**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 09 02:59:58 2010 Nov 09 03:00:34 also, clicking AUX for closing the current app and holding it to go to home screen should be switched around, I think Nov 09 03:03:54 the keyboard doesn't do shift yet??!? Nov 09 03:04:13 *sigh* much left to do there, but a good start Nov 09 03:05:07 I'll be off for some hours of sleep though Nov 09 06:27:57 moin Nov 09 06:44:28 moin Nov 09 06:45:33 i'm slightly annoyed by my shr-t lately. sometimes it just doe not wake up from standby or the screen freezes and i have to pull the bat... :/ Nov 09 07:17:15 creeper__: ask those people who said they want to maintain shr-t Nov 09 08:15:50 hey, is it possible to use the debug board v3 as a usb to 3.3V serial converter? Nov 09 08:20:28 sleipnir: should be Nov 09 08:20:47 sleipnir: as the very chip used as the base of the board is a usb<->uart converter Nov 09 08:20:50 :) Nov 09 08:20:56 PaulFertser: ok cool, so i can play with my dusty NAS a bit :-) Nov 09 08:21:35 PaulFertser: so just use J10 I assume Nov 09 08:22:21 sleipnir: do you want me to check the schematics? Nov 09 08:22:58 PaulFertser: nop. just wanted to have a fuzzy confirmation ;-) Nov 09 08:24:25 sleipnir: i like ft232 chips, they always worked the best possible way for me. Nov 09 08:25:09 PaulFertser: hehe. i think i'll give it a try. Nov 09 08:25:20 PaulFertser: thx for your time Nov 09 08:26:10 sleipnir: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/backside-usbuart.jpg Nov 09 08:27:40 PaulFertser: ??? Nov 09 08:28:37 sleipnir: that's my diy converter from the back side, i've no idea where i get the other side's photo. Nov 09 08:28:48 lol Nov 09 08:29:31 sleipnir: basically ft232r glued on back to the pcb, some of the pins are bent down and soldered to 1.27 SO pitch, others are just soldered "in the air" with small wires. Nov 09 08:29:36 sleipnir: you need pins 1, 2 and 9 IIRC - 9 is GND, 1 and 2 are rx and tx or vice versa. Nov 09 08:29:40 PaulFertser: the really bad thing with buying a new dev-machine is you rarely get one with an old COM port Nov 09 08:29:44 (as ft232rq is 0.7 pitch) Nov 09 08:30:03 sleipnir: since i've got this converter, i do not care much. :) Nov 09 08:30:04 * sleipnir has a hand-full of DIY MAX232 based converters flying around Nov 09 08:30:12 sleipnir: pins 1, 2 and 9 of that connector on the debugboard Nov 09 08:30:14 Yeah, several max232 here too. Nov 09 08:31:38 Wonka: yeah i see it in the schematics Nov 09 08:31:43 Wonka: thx Nov 09 08:31:50 works quite fine... Nov 09 08:32:43 my current problem is how to jtag a DockStar with the debugboard... openocd complains reading the jtag chain returns all zeroes... Nov 09 08:33:07 daniele_athome: you there? Nov 09 08:33:14 cool, the only thing is the 4220B requires 19200 with xon/off flow control (if you belief the forum posts). so i guess i also need to hook up the other pins too Nov 09 08:33:18 Wonka, i am Nov 09 08:33:20 daniele_athome: was playing with mokosuite yesterday Nov 09 08:33:37 daniele_athome: didn't find how to get a running app back on the screen Nov 09 08:33:39 :) Nov 09 08:33:46 Wonka, you can't right now Nov 09 08:33:54 daniele_athome: ah -.- Nov 09 08:33:55 with the new version coming out there will be a basic app switcher Nov 09 08:34:08 i know, the wm lacks a lot of things Nov 09 08:34:19 it's very basic Nov 09 08:34:28 sorry Nov 09 08:34:36 daniele_athome: other things: I'd like it better if clicking AUX switched to home screen and holding AUX for longer closed the current app Nov 09 08:34:54 daniele_athome: the keyboard doesn't do shift yet? Nov 09 08:34:57 Wonka, i'll think about making it configurable :) Nov 09 08:35:01 Wonka, not yet Nov 09 08:35:38 daniele_athome: I'd like the keyboard to be configurable too - maybe like matchbox-keyboard? Nov 09 08:35:44 radekp: cherry-picked, thanks Nov 09 08:35:52 Wonka, what do you mean? Nov 09 08:35:56 the keyboard is made with a Edje file Nov 09 08:36:00 daniele_athome: keyboard layout. Nov 09 08:36:01 you might create one Nov 09 08:36:17 it should work with almost no editing Nov 09 08:36:24 but no layout generation on the fly right now Nov 09 08:36:31 radekp: but will build in OE probably only after gta01 support in .34, because I have already patches removing older versions from OE and adding patches agains upstream tarbal only (not building from git anymore) Nov 09 08:36:34 i mean generating a keyboard starting from a layout Nov 09 08:36:43 daniele_athome: got a matchbox keyboard layout: https://chaos.in-kiel.de/~w/openmoko/keyboard.xml Nov 09 08:37:01 JaMa: hi, sure Nov 09 08:37:02 daniele_athome: would like to use something like that too Nov 09 08:37:23 Wonka, it will be hard the way the keyboard is right now Nov 09 08:37:45 i don't think i can do it soon Nov 09 08:37:58 a lot of things have to be done first :( Nov 09 08:38:10 daniele_athome: is there a git tree somewhere? maybe I can find time to look at the keyboard Nov 09 08:38:21 Wonka, of course, everything is at gitorious Nov 09 08:38:24 project mokosuite2 Nov 09 08:38:41 Wonka, the keyboard is in repository mokowm Nov 09 08:39:05 daniele_athome: cool... I could use some build instructions... Nov 09 08:39:09 i'm waiting to push qwo4 input method :( Nov 09 08:39:15 i'm tried of using qwerty keyboard Nov 09 08:39:24 s/tried/tired/ Nov 09 08:39:24 daniele_athome meant: i'm tired of using qwerty keyboard Nov 09 08:40:04 daniele_athome: mmmh, other methods... I pasted a link here some days ago, I have an idea based on that one... Nov 09 08:40:28 Wonka, that is? Nov 09 08:40:44 maybe later, all those "better" keyboards I've seen yet all missed something needed for working on the shell, coding or umlauts. Nov 09 08:41:12 Wonka, i know, i don't like to code on my phone :D Nov 09 08:41:25 i prefer using the phone as a phone Nov 09 08:41:25 :) Nov 09 08:41:40 daniele_athome: I don't like doing it there too, but I'd like to be able to do it ;) Nov 09 08:41:51 :) Nov 09 08:41:53 daniele_athome: my FR mostly is mobile IRC for me currently Nov 09 08:42:18 i see Nov 09 08:42:43 daniele_athome: and I need quite a sh*tload of chars there, including exotic UTF8 chars Nov 09 08:43:05 eh Nov 09 08:43:12 Wonka, where are you gonna put them? :P Nov 09 08:43:33 some sort of extendable character table? Nov 09 08:43:53 Wonka, i mean where are you gonna take the space Nov 09 08:43:56 from the FR display Nov 09 08:44:06 eventually it will cover up the screen Nov 09 08:44:08 make that character table scrollable ;) Nov 09 08:44:11 or make the keys too much little Nov 09 08:44:16 Wonka, aaaaaah :-o Nov 09 08:44:18 lol Nov 09 08:44:19 help Nov 09 08:44:29 sleipnir: no, xon/xoff is pure software Nov 09 08:44:36 anyway it might be a good idea but just for a symbol table Nov 09 08:44:38 daniele_athome: https://chaos.in-kiel.de/~w/openmoko/matchbox-keyboard-de.png Nov 09 08:44:44 i mean not as a keyboard Nov 09 08:44:46 sleipnir: 3 wires are enough. Nov 09 08:45:09 daniele_athome: if the keys were 2/3 of the height it'd still work for me Nov 09 08:45:19 i see Nov 09 08:48:10 daniele_athome: I got some ideas about input methods, just didn't find a way to integrate them yet... didn't even get matchbox-keyboard to run on current shr-u... and I'd like that solved before I modify it Nov 09 08:48:35 Wonka, i'm integrating them in my own wm for now Nov 09 08:48:43 didn't find a suitable way either... maybe illume Nov 09 08:48:47 but i don't like illume Nov 09 08:48:55 i don't even like e17 at all Nov 09 08:49:05 so much resources for a mobile wm... Nov 09 08:49:10 what a waste Nov 09 08:49:11 daniele_athome: np, I can modify that... but I wouldn't start modifying the illume keyboard... Nov 09 08:49:14 ack Nov 09 08:49:26 * lindi- has been running icewm daily for almost two years without crashes on FR Nov 09 08:50:16 mb-kb segfaults on e shutdown on the "known working" shr-u I have in flash... Nov 09 08:50:23 but at least it works. Nov 09 08:50:42 on the "current" shr-u in uSD, it doesn't work. Nov 09 08:51:01 I'm playing with mokowm there now :) Nov 09 08:56:56 PaulFertser: can you help us in #g2root ? Nov 09 08:57:31 tmzt: :-O i might try though i'm not sure i'm capable. Nov 09 08:57:53 hmm you or doc not sure who would know this better Nov 09 09:05:01 daniele_athome: what is keycode 117? Nov 09 09:05:12 daniele_athome: er, 177. the one defined to be F14 Nov 09 09:05:24 Wonka, is the aux key Nov 09 09:05:29 ah Nov 09 09:05:34 i think there is some bug somewhere (might be x11 itself) Nov 09 09:05:39 aux binding doesn't work properly Nov 09 09:05:45 so i had to map it to a "known" key Nov 09 09:10:03 hmm... I had written a screen locker once, in python Nov 09 09:10:21 bus = dbus.SystemBus() Nov 09 09:10:21 bus.add_signal_receiver(signal_handler, Nov 09 09:10:21 dbus_interface="org.freesmartphone.Device.Input", Nov 09 09:10:21 signal_name="Event") Nov 09 09:11:02 worked for me Nov 09 09:11:46 Wonka, i prefer not to use fso for handling simple X input events Nov 09 09:12:00 got "pressed", "held", "released" events for AUX and POWER just fine Nov 09 09:12:10 well, yes, can understand that :) Nov 09 09:12:13 i know but that's not to the way to do it for a window manager Nov 09 09:12:13 ;) Nov 09 09:12:22 ack Nov 09 09:15:09 JaMa: it's still the version from april or so. but I will probably look into updating it soon. however, if podboy would work on shr-u again, i would be with that :) Nov 09 09:20:12 *sigh* if I just could get debian to do gprs... Nov 09 09:21:12 creeper__: those apis were already updated.. waiting for podboy code update Nov 09 09:21:36 daniele_athome: aieeee... the keyboard is currently missing the minus sign! Nov 09 09:21:47 Wonka, what?!? Nov 09 09:21:50 Wonka, look again Nov 09 09:21:56 use the symbol button Nov 09 09:22:27 there is = and _, but not - Nov 09 09:22:57 had to shut it down via ssh... Nov 09 09:23:05 Wonka: debian on the FR was not really fun last time i tested it. totally not made for touchscreen operation Nov 09 09:23:14 (gotta go in real soon now) Nov 09 09:23:20 creeper__: ack. Nov 09 09:23:39 Wonka, really there is minus Nov 09 09:23:41 creeper__: can use it with matchbox-keyboard (see above for my layout) Nov 09 09:23:49 i don't remember if it's in numbers section Nov 09 09:23:52 or symbols section Nov 09 09:23:56 JaMa: the API is completely up to date now? your last post on the podboy issue was that you are not including the newest libs yet as they are still changing or something Nov 09 09:23:58 but there is one, i'm sure Nov 09 09:24:03 daniele_athome: not seen there either... will recheck sometime later today Nov 09 09:24:14 JaMa: if it is up to date now, maybe someone should tell the author. i guess he is waiting for a sign :) Nov 09 09:24:40 Wonka, i'm looking at it right now Nov 09 09:24:42 numbers section Nov 09 09:24:47 the first key on the second row Nov 09 09:24:51 from the left Nov 09 09:24:54 mmh... Nov 09 09:24:54 before slash / Nov 09 09:25:03 Wonka: i killed debian from my FR 8 months ago or so. and at that time matchbox-keyboard was a huge pain Nov 09 09:25:25 I just shut it down so I can boot something actually IRC-able now... going mobile in 10mins... Nov 09 09:25:36 creeper__: can tell later what I use Nov 09 09:25:43 creeper__: podbody? Nov 09 09:26:24 tmzt: yes Nov 09 09:26:30 what is it Nov 09 09:27:36 tmzt: currently not working on shr-u due to elementary API changes, see https://code.google.com/p/podboy/issues/detail?id=20 Nov 09 09:27:47 creeper__: I intend to make debian usable. If I need to debianize mokowm or something, so be it. Nov 09 09:28:20 Wonka: while i like debian on my desktop, i'm quite OK with SHR on my FR actually Nov 09 09:28:44 creeper__: it's what works for me too currently Nov 09 09:28:49 okay, what is it Nov 09 09:29:08 creeper__: debian just has soooo many more packages... Nov 09 09:29:20 Wonka: true, but i don't need most of them on my phone :) Nov 09 09:29:36 creeper__: I do want some ;) Nov 09 09:29:54 creeper__: and currently I'd rather debianize some oe package than other way round Nov 09 09:30:52 tmzt: i don't understand your question Nov 09 09:31:12 what is podboy Nov 09 09:39:31 tmzt: ah, ok. i thought you wanted to know what the problem was. well, take a look at https://code.google.com/p/podboy/ Nov 09 09:39:42 tmzt: essentially a podcast manager/player for the FR Nov 09 09:40:12 ok Nov 09 09:50:37 creeper__: you can try with http://paste.pocoo.org/show/288216/, it starts here, but I cannot see if it shows icons ok and I also have newer EFL then what's currently in shr-u Nov 09 09:52:25 JaMae: well, the question is: is the API stable again or will there be more changes soon? If it's more or less stable, i guess we could tell the author to fix it Nov 09 09:52:51 JaMae: but i will try the patch nevertheless, thanks Nov 09 09:55:19 creeper__: I plan to upgrade EFL in shr-u as soon as playya updates vala bindings, but IIRC there weren't any API changes since last upgrade Nov 09 09:56:25 well, version updates should not be a problem as long as the API sticks Nov 09 10:33:02 Lopi, hi Nov 09 10:38:34 GNUtoo|laptop, I have enjoy working, improved the recipes too Nov 09 10:38:45 pespin, nice Nov 09 10:39:14 GNUtoo|laptop, mp3 plays great. vorbis not so great. I have to do some more tests though Nov 09 10:39:22 ok Nov 09 10:39:37 why is vorbis not so great? what happens? Nov 09 10:40:02 and in my modified recipes I can't get the test binary to get in $PN-test. I'll show you my recipes this afternoon or so (I'm not at home now) Nov 09 10:40:19 ok great Nov 09 10:40:21 GNUtoo|laptop, too much cpu power needed Nov 09 10:40:29 ah ok Nov 09 10:40:37 ah I read bacly Nov 09 10:40:41 *badly Nov 09 10:40:44 GNUtoo|laptop, max_posedon told me to use ivorrbisdec which is better thought. have to test it more Nov 09 10:40:53 you can't get the test binary in ${PN}-test Nov 09 10:41:03 ok Nov 09 10:41:04 GNUtoo|laptop, why? Nov 09 10:41:16 "I can't get the test binary to get in $PN-test" Nov 09 10:41:24 I had this issue too Nov 09 10:41:32 I meant Nov 09 10:41:48 I read too fast and tought you succedded at getting the binary in ${PN}-test Nov 09 10:42:22 GNUtoo|laptop, nop, but we could try asking JaMa or someone in OE for help Nov 09 10:42:28 yes Nov 09 10:42:37 there is someone willing to help in #oe Nov 09 10:42:42 I got the deps needed to run it too Nov 09 10:42:49 the person I told you about yesterday Nov 09 10:42:50 nice!!! Nov 09 10:42:57 yeah, spoke with him yesterday Nov 09 10:43:03 fidencio, isn't him? Nov 09 10:43:08 yes Nov 09 10:43:13 yes ivorbis is much better.. you can find some benchmarks from me long time ago on ML (from mplayer) Nov 09 10:43:44 there is also gst-something that uses ffmpeg for vorbis and mp3 Nov 09 10:43:46 with vorbis cpu is 98% aprox all the time it doesn't even play most of time Nov 09 10:43:53 from felipec Nov 09 10:44:06 ahh it could improve my speed too Nov 09 10:44:08 but yeah, from what I was able to test yesteday night, ivorbis worked ok Nov 09 10:44:24 GNUtoo|laptop, mp3 playing with enjoy on neo takes about 50% cpu Nov 09 10:44:30 as most of my files are vorbis Nov 09 10:44:31 ok Nov 09 10:44:53 same with gst-launch more or less Nov 09 10:45:13 ok Nov 09 10:48:06 gst-av Nov 09 10:48:07 http://felipec.wordpress.com/2010/10/02/gst-av-0-4-better-performance-for-flac-vorbis-and-mp3-part-2/ Nov 09 10:48:21 we could try that Nov 09 10:55:11 GNUtoo|laptop, I'll be quite busy this week. remember it to me later if I don't remember myself please :) Nov 09 10:56:02 ok Nov 09 11:51:31 Lopi, the port seem standard enough, AT commands, libertas,alsa etc... Nov 09 11:51:55 mickey|office, hi mickeyl, did you get my trace? Nov 09 14:27:16 what a splitfest... Nov 09 15:00:10 heyho Nov 09 16:35:11 I've succesfully buillt an SHR-U image (cheers all around!), and have checked out a project from git. Nov 09 16:35:25 I can build that, and that seems to work as well. Nov 09 16:35:51 (I've followed the 'libphone-ui-shr' example). Nov 09 16:36:30 Where can I find the built executable? I would like to be able to SCP this to my phone to see if my changes (uhm, none at the moment...) are carried through. Nov 09 16:37:35 ChristW_: do you have just compiled it, or do you have packaged it too? Nov 09 16:38:04 I've done 'bitbake libphone-ui-shr', so I guess it gets packaged as well. Nov 09 16:38:05 bitbake recipe or bitbake -c compile recipe Nov 09 16:38:10 yes Nov 09 16:38:21 then the binary is deleted Nov 09 16:38:41 you should scp the ipk Nov 09 16:39:37 and install from the ipk. Ok, is there a way to 'only compile'? THen I should just 'bitbake -c compile ', right? Nov 09 16:39:54 ChristW_: yes Nov 09 16:40:18 bitbake -i doesn't work :-( Nov 09 16:40:19 then the binary is in tmp/work/arm-..../package-name/.. Nov 09 16:40:34 -i ? Nov 09 16:40:39 'interactive'. Nov 09 16:41:04 (Says so on the 'BUilding SHR' page...) Nov 09 16:49:55 Heinervdm: I'm at ~/openmoko/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/libphone-ui-shr-0.0.1+gitrLOCAL-r1/libphone-ui-shr Nov 09 16:50:34 I think that should be the path. But, I can't seem to find an executable in there, but 'only' source and building scripts... Nov 09 16:51:53 ChristW_: you can run bitbake -c install ... Nov 09 16:52:01 then they are easier to find Nov 09 16:52:35 then it will be at ~/openmoko/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/libphone-ui-shr-0.0.1+gitrLOCAL-r1/image Nov 09 16:56:25 ChristW_, you can extract the binary from the ipkg too using "ar -x package.ipkg" ;) Nov 09 16:58:43 pespin: I'll look into it... Nov 09 16:59:06 I've found an shr.so in the 'image' dir. It's 8.5Mb in size??? Nov 09 17:02:39 ChristW_: that looks a bit big Nov 09 17:02:51 perhaps it's not stripped Nov 09 17:03:10 i don't know the when stripping is done... Nov 09 17:03:15 It's not. Nov 09 17:34:30 ChristW_: build is the second last task, so if you use this target you will get packages, but it won't remove the sources and then you should find your binary in ~/openmoko/shr-unstable/tmp/work/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/libphone-ui-shr-0.0.1+gitrLOCAL-r1/package Nov 09 17:57:49 Heinervdm: 112K Nov 9 18:41 shr.so Nov 09 17:57:53 Better... thanks! Nov 09 18:42:13 GNUtoo|laptop, yeah I was playing around with it last night, but I almost bricked my phone so I lost a couple hours of work :/ Nov 09 18:42:37 Lopi, ouch how did you almost brick it? Nov 09 18:43:01 Lopi, you should document your steps Nov 09 18:43:11 that would make your work easily reproductible Nov 09 18:43:12 GNUtoo|laptop, heh we don't know how Nov 09 18:43:15 and act as a backup Nov 09 18:43:24 Lopi, a wiki somewhere Nov 09 18:43:35 simply add xorg.conf, kernel defconfig etc... Nov 09 18:43:46 GNUtoo|laptop, thinking it may have to do with the way SHR maps memory Nov 09 18:43:52 GNUtoo|laptop, not sure though Nov 09 18:43:53 Lopi, ? Nov 09 18:43:58 maps memory???? Nov 09 18:44:01 that's the kernel Nov 09 18:44:09 bleh that's not it then Nov 09 18:44:12 the userspace can't map memory Nov 09 18:44:21 anyway Nov 09 18:44:22 anyway Nov 09 18:44:23 I rebooted Nov 09 18:44:27 went into openiboot Nov 09 18:44:29 I looked at the iphone android port Nov 09 18:44:37 tried booting iOS Nov 09 18:44:38 and it seem pretty standard for iphone 2g Nov 09 18:44:40 phone would just turn off ;p Nov 09 18:44:42 do you have iphone 2g Nov 09 18:44:44 ouch Nov 09 18:44:48 nah, 3G Nov 09 18:44:52 ah ok Nov 09 18:44:58 3g is less supported right Nov 09 18:45:03 I spent some time looking at 2g Nov 09 18:45:04 although, SHR will work on 2G, 3G, and IPT1G Nov 09 18:45:05 too bad Nov 09 18:45:10 yes Nov 09 18:45:15 anyway for 2g: Nov 09 18:45:16 3G probably has the most support now Nov 09 18:45:18 *libertas Nov 09 18:45:20 or equal to 2G Nov 09 18:45:21 *AT commands Nov 09 18:45:26 *alsa Nov 09 18:45:34 *device node for accelerometers Nov 09 18:45:41 that means that it's pretty standard Nov 09 18:45:56 btw, I do have some documentation ;p Nov 09 18:46:19 what docs? Nov 09 18:46:31 made a dev guide for ubuntu a few months back before I took over ;o Nov 09 18:46:59 GNUtoo|laptop, http://dev.idroidproject.org/documents/5 Nov 09 18:47:16 ah ok Nov 09 18:47:24 I'm more interested in the adaptation part Nov 09 18:47:42 what do you mean by adaptation? Nov 09 18:48:04 xorg.conf,fso etc... Nov 09 18:48:08 ah Nov 09 18:48:13 right Nov 09 18:48:15 one sec Nov 09 18:48:23 imagine that you have an hardware with public stuff or source code Nov 09 18:48:39 then someone has to create the kernel config, to adapt or configure fso etc... Nov 09 18:48:50 yeah Nov 09 18:48:50 that's what porters do Nov 09 18:48:54 in your case it seem simple Nov 09 18:48:59 I have all that information Nov 09 18:49:00 and yes Nov 09 18:49:02 it was simple Nov 09 18:49:38 we have usb ethernet gadget, but there's a bug in the synopsys peripheral driver so it's not htat useful yet ;p Nov 09 18:49:58 ok Nov 09 18:49:59 ricky26 of iDroid has been trying to fix it Nov 09 18:50:05 he does a lot of the low level work Nov 09 18:50:09 ok Nov 09 18:50:43 I did some low level too for the htcdream, but you appear to have more standard stuff than our port Nov 09 18:50:47 GNUtoo|laptop, I have enjoy test in a subpackage working :) Nov 09 18:50:50 so less needed Nov 09 18:50:53 pespin_, wow Nov 09 18:50:54 nice Nov 09 18:50:59 GNUtoo|laptop, here's our xorg.conf from Ubuntu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8083946/xorg.conf Nov 09 18:51:13 I think it has to do with the orer of the append_install() and FILES_ and PACKAGES_ :S Nov 09 18:51:32 Option "Calibration" "0 7306 0 4602" <- that is very important Nov 09 18:51:44 yeah Nov 09 18:51:53 don't loose it Nov 09 18:51:55 GNUtoo|laptop, here's our kernel config: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8083946/config_iX_3G_USB_ALoGeNo Nov 09 18:52:02 it's in two different drop boxes ;p Nov 09 18:52:15 ok np Nov 09 18:52:38 Lopi, do you want your iphone to be suported in official SHR images? Nov 09 18:52:42 because if so Nov 09 18:52:48 here what we have to do Nov 09 18:52:55 do you know what openembedded is? Nov 09 18:53:47 SHR images are built with openembedded Nov 09 18:53:52 what you need is rather simple Nov 09 18:54:00 some small configuration files here and there Nov 09 18:54:13 then you will be able to create some images Nov 09 18:54:37 the first 3 things you need are: Nov 09 18:55:02 *machine configuration, that's a file describing what architecture the machine uses,what kernel, what images format you want etc... Nov 09 18:55:16 *kernel and kenrel configuration Nov 09 18:55:31 *and as you have xorg.conf ,xorg.conf Nov 09 18:55:46 as usbnet doesn't work yet we don't include an /etc/network/interfaces yet Nov 09 18:58:54 Lopi, ^^^ (I hope you weren't frightened) Nov 09 19:01:52 GNUtoo|laptop, I was afk talking to my roommate Nov 09 19:02:00 ok np Nov 09 19:02:22 GNUtoo|laptop, yeah I know openembedded I tried buidling a G1 image last night Nov 09 19:02:37 I ran out of space on my vm though ;p Nov 09 19:02:50 Lopi, ok do you know rm_work? Nov 09 19:02:57 nope Nov 09 19:03:43 Lopi, search for inherit rm_work Nov 09 19:03:53 that can rm your workdir once it has been compiled Nov 09 19:04:00 that save a lot of space Nov 09 19:04:11 but doesn't help with debugging stuff Nov 09 19:04:26 because you could have some logs in a rm-ed dir Nov 09 19:04:55 tipical use case: Nov 09 19:05:18 build => build_failure => you fix => you rebuild => you don't have anymore the failure log Nov 09 19:05:25 I bet Nov 09 19:05:30 I didn't try rm_work Nov 09 19:05:44 so does it automatically rm the workdir after it finishes compiling something? Nov 09 19:06:13 or does it do it after the image is built Nov 09 19:07:06 I don't know exactly but I guess as soon as it finished to build Nov 09 19:07:29 hm okay Nov 09 19:07:55 I'll make a new VM for openembedded so I don't run out of space Nov 09 19:07:59 GNUtoo|laptop, shall i set enjoy dependant on lightmediascanner-test ? Nov 09 19:08:00 ok Nov 09 19:08:04 RDEPENDS? DEPENDS? Nov 09 19:08:10 pespin_, RDEPENDS Nov 09 19:08:16 GNUtoo|laptop, ok Nov 09 19:08:25 pespin_, do += Nov 09 19:08:27 GNUtoo|laptop, does openmoko have a way of running the images in qemu? Nov 09 19:08:32 else it will overrite RDEPENDS Nov 09 19:08:49 Lopi, yes for the freerunner, not for the iphone Nov 09 19:08:58 Lopi, else you could do that: Nov 09 19:09:01 I have a method provided by Ubuntu that works Nov 09 19:09:03 boot until X Nov 09 19:09:10 GNUtoo|laptop, I'm already using RDEPENDS in enjoy (for gstreamer stuff) Nov 09 19:09:16 then connect with the wifi Nov 09 19:09:18 and ssh inside Nov 09 19:09:30 pespin_, ok Nov 09 19:09:47 GNUtoo|laptop, RDEPENDS = "\ Nov 09 19:09:47 gst-plugin-typefindfunctions gst-plugin-playbin \ Nov 09 19:09:47 gst-plugin-lame gst-plugin-id3demux \ Nov 09 19:09:47 gst-plugin-ogg gst-plugin-ivorbisdec \ Nov 09 19:09:47 " Nov 09 19:09:53 shall I set it to += ? Nov 09 19:09:56 yes Nov 09 19:09:58 ok Nov 09 19:10:16 I think I should edit the wiki page you recommended first before diving into machine config file, etc. Nov 09 19:10:34 Lopi, or store the config files in a wiki Nov 09 19:10:38 or at least the links Nov 09 19:10:44 I'll help you for the wiki Nov 09 19:10:57 what is the machine conf file called? Nov 09 19:11:06 I want to take a look at the an example Nov 09 19:11:07 hmmm Nov 09 19:11:14 it's a bit problematic Nov 09 19:11:22 because there is already an iphone machine Nov 09 19:11:25 but it's for ios Nov 09 19:11:51 where can I find it Nov 09 19:12:07 http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/conf/machine Nov 09 19:12:11 ah Nov 09 19:12:23 JaMa: the podboy patch makes podboy start, but cannot switch to episodes mode and all icons are missing Nov 09 19:12:24 maybe if you add an iphone3g Nov 09 19:12:35 like iphone3g.conf Nov 09 19:16:35 looks like I'll just have to take iphone.conf and add some things Nov 09 19:16:38 should be fairly simple Nov 09 19:18:07 Lopi, yes that's simple Nov 09 19:18:19 take example on htcdream, om-gta02.conf etc... Nov 09 19:18:21 also need to add stuff to tune-arm1176jzf-s.inc Nov 09 19:18:33 Lopi, call it iphone3g.conf Nov 09 19:18:37 yeah I will Nov 09 19:18:57 just saying I need to take what's already in iphone.conf and tune-arm1176jzf-s.inc then add to it Nov 09 19:19:05 based on what in htcdream.conf, etc. Nov 09 19:21:36 ok Nov 09 19:22:04 iphone.conf is for IOS Nov 09 19:22:10 and they build only gcc for it Nov 09 19:22:18 not IOS images Nov 09 19:22:24 so it's highly incomplete Nov 09 19:22:30 yeah right Nov 09 19:22:41 MACHINE_DISPLAY_PPI = pixel per inch? Nov 09 19:22:47 I think so Nov 09 19:22:51 if you don't know Nov 09 19:22:54 don't add it Nov 09 19:22:58 k Nov 09 19:23:22 yeah, on the G1 image when the kernel and ramdisk load the screen turns some really strange colors Nov 09 19:23:33 it could be because of that ;o Nov 09 19:24:49 I'm not sure how the kernel with openembedded will work Nov 09 19:25:03 since it's compiled from iDroid repositories Nov 09 19:26:28 Lopi, no Nov 09 19:26:38 Lopi, that's normal Nov 09 19:26:48 hm weird Nov 09 19:26:50 Lopi, it's fixed in SHR but not in openembedded Nov 09 19:27:03 basically someone took palm-pre framebuffer splash screen Nov 09 19:27:12 and added them for the htcdream Nov 09 19:27:16 ah Nov 09 19:27:17 because the resolution are the same Nov 09 19:27:26 but as the framebuffer were different Nov 09 19:27:28 it didn't work Nov 09 19:27:31 I fixed it Nov 09 19:27:33 right I see Nov 09 19:27:40 but I must "bump the revisions" in openembedded Nov 09 19:28:09 Lopi, for the kenrel, simply make a recipe for the idroid kernel Nov 09 19:28:13 with the defconfig Nov 09 19:28:25 btw, I just want to say you guys are way more helpful than ubuntu-arm ;p Nov 09 19:28:45 you have an armv6? Nov 09 19:28:49 yeah Nov 09 19:28:57 because ubuntu is only for armv7 as far as I understoof Nov 09 19:29:00 *understood Nov 09 19:29:03 no Nov 09 19:29:07 karmic is armv6 optimized Nov 09 19:29:19 ah ok Nov 09 19:29:23 but karmic is old right Nov 09 19:29:29 reason we picked it in the first place Nov 09 19:29:31 yeah Nov 09 19:29:34 9.10 Nov 09 19:29:37 ok Nov 09 19:30:09 with openembedded, not only you will get armv6 but you can also easily obtimize the rest Nov 09 19:30:16 for instance having the right config Nov 09 19:30:25 having the packages splited Nov 09 19:30:35 so you install only what's necessary Nov 09 19:30:36 etc... Nov 09 19:30:54 for instance if you want wesnoth,.... Nov 09 19:31:00 ubuntu should have a normal wesnoth Nov 09 19:31:06 which won't work on 480x320 Nov 09 19:31:29 the wesnoth recipe is compiled with tiny GUI which permit that Nov 09 19:31:43 we also have some qvga version of supertux for instance Nov 09 19:32:09 GNUtoo|laptop, what do you mean by make a recipe for the idroid kernel? Nov 09 19:32:14 GNUtoo|laptop, have quake 1? :D Nov 09 19:32:56 Lopi, I think we have quake1 too, I must look tough Nov 09 19:33:08 Lopi, I mean doing something like this: Nov 09 19:33:41 http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-leviathan_git.bb Nov 09 19:33:46 sorry for all the questions, but learning as I go Nov 09 19:33:56 forget aobut the do_deploy_append that is in it Nov 09 19:34:08 ahh I see Nov 09 19:34:15 http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-leviathan Nov 09 19:34:16 damn openembedded is really nice Nov 09 19:34:24 the second link contain the defconfig Nov 09 19:34:26 GNUtoo|laptop, enjoy builds & installs perfectly :D Nov 09 19:34:31 pespin_, nice Nov 09 19:34:47 GNUtoo|laptop, how do I send you the lightmediascanner and enjoy recipes? pastebin? Nov 09 19:35:09 pespin_, send them to the openembedded mailing list if you think they are ready. Nov 09 19:35:59 GNUtoo|laptop, I prefer you to check them if you want :) Nov 09 19:36:22 ok so send them to my mail Nov 09 19:36:26 I have not much knowledge of OE, just use some kind of trial+error algorithm to buildpackages hehe Nov 09 19:36:27 GNUtoo A no-log.org Nov 09 19:36:33 ok Nov 09 19:36:47 I am not a master-of-the-known-universe in oe Nov 09 19:36:53 but I know the basics Nov 09 19:38:13 gonna make something to eat then hopefully get some of this stuff done Nov 09 19:38:26 GNUtoo|laptop, sent Nov 09 19:38:40 ok Nov 09 19:44:36 pespin_, I think we should correct the license to be more precise Nov 09 19:44:41 like GPL2+ Nov 09 19:44:45 or something like that Nov 09 19:44:51 see the mailing list of oe Nov 09 19:45:06 then I'm not sure of the PV Nov 09 19:45:12 we should look the revision Nov 09 19:45:18 that is to say replace the 0.0 Nov 09 19:45:39 GNUtoo|laptop, I'm going now, I have a choir concert ;) Nov 09 19:45:47 ok Nov 09 19:46:05 no idea about how licenses work in OE Nov 09 19:46:19 apart that it seem ok Nov 09 19:46:22 what is PE btw? Nov 09 19:46:41 GNUtoo|laptop, uhm, good question. That's from your initial recipe I think Nov 09 19:46:47 ok Nov 09 19:46:56 I think I copied a lib recipe Nov 09 19:46:56 in e.bbclass or efl.bbclass there's a comment about PE afair Nov 09 19:47:00 ok Nov 09 19:47:02 I'll look Nov 09 19:47:06 let's continue that later then Nov 09 19:47:22 you should remove the PE Nov 09 19:47:36 ok Nov 09 19:47:55 PE is something like DISTRO PR for packages Nov 09 19:48:08 ah ok Nov 09 19:48:22 I suspected something like that Nov 09 19:48:26 but I thought it was for libs Nov 09 19:49:18 have to go now, till later! Nov 09 19:50:08 PE = package epoch Nov 09 19:50:37 http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version Nov 09 19:51:16 ah ok Nov 09 19:51:26 then I already looked at this doc Nov 09 19:51:29 and forgott about it Nov 09 19:51:31 thanks a lot Nov 09 21:00:37 JaMa: i have still the following problem during copilation of webkit-efl: JSSVGFontElement.cpp:(.text+0x174): relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_THM_CALL Nov 09 21:01:09 JaMa: my question what kind of distribution do you use to comile ? Nov 09 21:01:29 minimal chroot based on gentoo Nov 09 21:01:46 http://build.shr-project.org/tests/jama/chroot/ Nov 09 21:01:52 JaMa: I tried ubuntu 10.04 amd64: it compiles Nov 09 21:02:02 and there is debian on shr buildhost Nov 09 21:02:15 JaMa: ubuntu 10.04 i386: does not compile Nov 09 21:02:39 well my system as well as that on shr buildhost are 64b Nov 09 21:03:12 JaMa: ubuntu 10.04 i386 (minimal chroot) on ubuntu 10.04 i386 does also fail Nov 09 21:04:42 sorry don't know what went wrong on i386 Nov 09 21:04:43 JaMa: ubuntu 10.04 i386 (minimal chroot) on ubuntu 10.04 amd64 does also not compile (other error about mismatch between processor and include files 32/64 bit) Nov 09 21:05:06 and after 14hours of daywork not in mood to dive into it.. Nov 09 21:05:41 JaMa: who may help me ? Nov 09 21:05:53 Lopi, look in fso wiki, I added iphone3g here: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison and created a link to it here: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware Nov 09 21:06:53 nschle85: compare working and non working builddir, find what exactly went wrong Nov 09 21:08:35 GNUtoo|laptop, alright I'll edit it after my next class and provide more information Nov 09 21:12:47 ok Nov 09 21:12:49 I 've got my Palm pre 2! :D Nov 09 21:12:53 nice Nov 09 21:13:10 GarthPS, rahter 2 palm-pre 2 Nov 09 21:13:13 but I can't use it!!! I must registr my account but don't have 3G here.................... Nov 09 21:13:21 ? Nov 09 21:13:28 can't you use wifi? Nov 09 21:13:29 GNUtoo|laptop, what time is it for you? Nov 09 21:13:38 Lopi, 22:07 Nov 09 21:13:39 nope!! it is so stupid... Nov 09 21:13:44 k Nov 09 21:13:49 GarthPS, ouch+lol Nov 09 21:13:52 you will probaboy be sleeping when I get back Nov 09 21:14:04 GNUtoo|laptop: "rahter 2" ? Nov 09 21:14:12 Lopi, indeed, I will go to sleep soon Nov 09 21:14:26 GarthPS, didn't you order 2 palm pre 2 ? Nov 09 21:14:32 one for you Nov 09 21:14:49 GNUtoo|laptop: what youtube video? Nov 09 21:14:55 Gnu oh year my darly is wating for it tomorow :p Nov 09 21:15:00 GarthPS, ok Nov 09 21:15:16 ah, ok, found link :D Nov 09 21:15:25 dos1, is it the right video on http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/HardwareComparison Nov 09 21:15:36 because gnash doesn't work anymore with youtube Nov 09 21:16:06 s/darly/darling Nov 09 21:16:09 so I downloaded it Nov 09 21:16:13 ok Nov 09 23:49:30 is anyone familar with writing a *machine configuration? Nov 09 23:49:41 familiar* **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 10 02:59:57 2010