**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 06 02:59:57 2010 Nov 06 03:41:52 [Rui], thanks, will take a look later. Nov 06 03:42:03 quarter to 6 am here. Nov 06 03:42:04 ciao. Nov 06 11:33:30 hey, can anyone stop that spammer at tracker? Nov 06 11:34:47 it's even absolutely unclean which link they advertise Nov 06 11:35:24 just something related to work Nov 06 11:46:55 morning! Nov 06 11:52:19 lindi-: PaulFertser : DocScrutinizer: anyone with rights on trac? some spammer is very active. Nov 06 11:52:58 ohshit. ping roh Nov 06 11:53:44 dunno who got more than mere user rights on trac Nov 06 11:54:26 afaik it's a tedious task even with root access to clean trac Nov 06 11:55:24 bitbake vlc =>NoProvider . /me ??? Nov 06 12:02:22 DocScrutinizer51: :((. hope someone will respond. i can help, if it is possible and someone give me such rights. Nov 06 12:02:57 contact roh and/or gismo Nov 06 12:06:53 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ admin trac: https://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/newticket Nov 06 12:09:41 mickeyl: PING Nov 06 12:09:46 mickeyl: ALERT Nov 06 12:10:52 gena2x: i was going to ask the same thing Nov 06 12:12:03 I pinged roh on IRC. But admin-trac might be better Nov 06 12:12:53 also admin-trac is *the* way to ask for perm escalation Nov 06 12:13:14 DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks for info! Nov 06 12:13:19 np Nov 06 12:14:15 you also can try to contact mickeyl - he *is* OM Nov 06 12:14:26 DocScrutinizer: heh Nov 06 12:14:44 where's the spam btw? Nov 06 12:14:49 hi btw Nov 06 12:15:08 GNUtoo|laptop: in my mailbox, see they adding 1 comment to each ticket Nov 06 12:15:15 ah ok Nov 06 12:15:29 GNUtoo|laptop: near 100 tickets already 'processed' Nov 06 12:15:30 oh fuck Nov 06 12:16:00 this is some context-search-engine type spam Nov 06 12:16:11 even unclean which site is advertised... Nov 06 12:16:31 bash roh, he needs to implement some sort of throttling and spamasassin alike filters to trac Nov 06 12:17:00 can't be that hard Nov 06 12:18:19 there is already a module for that Nov 06 12:18:22 the spam loads some images Nov 06 12:18:24 strange Nov 06 12:18:35 bbl Nov 06 12:19:35 https://monitor.openmoko.org/munin/agni/docs.openmoko.org-exim_mailstats.html :-/ Nov 06 12:22:41 I got no root access on agni afaik Nov 06 12:23:47 so if that's really ultraurgent I can try to give central services a phonecall Nov 06 12:24:19 DocScrutinizer: I think I have several admin-trac requests that have gone unanswerer forever :) Nov 06 12:24:21 but I guess that guy already finished Nov 06 12:24:23 sorry guys, since the great revamp from bugzilla to trac i no longer have admin rights Nov 06 12:24:52 mickeyl: suboptimal Nov 06 12:25:03 indeed Nov 06 12:25:08 mickeyl: kick some asses Nov 06 12:25:11 heh Nov 06 12:25:56 I remarked several times that's no sane situation there's nobody to administrate that shit when Roh is high :-P Nov 06 12:26:28 <[Rui]> I offered to help, but had no answer Nov 06 12:26:42 DocScrutinizer: no, hi didn't finished. i bet he has no plans to finish Nov 06 12:27:03 mickeyl: you got Roh's phone#? Nov 06 12:27:13 or gismo's? Nov 06 12:28:05 neither Nov 06 12:28:40 mompl, you can send a SMS I guess - lemme pick that number Nov 06 12:36:21 ok, alerted him via jabber Nov 06 12:37:15 * DocScrutinizer glares at his inbox Nov 06 12:37:48 FFS Nov 06 12:38:54 102 Nov 06 12:39:10 darn Nov 06 12:41:00 what a fuckin idiot, didn't he realize he's tagging a giant SPAM sticker on his generated mails, by attaching this shit to 102 tickets and everybody gets 102 identical spam mails Nov 06 12:41:31 * DocScrutinizer starts weeping about all the idiots in the world Nov 06 12:43:19 please do Nov 06 12:43:29 i'm afraid that'll keep you busy for a dozen of lifetimes though :D Nov 06 12:47:24 DocScrutinizer: i think this spam is for search engines Nov 06 12:47:45 aah Nov 06 12:47:48 great Nov 06 12:48:18 DocScrutinizer: they spread much of such mails and search engines think that the site is 'referenced' by many popular sites in internet Nov 06 12:48:30 s/mails/ads/ Nov 06 12:48:30 gena2x meant: DocScrutinizer: they spread much of such ads and search engines think that the site is 'referenced' by many popular sites in internet Nov 06 12:48:40 yep Nov 06 12:49:51 so, it is mentioned amoung 'sourcesforge' and etc and contans no human-readable ads, just keywords Nov 06 12:50:10 it's in russian and keyword mostly 'job' Nov 06 12:51:31 so it's even almost impossible to find spammers 'client', call him and try to tell that such 'methods' are not really great. Nov 06 12:53:04 tell google to rate that site down to hell, that'd teach them Nov 06 12:54:56 as long as google doesn't 100% follow this scheme, there's also no risk of somebody rating down a competing site like that Nov 06 12:55:49 if chances are 75% to go to oblivion in google, they would rethink Nov 06 12:56:48 if chances were 100% it would get used just to rate down competitors Nov 06 12:59:02 I heard in Russia you can hire a killer for 500$. How much can it cost to beat up those idiots Nov 06 13:16:52 DocScrutinizer: heh Nov 06 13:17:08 DocScrutinizer: problem is as far as i know where is no anti-spam law in Russia Nov 06 13:19:19 DocScrutinizer: so, then i talk once with head of some small business trying to convience him to avoid such 'methods', i failed in fact because of simple argiment 'my competitor is using in and he is in google on nth place, i am on (n+100) place. what you suggesting? loosing money? no, i have to do it' Nov 06 13:20:21 DocScrutinizer: of cource i told him, man, are you dealing drugs? no? why? profit with drugs is much higher. but still, he is too reasonable Nov 06 13:21:10 DocScrutinizer: but funny ebought, _first_ Russian spammer were really killed. Nov 06 13:22:39 DocScrutinizer: but of course, i don't know the ways to hire killers... Nov 06 13:28:43 just replace his spamming by links all pointing to a site where you can donate for anybody claiming he made the site go down permanently :-P Nov 06 13:30:45 triple effect, ranking of original site in google goes down, original site owner might come to think, and maybe somebody will think "duh, that's easy money" Nov 06 13:33:26 kill-a-spammers-site-today.org/ Nov 06 13:34:09 I should register the domain and open a paypal account today :-P Nov 06 13:34:54 * mickeyl wonders why parcels from shanghai first move to korea, then to kasachstan, then to frankfurt Nov 06 13:35:04 LOL Nov 06 13:35:13 very strange Nov 06 13:35:20 and look at that: Nov 06 13:35:28 INCHEON, KR 05/11/2010 15:20 A FLIGHT DELAY OCCURRED BECAUSE OF MECHANICAL REASONS Nov 06 13:35:30 wtf? Nov 06 13:35:32 mechanical reasons Nov 06 13:35:39 why do i care ... Nov 06 13:35:51 doesn't make me feel better to know why the damn aircraft is broken Nov 06 13:35:52 heh Nov 06 13:36:07 hehehe Nov 06 13:38:10 waiting for some nice gadget? Nov 06 13:38:50 IMO yes, may not be everyone's ;) Nov 06 13:38:57 * mickeyl expecting a MacBookAir 11.6" Nov 06 13:39:08 something to replace my trusted X60s Nov 06 13:39:14 o.O from Shanghai? Nov 06 13:39:16 yes Nov 06 13:39:25 customized Nov 06 13:39:29 they always come from shanghai Nov 06 13:39:36 ooh Nov 06 13:39:43 only the stock options come from the hubs Nov 06 13:40:01 hope they gave you proper keys Nov 06 13:40:06 hehe, yeah Nov 06 13:40:22 so it doesn't look like my eeePC from Taipei Nov 06 13:40:51 got chinese keys? Nov 06 13:40:57 :-/ Nov 06 13:41:13 sure, Huawai with a SIM Nov 06 13:41:49 round the corner at Chili's Nov 06 13:42:54 ah Nov 06 13:46:19 did gismo answer? Nov 06 13:48:18 anyway, peak-mail is thru, so I guess no reason to rush Nov 06 13:49:07 yeah, he removed the account and is now working on removing the tickets Nov 06 13:53:29 some sort of sql command shoule really exist to 'remove user and all his tickets' Nov 06 14:08:45 mickeyl: can you customize it to have a trackpoint? :P Nov 06 14:08:55 heyho Nov 06 14:08:58 hehe Nov 06 14:09:02 unfortunately not Nov 06 14:09:06 which is a disadvantage Nov 06 14:09:08 :) Nov 06 14:09:24 yeah :/ Nov 06 14:09:47 still, given that i do more and more work on MacOS these days, i need something portable. and my MBP15 is _not_ Nov 06 14:11:06 hehe, ok Nov 06 14:22:48 how's trac? Nov 06 14:23:12 gena2x: ^^? Nov 06 14:23:31 seems Roh has some such cmd Nov 06 14:28:43 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r3178a7d41a6f 10/opimd-messages: opimd-messages: initial support of many phone numbers Nov 06 14:28:45 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r2ae672d1634b 10/ (opimd-config opimd-messages opimd-notifier setup.py): Merge branch 'master' of git.shr-project.org:opimd-utils Nov 06 14:28:47 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r96732165aa54 10/opimd-contacts: opimd-contacts: initial support of Photo fields Nov 06 14:33:05 gena2x: can you please check of trac is ok? Nov 06 14:33:18 or somebody else Nov 06 14:33:49 I have not a single ticket# to check - deleted all those mails Nov 06 14:34:25 DocScrutinizer: what do you mean by ok? Nov 06 14:34:26 DocScrutinizer: checking Nov 06 14:36:13 DocScrutinizer: seem all deleted, all were new tickers Nov 06 14:36:21 k Nov 06 14:47:05 SHR: 03seba.dos1 07opimd-utils * r328f87b80e8b 10/ (opimd-messages opimd-notifier): messages, notifier: fixes for MessageRead/Sent => New transition Nov 06 14:48:34 gena2x: DocScrutinizer: top bug reporters: http://paste.debian.net/99142/ :) Nov 06 14:51:12 DocScrutinizer: ah, seem it has some links to site hidden over some site. Wrote em letter that such advertisement is not really good idea. Feel like trashed my time :( Nov 06 14:52:14 lindi-: heh, lindi-, thanks for your efforts to bring order into frerunner bugs Nov 06 15:10:45 you talked about spam problem on shr-trac. well, also www.opkg.org is affected by some "spam campaign" :( Nov 06 15:11:33 shr-trac? or om-trac? Nov 06 15:12:08 I dunno, on shr-trac I cannot find any spam Nov 06 15:12:18 it was on om trac Nov 06 15:13:58 okay, but still opkg.org is spammed :( Nov 06 15:14:06 and info@opkg.org is invalid Nov 06 15:47:32 ~spell auxilliary Nov 06 15:47:33 possible spellings for auxilliary: auxiliary axillary maxillary ancillary auxiliaries Nov 06 15:48:44 dos1: ping Nov 06 15:49:07 mickeyl: pong Nov 06 15:49:43 i implemented what we talked about Nov 06 15:49:50 if git.fso would be reachable, i'd commit... Nov 06 15:58:07 it's very easy to use Nov 06 15:58:29 you just need your module to derive from FsoDevice.SignallingInputDevice Nov 06 15:58:40 and then emit the signal when you see fit Nov 06 15:58:51 public signal void receivedEvent( ref Linux.Input.Event ev ); Nov 06 15:59:11 the aggregate input device will then convert your event into dbus signals as per the configuration Nov 06 15:59:58 so basically you 'synthesize' input events from your gpio modules Nov 06 16:01:39 mickey|bbl: nice, thanks! Nov 06 16:02:13 i create a dummy module to test Nov 06 16:02:17 dummy_input Nov 06 16:02:26 this one will emit the escape key every second :) Nov 06 16:02:32 add this to the config: Nov 06 16:02:44 [fsodevice.kernel_input] Nov 06 16:02:45 report001 = ACTION,key,1,0 Nov 06 16:02:46 and Nov 06 16:02:51 [fsodevice.dummy_input] Nov 06 16:02:57 and then you will see the signals via mdbus2 -sl Nov 06 16:16:23 mickey|bbl: oh, there comes another question: how should we name volume up and down buttons in FSO? Nov 06 16:18:54 (i mean config ofc) Nov 06 16:21:10 * Mirv held Openmoko presentation at FSCONS http://fscons.org/ Nov 06 16:21:50 and fooled the audience a bit :) I had my laptop open with a folder with the latex and pdf files of the presentation. then when I actually started I double-clicked "show.sh" Nov 06 16:22:16 instead of opening it on the laptop, it connected over Bluetooth PAN with VNC to my FreeRunner on my neck, which had evince in full screen already running Nov 06 16:27:10 [Rui], OMFG Nov 06 16:27:13 [Rui], I'm flashing.! Nov 06 16:27:27 I found out what's wrong. Nov 06 16:27:33 those freaking idiots assume Nov 06 16:27:38 very small rootfs.tgz's Nov 06 16:27:41 are corrupted Nov 06 16:27:51 and shr is very tight in order to fit on smaller devices Nov 06 16:27:53 ffs. Nov 06 16:28:18 heh Nov 06 16:28:23 funny :P Nov 06 16:28:30 Mirv: 'old but free phone' heh Nov 06 16:28:45 mrmoku, terribly. Nov 06 16:28:49 mrmoku, lets just hope it works. Nov 06 16:29:01 I mean flashing is just the first hurdle. Nov 06 16:29:13 booting is the next tough part Nov 06 16:29:35 and the most difficult part will probably be: making OE to create user accounts and running everything as a user :P Nov 06 16:29:53 ok, finished flashing Nov 06 16:29:57 everyone hold tight. Nov 06 16:33:54 crap, doesn't boot. Nov 06 16:38:57 Mirv: any video? would be interesting to see Nov 06 16:45:24 gena2x: man, you dead not only in header "Tuning an old but free phone", but in abstract too "I like to compare tweaking FreeRunner to fixing an old car - you know it's not the coolest nor fastest four-wheel on the block, but it feels so good to get it going." Nov 06 16:46:20 Mirv: but it would be interesting to watch if any video exist as you see talk about thing i were involved. Nov 06 16:46:41 s/see/seem/ Nov 06 16:46:41 gena2x meant: Mirv: but it would be interesting to watch if any video exist as you seem talk about thing i were involved. Nov 06 17:14:47 gena2x: video will come Nov 06 17:15:55 gena2x: those are the times, 2,5 years is old :) (and of course the fact that the GSM chip is ~5 years old etc) Nov 06 17:16:36 yeah I wonder when people start calling n900 old Nov 06 17:17:00 It is old Nov 06 17:17:21 heh Nov 06 17:17:31 15 months or so? Nov 06 17:17:35 About Nov 06 17:17:46 btw, gpsd just got write support for openmoko: http://sheep.berlios.de/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi/gpsd/commit/?id=88449a3e372b23c6e7 Nov 06 17:18:23 lindi-: it is old, but I still bought one two weeks ago ;) Nov 06 17:19:51 Mirv: is cp too old to be usable every day ;)? Nov 06 17:23:06 actually, too few things are really 'new'. for example idea of open smartphone is new. Nov 06 17:25:14 gena2x: depends, I have been using nokia 9110 for ages Nov 06 17:25:31 gena2x: in fact I migrated from 9110 to openmoko when I bought it :P Nov 06 17:30:34 hmm, I guess now would be a good time to convert all my old darcs repositories to git Nov 06 17:42:25 lindi-: i followed freerunner's development for a while. i never was fan of phones as devices which have tendency to interrupt me from what you doing. had nokia E50 before, didn't really like it due to missing gnu tools and development toolchain for linux, somehow i started to hate things which require me to use 'gcc.exe' in linux. once i saw in news that debian is working on openmoko, so i ignored all 'buzzes', 'slownesses', 'WSODs' in favor of clean Nov 06 17:42:25 linux-oriented and familiar toolchain. and decied that anyway in the end my money will go to improve linux. Nov 06 17:44:26 gena2x: heh :) Nov 06 17:44:43 i never used the 9110 SDK either due to non-free stuff it'd require me to install to PC Nov 06 19:17:48 <[Rui]> TAsn: lol Nov 06 19:17:58 <[Rui]> TAsn: so have that image there so I can try it here? Nov 06 19:18:12 <[Rui]> hi all Nov 06 19:24:20 Good day all , there is a dvb-t usb dongel that works in ubuntu desktop it's driver is in kernel 2.6.34 rc1 , can it be used with FR ? Nov 06 19:26:22 alabd: probably not, it wants usb 2.0 Nov 06 19:26:32 <[Rui]> alabd: it's likely powered, so perhaps not Nov 06 19:26:42 power should not be a problem Nov 06 19:27:09 <[Rui]> lindi-: really? thought it didn't have enough juice to connect devices with a lot of energy needs Nov 06 19:27:32 [Rui]: you can use a hub and extra batteries Nov 06 19:27:34 alabd, someone succedded altough he had to modify the kenrel power Nov 06 19:27:38 s/power/driver Nov 06 19:28:00 GNUtoo|laptop: with the same dongle? Nov 06 19:28:08 no Nov 06 19:28:16 I don't know which which dongle Nov 06 19:28:23 but I know there was a dvb-something made Nov 06 19:28:31 maybe it was radio Nov 06 19:28:36 but it was usb-2.0 Nov 06 19:31:53 this is the device http://bmglobal.tw/page12.php lindi- [Rui] Nov 06 19:34:55 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/DVB-H Nov 06 19:34:58 hmmm Nov 06 19:35:05 I feared that it was radio and not TV Nov 06 19:35:43 * GNUtoo|laptop looks what dvb-h is Nov 06 19:36:00 ah ok Nov 06 19:36:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvb-h Nov 06 19:36:05 it is hybrid : dvb-t+analog tv +FM Nov 06 19:36:08 ok Nov 06 19:36:23 alabd, would the freerunner be powerfull enough to decode it? Nov 06 19:36:39 dvb-h should be dvb-handhelds iirc Nov 06 19:36:45 don't am asking here Nov 06 19:36:49 JaMa: dvb-t Nov 06 19:36:55 not dvb-h Nov 06 19:36:57 indeed it is according to wikipedia Nov 06 19:37:07 GNUtoo|laptop: ^ Nov 06 19:37:32 alabd, I've no clue if it'll work Nov 06 19:37:42 but you will surely have some issues such as: Nov 06 19:37:50 *freerunner processing power which is low Nov 06 19:38:04 *it could be usb 2.0 only Nov 06 19:38:14 alabd: I was answering to GNUtoo, not talking about your dongle Nov 06 19:57:39 any other opinion ? Nov 06 20:50:43 hmmm Nov 06 20:53:36 the shr kernel for n900 is too big for uboot Nov 06 21:13:02 [Rui], first of all, it's for the v7, second of all Nov 06 21:13:06 it doesn't boot. Nov 06 21:13:19 but I got it to flash which is a start. Nov 06 21:30:49 <[Rui]> ok. the narcissus image did boot for me, but.... screen was totally borked Nov 06 21:33:22 <[Rui]> TAsn: if http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-SmartQ-V7-Smart-Q-V-7-touch-screen-digitizer-/270652859412?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3f042ae414 is compatible with mine... I might fix mine anyway... Nov 06 21:36:28 you can Nov 06 21:36:46 just choose smartq5 in OE Nov 06 21:38:39 <[Rui]> TAsn: I can what? Nov 06 21:39:16 get an image for yourself. Nov 06 21:39:19 a good one. Nov 06 21:46:26 <[Rui]> TAsn: it's what I did with narcissus but I'll have to try (eventually) to bake my own Nov 06 21:46:47 yeah. Nov 06 21:46:54 you should. Nov 06 21:46:57 shr their ass. :P Nov 06 21:47:01 <[Rui]> TAsn: as I *never* were able to build any shr-u *ever* (for one reason or another) I've been pretty insecure about it Nov 06 21:47:14 [Rui], use JaMa's magical chroot Nov 06 21:47:31 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r871f6bf29ff0 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/subsystem.vala: libfsoframework: subsystem: new API objectsForPrefix( string prefix ) Nov 06 21:47:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r769e352196c2 10/fsodeviced/src/lib/ (Makefile.am input.vala): fsodeviced: lib: add SignallingInputDevice interface Nov 06 21:47:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r670c7041d182 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_input/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala): fsodeviced: kernel_input: provide a way for modules to provide auxilliary input events Nov 06 21:47:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8993cc311565 10/fsodeviced/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fsodeviced: add dummy_input module, showing how to utilize the auxilliary input mechanism Nov 06 21:47:44 <[Rui]> TAsn: ? Nov 06 21:47:56 [Rui], that's the path to enlightenment. Nov 06 21:47:59 [Rui], ask him. Nov 06 21:48:01 he'll tell you. Nov 06 21:49:18 <[Rui]> JaMa: what chroot is TAsn talking about? :) Nov 06 21:49:59 dos1: as for the button names, lets do it like we do it for the other devices for now Nov 06 21:50:00 i.e. Nov 06 21:50:07 [Rui], *magical* Nov 06 21:50:11 it's important. Nov 06 21:50:13 <[Rui]> I wish I knew python, I'd have less coding to do to fix om-neon's issues I have rather than making a new program Nov 06 21:50:21 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/jama/chroot/ Nov 06 21:50:25 <[Rui]> s/chroot/magical chroot/ Nov 06 21:50:35 report009 = PHONE_ANSWER,key,231,1 Nov 06 21:50:35 report010 = PHONE_HANGUP,key,107,1 Nov 06 21:50:35 report010b = PHONE_HANGUP,key,116,0 Nov 06 21:50:35 report011 = VOLUME_UP,key,104,1 Nov 06 21:50:35 report012 = VOLUME_DOWN,key,109,1 Nov 06 21:50:44 dos1: (from motorola_openezx) Nov 06 21:51:55 mickey|bbl: ok, thanks :) Nov 06 21:58:50 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07cornucopia * r1253e301585f 10/fsodeviced/conf/nokia_n900/fsodeviced.conf: fsodeviced: conf: n900: add volume keys Nov 06 21:58:55 mickey|bbl: tomorrow i'll play with SignallingInputDevice, thanks once again Nov 07 01:07:22 TAsn, [Rui]: lol :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 07 02:59:57 2010