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Feb 13 15:41:27 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: is it possible to have a trac account without email attached?
Feb 13 15:41:34 <mrmoku> there's some of them in our trac...
Feb 13 15:42:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> no idea
Feb 13 15:42:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe at the beginning it was possible
Feb 13 15:42:29 <mrmoku> yeah, maybe
Feb 13 15:42:44 <mrmoku> so I won't delete them ;)
Feb 13 15:43:59 <PaulFertser> Hey, i think i got first encouraging results with forwarder. At least my recvfrom didn't block!
Feb 13 15:44:36 <PaulFertser> That netlink stuff is really magic.
Feb 13 15:44:57 <jonwil> anything in particular inside softupd I should be looking for or looking at?
Feb 13 15:49:26 <jonwil> guess not then :P
Feb 13 15:49:33 <PaulFertser> jonwil: for forwarding? I guess no, it's of no use to try to reproduce what it does. But thanks for the offer.
Feb 13 15:50:05 <jonwil> so you solved the problems with forwarding?
Feb 13 15:50:19 <jonwil> anything else anyone wants me to add to my list of stuff to reverse engineer?
Feb 13 15:53:06 <PaulFertser> jonwil: (forwarding) no idea, but it looks like the approach i take can succeed.
Feb 13 15:53:25 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: do you want to ask jonwil to RE anything?
Feb 13 16:03:33 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: what really pisses me off is that there's certainly somebody who knows all that shit about phonet and forwarding but doesn't tell us :/
Feb 13 16:03:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> can we ash things that are very long?
Feb 13 16:03:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> such as 3d?
Feb 13 16:04:42 <jonwil> if you want 3D, join this
Feb 13 16:04:43 <jonwil> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/new-high-priority-project-powervr-drivers
Feb 13 16:05:25 <jonwil> I think if all the communities working on devices with PowerVR chips put their hat into the ring and formed one group to produce a set of open source X11 drivers for the various PowerVR chips, it might actually be acheivable
Feb 13 16:05:51 <GNUtoo|laptop> jonwil, yes I know, I was involved in giving the infos that resulted in that decision
Feb 13 16:06:17 <jonwil> the decision by the FSF to start that project idea you mean?
Feb 13 16:06:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> the decision to put that as a high priority project, a high priority project doesn't mean they put developers on it
Feb 13 16:07:08 <jonwil> ok yeah
Feb 13 16:07:10 <jonwil> I get ya
Feb 13 16:07:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> it only means that they think it's important
Feb 13 16:07:21 <jonwil> which it is
Feb 13 16:07:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> and so people listening to the FSF might want to participate....
Feb 13 16:07:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> other people are welcome too
Feb 13 16:08:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> note that I know nothing at all about 3d
Feb 13 16:12:18 <jonwil> Heck, if the noveau guys can reverse engineer the uber-complex NVIDIA GPUs I am sure someone could reverse engineer the PowerVR parts
Feb 13 16:12:37 <jonwil> especially if they used disassembly and such rather than just examining data passing through the kernel
Feb 13 16:12:54 <jonwil> someone with 3D graphics know-how
Feb 13 16:14:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Feb 13 16:17:44 <jonwil> The place to start is to ignore 3D and start with the 2D bits e.g. libpvr2d.so, libsrv_um.so and so on
Feb 13 16:18:00 <jonwil> then worry about 3D
Feb 13 16:18:40 <jonwil> its still a massive job though
Feb 13 16:19:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Feb 13 16:19:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> the 2d is not free software?
Feb 13 16:19:28 <jonwil> nope
Feb 13 16:19:32 <jonwil> the kernel drivers are open
Feb 13 16:19:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> for instance no userspace driver implement free 2d?
Feb 13 16:19:35 <jonwil> everything else is closed
Feb 13 16:19:38 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: phonet is strange. After certain manipulations the phone answers (uselessly) to the host automatically, without any forwarder, nothing on phonet0 in tcpdump though.
Feb 13 16:19:38 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
Feb 13 16:19:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> I tought some 2d userland was floss
Feb 13 16:20:03 <jonwil> all the bits that matter are in the closed libs
Feb 13 16:20:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Feb 13 16:20:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> PaulFertser, hi, what kernel are you trying it on? do you want me to test on 2.6.37
Feb 13 16:20:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> ?
Feb 13 16:20:38 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo|laptop: maemo's
Feb 13 16:20:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Feb 13 16:20:58 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo|laptop: no, not ready yet... :( i can't send a thing to the phonet0 yet :/
Feb 13 16:21:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Feb 13 16:21:29 <jonwil> but yeah I definatly think we should get all the people interested in free drivers for PowerVR parts into one place :)
Feb 13 16:21:45 <jonwil> lots of projects would benefit from foss powervr drivers
Feb 13 16:21:57 <nschle85> hello, can anybody open the oe website ? or do only I have the timeout problems ?
Feb 13 16:23:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> indeed
Feb 13 16:23:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> and embedded depends more and more on 3d
Feb 13 16:23:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> such as meego for instance
Feb 13 16:23:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> it depends on 3d
Feb 13 16:49:20 <mickeyl> PaulFertser: hmm
Feb 13 16:55:30 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: would latest vala from official place be enough to compile test client for libgisi?
Feb 13 16:55:52 <PaulFertser> (i have to do native compilation on n900 to try to make this "forwarder")
Feb 13 16:56:09 <PaulFertser> I can't yet understand how to send anything to the modem for some reason.
Feb 13 16:57:00 <mickeyl> yes, the latest 0.11.x should compile a test client fine
Feb 13 16:58:38 <CIA-68> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgisi * r2613048f0a3a 10/gisicomm/gisicomm.vala: gisicomm: add generic send function in AbstractClient for debugging purposes
Feb 13 17:16:33 <dos1> vanous: so, what about our PR?
Feb 13 17:16:48 <vanous> dos1: i am currently working on cz translation :)
Feb 13 17:16:56 <vanous> as for the en version
Feb 13 17:17:11 <vanous> no response from h:1
Feb 13 17:17:27 <vanous> i am considering a small passage about fso/shr packages in debian
Feb 13 17:17:33 <vanous> and that's it
Feb 13 17:18:37 <vanous> tonigs i would like to make final changes and ideally still tonight publish on our websites + send out to other sites, including anno on maemo forum
Feb 13 17:19:08 <vanous> dos1: what do you think?
Feb 13 17:19:42 <vanous> dos1: i now it's not the same, but perhaps cz translation can help you with the polish one?
Feb 13 17:20:53 <dos1> vanous: i'm ok with small passage and publishing it tonight
Feb 13 17:21:55 <dos1> vanous: and to be honest, i don't think cz translation will help me :D i know english better, than czech; even if the latter sounds similar to polish ;)
Feb 13 17:22:35 <vanous> yup
Feb 13 17:23:31 <vanous> dos1: for me, spoken polish isn't that hard, as i used the live right on the border
Feb 13 17:23:38 <vanous> but written is difficult
Feb 13 17:26:10 <CIA-68> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r81d08182cb1f 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/utilities.vala: libfsobasics: add hexdump function to StringUtils
Feb 13 17:27:11 <admiral0> GNUtoo|laptop: ping
Feb 13 17:27:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> admiral0, hi
Feb 13 17:27:27 <admiral0> hi :D
Feb 13 17:27:29 <CIA-68> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc1585c94ede3 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/modem_nokia_isi/mediators.vala: 
Feb 13 17:27:29 <CIA-68> freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: modem_nokia_isi: implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.DebugMessage()
Feb 13 17:27:29 <CIA-68> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: This is handy for sending arbitrary ISI messages via DBus, e.g.:
Feb 13 17:27:29 <CIA-68> freesmartphone.org: >>> print gsmdebug.DebugCommand("NET","e5 0 a 0 0 0 0")
Feb 13 17:27:29 <CIA-68> freesmartphone.org: 00 00 00 00 00 02 0C 08 62 F2 70 02 00 00 E7 14 ........b.p.....
Feb 13 17:27:30 <CIA-68> freesmartphone.org: 00 07 00 6F 00 32 00 20 00 2D 00 20 00 64 00 65 ...o.2. .-. .d.e
Feb 13 17:27:30 <CIA-68> freesmartphone.org: 00 00 ..
Feb 13 17:27:52 <admiral0> what's 2.6.37 kernel state for n900?
Feb 13 17:27:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> wow
Feb 13 17:27:56 <mickeyl> :)
Feb 13 17:28:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> admiral0, it's a kernel for kenrel developers for now, use 2.6.28 if you're an user
Feb 13 17:28:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> it doesn't have DVFS
Feb 13 17:28:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically no power management
Feb 13 17:28:37 <admiral0> hmm
Feb 13 17:28:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> apart that it is great
Feb 13 17:28:57 <admiral0> that means i can put it in maemo
Feb 13 17:29:05 <admiral0> maemo has nokia bme
Feb 13 17:29:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> admiral0, bme is not needed anymore
Feb 13 17:29:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> we replaced it
Feb 13 17:29:29 <admiral0> i know
Feb 13 17:29:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> s/we/*it was replaced
Feb 13 17:29:38 <admiral0> but you said it's not ready
Feb 13 17:29:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> admiral0, I said the *kernel* was not ready
Feb 13 17:29:57 <admiral0> ah
Feb 13 17:30:00 <admiral0> :\
Feb 13 17:30:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> we also don't have telephony yet
Feb 13 17:30:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> but that will change soon
Feb 13 17:30:25 <nschle85> hello, i have a question , where is "qa_staging" implemented , i am looking for QA checks for .desktop files
Feb 13 17:30:27 <admiral0> FSO?
Feb 13 17:31:11 <mrmoku> nschle85: insane.bbclass:python do_qa_staging() {
Feb 13 17:31:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> admiral0, I don't understand you very well, you start asking the kernel status and expect the whole status
Feb 13 17:31:28 <admiral0> (i wanted to compile 2.6.37 for maemo as i wanted ext4)
Feb 13 17:31:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> ahh ok
Feb 13 17:31:39 <GNUtoo|laptop> now I understand
Feb 13 17:31:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> keep 2.6.28
Feb 13 17:31:41 <admiral0> :)
Feb 13 17:32:07 <admiral0> i like japanese culture
Feb 13 17:32:13 * admiral0 thinks he's a kamikaze
Feb 13 17:32:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> kernel > 2.6.28 are not compatible with maemo's userland
Feb 13 17:32:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> they also lack DVFS
Feb 13 17:32:28 <admiral0> d'oh
Feb 13 17:32:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> or working DVFS
Feb 13 17:32:39 <admiral0> that's bad
Feb 13 17:32:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> basically you'll lack a lot of sys nodes
Feb 13 17:32:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> and will have some very short battery life
Feb 13 17:33:02 <nschle85> mrmoku: thanks
Feb 13 17:33:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> as it will always run at 500 Mhz
Feb 13 17:33:07 <mrmoku> yw
Feb 13 17:33:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> but....
Feb 13 17:33:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> if you really want > 2.6.28
Feb 13 17:33:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> try meego
Feb 13 17:33:33 <mrmoku> vanous: where are you doing the cz translation?
Feb 13 17:34:04 <admiral0> hmm
Feb 13 17:34:13 <vanous>  /CZ
Feb 13 17:34:18 <vanous> http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Feb11PRDraft/CZ
Feb 13 17:34:25 <admiral0> GNUtoo|laptop: thank you for your efferts and answers :D
Feb 13 17:34:28 <mrmoku> ahh, ok
Feb 13 17:34:41 <mrmoku> nschle85: are you good at translating english to german?
Feb 13 17:34:56 <vanous> mrmoku: link is also on the talk page
Feb 13 17:35:06 <mrmoku> ok
Feb 13 17:35:10 <nschle85> mrmoku: it depends on english 
Feb 13 17:35:19 <mrmoku> nschle85: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Feb11PRDraft
Feb 13 17:35:33 <nschle85> mrmoku: i am native german speaker, at school alwas good
Feb 13 17:36:07 <mrmoku> nschle85: I know (about you being native german... not your school career ;)
Feb 13 17:36:48 <nschle85> mrmoku: should i translate it ?
Feb 13 17:37:03 <mrmoku> nschle85: would be welcome :)
Feb 13 17:38:03 <nschle85> mrmoku: i can translate a draft version but someone else should review it
Feb 13 17:38:08 <mrmoku> sure
Feb 13 17:38:24 <mrmoku> nschle85: do you have a fso wiki account?
Feb 13 17:38:36 <nschle85> not yet
Feb 13 17:38:42 <mrmoku> http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Feb11PRDraft/DE
Feb 13 17:38:49 <mrmoku> would be the target
Feb 13 17:39:48 <nschle85> mrmoku: in short: what is it for ?
Feb 13 17:40:58 <mrmoku> nschle85: a PR announcment vanous initiated... somehow as reaction to nokia moving to MS... to get some users/developers on board
Feb 13 17:41:19 <mrmoku> and achieve more visibility
Feb 13 17:42:22 <nschle85> mrmoku: i am with you, (but the next phone will be a GTA04 hopefully)
Feb 13 17:43:27 <nschle85> ok, ill start translate, you can follow the prograss online :-)
Feb 13 17:44:12 <nschle85> mrmoku: need a wiki account first but shouldnt be a problem
Feb 13 17:45:18 <mickeyl> hmm, excellent:
Feb 13 17:45:24 <mickeyl> >>> print gsmdebug.DebugCommand("NET","e0")
Feb 13 17:45:24 <mickeyl> 00 03 00 1C 00 02 00 00 00 07 00 6F 00 32 00 20 ...........o.2. 
Feb 13 17:45:24 <mickeyl> 00 2D 00 20 00 64 00 65 01 00 01 00 00 00 09 18 .-. .d.e........
Feb 13 17:45:24 <mickeyl> A3 01 01 AD 4E 49 62 F2 70 02 00 01 02 01 00 00 ....NIb.p.......
Feb 13 17:45:24 <mickeyl> 00 01 01 00 01 00 E3 10 0A 00 00 05 00 41 00 6C .............A.l
Feb 13 17:45:25 <mickeyl> 00 69 00 63 00 65                               .i.c.e
Feb 13 17:45:36 <mickeyl> we actually get both the virtual operator name and the real operator name when asking :)
Feb 13 17:46:55 <nschle85> mrmoku: sorry i cannot create an account
Feb 13 17:47:34 <mickeyl> let me check for a second
Feb 13 17:47:49 <mickeyl> i guess i disabled account creation in order to fight a spam attach last month
Feb 13 17:48:29 <mickeyl> please try again
Feb 13 17:49:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickeyl, do you want me to try something?
Feb 13 17:52:12 <nschle85> mickeyl: ok, account created but got no confirmation mail
Feb 13 17:58:38 <nschle85> mrmoku: when is the first draft version needed ?
Feb 13 17:58:45 <mrmoku> nschle85: tonight :P
Feb 13 17:59:19 <nschle85> mrmoku: ok, give my best
Feb 13 17:59:27 <mrmoku> nschle85: thanks :)
Feb 13 18:00:36 <nschle85> mrmoku: do you also need a russian translation ?
Feb 13 18:00:49 <nschle85> mrmoku: my wife could help
Feb 13 18:02:57 <mrmoku> nschle85: that reminds me that my wife could help with the italian one :P
Feb 13 18:03:06 <vanous> russia has always been knows for it's great hackers, at least here in cz, or perhaps sometime also crackers...
Feb 13 18:03:14 <mrmoku> if GNUtoo|laptop does not want to do it :)
Feb 13 18:03:22 <vanous> wow, that way we would get really a global cover
Feb 13 18:04:17 <GNUtoo|laptop> mrmoku, want to do what?
Feb 13 18:04:19 <nschle85> mrmoku: if GNUtoo|laptop can russian he should do it  because we have a 5 moth old baby ... (no sleep ...)
Feb 13 18:04:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah italian
Feb 13 18:04:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> hmmm
Feb 13 18:04:36 <mrmoku> GNUtoo|laptop: translating the PR into italian (and/or) french :)
Feb 13 18:04:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> I make many spelling mistakes in italian
Feb 13 18:04:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I could ask our free software translators 
Feb 13 18:05:13 <mrmoku> guess that would take some time though
Feb 13 18:05:24 <TAsn> mrmoku, haha, because of you guys
Feb 13 18:05:28 <TAsn> all the openmoko guys in israel
Feb 13 18:05:31 <TAsn> wanna buy an n900
Feb 13 18:05:33 <TAsn> :|
Feb 13 18:06:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> lol....tell them it's not ready yet
Feb 13 18:06:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> no calls
Feb 13 18:07:07 <dos1> TAsn: tell them to wait for gta04 :P
Feb 13 18:07:29 <nschle85> for israel people calling is not a needed feature :-)
Feb 13 18:07:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> nschle85, why?
Feb 13 18:08:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> do they have mesh network with batmand and free calls with SIP/IAX/jingle?
Feb 13 18:08:11 <dos1> GNUtoo|laptop: turn on your irony detector :D
Feb 13 18:08:31 <nschle85> GNUtoo|laptop: its a small counry, the can use drums :-)
Feb 13 18:08:37 <TAsn> dos1, :)
Feb 13 18:08:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> lol ok
Feb 13 18:08:48 <TAsn> nschle85, haha.
Feb 13 18:08:50 <GNUtoo|laptop> dos1, I didn't undestand where the joke was hidden
Feb 13 18:09:02 <nschle85> TAsn: hope you will not hate me :-)
Feb 13 18:09:26 <mrmoku> TAsn: hates you for other reasons...
Feb 13 18:09:29 * mrmoku too
Feb 13 18:09:37 * mrmoku too hated by TAsn 
Feb 13 18:09:54 <mrmoku> duhh
Feb 13 18:10:20 <nschle85> mrmoku: for which reason ?
Feb 13 18:10:27 <mrmoku> nschle85: he has british roots :P
Feb 13 18:10:48 <TAsn> nschle85, why hate you? because you've been to israel and you know the truth?
Feb 13 18:11:12 <TAsn> mrmoku, why would I hate you guys (as a brit)?
Feb 13 18:11:17 <TAsn> we used to be brothers
Feb 13 18:11:22 <TAsn> (victoria married a german)
Feb 13 18:11:31 <mrmoku> :)
Feb 13 18:11:36 <TAsn> our last king was half german
Feb 13 18:11:36 <TAsn> :)
Feb 13 18:11:45 <mrmoku> TAsn: remember the world championship? ;)
Feb 13 18:11:51 <TAsn> and we owe you guys our wonderful language.
Feb 13 18:11:57 <TAsn> mrmoku, managed to forget :)
Feb 13 18:12:00 <TAsn> I have selective memory
Feb 13 18:12:04 <mrmoku> :)
Feb 13 18:12:15 <mrmoku> nschle85: so... all fine... he forgot already :)
Feb 13 18:12:34 <mrmoku> TAsn: what about some hebrew translation then?
Feb 13 18:12:48 <nschle85> mrmoku: please dont talk about world championship, it was a desaster for england !!!!
Feb 13 18:13:11 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah the thing that prevented mickeyl from working on FSO?
Feb 13 18:13:12 <mrmoku> nschle85: that's why I thought he hates us germans... but he already forgot that desaster ;)
Feb 13 18:13:26 <TAsn> mrmoku, to what?
Feb 13 18:13:45 <TAsn> nschle85, mrmoku: I'm starting to remember you sons of bitches.
Feb 13 18:13:46 <nschle85> mrmoku: why you not translate ?
Feb 13 18:13:47 <TAsn> ;P
Feb 13 18:13:47 <mrmoku> TAsn: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Feb11PRDraft
Feb 13 18:14:06 <TAsn> mrmoku, when it's done
Feb 13 18:14:09 <TAsn> I'll translate.
Feb 13 18:14:09 <TAsn> :P
Feb 13 18:14:12 <TAsn> I promise
Feb 13 18:14:12 <TAsn> :)
Feb 13 18:14:18 <TAsn> will also get someone to translate to Arabic
Feb 13 18:14:26 <TAsn> but I can't assure the quality of that translation
Feb 13 18:14:28 <mrmoku> nschle85: I can try... but there's lots of terms I know only the english one :P
Feb 13 18:14:59 <GNUtoo|laptop> Multiple replacers for frameworkd-config-shr, using first one (frameworkd-config).
Feb 13 18:15:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> hmmm
Feb 13 18:15:11 <nschle85> mrmoku: thats also my problem, ok ill translate and you'll check and say its OK :-)
Feb 13 18:15:12 <mrmoku> TAsn: hehe... we'll end then on wikileaks as jihad supporters :P
Feb 13 18:15:22 <TAsn> haha racist.
Feb 13 18:15:23 <mrmoku> nschle85: ok :)
Feb 13 18:15:34 <mrmoku> TAsn: :P
Feb 13 18:15:52 * mrmoku watched too much berlusconi related news the last weeks ;)
Feb 13 18:16:05 <nschle85> mrmoku: what about russioan translation ? i prefer PaulFertser
Feb 13 18:16:10 <TAsn> mrmoku, ha.
Feb 13 18:16:36 <mrmoku> vanous: we don't need all translations on day one... do we?
Feb 13 18:17:12 <vanous> no, we don't really
Feb 13 18:17:34 <nschle85> mrmoku: you should start you question with : "Privet !", then he cannot say no :-)
Feb 13 18:19:40 <mrmoku> :)
Feb 13 18:19:50 * mrmoku off to feed the baby... bbl
Feb 13 18:20:38 <PaulFertser> nschle85: sorry, what are you talking about?
Feb 13 18:21:53 <nschle85> ja predlagaju tebje perewidi: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Feb11PRDraft
Feb 13 18:23:25 <PaulFertser> nschle85: is it important or needed to have that translated to russian? What is the target audience
Feb 13 18:26:58 <PaulFertser> Shit, maemo comes with glib 2.20 and this vala wants 2.24 for G_IO_ERROR_INVALID_DATA :(
Feb 13 18:28:14 <nschle85> PaulFertser: you should ask mrmoku, he asked me to translate it into german, as I know its e petition to nokia, which is still moving to Microsoft platform.
Feb 13 18:30:47 <vanous> PaulFertser: russian is not really needed, unless someone wants to do it 
Feb 13 18:31:32 <nschle85> vanous: why is german needed and russian not ?
Feb 13 18:32:50 <vanous> nschle85: i think russians are used to use google translate :) , germans need a bit of help :)
Feb 13 18:33:43 <vanous> no, but really, any translation we get is beneficial, 
Feb 13 18:34:22 <vanous> the same with cz - as i can do it, i am translating as we speek
Feb 13 18:34:42 <vanous> although, now, children's story time, bbl
Feb 13 18:42:05 <nschle85> vanous: thats not fair :-)
Feb 13 18:42:25 <pespin> uhm I can translate into spanish/catalan if you want
Feb 13 18:45:17 <dos1> "first phrase" of polish translation done :D
Feb 13 18:45:32 <dos1> now re-reading and fixing mistakes ;)
Feb 13 18:49:10 <pespin> vanous, what about setting links to translations in the main english one?
Feb 13 18:50:22 <nschle85> pespin: this ist hard to read i think
Feb 13 18:50:54 <pespin> nschle85, I don't get what you mean
Feb 13 18:54:16 <nschle85> pespin: sorry i was answering too early, how would the linking look like ?
Feb 13 18:54:52 <pespin> nschle85, just add a list of links to translated pages at the bottom ;)
Feb 13 18:55:16 <nschle85> pespin: currently the article consists of one page
Feb 13 18:55:40 <nschle85> pespin: so linking makes no sense here
Feb 13 18:56:29 <nschle85> pespin: for the authors a tool managing the translations in the wiki would be more useful
Feb 13 18:57:25 <nschle85> pespin: ill tranlate sentence by sentence so comapring the diffs in english version may help to tranlate the other languages
Feb 13 18:57:27 <vanous> pespin: hmm, not sure how to do that, unless we link it to the pages on FSO wiki
Feb 13 18:57:53 <nschle85> vanous: we should not do that
Feb 13 18:58:07 <pespin> were's this going to appear apart from the wiki¿
Feb 13 18:58:18 <pespin> *where's
Feb 13 18:58:21 <vanous> but the idea is to publish it on each projects website
Feb 13 18:58:45 <nschle85> vanous: we should use the pages diff do get informed aubout the necessary of updating the translations
Feb 13 18:59:38 <vanous> nschle85: yup, but hopefully not many chhanges will be do on the main article anymore...
Feb 13 19:01:00 <nschle85> vanous: may be, but if one is done, it can be translated, so dont worry the diff in the wiki will be enough to track all the differences
Feb 13 19:02:11 <nschle85> anous: we should use the pages diff do get informed aubout the necessary of updating the translations
Feb 13 19:02:28 <nschle85> vanous:  we should use the pages diff do get informed aubout the necessary of updating the translations
Feb 13 19:03:29 <nschle85> vanous: so the tools provided by the wiki should work
Feb 13 19:03:37 <vanous> nschle85: i have made a mark in history for myself to know where i started translation
Feb 13 19:03:56 <vanous> nschle85: are there other tools to help us?
Feb 13 19:05:01 <nschle85> vanous: i dont know , using timestamps (marks) is the only way i know 
Feb 13 19:06:02 <nschle85> vanous: are you still online several hours today ? It may be necessary to ask you about some menings...
Feb 13 19:06:49 <[Rui]> hi all
Feb 13 19:06:53 <nschle85> vanous: i am still online but i would like to start translation...
Feb 13 19:07:02 <nschle85> [Rui]: hi
Feb 13 19:07:08 <mrmoku> ahh... [Rui]... our man for the portuguese translation :-P
Feb 13 19:07:09 <vanous> nschle85: not sure, how long but i should still be here some time...
Feb 13 19:07:47 <[Rui]> mrmoku: for a universe of 1 user (I think I'm the only pt guy of about a dozen using the freerunner) I'm not sure it's a worthy effort right now
Feb 13 19:08:04 <[Rui]> mrmoku: there's a current MUCH bigger issue, plugin a headset, get read for a non working fso
Feb 13 19:08:09 <[Rui]> s/read/ready/
Feb 13 19:08:10 <apt> [Rui] meant: mrmoku: there's a current MUCH bigger issue, plugin a headset, get ready for a non working fso
Feb 13 19:08:16 <nschle85> vanous: ok, ill add my changes but please let read someone else read the article
Feb 13 19:08:18 <mrmoku> [Rui]: well... that's the point of our PR... more porguguese users :)
Feb 13 19:08:33 <[Rui]> oh, translating a PR...
Feb 13 19:08:43 <mrmoku> [Rui]: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Feb11PRDraft
Feb 13 19:08:45 <[Rui]> I thought for gettext :)
Feb 13 19:08:51 <mrmoku> not yet ;)
Feb 13 19:09:11 <[Rui]> ok, what's the status of the draft?
Feb 13 19:09:18 <vanous> nschle85: ok
Feb 13 19:09:30 <[Rui]> WIP or done?
Feb 13 19:09:35 <mrmoku> guess it's almost finished
Feb 13 19:09:44 <mrmoku> probably some minor changes to come
Feb 13 19:09:56 <nschle85> vanous: what does FOSS stand for ?
Feb 13 19:10:06 <[Rui]> let me see if my pr experience from PRs of ANSOL and FFII can spot something
Feb 13 19:10:27 <mrmoku> nschle85: Free and Open Source Software
Feb 13 19:10:34 <mrmoku> nschle85: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSS
Feb 13 19:11:23 <mrmoku> [Rui]: great :)
Feb 13 19:12:41 <nschle85> vanous: wow i got the headline
Feb 13 19:13:09 <vanous> nschle85: :)
Feb 13 19:13:09 <nschle85> vanous: i think the headline is very important, so it should be reviewed now
Feb 13 19:14:02 <[Rui]> who's the target? it's too big
Feb 13 19:14:15 <TAsn> mrmoku, two questions:
Feb 13 19:14:18 <nschle85> vanous: have meal now, i am back in 30 minutes
Feb 13 19:14:25 <TAsn> 1. are you using latest e? if not, what rev?
Feb 13 19:14:33 <TAsn> 2. did you feel any recent speedups in text? :P
Feb 13 19:15:31 <[Rui]> TAsn: efl in shr-u still 1.0 IIRC
Feb 13 19:15:41 <TAsn> grrr :P
Feb 13 19:15:47 <TAsn> 1.0 dosen't have complete hebrew support
Feb 13 19:15:50 <[Rui]> TAsn: tell me about it
Feb 13 19:16:07 <[Rui]> TAsn: I'm stuck with an old tree as I want to develop stuff that'll work here :)
Feb 13 19:16:25 <TAsn> [Rui], btw, did you try ui-mirroring with elmdentica? :P
Feb 13 19:16:47 <[Rui]> TAsn: nopes.
Feb 13 19:17:33 <TAsn> too bad :)
Feb 13 19:23:06 * pespin starting es translation
Feb 13 19:23:44 <[Rui]> pespin: I'd wait a bit
Feb 13 19:23:52 <[Rui]> at least for me to finish giving baby cereals :)
Feb 13 19:24:23 <pespin> [Rui], lol I don't see the relation between the translation and the cereals of your baby xD
Feb 13 19:26:08 <nschle85> [Rui]: your baby is not openmoko compatible, my baby is sleeping :-) needs food in 2 hours :-)
Feb 13 19:28:35 <[Rui]> some stuff needs chages
Feb 13 19:30:52 <[Rui]> brb, we gave up, as I had noticed, he was too sleepy for food. bath and then I'll be back
Feb 13 19:35:45 <pespin> hmm in 1st paragraph... are you using FLOSS as a verb? -.^
Feb 13 19:36:12 <pespin> if not, I think then it lacks a verb xD
Feb 13 19:38:28 <pespin> omg, I think I never saw such large sentences :P
Feb 13 19:39:02 <elisa42> its rather long but it seems to be correct :)
Feb 13 19:39:41 <pespin> yeah, I had to continue reading about 2 more lines before I got it xD
Feb 13 19:43:20 <elisa42> maybe make 2 sentences out of it ;)
Feb 13 19:49:04 <[Rui]> I never liked floss because it really resembles a verb :) in portuguese Software Livre suits well and is what's most used anyway
Feb 13 19:49:13 <[Rui]> some stuff should be reworded as citations
Feb 13 19:49:33 <[Rui]> If possible, all the distros, have a more summarized about and an URL
Feb 13 19:50:12 <mickeyl> GNUtoo|laptop: ping
Feb 13 19:50:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickeyl, pong
Feb 13 19:50:46 <mickeyl> GNUtoo|laptop: hi, do you know how the BT ID should look like for a n900?
Feb 13 19:51:00 <[Rui]> mickeyl: right now, if I unplug a cable headset from the freerunner FSO stops working (reboot doesn't solve)
Feb 13 19:51:03 <GNUtoo|laptop> no idea
Feb 13 19:51:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> I don't run maemo anymore
Feb 13 19:51:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> what do you mean by ID?
Feb 13 19:52:03 <mickeyl> mac 
Feb 13 19:52:19 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Feb 13 19:52:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> I've no idea then
Feb 13 19:52:59 <[Rui]> can someone join this etherpad please? http://pad.telecomix.org/fsofeb14
Feb 13 19:53:10 <[Rui]> it's easier than the wiki as it's real time live editing on all ends
Feb 13 19:53:20 <[Rui]> then one can copy to the wiki
Feb 13 19:53:51 <mickeyl> GNUtoo|laptop: what if we can find out the bluetooth ID by means of the modem instead of looking at the CAL data? :D
Feb 13 19:53:55 <mickeyl> look here:
Feb 13 19:54:19 <mickeyl> Nokia-N900-51-1:/# hciconfig -a|grep BD
Feb 13 19:54:19 <mickeyl> 	BD Address: C8:97:9F:E3:28:33 ACL MTU: 1017:4 SCO MTU: 64:1
Feb 13 19:54:21 <mickeyl> and then
Feb 13 19:54:26 <alexxy> mickeyl: hi =)
Feb 13 19:54:28 <mickeyl> >>> print gsmdebug.DebugCommand("PHONEINFO", "17 1")
Feb 13 19:54:28 <mickeyl> 00 01 01 0C 00 06 33 28 E3 9F 97 C8 00 00       ......3(......
Feb 13 19:54:33 <mickeyl> hi alexxy 
Feb 13 19:54:48 <alexxy> mickeyl: did you check my sms problems with multiple smsc
Feb 13 19:54:57 <alexxy> and messages marked as seen
Feb 13 19:55:21 <mickeyl> the former yes, the latter not
Feb 13 19:55:42 <mickeyl> i need to use another means to compute the hash of an SMS
Feb 13 19:55:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> wow
Feb 13 19:55:51 <[Rui]> would be nice to hae the meego guys in it too
Feb 13 19:56:25 <PaulFertser> mickeyl: hci0    00:25:D0:5B:66:72
Feb 13 19:56:42 <mickeyl> GNUtoo|laptop: hmm, i'm not sure whether that is really coming from the modem, there are services where the modem calls back into userland code and then delivers the answer
Feb 13 19:56:57 <mickeyl> GNUtoo|laptop: so it may come from my maemo installation 
Feb 13 19:57:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickeyl, do that:
Feb 13 19:57:05 <mickeyl> we can only be sure with running SHR
Feb 13 19:57:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah I can try then
Feb 13 19:57:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I need a GUIDE
Feb 13 19:57:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> *guide
Feb 13 19:57:25 <mickeyl> you can't since fsogsmd doesn't run for oyu
Feb 13 19:57:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> else you could do that:
Feb 13 19:57:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> ./0xFFFF -x
Feb 13 19:57:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> on the device
Feb 13 19:57:46 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Feb 13 19:57:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's why I said i needed a guide
Feb 13 19:57:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> for making it work
Feb 13 19:58:08 <mickeyl> i have no idea where it is hanging for you
Feb 13 19:58:20 <mickeyl> and obviously i can't test :/
Feb 13 19:58:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> then try 0xFFFF on target
Feb 13 19:58:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> it will give the content of /dev/mtd1
Feb 13 19:59:24 <mickeyl> ok, we'll know what the BT GET_ID does once we have fsogsmd coming up
Feb 13 19:59:45 <mickeyl> on which kernel did you try?
Feb 13 20:00:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2.6.37-next from n900's gitorious
Feb 13 20:00:39 <mickeyl> ok, would be interesting to see whether it behaves differently on .32
Feb 13 20:00:58 <GNUtoo|laptop> .32?
Feb 13 20:01:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> we have no .32
Feb 13 20:01:06 <mickeyl> ya, or 28
Feb 13 20:01:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> we have .28, .35 ,.37
Feb 13 20:01:50 <[Rui]> ok, telecomix's etherpad seems to running pronlems.
Feb 13 20:02:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> mickeyl, but why doen't it log correclty on my part?
Feb 13 20:02:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> [Rui], lol, that's what you get with "cloud computing"
Feb 13 20:03:18 <mickeyl> GNUtoo|laptop: it seems to fail at an unexpected point in the phase
Feb 13 20:03:23 <[Rui]> GNUtoo|laptop: yeah, fog computing has issues :) http://piratepad.net/NJiU3hgfEU
Feb 13 20:03:45 <mickeyl> lets compare with what mrmoko gets
Feb 13 20:03:47 <mickeyl> bbl
Feb 13 20:04:00 * mrmoku is still building :/
Feb 13 20:04:20 <mrmoku> duh... not building :(
Feb 13 20:04:50 <mrmoku> shit
Feb 13 20:05:22 <mrmoku> | /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /OE/tmp/sysroots/x86_64-linux/usr/lib/perl/5.10.1/auto/IO/IO.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Istack_sp_ptr
Feb 13 20:06:54 <captainigloo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX6cLvt7Oao
Feb 13 20:07:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> captainigloo, hi did you look into bcm80211?
Feb 13 20:07:23 <captainigloo> hi GNUtoo|laptop 
Feb 13 20:07:25 <captainigloo> nope
Feb 13 20:07:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's the standard compiant broadcom driver
Feb 13 20:07:51 <captainigloo> i didn't launche my phone under SHR since the fosdem
Feb 13 20:07:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> it's in staging
Feb 13 20:08:04 <captainigloo> ok !
Feb 13 20:08:18 <captainigloo> I have work on the launcher (replacement for illume-home)
Feb 13 20:08:24 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok nice!!!!
Feb 13 20:08:28 * GNUtoo|laptop is downloading the video
Feb 13 20:08:46 <captainigloo> it's a first draft :)
Feb 13 20:09:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> captainigloo, you're in france?
Feb 13 20:09:06 <captainigloo> yes
Feb 13 20:09:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> paris?
Feb 13 20:09:11 <captainigloo> Toulouse
Feb 13 20:09:14 <GNUtoo|laptop> ah ok
Feb 13 20:10:24 <mrmoku> [Rui]: I'm in.. but quite lonely :P
Feb 13 20:10:45 <GNUtoo|laptop> wow!!!!!
Feb 13 20:10:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> because I think I made a big error at the fosdem
Feb 13 20:10:58 <[Rui]> mrmoku: at the pirate pad?
Feb 13 20:11:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> I tried to convince pespin to accept the other htcdream I have
Feb 13 20:11:26 <mrmoku> ahh... no... the telecomix one :P
Feb 13 20:11:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> but maybe I should have asked you instead
Feb 13 20:11:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> you = captainigloo 
Feb 13 20:12:13 <captainigloo> i have already an htc desire :)
Feb 13 20:12:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes but it need a lot of work
Feb 13 20:12:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> htcdream in the other hand is almost usable with some hard blockers
Feb 13 20:12:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> but still it's usable for a developer
Feb 13 20:14:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> captainigloo, basically her's the catch:
Feb 13 20:14:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> *here
Feb 13 20:14:31 <GNUtoo|laptop> Cotulla could work on alsa for our devices
Feb 13 20:14:34 <captainigloo> yep there is a lot of work to have something usable with the desire
Feb 13 20:14:41 <GNUtoo|laptop> but he comes from wince background
Feb 13 20:14:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> and has windows
Feb 13 20:14:51 <captainigloo> ah :)
Feb 13 20:14:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> so he need such setup:
Feb 13 20:15:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> initrd->vfat->rootfs.ext2
Feb 13 20:15:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> as he uses a virtual machine....
Feb 13 20:15:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> he can't untar the rootfs I have for him
Feb 13 20:15:40 <GNUtoo|laptop> he's disapointed by meego
Feb 13 20:15:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> so I wondered if he could work on alsa so we get something working in no time there
Feb 13 20:16:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> alsa is the big blocker
Feb 13 20:16:07 <GNUtoo|laptop> the rest seem easy
Feb 13 20:16:18 <captainigloo> where i could help ?
Feb 13 20:16:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> I mean there is AT command, NMEA(with free software activator and parser)
Feb 13 20:16:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> etc...
Feb 13 20:16:44 <GNUtoo|laptop> maybe try to replicate such setup
Feb 13 20:16:52 <GNUtoo|laptop> I will try to compile the knerel with another compiler
Feb 13 20:17:05 <GNUtoo|laptop> because there is an user who told me that the problem I had with the framebuffer
Feb 13 20:17:09 <GNUtoo|laptop> was because of the compiler
Feb 13 20:17:28 <GNUtoo|laptop> Basically Cotulla is the one who ported android to the HD2 aka htc leo
Feb 13 20:17:47 <captainigloo> and I use htcleo machine in my shr config
Feb 13 20:17:57 <GNUtoo|laptop> I tried to ping dcordes many times(the one who did the initramfs scripts)
Feb 13 20:18:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> but he didn't repsond
Feb 13 20:18:20 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes I think the htcleo machine config is from dcordes
Feb 13 20:18:24 <captainigloo> did you look at this page : http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD
Feb 13 20:18:32 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes of course
Feb 13 20:18:43 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll relook in case they updated something
Feb 13 20:19:01 <phh> GNUtoo|laptop: have you considered writing a pulseaudio driver using the same devices as android ?
Feb 13 20:19:10 <phh> they are fairly simple an documented
Feb 13 20:19:22 <captainigloo> ok, I reported the part dedicated on the desire
Feb 13 20:19:27 <GNUtoo|laptop> phh, could be the solution, but on dream pulseaudio would be slow
Feb 13 20:19:37 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Feb 13 20:19:40 <phh> alsa userland driver then
Feb 13 20:19:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> altough on nexusone....it could be doable
Feb 13 20:19:49 <captainigloo> would be better if it was in the kernel i guess
Feb 13 20:19:55 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I prefer spending time on nokia n900
Feb 13 20:20:12 <phh> captainigloo: many people have already tried a lot alsa in kernel.
Feb 13 20:21:12 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes
Feb 13 20:21:16 <GNUtoo|laptop> I tried
Feb 13 20:21:30 <GNUtoo|laptop> at the end I found a workarround
Feb 13 20:21:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> mplayer is usable on htcdream
Feb 13 20:21:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> but I wasn't indemn at the end
Feb 13 20:21:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> I mean I don't want to ever do it again
Feb 13 20:22:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> palm....
Feb 13 20:22:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> has a palm pixie
Feb 13 20:22:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> I looked at their code
Feb 13 20:22:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> they used userspace workarround
Feb 13 20:22:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> and didn't fix any of the issues
Feb 13 20:22:33 <GNUtoo|laptop> including some which I fixed
Feb 13 20:22:49 <GNUtoo|laptop> same for some android devices that use alsa
Feb 13 20:23:01 <GNUtoo|laptop> and the same sound chip
Feb 13 20:23:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> none fixed the issues
Feb 13 20:23:26 <GNUtoo|laptop> so that's a big blocker
Feb 13 20:23:48 <GNUtoo|laptop> that's why I said I was stupid not proposing you the htcdream
Feb 13 20:23:54 <GNUtoo|laptop> because....
Feb 13 20:24:06 <GNUtoo|laptop> you're in a worse situation than me with the htcdream
Feb 13 20:24:15 <GNUtoo|laptop> yes it works....but try mplayer
Feb 13 20:24:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> on your phone
Feb 13 20:24:22 <GNUtoo|laptop> with alsa....
Feb 13 20:24:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> aplay works
Feb 13 20:24:25 <GNUtoo|laptop> as usual 
Feb 13 20:24:36 <GNUtoo|laptop> but mplayer + big buck bunny....
Feb 13 20:24:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> buffer underrun everywhere
Feb 13 20:24:56 <GNUtoo|laptop> altough alsa userland driver....
Feb 13 20:25:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> that could be done easily
Feb 13 20:28:10 <GNUtoo|laptop> captainigloo, do you want source code for playing music under GNU/Linux with android sound system?
Feb 13 20:28:34 <GNUtoo|laptop> something better than cat something.wav > /dev/msm_pcm_out
Feb 13 20:29:02 <captainigloo> GNUtoo|laptop: I need to go
Feb 13 20:29:08 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Feb 13 20:29:10 <captainigloo> and big problem on my server :(
Feb 13 20:29:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok
Feb 13 20:29:18 <GNUtoo|laptop> see you later
Feb 13 20:29:23 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll be absent for some days
Feb 13 20:29:23 <captainigloo> yep it's better :)
Feb 13 20:29:27 <captainigloo> sorry
Feb 13 20:29:29 <GNUtoo|laptop> np
Feb 13 20:29:30 <captainigloo> ok
Feb 13 20:29:32 <captainigloo> np
Feb 13 20:37:02 <nschle85> [Rui]: my baby is playing withot pampers... now he feels what FLOPP is (Free Libbre Open PoPo ):-)
Feb 13 20:37:37 <mrmoku> nschle85: and you will feel what it means to dry the carpet ;)
Feb 13 20:40:42 <nschle85> mrmoku: no we have a lot of weapons against that :-)
Feb 13 20:41:12 <nschle85> mrmoku: now he is covered by microsoft
Feb 13 20:47:28 <TAsn> mrmoku, !
Feb 13 20:47:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, ping
Feb 13 20:49:55 <[Rui]> nschle85: hehe
Feb 13 20:50:14 <TAsn> nschle85, also ping
Feb 13 20:50:17 <TAsn> I need a german guy
Feb 13 20:50:23 <TAsn> !
Feb 13 20:51:39 <nschle85> [Rui]: TAsn: iam online and still fighting with englisch langage
Feb 13 20:52:20 <mrmoku> TAsn: pong !
Feb 13 20:52:27 <TAsn> nschle85, I need a flight from hannover to geneve/chambery
Feb 13 20:52:31 <TAsn> mrmoku, ^
Feb 13 20:52:37 <mrmoku> heh
Feb 13 20:52:43 <TAsn> but I can't manage to find any
Feb 13 20:52:44 * mrmoku has no airplane :P
Feb 13 20:52:50 <TAsn> I think it's because I don't speak german
Feb 13 20:52:54 <TAsn> and I only get to spam sites
Feb 13 20:53:02 <mrmoku> ok
Feb 13 20:53:04 <TAsn> any recommendations?
Feb 13 20:53:13 <TAsn> useful websites maybe?
Feb 13 20:53:16 <mrmoku> looking
Feb 13 20:53:27 <mrmoku> nschle85: wait with fighting the english... there will be some changes
Feb 13 20:53:39 <nschle85> TAsn: ok, saved the sentence
Feb 13 20:53:52 <mrmoku> TAsn: paid by Samsung? :P
Feb 13 20:53:53 <TAsn> ?
Feb 13 20:54:28 <TAsn> paid by tasn
Feb 13 20:54:38 <mrmoku> ok... so no first class?
Feb 13 20:54:46 <TAsn> preferably easyjet ;P
Feb 13 20:54:47 <nschle85> i am looking by several sites
Feb 13 20:54:53 <TAsn> j/k
Feb 13 20:54:56 <TAsn> don't mind the airliner
Feb 13 20:54:56 <pespin> TAsn, maybe german only have spam in their webpages :P
Feb 13 20:55:06 <mrmoku> nah
Feb 13 20:55:09 <nschle85> try Unsere Community wurde entwickelt macht stetige Fortschritte im Laufe der Jahre. Die einzige Voraussetzung ist eine solide, Linux Hardware unterstützt. Und wir haben es jetzt - das Openmoko-Handys, dem neuen Palm Pré-Telefone, die Linux-Tank Nokia N900, das TAsn: http://www.billiger-fliegen.de/
Feb 13 20:55:09 <TAsn> pespin, only germans have spam in german
Feb 13 20:55:25 <nschle85> TAsn: http://www.billiger-fliegen.de/
Feb 13 20:56:19 <TAsn> thanks, will look there.
Feb 13 20:56:36 <TAsn> nur Hinflug
Feb 13 20:56:38 <TAsn> mean one way?
Feb 13 20:56:40 <TAsn> meas*
Feb 13 20:56:42 <TAsn> means*
Feb 13 20:57:00 <mrmoku> yup
Feb 13 20:57:23 <nschle85> TAsn: have you tried swoodo.com ?
Feb 13 20:57:43 <TAsn> nope
Feb 13 20:57:58 <nschle85> TAsn: sometimes it will be cheaper to book directly by airline
Feb 13 20:58:55 <TAsn> nschle85, I got to a point
Feb 13 20:58:57 <mrmoku> looks like there is no direct flight
Feb 13 20:59:01 <TAsn> I don't care about the cost
Feb 13 20:59:05 <TAsn> I just wanna get there
Feb 13 20:59:13 <TAsn> mrmoku, what about hannover -> geneve?
Feb 13 20:59:44 <PaulFertser> GNUtoo|laptop: btw, if you have non-maemo system running atm, can you show me `` ip l sh phonet0 ''?
Feb 13 21:00:07 <nschle85> mrmoku: i am translating ... what kind of changes ?
Feb 13 21:00:59 <nschle85> mrmoku: iam always commiting sentency by sentence, the last sentence is crappy ... because TAsn needed some help
Feb 13 21:01:03 <mrmoku> TAsn: when?
Feb 13 21:01:18 <TAsn> mrmoku, depends
Feb 13 21:01:21 <TAsn> if it's to geneve
Feb 13 21:01:27 <mrmoku> nschle85: http://piratepad.net/NJiU3hgfEU
Feb 13 21:01:33 <TAsn> the 4th of march (evening/night)
Feb 13 21:01:55 <TAsn> but if there's nothing to geneve
Feb 13 21:02:00 <TAsn> possibly lyon
Feb 13 21:02:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> ok, give me a sec
Feb 13 21:02:07 <TAsn> and I'll just take a train in france
Feb 13 21:02:56 <TAsn> omg
Feb 13 21:02:59 <TAsn> I think I found some flights
Feb 13 21:03:02 <GNUtoo|laptop> 2: phonet0: <POINTOPOINT,NOARP,UP> mtu 4000 qdisc pfifo_fast state UNKNOWN qlen 100
Feb 13 21:03:06 <GNUtoo|laptop>     link/[820] 15 peer 00
Feb 13 21:03:08 <nschle85> mrmoku: reading the first sentences i got a deja vu
Feb 13 21:03:18 <nschle85> mrmoku: what does it mean ?
Feb 13 21:03:28 <mrmoku> TAsn: http://www.lufthansa.com/online/portal/lh/de/booking/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3hHg2B_U3d358BQiyBzA0_fEG8Ln5BQYy8nE30v_aj0nPwkoMpwkF7car3MIPIGOICjgb6fS2paYmlOiX6kfpQ5LoMsHE30I3NS0xOTK_XD8vKLcoFWF2QHB1n4OCoCANgHveQ!/dl3/d3/L0lJSklncFNpbENTZWtBISEvb0l3d0FBQVlRQUFFSVFSQk1JaFJGTU1ZemtNRS80Qm40UklBcU5BU0Q0UXNvSExDQS82X0EwU081R0dDUVU4UjcwSU1USzhMVFUzSkI2LzdfQTBTTzVHR0NRVThSNzBJTVRLOExUVTM4TTMvbi9tYXhpbWl6ZWQvRG
Feb 13 21:03:39 <TAsn> just one direction
Feb 13 21:03:40 <TAsn> right?
Feb 13 21:03:49 <mrmoku> yup... very expensive :/
Feb 13 21:04:01 <TAsn> mrmoku, hannover->chambery or just to geneve?
Feb 13 21:04:09 <mrmoku> geneve
Feb 13 21:04:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> there is something at geneve?
Feb 13 21:04:58 <TAsn> thanks
Feb 13 21:05:08 <TAsn> GNUtoo|laptop, yes, a ride to val d'isere :P
Feb 13 21:05:21 <TAsn> mrmoku, wtf
Feb 13 21:05:24 <TAsn> 800euro?!
Feb 13 21:05:32 <TAsn> from hannover to geneve?
Feb 13 21:05:35 <TAsn> wtf?!
Feb 13 21:05:49 <TAsn> I think it's cheaper for me to take a plane to israel and then back to geneve
Feb 13 21:06:07 <TAsn> oh
Feb 13 21:06:09 <TAsn> there's a connection
Feb 13 21:06:19 <vanous> nschle85, mrmoku: ok guys, i have to go. i am sure through the translation you will come with some changes. i will incorporate those tomorrow into my translation, which i have just finished.
Feb 13 21:06:41 <mrmoku> vanous: http://piratepad.net/NJiU3hgfEU
Feb 13 21:06:57 <TAsn> omg still expensive
Feb 13 21:06:58 <TAsn> wtf
Feb 13 21:07:04 <GNUtoo|laptop> a conference like fosdem?
Feb 13 21:07:05 <vanous> hehe, pirate pad... i should find a link to the original, where it started :)
Feb 13 21:07:20 <[Rui]> TAsn: train?
Feb 13 21:07:26 <nschle85> vanous: is the original from you ?
Feb 13 21:07:28 <TAsn> [Rui], it's a very long train
Feb 13 21:07:33 <vanous> yes
Feb 13 21:07:41 <TAsn> GNUtoo|laptop, I'm going to cebit, and from cebit to the val d'isere ski resort
Feb 13 21:07:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> lol ok
Feb 13 21:07:48 <TAsn> [Rui], train ride*
Feb 13 21:07:54 <[Rui]> vanous: sorry if I "raped" it :) but it should be a lot shorter
Feb 13 21:07:58 <mrmoku> TAsn: there is one for 422 €
Feb 13 21:08:22 <TAsn> mrmoku, also quite expensive for just one direction
Feb 13 21:08:25 <mrmoku> yup
Feb 13 21:08:40 <TAsn> I think my current tickets
Feb 13 21:08:40 <vanous> [Rui]: no problem at all, although i wish you guys have done it a bit earlier, before me and dos translated..., but nvm
Feb 13 21:08:43 <TAsn> to geneve and back
Feb 13 21:08:46 <TAsn> cost less
Feb 13 21:09:01 <[Rui]> vanous: lol, I have been out this weekend and just arrived home a few hours ago.
Feb 13 21:09:12 <vanous> no problem at all
Feb 13 21:09:17 <[Rui]> vanous: I also dreaded translating that whole thing to pt_PT
Feb 13 21:09:43 <vanous> i have a very busy week ahead of me, so please push it to a successful end
Feb 13 21:10:09 <vanous> one of these nights i will translate it again
Feb 13 21:10:51 <[Rui]> I won't tonight, just eat something and go to bed (if the baby let's me sleep enough to recover)
Feb 13 21:11:50 <vanous> [Rui]: i got the children to sleep a while ago 
Feb 13 21:12:02 <vanous> btw, i have found the original pad link :)) http://piratepad.net/JJUCUQBwRr
Feb 13 21:12:34 <mrmoku> TAsn: 10 hours :P
Feb 13 21:12:35 <vanous> [Rui]: and thank you :)
Feb 13 21:12:43 <TAsn> mrmoku, that's reasonable
Feb 13 21:12:47 <TAsn> just went to bahn.com
Feb 13 21:12:50 <TAsn> can't calculate fare
Feb 13 21:13:04 <TAsn> but how much should it cost?
Feb 13 21:13:38 <TAsn> 13:52 to annecy :|
Feb 13 21:14:01 <mrmoku> TAsn: to geneve it's 8:45 hours and costs  109,00 €
Feb 13 21:14:11 <mrmoku> (special offer... normal price is 167,00)
Feb 13 21:14:33 <TAsn> do I at least get a bed? or is it for a seat?
Feb 13 21:14:48 <mrmoku> to chambery it does not show the price due to unknown costs in swiss
Feb 13 21:15:04 <mrmoku> bed? hehe... for sure costs extra
Feb 13 21:15:09 <TAsn> annecy is better
Feb 13 21:15:14 <TAsn> trying to get there
Feb 13 21:15:16 <mrmoku> and then, I thought you want to arrive in the evening?
Feb 13 21:15:19 <mrmoku> or depart in the evening?
Feb 13 21:15:20 <TAsn> or bourg st maurice
Feb 13 21:15:30 <TAsn> mrmoku, I want to arrive either to geneve at the evening
Feb 13 21:15:43 <TAsn> or to annecy
Feb 13 21:15:48 <TAsn> at the morning the day after
Feb 13 21:17:38 <TAsn> mrmoku, do you know what's the name of the hannover central station?
Feb 13 21:17:50 <mrmoku> Hannover Hbf
Feb 13 21:18:46 <TAsn> thx
Feb 13 21:19:22 <mrmoku> yw
Feb 13 21:19:40 <mrmoku> TAsn: consider to change plans and go surfing instead :P
Feb 13 21:19:59 <mrmoku> North Sea is very close to Hannover ;)
Feb 13 21:20:09 <TAsn> haha
Feb 13 21:20:50 <vanous> gtg, gn
Feb 13 21:21:00 <TAsn> night
Feb 13 21:21:05 <TAsn> mrmoku, uber-cold though, isn't it?
Feb 13 21:24:15 <nschle85> TAsn: where are you from ? 
Feb 13 21:24:40 <nschle85> are you really from Israel ?
Feb 13 21:24:56 <TAsn> yeah, the place with the drums.
Feb 13 21:25:14 <nschle85> TAsn: pleaee keep serious
Feb 13 21:25:23 <TAsn> yeah, Israel
Feb 13 21:26:22 <nschle85> TAsn: I have too look that i can meet you, if yes, i can offer you a stop in munich
Feb 13 21:26:44 <mrmoku> mickey|bbl: ping
Feb 13 21:26:53 <mrmoku> TAsn: cold yes
Feb 13 21:27:00 <mrmoku> not colder than snow though :P
Feb 13 21:27:26 <TAsn> nschle85, thanks for the offer, though my problem is lack of time, not the opposite (unfortunately)
Feb 13 21:29:44 <TAsn> ok, I'm starting to give up
Feb 13 21:29:52 <TAsn> germany is a complicated country :P
Feb 13 21:30:06 <nschle85> by car (at least 200PS at nicht you can trive hannover->genf in 10 hours
Feb 13 21:31:03 <nschle85> 900km
Feb 13 21:31:04 <mrmoku> TAsn: decided for train now?
Feb 13 21:31:12 <TAsn> mrmoku, no idea.
Feb 13 21:31:19 <TAsn> this train thingie
Feb 13 21:31:29 <TAsn> means I'll have to speak german
Feb 13 21:31:34 <TAsn> and find the proper train station
Feb 13 21:31:35 <TAsn> :P
Feb 13 21:31:58 <mrmoku> Hannover Hbf you will find even without speaking german :)
Feb 13 21:32:01 <TAsn> yeah
Feb 13 21:32:04 <mrmoku> though you have to change trains
Feb 13 21:32:05 <TAsn> but the 2 transfers
Feb 13 21:32:07 <TAsn> yep
Feb 13 21:32:15 <TAsn> at best I'd have to speak german
Feb 13 21:32:19 <nschle85> TAsn: go to sixt, take merces .... 1000kms you are in genf
Feb 13 21:32:27 <TAsn> at worst, I'd have to speak both german and french
Feb 13 21:32:36 <TAsn> nschle85, honestly: maybe it's not a bad idea
Feb 13 21:32:42 <TAsn> how much does a car go for these days?
Feb 13 21:32:54 <TAsn> maybe I'll pull an all nighter of driving :P
Feb 13 21:33:06 <nschle85> TAsn: days ??? 1000 km is 1/2 a day
Feb 13 21:33:19 <nschle85> 10 hours (at night)
Feb 13 21:33:21 <TAsn> nschle85, no, I meant
Feb 13 21:33:25 <TAsn> how much does it cost to rent a car
Feb 13 21:33:28 <PaulFertser> TAsn: fyi i had no difficulty being in DE speaking only English. 
Feb 13 21:33:37 <TAsn> PaulFertser, yeah, I'm just joking :)
Feb 13 21:34:18 <nschle85> TAsn: visit sixt.de
Feb 13 21:35:01 <TAsn> grr
Feb 13 21:35:04 <TAsn> another website in german
Feb 13 21:35:09 <TAsn> that's it, I'm taking german courses.
Feb 13 21:35:09 <TAsn> ;P
Feb 13 21:35:10 <nschle85> TAsn: what are you willing to pay ? ( ill take one day holiday )
Feb 13 21:35:13 <mrmoku> TAsn: heh, they are kidding
Feb 13 21:35:15 <mrmoku> http://www.hertz.de/rentacar/reservation/gaq/index.jsp?targetPage=whatView.jsp
Feb 13 21:35:24 <mrmoku> ahh... probably won't work for you
Feb 13 21:35:39 <TAsn> only 50eur a day
Feb 13 21:35:41 <TAsn> that's cheap.
Feb 13 21:35:49 <TAsn> (comparing to the trains and wahtever)
Feb 13 21:36:04 <PaulFertser> Plus petrol.
Feb 13 21:36:05 <nschle85> TAsn: add benzine
Feb 13 21:36:22 <nschle85> TAsn: and add police
Feb 13 21:36:46 <PaulFertser> nschle85: what do you mean?
Feb 13 21:37:31 <mrmoku> TAsn: heh, I get 450 € if you pick up the car in Hannover on 4th and give it back in Geneve on 5th
Feb 13 21:37:32 <nschle85> PaulFertser: to drive the range in 10 ours at dayly time he must be very fast :-)
Feb 13 21:38:34 <nschle85> TAsn: for 450€ i brig you from Hannover  to Genf
Feb 13 21:39:41 <nschle85> TAsn: please dont cry at Vmax of my car :-)
Feb 13 21:40:35 <[Rui]> TAsn: how much to rent a car?
Feb 13 21:40:55 <nschle85> [Rui]: its cheap
Feb 13 21:41:06 <[Rui]> oh but 1000 km is too much
Feb 13 21:41:27 <[Rui]> 1 person driving that long... disaster begs to happen
Feb 13 21:42:30 <mrmoku> nschle85: it seems to be not very cheap if you want to return the car in a different city
Feb 13 21:43:56 <nschle85> mrmoku: for an golf 386
Feb 13 21:46:21 <mrmoku> nschle85: where?
Feb 13 21:46:32 <nschle85> sixt
Feb 13 21:46:46 <nschle85> but i entered no special date
Feb 13 21:46:57 <TAsn> sorry, I'm back.
Feb 13 21:46:59 <mrmoku> I get the golf for 347 €
Feb 13 21:47:05 <mrmoku> though it has only 300 km inclusive
Feb 13 21:47:06 <TAsn> ok, sucky.
Feb 13 21:47:23 <mrmoku> add 0,21 per km after those 300 :/
Feb 13 21:47:24 <TAsn> mrmoku, which is closer to hannover
Feb 13 21:47:36 <TAsn> berlin/hamburg
Feb 13 21:47:41 <mrmoku> hamburg
Feb 13 21:48:29 <TAsn> how much time does it take by train?
Feb 13 21:48:54 <TAsn> (hamburg -> hannover)
Feb 13 21:50:29 <mrmoku> TAsn: 1:30 h
Feb 13 21:50:55 <mrmoku> TAsn: from Hamburg there are more interesting offers for flights
Feb 13 21:51:06 <mrmoku> 160 € the cheapest
Feb 13 21:51:17 <TAsn> oh
Feb 13 21:51:20 <TAsn> that makes sense :)
Feb 13 21:51:37 <TAsn> I can probably find for less.
Feb 13 21:51:42 <TAsn> yeah, though I guess I'll book
Feb 13 21:52:04 <TAsn> tel-aviv -> hamburg -> hannover, hannover->hamburg->geneve or something
Feb 13 21:52:10 <nschle85> TAsn: but you should calculate the time from train station to airport !
Feb 13 21:52:48 <TAsn> yeah
Feb 13 21:52:54 <PaulFertser> LOL, now i can even get shit receive packets from uplink, toss it to the modem, receive the reply but forwarding it goes to the modem again :(
Feb 13 21:53:16 <mrmoku> TAsn: berlin might be even more interesting
Feb 13 21:53:24 <TAsn> regarding prices?
Feb 13 21:53:29 <mrmoku> TAsn: there is a direct flight to geneve for 84€
Feb 13 21:53:40 <TAsn> hehe
Feb 13 21:53:42 <TAsn> and train time
Feb 13 21:53:45 <TAsn> is almost the same
Feb 13 21:53:52 <mrmoku> dunno if easyJet is a good airline though :P
Feb 13 21:54:48 <nschle85> TAsn: but do calculate the time between  you ariving airport and starting airport 
Feb 13 21:54:56 <TAsn> nschle85, yeah
Feb 13 21:55:21 <[Rui]> mrmoku: easyjet is anair BUS
Feb 13 21:55:39 <mrmoku> :)
Feb 13 21:55:40 <nschle85> TAsn: the 2 airports are 1 our in between
Feb 13 21:55:43 <[Rui]> take it as a bus that flies very fast and it's ok for short distances
Feb 13 21:56:07 <TAsn> nschle85, which 2 airports?
Feb 13 21:56:22 <TAsn> oh, I can even take a train
Feb 13 21:56:25 <TAsn> I don't mind
Feb 13 21:56:26 <TAsn> same thing
Feb 13 21:56:29 <nschle85> Schönefeld SFX and Tegel 
Feb 13 21:56:31 <mrmoku> [Rui]: I guess as long as it won't crash TAsn does not care :P
Feb 13 21:56:41 <TAsn> haha
Feb 13 21:56:44 <TAsn> nschle85, no german. :P
Feb 13 21:57:02 <mrmoku> TAsn: those are two of Berlins airports
Feb 13 21:57:10 <TAsn> ohh
Feb 13 21:57:11 <[Rui]> plane is much safer than train, statisically
Feb 13 21:57:24 <nschle85> TAsn: who is the german ????
Feb 13 21:57:32 <mrmoku> the cheapo one is departing from SFX
Feb 13 21:57:34 <TAsn> [Rui], and trains are worst to the environment than planes.
Feb 13 21:57:44 <TAsn> mrmoku, which is on east or west berlin?
Feb 13 21:57:49 <nschle85> SFX=Schönefeld
Feb 13 21:57:58 <mrmoku> TAsn: those times are over ;)
Feb 13 21:58:06 <[Rui]> TAsn: really?
Feb 13 21:58:09 <TAsn> mrmoku, haha.
Feb 13 21:58:12 <TAsn> what I meant
Feb 13 21:58:16 <TAsn> [Rui], yeah.
Feb 13 21:58:24 <nschle85> mrmoku: no SFX will be expanded
Feb 13 21:58:41 <TAsn> mrmoku, which is farther from hannover?
Feb 13 21:58:42 <TAsn> :P
Feb 13 21:58:51 <mrmoku> TAsn: not sure
Feb 13 21:58:59 <TAsn> :)
Feb 13 21:59:00 <nschle85> TAsn: the other one is Tegel TXL
Feb 13 21:59:06 <TAsn> yeah
Feb 13 21:59:26 <TAsn> got that
Feb 13 21:59:27 <mrmoku> SFX more east than TXL would be my guess :)
Feb 13 22:00:03 <TAsn> i.c
Feb 13 22:00:18 <nschle85> mrmoku: SFX is mor east and more south
Feb 13 22:00:35 <nschle85> mrmoku: i grow up in berlin...
Feb 13 22:00:40 <TAsn> tegel is closer to hannover
Feb 13 22:00:42 <TAsn> yeah
Feb 13 22:01:07 <nschle85> TAsn: Jah 20km :-)
Feb 13 22:01:08 <TAsn> but I guess that's only because I cant find sfx :P
Feb 13 22:01:11 <mrmoku> TAsn: and no... there is no flight from SFX to TXL :P
Feb 13 22:01:36 <TAsn> ok found it
Feb 13 22:01:39 <mrmoku> (if you don't want to spend lots of bugs for a chartered helicopter)
Feb 13 22:01:46 <TAsn> hehe
Feb 13 22:01:55 <TAsn> sfx: north east
Feb 13 22:01:58 <nschle85> TAsn: between TXL and SFX are only train and bus, you need 1 hour !
Feb 13 22:02:04 <TAsn> txl: south east
Feb 13 22:02:07 <TAsn> sfx north west
Feb 13 22:02:08 <TAsn> bah :P
Feb 13 22:02:15 <mrmoku> [Rui]: who will transfer to the wiki? Or do you still want to edit?
Feb 13 22:02:19 <TAsn> nschle85, oh, only sfx is domestic?
Feb 13 22:02:37 <TAsn> I'll just take a train
Feb 13 22:02:42 <TAsn> will probably be faster anyway
Feb 13 22:02:46 <PaulFertser> mickey|bbl: this phonet is such a pain, you see, now i can even receive from uplink and send to phonet but i can't send anything back to upstream. Why do not we just ask the one who wrote all that code about how to write the forwarder properly?
Feb 13 22:03:18 <nschle85> TAsn: you should keep in mind 1 hour between the airpports
Feb 13 22:03:25 <nschle85> TAsn: its like in moscow
Feb 13 22:03:44 <TAsn> never been to moscow
Feb 13 22:04:06 <nschle85> TAsn: there you have the same problem, 2 airports !
Feb 13 22:04:16 <TAsn> we don't have this problem in israel
Feb 13 22:04:18 <TAsn> only one airport
Feb 13 22:04:33 <nschle85> TAsn: so you dont need N900
Feb 13 22:04:39 <TAsn> yeah
Feb 13 22:05:27 <TAsn> ok, off to a friend
Feb 13 22:05:31 <TAsn> damn I'm going to be wasted tomorrow
Feb 13 22:05:32 <TAsn> ;P
Feb 13 22:05:40 <TAsn> will take care of the flight tomorrow or something
Feb 13 22:05:44 <TAsn> or possibly next week
Feb 13 22:05:45 <nschle85> TAsn: i would like to say: if you book your flights keep care of landing and starting airport, youll need 1 hour between them
Feb 13 22:05:46 <TAsn> or the one after
Feb 13 22:05:55 <TAsn> nschle85, yeah, noted, thanks.
Feb 13 22:06:08 <TAsn> nschle85, though I think I'll just take a train from berlin to hannover
Feb 13 22:06:51 <TAsn> bye, and thanks all.
Feb 13 22:06:56 <nschle85> TAsn: keep care of you train station... you may need one hour.....
Feb 13 22:09:38 <nschle85> TAsn: if i would know what you you want i can talk to my wife and catch you in hannover and bring you to geneve
Feb 13 22:13:44 <[Rui]> mrmoku: feel free to transfer, my head is blowing up, just finishing dinner and off to bed.
Feb 13 22:15:12 <jonwil> anyone here know who Tyson Key is?
Feb 13 22:15:13 <nschle85> [Rui]: you should enjoy your spare time, my thyran is sleeping until 03.00 AM ...
Feb 13 22:22:48 <mrmoku> [Rui]: ok, thanks
Feb 13 22:30:09 <mrmoku> [Rui]: one thing... is the piratepad thing persistantß
Feb 13 22:30:11 <mrmoku> ?
Feb 13 22:30:25 <mrmoku> [Rui]: nvm. will transfer now :)
Feb 13 22:30:26 <[Rui]> mrmoku: I'm not sure, better not count it as being so
Feb 13 22:35:40 <nschle85> mrmoku: ill not finish today ( in my timezone)
Feb 13 22:40:15 <mrmoku> [Rui]: transfered to the wiki and safed locally as text file
Feb 13 22:40:30 * [Rui] nods
Feb 13 22:40:35 <[Rui]> zZz
Feb 13 22:40:39 * mrmoku too
Feb 13 22:41:23 <mrmoku> mickey|bbl: if you have time take a look at http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Feb11PRDraft and tell if you're fine with replacing XYZ with Dr. Michael Lauer :-)
Feb 13 22:42:59 <mrmoku> nschle85: no problem... let's finish tomorrow
Feb 13 22:43:12 <mrmoku> gnight all
Feb 13 22:43:15 <elisa42> gn8
Feb 13 22:43:40 <nschle85> mrmoku: ok but we have tomorrow in 15 minutes :-)
Feb 13 22:44:11 <nschle85> mrmoku: ill try to finish today but it needs really review
Feb 13 22:44:47 <nschle85> mrmoku: most sentences needs a lawer to understand
Feb 13 22:46:47 <DocScrutinizer> regarding CAL: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4874 FYI, in case it's of use to anyone:  the OpenWrt project now has another free implementation in <https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/packages/utils/calvaria>.
Feb 14 01:35:21 <jonwil> who here was working on libgisi for the n900 for freesmartphone?
Feb 14 01:36:45 <jonwil> I need some code to send some packets to the cell modem on my N900 and deal with the responses :)
Feb 14 01:50:48 <antrik> TAsn: you say it as if it was *only* the last king that was half German :-)
Feb 14 02:17:51 <antrik> jonwil: mickey|bbl 
Feb 14 02:38:42 <TAsn> antrik, no, I'm just saying him specifically, english is a Germanic language, so obviously we owe them much more :P
Feb 14 02:40:44 <larsc> english is half french
Feb 14 02:44:26 <TAsn> larsc, only recently
Feb 14 02:44:29 <TAsn> and not really
Feb 14 02:44:34 <TAsn> well not recently
Feb 14 02:44:42 <TAsn> but still not a lot
Feb 14 02:44:55 <TAsn> just a lot of phrases/words
Feb 14 02:45:01 <TAsn> but the structure is germanic
Feb 14 02:45:30 <TAsn> anyhow
Feb 14 02:45:42 <TAsn> since I'm not a language expert and I don't even speak german
Feb 14 02:45:50 <TAsn> it's time for me to go.
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