**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 24 02:59:58 2011 Jan 24 06:42:16 moin Jan 24 07:54:05 morning!!!! Jan 24 07:55:06 moin Jan 24 07:55:20 mrmoku, you didn't build my upgrades :P Jan 24 07:55:28 JaMa|Wrk, good morning :) Jan 24 07:56:10 I did run build yesterday Jan 24 07:56:19 but libmokosuite failed because of missing lua.pc Jan 24 07:56:30 needed by edje which is needed by elementary Jan 24 07:58:27 needs only rebuild because lua is not lua5.1.pc Jan 24 07:58:33 s/not/now Jan 24 08:02:46 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r537ae6c82530 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): msmcommd: check if phonebook book type is valid before processing Jan 24 08:07:41 ah ok JaMa|Wrk :) Jan 24 09:53:20 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * rf4057f860534 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/ (mediators_sim.vala phonebookhandler.vala): fsogsmd: modem_qualcomm_palm: more fine tuning of the phonebook handler Jan 24 09:57:56 so phonebook support for the palmpre in fsogsmd is mostly complete Jan 24 09:59:06 hi morphis Jan 24 09:59:12 hey GNUtoo|laptop Jan 24 09:59:15 any news on x-load for palm-pre? Jan 24 09:59:21 or on serial? Jan 24 10:00:50 * GNUtoo|laptop wonder how bootrom->xload works Jan 24 10:01:07 that is to say, can I boot x-load from microsd on n900? Jan 24 10:03:55 you can? Jan 24 10:04:05 I don't know Jan 24 10:04:07 I didn't try Jan 24 10:04:10 and no news for 'x-load on palm-pre' Jan 24 10:04:11 ah ok Jan 24 10:04:24 because I don't know how it works Jan 24 10:04:36 maybe there are some fuse blown that prevent booting from sd? Jan 24 10:04:47 or emmc Jan 24 10:04:53 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07cornucopia * r82d92e945836 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_qualcomm_palm/TODO: fsogsmd: modem_qualcomm_palm: add short list of things which needs to be done Jan 24 10:05:17 for omap3 you can specify the boot order Jan 24 10:05:35 maybe they removed mmc from the boot order Jan 24 10:05:52 ok Jan 24 10:05:57 how do you specify that? Jan 24 10:06:01 devmem2? Jan 24 10:06:39 GNUtoo|laptop, could you check/write a pair of lines of what's done lately in shr+n900? I'm writting a blog entry but I'm not quite aware of the state of shr+n900 Jan 24 10:06:50 yes Jan 24 10:06:53 thanks := Jan 24 10:06:58 what's the page? Jan 24 10:07:03 mom Jan 24 10:07:10 GNUtoo|laptop, http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/News Jan 24 10:07:41 why is there a since DATE Jan 24 10:07:47 why note DATE directly Jan 24 10:07:51 mrmoku, phoneui is completelly using gdbus now right? Jan 24 10:08:44 GNUtoo|laptop, it's a list of things since 1 date. I'll start new list when I publish this blog entry, so I don't repeat things :) Jan 24 10:09:08 ok Jan 24 10:10:10 hm don't find the link Jan 24 10:10:17 but it's specified in the omap3 manual Jan 24 10:11:26 pespin: who is the one going to write the weekly blog post? Jan 24 10:11:48 morphis, me I suppouse :) Jan 24 10:11:54 ok :) Jan 24 10:12:03 I'll try at least :P Jan 24 10:13:46 I am curious about it :) Jan 24 10:15:04 * pespin writing it right now Jan 24 10:15:16 morphis, ok Jan 24 10:15:30 morphis, so if you think I should say something more about palms tell it now or shut up till next entry! :P Jan 24 10:15:38 hm Jan 24 10:15:46 pespin, I'm still writing Jan 24 10:15:47 we support the palmpre2 (or at least try it) Jan 24 10:15:57 OE has support for it Jan 24 10:16:10 pespin, how do you do links inside {{{ }}} Jan 24 10:16:19 wifi is working (only up for about 5 minutes) Jan 24 10:17:05 GNUtoo|laptop, uhm maybe it's not posible because it's code block :P Jan 24 10:17:08 hm, we need a new design for SHR I think Jan 24 10:17:14 GNUtoo|laptop, feel free to remove the code block if you want Jan 24 10:17:18 something new and stylish like ubuntu Jan 24 10:17:29 ok Jan 24 10:17:31 morphis, in distro phone UI you mean? Jan 24 10:17:35 I'll remove it and * it Jan 24 10:17:39 ok Jan 24 10:17:43 pespin: for the website Jan 24 10:18:09 morphis, dos1 should have a theme using SHR colors/designs which is quite finished afaik Jan 24 10:18:14 for trac Jan 24 10:18:20 ok Jan 24 10:18:24 but trac is for developers Jan 24 10:18:33 trac is wiki too ;) Jan 24 10:18:43 we should have new start page powered by wordpress with contains news and pictures for the public Jan 24 10:19:27 morphis, for the news we already have http://blog.shr-project.org Jan 24 10:19:43 I know Jan 24 10:19:51 but if you don't know anything about SHR Jan 24 10:19:57 you are going to shr-project.org Jan 24 10:19:58 but some kind of gallery with photos would be great indeed Jan 24 10:20:19 it should be some kind of advertising, like http://gnome3.org/ Jan 24 10:20:35 morphis, yes, maybe something like http://www.enlightenment.org/ ? Jan 24 10:20:51 pespin: jepp Jan 24 10:21:08 would be great Jan 24 10:21:21 with the tracker integrated Jan 24 10:21:22 but my design skills are really close to null Jan 24 10:21:24 even negative lol Jan 24 10:21:32 maybe we can copy the englightenment one Jan 24 10:21:46 and adjust the look Jan 24 10:21:58 the feel can stay as is Jan 24 10:22:46 morphis, dos1 theme for trac was quite great. We could reuse it for a main page too. Jan 24 10:22:55 jepp Jan 24 10:23:07 maybe someone has some time for this Jan 24 10:23:45 +1 for me, but not going to do it. Me & plastic arts/designs are opposite poles :P Jan 24 10:24:15 but maybe you can find someone else and told him what to do Jan 24 10:25:38 I'll try asking dos1 for the theme. Maybe he can do it. Jan 24 10:25:40 daniele_athome: bumped versions in feed now Jan 24 10:25:58 pespin: the same ^^ with newer emtoot2 rev Jan 24 10:26:18 pespin: please attach your SOB line in your patches next time (-s param in git commit) Jan 24 10:27:38 JaMa|Wrk, uhm ok, but I don't know what this "SOB line" :P Jan 24 10:28:10 hmmm there is nothing on om-gta02? Jan 24 10:28:56 aah signed off by Jan 24 10:30:10 GNUtoo|laptop, new kernel maybe? Jan 24 10:30:28 GNUtoo|laptop: where? Jan 24 10:30:41 yes but I don't know enough about what's happening on om-gta02 Jan 24 10:30:49 http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/News Jan 24 10:32:03 morphis, I think I should contact mickeyl to get a palm-pre or palm-pre-plus during fosdem, first I'll have to look how much money I've left Jan 24 10:32:17 note that the device must be unlocked Jan 24 10:32:18 GNUtoo|laptop: ok Jan 24 10:32:27 an SFR simlocked phone is out of the question Jan 24 10:32:34 so no pre2 Jan 24 10:32:45 but you can unlock every pre / pre plus for about 20 Euros Jan 24 10:32:48 the price of pre-2 is too high Jan 24 10:33:00 and the advantages....I wonder Jan 24 10:33:07 faster CPU but still low-end screen Jan 24 10:33:25 thx JaMa|Wrk Jan 24 10:33:51 which is 320x480 Jan 24 10:34:03 not even 480x320(would have been better for games) Jan 24 10:34:45 morphis, libmsmcomm is used to speak with the modem am I right? Jan 24 10:35:47 morphis, if I can get a pre or pre-plus it would already be great..... Jan 24 10:35:57 pespin: libmsmcomm implement the structure you need to send via msmcommd to the modem Jan 24 10:36:19 s/implement the structure/implements the structures/ Jan 24 10:36:19 morphis meant: pespin: libmsmcomm implements the structures you need to send via msmcommd to the modem Jan 24 10:36:20 I also wonder for the battery Jan 24 10:36:23 and accesories Jan 24 10:36:34 what about battery and accesories? Jan 24 10:36:42 which you will get? Jan 24 10:36:51 I need an usable battery Jan 24 10:37:02 define usable Jan 24 10:37:04 If i get a pre/pre-plus I plan to use it as a phone Jan 24 10:37:13 with webOS? Jan 24 10:37:14 something that works one day Jan 24 10:37:16 no Jan 24 10:37:18 with SHR Jan 24 10:37:20 ok Jan 24 10:37:25 it should work at least one day Jan 24 10:37:28 for that I'll have to do some work Jan 24 10:37:30 I mean Jan 24 10:37:34 with SHR in anycase Jan 24 10:37:37 if I've a broken battery Jan 24 10:37:51 it won't be great Jan 24 10:38:02 because in italy I bet that theses battery are hard to find Jan 24 10:38:09 also I need a charger Jan 24 10:38:14 and the headphones Jan 24 10:38:20 it's all included in the std package Jan 24 10:38:21 I'll need to tell all that to mickeyl Jan 24 10:38:24 ok Jan 24 10:38:25 micro usb cable Jan 24 10:38:32 charger adapter Jan 24 10:38:45 and all batterys I got are fine Jan 24 10:39:30 ok Jan 24 10:39:43 because I'm unsure if pre-plus can still be bought new Jan 24 10:39:45 so.... Jan 24 10:40:04 there are second-hand phones Jan 24 10:40:13 but we must be carefull with batteries Jan 24 10:40:20 at O2 here in german you still get the pre plus Jan 24 10:40:24 (and charger+headphones) Jan 24 10:40:26 ok nice Jan 24 10:40:31 how much does it cost? Jan 24 10:40:34 the battery is still the same as in most palm phones Jan 24 10:40:39 ok Jan 24 10:41:43 https://service.o2online.de/portal/?$part=Productcatalog.content.detailView&hardwareId=4510%20260005%2000&commercializationId=NewCustomerWebshopPostpaid&tariffId=N-HWO-H-NC-15 Jan 24 10:41:47 360 Euros Jan 24 10:42:09 normal pre is at 240 Euro Jan 24 10:42:15 ok Jan 24 10:49:44 GNUtoo|laptop: so are going to ask mickey to buy one for you? Jan 24 10:49:53 I think so Jan 24 10:50:02 I must first look how much money I have Jan 24 10:50:37 I'm not sure I have 360E Jan 24 10:51:28 I'll also need SMS Jan 24 10:52:35 I must also find a new debug cable Jan 24 10:52:41 for om-gta02 Jan 24 10:53:28 playya is working on SMS Jan 24 10:54:00 structures for libmsmcomm are there: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=msmcomm.git;a=blob;f=libmsmcomm/specs/structures/sms.xml;h=966d125ca1bb8474bc3f13b123e1e2a48d2ce114;hb=HEAD Jan 24 10:54:02 ok nice Jan 24 10:54:06 it just needs implementation Jan 24 10:54:21 nice Jan 24 10:54:46 which could be done by me? (in the case where nobody does the implementation) Jan 24 10:56:18 it's simple as the structures are known Jan 24 10:56:28 ok Jan 24 10:56:29 it's just passing data from one place to another Jan 24 10:56:37 does wifi work well? Jan 24 10:56:44 for 5 minutes, yes Jan 24 10:56:52 ah after it stops? Jan 24 10:57:12 sdio errors? Jan 24 10:57:19 [ 811.000000] NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out Jan 24 10:57:19 [ 811.000000] libertas: tx watch dog timeout Jan 24 10:57:19 [ 813.000000] libertas: command 0x001f timed out Jan 24 10:57:19 [ 813.000000] libertas: Excessive timeouts submitting command 0x001f Jan 24 10:57:20 [ 821.000000] NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out Jan 24 10:57:22 [ 821.000000] libertas: tx watch dog timeout Jan 24 10:57:24 something like this Jan 24 10:57:30 ah ok lol old kenrel Jan 24 10:57:38 I've a bug device with libertas Jan 24 10:57:57 I know :) Jan 24 10:58:14 and I saw theses in the past Jan 24 10:58:24 libertas: tx watch dog timeout Jan 24 10:58:43 ah, and what did you do? Jan 24 10:58:48 GNUtoo|laptop, what's linux-next? Jan 24 10:58:53 I don't remember Jan 24 10:58:57 hm Jan 24 10:59:27 pespin, linux-next is the tree on which you have to rebase patches to get them upstream Jan 24 10:59:51 ah ok :) Jan 24 11:00:05 I bet PSM doesn't work Jan 24 11:00:06 GNUtoo|laptop: but I thing you should work on wifi/bluetooth and better SHR support Jan 24 11:00:16 I tried with iwconfig eth0 power off Jan 24 11:00:20 it changes nothing Jan 24 11:00:21 power on Jan 24 11:00:23 GNUtoo|laptop, which is last usable kernel you have in htc dream? Jan 24 11:00:26 it still times out Jan 24 11:00:35 pespin, 2.6.32 Jan 24 11:04:37 maybe I should get a very-cheap pre instead Jan 24 11:04:41 because wifi doesn't work Jan 24 11:06:57 bbl **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 24 11:22:50 2011 Jan 24 11:25:14 GNUtoo|laptop, morphis: published :) http://blog.shr-project.org/2011/01/some-good-news.html Jan 24 11:26:03 pespin: "will be trying to reflect in this blog this hard work we" ... little bit strange sentence Jan 24 11:26:50 morphis, will rewrite :) Jan 24 11:26:58 :) Jan 24 11:27:11 as you can see my english is not perfect :P Jan 24 11:28:24 pespin: ah the post is not published yet Jan 24 11:28:40 and use ul/li for enumerations Jan 24 11:31:25 morphis, it's published Jan 24 11:31:34 ah ok Jan 24 11:31:53 I just have to reload the startpage :) Jan 24 11:32:11 yep, happened to me too ;) Jan 24 11:32:58 I fixed everything you told me Jan 24 11:35:35 * pespin away now Jan 24 12:05:43 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r616384b8434f 10/libmsmcomm/msmcomm/miscmessage.vala: libmsmcomm: fix segfault in ChargerStatus urc message Jan 24 13:18:48 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * r0139e69f7bd6 10/msmcommd/src/main.vala: msmcommd: process incomming signals and output backtrace in segv case Jan 24 13:34:42 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis 07msmcomm * rd5bcf5a89212 10/msmcommd/src/miscservice.vala: msmcommd: misc service: correct converting of the charging enums Jan 24 13:55:40 morphis, nice there is an uttility to download code in the 64k of ram of the omap, for booting trough usb..... Jan 24 13:56:06 jepp Jan 24 13:56:22 and you can even read the configuration seetings of the processor over usb Jan 24 14:58:54 morphis, hi how do I list the omap's configuration? Jan 24 14:59:08 s/list/read Jan 24 14:59:29 and If I want uboot, I should maybe try to get uboot running in the 64k? Jan 24 14:59:33 instead of using xload? Jan 24 14:59:39 would it be simplier Jan 24 14:59:39 ? Jan 24 15:01:11 GNUtoo|laptop, palm uses bootie Jan 24 15:01:30 and we have slyon's scripts to change the kernel/rootfs Jan 24 15:01:44 there is an initial port of xload to it which doesn't work yet Jan 24 15:02:06 but my questions were more generic Jan 24 15:02:18 I want native uboot without risk on rx51/n900 Jan 24 15:02:29 that is to say I load it trough usb Jan 24 15:02:32 and try it that way Jan 24 15:02:40 for instance: Jan 24 15:02:56 pespin: (blog) great. I like it and thx for doimg it :) Jan 24 15:02:58 bootrom of omap3530<->usb<->laptop Jan 24 15:03:08 for loading Jan 24 15:03:11 and for commanding it Jan 24 15:03:50 mrmoku, i read your vapi today. i think you need some additional metadata Jan 24 15:04:14 playya_: ok Jan 24 15:06:21 e.g. ind_subscribe: the destroy notify is part of the data parameter, isn't it? Jan 24 15:06:32 bbl. food Jan 24 15:06:43 and some delegate targets Jan 24 15:17:57 and you can even read the configuration seetings of the processor over usb Jan 24 15:18:03 what's the uttility to do that? Jan 24 15:18:40 mickey|bbl, mickey|office ping me when you're available Jan 24 15:29:59 GNUtoo|laptop: wait a moment Jan 24 15:30:04 I am searching for it Jan 24 15:31:36 morphis, ok thanks a lot Jan 24 15:32:00 GNUtoo|laptop: first there is https://github.com/nmenon/omap-u-boot-utils/ for general utilites for dealing with u-boot and omap3 Jan 24 15:33:02 ah ok I already looked there Jan 24 15:33:10 but what's the uttlity name Jan 24 15:33:10 ? Jan 24 15:33:18 the one to interact with the bootrom configuration Jan 24 15:33:25 it's not in there Jan 24 15:33:29 ok Jan 24 15:33:39 because I've the uttliity to load something Jan 24 15:33:42 but that's all Jan 24 15:33:46 found on elinux wiki Jan 24 15:34:59 http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project Jan 24 15:35:12 there look in chapter "First Stage Boot" Jan 24 15:35:37 http://linux.fjfi.cvut.cz/~zub/omap34xx-boot-order/ Jan 24 15:35:47 thats it Jan 24 15:35:54 thanks a lot Jan 24 15:36:02 no problem :) Jan 24 15:36:14 I bookmarked it now Jan 24 15:36:17 :) Jan 24 15:42:35 Boot order: OneNAND USB UART3 MMC1 -- Jan 24 15:43:14 and Jan 24 15:43:15 sys_boot[5:0]: 0x10 Jan 24 15:43:21 what's your boot order on palm pre Jan 24 15:48:31 that sound strange Jan 24 15:48:33 because Jan 24 15:49:43 http://pastebin.com/jcMKYvGE Jan 24 16:11:11 GNUtoo|laptop: whats strange in the order? Jan 24 16:13:00 ah that OneNAND is before USB? Jan 24 16:13:32 and that it boots then everytime from OneNAND as the bootloader is there Jan 24 16:13:55 but when booting over USB the boot order is not involved Jan 24 16:14:21 hm Jan 24 16:25:45 GNUtoo|laptop: GNUtoo|laptop: whats strange in the order? Jan 24 16:25:45 ah that OneNAND is before USB? Jan 24 16:25:45 and that it boots then everytime from OneNAND as the bootloader is there Jan 24 16:25:45 but when booting over USB the boot order is not involved Jan 24 16:26:13 morphis, OneNAND is the first thing Jan 24 16:26:16 NAND is not present Jan 24 16:26:23 and I think it boots on NAND Jan 24 16:26:23 you just send some magic bytes over USB and then it switches to USB Jan 24 16:26:34 ah ok Jan 24 16:26:37 yeah when no USB magic byte comes before Jan 24 16:26:37 * GNUtoo|laptop will try now Jan 24 16:26:40 to boot xload Jan 24 16:26:47 thats how I understand the whole process Jan 24 16:26:53 ok Jan 24 16:27:47 mickey|office: ping Jan 24 16:34:23 http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/2b9e99886bb7a747 doesn't seem to work Jan 24 16:43:11 GNUtoo|laptop: use pusb Jan 24 16:43:18 from https://github.com/nmenon/omap-u-boot-utils/ Jan 24 16:43:19 that's what I'm trying now Jan 24 16:43:22 ok Jan 24 16:43:27 I'm looking how to compile it Jan 24 16:50:48 mrmoku, thanks ;) Jan 24 16:55:36 morphis, what is device_ID exactly? Jan 24 16:55:45 vendor:product ID? Jan 24 16:55:49 lsusb shows that: Jan 24 16:55:58 Bus 002 Device 049: ID 0421:0106 Nokia Mobile Phones ROM Parent Jan 24 16:57:38 morphis: pong Jan 24 16:58:07 GNUtoo|laptop: pong Jan 24 16:58:31 hi mickey|office I'll PM you about palm pre Jan 24 16:59:19 mickey|office: maybe you saw integrating new msmcomm in fsogsmd processes quite good :) Jan 24 16:59:56 mickey|office: and there is some question I have for you Jan 24 17:00:18 mickey|office: when telling the modem to go offline (disconnect from network) it wants afterwards the sim pin again Jan 24 17:00:54 is it ok, when I switch back to SIM_LOCKED state and userland will see "oh it wants my pin again" and show up the sim-pin dialog? Jan 24 17:01:15 or is there any side-effects I don't see Jan 24 17:01:33 GNUtoo|laptop: hm, there should be something like TI as vendor name Jan 24 17:01:46 I'll modify pusb Jan 24 17:01:50 morphis: if you don't have the SIM, yes. consider also using the SetFunctionality calls for which the semantics is 'keep the PIN and deliver it subsequently, whenever you need it' Jan 24 17:02:00 Waiting for USB device vendorID=0x451 and productID=0x106: Jan 24 17:02:01 GNUtoo|laptop: there is a cmdline arg for that Jan 24 17:02:09 for product ID Jan 24 17:02:10 mickey|office: right Jan 24 17:02:12 not for vendor ID Jan 24 17:02:16 ah ok Jan 24 17:02:21 so nokia changed it? Jan 24 17:02:22 I'll change vendor ID in source code Jan 24 17:02:25 I think so Jan 24 17:02:26 from ti to nokia? Jan 24 17:02:28 baah Jan 24 17:02:33 Bus 002 Device 059: ID 0421:0106 Nokia Mobile Phones ROM Parent Jan 24 17:02:54 how often do you tried to connect? Jan 24 17:02:59 I needed several times Jan 24 17:03:15 mickey|office: ok, then I will do it that way Jan 24 17:08:54 Expected to read 69, read -110 - err str: Resource temporarily unavailable Jan 24 17:08:59 send file failed Jan 24 17:09:08 110 is timeout Jan 24 17:10:07 hm Jan 24 17:13:27 mickey|office: should I even evaluate keepRegistration of modem.data? Jan 24 17:13:39 as it come with SetFunctionality with the autoregister param, right? Jan 24 17:14:06 ah stop it's about network registration Jan 24 17:15:14 yes, you should both care about PIN and Network registration Jan 24 17:15:29 setfunctionality is the set-once-forget-about-it call from userland Jan 24 17:21:06 so when autoregister == true I don't have to take care in the networkunregister mediator about it? Jan 24 17:22:05 hm, looked through the code and it seems I have to Jan 24 17:23:11 well, if someone calls setfunctionality and then later unregister, the system will automatically observe the unregistered state and will reregister Jan 24 17:23:19 i'd call this a client bug though Jan 24 17:24:14 the way i implemented this is in the watchdog class Jan 24 17:24:32 ideally this would be modem unspecific Jan 24 17:25:28 (it might already be) Jan 24 17:26:02 ah great Jan 24 17:26:03 :) Jan 24 17:27:50 hmmm Jan 24 17:27:55 I've kenrel issue on laptop: Jan 24 17:28:08 [27443.969946] WARNING: at /home/kernel-ppa/COD/linux/include/linux/netdevice.h:1557 usbpn_probe+0x2cf/0x2f0 [cdc_phonet]() Jan 24 17:51:43 hmm now I have: Jan 24 17:51:48 # ./omap34xx-boot-order Jan 24 17:51:49 sys_boot[5:0]: 0x30 Jan 24 17:51:49 Boot order: USB UART3 MMC1 OneNAND -- Jan 24 17:51:52 so... Jan 24 17:52:06 maybe I should try mmc boot Jan 24 18:10:39 dos1, ping :) Jan 24 18:32:52 hi PaulFertser Jan 24 18:33:32 pespin: pong Jan 24 18:34:22 dos1, we've been talking today with morphis about themeing/improving a bit more trac and creating a main page wich links to all services. Jan 24 18:34:52 dos1, afaik you have a nice SHR theme for trac quite finished, am I right? :) Jan 24 18:35:27 pespin: yup, give me a moment Jan 24 18:35:37 pespin: i'll run it on server Jan 24 18:35:54 dos1, we were thinking on something like http://gnome3.org/ or http://enlightenment.org as main page Jan 24 18:36:14 dos1, would you like working on it? or know someone who could? Jan 24 18:37:10 as I have no artistic/design skills Jan 24 18:42:14 pespin: http://openmoko.pl:8080/testtrac Jan 24 18:42:41 pespin: well, this layout is maximum you can get from my artistic skills ;) Jan 24 18:42:45 morphis, ^ Jan 24 18:43:25 as i have none, i just know a bit about using GIMP and HTML/CSS :D Jan 24 18:43:44 dos1, it's great :D Jan 24 18:43:56 but we can try to do something, why not Jan 24 18:44:36 dos1, if you wanna try it, I'll help you giving screenshots, etc. :) Jan 24 18:45:26 some kind of promotional page with links to trac, ml, blog, irc webchat to freenode, etc. Jan 24 18:47:06 dos1, will you have some free time lately and are in the modd of doing it? :) Jan 24 18:47:16 s/modd/mood Jan 24 18:47:42 maybe not now (lack of time), but soon i will have winter holidays :) Jan 24 18:47:48 (one week left) Jan 24 18:48:08 * pespin 's already on holidays :P Jan 24 18:48:38 dos1, ok, so if you want some help/opinion on this jut ping me! Jan 24 18:49:29 ok Jan 24 19:02:08 Hello All Jan 24 19:18:47 pespin, hey Jan 24 19:19:02 pespin, i saw you conversation with dos, about a shr advertisemet website Jan 24 19:19:56