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Jan 14 04:44:52 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07playya/work * rb0ff995ae892 10msmcomm/libmsmcomm-next/tools/generate-structures-vala.py: 
Jan 14 04:44:52 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: libmsmcomm-next: Add uint8[] data property to
Jan 14 04:44:52 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: structures in the vapi
Jan 14 04:44:54 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07playya/work * r61ddb08440af 10msmcomm/libmsmcomm-next/vapi/structures.vapi: libmsmcomm-next: regen structures.vapi
Jan 14 04:44:56 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07playya/work * r57f3e0b99ec3 10msmcomm/libmsmcomm-next/msmcomm/basemessage.vala: 
Jan 14 04:44:56 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: libmsmcomm-next: remove faulty contruct section
Jan 14 04:44:56 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: from BaseMessage
Jan 14 04:44:58 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07playya/work * r0456d2430724 10msmcomm/libmsmcomm-next/tools/generate-structures-vala.py: 
Jan 14 04:44:58 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: libmsmcomm-next: fix a bug in data property
Jan 14 04:44:58 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: generation
Jan 14 04:45:00 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07playya/work * ra380126bc8e9 10msmcomm/libmsmcomm-next/vapi/structures.vapi: libmsmcomm-next: regen vapi/structures.vapi
Jan 14 04:45:02 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07playya/work * raa845321c249 10msmcomm/libmsmcomm-next/msmcomm/ (6 files): libmsmcomm-next: convert void* to uint8[]
Jan 14 04:45:16 <playya> good night
Jan 14 06:17:23 <JaMa|Off> Weiss: only libX11, xserver and glamo mesa driver rebased on 7.10
Jan 14 07:36:33 <Osama> hi for all
Jan 14 07:36:39 <daniele_athome> morning!
Jan 14 07:36:47 * daniele_athome is now owner of an android phone :)
Jan 14 07:36:58 <Osama> i need to dawnloud shr in my n900
Jan 14 07:36:59 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, JaMa|Off !!!!
Jan 14 07:37:08 <Osama> from this link
Jan 14 07:37:09 <daniele_athome> I have ideos :) please tell me I can install SHR on it :)
Jan 14 07:37:09 <Osama> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/nokia900/
Jan 14 07:37:22 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: shame on you ;)
Jan 14 07:37:38 <Osama> there are to match file !!
Jan 14 07:37:47 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, eheh i know :P i just wanted to get rid of my old nokia
Jan 14 07:37:53 <daniele_athome> you know I much i like android ;)
Jan 14 07:38:01 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: you have 1 day to jailbreak it... and install something free ;)
Jan 14 07:38:02 <daniele_athome> but i won't forget my beloved freerunner
Jan 14 07:38:11 <Osama> whate file shoud downloud ?
Jan 14 07:38:38 <Osama> from thes link : http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/nokia900/
Jan 14 07:39:07 <mrmoku> Osama: depends if you want the lite or the full image
Jan 14 07:39:28 <Osama> aha full if you can
Jan 14 07:39:32 <mrmoku> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/nokia900/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20110113-nokia900.rootfs.tar.gz
Jan 14 07:41:10 <Osama> aha thanks mrmoku
Jan 14 07:43:09 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, actually i don't know where to start
Jan 14 07:43:15 <daniele_athome> should i use something like kexec to run shr kernel
Jan 14 07:43:21 <daniele_athome> or reinstall the bootloader
Jan 14 07:43:22 <daniele_athome> ?
Jan 14 07:43:39 <daniele_athome> or - i should seek on the internet for some tech info :P
Jan 14 07:44:04 <Osama> Installation her http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware/N900/Installation
Jan 14 07:44:10 <Osama> chik it :)
Jan 14 07:45:54 <mrmoku> Osama: in addition there is http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/N900Install
Jan 14 07:51:57 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, really, what do you think? :)
Jan 14 07:53:52 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: I have no experience in jail breaking something
Jan 14 07:53:54 <mrmoku> no idea
Jan 14 07:54:03 <mrmoku> I have a FR and a n900
Jan 14 07:54:07 <mrmoku> and both don't need it ;)
Jan 14 07:54:28 <mrmoku> maybe talk to morphis or playya or better still Gnutoo
Jan 14 07:54:54 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: so... which one is itr?
Jan 14 07:54:55 <mrmoku> -r
Jan 14 08:01:09 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, sorry?
Jan 14 08:01:51 <Osama> aha
Jan 14 08:08:54 <daniele_athome> ah lol i got it now
Jan 14 08:08:55 <daniele_athome> :D
Jan 14 08:09:28 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: I mean which flavour of android... which phone... quale telefono :P
Jan 14 08:09:44 <daniele_athome> lol
Jan 14 08:10:01 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, huwaei u8150 (ideos)
Jan 14 08:10:06 <daniele_athome> the cheapest one :D
Jan 14 08:10:14 <mrmoku> ahh :P;
Jan 14 08:14:32 <JaMa|Off> heh, just for Android sake, right? ;)
Jan 14 08:18:46 <daniele_athome> JaMa, indeed :)
Jan 14 08:19:05 <daniele_athome> anyway i guess i will root it for now
Jan 14 08:41:04 <Q-Master> mrmoku: fsogsmd still segfaults if in deep sleep mode. 8(
Jan 14 08:51:01 <Q-Master> JaMa: here?
Jan 14 08:56:09 <mrmoku> Q-Master: is there a ticket for this in fso trac?
Jan 14 08:56:13 <mrmoku> including debug logs?
Jan 14 08:57:09 <JaMa> Q-Master: y
Jan 14 09:02:30 <Q-Master> mrmoku: dunno. I think that that was a problem of fsogsmd and libphoneui in complex
Jan 14 09:02:53 <Q-Master> JaMa: after update X starts in 480x480
Jan 14 09:03:05 <Q-Master> JaMa: didn't find what to do.
Jan 14 09:04:26 <Q-Master> mrmoku: it is a very old problem.
Jan 14 09:07:40 <JaMa> Q-Master: I know, doesn't happen with 2.6.37 or nodrm kernel (that's why I didn't notice before)
Jan 14 09:07:46 <JaMa> pushing nodrm kernel as new default now
Jan 14 09:08:14 <Q-Master> JaMa: so that's a drm problem?
Jan 14 09:10:48 <JaMa> yes probably in xf86-video-glamo drm version (when DRM is detected available)
Jan 14 09:11:09 <JaMa> but it was triggered somehow by libX11|xserver|mesa upgrade
Jan 14 09:14:27 <morphis> heyho
Jan 14 09:14:56 <JaMa> heyho
Jan 14 09:17:01 <daniele_athome> JaMa: Error while mapping shared library sections:
Jan 14 09:17:02 <daniele_athome> /usr/lib/libmokosuite-ui.so.0: No such file or directory.
Jan 14 09:17:07 <daniele_athome> and so many others
Jan 14 09:17:12 <daniele_athome> practically every lib
Jan 14 09:17:32 <JaMa> while running what?
Jan 14 09:17:55 <daniele_athome> JaMa, sorry :) mokophone with gdb
Jan 14 09:17:57 <JaMa> does that file exist ok? no I/O error from screwed fs, right?
Jan 14 09:17:59 <daniele_athome> trying to catch a segv
Jan 14 09:18:22 <daniele_athome> JaMa, it's a symlink actually
Jan 14 09:18:22 <JaMa> -dbg packages installed?
Jan 14 09:18:28 <daniele_athome> to the actual .so lib
Jan 14 09:18:38 <daniele_athome> and yes, -dbg packages are installed
Jan 14 09:18:42 <daniele_athome> libs are in /usr/lib/.debug/
Jan 14 09:19:00 <JaMa> someone can test nodrm kernel before I push it? Q-Master?
Jan 14 09:19:08 <daniele_athome> JaMa, is it a problem that the dbg libs ends with .so.0.0.0 ?
Jan 14 09:19:50 <daniele_athome> no, same result :S
Jan 14 09:19:52 <JaMa> imho no.. but you can add it manually with add-symbol-file path offset
Jan 14 09:20:07 <daniele_athome> JaMa, i haven't installed every -dbg file
Jan 14 09:20:13 <daniele_athome> but only the ones that I need to debug
Jan 14 09:20:24 <JaMa> I had to add all debug libs manually ie for Xorg as it's loaded dynamicaly in runtime (based on xorg.conf)
Jan 14 09:20:25 <daniele_athome> shall i install every package in the debug dependency tree
Jan 14 09:20:28 <daniele_athome> til eglibc?
Jan 14 09:21:02 <JaMa> eglibc-dbg is not that big anymore.. so it's easier to install all
Jan 14 09:22:32 <daniele_athome> ah
Jan 14 09:22:39 <daniele_athome> JaMa, add-symbol-file requires an addr
Jan 14 09:22:41 <daniele_athome> *address
Jan 14 09:22:48 <daniele_athome> :)
Jan 14 09:23:03 <JaMa> yes that's why I mean by offset
Jan 14 09:23:13 <JaMa> read /proc/pid_of_debugged/maps
Jan 14 09:23:19 <daniele_athome> ah thanks
Jan 14 09:28:59 <Q-Master> JaMa: how?
Jan 14 09:29:18 <JaMa> btw I think that this patch is the cause for 480x480 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?h=server-1.9-branch&id=aec278eb65fe1ca98ab551a8c3873a7195bad540
Jan 14 09:29:29 <daniele_athome> JaMa, i've noticed that my own libmokosuite debug libs are statically linked
Jan 14 09:29:40 <daniele_athome> while libfreesmartphone-glib is dynamically linked
Jan 14 09:29:42 <JaMa> Q-Master: wget http://jama.dyndns-home.com/org.openembedded.shr.images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.34-r6-oe16-om-gta02.bin
Jan 14 09:29:42 <daniele_athome> is that normal?
Jan 14 09:30:02 <daniele_athome> instead /usr/lib/libmokosuite-* are dinamically linked
Jan 14 09:30:05 <daniele_athome> i don't understand :S
Jan 14 09:30:45 <JaMa> so /usr/lib/libmokosuite-* are dynamically linked while /usr/lib/.debug/libmokosuite-* are static?
Jan 14 09:33:30 <Q-Master> JaMa: what's the error message about debugfs creation failed?
Jan 14 09:34:23 <Q-Master> JaMa: And the kernel seems ok. Everything is displayed correct.
Jan 14 09:35:20 <JaMa> Q-Master: ok, thanks for test it's building now (with gcc so it will take time)
Jan 14 09:35:32 <JaMa> Q-Master: that error is not harmfull
Jan 14 09:35:41 <Q-Master> JaMa: hm. no suspend...
Jan 14 09:36:12 <Q-Master> shutdown works...
Jan 14 09:38:12 <daniele_athome> JaMa, yes
Jan 14 09:38:22 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07next * r677c7ec7108b 10msmcomm/ (8 files in 6 dirs): msmcomm: Add phonebook read record build command message
Jan 14 09:38:26 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07next * rd4eb20330936 10msmcomm/ (8 files in 6 dirs): msmcomm: add command/response messages to retrieve the home network name
Jan 14 09:38:50 <Q-Master> JaMa: suspend is not working from gui
Jan 14 09:39:43 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: set sysroot /
Jan 14 09:39:44 <Q-Master> JaMa: apm -s works
Jan 14 09:40:22 <mrmoku> JaMa: I can test it now
Jan 14 09:40:26 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, sorry? why?
Jan 14 09:40:53 <mrmoku> daniele_athome: some bug in gdb not having it set correctly I think
Jan 14 09:41:49 <Q-Master> TAsn: suspend not working from power button gui 8(
Jan 14 09:41:49 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, thanks! works now :)
Jan 14 09:41:57 <daniele_athome> but anyway warning: no loadable sections found in added symbol-file /usr/lib/.debug/libmokosuite-ui.so.0.0.0
Jan 14 09:42:06 <daniele_athome> and also for freesmartphone-glib and others libmokosuite*
Jan 14 09:42:31 <mrmoku> yeah, but at least you get some kind of usable bt now
Jan 14 09:42:45 <mrmoku> if you want it with symbols use gdbserver and gdb-cross on your buildhost
Jan 14 09:43:47 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, should -dbg packages just for doing that?
Jan 14 09:43:50 <daniele_athome> i mean debugging with symbols
Jan 14 09:43:50 <daniele_athome> ?
Jan 14 09:43:56 <daniele_athome> what are they for?
Jan 14 09:43:58 <mrmoku> should... but don't :P
Jan 14 09:44:20 <JaMa> Q-Master: suspend from gui is probably not related to kernel change but gdbus and someone already reported it iirc
Jan 14 09:44:30 <daniele_athome> :(
Jan 14 09:44:51 <JaMa> mrmoku: I consider it safe so building already, so only if you need fixed gta02 sooner
Jan 14 09:45:21 <Q-Master> JaMa: ok/
Jan 14 09:45:23 <daniele_athome> why cross development must be so difficult :S
Jan 14 09:45:48 <mrmoku> JaMa: ok
Jan 14 09:45:55 <daniele_athome> anyway, it should be an EFL problem
Jan 14 09:45:56 <daniele_athome> mmm
Jan 14 09:52:15 <[Rui]> mornin'!
Jan 14 09:55:11 <daniele_athome> morning [Rui] 
Jan 14 09:57:43 <daniele_athome> oh sh...
Jan 14 09:57:44 <daniele_athome> :S
Jan 14 09:57:48 <daniele_athome> JaMa, mrmoku ... it's x11-16 engine
Jan 14 09:57:55 <daniele_athome> until now it worked flawlessy!!!!! :(
Jan 14 09:57:59 <daniele_athome> it's very fast on the Fr
Jan 14 09:58:03 <daniele_athome> freerunner
Jan 14 09:58:07 <daniele_athome> x11 is damn slow
Jan 14 09:59:47 <daniele_athome> damn :(
Jan 14 10:01:14 <JaMa> :/
Jan 14 10:03:54 <daniele_athome> :(
Jan 14 10:03:57 <daniele_athome> :(:(:(
Jan 14 10:04:44 <JaMa> do you have simple testcase? if it's easy to fix someone will hopefully apply it to efl
Jan 14 10:05:17 <daniele_athome> JaMa, first tests with gdb shows:
Jan 14 10:05:19 <daniele_athome> 0x4073df24 in _evas_cache_image_async_heavy () from /usr/lib/libevas.so.1
Jan 14 10:05:24 <daniele_athome> from _evas_preload_thread_worker
Jan 14 10:05:34 <daniele_athome> i should do the symbols stuff with gdb server
Jan 14 10:05:40 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07next * re05be435bb66 10msmcomm/libmsmcomm-next/specs/messages/ (8 files): libmsmcomm-next: remove old message definitions
Jan 14 10:05:41 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07next * r9a3765dedaab 10msmcomm/msmcommd/src/miscservice.vala: msmcommd: miscservice: check response before processing it
Jan 14 10:05:41 <daniele_athome> to investigate further
Jan 14 10:05:42 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07next * r9e3536916ab2 10msmcomm/ (9 files in 6 dirs): msmcomm: add message to set the network preference mode
Jan 14 10:07:03 <daniele_athome> raster "wants to see it die"
Jan 14 10:07:04 <daniele_athome> :S
Jan 14 10:07:05 <daniele_athome> oh come o 
Jan 14 10:07:08 <daniele_athome> come on
Jan 14 10:07:38 <mrmoku> well... he does not want to maintain it :P
Jan 14 10:07:52 <mrmoku> and he once said to not have anything against it when someone does that
Jan 14 10:07:54 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07next * r3fd49c1dd36e 10msmcomm/ (162 files in 16 dirs): Move libmsmcomm to libmsmcomm-old
Jan 14 10:07:55 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07next * rd58085fd38e6 10msmcomm/msmvterm/ (14 files in 3 dirs): Remove msmvterm
Jan 14 10:07:57 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07next * r66a225cc9ba0 10msmcomm/msmsh/ (25 files in 5 dirs): Remove msmsh
Jan 14 10:08:03 <CIA-70> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07next * r7f3261bacc0c 10msmcomm/ (104 files in 14 dirs): Move libmsmcomm-next to libmsmcomm
Jan 14 10:09:40 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, just look him now on #edevelop 
Jan 14 10:11:03 <daniele_athome> mrmoku, i want to use x11 in 16bpp
Jan 14 10:11:23 <daniele_athome> is it enough to set Depth 16
Jan 14 10:11:25 <daniele_athome> in xorg.conf?
Jan 14 10:11:42 <daniele_athome> because in x11 log:
Jan 14 10:11:43 <daniele_athome> [742459.009] (**) Glamo(0): Depth 16, (--) framebuffer bpp 16                                
Jan 14 10:11:43 <daniele_athome> [742459.009] (==) Glamo(0): RGB weight 565                                                   
Jan 14 10:11:44 <daniele_athome> [742459.009] (==) Glamo(0): Default visual is TrueColor       
Jan 14 10:11:46 <mrmoku> that is what it has by default I think
Jan 14 10:12:53 <daniele_athome> mmm
Jan 14 11:21:50 <daniele_athome> JaMa, mrmoku i need to bump specs to latest version (and so the libraries)
Jan 14 11:21:57 <daniele_athome> in the meantime i have to test some recipes of mine
Jan 14 11:22:03 <daniele_athome> could you do the fso bumps please?
Jan 14 11:22:32 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser, ping
Jan 14 11:30:39 * JaMa will do
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Jan 14 11:42:28 <PaulFertser> daniele_athome: pong
Jan 14 12:27:59 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser, hi, i was investigating (again) in qvga
Jan 14 12:28:11 <daniele_athome> i wonder if any of you guys had any success in timings calibration
Jan 14 12:45:04 <pespin> who's the owner of "Sirloin OMAP3430 board" screenshots in scap.linuxtogo ?
Jan 14 12:58:36 <mickey|office> must be garth, slyon, playya, or morphis
Jan 14 12:58:43 <mickey|office> or sre
Jan 14 13:04:38 <pespin> mickey|office, ah is that from palm pre?
Jan 14 13:06:02 <daniele_athome> JaMa, you didn't trigger build of fso stuff in buildhost, did you?
Jan 14 13:06:40 <mickey|office> pespin: yes, sirloin omap3430 is palm pre(plus|2)
Jan 14 13:08:48 <pespin> ok :) Just to let them know that they should try setting a smaller ELM_FINGER value as button look too big for the screen imo
Jan 14 13:11:04 <daniele_athome> pespin, what value are you using for ELM_FINGER_SIZE on Freerunner?
Jan 14 13:12:09 <mickey|office> to me it looks quite ok
Jan 14 13:12:29 <mickey|office> remember that the palm has a smaller resolution as well as a smaller physcial screen iirc
Jan 14 13:15:22 <pespin> daniele_athome, I'm using 50, but default one is 70
Jan 14 13:15:31 <daniele_athome> 50? so small?
Jan 14 13:15:39 <daniele_athome> pespin, do you work with fingers or stylus?
Jan 14 13:15:42 <pespin> it's not so small
Jan 14 13:15:47 <pespin> daniele_athome, both
Jan 14 13:15:52 <daniele_athome> i see
Jan 14 13:16:25 <pespin> daniele_athome, I prefer smaller buttons to have more space for other things in screen :)
Jan 14 13:16:54 <daniele_athome> i could agree on that :)
Jan 14 13:16:59 <pespin> daniele_athome, maybe having large finger nails (to play guitar) helps pressing smaller buttons hehe
Jan 14 13:17:03 <PaulFertser> daniele_athome: oh, that's something i know nothing about...
Jan 14 13:17:14 <daniele_athome> PaulFertser: ah :(
Jan 14 13:17:18 <daniele_athome> thanks anyway
Jan 14 13:17:31 <PaulFertser> daniele_athome: Weiss might know something to help you
Jan 14 13:17:44 <daniele_athome> Weiss, ping
Jan 14 13:17:58 <pespin> daniele_athome, do you want me to up some screenshot of something into scap.linuxtogo to see how does it feel with ELM_FINGER=50 ?
Jan 14 13:18:13 <daniele_athome> pespin, please :)
Jan 14 13:18:25 <daniele_athome> actually i could just try it, but a preview is good :)
Jan 14 13:21:57 <daniele_athome> mmm buttons are small indeed
Jan 14 13:22:48 <pespin> daniele_athome, refresh scap.linuxtogo, I finished uploading now :)
Jan 14 13:23:10 <daniele_athome> i see thanks pespin 
Jan 14 13:23:20 <daniele_athome> i'll try 60
Jan 14 13:23:24 <daniele_athome> sec.
Jan 14 13:23:32 <pespin> yw :)
Jan 14 13:28:00 <JaMa> daniele_athome: did, but it will take a bit more (still upgrading gcc*)
Jan 14 13:28:29 <daniele_athome> ok
Jan 14 13:42:47 <playya> pespin, i already played with the finger size
Jan 14 13:45:48 <mickey|office> playya: is the edge/border problem with the touchscreen still pending or did we solve that?
Jan 14 13:46:07 <playya> solved
Jan 14 13:46:23 <playya> turn of/on screen: solved tonight
Jan 14 13:47:28 <pespin> playya, and which is best¿ so big as in screenshots in scap?
Jan 14 13:48:15 <playya> now. that's the value use on the freerunner :)
Jan 14 13:49:01 <pespin> playya, sorry but I don't understand :P
Jan 14 13:49:13 <pespin> which value?
Jan 14 13:49:15 <playya> mickey|office, and, thx to slyon, we have a switch for fso/weboas
Jan 14 13:49:23 <playya> let me boot shr
Jan 14 13:49:51 <playya> booting..
Jan 14 13:50:12 <playya> up and running
Jan 14 13:50:27 <pespin> btw, SHR boots so fast in pre in the video Slyon uploaded to show bootr
Jan 14 13:50:34 <playya> sclae = 1.0 finger size = 70
Jan 14 13:50:36 <pespin> I was really impressed
Jan 14 13:50:46 <playya> yes
Jan 14 13:51:12 <pespin> playya, and that's best value you found for pre too?
Jan 14 13:51:37 <playya> no. not yet
Jan 14 13:51:53 <playya> optic isn't top prio atm ;)
Jan 14 13:52:28 <playya> but i have one point that's > scale, finger size: an LCARS efl theme :)
Jan 14 13:52:50 <pespin> LCARS?
Jan 14 13:53:02 <playya> the star trek UI
Jan 14 13:53:06 <pespin> lol
Jan 14 13:53:22 <pespin> does that already exist?
Jan 14 13:54:04 <playya> it exists for the n800: https://synthesize.us/Maemo_themes/LCARS_complete
Jan 14 13:54:06 <playya> brb food
Jan 14 13:54:39 <pespin> I'm using efenniht here.
Jan 14 13:55:08 <playya> me too. on the PC
Jan 14 13:55:26 * pespin using efenniht everywhere he can, including PC too :P
Jan 14 13:55:44 <pespin> wow this LCARS theme i awesome xD
Jan 14 13:56:14 <mickey|office> playya: awesome, now it would be cool, if the FSO installer would install this boot menu 
Jan 14 14:14:33 <playya> on the todo list
Jan 14 14:18:12 <playya> pespin, the env for fingersize is ELM_FINGERSIZE?
Jan 14 14:20:38 <pespin> playya, export ELM_FINGER_SIZE=50
Jan 14 14:20:45 <pespin> you have it in /etc/profile.d/elementary.sh
Jan 14 14:23:07 <playya> better: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1982ed55aba0890d20a6823c1c7d204d.png
Jan 14 14:26:38 <playya> but we might need some adjustments in the theme or elementary: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e9e7a1769f03a9d8d7dab729915fa09b.png
Jan 14 14:30:35 <morphis> playya: is this image from you: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0b38d63a807de4c2ea9cf811a2ccaf12.png ?
Jan 14 14:32:39 <playya> morphis, yes
Jan 14 14:32:51 <playya> but i cannot scroll atm :(
Jan 14 14:33:36 <playya> it shows the bars, but doesn't update the page
Jan 14 14:33:55 <pespin> playya, uhm that was a known bug, but was already solved afaik
Jan 14 14:34:06 <GarthPS> playya, morphis: what is new about tslib ?  / what is the next step ? / which patch where for a general point of view not just now for me
Jan 14 14:34:11 <playya> ok. building image
Jan 14 14:34:33 <playya> GarthPS, next patch: pending pull request
Jan 14 14:35:10 <GarthPS> playya: from you about tslibinto OE that waht you mean
Jan 14 14:36:09 <playya> our tslib into upstream
Jan 14 14:36:34 <playya> you can remove the patch and switch to my tslib branch
Jan 14 14:37:09 <GarthPS> playya: ok you think I can wait a bit because it should be before the end of the day or should i patch my local build ?
Jan 14 14:37:39 <playya> i don't know how motivated kergoth ist :)
Jan 14 14:37:43 <playya> -t
Jan 14 14:37:53 <GarthPS> playya: you mean by adding a new recipe of tslib into my recipes ?
Jan 14 14:38:04 <playya> no
Jan 14 14:38:19 <playya> sed s/kergoth/playya/
Jan 14 14:38:26 <playya> remove palmpre patch
Jan 14 14:38:35 <GarthPS> playya: do biest deutch auch? ( it rest me a very litle germain skill)
Jan 14 14:38:47 <playya> ja
Jan 14 14:38:54 <Weiss> daniele_athome: what's up?
Jan 14 14:38:59 <Weiss> daniele_athome: 16bpp should be the default..
Jan 14 14:39:01 <playya> where do you live in france?
Jan 14 14:39:14 <GarthPS> playya: Brest ! :)
Jan 14 14:39:21 <GarthPS> the far west!
Jan 14 14:40:03 <playya> ah. ok. too far away ;)
Jan 14 14:40:21 <GarthPS> playya: what for  ?
Jan 14 14:40:31 <playya> to debug palm pre
Jan 14 14:40:36 <playya> brb
Jan 14 14:41:04 <daniele_athome> Weiss, ah ok
Jan 14 14:42:43 <GarthPS> playya: how debuging it ?
Jan 14 14:57:14 <mrmoku> mickey|office: do you have some link to vala doc explaining how to use external c for the netlink stuff?
Jan 14 14:59:29 <playya> GarthPS, take a look at /etc/default/volatiles/00_core
Jan 14 15:00:19 <GarthPS> playya: right now commenting the mount line about var/volatile/log in fastab did not work for me  still no log!
Jan 14 15:02:36 <GarthPS> playya: If I want to return to a proper tslib (bevause I did patches in everyway...) I just do "make update" with the shr-Makefile right ?
Jan 14 15:04:30 <playya> yes
Jan 14 15:04:56 <playya> but afaik it doesn't compile
Jan 14 15:04:56 <mrmoku> mickey|office: something like this: http://osdir.com/ml/vala-list/2010-03/msg00117.html ?
Jan 14 15:05:26 <GarthPS> playya: yop I know :) I want to follow your guid to fix tslib build
Jan 14 15:05:39 <JaMa> daniele_athome: almost done, building rootfs then sync
Jan 14 15:05:42 <playya> mrmoku, either write a vapi or use extern
Jan 14 15:05:44 <GarthPS> playya: so what did you do you about that  ?
Jan 14 15:05:50 <daniele_athome> ok
Jan 14 15:06:02 <mrmoku> playya: yeah, extern
Jan 14 15:06:14 <mrmoku> looks like being quite simple :-)
Jan 14 15:06:21 <playya> ok. reset everything and use my tslib branch and remove the patch
Jan 14 15:06:23 <GarthPS> you said "sed s/kergoth/playya/" so you mean i need to replace the url fetched in the tslib recipe ?
Jan 14 15:06:34 <playya> yes
Jan 14 15:07:23 <playya> brb shower
Jan 14 15:07:28 <JaMa> GarthPS: put SRCREV_palmpre = "5243db505b109df3001f" there
Jan 14 15:08:25 <GarthPS> JaMa: where ? and should not it be  SRCREV_palmpre2 ? for me  as I build for palmpre2 ?
Jan 14 15:10:29 <JaMa> GarthPS: that's what I'm using now on shr buildhost to build palmpre images before someone fixes it in OE, and because there is SRC_URI_append_palmpre, I care only about _palmpre override
Jan 14 15:10:54 <JaMa> GarthPS: but I didn't read whole backlog.. so maybe you're trying a bit more than just build it :)
Jan 14 15:11:56 <mrmoku> mickey|office: next question would be how to pass a callback to the external code
Jan 14 15:11:56 <GarthPS> JaMa: yeah  but ok I think I 've got  it
Jan 14 15:14:55 <playya> mrmoku, callback? c signature please :)
Jan 14 15:16:03 <mrmoku> playya: for netlink stuff we want to use a piece of c code... that has to call vala code on netlink events
Jan 14 15:16:13 <mrmoku> signature unknown yet
Jan 14 15:16:58 <JaMa> there are new jffs2 ubi images prepared by new mtd-utils version, hopefully they will work ok
Jan 14 15:17:27 <JaMa> finally no segfault in dmesg after building shr-full-image for gta01's small nand
Jan 14 15:17:30 <mrmoku> basically it will be one call from vala into cd to startup netlink with a callback as param
Jan 14 15:17:43 <playya> [CCode (type = "void (*)(void*)")]
Jan 14 15:17:52 <mrmoku> and that call from c into vala on nl events
Jan 14 15:18:04 <mrmoku> hmm
Jan 14 15:18:05 <playya> public delegate NetlinkCallback();
Jan 14 15:18:29 <playya> if it has a data pointer
Jan 14 15:20:30 <mrmoku> playya: great, that looks like being what I need, thx
Jan 14 16:05:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> hmmm
Jan 14 16:05:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> xorg calibration was lost on htc dream
Jan 14 16:05:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> I opkg upgraded what I built and it uncalibrated the screen
Jan 14 16:23:51 <playya> what's shr's preffered xkeyboard-config?
Jan 14 16:25:47 <playya> hmm. looks like the the patch for the pre is missing
Jan 14 16:43:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah? it works now(I removed the calibration stuff from xorg.xonf
Jan 14 16:43:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> playya, the one I added recently, the git version
Jan 14 16:43:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> playya, if you need palm-pre specific stuff machine arch it
Jan 14 17:03:12 <mrmoku> hmm
Jan 14 17:03:25 <mrmoku> now there is something I don't understand :P
Jan 14 17:03:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> such as?
Jan 14 17:03:42 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: all of the stuff we're doing in lowlevel_nokia900 is in libisi too
Jan 14 17:03:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah?
Jan 14 17:04:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> are you sure?
Jan 14 17:04:21 * mrmoku needs to read further into libisi
Jan 14 17:04:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, first I'd like to know the status, so....
Jan 14 17:04:34 <mrmoku> at least the files from ofono are there...
Jan 14 17:04:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> telephony is supposed to work on all devices but nokia900
Jan 14 17:04:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> right?
Jan 14 17:04:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> so that's solved
Jan 14 17:04:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> so back to n900 work right?
Jan 14 17:05:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> what's the kernel status?
Jan 14 17:05:35 <mrmoku> modem->link = g_pn_netlink_start(modem->idx, netlink_status_cb, cbd); 
Jan 14 17:05:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> you plan to work on libisi and not the kernel? maybe that's best
Jan 14 17:05:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jan 14 17:05:51 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: I'm trying to work everywhere :P
Jan 14 17:06:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> I bet mainly because I'm gone
Jan 14 17:06:15 <mrmoku> and yes, telephony is supposed to work
Jan 14 17:06:24 <mrmoku> apart from n900 :/
Jan 14 17:06:32 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: don't feel guilty :-)
Jan 14 17:06:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> every people and his brother wants replicant on his phone....
Jan 14 17:07:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> *their phone
Jan 14 17:07:08 <mrmoku> heh
Jan 14 17:07:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> so there are some people porting it
Jan 14 17:07:12 <mrmoku> not me ;)
Jan 14 17:07:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes I know
Jan 14 17:07:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> and theses people need help
Jan 14 17:07:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, you have sre's xmpp address?
Jan 14 17:07:53 <mrmoku> regarding kernel on n900... I wanted to wait a bit if there will be some nice upstream update
Jan 14 17:08:10 <mrmoku> a bit being some days
Jan 14 17:08:11 <mrmoku> not weeks
Jan 14 17:08:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> there are 3 solutions:
Jan 14 17:08:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2.6.28, 2.6.35, 2.6.37
Jan 14 17:08:35 <mrmoku> I would like to rule out the middle one
Jan 14 17:08:39 <mrmoku> does not make much sense
Jan 14 17:09:00 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2.6.35 has camera, that's the only advantage
Jan 14 17:09:05 <mrmoku> btw. next meego has decided for a kernel based on 2.6.37
Jan 14 17:09:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> nice
Jan 14 17:09:24 <mrmoku> and the kernel repo already has 2.6.37 stuff
Jan 14 17:10:06 <mrmoku> though I prefer to use the nokia one... as that's a nice git tree specifically for n900
Jan 14 17:10:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jan 14 17:10:14 <mrmoku> and not a bunch of patches we have to sort out
Jan 14 17:10:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jan 14 17:10:38 <mrmoku>  * [new branch]      2.6.37-n900 -> nokia/2.6.37-n900
Jan 14 17:10:44 <mrmoku> just fetched that :-)
Jan 14 17:10:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> so you're against 2.6.35, that has screen issues
Jan 14 17:10:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jan 14 17:11:01 <mrmoku> let's see if it has camera too
Jan 14 17:11:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jan 14 17:13:09 <mrmoku> no :/
Jan 14 17:13:20 <mrmoku> if that is not merged mainline
Jan 14 17:13:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> look here:
Jan 14 17:13:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> for the features
Jan 14 17:13:54 <GarthPS> I have python building issue here http://tinderbox.openembedded.org/public/logs/task/19348546.txt about checking getaddrinfo bug... buggy
Jan 14 17:13:54 <GarthPS> Fatal: You must get working getaddrinfo() function.
Jan 14 17:13:54 <GarthPS>        or you can specify "--disable-ipv6"
Jan 14 17:14:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Nokia900_Kernels
Jan 14 17:14:12 <GarthPS> did someone have already seen taht ?
Jan 14 17:14:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> what makes the most sense
Jan 14 17:14:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2.6.28 has only theses problems:
Jan 14 17:14:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> *no devtmpfs
Jan 14 17:15:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> *gpio buttons
Jan 14 17:15:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> *accelerometers
Jan 14 17:15:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's rather minimal 
Jan 14 17:15:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2.6.35 has:
Jan 14 17:15:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> *touchscreen issues(unusable with fingers and really frustrating)
Jan 14 17:15:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> *no DVFS(battely life is horrible)
Jan 14 17:15:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> *no bluetooth/wifi coexistance
Jan 14 17:16:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2.6.36 has no camera but DVFS
Jan 14 17:16:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> oops
Jan 14 17:16:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2.6.37 has no camera but could have DVFS if we spend time on it
Jan 14 17:16:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> and touchscreen works fine
Jan 14 17:16:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> and same bluetooth/wifi issue
Jan 14 17:16:57 <mrmoku> there is a git tree for the camera somewhere too I think
Jan 14 17:19:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's merged in 2.6.35
Jan 14 17:19:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> so that git tree disapeared
Jan 14 17:19:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> but it depend on non-mainline stuff
Jan 14 17:19:46 <mrmoku> ahh ok
Jan 14 17:19:56 * mrmoku is being called for dinner
Jan 14 17:20:00 <mrmoku> bbl
Jan 14 17:21:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Jan 14 17:55:44 <GarthPS> palmpre guys, did you have trouble with python building shr image ?
Jan 14 18:01:40 <GarthPS> ok added --disable-ipv6 \ to python.inc as the proposed patch into the oe ML
Jan 14 18:04:23 <playya_> afaik GNUtoo|laptop s isue
Jan 14 18:05:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> ?
Jan 14 18:05:42 <playya_> afaik GNUtoo|laptop stumbled over the same issue
Jan 14 18:05:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> what issue?
Jan 14 18:05:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> python?
Jan 14 18:05:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> no
Jan 14 18:06:01 <playya_> --disable-ipv6
Jan 14 18:06:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> I didn't have that issue
Jan 14 18:06:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> no
Jan 14 18:06:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> I had another issue
Jan 14 18:06:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> with libnl1
Jan 14 18:06:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> and libnl2
Jan 14 18:06:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> conflicts
Jan 14 18:07:50 <playya_> oh. fso packages?
Jan 14 18:09:04 <nschle85> hello, configure of python fails: getaddrinfo bug... buggy , what can i do ?
Jan 14 18:14:27 <nschle85> JaMa: happy new year ! question is getaddrinfo implemented in eglibc ?
Jan 14 18:18:00 <playya_> nschle85, add --disable-ipv6 to python.inc
Jan 14 18:20:35 * GarthPS going to mouve his *ss and going to do some climbing. bbl
Jan 14 18:21:13 <nschle85> playya_: does it make sense to make the change in oe repository ?
Jan 14 18:31:16 <playya_> there's a discussion on the ML nschle85 
Jan 14 18:32:03 <nschle85> playya_: oe or shr mailing list ?
Jan 14 18:32:19 <playya_> OE
Jan 14 18:32:47 <nschle85> playya_: ok so the problem is not shr specific, right ?
Jan 14 18:32:54 <playya_> yes
Jan 14 18:33:41 <nschle85> playya_: thank you
Jan 14 19:35:50 <daniele_athome> JaMa: http://patchwork.dev.bearstech.com/patch/845/
Jan 14 19:35:52 <daniele_athome> please ;)
Jan 14 19:47:23 <JaMa> daniele_athome: mark it applied please
Jan 14 19:48:04 <daniele_athome> JaMa, accepted is ok?
Jan 14 19:48:25 <daniele_athome> done
Jan 14 19:49:45 <nschle85> JaMa: why configure of python fails ? is the method really buggy or is the libc (?) compiled without ipv6 support ?
Jan 14 19:56:07 <JaMa> nschle85: check that OE thread
Jan 14 19:56:45 <JaMa> nschle85: eglibc patch allowed distros to select enabled eglibc featues, but all should be enabled by default and something went wrong..
Jan 14 19:56:57 <JaMa> daniele_athome: yes accepted is fine
Jan 14 19:57:05 <JaMa> daniele_athome: already pushed
Jan 14 19:58:07 * JaMa gtg again
Jan 14 19:58:09 <JaMa> bye all
Jan 14 19:59:25 <nschle85> JaMa: bye, but eglibc was not build before python .... 
Jan 14 20:02:55 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: btw. what about xrandr and rotation on n900?
Jan 14 20:03:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> do we really need that?
Jan 14 20:03:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> I mean we would have to modify xf86-video-omapfb
Jan 14 20:03:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> and write the code ourselves
Jan 14 20:03:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> the rotation driver of nokia depends on non-free 3d
Jan 14 20:03:58 <mrmoku> grr
Jan 14 20:04:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> I bet it's the same for pandora
Jan 14 20:06:58 <nschle85> mrmoku: GNUtoo|laptop: may I disturb ? I am looking for a new phone because my Freerunner has too many hardware bugs. Is the Shr on N900 able to make/receive  phone calls ? is GPS working ? and is loading battery possible ?
Jan 14 20:07:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> charging battery yes
Jan 14 20:07:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> calls + GPS not yet
Jan 14 20:08:35 <mrmoku> nschle85: consider the GTA04
Jan 14 20:09:00 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: are you sure rotation does not work? maybe just not with xrandr...
Jan 14 20:10:21 <nschle85> mrmoku: when will the GTA04 hardware be delivered ? 
Jan 14 20:11:01 <mrmoku> nschle85: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/
Jan 14 20:11:47 <mrmoku> nschle85: so right now there is the 'early adaptor program'
Jan 14 20:12:40 <mrmoku> estimated delivery for the first upgrade boards is february/march
Jan 14 20:12:47 <mrmoku> mickeyl: hey
Jan 14 20:12:48 <mickeyl> mrmoku: wah, sflphone is a beast. it has even more dependencies than FSO :) that aside, do you know about a getting started guide for it (preferably for someone who never did voip)?
Jan 14 20:13:06 <mrmoku> mickeyl: hehe, building it is a beast, yeah
Jan 14 20:13:13 <mrmoku> like most voip apps :/
Jan 14 20:13:21 <nschle85> mrmoku: are there any actions to port shr on GTA04 ?
Jan 14 20:13:32 <mrmoku> nschle85: sure, it will be ported
Jan 14 20:13:38 <mickeyl> mrmoku: what's the simplest way for me to be able to do test calls so that i can see that things are working?
Jan 14 20:13:48 <mickeyl> (i.e. where do i need to register for a sip account etc.)
Jan 14 20:13:54 <mrmoku> mickeyl: there are some scripts in the repo... let me check
Jan 14 20:14:37 <mrmoku> mickeyl: tools/sflphone-callto
Jan 14 20:14:39 <mrmoku> would be one
Jan 14 20:14:48 <mrmoku> ahh
Jan 14 20:15:03 <mrmoku> mickeyl: sipgate.de offers free sip accounts
Jan 14 20:15:24 <mrmoku> mickeyl: or sflphone itself I think
Jan 14 20:15:35 <mickeyl> ok, thanks i'll take a look there
Jan 14 20:15:48 <mickeyl> i got everything to build for x86, in OE it's a bit differently though
Jan 14 20:15:55 <mickeyl> struggling w/ dbus-cxx 0.7 atm.
Jan 14 20:15:57 <nschle85> mrmoku: but howto explain my wife to buy the next phone which will not work 100%
Jan 14 20:16:05 <mickeyl> that gives me a sh*itload of errors in .h files
Jan 14 20:16:49 <mrmoku> mickeyl: HeinervdmOff was struggling yesterday
Jan 14 20:17:04 <mrmoku> and yes, dbus-cxx was one of his problems :P
Jan 14 20:17:19 <mrmoku> something like it did not install the lib itself
Jan 14 20:17:21 <mrmoku> just some wrapper
Jan 14 20:17:27 <mickeyl> hmm
Jan 14 20:17:33 <mickeyl> that sounds like it does compile for him
Jan 14 20:17:39 <mrmoku> if you want I have the tarball with his work from yesterday
Jan 14 20:17:45 <mickeyl> yes, plese
Jan 14 20:18:35 <mrmoku> hmm
Jan 14 20:18:41 <mrmoku> I thought i have it :/
Jan 14 20:18:43 <mrmoku> can't find it
Jan 14 20:18:46 <mrmoku> find running
Jan 14 20:19:00 <mrmoku> as I know myself I wegetted to some folder somehwere :P
Jan 14 20:19:03 <mickeyl> hehe
Jan 14 20:19:08 <mickeyl> did he say that he patched dbus-cxx?
Jan 14 20:19:46 <mrmoku> hmm, not sure
Jan 14 20:20:06 <mickeyl> i'll try
Jan 14 20:20:43 <mrmoku> mickeyl: there is another thing I wanted to talk about :-)
Jan 14 20:21:03 <mrmoku> all the netlink stuff and state machine we are trying to integrate seems to be in libisi too
Jan 14 20:21:09 <mickeyl> really? 
Jan 14 20:21:17 <mickeyl> ok, then we better just use them from there
Jan 14 20:21:22 <mrmoku> yup
Jan 14 20:21:35 <mickeyl> doesn't change that we have to 'extern' them or write a vapi
Jan 14 20:21:41 <mrmoku> will poke around in libisi a bit to learn what's going on there
Jan 14 20:21:44 <mickeyl> right
Jan 14 20:21:56 <mickeyl> since we already have a vapi for libisi, we might as well add that
Jan 14 20:22:52 <mrmoku> yup
Jan 14 20:24:27 <mickeyl> ~lart GCC
Jan 14 20:24:28 * apt hits GCC with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha
Jan 14 20:24:32 <mickeyl> ~praise clang
Jan 14 20:24:33 <apt> All hail clang!
Jan 14 20:24:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, ah I'm not sure but xf86-video-fbdev has rotation
Jan 14 20:24:50 <mickeyl> g++ error reporting is so broken
Jan 14 20:26:22 <mrmoku> mickeyl: I'm sorry I can't find that damn tarball... looks like I did not download it :-(
Jan 14 20:26:41 * mrmoku considers going to a farmacy and shop for some pills to make his memory work again :P
Jan 14 20:27:17 <mickeyl> heh, np
Jan 14 20:27:31 <mickeyl> ok, now it fails differently
Jan 14 20:27:32 <mickeyl> interesting
Jan 14 20:27:36 * mickeyl patches more
Jan 14 20:28:44 <antrik> mrmoku: who need memery if there is shell history... ;-)
Jan 14 20:29:05 <antrik> s/if/when/
Jan 14 20:29:05 <apt> antrik meant: mrmoku: who need memery when there is shell history... ;-)
Jan 14 20:31:15 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: yo :)
Jan 14 20:31:34 <mrmoku> mickeyl: now you can get them here: http://heinervdm.dyndns.info/shr-beta-recipes/slfphone/
Jan 14 20:31:57 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: i gave you a zip file ;)
Jan 14 20:32:06 <mrmoku> antrik: problem is the other way round... I thought my browser or shell history has that... but hasn't
Jan 14 20:32:15 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: yeah, but I can't find it :/
Jan 14 20:32:18 <mickeyl> who defines weak_pointer?
Jan 14 20:32:33 <mickeyl> boost?
Jan 14 20:33:57 <Heinervdm> mrmoku: have you done sth about dbus-c++-native?
Jan 14 20:34:23 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: no. I'v been to a clients site unexpectedly... did not have time for anything :/
Jan 14 20:34:31 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: but mickeyl is trying his luck :)
Jan 14 20:34:55 <Heinervdm> it shouldn't be hard
Jan 14 20:35:08 <mickeyl> well
Jan 14 20:35:10 <mickeyl> fixing the bugs in dbus-cxx first
Jan 14 20:35:11 <Heinervdm> just convert it to BBCLASSEXTEND
Jan 14 20:35:19 <mickeyl> like, defining stuff that is not present
Jan 14 20:35:24 <mickeyl> hmm?
Jan 14 20:35:28 <mickeyl> dbus-cxx is not present yet in OE
Jan 14 20:35:39 <Heinervdm> dbus-c++
Jan 14 20:35:44 <mickeyl> that's something different
Jan 14 20:35:47 <mickeyl> afaik
Jan 14 20:35:57 <mrmoku> ohh
Jan 14 20:36:04 <mickeyl> there are a ton of dbus c++ bindings
Jan 14 20:36:10 <mickeyl> all incompatible
Jan 14 20:36:22 <mickeyl> what you want is dbus-cxx_0.7.0
Jan 14 20:36:26 <mickeyl> which i'm currently struggling
Jan 14 20:36:28 <mickeyl> with
Jan 14 20:36:55 <mrmoku> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/DBusBindings
Jan 14 20:37:00 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: mickeyl is right... different thing :P
Jan 14 20:37:15 <mrmoku> there was dbus-cpp... is dbus-c++ and dbus-cxx
Jan 14 20:37:35 <nschle85> GNUtoo|laptop: can you say when gps and making calls with N900 will work ? (i dont know what the current problems are)
Jan 14 20:37:41 <Heinervdm> but in sflphone configure.as is a check for dbus-c++
Jan 14 20:37:51 <mrmoku> http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbus-cplusplus/
Jan 14 20:37:57 <mrmoku> http://dbus-cxx.sourceforge.net/
Jan 14 20:38:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> nschle85, when someone would have copied ofono and imported it in fso
Jan 14 20:38:29 <mickeyl> s/copied/extracted the relevant parts out of/
Jan 14 20:38:32 <mickeyl> s/fso/libisi/
Jan 14 20:38:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> *fso+libisi
Jan 14 20:39:20 <Heinervdm> git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/dbus/dbus-c++/
Jan 14 20:39:32 <Heinervdm> this is the one used in sflphone
Jan 14 20:39:47 <mickeyl> hmm
Jan 14 20:39:51 <mickeyl> are you sure?
Jan 14 20:40:09 <mickeyl> i don't think i ever compiled that here 
Jan 14 20:40:13 <mickeyl> yet i could compile sflphone
Jan 14 20:40:34 <Heinervdm> sflphone ships an own copy of that lib
Jan 14 20:41:03 <Heinervdm> and in the libs dir is a README that tells that they cloned that from there on 30.09.2008
Jan 14 20:41:08 <nschle85> GNUtoo|laptop: I understand, is there nobody interested in importing ofono in fso ? 
Jan 14 20:41:16 <mickeyl> 2008??? omg
Jan 14 20:41:21 <Heinervdm> yes
Jan 14 20:41:23 <mickeyl> nschle85: lack of manpower
Jan 14 20:41:35 <GNUtoo|laptop> nschle85, everybody is but nobody wants to do it
Jan 14 20:41:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> because we lack manpower
Jan 14 20:41:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> as said mickeyl 
Jan 14 20:41:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, will do it tough
Jan 14 20:42:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> if he has time 
Jan 14 20:42:09 <mrmoku> or womenpower
Jan 14 20:42:09 <Heinervdm> mickeyl: https://projects.savoirfairelinux.com/projects/sflphone/repository/revisions/master/entry/sflphone-common/libs/README.dbus
Jan 14 20:42:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> because he's busy with more stuff
Jan 14 20:42:16 <nschle85> GNUtoo|laptop: I have a lot of manpower but I am not able to do it :-)
Jan 14 20:42:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> nschle85, it's pretty simple
Jan 14 20:42:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> but long
Jan 14 20:43:35 <mickeyl> hah!
Jan 14 20:43:36 <mickeyl> i won
Jan 14 20:43:43 <mickeyl> NOTE: package dbus-cxx-0.7.0-r0: task do_build: Succeeded
Jan 14 20:43:44 <Heinervdm> mickeyl: but that readme lies as this comment shows: 21.12.2010 17:48 Alexandre Savard [#4784] Update dbus-c++ version from gitorious
Jan 14 20:43:47 <mickeyl> no matter whether we need it or not
Jan 14 20:43:50 <mickeyl> it compiles now :D
Jan 14 20:43:56 <nschle85> GNUtoo|laptop: I am able to compile working code, but i do not understand all the dependencies here (shr, oe, fso ..)
Jan 14 20:44:24 <nschle85> GNUtoo|laptop: so bitbake itself is a mysterium for me
Jan 14 20:48:31 <nschle85> GNUtoo|laptop: so I decided to support the project with bug reports and user level documentation ... but at the moment i have no working image :-(
Jan 14 20:50:10 * GNUtoo|laptop is too tired
Jan 14 20:56:12 <nschle85> mrmoku: does the first time wizard of shr N900 behave different of the one for freerunner (user level) ?
Jan 14 20:57:53 <mrmoku> nschle85: no
Jan 14 20:59:17 <nschle85> ok so I'll use the same screen shots in documentation (I think resolution is different)
Jan 14 20:59:51 <mrmoku> nschle85: yeah, it behaves the same, but of course resolution is different :-)
Jan 14 21:03:05 <nschle85> mrmoku: some minutes ago, you talked about rotation on N900, I think auto rotation is very useful, I miss this feature on shr , in old openmoko software the feature was already implemented
Jan 14 21:05:18 <Heinervdm> hmm, this looks very wrong: /lib/ld-linux.so.3: No such file or directory
Jan 14 21:06:55 <nschle85> mrmoku: Urgent: install: cannot stat `/home/nschle85/shr-build/shr-unstable/tmp/sysroots/armv4t-oe-linux-gnueabi/usr/include/linux/i2c-dev-user.h': No such file or directory
Jan 14 21:07:26 <nschle85> mrmoku: what can I do ?
Jan 14 21:08:51 <mrmoku> nschle85: building what?
Jan 14 21:09:38 <nschle85> mrmoku: fsodeviced_git.bb
Jan 14 21:10:05 <mrmoku> nschle85: is you tree up to date? current fsodeviced should not need that anymore
Jan 14 21:10:51 <mrmoku> nschle85: what rev is it building?
Jan 14 21:11:25 <nschle85> mrmoku: fsodeviced-2_0.9.4+gitr0+9e5ec26d3ceb6aa33242befd9af7322d7d66a8ab-r4.20
Jan 14 21:11:38 <nschle85> mrmoku:  ill update and try again
Jan 14 21:12:11 <mrmoku> nschle85: hmm
Jan 14 21:12:27 <mrmoku> mickeyl: does fsodeviced still need i2c-dev-user.h ?
Jan 14 21:12:50 <mickeyl> nope
Jan 14 21:13:07 <mrmoku> hmm
Jan 14 21:13:30 <mrmoku> 9e5ec26d3ceb6aa33242befd9af7322d7d66a8ab is after that include all i2c commit
Jan 14 21:14:18 <mickeyl> that i2c-dev-user line can vanish completely
Jan 14 21:14:24 <mickeyl> i added it as a bandaid
Jan 14 21:14:57 <nschle85> i can clean fsodeviced and build again
Jan 14 21:18:07 <nschle85> mrmoku: still same error
Jan 14 21:20:07 <mickeyl> did you remove the line?
Jan 14 21:20:54 <nschle85> mickeyl: who did revome which line ?
Jan 14 21:21:01 <mickeyl> you, the i2c-dev-user line
Jan 14 21:22:05 <nschle85> mickeyl: no, I compile from repository without chnages
Jan 14 21:22:13 <mickeyl> i see
Jan 14 21:22:15 <mickeyl> well
Jan 14 21:22:20 <mickeyl> <mickeyl> that i2c-dev-user line can vanish completely
Jan 14 21:22:20 <mickeyl> <mickeyl> i added it as a bandaid
Jan 14 21:22:55 <mickeyl> I'd do it in OE, but i'm working on something different atm.
Jan 14 21:23:00 <nschle85> mickeyl: what does bandaid mean ?
Jan 14 21:23:06 <mickeyl> temporary workaround
Jan 14 21:23:37 <nschle85> mickeyl: please tell me the file and the line
Jan 14 21:23:54 <mickeyl> recipe/freesmartphone/*fsodeviced*
Jan 14 21:24:01 <mickeyl> the only line that mentions i2c-dev-user
Jan 14 21:24:06 <nschle85> ok
Jan 14 21:24:35 <mrmoku> mickeyl: I wonder why it builds on the buildhost though
Jan 14 21:25:03 <nschle85> mrmoku: I very often wonder about your build host !
Jan 14 21:25:13 <mickeyl> mrmoku: karma
Jan 14 21:25:22 <mrmoku> hehe, or slowness :P
Jan 14 21:25:48 <mrmoku> probably JaMa|Off fixing stuff behind my neck ;)
Jan 14 21:26:25 <mrmoku> mickeyl: should I commit that ?
Jan 14 21:26:29 <mrmoku> (removing i2c)
Jan 14 21:26:35 <mickeyl> yes, thanks
Jan 14 21:26:38 <mrmoku> ok
Jan 14 21:29:46 <mrmoku> mickeyl: want me to get some pills for you too ? :P
Jan 14 21:29:47 <mrmoku> fsodeviced: i2c-tools no longer a dependency; everything necessary included in fsodeviced itself
Jan 14 21:30:01 <mrmoku> Autor: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer 
Jan 14 21:30:07 <mickeyl> ya, removed the dependency, but forgot to remove the i2c-user-dev line
Jan 14 21:30:13 <mrmoku> hmm
Jan 14 21:30:18 <mickeyl> :)
Jan 14 21:30:25 <mickeyl> do_configure_prepend()...
Jan 14 21:30:36 <mrmoku> mickeyl: just blind
Jan 14 21:30:49 * mrmoku wonders if they sell anti-blindness pills too :/
Jan 14 21:30:52 <mickeyl> hehe
Jan 14 21:30:59 <mickeyl> it's just late
Jan 14 21:31:00 <mickeyl> don't worry
Jan 14 21:31:10 * mickeyl patches commoncpp 1.8.1
Jan 14 21:32:03 <Heinervdm> hmm dbus-c++ is staged to /usr/include/dbus-c++-1/dbus-c++/ but it includes in the autogenerated files <dbus-c++/dbus.h>
Jan 14 21:32:25 <Heinervdm> is dbus-c++-1 added by an OE thing?
Jan 14 21:32:44 <mickeyl> i don't think so
Jan 14 21:32:44 <mrmoku> nschle85: pushed the fixed recipe... you can just update
Jan 14 21:33:14 * mickeyl pushes a couple of updates
Jan 14 21:33:25 <mrmoku> Heinervdm: it probably just has -I/usr/include/dbus-c++-1 ?
Jan 14 21:33:48 <mickeyl> Heinervdm: can you push libzrpcpp? 
Jan 14 21:33:52 <nschle85> mrmoku: got the update, now I am building
Jan 14 21:33:58 <Heinervdm> mickeyl: ok
Jan 14 21:33:59 <mickeyl> 1.4.6 doesn't compile here
Jan 14 21:34:03 <mickeyl> so i guess yours does
Jan 14 21:34:19 <Heinervdm> 1.4.6 was from me too :)
Jan 14 21:34:22 <mickeyl> spring time cleanup :)
Jan 14 21:35:15 <mrmoku> mickeyl: regarding libisi... I'm probably just confused and it's the client side of the stuff
Jan 14 21:35:26 <mickeyl> mrmoku: ok
Jan 14 21:35:36 <mrmoku> so I will continue with netlink.c
Jan 14 21:35:40 <mickeyl> mrmoku: good
Jan 14 21:35:48 <mickeyl> did you extern stuff work out so far?
Jan 14 21:35:53 <mrmoku> did not build yet
Jan 14 21:35:55 <mickeyl> k
Jan 14 21:36:09 <mickeyl> i didn't know how flaky c++ stuff is
Jan 14 21:36:10 <mickeyl> man
Jan 14 21:36:11 <mickeyl> *sigh*
Jan 14 21:36:20 <mrmoku> the extern stuff is quite straight forward... the public delegate callback will be more interesting
Jan 14 21:36:38 <mickeyl> right
Jan 14 21:36:47 <mickeyl> we might end up writing a small vapi for that
Jan 14 21:36:58 <mickeyl> but anyways, lets see how far we come with the externs
Jan 14 21:37:02 <mrmoku> ok
Jan 14 21:39:38 <nschle85> mickeyl: Dr. Lauer, thank you, now it compiles :-)
Jan 14 21:39:52 <mickeyl> you're welcome :)
Jan 14 21:40:39 <mickeyl> to answer your question... i do believe that within the next couple of months we have gps and calls working on the n900
Jan 14 21:41:00 <mickeyl> there are some tough hurdles to take for that, but still
Jan 14 21:41:43 <dos1> nschle85: there is one addintional wizard page on N900 and HTC Dream
Jan 14 21:42:10 <dos1> nschle85: related to firmwares - it just shows URL with information about downloading and installing them ;)
Jan 14 21:42:25 <[Rui]> hi all
Jan 14 21:43:31 <mrmoku> dos1: really? since when? :;P
Jan 14 21:43:34 <mrmoku> ahh
Jan 14 21:43:50 <mrmoku> I remember to have seen something like that... just a note to copy, right?
Jan 14 21:43:58 <dos1> yup
Jan 14 21:45:11 <nschle85> dos1: can you send me please a screenshot of it ? (and after which page it occures )
Jan 14 21:45:17 * mrmoku does not see it often as he always presses 'Exit wizard' ;)
Jan 14 21:45:17 <mrmoku> dos1: btw. do I have to be carefull now when driving through poland?
Jan 14 21:46:26 <nschle85> dos1: I am driving every year thru poland, Should I know something ... ?
Jan 14 21:47:09 <dos1> mrmoku: when exactly?
Jan 14 21:47:12 <dos1> but i don't think so
Jan 14 21:47:28 <mrmoku> dos1: I mean... did you get your license? ;)
Jan 14 21:47:37 <dos1> mrmoku: aaaah :D
Jan 14 21:47:54 <dos1> mrmoku: not yet :]
Jan 14 21:48:01 <mrmoku> ok :P
Jan 14 21:48:12 <dos1> you're still safe :D
Jan 14 21:50:43 <nschle85> mrmoku: keep care about signs about broken streets... The sign tells always the truth !
Jan 14 21:51:43 <mrmoku> nschle85: actually I don't have any plans to go to poland... just wanted to know if dos1 will be able to come to FSOSHRUDCON11
Jan 14 21:51:46 <mrmoku> :)
Jan 14 21:52:03 <mickeyl> oh yeah
Jan 14 21:52:09 <mickeyl> this year we should really really do one
Jan 14 21:52:15 <mickeyl> so many news, so many hardware projects...
Jan 14 21:52:30 <mrmoku> yup
Jan 14 21:52:41 <dos1> next exam on 1st Feb
Jan 14 21:52:46 <dos1> so it's still possible ;)
Jan 14 21:52:50 <mickeyl> (and a nice excuse to leave Sabine alone with a crying baby *cough*)
Jan 14 21:53:03 <mickeyl> naaah ;)
Jan 14 21:53:43 <mickeyl> hmm
Jan 14 21:53:45 <mickeyl> ERROR: Fetch failed: Unable to fetch URL http://www.gnutelephony.org/dist/tarballs/libzrtpcpp-1.5.3.tar.gz from any source.
Jan 14 21:53:55 <nschle85> google does not find the event
Jan 14 21:54:19 <Heinervdm> mickeyl: have they moved it since yesterday?
Jan 14 21:54:23 <mickeyl> heh
Jan 14 21:54:24 <mickeyl> yeah
Jan 14 21:54:27 <mickeyl> they released 1.6
Jan 14 21:54:29 <mickeyl> _today_ 
Jan 14 21:54:29 <nschle85> google does not find the event
Jan 14 21:54:47 <Heinervdm> and ccrtp too
Jan 14 21:54:47 <mickeyl> and ccrtp 1.8.0
Jan 14 21:54:49 <mickeyl> yep
Jan 14 21:54:53 <Heinervdm> grr
Jan 14 21:54:54 <mickeyl> so... time to update ;)
Jan 14 21:54:56 * mickeyl chuckles
Jan 14 21:55:34 <mrmoku> nschle85: no wonder... guess you have to wait until tomorrow... as this was the first nomination of FSOSHRUDCON11 ever... as far as I know ;)
Jan 14 21:55:54 <mrmoku> tomorrow google will have cached this discussion... so you will find it :P
Jan 14 21:57:25 <nschle85> can anybody see me or is my irc client out of order ..?
Jan 14 21:57:44 <mrmoku> huh?
Jan 14 21:58:04 <mrmoku> 22:51 < mrmoku> nschle85: no wonder... guess you have to wait until tomorrow... as this was the first nomination of FSOSHRUDCON11 ever... as far as I know ;)
Jan 14 21:58:07 <mrmoku> 22:51 < mrmoku> tomorrow google will have cached this discussion... so you will find it :P
Jan 14 21:58:54 <nschle85> I am back, Kvirc did not work
Jan 14 22:00:07 <nschle85> mrmoku: in summer iam in estonia so poland is a little bit far away
Jan 14 22:00:50 <nschle85> mrmoku: finnland may be nice :-)
Jan 14 22:03:59 <[Rui]> JaMa|Off: if you notice this, I've just committed the code that makes elmdentica's azy patch in shr-u unnecessary
Jan 14 22:05:19 <nschle85> dos1: please send me the a screenshot of additional screen in first time wizard
Jan 14 22:05:21 <dos1> nschle85: he asked about Poland because I live there ;)
Jan 14 22:05:33 <dos1> nschle85: well, please ping me tomorrow
Jan 14 22:05:35 * mrmoku proposes munich :)
Jan 14 22:06:29 <nschle85> mrmoku: munich i am still living but not in summer :-)
Jan 14 22:06:48 <[Rui]> munich circa oktoberfest and you bought me ;)
Jan 14 22:07:29 <nschle85> [Rui]: I have a comfotable couch ....
Jan 14 22:08:25 <[Rui]> joking, this year's not a good year for travelling
Jan 14 22:08:41 <nschle85> [Rui]: why ?
Jan 14 22:08:52 <[Rui]> nschle85: newborn :)
Jan 14 22:09:19 <nschle85> dos1: where do you life in Poland ?
Jan 14 22:09:56 <[Rui]> Oktoberfest is at a not-very-cold-yet time, I'd love to go there to visit and also meet some friends over there by then... (good partyers) :) so, if it was near it... 
Jan 14 22:10:04 <nschle85> [Rui]: we have one too (on monday he is 5 month old)
Jan 14 22:10:32 <[Rui]> nschle85: really? :) mine is 5 mo on Wed :)
Jan 14 22:10:51 <[Rui]> nschle85: grats :)
Jan 14 22:11:09 <nschle85> [Rui]: where are you from ? Gratulations too !
Jan 14 22:11:37 <[Rui]> nschle85: Portugal. Other problem is that flying from Portugal to anywhere is not cheap unless you buy with a lot of advance time (and then... depending where on Europe)
Jan 14 22:12:08 <[Rui]> oh how I wished our airport was a central flying hub
Jan 14 22:13:22 <nschle85> [Rui]: we avoid flying with our Baby
Jan 14 22:14:38 <[Rui]> nschle85: not much of a choice if we want to go somewhere :) no nearby family
Jan 14 22:15:39 <nschle85> [Rui]: the family of me lives in Berlin and the parents of my wife live in Tallinn/Estonia
Jan 14 22:15:55 <[Rui]> that's a bit farther than in my case :L)
Jan 14 22:17:03 <nschle85> [Rui]: so we go to estonia by car ... (last time via Poland) via sweden/stockholm
Jan 14 22:17:23 <[Rui]> isn't that a lot more expensive (car fuel)?
Jan 14 22:17:52 <[Rui]> We went by car to Barcelone, 1200km, but we won't repeat that. It was nice but... a lot more expensive than if we had flown.
Jan 14 22:18:12 <dos1> nschle85: Greater Poland, Poznań
Jan 14 22:18:17 <nschle85> [Rui]: iam goging by Autogas (LPG) but i can take a lot of backage, and I am mobile there
Jan 14 22:18:44 <[Rui]> nschle85: when I went to Netherlands, I rented a car. Still a lot cheaper than driving there :)
Jan 14 22:18:50 <nschle85> dos1: we are always crossing it .-)
Jan 14 22:21:10 <nschle85> [Rui]: I am 3-4 weeks in estonia, so renting a car over this period is very expensive
Jan 14 22:21:18 <[Rui]> nschle85: oh, indeed.
Jan 14 22:22:16 <Heinervdm> ups, i wanted to change something in dbus-c++ before commiting it :-/
Jan 14 22:22:23 <nschle85> [Rui]: you are right, we should calculate all  every year
Jan 14 22:23:44 <[Rui]> nschle85: at least in Lisboa, if you work AND live in Lisboa it's cheaper to go by subway + taxi than owning a car until 6 years (only if you hold a car for longer than 6 years then it compensates)
Jan 14 22:23:52 <nschle85> [Rui]: in my department we have a project with a company from portugal :-)
Jan 14 22:24:34 <[Rui]> nschle85: I'm so sorry for you... ;)
Jan 14 22:24:49 <nschle85> [Rui]: no !
Jan 14 22:25:06 <nschle85> [Rui]: i think they are from Lissabon too
Jan 14 22:25:43 <[Rui]> nschle85: most tech companies are, except for local ones more oriented towards support
Jan 14 22:26:03 <[Rui]> nschle85: oh, so they're causing a good impression? great then :)
Jan 14 22:26:15 <[Rui]> maybe I'm just so disappointed with my own colleagues
Jan 14 22:27:12 <nschle85> [Rui]: http://www.naval-technology.com/contractors/navigation/eid/
Jan 14 22:28:18 <[Rui]> nschle85: ah
Jan 14 22:28:45 <nschle85> [Rui]: you know that company ? 
Jan 14 22:28:50 <[Rui]> nopes
Jan 14 22:29:26 <[Rui]> but don't work in that area :) the company I work manages the portuguese payments network.
Jan 14 22:29:46 <nschle85> [Rui]: there is one disadvatage: they do everything under windows
Jan 14 22:30:39 <[Rui]> nschle85: no surprise there, my government keeps sending clear signals that "microsoft is good" with backroom deals suddenly announced as fait accomplit.
Jan 14 22:31:51 <nschle85> [Rui]: in munic we have LIMUX but no company cares about
Jan 14 22:36:04 <nschle85> [Rui]: now you know I am living in munic, if you plan to come here I can support you.
Jan 14 22:37:45 <[Rui]> nschle85: thanks, now I have two invitations :)
Jan 14 22:38:35 <nschle85> [Rui]: we should give the first one our babies :-)
Jan 14 22:38:56 <[Rui]> hehehe
Jan 14 22:41:56 <nschle85> [Rui]: we should keep in contact, now I have to play "Ski-Challenge11" its a ski simulating game very popular in Alpine Countries.
Jan 14 22:45:02 <[Rui]> nschle85: hehehe
Jan 14 22:45:21 <[Rui]> sure. but as I said, I doubt I'll travel anywhere. If you come here, ring a bell :)
Jan 14 22:46:11 <nschle85> [Rui]: can you drive ski ?
Jan 14 22:46:43 <[Rui]> nschle85: never done that, would love to try, but now I may be discovering a back problem, so probably not advised :)
Jan 14 22:48:32 <nschle85> [Rui]: ok, if you like to try I can organize a nice weekend in austria (i'd like to drive but I wont let my wife alone with baby...)
Jan 14 22:49:28 <nschle85> [Rui]: I know some nice places made for beginners
Jan 14 22:50:17 <[Rui]> :)
Jan 14 22:51:34 <nschle85> [Rui]: now I'll leave and boot into windows for playing Ski Challenge
Jan 14 22:52:06 <[Rui]> nschle85: you play SKi Challenge by jumping out your windows? ;)
Jan 14 22:52:41 <nschle85> [Rui]: my mail: normanschleicher@gmx.de
Jan 14 22:53:54 <nschle85> [Rui]: Playing ski Challenge is the reason for installing windows.
Jan 14 22:55:24 <nschle85> [Rui]: bye... i must bid my collegues...
Jan 14 22:55:46 <[Rui]> :)
Jan 14 22:57:41 <nschle85> [Rui]: is your baby rolling from back to baunch  (german: I mean Bauch)? 
Jan 14 22:59:04 <[Rui]> not yet, but loves to roll, fall and be caught from my belly to sideways
Jan 14 23:02:19 <nschle85> [Rui]: our baby can move from baunch to back since yesterday :-)
Jan 14 23:03:17 <[Rui]> hahaa
Jan 14 23:04:32 <nschle85> [Rui]: but now he sleeps until 02:30 :-(
Jan 14 23:05:05 <nschle85> [Rui]: some weeks ago he slept until 05:00
Jan 14 23:06:11 <[Rui]> that's a lot, at best 3.5 hours straight.
Jan 14 23:06:18 <[Rui]> still breast fed
Jan 14 23:08:10 <nschle85> [Rui]: :-)
Jan 14 23:08:34 <nschle85> [Rui]: we will have better time ....
Jan 14 23:08:46 <[Rui]> I long for it :)
Jan 14 23:09:03 <[Rui]> starting monday, I stay 1 mo at home
Jan 14 23:10:33 <nschle85> [Rui]: from 17.06. I ll stay 2 Month at home (travel to Tallinn)
Jan 14 23:11:05 <[Rui]> oh, I mean as a paternity leave
Jan 14 23:12:44 <nschle85> [Rui]: I mean too
Jan 14 23:13:09 <nschle85> [Rui]: but wel will visit the parents of my wife
Jan 14 23:13:11 <[Rui]> ah
Jan 14 23:15:10 <nschle85> [Rui]: in germany paternity leave is possible too.
Jan 14 23:15:30 <[Rui]> as rumour reaches us, in a much nicer way than here
Jan 14 23:15:52 <nschle85> [Rui]: what kind of rumour =
Jan 14 23:15:55 <nschle85> ?
Jan 14 23:17:50 <Heinervdm> libiax2 is 2 years old and unbuildable because of coding errors...
Jan 14 23:18:12 <antrik> [Rui]: owning a car *ever* becomes cheaper than using public transportation? that's very surprising. it's certainly not the case here in Berlin
Jan 14 23:20:21 <nschle85> antrik: I always drive by car. Its my kind of luxus
Jan 14 23:21:32 <[Rui]> nschle85: 1y maternity leave, possible for the parent to join in
Jan 14 23:22:24 <antrik> nschle85: that's actually debatable too... at least when living in a city like Berlin
Jan 14 23:22:40 <antrik> (whole different thing if you live in the middle of nowhere of course...)
Jan 14 23:23:43 <nschle85> [Rui]: thats true, you can leave for 1 year (67% of your wage)
Jan 14 23:24:30 <nschle85> [Rui]: now 65% Mrs. Merkel decided
Jan 14 23:25:55 <[Rui]> I see self-screwage by politician is also a German issue :)
Jan 14 23:28:33 <nschle85> [Rui]: so its not a rumorous
Jan 14 23:28:51 <[Rui]> nice anyway
Jan 14 23:30:43 <nschle85> [Rui]: true but nobody cares about the children after that time... 
Jan 14 23:32:56 <nschle85> antrik: If iam driving inmy car in can hear my music loud in my car.
Jan 14 23:33:27 <nschle85> antrik: is that possible in S bahn ?
Jan 14 23:33:54 <[Rui]> nschle85: sure, with really good headphones :)
Jan 14 23:34:30 <[Rui]> but I know the feel nice effect of going out of the job after a bad day and having either something light or something hard playing really loud
Jan 14 23:35:30 <nschle85> antrik: my sister took 4 hours by car from frankfurt to leipzig
Jan 14 23:36:13 <nschle85> antrik: her frient took the train , it tooks 8 hours by double costs !
Jan 14 23:37:21 <nschle85> [Rui]: I love sitting in car and do what i want (her my music, put the finger in my nose ....)
Jan 14 23:38:15 <nschle85> [Rui]: Do you know good headphones ?
Jan 14 23:41:49 <nschle85> [Rui]: good night, I have to play "SkiChallenge11"
Jan 14 23:57:54 <[Rui]> :)
Jan 15 01:38:25 <Heinervdm> sflphone ships an incompatible pjproject version...
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