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Mar 20 12:23:40 <TAsn-work> dos1, mrmoku: ping
Mar 20 12:25:20 <TAsn-work> dos1, mrmoku: we are going to kill software16 soon, so speak now, or forever hold your peace.
Mar 20 12:26:09 <dos1> TAsn-work: how "kill software16"?
Mar 20 12:26:23 <TAsn-work> svn rm -r software16
Mar 20 12:27:15 <TAsn-work> any objections?
Mar 20 12:27:31 <TAsn-work> software8 will remain though.
Mar 20 12:27:40 <TAsn-work> :P
Mar 20 12:28:03 <dos1> there is software8? wow :D
Mar 20 12:28:10 <TAsn-work> yeah
Mar 20 12:28:11 <TAsn-work> :)
Mar 20 12:28:23 <dos1> i guess i'll have to try it :D
Mar 20 12:28:25 <dos1> but well
Mar 20 12:28:31 <TAsn-work> we have software 8 if you want something fast and ugly
Mar 20 12:28:40 <TAsn-work> but sw16 is not fast enough and too ugly
Mar 20 12:28:42 <TAsn-work> to keep
Mar 20 12:28:43 <TAsn-work> :)
Mar 20 12:28:54 <TAsn-work> and tbh, it's only needed for the fr
Mar 20 12:28:59 <TAsn-work> nothing else in the world :)
Mar 20 12:29:14 <dos1> if noone is going to maintain 16, then i think it's fair enough
Mar 20 12:29:16 <TAsn-work> if you really want it, you can keep a patch and comply it yourself
Mar 20 12:29:23 <TAsn-work> compile*
Mar 20 12:29:30 <TAsn-work> yourself = add to the recipe
Mar 20 12:29:58 <TAsn-work> just wanted you to know so you'll be able to cope with it when the time comes
Mar 20 12:30:01 <dos1> TAsn-work: well, we can still do that in future if we really want ;)
Mar 20 12:30:04 <dos1> TAsn-work: ok, thanks
Mar 20 12:30:17 <TAsn-work> yeah, just wanted to make sure
Mar 20 12:30:23 <TAsn-work> we won't get a version that doesn't work well
Mar 20 12:30:30 <TAsn-work> cause we set engine to sw16 but it didn't exist
Mar 20 12:30:31 <TAsn-work> :)
Mar 20 12:30:38 <TAsn-work> (yeah, it should fallback to sw, but still)
Mar 20 16:40:31 <pespin> hey guys, thanks for updating News page in wiki. I've been quite off this last week as I've been ill ;)
Mar 20 18:24:46 <[Rui]> pespin: ouch, hope you're better now :) I'm still coughing from aftereffects of last week's laryngitis
Mar 20 18:36:19 <pespin> [Rui], I'm coughing here too u.u
Mar 20 18:36:58 <pespin> but at least I don't have fever since thursday ;)
Mar 20 18:38:03 <pespin> btw, I'm giving a talk on SHR next weekend :D
Mar 20 18:42:21 <[Rui]> oh nice!
Mar 20 18:42:23 <[Rui]> captainigloo: hi
Mar 20 18:42:36 <[Rui]> captainigloo: not only I recently added multishift to the keyboard, I'll be adding altgr later today
Mar 20 18:43:31 <[Rui]> captainigloo: with these shifters and a larger keyboard, it'll be a lot better to type with illumekeyboard
Mar 20 18:44:11 <[Rui]> pespin: I never got to have a fever with this , lucky for all three of us :)
Mar 20 18:44:12 <[Rui]> brb
Mar 20 18:45:08 <captainigloo> [Rui], great !
Mar 20 18:45:26 <captainigloo> i will try it
Mar 20 19:17:03 <morphis> apt help
Mar 20 19:17:05 <morphis> heyho
Mar 20 19:17:47 <morphis> mickeyl: ping
Mar 20 19:22:44 <morphis> mickeyl: hast du vorher ein 'make memboot' bzw. 'make memload' ausgeführt?
Mar 20 19:23:07 <morphis> uuups
Mar 20 19:23:24 <morphis> thats one step the howto on shr-project.org is missing ...
Mar 20 19:25:15 <captainigloo> morphis, http://imagebin.org/144006
Mar 20 19:25:52 <captainigloo> what could be the first part of unity spec in elfe
Mar 20 19:26:09 <captainigloo> morphis, a find that ugly ;)
Mar 20 19:26:27 <captainigloo> ugly theme
Mar 20 19:26:30 <morphis> captainigloo: looks good
Mar 20 19:26:36 <morphis> yeah theme is ugly
Mar 20 19:27:05 <morphis> yeah you made a transparent buttom bar
Mar 20 19:27:25 <morphis> whats "Keep in Launcher"?
Mar 20 19:27:46 <captainigloo> ah and I try Webos sdk to look at the notifications
Mar 20 19:28:01 <captainigloo> morphis, i don't know it was in the ubuntu webpage :)
Mar 20 19:28:12 <morphis> ok
Mar 20 19:28:23 <captainigloo> items are hard coded
Mar 20 19:28:35 <captainigloo> not readed from the .desktop
Mar 20 19:28:38 <morphis> ok
Mar 20 19:28:43 <morphis> hard coded in elfe?
Mar 20 19:28:55 <captainigloo> just to try the theme
Mar 20 19:29:08 <captainigloo> it's not working
Mar 20 19:29:18 <captainigloo> "waht could be"
Mar 20 19:29:30 <captainigloo> :)
Mar 20 19:29:53 <captainigloo> i was really bluffed by Web os ergonomy
Mar 20 19:30:06 <captainigloo> better than android
Mar 20 19:30:14 <captainigloo> and maybe even that iOS
Mar 20 19:30:32 <captainigloo> but didn't use iOS a lot
Mar 20 19:30:58 <morphis> ok
Mar 20 19:31:05 <morphis> webOS is great
Mar 20 19:31:18 <morphis> it's very simple as most things are provided by std. html
Mar 20 19:34:09 <captainigloo> you like the transpare buttom bar ?
Mar 20 19:34:21 <captainigloo> elfe's buttom bar
Mar 20 19:35:47 <mickeyl> morphis: no, that wasn't written in the instructions...
Mar 20 19:36:07 <mickeyl> oh
Mar 20 19:36:09 <morphis> mickeyl: sorry ...
Mar 20 19:36:15 <mickeyl> either it's new or i didn't see it
Mar 20 19:36:17 <morphis> mickeyl: I wrote it some minutes ago :)
Mar 20 19:36:20 <mickeyl> ah, k
Mar 20 19:36:24 <mickeyl> will retry sometime next week
Mar 20 19:36:25 <morphis> sorry for that
Mar 20 19:36:30 <morphis> damn it ...
Mar 20 19:36:46 <morphis> I hoped you did it yesterday but it was my fault ...
Mar 20 19:36:55 <morphis> captainigloo: yes, I like it
Mar 20 19:36:57 <mickeyl> don't worry, i try to sneak some time early next week
Mar 20 19:37:03 <morphis> ok
Mar 20 19:37:09 <morphis> mickeyl: tell me when you will do it
Mar 20 19:37:13 <mickeyl> will do, thanks
Mar 20 19:37:18 * mickeyl off for the evening
Mar 20 19:37:52 <morphis> mickey|bbl: bye
Mar 20 19:39:55 <morphis> captainigloo: btw. I like webOS very much as I am using the Pre as my daily phone
Mar 20 19:40:19 <morphis> even the possibility to have a menu in the top bar 
Mar 20 19:41:03 <captainigloo> there is a dbus api for that :)
Mar 20 19:43:53 <morphis> captainigloo: in ubuntu?
Mar 20 19:44:04 <morphis> captainigloo: yeah you added the config option for the icon size!
Mar 20 19:44:04 <captainigloo> yes
Mar 20 19:44:07 <morphis> jepp
Mar 20 19:44:20 <morphis> I would even like to have this in the illume quickpanel :)
Mar 20 19:44:30 <captainigloo> morphis, yes but for palm pre resolution you need to change it for 72px
Mar 20 19:44:38 <captainigloo> arg 64px
Mar 20 19:44:44 <captainigloo> it's 72 by default
Mar 20 19:45:12 <captainigloo> and it looks better on 320x480 with 64px
Mar 20 19:45:18 <morphis> ok
Mar 20 19:45:24 <morphis> will test it later
Mar 20 19:45:29 <captainigloo> but for now there is no ui to change that :(
Mar 20 19:45:37 <morphis> no problem
Mar 20 19:45:46 <captainigloo> i'm really not happy with the theme
Mar 20 19:45:53 <morphis> as I think nobody will change it
Mar 20 19:45:55 <morphis> why?
Mar 20 19:46:07 <captainigloo> I really don't like B&W neither gry
Mar 20 19:46:29 <morphis> ah ok
Mar 20 19:46:30 <captainigloo> both are looking ugly on my pc and on my phone
Mar 20 19:46:35 <morphis> the b&w is the problem
Mar 20 19:46:44 <morphis> jepp I even don't like it
Mar 20 19:46:52 <morphis> but it's the best we currently have
Mar 20 19:46:58 <captainigloo> yep i know :(
Mar 20 19:47:09 <captainigloo> Try to work on it, but I can do better ...
Mar 20 19:47:14 <captainigloo> I can't*
Mar 20 19:53:15 <morphis> ok
Mar 20 19:53:24 <morphis> maybe someone will do some nice new theme in the future
Mar 20 20:08:25 <pespin> efenniht theme ftw! :P
Mar 20 20:51:09 <[Rui]> so I Have a chance to get a brand new N900 for 200 €
Mar 20 20:51:29 <[Rui]> or a samsung galaxy s for 195
Mar 20 20:52:22 <[Rui]> the first one I could use for testing stuff for shr port (although I could only use it if calls and sms work), the second one Is not portable?
Mar 20 21:06:02 <[Rui]> urgh for what I see, galaxy s is off the table
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