu-n900 with maemo installer Sep 12 17:45:50 mrmoku: maybe you need to enable extras repositories? Sep 12 17:45:52 dos1: I did not find it there Sep 12 17:45:55 yeah, where? Sep 12 17:46:07 appmanager, menu, catalogs Sep 12 17:46:08 * mrmoku took the one from DocScrutinizer's link Sep 12 17:46:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode Sep 12 17:46:58 mrmoku: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Sep 12 17:47:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing Sep 12 17:47:32 or what dos1 said :-D Sep 12 17:47:41 i have both ;) Sep 12 17:48:45 mrmoku: btw. that's "fremantle", not "freemantle" - it took me a while until i figured out why it shows 404 to me :D Sep 12 17:49:27 dos1: ouch :P Sep 12 17:50:53 brb Sep 12 17:57:20 mrmoku, lol I made the same error Sep 12 17:57:38 lol we're freedom people so we misstyped.... Sep 12 17:58:46 :D Sep 12 17:59:10 if you want to disable that keyboard lights: Sep 12 17:59:39 edit /etc/pmconfig under Maemo and change "sleep_ind 1" to "sleep_ind 0" ;) Sep 12 18:11:08 err what? Sep 12 18:11:24 what kbd_lights is that? Sep 12 18:11:51 does n900 kernel use normal /dev/watchdog interface? Sep 12 18:11:59 aiui yes Sep 12 18:12:30 IroN900:~# ll /dev/w* Sep 12 18:12:32 crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 130 1970-01-01 02:00 /dev/watchdog Sep 12 18:12:48 DocScrutinizer: those blinking keyboard lights on R&D Sep 12 18:13:05 DocScrutinizer: after setting that they behave just like without R&D mode Sep 12 18:13:16 ooh, I see. Well there should also be some /sys/foo/bar to echo 0 > Sep 12 18:13:59 probably yes, that node will be usable later, when booting our own kernel Sep 12 18:14:08 which throws the hw-switch to turn them off Sep 12 18:14:36 alas I can't find it anymore :-/ Sep 12 18:38:09 dos1, I'll keep you informed for mplayer Sep 12 18:38:27 (I never knows if there will be another error furthurer) Sep 12 18:39:50 nice it compiled....I'll make a patch and push Sep 12 18:45:48 GNUtoo|laptop: any hint on touchscreen being inverted (top/down) ? Sep 12 18:46:09 mrmoku, I already told the hint to dos1 Sep 12 18:46:09 mrmoku: calibrate Sep 12 18:46:11 I'll look Sep 12 18:46:20 mrmoku, no you can invertY Sep 12 18:46:26 look in evdev options Sep 12 18:46:34 + add calibtation data in xorg Sep 12 18:46:42 mrmoku: didn't calibration came at first boot? Sep 12 18:46:46 dos1: no Sep 12 18:46:56 the language selection is the first thing Sep 12 18:47:01 and I can't press next :P Sep 12 18:47:26 mrmoku: did you install libstdc++6? (there is now bug in OE and that package is not pulled into images) Sep 12 18:47:30 yep Sep 12 18:47:42 I followed your wonderfull guide :) Sep 12 18:47:47 mrmoku: strange Sep 12 18:47:56 btw. bootmenu-n900 is not installable Sep 12 18:48:02 so do what GNUtoo|laptop says :D Sep 12 18:48:06 says something about 3rd party policy Sep 12 18:48:15 I installed bootmenu instead... that worked Sep 12 18:48:27 mrmoku: hmm? just click "accept" and "next" :P Sep 12 18:48:58 hmm... did not see any accept Sep 12 18:49:10 maybe another option to that package thing to turn on? Sep 12 18:49:14 strange Sep 12 18:49:38 i have checkbox under text about package being 3rd party Sep 12 18:50:03 * mrmoku reboots to do what GNUtoo|laptop suggests Sep 12 18:50:11 or... is there a tab key on the keyboard? Sep 12 18:50:29 unfortunately no :( Sep 12 18:50:37 :( Sep 12 18:50:47 ok ripping battery then :P Sep 12 18:51:53 mrmoku: i have "I read and accept" checkbox in installer after selecting package (in polish, so english text can be slightly different) Sep 12 18:52:08 and two buttons: "Details" and "Continue" Sep 12 18:52:26 and "Continue" is disabled until i turn checkbox on Sep 12 18:52:34 hmm... strange Sep 12 18:53:02 mrmoku: oh... maybe you haven't upgrade your maemo to PR1.2? Sep 12 18:53:47 mrmoku: (but before you'll do that eventualy, read this: http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription) Sep 12 18:54:03 ohh Sep 12 18:54:04 ok Sep 12 18:55:56 mrmoku: but you say that "bootmenu" works, yes? Sep 12 18:57:08 GNUtoo|laptop: waiting for your mplayer patch to start build :) Sep 12 18:57:30 dos1, ok, I'm half-eating Sep 12 18:57:46 (waiting for the food to be baken) Sep 12 18:57:59 in another hand Sep 12 18:58:04 dos1: yep, I had an 'Install bootmenu' entry on the desktop Sep 12 18:58:11 you're waiting for stuff because you want it bitbaken Sep 12 18:58:23 ps: use multiboot as bootloader Sep 12 18:58:26 after adding the file to bootmenu.d shr appeared in the menu Sep 12 18:58:30 phone ringing Sep 12 18:58:47 dos1: the file had to be called shr.item though (instead of shr.ext3) Sep 12 18:58:51 strange it rang only once Sep 12 18:59:30 mrmoku: with bootmenu-n900, installation was enough Sep 12 19:00:00 mrmoku: probably just matter of your maemo being not upgraded Sep 12 19:00:23 dos1, try multiboot Sep 12 19:00:30 GNUtoo|laptop: i will Sep 12 19:00:32 bootmenu-n900 can't boot another kernel Sep 12 19:00:35 bbs Sep 12 19:00:40 sorry for the delay for the patch Sep 12 19:00:47 but I must go,be back very soon Sep 12 19:00:52 less than 15min Sep 12 19:02:51 ok Sep 12 19:03:55 just in case you'd like to have some ultraterse instructions / lines to c&p, for maemo: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Sep 12 19:04:43 nothing brillinat, just a postit memo type of unsorted crap Sep 12 19:12:12 I'll eat bbs Sep 12 19:12:58 GNUtoo|laptop: InvertY worked :) Sep 12 19:13:16 though calibration is needed anyway... can't reach the topbar now :P Sep 12 19:16:23 0xFFFF says: "usb_claim_interface: Device or resource busy" :( Sep 12 19:17:36 dos1: use usb_get_driver_np() to figure out what is using it Sep 12 19:32:52 mrmoku, nice Sep 12 19:33:06 dos1, try hg version + 0xFFFF -i Sep 12 19:36:45 dos1, also I bet it should be ran as root Sep 12 19:37:58 GNUtoo|laptop: yup, used root; i'll try hg version Sep 12 19:52:16 dos1: hmm... next problem :P Sep 12 19:52:25 special chars don't work Sep 12 19:52:34 how to type g_nokia ? :P Sep 12 19:54:17 mrmoku, or use the software keyboard Sep 12 19:54:20 or make a script Sep 12 19:54:23 and do: Sep 12 19:54:25 sh g.sh Sep 12 19:54:43 :P Sep 12 19:54:52 can't use the software keyboard as I can't enable it Sep 12 19:54:54 mrmoku, or fix it: Sep 12 19:54:57 can't reach the top bar Sep 12 19:55:12 * mrmoku wants to fix :) Sep 12 19:55:25 echo "export GTK_IM_MODULE=xim" > /etc/profile.d/gtk-xim.sh Sep 12 19:55:34 chmod +x /etc/profile.d/gtk-xim.sh Sep 12 19:55:47 then we have to add that to oe Sep 12 19:55:53 but only for keyboard machines Sep 12 19:55:58 ahh... that works with e too? Sep 12 19:55:58 feature Sep 12 19:56:06 indeed that works with e Sep 12 19:56:08 try Sep 12 19:56:10 great Sep 12 19:56:15 or rather Sep 12 19:56:16 * mrmoku rips battery again :/ Sep 12 19:56:20 e doesn't need that fix Sep 12 19:56:26 e uses xim Sep 12 19:56:31 ahh, right vala terminal is gtk... Sep 12 19:56:35 indeed Sep 12 19:56:36 ok, thanks Sep 12 19:56:54 I'll push mplayer soon Sep 12 19:57:02 I'm working on it(waiting for parsing) Sep 12 19:57:08 mrmoku: xinput_calibrator_once.sh Sep 12 19:57:26 dos1: I need _ for that too ;) Sep 12 19:57:47 GNUtoo|laptop: there is option in e config to export GTK an QT IM modules Sep 12 19:58:02 i think we should use it :) Sep 12 19:58:06 dos1, I don't know,ask #e Sep 12 19:58:34 do it for all keyboard machines if you do it Sep 12 19:58:40 so htcdream get the fix too Sep 12 19:58:50 it's in MACHINE_FEATURES Sep 12 19:58:54 in the machine conf Sep 12 20:00:31 is fsogsmd re-broken? Sep 12 20:00:46 | Making all in nokia_n900 Sep 12 20:00:52 | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop. Sep 12 20:01:37 * GNUtoo|laptop pulls Sep 12 20:04:48 hmmm Sep 12 20:04:56 oh Sep 12 20:12:29 dos1: even after calibration I can't reach the topbar :/ Sep 12 20:12:51 mrmoku: hmm... maybe try again, here it works Sep 12 20:14:17 dos1: x restart needed? Sep 12 20:15:24 even then... Sep 12 20:15:55 mrmoku, increase the topbar's size? Sep 12 20:16:00 mrmoku: try reaching settings with stylus and change scaling to make buttons bigger :) Sep 12 20:16:04 or re-calibrate Sep 12 20:16:10 scaling is ugly Sep 12 20:16:17 patch and change the topbar's size Sep 12 20:16:29 because everithing would be huge with scalling Sep 12 20:16:44 GNUtoo|laptop: it depends on if he has correct scalling now :P Sep 12 20:16:49 also: Sep 12 20:16:57 *increase gtkrc's font size Sep 12 20:17:07 *add -fs 20 to vala-terminal Sep 12 20:17:17 everything is very small Sep 12 20:17:22 indeed Sep 12 20:17:40 hmm Sep 12 20:17:45 ah Sep 12 20:17:48 DPI Sep 12 20:17:49 but having a correct top-bar with scaling forces too much scalling Sep 12 20:17:54 dos1: xorg.conf? Sep 12 20:17:58 no Sep 12 20:17:58 err Sep 12 20:18:02 xserver-common Sep 12 20:18:11 i'll give you correct file Sep 12 20:18:14 Xserver Sep 12 20:18:15 btw what should I do for my #oe mplayer error? Sep 12 20:18:16 forgot about it :x Sep 12 20:18:21 no Sep 12 20:18:37 xserver-common, yeah Sep 12 20:19:08 mrmoku: and i have quest for you, as JaMa is still away - push it somehow to OE, i couldn't find a way :D Sep 12 20:19:10 btw it could be a good idea to documents some of the tweaks Sep 12 20:19:15 for other people/distros/machines Sep 12 20:19:48 GNUtoo|laptop: no need for messing with scaling and topbar size, settings correct DPI is enough Sep 12 20:19:57 ok Sep 12 20:19:58 nice Sep 12 20:20:03 I should do that for dream too Sep 12 20:20:18 * GNUtoo|laptop wants to commit mplayer Sep 12 20:20:23 dos1: ok, though I need some sleep first... still freaking tired Sep 12 20:20:28 but he has a compilation failure Sep 12 20:20:32 dos1: will start my quest tomorrow :) Sep 12 20:20:49 dos1: maybe just send the correct file to me or shr-devel Sep 12 20:21:02 and thank you both for the good work Sep 12 20:21:17 dos1, you've got no oe commit access? Sep 12 20:21:17 gnight all Sep 12 20:21:28 * mrmoku thinnks he should finally apply ;) Sep 12 20:21:29 mrmoku: i'm booting my SHR to get that file from it :P Sep 12 20:21:30 I've commit access but I must fix mplayer Sep 12 20:21:43 mrmoku: good night Sep 12 20:22:03 mrmoku, GNUood night Sep 12 20:22:13 aka gnite Sep 12 20:22:22 GNUtoo|laptop: no, i don't have... Sep 12 20:22:23 *gnight Sep 12 20:22:26 ok Sep 12 20:22:34 maybe I can push for you if it's quick Sep 12 20:22:55 GNUtoo|laptop: btw. for me fsogsmd compiles Sep 12 20:23:05 maybe try cleaning it? Sep 12 20:23:13 dos1, ok I'll try later, first mplayer Sep 12 20:24:22 mrmoku|away, GNUtoo|laptop: http://dos.openmoko.pl/xserver-common Sep 12 20:25:01 ok Sep 12 20:25:04 I'll try it Sep 12 20:25:22 but mplayer first Sep 12 21:22:05 freesmartphone.org: 03GNUtoo 07cornucopia * rad7ea908123b 10/fsogsmd/configure.ac: (log message trimmed) Sep 12 21:22:05 freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: configuration: add nokia n900 entry in configure.ac Sep 12 21:22:05 freesmartphone.org: If the entry is absent it produce the following issue at compilation: Sep 12 21:22:05 freesmartphone.org: | Making all in nokia_n900 Sep 12 21:22:05 freesmartphone.org: | make[3]: Entering directory `/home/gnutoo/embedded/oe/oetmps/nokia900/work/armv7a-oe-linux-gnueabi/fsogsmd-1_0.5.0+gitr4+bf0fd1adf336cfd2a9fac8480e09633106f55196-r2.4/git/fsogsmd/conf/nokia_n900' Sep 12 21:28:32 oooh Sep 12 21:28:54 right :/ Sep 12 21:33:49 ah, i copied ready Makefile too, that's why it worked to me... Sep 12 22:00:59 mrmoku|away, tomorrow i will post to the ML the recipe for libfreesmartphone-glib, my new lib Sep 12 22:01:09 you have write access to OE don't you? Sep 12 22:03:14 hey dos1|N900! Sep 12 22:04:05 can you tell me how i can generate the *.fbz and *.ppm images from the png's? Sep 12 22:04:29 i have 480x320 images ready for palmpre and htcdream Sep 12 22:04:36 Slyon, convert from imagemagick might be work Sep 12 22:04:39 well, pngs are ready Sep 12 22:04:59 freesmartphone.org: 03daniele.athome 07libfreesmartphone-glib * r266252293559 10/ (COPYING libfreesmartphone-glib_git.bb): Sep 12 22:04:59 freesmartphone.org: License changed to LGPL-3 Sep 12 22:04:59 freesmartphone.org: OE recipe draft Sep 12 22:04:59 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Daniele Ricci Sep 12 22:07:56 Slyon: ppm - with gimp Sep 12 22:09:15 Slyon: fbz - display on device screen and "cat /dev/fb0 > file.fb; bzip2 file.fb" Sep 12 22:10:17 dos1|N900, thanks! Sep 12 22:18:31 dos1|N900, shouldn't matter if i'm doing it using webos, right? Sep 12 22:56:22 Slyon: yep, it shouldn't Sep 12 22:56:58 dos1|N900, okay. Patch for palmpre is ready but to big for ML Sep 12 22:57:06 will send a link to the patch Sep 12 22:57:30 can i use the same framebuffer file for htcdream aswell? its the same resolution Sep 12 23:05:26 okay patches for shr and oe are in shr-dev ML. If it doesn't matter if *.fbz file is generated on the htcdream, but only on the resolution i can send a patch for it tomorrow. Sep 12 23:05:28 will go to bed now Sep 12 23:05:31 night! Sep 13 00:12:01 PaulF, testing 1 2 3 Sep 13 00:14:22 * trev2 hugs PaulF holding a rotten trout **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 13 02:59:57 2010