**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 28 02:59:57 2011 Mar 28 05:41:51 hi, Mar 28 05:42:19 *I've a booting meego kernel, defconfig is not yet complete as I took meego one some stuff are lacking Mar 28 05:42:30 such as ubifs and mtd for instance Mar 28 05:42:39 *uboot args are wrong for that kernel Mar 28 05:42:48 at least the SHR one Mar 28 05:43:06 maybe we should ship a file for booting on microsdd Mar 28 05:43:31 *xorg.conf and fsodeviced.conf need to be changed Mar 28 05:43:46 fsodeviced.conf is for kernel > 2.6.28 Mar 28 05:44:08 *ifconfig wlan0 up isn't issued with fsodeviced Mar 28 05:44:23 *phonefsod doesn't start automatically Mar 28 05:44:46 if I fix the firsts problems, can the last 2 ones be fixed by someone else? Mar 28 05:46:09 cpufreq seem to work Mar 28 06:19:50 gmorning Mar 28 07:45:15 moin Mar 28 07:45:30 GNUtoo|bug20: that phonefsod doesn't start automatically I don't understand Mar 28 07:45:36 it is started by an initscript Mar 28 07:45:43 does it start and then segfault maybe? Mar 28 07:46:19 heyho Mar 28 07:46:21 mickeyl: ping Mar 28 07:47:08 mickeyl: I searched a little bit about PPP in webOS Mar 28 07:47:39 mickeyl: http://pastie.org/1725360 Mar 28 07:56:21 mickeyl: and http://pastie.org/1725383 Mar 28 07:56:55 ah stopp there is some stuff missing Mar 28 07:58:25 mickeyl: this one http://pastie.org/1725387 is more complete Mar 28 08:57:27 mickeyl: ping Mar 28 09:05:18 hy guys Mar 28 09:06:16 i'm trying to develop my first application in shr Mar 28 09:07:15 i've just setted openembedded environment...but there are something that i can't understand Mar 28 09:07:22 n3v3rmind: heyho Mar 28 09:07:32 hi morphis Mar 28 09:08:03 i've to develop an application using FSO...but i'm not so sure how to begin Mar 28 09:08:13 what kind of application? Mar 28 09:08:49 an application which store gps and accelerometer data Mar 28 09:09:01 and send it through usb to an external device Mar 28 09:09:03 with efl? Mar 28 09:09:12 efl? Mar 28 09:09:20 for UI Mar 28 09:09:31 or does the application don't have a UI? Mar 28 09:09:52 what's UI? Mar 28 09:10:28 no it isn't important an interface Mar 28 09:10:39 UI = user interface Mar 28 09:10:42 some printf will be ok! :) Mar 28 09:10:43 ok Mar 28 09:10:53 just important that it works :D Mar 28 09:11:02 you want to write it in plain c or python or vala? Mar 28 09:11:15 in c Mar 28 09:11:28 i've never develop in python or vala Mar 28 09:11:54 ok Mar 28 09:12:09 so you want to use c + glib right? Mar 28 09:12:27 glib include dbus interface right? Mar 28 09:13:07 jepp you need glib to access dbus Mar 28 09:13:31 you ever developed with glib and dbus? Mar 28 09:13:38 no.. Mar 28 09:13:47 ok Mar 28 09:13:59 but i've to done it...for a university project.. Mar 28 09:14:00 then you should really think about using valn Mar 28 09:14:06 vala for your application Mar 28 09:14:11 ok.. Mar 28 09:14:19 as vala simplifies a lot of the dbus handling Mar 28 09:14:51 if you want an example look at zhone2: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=aurora.git;a=summary Mar 28 09:15:04 it uses FSO dbus interfaces in vala and has a UI on top of it Mar 28 09:15:09 you can remove all ui components Mar 28 09:15:18 and then do what every you want Mar 28 09:15:41 but...how can i open that application...? i've to download it with git? Mar 28 09:15:57 jepp Mar 28 09:16:24 for getting gps data you have to use fsotdld which includes a plugin to fake gps data Mar 28 09:16:32 so you can develop on your local desktop Mar 28 09:16:55 just git http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=aurora.git;a=summary Mar 28 09:16:56 ? Mar 28 09:18:07 git clone ... Mar 28 09:18:56 okok..sorry but this is the first time that i use everything.. Mar 28 09:19:41 once that i've downloaded zhone2...how can i compile it? Mar 28 09:20:00 using openembedded i've to create a makefile.. Mar 28 09:20:21 puuuh Mar 28 09:20:33 you can compile it locally Mar 28 09:20:52 you need vala + libfso-glib + some more dependencies Mar 28 09:21:14 clone zhone2, run ./autogen.sh and you will see whats missing Mar 28 09:21:20 ok.. Mar 28 09:21:45 hm we really need an SDK Mar 28 09:21:51 configure: error: Vala 0.9.11.1 not found. Mar 28 09:22:00 maybe you should better use python if you don't know anything about development Mar 28 09:22:07 you need to install vala Mar 28 09:22:08 luckly only one error :) Mar 28 09:22:27 there will be more if you solved that one ... Mar 28 09:22:32 i don't know anything in this environent Mar 28 09:22:40 :D Mar 28 09:22:41 ok! Mar 28 09:23:54 there are much infos about development with python in the openmoko wiki Mar 28 09:24:18 ok.. Mar 28 09:27:14 some tutorial about vala and dbus? Mar 28 09:33:48 look at the vala homepage Mar 28 09:33:52 there are some tutorials Mar 28 09:43:02 mickey|office: ping Mar 28 09:50:08 okok..thank you very much Mar 28 09:51:24 no problem Mar 28 11:00:54 hi there Mar 28 11:19:20 does anyone know if is possible to use the n900 with host mode with SHR or other systems? Mar 28 11:20:05 mazdok: why not? Mar 28 11:20:18 mazdok: what exactly is your question? Mar 28 11:20:19 because is not so simple.. Mar 28 11:20:26 mazdok: you tell me that ;) Mar 28 11:20:30 :D Mar 28 11:20:46 I'm trying to use the nokia n900 with the kinect Mar 28 11:21:08 I modified the maemo kernel Mar 28 11:21:11 and make it work Mar 28 11:21:23 mazdok: maemo or power-kernel? Mar 28 11:21:26 but I have a lot of packet loss and packet corruption Mar 28 11:21:29 power-kernel Mar 28 11:22:00 I saw that there is a new musb patch Mar 28 11:22:09 mazdok: for upstream kernel? Mar 28 11:22:14 yep Mar 28 11:22:20 I was trying to make a backport Mar 28 11:22:24 but it's a mess :P Mar 28 11:22:49 so I was wondering if there is some other option Mar 28 11:23:09 because meego doesn't support (at present) usb host mode for the n900 Mar 28 11:24:06 mazdok: can you supply me with a pointer to the "new" patch? Mar 28 11:24:23 yep Mar 28 11:24:25 wait a sec Mar 28 11:24:44 PaulFertser, http://arago-project.org/git/people/?p=sriram/ti-psp-omap.git;a=commitdiff;h=d516a8b2de9d04d32850f29020635f4f65e3695e#patch1 Mar 28 11:26:00 mazdok: i see. Do you have problems porting the forced hostmode patch to upstream kernel? I can try to help with that. Mar 28 11:27:57 cool Mar 28 11:28:00 yep Mar 28 11:28:04 PaulFertser: that would be interesting for us too :-) Mar 28 11:28:33 mrmoku: of course :) Mar 28 11:28:34 I have patched the powerkernel with this patch: Mar 28 11:29:48 I'm googling... Mar 28 11:30:03 mazdok: powerkernel has hostmode patch since long. Mar 28 11:30:10 So no need to patch it. Mar 28 11:30:13 yes yes Mar 28 11:30:26 but powerkernel hasn't the high usb support Mar 28 11:30:50 and even with that patch the kinect didn't work because you need two high bandwidth endpoints Mar 28 11:30:57 so I create another patch Mar 28 11:31:07 and with that the kinect starts Mar 28 11:31:10 and works Mar 28 11:31:18 wait, works is a big word :P Mar 28 11:32:11 mazdok: ok, can you try grabbing upstream kernel and adding full hostmode support there? You'll have my full support. Mar 28 11:33:38 the big problem is that the n900 (maemo) doesn't work with upstream kernels Mar 28 11:34:07 mazdok: yes, but musb driver is shit, and old maemo kernel is shit, and maemo itself is shit... Mar 28 11:34:34 I know Mar 28 11:34:53 so what are you suggesting to use with the n900? meego? Mar 28 11:35:01 mazdok: either that, or shr. Mar 28 11:35:17 mazdok: with upstream kernel you won't get telephony or powersaving anyway. Mar 28 11:35:29 mazdok: though telephony will probably be implemented soon... Mar 28 11:35:43 I don't need telephony Mar 28 11:35:53 power saving maybe it's more interesting Mar 28 11:36:21 any plan to port the powersaving features in meego/shr? Mar 28 11:37:42 mazdok: up to the smart OMAP guys i think. I have no clue how the fuck it happened upstream still lacks proper DVFS (?) and such. Mar 28 11:37:56 got it Mar 28 11:37:57 mrmoku: any idea? Mar 28 11:39:34 PaulFertser, do you know what's the latest kernel for SHR? Mar 28 11:40:32 mazdok: 2.6.37 i think Mar 28 11:41:13 PaulFertser, uhm ok, let me check one thing Mar 28 11:43:34 yup 2.6.37 from fso repo, but that's not yet in OE (there is 2.6.35) Mar 28 11:44:25 I was thinking that maybe it's better to use Meego in this case (no offence) Mar 28 11:45:00 just because seems the Meego support seems better Mar 28 11:45:06 for the n900 Mar 28 11:50:42 mazdok: the kernels are almost the same afaik. Mar 28 11:51:08 uhm ok Mar 28 11:51:41 PaulFertser, is there a crossCompiler for SHR? Mar 28 11:52:53 mazdok: it's part of the OE. Mar 28 11:53:03 mazdok: there're also some toolchains generated from OE. Mar 28 11:53:03 PaulFertser, k Mar 28 11:53:22 mazdok: anyway, you can compile the kernel with almost any arm gcc version. Mar 28 11:53:27 PaulFertser, the good thing of maemo was scratchbox Mar 28 11:53:36 mazdok, PaulFertser: the latest kernel GNUtoo|bug20 is working on has power saving Mar 28 11:53:37 mazdok: no, it wasn't! Mar 28 11:53:45 PaulFertser, why not? Mar 28 11:53:56 PaulFertser, it is simple to compile with it Mar 28 11:54:07 mrmoku, cool Mar 28 11:54:38 mazdok: only for rather simple cases. And then it gets incredibly complicated once you need to do something non-trivial. No wonder Mer and Meego never used it. Mar 28 11:54:54 Neither did any other distro. Mar 28 11:55:02 yep Mar 28 11:58:52 thx for the info Mar 28 11:58:57 I'm going to lunch Mar 28 11:58:59 see you Mar 28 12:00:36 mazdok: enjoy your meal Mar 28 12:01:22 meal is actually a good idea Mar 28 12:01:46 * mrmoku already had meal :-) Mar 28 12:01:50 * PaulFertser too Mar 28 12:02:02 mickey|office: hi there, what's up Mar 28 12:02:28 PaulFertser, cheers Mar 28 12:02:30 PaulFertser: feeling wrecked. played squash yesterday after 2 months break... my bones are aching a lot Mar 28 12:02:51 PaulFertser: palm pre is annoying a bit atm.... doesn't want to establish a ppp connection Mar 28 12:03:07 n900 is waiting for some more info wrt. the libnl situation Mar 28 12:03:52 mickey|office: i remember that libnl1 is fine but libnl2 sucks situation. Mar 28 12:04:14 mickey|office: but i thought that with upstream kernel and phonet-utils you do not need any NL code in gisi at all. Mar 28 12:08:50 i don't know, i just know that for some reason things don't work with libnl2 only on an image, but they work with a mixed libnl1/libnl2 image Mar 28 12:08:57 bbiab, lunch Mar 28 12:09:20 pespin: hey, how was your presentation? Mar 28 12:09:55 mrmoku, lol a disaster, because nobody came :P Mar 28 12:10:27 mrmoku, most people there were windows gamers which were not interested at all Mar 28 12:10:55 and the conferences organizations was really bad Mar 28 12:11:32 pespin: ouch :/ Mar 28 12:12:49 mrmoku, there was no advertising of conferences at all Mar 28 12:13:36 all I saw was a DINA4 paper in the entrance table which had a timetable with the conferences, and the room of each one written in pen Mar 28 12:13:57 but well, at least I got some free food&drink and a t-shirt hehe Mar 28 12:14:42 I've been told that conferences in general didn't have any success Mar 28 12:38:12 sorry I was away Mar 28 12:38:27 so what's the order? Mar 28 12:38:34 1)push fsodeviced config Mar 28 12:38:43 2)push kernel and xorg.conf Mar 28 12:38:59 and change kenrel in machine config Mar 28 12:39:17 since we don't want udev Mar 28 12:39:24 how do we handle stuff that udev doesn' Mar 28 12:39:27 t handle? Mar 28 12:39:54 http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/ImageDevManager Mar 28 12:54:54 we fix it Mar 28 12:55:24 e.g the cmt nodes I'd see fsogsmd's lowlevel plugin as a good place to create them, if missing Mar 28 12:55:38 the input nodes... who needs 'em? Mar 28 13:14:06 ok Mar 28 13:14:25 xorg.conf likes the input nodes Mar 28 13:15:33 should I push in a branch on SHR my initial work Mar 28 13:15:34 ? Mar 28 13:15:50 because kernel defconfig is not complete yet Mar 28 13:16:07 or should I push to oe and we increment PR with new defconfig Mar 28 13:16:08 ? Mar 28 13:16:29 we also need uboot changes Mar 28 13:17:23 /dev/mmcbl1p1 -> /dev/mmcblk0p1 Mar 28 13:17:52 altough it's more intelligent to put the microsd at mmcblk1p1 Mar 28 13:18:09 because else there are some issues Mar 28 13:18:27 0p0 -> first device, always there if mmc Mar 28 13:18:35 oops Mar 28 13:18:51 0p0 -> first device, always there if eMMC aka ONENAND Mar 28 13:19:13 1p1 -> only appear when there is a microsd Mar 28 13:19:20 that is how it should be done Mar 28 13:19:23 but currently Mar 28 13:19:28 it's the contrary Mar 28 13:19:44 meaning that 0p1 can be or eMMC or microsd Mar 28 13:19:59 but most people boot on microsd.... Mar 28 13:20:03 I don't tough Mar 28 13:43:22 GNUtoo|bug20: slim recipe is still wrong wrt DEPEND_S_ and RDEPEND_S_ Mar 28 13:43:48 ? Mar 28 13:44:01 GRRR GRRR GRRR GRRR GRRR against n900 battery charging Mar 28 13:44:20 GNUtoo|bug20: missing S Mar 28 13:44:41 ah ok Mar 28 13:44:45 could you fix it? Mar 28 13:44:59 I can't fix it before tomorrow Mar 28 13:46:28 I can change it later tonight.. but no plans to test it on device.. Mar 28 13:46:51 I can test it Mar 28 13:46:55 and I already did Mar 28 15:01:22 GNUtoo|bug20: what's the prob with bat charging? Mar 28 15:05:45 no idea Mar 28 15:05:55 fsodeviced didn't start the charging of the battery Mar 28 15:06:00 no 0x10 in fsogsmd.log Mar 28 15:17:45 GNUtoo|bug20: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 Mar 28 15:18:10 I know that patch Mar 28 15:18:19 I'll try to fix Mar 28 15:19:55 try means if time permits Mar 28 17:14:38 morphis... Mar 28 17:54:31 mickeyl: hey, you've got two pirates in town :-) Mar 28 17:55:16 yeah Mar 28 17:55:20 that's quite amazing Mar 28 17:55:32 hopefully it's a trend Mar 28 17:55:39 yeah, hopefully :) Mar 28 18:39:55 hello guys. I am having an issue building shr on libtool-cross recipe.. I think this is usual.. but can't found how to solve it as the bug repport is wrong (" No such file or directory" but the specified file is present..) Mar 28 18:40:25 so I thing I have a cleanning task to do but don't know which one Mar 28 19:00:14 heyho Mar 28 19:00:20 mickey|bbl: ping Mar 28 19:01:25 morphis: hi! Mar 28 19:01:32 GarthPS: heyho Mar 28 19:01:49 morphis: what's up ? Mar 28 19:12:18 hi mrmoku Mar 28 19:12:34 hi GNUtoo|bug20 Mar 28 19:12:50 what should I do between: Mar 28 19:13:04 *push the current n900 kernel patch to SHR's oe repo Mar 28 19:13:08 *push to oe as is Mar 28 19:13:14 *wait for pushing Mar 28 19:13:40 GNUtoo|bug20: push to oe directly and enable only for SHR? Mar 28 19:13:51 hmmm not an option Mar 28 19:14:00 why not? Mar 28 19:14:06 more work Mar 28 19:14:10 and that would diff Mar 28 19:14:14 between shr and oe Mar 28 19:14:19 s/oe/angstrom/ Mar 28 19:14:20 GNUtoo|bug20 meant: between shr and angstrom Mar 28 19:14:48 basically it's xorg.conf and kernel recipe Mar 28 19:14:50 and such things Mar 28 19:15:33 oe-core + shr-layer does not work yet, right? Mar 28 19:19:05 I don't thikn so Mar 28 19:19:12 last time I checked it didn't Mar 28 19:21:41 basically I've a rather simpe question that would solve the dylema Mar 28 19:21:46 if I post somewhere Mar 28 19:21:59 will someone look at it and help on improving the defconfig? Mar 28 19:26:45 GNUtoo|bug20: how is the libnl(2) status right now? Mar 28 19:26:55 no idea Mar 28 19:27:03 if you are talking about modem Mar 28 19:27:12 I think we should statically link to libnl1 Mar 28 19:27:22 the status in oe: Mar 28 19:27:34 libnl1 and libnl2 are in reality: Mar 28 19:27:46 libnl-1.0 and libnl-2.0 or something like that Mar 28 19:27:48 they conflict Mar 28 19:27:57 and so the distro has to choose between both Mar 28 19:27:58 but... Mar 28 19:28:09 I think libnl1 can be statically linked Mar 28 19:28:18 yeah I followed parts of the discussion Mar 28 19:28:25 koen needs it for angstrom Mar 28 19:28:36 so we could do the same if that helps Mar 28 19:28:42 at least until that is sorted out Mar 28 19:29:10 hmm Mar 28 19:29:27 GNUtoo|bug20: if you post your stuff I will build a fresh image and try that Mar 28 19:30:51 ok I'll post to shr oe repo Mar 28 19:30:56 then we will work on it Mar 28 19:30:56 ok Mar 28 19:30:58 and push to oe Mar 28 19:31:02 good Mar 28 19:31:12 let me finish some buglabs wiki correction Mar 28 19:31:17 and I'll do it Mar 28 19:33:30 yeah, no hurry... I will build it tomorrow anyway Mar 28 19:34:12 ok **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 29 02:59:57 2011